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Fantastic Four Breakdown: Family Feels, Galactus & Full Spoilers | Streamin’ Demons
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Jo & Amelie break down Fantastic Four: First Steps—family sacrifice, cosmic chaos & what the trailers didn’t tell you. Spoilers ahead, you’ve been warned!
Key Moments
- Opening chaos – Jo sets the tone with a salty welcome and love for the theater experience
- Motherhood truth bomb – Amelie shares emotional insight on Sue’s pregnancy and watching her own pregnancy struggle echoed on screen
- Behind‑the‑scenes joke – Jo’s “Uncle Ben/Aunt 'Not from Spiderman'” Halloween costume tale—wild, cringe, unforgettable
- Character breakdown – Jo and Amelie analyze how Johnny, Reed, and the writing/directing choices impact dynamics
- Why it matters – & Doomsday plug – We argue the whole film felt like a long commercial for Doomsday, less about Fantastic Four, more about future set‑up
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Transcript
Intro
00:00:06
Jo
yeah Oh, hey. Hey, kids. Hey, everyone. Joe here and Amelie all the way saying, welcome to our very spoilerific Fantastic Four. That's right. We did Superman the other day, and now we're doing Fantastic Four. Today's.
00:00:20
Jo
Like and subscribe. It does help out. yeah You know, she has a microphone, two turntables and a microphone. Almost makes her DJ whoop because she's sexy and she knows it.
00:00:31
Jo
Amelie, how are you?
00:00:33
Amelie
I'm fine, thank you, Eniu.
00:00:34
Jo
Liar. Fucking liar.
00:00:35
Amelie
Yeah, it's true, it was shit.
00:00:36
Jo
Sorry, you effing liar.
00:00:39
Amelie
I'm a liar. Last week was horrible. Like it was just one and one and one and one and one.
00:00:42
Jo
That's okay.
00:00:45
Amelie
But it's OK. We have cinema.
00:00:46
Jo
There you go.
00:00:47
Amelie
So all is good.
00:00:48
Jo
We went to the cinemas, sort of, or wherever you went to, and you're wearing a Humanities That Play t-shirt.
00:00:50
Amelie
Yeah.
00:00:54
Amelie
Yeah.
00:00:54
Jo
Hello, college, LaSalle, happening. Hello, hello, Richard and Dominique.
00:01:01
Amelie
Amazing t-shirts. Amazing t-shirts. Amazing textile.
00:01:05
Jo
Yeah.
00:01:06
Amelie
Perfect over perfect over perfect.
00:01:06
Jo
Honestly, God. And I'm not sure if you stole that from me or if I gave it to you.
00:01:12
Amelie
You gave it to me.
00:01:13
Jo
ah ah did Did I? Did I give it to you by you packing it into your suitcase and leaving?
00:01:19
Jo
Possibly.
00:01:19
Amelie
you do but
00:01:20
Jo
I think I had it in Giant Cotton, right? We went to Giant Cotton and I think I had, maybe, you know what? Maybe I did bring you that one. Maybe. I'm guessing, yeah. Yes, I probably did. Sounds like something I would
00:01:31
Amelie
It was not Jane Conn, it was Prague. You came and you're like, here's a t-shirt, catch it.
00:01:34
Jo
do.
00:01:36
Amelie
And I catched it and here we are, I've got it.
00:01:40
Jo
Oh my God. it was Prague. I thought I gave you Oxford or Prague. No?
00:01:44
Amelie
No.
00:01:44
Jo
England.
00:01:45
Amelie
London.
00:01:46
Jo
London. Oh my God. Okay.
00:01:48
Amelie
Every time you see me, you're like, yeah, you need a t-shirt and you get a t-shirt.
00:01:51
Jo
Every time I see you, I give you more my stuff.
00:01:51
Amelie
At the point, I have, I think i have one, two, three, four, five, six, six, seven, have seven t-shirts from you.
00:02:03
Amelie
Seven t-shirts.
00:02:04
Jo
Yeah. All for me?
00:02:06
Amelie
Yeah.
00:02:07
Jo
I'm your entire wardrobe. I love it.
00:02:08
Amelie
Yes. Yes, you are.
00:02:09
Jo
Minus Ninja Turtles. Ninja Turtles was yours before. Pretty sure.
00:02:12
Amelie
yes correct.
00:02:14
Jo
Although can get Kevin to sign that, probably. All right. So welcome to Streaming Demons. Today we're talking about all Fantastic Four. The First Steps. It's live in the theater. Go see it.
00:02:27
Jo
I won't say the other words, you can how you can see it. But we all know other ways you can see it. But go to the theater. It's supporting people and supporting movies so they can make more movies like this. I think this goes back to the DC-Superman, Superman, well, the DC-Marvel rival, where DC would have almost some momentum going back, and then Marvel's like, oh, yeah, here's Avengers Endgame.
00:02:51
Jo
And DC's like, oh, crap, like, what? We had the number one movie for, like, a day? That's it? And now, super they again, it was Superman, boom, and then, yeah, here's Fantastic Four.
00:03:02
Jo
Bam! And, lo and behold, Fantastic Four is the number one movie. In the box office in the US. I should probably frame it better that way. So we are going to spoil it today.
00:03:15
Jo
If you have not seen Fantastic Four First Steps, please go out and see it and then come back. If you've seen it, welcome to our Grape Fest. Starring and Joe Anomaly.
00:03:26
Jo
Because we are comic book nerds, even though only one looks like it.
00:03:32
Amelie
Oh, really?
00:03:32
Jo
You do not look like a comic book nerd.
00:03:33
Jo
Shut up.
00:03:34
Amelie
Really? With all the t-shirts, with all the mannerism and everything?
00:03:37
Jo
Take away the the t-shirts and stuff. No, don't. That's a different show. But I know. I know you are a comic book nerd. I know you are. but It's what we bonded on for 20 years. I don't know, 30 years? How? ah Whatever.
00:03:53
Jo
couple years. At least double digits. At least double digits, right?
00:03:57
Amelie
Yeah. So you think there is a look, there is a physique linked to liking Superman, Batman, this kind of thing?
00:04:10
Jo
I fell into the trap. I fell into my own trap.
00:04:13
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, you did.
00:04:14
Jo
Okay, full disclosure. I was at Gen Con before COVID, like 218, 217, whatever it was. and i was... I was walking with someone.
00:04:26
Jo
And I saw this kid. And he must have been 16, 17. And remarkably good-looking. and he was remarkably good looking he he looked like... have
00:04:37
Jo
I got this one wrong, by the way. The guy I was thinking of in Superman played Beast. Thank you very much, Charlotte, for correcting my butt. Not Cyclops. But he looked like the guy who played Cyclops in the original X-Men movies.
00:04:52
Jo
Like, the very chiseled, very clean. And I was like, kid, run away. You can do so much better right now. So i was like I was being very stereotypical. I was being egocentric. I don't know. I was being an a-hole.
00:05:08
Jo
I didn't say that to him. i'm like, oh my God, kid, run away. You can you can you can you can be you can be popular. Go be popular. Be popular. Go, go, go, go. So yeah, guilty as charged. Maybe because when i grew up, there was that stigma.
00:05:20
Jo
Like comic book people looked a certain way. We were not the cool kids. Nerd was not a good word. Nerd is kind of like a really weird reappropriated word now.
00:05:32
Jo
When I grew up, my mom to, she doesn't listen to this anyways. can about this. My mom did call me a nerd, not in a good way, in a way that she meant to hurt.
00:05:43
Jo
So that's when Gen X, like nerd was not it. And then Gen X, all of us people who like comic books and Gen X, we became the successful ones. Who knew?
00:05:54
Jo
Who effing knew? Be nice to people.
00:05:57
Amelie
I think it's because of the new media, you know, internet and PlayStation and everything changed.
00:06:02
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:05
Amelie
Like the people who use the internet were real nerds or mathematicians or people who were coding, etc. Nobody is. Everybody code. Everybody builds their own computer. It's the next generation, right?
00:06:19
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:19
Amelie
and It's really interesting to see what used to be cool and what is not cool anymore.
00:06:26
Jo
True.
00:06:26
Amelie
But
00:06:29
Amelie
they There is still, um i've it's really interesting to see.
00:06:36
Jo
You think there's still a stigma to being a comic book fan?
00:06:40
Jo
ah do people see Do people see you differently when you say you like Dungeons & Dragons, for example?
00:06:46
Amelie
Yes. Yes, yes, yes.
00:06:48
Jo
How so?
00:06:49
Amelie
Yes, yes. Oh, that's cute. Oh, that's really cute. She likes Dungeons and Dragons. She likes Superman and stuff. You know, that's that's really cute. That's like people who have autism, like Dungeons & Dragons and who are really, really, really nerdy about Batman, Superman and and stuff like that.
00:07:09
Jo
Yeah.
00:07:10
Amelie
That's cute. you play Lego, Amelie. Oh, la, la. When you're in high school and you say, oh, i love playing Lego, there is a big...
00:07:18
Amelie
big moon, you know, the moon from Star Wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The moon from Star Wars. It cost a lot, you know. I would love to have that thing in Lego and stuff.
00:07:18
Jo
Like...
00:07:26
Jo
Death Star, yeah.
00:07:30
Amelie
It was not as cold as nowadays you have adult Lego, you know, the beautiful flowers, the cathedral, this kind of thing, you know. Now it's very in in France to buy a cathedral or your such and such, yeah, you know, flowers.
00:07:40
Jo
Right. I'm placing together.
00:07:45
Amelie
It's very artistic aesthetic and stuff. When you're in high school and you say, I love playing with Lego and i like to play Dungeons and Dragons.
00:07:53
Jo
like How does glue taste?
00:07:55
Amelie
Yeah, limit.
00:07:56
Jo
you know It's one of those things.
00:07:56
Amelie
like Oh, that's cute.
00:07:57
Jo
It's Ralph William. Yeah.
00:08:00
Amelie
She's cute. girl now mindy She's girl, She's a nice girl, Amelie. Amelie, she's a nice girl. What do you think about Amelie?
00:08:05
Jo
Yeah.
00:08:06
Amelie
Oh, Amelie, she likes Dolce & Gwyneth Dragon and she reads Bilbo, Little Beat. Oh, that's so cute. And she's really into Superman and Flash and stuff. Oh, that's so cute.
00:08:17
Amelie
She's really smart and she's really smart, but smart is bad, you know.
00:08:19
Jo
Yeah. yeah
00:08:21
Amelie
Like, smart is bad.
00:08:22
Jo
if If you're a woman, smart's bad. If you're if you're a guy, well, okay. A certain level of smartness is bad, too, because you you don't want to flaunt. I think, at least for Gen X, and maybe it's just Gen X, because you're more late millennial.
00:08:39
Jo
For Gen X, you couldn't flaunt anything. So our our egos are a bit weird. you know, and because if you flaunt, you you're... You're showing out in the crowd and that crowd will stomp you down.
00:08:54
Amelie
Yeah, like you can't be you can't be a straight A or...
00:08:54
Jo
That crowd is just built to stomp you. You can't.
00:08:58
Amelie
oh i was i was a kind of girl in high school who was friend with the straight A kids, basically.
00:08:59
Jo
You cannot.
00:09:04
Amelie
Like we were all very intelligent. I was intelligent because I was speaking English very well and German very well. And I was speaking French very well.
00:09:04
Jo
Yeah.
00:09:11
Amelie
I was really good in oral, in speech.
00:09:11
Jo
doctor Well, you were in France.
00:09:15
Jo
You were in France.
00:09:15
Amelie
and No, no, no, no, no.
00:09:16
Jo
You should be speaking French very well.
00:09:17
Amelie
na na na no I came from north of France. People in north of France speak ch'ti.
00:09:21
Jo
oh
00:09:23
Amelie
So it sounds like Quebec, old French.
00:09:23
Jo
the
00:09:26
Jo
yeah
00:09:26
Amelie
They don't speak French like I do. I can speak French ch'ti and people from Quebec can understand me, for example. But it's a very old patois. And people in my hometown, they don't speak French French. They speak like this. They have a very strong accent. And I don't. so I'm able to speak French like a Parisian, for example.
00:09:45
Amelie
I'm really, really witty and smart in the way.
00:09:46
Jo
Don't put yourself down. You're not Parisian. That's okay. so You don't have to put yourself down. You are, you're far lovely. Don't worry.
00:09:54
Amelie
ha
00:09:54
Jo
So when you're, eye high on I know, I have to stick it once and all. So when you are growing up, did you read, i know you're into a Superman and Flash and one, did you read Fantastic Four comics?
00:10:09
Amelie
but but I know about them.
00:10:13
Jo
Okay.
00:10:14
Amelie
as They were pretty famous in early 2000. And they were apparently a cartoon.
00:10:20
Jo
yeah Yeah, the cartoon, I think my generation grew up with the cartoon.
00:10:20
Amelie
the French people was watching.
00:10:25
Amelie
So my parents knew the phone Fantastic Four.
00:10:25
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:26
Jo
Cool.
00:10:28
Amelie
it came out in 2005. I watched the movie. I liked it. I was like really liking the movie. It was interesting. And yeah, they known, but more by the boomers and the Gen X, the early Gen X.
00:10:45
Jo
Yeah, because we get things... Fantastic Four was probably never as popular with my generation as the Avengers were, but then Avengers kept going West Coast Avengers, East Coast Avengers, like, oh, whatever.
00:10:58
Jo
And then Fantastic Four, you can focus on because there's only that many. There's just that many. And everyone had an aspect you could identify with.
00:11:10
Jo
And then later on, the Onslaught saga kind of like really hypes up Fantastic Four. Secret Wars would hype up Fantastic Wars. All these things that kind of go together. And the one thing Fantastic Four movies or comics did have a little bit of Galactus.
00:11:26
Jo
But you know what? It wasn't the only thing playing. Galactus wasn't in every issue, believe or not. Okay, it wasn't Secret Wars. But he wasn't in every issue of Fantastic Four. However, if you watch the movies, that's all you see.
00:11:38
Jo
This is Uncle Ben dying over and over and over again on the Spider-Man films. Because every time, like, let's reboot Fantastic Four, they kind of forget that we already know who they are.
00:11:51
Jo
And we don't need to see Galactus one more time. Let's see someone else. let's Let's see another villain. entirely new to Fantastic Four franchise or from the comics like deep dive. There's the years of this stuff.
00:12:07
Jo
So when you say you liked the 2005, that's the Chris Evans movie, right? That Jessica Alba?
00:12:14
Amelie
Yeah, with Jessica Alba, I liked how Jessica Alba portrayed the hero.
00:12:19
Jo
Invisible Woman? Sue Storm? Yeah.
00:12:20
Amelie
I find the guy who can turn into flame very funny. He was an excellent character.
00:12:28
Jo
Yes, he was Captain America.
00:12:28
Amelie
and and i love I love the scientist. So during the critique of the movie, I'm going to go back to 2005
00:12:37
Jo
F you, Grim. Yeah.
00:12:40
Amelie
two thousand and five movie
00:12:43
Jo
yeah
00:12:43
Amelie
and gave my point of view about how the actor played the different character, because I was very excited for this movie. Why was very excited with this movie?
00:12:57
Amelie
Because instead of being in the modern world, like nowadays, they take everything in the 60s, but it's completely the new movie.
00:13:05
Jo
You talk about the new one. So yeah, that's in 2005, the new one. Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:08
Amelie
Yes. The new ones, they take everything in the 60s, but it's a different universe. When the 60s is futuristic, you know, like the Jets, I really like that.
00:13:16
Jo
yeah
00:13:19
Amelie
And it's really, really comic book orientated. Like it's not perfectly done.
00:13:25
Jo
yeah
00:13:25
Amelie
It's... It's comic, there is a robot and it's very clean. And really liked the selection of actors with Joseph Quinn.
00:13:36
Amelie
I was very excited to see Joseph Quinn, right?
00:13:39
Jo
I know and and you texted me like you didn't know I'm like I don't really watch Stranger Things so no I don't know who Joseph Quinn is
00:13:47
Amelie
So for those who don't i don't know who is Joseph Quinn, Joseph Quinn is the guy from Hellfire.
00:13:55
Jo
Hellfire Club
00:13:56
Amelie
from Stranger Things.
00:13:58
Jo
Stranger Things. Yeah. And the guy who plays guitar, i I didn't know he was the guy that played guitar.
00:14:01
Amelie
Yeah, yes.
00:14:03
Jo
I'm like, the only thing I know about Stranger Things with the first season was great. The other 12 kind of suck. And the only thing I remember about the other 12 is the dude playing Metallica on top of the bus.
00:14:13
Amelie
Yeah, master of puppets.
00:14:14
Jo
That's the only thing I remember. And it turned out to be Joseph Quinn.
00:14:16
Amelie
Master, master, da da da da, you don't care.
00:14:17
Jo
But I didn't know because, again, exactly. like I wouldn't care.
00:14:22
Amelie
Well, I care because he's a new guy. He's very cute. He's a millennial and he's very humble.
00:14:30
Jo
Why
00:14:32
Amelie
And whenever he goes to Comic Con, he takes the time to say hello to everyone.
00:14:38
Jo
yeah why are you looking at me when you say that?
00:14:38
Amelie
He's not an arrogant bitch because sometimes you can meet some arrogant bitch, right? He will be very happy to have conversation with you and i'd be paid for an autograph and signature.
00:14:50
Amelie
Wink, wink. And he has an excellent reputation. He's an excellent actor. He's been working for years now. He did a lot of TV drama. He is well known for the guitar riff he made ah during Stranger Things.
00:15:03
Jo
Yes. Very well known for that.
00:15:05
Amelie
But during his is his interview, he's got an excellent reputation. And when I realized he was playing in the Fantastic Four, knowing he's a geek himself and everything, and he's an excellent actor, I was like, ha, ha, ha, very excited to see his work.
00:15:21
Amelie
Hey!
00:15:23
Jo
Yeah, I was worried. I was worried because we all kind of know Pedro. We know of Pedro Pascal. I'm like, wow, does Pedro Pascal like survive any of the films he's in? Because he's not Game of Thrones. That's that's for sure, son.
00:15:38
Jo
And then if you watched Bear, which somehow gets labeled as a comedy, Eben Moss Burkarch. I'm going to your name wrong. so sorry, dude.
00:15:50
Jo
like He's in that one. And then, of course, we have Natasha Lyonne, who has been in everything and in small bits. And she does really well, although she's not blind. I thought Grimm's girlfriend was blind in the comic books. Maybe I'm mismarmoring things.
00:16:05
Jo
um know. We see things and and there's some aspects that I thought might fall flat with you because you are from the France.
00:16:16
Jo
Like the 60s, I was worried about the 60s.
00:16:18
Amelie
Yes.
00:16:18
Jo
I was. I was worried about the 60s for you because there were a lot of the weird inside jokists that Americans would get who are a certain generation because we grew up that TV, like the the ABC News with the guy who used to play in Sherlock as Minecraft, not Sherlock.
00:16:32
Amelie
and
00:16:37
Jo
mark o you know I thought like maybe you missed that part or maybe you wouldn't under you know maybe you wouldn't get culturally this, but you were looking forward to that stuff.
00:16:46
Amelie
Yes. yes yes Yes, yes, yes, yes, definitely.
00:16:49
Jo
Weird. Weird.
00:16:51
Amelie
Yeah, because it's really interesting the way it's done.
00:16:51
Jo
Yeah. Yes.
00:16:55
Amelie
The aesthetic is different.
00:16:57
Jo
yes Yeah.
00:16:57
Amelie
They're from the 60s. And I would love to see, for example, the Superman during the 30s with the old car and the thing really retro. You see what I mean?
00:17:08
Amelie
Because when you think about the origin of Superman and Wonder Woman, Well, Wonder Woman had the haircut from the 30s, you know, and Superman was creating in the 30s before the Second World War.
00:17:22
Amelie
And I really like the idea of, okay, we have the Fantastic Four. We are going to take them back in a different universe. We're going to take a white page. They're in the 60s, but it's futuristic like the Jets.
00:17:32
Jo
Yeah. Right.
00:17:33
Amelie
We can rewrite the story. And whenever I would watch it, I was like, yeah, that's good. We have a universe and it's really lovely and There is a little bit of wink wink. So you can watch the movie and then hop online, try to understand what's going on.
00:17:48
Amelie
Oh, maybe it's because it's related to a show or a serial or leitmotifs they used to have.
00:17:52
Jo
right
00:17:54
Amelie
And it's really interesting because it's an homage to the origin of the story. Right?
00:18:01
Jo
And they did it correctly.
00:18:01
Amelie
I like it.
00:18:03
Jo
Yeah, it's weird because I gave the movie some crap about having Galactus being the bad guy again.
00:18:08
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:18:09
Jo
The Silver Surfer again. But they didn't redo the origin story 12,000 times. They actually skip over it. They do it in ah in in a very clever way of doing exposition that it feels like you're watching a TV show instead of actually having it shoved down your throat as a movie.
00:18:29
Jo
And that saved a lot of the movie.
00:18:29
Amelie
Yes.
00:18:31
Jo
Although the movies spent like 45 minutes doing the origin story again and again and again and again. Like, oh my God, surely they went to space, cosmic rays, we get it, let's move on. And that's all they do. In this film, they're like, they went to space, cosmic rays, we get it, move on.
00:18:46
Jo
And you see the aftermath of Reed Richards trying to grasp if he should have. We see him being a character then with doubts. Reed Richards, the smartest man on earth,
00:18:59
Jo
and this one at least, has doubts because like I should have seen the cast movies. It's just avoidable. And I'm so sorry to Ben Grimm, you know, and you see them as a thing. And all these things.
00:19:11
Jo
They are fleshed out characters where I think the previous movies were character churrs. Although I think you're right, Chris Evans did a great job as Johnny Storm in the first one.
00:19:24
Jo
but But he's now forever Captain America. You know, ah ah fantastic job on that one. And you you see them growing as people during the movie. And I think that's one of the things that worked in this movie. You see character growth.
00:19:40
Amelie
Yeah, and the interesting thing is when they present the movie, they're like, okay, they're known, they have a reputation, blah, blah, blah. We don't need to present them.
00:19:48
Amelie
This is it, the character.
00:19:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:19:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:19:49
Amelie
However, there is a change in a sense of space and time, which is great. I like it. It's it's like really, really cool to see the good old time you know in the 60s. It's happy, happy, colorful.
00:20:02
Amelie
And it's very retro. And I really like the design. And me, when I go to the cinema, I want to go somewhere where I forget all my problems. I want my favorite popcorn.
00:20:13
Amelie
I want to be sit alone. I don't want to be a mother. I don't want to be responsible.
00:20:17
Jo
yeah
00:20:17
Amelie
i want just to pew, be in this world. So being in that kind of world, perfect, amazing, great. Number two, excellent cast of actors, like very well-known, right?
00:20:26
Jo
Yeah, they're all talented.
00:20:28
Amelie
Petro...
00:20:29
Jo
They'll do well.
00:20:30
Amelie
Joseph Quinn, etc. Like, haha, very excited. And the storyline, she's pregnant.
00:20:37
Jo
Yeah, they they bring in Franklin Richards quick. Usually Franklin, that they'll build into it, but i don't think any of the movies in their franchise, are the Fantastic Four rebooting, never lasted a long long enough to bring Franklin into it.
00:20:53
Jo
And so you you see the humanity of it because Reed Richards is a worried parent. Am I passing on a gene to my kid that's going to mess him up?
00:21:07
Jo
He's worried about that. And he he focuses on trying to build something to see if he's doing this. And a lot of this is a family drama.
00:21:18
Jo
Some of it's found family, like... Ben is not an actual member of the biological family, but he he is kind of like the the uncle.
00:21:31
Jo
A different Uncle Ben.
00:21:32
Amelie
Yeah.
00:21:36
Jo
I won't tell that story.
00:21:36
Amelie
You're going to get canceled. You're going to get canceled.
00:21:40
Jo
Okay, I'll tell that story.
00:21:40
Amelie
La la la la la.
00:21:41
Jo
it. Okay. All right. Whatever. I got two minutes. So it was like years ago. was like years and years and years ago. And I was dating someone, that but not too well. and it was like the first couple of stages. It was around Halloween.
00:21:57
Jo
And we both kind of like comic books whatever. she's like, hey, you know, you dress as Uncle Ben. I'll dress as like the other one. I'm like,
00:22:09
Jo
Okay, so I thought she meant like, you know, the ant. Who's the ant's name in Spider-Man?
00:22:18
Amelie
I don't remember.
00:22:19
Jo
Oh my god.
00:22:21
Amelie
I don't remember.
00:22:21
Jo
oh You don't remember the woman's name in Spider-Man? My god, what kind of comic book nerd are you?
00:22:24
Amelie
i Wait. and No, no, no. I don't remember.
00:22:28
Jo
No.
00:22:29
Amelie
Spider-Man.
00:22:31
Amelie
Just let me check.
00:22:31
Jo
May.
00:22:33
Jo
Aunt May.
00:22:33
Amelie
Act.
00:22:36
Jo
Aunt May.
00:22:39
Jo
Yes, May. that was my That was my check for you. And you failed. I knew you were just wearing t-shirts now. I get it.
00:22:48
Amelie
i thought
00:22:49
Jo
No, it actually is Aunt May. are you looking up? It's Aunt May.
00:22:52
Amelie
But not in French, I think.
00:22:55
Jo
Spider-Man. Amelie, I swear to you, it's Aunt May.
00:22:58
Amelie
Yes, yes, you're right.
00:23:00
Jo
I know I'm right.
00:23:00
Amelie
got French.
00:23:03
Jo
Now, I thought she was going to dress as Aunt May. Right? She said, dress as Uncle Ben.
00:23:08
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:23:10
Jo
I'm like, great. Whatever. I'm not that old, but F it. I'll dress as Uncle Ben. And we were supposed to meet at this party. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah She was dressed as Aunt Jemima.
00:23:26
Amelie
What?
00:23:27
Jo
Yeah, yeah. She meant Uncle Ben from the Rice family.
00:23:31
Amelie
Oh no!
00:23:33
Jo
that's That's actually what I said when I saw her like, oh no, I can't be, this is a cancel my ass right here.
00:23:36
Amelie
Oh no! No no no!
00:23:39
Jo
I can't be seen with you. What the hell? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So always ask. When they say dress like Uncle Ben, I'll dress like the aunt. Ask. That's what Joe learns.
00:23:50
Jo
Here's a tip from Joe. Especially if you start dating the first couple of times, you don't really know each other's cultural background, we'll say, or cultural comparability.
00:23:52
Amelie
Oh my god!
00:23:59
Jo
Ask. ask, say, hey, did you mean Aunt May or Aunt Jemima? If they're like, you monster, why would he, but what, Aunt Jemima? No, ew.
00:24:12
Jo
Of course it's Aunt Jemima. Like, oh, no, damn it. Nah, we did not last. We did not last. And I'd honestly, honest to God, the sad thing is, I don't know who broke up of whom.
00:24:24
Jo
I don't remember. Like, i think she's like, no, I wound you in blackface, man. I can't bring you home to my dad. What's wrong you?
00:24:35
Amelie
No way.
00:24:35
Jo
Trusting as an old man from a Spider-Man.
00:24:35
Amelie
No way.
00:24:38
Jo
So, yeah, that's my two-minute, don't cancel my yet story. So, always beware, kids, when you're bringing some strange home. All right. So, back to Fantastic Four, Lynn.
00:24:50
Jo
agree. I agree. The characters are great. It's a family movie. It's got Franklin coming. And I was a bit worried. I'm like, Sue Storm's going up like that? She's pregnant like 12,000 months.
00:25:04
Jo
like She's ready to pop. up She's going to go on a spaceship right now? Are you stoned? Don't answer that, Ben. You know, I was worried... as i know it's just acting, but i was actually worried about her getting on the spaceship because she was that pregnant.
00:25:22
Jo
That's how into the movie I was at first, at first, at first.
00:25:25
Amelie
But in the 60s, it's okay.
00:25:28
Jo
Oh yeah, she should be smoking and drinking while she's doing it.
00:25:31
Amelie
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:32
Jo
And maybe, you know, Mr. Fantastic can slap her around a bit at the same time. ah ah Kids, if you don't know the American culture in the 60s, Google it. You won't thank me later.
00:25:42
Amelie
Or watch the series Mad Men. The series Mad Men is an excellent way to discover the 60s and understand how it was.
00:25:45
Jo
Never saw it.
00:25:53
Jo
The toxicus. Yeah, the toxicus as it was. it was So yeah, they're going out to space and they're like, we're going to take Galactus. We're going find Galactus. We're going to take his land. I'm like, oh no, don't do that. That sounds like a dumb idea.
00:26:07
Jo
And sure, they survive, right? So the whole thing is now about the baby. What would you give up? to make the world safe? What price would you do or give or pay to make the rest of humanity safe?
00:26:28
Amelie
I would sacrifice my life.
00:26:29
Jo
Would your life, okay, and that's what comes into back in the movie. Your life, sure, but what about one of your kids?
00:26:39
Jo
Okay, which one which one popped in your mind?
00:26:40
Amelie
If it...
00:26:41
Jo
One just popped in your, one name popped in your mind when said that.
00:26:42
Amelie
Yes!
00:26:44
Jo
Like, oh, this motherfucker's gone. No.
00:26:46
Amelie
have three kids, so it's fine. No,
00:26:49
Jo
that I hope they don't watch this. Okay, children, when you watch this, your mom was just joking. This is what in the 2000s we called jokes. they they It works. We weren't really mean thinking that we're going to sacrifice one of you yet.
00:27:03
Jo
Maybe we will. We don't know. Time will tell. Who knows? So you're you would not sacrifice one of your kids?
00:27:13
Amelie
If I can sacrifice myself, I would sacrifice myself, but that's an excellent question. As a mother, if I could save humanity, but I would have to sacrifice one of my child, would I do it?
00:27:24
Jo
One of your kids. Yeah.
00:27:27
Amelie
My answer is unfortunately yes, if it's to save.
00:27:29
Jo
You would.
00:27:31
Amelie
if If it's to save humanity, why not? Why not?
00:27:35
Jo
Oh my God. You're having a bunch of hate mail. You know that. By the way, this is mostly Diet Coke and a bit of whiskey. Guess which is which though.
00:27:43
Amelie
Well, okay. Humanity. You talk about humanity, other children, other. But if I do that, i think I would sacrifice myself too, because morally I would be dead inside.
00:27:58
Jo
Gone. Yeah.
00:27:59
Amelie
I would be gone dead inside.
00:28:01
Jo
It comes back to, but they might have made reference to this during the film. And there are some Easter eggs in this film. Like you see some stuff like the, how am I going to the urine stick, the pregnancy test. Sorry.
00:28:15
Jo
the In my mind, it translated into a urine stick. The pregnancy test was a Stark one, by the way. It was Stark Enterprise. But it's the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one or the few.
00:28:31
Jo
That's what we learned from Star Trek. You know, search for Spock or actually Wrath of Khan and then search for Spock. We flip it, scritch switch a bit, script, whatever. We flip something.
00:28:42
Jo
we We Vegas flip it. In this one, you have that choice. And you have Reed Richards and Sue Storm thinking about this very choice.
00:28:54
Jo
And it's a real decision. Like I asked you, what would you do? you're like, man, fortunately, yes. And then that's eventually what one of them comes up with.
00:29:05
Jo
They tried everything else. And it's between that and the world, they were leaning towards like, dang,
00:29:16
Jo
that's the only one that's the only way to stop it now you know and they still you know not going spoil too much so what do you think of those moments in the film as a monk i'm not a mom but i got a lot of mothers their start steve martin bit but i'm not a mom what did you think of sue's struggle in the film as a mom
00:29:42
Amelie
I know difficulty to have children. had three children in one go. And whenever I would go to the maternity to check if the kids were alive, I was like, okay, who is alive today?
00:29:53
Amelie
Because I was like, it's three eggs. It cannot be, I will have triplets, right?
00:29:57
Jo
right
00:29:58
Amelie
And when I announced my pregnancy at seven months, which is limit, you're going to pop up your children, right? I said, it's they're fine. They're alive. Everything is fine.
00:30:08
Jo
right
00:30:08
Amelie
Next time I will talk about them, they're going to be alive out of my belly. I met a lot of women who were struggling over having kids. Like women who was like, hey, I did IVA four times.
00:30:19
Amelie
So I went through five miscarriage or, hey, Emily, you announced your pregnancy at seven months.
00:30:20
Jo
Okay.
00:30:25
Amelie
had two miscarriage or we've been trying for 10 years, blah, blah. That's why we have one kid and stuff. And I'm thinking about this mother. When I took the first shower after the operation, the C-section, I'm thinking about all these mothers and I'm like, there is so many women in the world who are trying to conceive, who try and try and try and try, right?
00:30:47
Amelie
And they went through miscarriage, abortion because we are sorry you're in danger or the baby's in danger whatsoever, all stillborn and stuff like that. And we don't talk about that, right? We talk about the, oh,
00:31:01
Amelie
Look, gender reveal. It's a boy. It's a girl.
00:31:03
Jo
Yeah, we don't talk about the...
00:31:03
Amelie
Oh, look, a baby. in and But we never talk about the process.
00:31:07
Jo
Got some piss of it. Yeah.
00:31:09
Amelie
Thank God with internet, we've got more and more vlog, podcasts of mother, doctors, etc.
00:31:15
Jo
Yeah.
00:31:16
Amelie
Nurse to talk more and it's less taboo, right? But when when you talk about sacrifice and I jokingly, oh, I've got three kids, you know, it was so easy for me.
00:31:29
Amelie
When I watched that movie, And I saw that woman being pregnant and having a struggle. I'm like, oh my God, all these women, they have one baby and they have to make a decision.
00:31:46
Amelie
And that's terrible because understand the sadness of it. Like what makes a man ah ah father?
00:31:52
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:57
Amelie
The baby is between your your hand basically. What makes a woman a mother? The piece stick. You become a mother the moment you see the two lines. Am I going to get an abortion? Am I going to stop smoking?
00:32:10
Amelie
Am I going to stop drinking?
00:32:12
Jo
yeah
00:32:12
Amelie
Am I going to to go back to my parents? Am I going to give birth here, there? What am I going to do? Am I keeping the child? am i You see what I mean? There is a lot of so stress.
00:32:21
Jo
yeah
00:32:23
Amelie
So when I see that, I'm like, it must... It must be hard for some women who have difficulties to have kids who went through and so many miscarriages or false positives and stuff. And when you have one child like and you you need to... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the moment of the movie where you're like...
00:32:46
Jo
Yeah, well, you you kind of hit it on the head emotionally because you're you're saying you kept going in to the gynecologist or wherever it's going to be when you're were at. Yeah.
00:32:57
Jo
And saying like, okay, which of my three kids is still alive in me? Because you were expecting not to have all of them. You're expecting something might happen, right?
00:33:04
Amelie
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:33:07
Jo
And that's what Reed Richards was doing. he's like He was expecting, what did I just do? how is this? The expectation of parenthood. I think they nailed really well in this film.
00:33:18
Jo
On both sides. On both sides. You get the mom and the dad and the mom. You're right. As soon as you see that plus sign where thing is in the movie, you are now the mom. But the dad's like, ah because you know, he's Reed Richards. He's the world's smartest man. He can skadoodle.
00:33:34
Jo
Come back later on. He can have an arm this way. And then the ah two guys who don't, the family members or your close friends who don't have real skin in the game,
00:33:46
Jo
They get to be the cool uncles. like or you You see that with Ben and Johnny. Like, oh, we're, you know. Like, Reed, you're going to be a mess, but going to be the cool guys. And you you do see that. And I think it portrays it really well. And this comes into the end moments of trying everything and nothing else worked.
00:34:05
Jo
So here we go. We're using the kid as bait. And we're too smart. We're going to swerve Galactus. We're too smart. And it doesn't quite work that way.
00:34:18
Jo
You know, it becomes apparent that something is going to have to change. And that thing is what drives Sue Storm to do what she does.
00:34:29
Jo
And well I won't spoil all these moments. I know this is like a spoil-filled thing. I just want people to, if we say it's something galactic, I don't want people to freak out or Silver Surfer or whatever.
00:34:40
Jo
But I think the strength of this movie is its humanity. Because these are four fantastic people, but the strength is the humanity they show.
00:34:51
Jo
They show. Now, the weakness of this movie is, holy crap, no one gave an F about Galactus.
00:35:04
Jo
but He's probably the best Galactus on screen, but did you care about Galactus?
00:35:12
Amelie
I was disappointed because, yes, there is humanity and stuff, but we're not having fun. I didn't have fun.
00:35:22
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:24
Amelie
I was so disappointed. i did not have fun. Yes, it's an interesting point of view. Yes, it makes us think.
00:35:32
Jo
yeah
00:35:33
Amelie
Yes, great 60s stuff. But I'm like, I'm disappointed because Joseph Quinn is not funny.
00:35:45
Amelie
He says his jokes, but he's just like, da, da, da, da. I'm sure another actor would have done it. He would have been funny. Yes, he's a physically playing and he changed the hair color, but something's missing.
00:35:59
Jo
yeah
00:36:03
Amelie
Something's missing.
00:36:04
Jo
And it doesn't necessarily have to be the acting. I don't think the acting is an issue here.
00:36:08
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:36:10
Jo
I think the writing effed up. I think the director effed up. Because it doesn't the movie doesn't know what it wants to be.
00:36:16
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:36:17
Jo
We start out with Mole Man. And it's very cartoony. It's so cartoony, it's like the level of cringe.
00:36:21
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:36:23
Jo
Like, oh my god, i need that and need to step out a minute. I can't believe... I'm going to watch another hour and 55 minutes of this. think it's like an hour and 45 show.
00:36:31
Amelie
and
00:36:34
Jo
And then it gets dark. But it's not the way Superman starts. Superman starts with the dog, right? And it's fun. And it's dark. Remember, we talked about rhythm. Fun, dark, fun, dark, fun.
00:36:46
Jo
They have balance because James Gunn has that balance. And I don't know. Like, Matt Sheckman or... of the writers, Josh Friedman, Eric Pearson, and Jeff Kaplan.
00:37:02
Jo
Oh, man. Something in there just gets lost. It's unfortunate.
00:37:07
Amelie
Yeah, and the joke, oh, I went next to her and I tried to talk to her, all and she broke up with you. It's... Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:17
Jo
Yeah. Oh, yeah. And that was forced. like Johnny is trying to say something about Silver Surfers. Like, no, like guys, really. And it's not earned. Here's the thing.
00:37:25
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:37:26
Jo
Chris Evans' character from the 2005 movie, that would be earned because we see Chris Evans always joking.
00:37:30
Amelie
yeah yeah
00:37:33
Jo
He's always the ladies' man. He's always trying to pimp. I mean, like, not pimp, like the pimp hand thing, but strutting and stuff like that. He's trying to peacock all the time. Joseph Quinn doing it is not trying to peacock.
00:37:45
Jo
He's actually quite shy in the movie.
00:37:47
Amelie
Yeah.
00:37:48
Jo
You know, like, as soon as like, oh, he's he's available, you know, stuff like that. So it doesn't, ring true. The reactions, and this is maybe what it is, the reactions that the others have to Quinn's Johnny Storm don't ring true because it's not earned.
00:38:03
Amelie
Yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:38:07
Jo
And it's nothing with the actor.
00:38:07
Amelie
Like, the only...
00:38:08
Jo
It's a thousand percent writing and directing.
00:38:10
Amelie
time I really liked it was the exchange at the dinner table when he was eating cereal they arrive and he's like oh you're late oh late yeah for dinner you're late for dinner and they sit and they find out she's pregnant that little peach oh you're late with his face and stuff yeah great amazing because it's not sexual it's really like you're late you know so the problem is Joseph Queen always plays this character who ah how can I say
00:38:17
Jo
Yeah.
00:38:22
Jo
Yeah.
00:38:27
Jo
Yeah. Perfect.
00:38:32
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:40
Amelie
but it's a little bit outcast. They're very smart, but they're not taken seriously, you know. And he plays fantastically.
00:38:50
Amelie
Here is a beautiful so superhero, you know, is very kitty-kitty, who eats cereal at dinner, who seduce women and stuff like that. But it doesn't go with him. It doesn't go.
00:39:04
Amelie
He tries, but it doesn't.
00:39:06
Jo
Yeah, maybe. And that's one of the things I think if they set things up slower for or see more character background, because what we know about this Johnny Storm is he's more reserved than the other ones.
00:39:19
Jo
He's very still dynamic. He's still ah are are dar own a daredevil. He still wants to do the right things, but he's never taken seriously either. But that's, I'm like, I'm still not deserved. there's There's nothing in this film that he does.
00:39:35
Jo
that makes the reaction of not being taken seriously or that makes the reaction of being like a ladies man dess deserve. There's nothing in this film that actually shows that.
00:39:44
Amelie
Yeah.
00:39:44
Jo
And that's how they treat him.
00:39:44
Amelie
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:46
Jo
So was like, I don't know, is this something was cut out, a bunch of stuff cut out or what?
00:39:50
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:39:51
Jo
And then when he's trying to say like, no guys, I'm listening to this thing and I can decipher what she's saying. He's smart as hell. Like far as Reed Richards supposed to be the smartest one there. He he ain't.
00:40:05
Jo
Yeah, I'm so sorry. Like Johnny Storm is smarter than Reed Richards in most of these scenes. Which plays it kind of weird because Reed's very scientifically smart, but Quinn's like, no, I got this.
00:40:14
Amelie
have I have a problem with Pedro Pascal's interpretation. He's very, very like, he plays like that, you know, oh I'm an intelligent man. I'm trying to find a ah ah solution. Oh, I'm lost.
00:40:34
Amelie
Oh, very hairy. There is not this, some I was expecting more energy. I was expecting more. I don't know, do you see Pedro Pascal as a scientist?
00:40:45
Amelie
Like, to ah but this is my problem and I'm not the only one.
00:40:45
Jo
I...
00:40:48
Amelie
I'm going to, vais jeter un pavé dans la mare. I'm going to take a break and throw it in the middle of the lake, as we said it in French. Are you ready?
00:40:55
Jo
Yeah. Sure.
00:40:56
Amelie
And I'm not the only one to say that.
00:40:58
Jo
Sure.
00:40:59
Amelie
Too much Pedro Pascal. Too much, too much, too much.
00:41:01
Jo
Oh, I don't mind him.
00:41:02
Amelie
Too much Pedro Pascal. Too much. Boom. He's here, boom, he was in another movie and another movie and another movie. So it was way too much Pedro Pascal. And seeing him there, I don't buy it as a scientist.
00:41:18
Amelie
Like he was very, you know, like speaking like this.
00:41:23
Jo
But again, is that the actor's choice or is that the director? That's the thing. I think Pedro Pascal, I love Pedro Pascal's character in Game of Thrones.
00:41:35
Amelie
i dont Oh yes, yes, Game of Thrones, yes!
00:41:37
Jo
I love his character in Baby Yoda, The Mandalorian. I think The Mandalorian, he basically carries a show of Baby Yoda, the puppet.
00:41:41
Amelie
Very quickly.
00:41:44
Amelie
hu
00:41:45
Jo
And I really liked this character in season one of Last of Us. I did see season two, but I didn't play the game. I didn't play the the part two, so I can't really connect it as hard.
00:41:58
Amelie
But here's the problem. Pedro Pascal in Game of Thrones, you believe he is a character.
00:42:03
Jo
You absolutely do.
00:42:04
Amelie
Because one, you don't know him. Two, he's fantastic stranger. I will never forget that episode when you find out he yeah he's going to to to fight the giant because he's like, yeah, my sister got raped and destroyed and stuff like that.
00:42:17
Jo
Yeah. Mountain.
00:42:21
Amelie
And when he died, with his eyes completely explode, I'm like, yeah, that's great.
00:42:26
Jo
Yeah, right. And then the Mandalorian, his character character arc of Mandalorian is mercenary ah ah damage past to like the father figure of it.
00:42:32
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:42:37
Amelie
Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:39
Jo
You see these these things and the same thing as Last of Us, you kind of continues that on.
00:42:43
Amelie
Yeah.
00:42:44
Jo
And so we know he can play a dad. We know he can play smart-ish.
00:42:49
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:42:51
Jo
But damn, yeah maybe Reed Richards, I don't know.
00:42:52
Amelie
Scientists?
00:42:55
Jo
I mean, I like him. but like him as an actor.
00:42:57
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:42:59
Jo
I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon because I think a lot of that comes from what he's talking about for transgender rights. so And I don't think people should be either way with that. Like, if acting should stand alone... like I have the same thing for J.K. Rowling, by the way. The writing should stand on itself. The acting should stand on itself.
00:43:16
Jo
Either way, whatever side you're on. and Watch me get cancelled that one. You... I think he brings humanity into Reed Richards' The Doubt.
00:43:28
Jo
But it might be overplaying the doubt. Especially if you grew up the comics. Maybe it's overplaying it a bit. And then you've you've got... Ben Grimm who is just kind of there.
00:43:43
Jo
Like the thing is just kind of there. I can name two moments, maybe three. And they're great moments. But it's all I can name the entire movie. I don't know where he was before. I have no idea what he's doing otherwise.
00:43:56
Jo
He's like grocery shopping, I think, in part of the film. that's okay That's how exciting his moments are. He's bloody grocery shopping in part of it. So maybe they just underutilize Ben Grimm.
00:44:09
Jo
And then six Storm.
00:44:14
Jo
Yes, yes, and yes, and yes. I think Vanessa Kirby does great. Fantastic job as Sue Storm. Are you better than Jessica Alba? And I can't even remember the last person who played Sue Storm before Jessica or after Jessica Alba.
00:44:28
Amelie
Don't remember, don't care. 2015, voila.
00:44:30
Jo
Yeah, I think that's I think that reboot was just no one really cared.
00:44:31
Amelie
but
00:44:35
Jo
And i think she played mom very well. She played mom very well. And she reminded me of Scarlet Witch during some of the mother scenes because they own they both have a very strong maternal instinct.
00:44:53
Jo
Now, with that all said, here we go.
00:45:01
Jo
The good news and bad news. The good news is they don't over-CGI it. Like you don't see fantastic. They don't see Mr. Fantastic always stretching out and doing weird things. It's very minimal, very minimal.
00:45:14
Jo
Like the first, the person has the most screen time using his powers is Johnny storm. Right. I think until the end. So it's not that bite, you know, that won't bite him in the butt.
00:45:29
Jo
The same time,
00:45:32
Jo
yeah If I want to see a family drama, i hear the ro the War of the Roses being redone with Shruti and Cumberbatch.
00:45:44
Jo
and know i That's a good family drama, allegedly.
00:45:44
Amelie
Yeah.
00:45:46
Amelie
Yeah.
00:45:47
Jo
I didn't see it.
00:45:47
Amelie
Yeah. It's nice to have synopsis different and the doubt and this and that, but we are there to have fun, to see fights and to see the four fantastic and stuff like that.
00:45:56
Jo
Yeah.
00:46:00
Jo
Yeah, I think I described this, and honestly, i'm I'm so sorry if I'm not the one who described it this way. But it was the a movie necessary just to set up Doomsday.
00:46:14
Jo
The entire movie is one gigantic commercial for four-second payoff in a credit scene where Dr. Doom appears in the post-credit scene for a half-second.
00:46:29
Jo
That's the entire movie. That's actually synopsis. Forget what is IMDb for synopsis. think I'll roll this up now. Forced to balance their roles as heroes with the strength of their family bond, the Fantastic Four must defend Earth from a ravenous space god called Galactus as his ignomatic herald, the Silver Surferer.
00:46:53
Jo
No, sorry, that's incorrect. It should be forced to make a movie. Marvel said, damn, we need to set up Doomsday somehow. Should we do a commercial? Nah, let's full full budget on our movie instead.
00:47:07
Jo
That's what the whole logline really is, to be quite blunt. It's a movie setting up another movie. This movie exists only because of Doomsday.
00:47:21
Jo
The end.
00:47:23
Amelie
Are you surprised?
00:47:26
Jo
Disappointed.
00:47:28
Amelie
too.
00:47:28
Jo
Disappointed.
00:47:29
Amelie
Me too.
00:47:29
Jo
And I don't know if it's because Marvel Burnout or because I really liked, I didn't love the Thunderbolts. I liked it. I love Superman.
00:47:37
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:47:37
Jo
It's it's nots like superhero burnout. And I've been re-watching some of the old Thor movies on and Disney Plus and stuff like that. And You know, I watched Ironheart, although it's kind of like a slow burn. The first episode was just exposition heavy and kind of sucked, but the rest kind of built into it.
00:47:58
Jo
So Marvel still got chops, and I can't wait for no more Daredevil, especially with the original cast, you know.
00:48:06
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:48:10
Jo
But dang, this was a missed opportunity to be more than a commercial for Boomsday.
00:48:15
Amelie
Definitely, definitely, definitely. But something's weird because in France, there's a lot of critics who like it.
00:48:22
Amelie
But as I was telling you before starting the podcast, did they watch the movie in English in French?
00:48:22
Jo
but Okay.
00:48:22
Jo
Yes. Right.
00:48:30
Amelie
Because if they watched it in French, there is special actor who play the different characters, the voice actor, and sometimes they're way better than the actor itself.
00:48:42
Amelie
Like, I often find my myself in situation where I would find a movie less funny because so the voice or the saying is different.
00:48:52
Amelie
Or the inverse, the movie is really, really funny. And I thought it was not that funny or more tragic or something like that.
00:49:00
Jo
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:00
Amelie
So it was interesting to check for me the different critics who are very serious critics, geeks, really know their thing and stuff.
00:49:08
Jo
yeah
00:49:08
Amelie
And I'm like, oh my God, they like the movies. They prefer that movie than Superman. Oh yeah. dot And I'm like, but no, did we watch the same movie?
00:49:15
Jo
really
00:49:18
Amelie
Like it's interesting. And there is some French podcaster. who are not rich, who are Mr. and Mrs. Everybody, right? Who do very small podcasts, who like, oh, no, no, no, it's really bad. This is what's going on. And so was like, yeah, that's the movie watch.
00:49:33
Amelie
So I don't know. Maybe some people will say to us, no, we're wrong. And it's a really good movie and blah, blah, blah, blah. But I don't know what happened. Like, i i should investigate.
00:49:46
Amelie
Maybe watch the movie in French to see if there is a difference.
00:49:48
Jo
Maybe.
00:49:52
Jo
and that's that's sometimes part of the issue because if if you are coming at me with The Simpsons and I'll do a Comic-Con in Montreal, right?
00:50:06
Jo
And remember one year we had the Quebecois voice actors for The Simpsons and they were megastars.
00:50:07
Amelie
Yeah.
00:50:14
Amelie
Yeah.
00:50:15
Jo
But you know what? I can't watch the Quebec dub of The Simpsons because it's not the voice I grew up with.
00:50:21
Amelie
For us in France, Homer Simpson and Marge Simpson are very famous and they're husband and wife. The voice actor.
00:50:30
Jo
Oh. Yeah. See, maybe that's what it is. It kind of carries through. And they're right. So maybe the other actors can bring things up. Like in an anime, they might the English version might be little more poppy.
00:50:44
Amelie
Yeah.
00:50:44
Jo
You know, it might pop out more.
00:50:46
Jo
And I'm looking at some of the what people, the writers did. And stop me if you heard of this one. Here's what some of the the IMDb credits are. Avatar, The Way of the Water. Sorry. Okay.
00:50:56
Jo
Terminator, Dark Fate. A a lot of other very, War of the Worlds, but not the one you're thinking of. The Black Dahlia.
00:51:06
Jo
Sure. and That's one of many, you know, this it's kind of like, ugh. Ugh. ah Overall, though, overall, where we're not going to rate this, and it's only, and okay, it's a PG movie, so it's for general audience, sorry, G is for general audience, but parental guidance suggested it's under two hours, so it's one of the Marvel movies that's under two hours for once, thank you.
00:51:24
Amelie
Yeah.
00:51:33
Jo
And we'll just say, instead of rating this itself, it is by far probably the best Fantastic Four movie, right?
00:51:43
Amelie
yeah
00:51:46
Jo
Now, I'm gonna ask you a question though. I had to bring this up because I don't remember all these bloody things. Where do you sit this, and there's like a bazillion Marvel movies now.
00:51:58
Jo
It's not the worst Marvel movie.
00:52:02
Amelie
no No, no, no, no, it's not. It's well worked. That's why I'm disappointed because there are capacity, there is something.
00:52:11
Jo
Yeah, it's, put it this way, of, Is it better than Captain America Brave New World with the Red Hulk? Is it better than that movie for you?
00:52:26
Jo
I mean, again, another movie that boshed the plot. That movie could have been fantastic and they just effed it hard.
00:52:32
Amelie
yeah
00:52:36
Jo
They wasted their star's talents, both of them. They wasted a lot of love. They wasted a lot of interest in the new Captain America.
00:52:43
Amelie
oh wow
00:52:45
Jo
And then they come out with Thunderbolts, which is arguably a better movie. Like, Thunderbolts is actually ah ah far superior movie to Captain America. That's not saying Thunderbolts is a perfect movie, but it's better.
00:52:59
Jo
Let me see. Here we gotta go. to go and We have Guardians Galaxy Vol. 3. That's a good movie. The Marvels. I didn't really give a crap. like oh, three people don't care.
00:53:11
Jo
I say don't. Sorry. No. And then Deadpool Wolverine brings it back up. Love it. Perfect. Almost one the best perfect R-rated movies.
00:53:22
Jo
I still watch it and I giggle.
00:53:24
Amelie
isn
00:53:25
Jo
And then Captain America Brave the World slumps back down. Thunderbolts, almost here.
00:53:28
Amelie
Yeah. a
00:53:30
Jo
And then Fantastic Four. It might be commercially doing better than Superman, but I'd like to see the numbers this weekend.
00:53:36
Amelie
That's a thing. Maybe, maybe not. We don't know. Like for the first time, found myself with different world. like Fantastic Four, no, doesn't work, doesn't work. And some people say, no, it's great.
00:53:49
Amelie
It's great. It's better than Superman. So I'm like, I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on.
00:53:58
Jo
Yeah, and and this is...
00:53:59
Amelie
Is it a win or is it not? Like, je te jure, for the first time, I'm telling you, I don't know. I don't know.
00:54:06
Jo
and Here you go. This is start of phase six. Okay, I'm going to through the phases of Marvel. And I had a friend who worked for Marvel, so I got, I'm going to say who it was and whatever.
00:54:18
Jo
But they they leaked out the phases to me. They shouldn't have. But I didn't say nothing. So whatever. Like phase one, Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America, the first Avenger, Avengers.
00:54:32
Jo
Incredible Hulk, you throw away, that was crap. Like that that movie those is whatever. Phase two though. Iron Man 3. Thor Dark World.
00:54:44
Jo
Winter Soldier. Guardians the Galaxy. Sleeper hit. Guardians of the Galaxy. That came out nowhere for me. Avengers Age of Ultron and Ant-Man. Again another movie that came out of nowhere to be really popular.
00:54:55
Jo
So phase two was like okay. And then Phase 3, Civil War, Doctor Strange, Guardian Galaxies 2, Spider-Man Home Company, Thor, Reganok, Reganok, Regarock.
00:55:07
Jo
Here you Tony Horton, ready? Up or nuts? That's pretty funny. Black Panther, amazing movie, right? Infinity War, Ant-Man and Wasp, all did well.
00:55:19
Jo
Captain Marvel, we we needed to watch, and I guess something like that. know, like, the Wonder Woman came out, whatever, know.
00:55:24
Amelie
A lot of politics, lot of politics.
00:55:27
Jo
Yeah, basically. like
00:55:28
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:55:28
Jo
Endgame came out. Amazing. Spider-Man Far From Home.
00:55:32
Amelie
Yeah.
00:55:34
Jo
Still decent. And then Phase 4, Black Widow. COVID kind of kibosh Black Widow and bunch of... Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings. I couldn't give an F about.
00:55:46
Jo
I wanted to. i couldn't. Eternals? See, Shang-Chi. I couldn't give an F about it. I can't even name me who's in Eternals. I cannot physically name any of the actors right now Eternals.
00:55:58
Jo
Was Angela DeGena and Jolie in it? I can't remember. Maybe she was. I don't know. I didn't care. And I should have. I liked the Eternals comic books and I, whatever. Spider-Man, No Way Home.
00:56:09
Jo
Doctor Strange, Multiverse. Thor, Love and Thunder. I liked it. People hated it. Whatever. Thor comics were supposed to be fun. Black Panther, Wakanda Forever. Honest to God, don't remember what happened in it.
00:56:22
Jo
Do not remember what happened in Wakanda Forever. Black Panther 2. No idea.
00:56:27
Amelie
and the Didn't watch it.
00:56:29
Jo
Yeah.
00:56:29
Amelie
Didn't watch it.
00:56:31
Jo
It's like, oh.
00:56:31
Amelie
Like, I'm sorry, for me, there is just one but Black Panther. main actor unfortunately passed away. For me, it's forever Black Panther.
00:56:38
Jo
Yeah, but that's exactly it. Or they could have done it slightly different. Yeah, like, no, this was, no.
00:56:44
Amelie
No.
00:56:44
Jo
And then phase five. Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania. I kind of remember it.
00:56:50
Amelie
Heard about it and I'm like, why? Like it was too pushy pushy. I heard about it and I'm like, yeah, no, too pushy.
00:56:57
Jo
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then we go Guardians of the Galaxy 3. Again, I liked it. James Gunn. If you like James Gunn films, you like James films.
00:57:07
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:57:08
Jo
And then Marvel, the Marvels. I didn't care for Ms. Marvel. I didn't care for the Marvels. I didn't care for the other... It's just a lot of shoehorning crap I didn't care.
00:57:19
Jo
And then Deadpool Wolverine pops back up and then Brave New World didn't care. Thunderbolts. Now, here's Phase 6 coming. Because we just started Phase 6 last weekend.
00:57:30
Jo
Fantastic Four, First Steps, Phase 6. Up next, Spider-Man, Brand New Day, 2026. And then Doomsday, 2026. And then Secret Wars, 2027 with the Russos. they're ending on strong note.
00:57:43
Jo
two thousand and twenty seven with the russos so they're ending on a strong note And the rest, honest to God, Armor Wars probably won't happen unless it's a cartoon. Black Panther 3, sure, whatever. I don't think that's a great idea.
00:57:59
Jo
Blade, Blade's been in production or pre-production for like thousand years.
00:58:02
Amelie
Yep. Yep. Yep. This is it. This is it. This is it. A lot of old millennials contacting me. They're like, Blade, Blade, Blade, like a big, big thing, Blade.
00:58:10
Jo
yeah
00:58:14
Amelie
Apparently, it's going to be. This is it.
00:58:16
Jo
It's going to be. I love Wesley Snipes' line in Deadpool Wolverine.
00:58:17
Amelie
Yep.
00:58:22
Jo
And they're the only one, motherfucker. Because Wesley Snipes for forever. i don't know I love Ali. I think he was fantastic in a lot of his stuff he did.
00:58:35
Jo
But there's only one blade. And that's forever Wesley Snipes. It's like, it's too soon.
00:58:41
Amelie
Definitely.
00:58:42
Jo
Can you imagine someone doing a Superman movie while Chris Reeves was still alive?
00:58:42
Amelie
Definitely.
00:58:46
Jo
And like, abled? Like, oh, well we're going to redo Superman in the 90s. Like, no you ain't. That's Chris Reeves in Superman. Like, we're going to redo Star Wars. There's no longer Mark Hamill being Luke Skywalker.
00:58:57
Jo
It's this dude. Okay, okay. I like Matthew McConaughey, but I don't know if he's right for Mark. I don't think he's right for Luke Skywalker.
00:59:03
Amelie
No, it may work. Look at James Bond, for example.
00:59:08
Jo
Well, James Bond is a...
00:59:09
Amelie
Yeah.
00:59:10
Jo
a Doctor Who, they have to regenerate.
00:59:12
Amelie
Mm-hmm. think?
00:59:12
Jo
Because people die. Yeah, so we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. You're saying Blade for sure? Oh, man. Like, I'll believe it when see it. I'll believe it see it, man.
00:59:24
Jo
But I think no one's going to care by then. No one's going to care by then.
00:59:28
Amelie
you think
00:59:29
Jo
I don't think the future films will happen. Except for the X-Men one. There's probably one more good X-Men movie coming out. The rest... Maybe. Maybe a TV show. and don't know.
00:59:40
Jo
don't know. I don't think anyone's going care about Armored Wars. Once Tony Stark dies as Iron Man, no one's going to give Black Panther 3?
00:59:49
Amelie
Yep.
00:59:49
Jo
No one gives a shit about Black Panther 2.
00:59:50
Amelie
No. No.
00:59:53
Amelie
It was a big thing. It was a big thing. The number one. Yeah.
00:59:53
Jo
And...
00:59:56
Jo
Yeah. And like again, Shang-Chi and legend the Legend of the Rings sequel? No one gave a fuck about the first one. So sorry to tell you that guy. So we'll see. We'll see. But so it it's not the worst movie in Marvel history, but it ain't the best.
01:00:13
Amelie
Yeah.
01:00:14
Jo
And unlike Black Widow that got kind of hammered by COVID and really crappy marketing, it doesn't even have... Yeah, it's better than Marvel's.
01:00:25
Jo
It's better than the Marvel's. There go. There's the tail line. Fantastic Four, first step. Not the worst Fantastic Four movie you've seen and better than the Marvel's. Do you like commercials, kids?
01:00:37
Jo
Do you like commercials for an hour and 45 minutes? Watch Fantastic Four. It's a great commercial for Doomsday. That's the movie you want to see anyways.
01:00:48
Amelie
It's sad because everything was there.
01:00:49
Jo
Yeah.
01:00:51
Amelie
Everything was there, you know.
01:00:51
Jo
Yeah.
01:00:53
Amelie
It's like going to
01:00:53
Jo
They just F it.
01:00:54
Amelie
a Japanese restaurant and be like, this is a plate of sushi. Look, everything is perfectly sealed.
01:01:00
Jo
Here's a McDonald's.
01:01:01
Amelie
You know, the soja sauce and everything. And you grab and it's tasteless. you're like, why?
01:01:05
Jo
yeah Yeah, I know. I know. Yeah. So there you have it, kids. yeah We will do Barry. as Season 2, Episode 2 comes out. I keep bumping Barry down the road. We already recorded the episode.
01:01:21
Jo
So, yeah, one day you will see Barry. But until then, until then, Fantastic Four. Like it, hate it, whatever. Let us know what you think.
01:01:32
Jo
but behalf of myself, Joe, and Amelie, I bid you good day. been with my Paul Harvey lately. Bye, everyone. Deuces.