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181: Unearthing Ancient Cultures
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Everyone wish Alanna a happy birthday!!! For this very special ep we covered two very old civilizations and cultures that have definitely left their mark on history. The eruption of Mount Vesuvius caused devastating damage to Pompeii and surrounding areas, but how much do you really know about the city? We take a trip back in time and learn a bit about what life may have been like over 2000 years ago.
Alanna takes a deeper look into some Celtic traditions, from fire festivals to handfasting, and a whole lot more.
We hope you enjoy, happy St Patrick's day, catch up with everyone next week!
Darkcast spotlight this week is The Book of the Dead podcast!
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Introduction to Darkcast Network
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Darkcast Network. Indie pods with a dark side.
Approaching the 200th Episode
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Welcome to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm your host, Alanna. And I'm Kelsey. And we are kidding you as fuck, which I've probably said that before.
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need a new tagline.
Spring Excitement and Gardening
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um no but we're getting close to episode 200. We are on 181. That's we are on one eighty one that's crazy But, ah yeah.
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We hope you enjoyed last week's. um We've had a couple different ones where we did one case per episode.
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And they were long ones. So I hope you like that we split them up.
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Yeah. If you don't mind. Don't want, like, a four-hour-long episode. Yeah. Yeah, unless it's a Marvel movie. I don't know.
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Yeah. don't Don't release the cryptid cut. No. It's a nerd joke. um Yeah. it's Oh, yeah. It's Happy Friday and it's Happy like St. Patrick's Day weekend when you hear this.
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And also, oh yeah fucking birthday to me. Yeah.
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Woo! Happy Pisces season! Yeah. And spring. oh my god, I hope you guys are all having a good spring. We're going talk about some springy stuff this episode, so that gets me all jazzed up and out of my seasonal depression.
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Yeah, it's a perfect time of year. It's my favorite time of year. pretty good. The days are longer, and and my no's melt my dad's so yeah My dad surprised me. He told me he had planted ah little seeds and everything in the garage, all little plants he's pre-growing in the garage and then he's going to transplant them ah when it gets warm enough outside. I was like, oh, that's cool.
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My parents haven't had like a little garden or anything for years. like 15 years now of so i'm like oh that's really cool oh for sure yeah it can be tough grow some yeah plant something doesn't grow you're like ah yeah we stick to pretty easy stuff like beans i know he did some zucchini and uh oh yeah maybe some carrots like stuff that very low maintenance uh
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Nothing finicky. The zucchini does well here. as There's one picture on my Instagram where it's... One's hanging over the side of our thing, like, engorged.
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ah Right? And then you have, like, that rhubarb or something that never quits. Like, that's unkillable. have tried to kill it. have... i have what, four by fours stacked on top of it. I put cement sidewalk blocks on top of it I put a black garbage can on top of it, like, turned upside down trying to block out any sunlight from reaching it.
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and Apparently that doesn't bother it ji It still manages to grow. ah not as out of control as it used to but I mean, once we finally get to like landscaping my yard and doing the fence and everything it's basically gotta like that's crazy i was yeah but it used to it would be like i don't know two or three feet across and then it'd be like three feet high at least three or four feet high and then it would go to uh like seed and then it would spread seeds everywhere and yeah it was just a nightmare
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The cockroach of garden plants. No. Is it, like, technically a weed, I wonder? kind of is. I'm not too sure, like, ah it's just annoying because, like, if it seeds everywhere, it'll just grow, like, random patches of rhubarb in the middle of your grass. So that's very annoying. Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. The whippersnapper out. Yeah.
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Yeah, i remember I used to cut it down to nothing, and I called it curb stomping. I would just, like, obliterate the roots and everything. i would just kick it to death. And that didn't help. It kept coming back, so... You went all American history at some point.
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It did. That's when I, so but like, threw a sidewalk block on top of it. It was, like, there, and then the next year it like, grew around the sides of the sidewalk block. And i was like... yeah My dad's like, your last resort is just pouring gasoline on it, but that'll kill all your grass, too.
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and Right. yeah I was like, well, i don't I don't really want to do that. Salton burn, baby. Yeah, that's rough. Yeah. um Well, I don't want to get the wrong impression. just got this image.
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curb stuff i just got this image I was like, oh, God.
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going yeah ah crazy i would just kick it yeah just kick it until it died hello brutal it lives yeah yeah i've entered my frustration in the summer just attack my river blood no my i'm gardening this is relaxing i want the the vines overgrowing Like, that's what I'd love to get going on my trellis. And in my mom's house, she's got, like, the wild green grapevines that grows all up over her deck and stuff.
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And I'm like, that's so cool. Mine was doing good. No. ah Last year, mine for the first year ever didn't come back.
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ah So I don't know about this year. But last year was the first year it didn't grow. um um yeah i have so like i have purple and green that my aunt had planted here when she lived here but that was like 15 years ago and this is the first that last summer was the first summer it never came back but there's been a a weird tree that for some reason take took root like in that area and that's getting bigger each year and i feel like that may have choked it out
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uh yeah could be hey when we do my patio we're going to be paving that area anyway so we would have had to dig that all up anyway so but it is kind of disappointing it's like oh like my aunt planted that 15 years ago before she died yeah now it's gone right yeah and it's nice when they can yeah exactly continue living on and growing and yeah i always thought of yeah yeah even though we didn't really ever do anything with it it was nice to look at and kind of cool yeah we'll see this year maybe we'll come back right well hopefully would be nice and then like
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Yeah, I always see fruit trees and i'm like, I should do something with this, especially since we started dabbling in mead and stuff. I'm like, give me some honey.
Podcast Sub-genres and Pompeii Fascination
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have some Saskatoon berries in my freezer just waiting for me to get some honey and actually do something with them.
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Excuse me. um What was... Did you tell me what your aunt's name was again? I forgot. Cindy. i like that. i love a Cindy. Never met a Cindy I didn't like.
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Yeah. yeah
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ah Well, cheers to spring renewal.
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oh yeah yeah Spring break. No, just kidding. ah we We were like, yeah, we've done that. Spring break crimes. Yeah. So bad.
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What are we talking about today? um excited to hear yours. Yeah, we got like What, ancient civilizations, ancient cultures kind of episode going on?
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Yeah. Getting into our history vibe again. i guess we're rebranding as true crime. History and mystery? That's us. Ooh, yeah.
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It's got a nice ring. Yeah. Yeah. we We got a lot of sub-genres.
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We're not going let good pods define us, actually. I'm just focusing too much on it. Yeah, we refuse. Who tells me if I'm a history or a true crime podcast? We can be both.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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All right. I wanted to talk about Pompeii. i ever heard of her right i've always kind of been fascinated by it there's yeah there's so many little rabbit holes uh that you can kind of go into and people have devoted their entire lives to like very specific uh research about different aspects of it so i kind of have more preservation yeah
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Yeah, like I have more of a generalized thing. It's not very long ah because I feel like there's so much that you can like continue researching if people were interested.
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oh yeah. But it's fun to talk about. I get like, that's fun. Like Atlantis or like when I did Port Royal, I was like, it's something that just was there and then it was gone. It's so crazy. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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so guess i knew like just kind of like oh mount vesuvius pompeii the like um those the bodies and stuff is probably what it's most famous for right the volcano a little bit yeah you've never been there yet i haven't no i would love to yeah it'd be crazy love to get more on that side of the world. I've only really been on this side. I haven't gone anywhere on that half of the world. so Oh, I know. is yeah
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yeah Take me on a European tour because I can hit six countries. Yeah, in like, I don't know, a week maybe. I would love to... ah Somebody once just told me, oh, find like the cheapest place to uh like fly to in europe and then just take yeah like trains and everything around and that's yeah the whole backpacker right yeah i would love to do that uh very cliche but i would love to maybe i couldn't maybe take a whole year at this point in my life
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No, absolutely do we not. ah For a week or so. Yeah.
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Yeah, I don't think I could do it more than a couple weeks. a Yeah. so Pompeii at its time was a popular resort city, which I didn't know. Oh. was like Yeah, i hadn't heard that before. it was already a tourist attraction or destination. Yeah.
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It was, actually. like, oh, cool.
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It's south of ancient Rome and lies on the west coast of Italy and is ah along the Bay of Naples. So it's got, like, the nice bay there and it's on one side. Yeah. And...
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ah It was mostly comprised of ancient Greek settlers that formed this independent-minded town for, like, i think a few decades or so, until it ended up falling under Roman influence in the 2nd century BC.
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And eventually the Bay of Naples became the spot for these wealthy vacationers from Rome to go to And they ended up kind of turning that little independent town into this flourishing resort area populated by some of the most distinguished citizens citizens of the Roman Empire.
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Citizens.
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Yeah, that's funny. Like, I don't know much about the Holy Roman Empire. Even after I listened to an episode of Noble Blood that was called like, neither holy nor Roman, nor maybe even an empire or something like that. It was kind of like, maybe we think of it as, I don't know, more of a ah civilization or a time than it was.
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But I'd have to re-listen to the episode. Yeah. we're not like the guys that think about it every day or whatever the the trope is yeah so silly yeah what does that stupid mean thinking about the roman empire i had to explain it one to the one to pat because it's just like yeah i don't think that's a real thing but maybe a couple guys think about the roman empire and just like I think about a bunch of history, but I don't say every woman does.
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know.
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ah Oh, man. So Pompeii filled up over this time with these elegant houses and villas. And many of these were filled with expensive artworks and fountains, just like really cool mosaic patterns, everything. Italian. Italian.
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artwork and whatnot is crazy. I know. They just do it so well. oh yeah. When I was looking it up, I was just like, oh, that kind of sucks. Like, it was this little independent-minded place.
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It sounded exactly like a gentrification to me, which I was like, oh, this isn't great. And I started my research because I was like, oh, these rich Roman people just, like, came and took over from...
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where these Greek people were just trying to live independently and were just like, this is our resort town now, it's along the coast. Okay. So. Yeah, I think in those days we still called it, maybe. Like,
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Maybe we didn't even call it colonization. It was just like, we win the war. This is ours now. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point, though. But, um yeah, people might be able to look more into this, but a couple, or I think one of my sources said that the, like, quote unquote, middle class that we're living in Pompeii,
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uh also were able to see a general increase in their standard of living um because of the influx of all these rich people that were moving in because they needed like people to build them homes and all that kind of stuff so it seemed to help like their standard of living in general seemed to go up and it helped provide a flourishing economy that lifted up it seemed to be like most of the citizens um okay so in which i felt better about so yeah yeah i was like okay that isn't as bad as i thought this sucks uh
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It's definitely hard to know when looking back what what version you're reading and how true it is. Because it said that like some people that had had small shops had more business and then they could tell based on Oh god.
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types of people that had been like like the middle quote unquote middle class um ended up like living in they're like oh yeah like they were pretty they were kind of starting in competition of who could have nicer houses them or the rich the richest people that were moving there so Like, they were doing good, it seemed.
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They wanted to build their own McMansions. Yeah. I mean, I was like, yeah, if you got the skill, you can build your house. Yeah, you get a little money, you get used to a certain level of living, and, well, for sure, you get comfortable.
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can see it. ah So it filled up... Oh, sorry. ah There was these... I guess the streets were paved. I hadn't heard of that before. must musts have been like stones or something.
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No. Yeah.
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They just pour a fountain of gold. Let it... they float with milk and honey. Yeah. ah And the streets were lined with small factories, artisan shops, taverns, cafes.
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um There's some arguments about how many broho brothels there may or may not have been in Pompeii.
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Probably some official, some less official. Yeah. I think so. People are like, oh based on some of the mosaic artwork we found on some walls, even in people's houses. was like, yeah.
00:18:37
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Maybe they just had an orgy there and they wanted to commemorate it with the portrait. mean, there was one place they found that literally had prices, like, painted on the walls. So that place was very official. But some other places they're inferring...
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Like that, didn't I tell you I saw a thing on Reddit where someone saw an old business card thing and they found it in their grandma's house and it was like Dick's Services or whatever.
00:19:04
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maybe I was telling Pat. Oh my god. I've not heard this. and was It was like from the 70s. It was like a really unofficial looking photocopied like sort of business card with all these prices on it of like it was like specials for um but don't know, widowed women and satisfaction guaranteed and then like and don't know there's a price for like doggy style but then there was also a price for like with barking and squeaking or something else so seventy s everything was like twenty two dollars I was like wait
00:19:43
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you know what um I saved it on reddit because um I thought we might want to do a Patreon segment like they do on Sinisterhood with Heather's saves. I'm like, oh, Alana has some saves from Reddit that are crazy.
00:19:57
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Oh, that's wild. It was granted those business cards. ah Yeah, it's this is not safe for work, but one of them was titty chewing. Just I don't even want to know how literal that was.
00:20:15
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Not chewing. Not chewing, please. What are you doing? Oh my god, I'm sorry. did not mean to email that, but that's what it made me think of. oh Yeah. ah oh Then there's bathhouses as well that I think were probably pretty common because, mean, this is so long ago.
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Yeah, the Roman baths. Yeah, they were a totally into it. It said that these were all frequented by tourists, townspeople, and then there was also, can't forget, there was enslaved people that were probably doing a lot of the work um as well. Oh, yeah.
00:21:02
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So... and some people were progressive and others, they were just the same. Or, you know, just as backwards.
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ah There was also 20,000-seat arena, which is pretty cool. Yeah, that's a lot. Mini Coliseum.
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Yeah, kind of. There was open air squares, like seating areas, which I thought was kind of cool. And then all these marketplaces set up as well.
00:21:37
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I ran into something too. I don't think I kept it in my notes, but there was, they uncovered like, they call it like a gastro bar or something, kind of like a little eatery, like snack bar.
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Where they had a really long, i saw it, it has a really long counter that kind of like, almost like, think of like bar seating. Where it's going around a counter and it's going through the whole place.
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ah But on the counter there's like hollowed out, almost looks like bowls. ah But it's like hollowed out from the counter and they people used to eat there.
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Oh, dang. So they'd like serve your food into the bowl and that was like the seating thing. But it was like, yeah, you would have like snacks here and stuff. And they're like, yeah. was like, that's kind of cool. What kind of places? Yeah. Talked about like snacking or ah like eating in a restaurant. There wasn't like a tavern or something. The original fast food. I mean, i feel like I've heard about barbecue like not joints, but like evidence they've found that go back to like, well, they, they barbecued some mammoth here or whatever. And you're like, wait, what?
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And then like, they're like, we found this communal beer barrel. And you're just like, dang, how long a human's been like, how can we take this meat and stuff and make it into booze and partying and sex?
00:23:07
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ah right Spend time with our friends. yeah All about community. and a
00:23:16
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hell yeah that's why we're getting together yeah so there's yeah we are there is a lot more if you want to look into it about like all the buildings that had going on and everything ah so getting to mount vesuvius It's Pompeii is located about five miles from Mount Vesuvius.
Mount Vesuvius and Pompeii's Demise
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And much of the city's wealth came from the rich volcanic soil that was black in color due to many previous volcanic eruptions that happened. Right. so So it's very rich. it was Yeah. thought like...
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i thought like I think the first time I started looking it up, I didn't really understand that. And then I started talking thinking about how they talk about when a forest fire goes through and like burns everything. And then you have all that ash and then stuff tends to, when it does finally start growing, it tends to come back better and like fuller and lusher than it did before.
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um Because of the nutrients in the ash and stuff, which seems very weird. Right. I don't understand what chemicals it produces. But yeah, I understand the general like, okay, goes back in soil, is good now.
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Yeah, so I think the ash and everything from these previous volcanic eruptions had made the soil there like really, really good for growing things. Mm-hmm.
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And these ah volcanic eruptions had been happening for thousands of years. um And sometime around 1995 BC, it experienced an unusually violent eruption, ah one that has now been named the Avellino.
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avelino eruption which is said to have shot millions of tons of superheated lava ash and rocks about 22 miles into the sky and it would have destroyed almost every village house or farm within 15 miles of mount vesuvius so that was like way before pompeii
00:25:36
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That's crazy. You say 1995 BC? That sounds crazy. I was like, that was... I kept being like, how how are these dates working? Because I was like, 1995.
00:25:50
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it's the negative It's the reverse of your birth year. It's the negative. Yeah. I was like, wow, that's a really long time. yeah Okay. So 2000 years before...
00:26:02
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Zero-ish. Crazy. I think so, right? That's how that works? It's so confusing to me. Hey, I find some podcasters have an even harder time with it.
00:26:16
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I mean, we're just as young as the Americans, and you should hear them be like, wait, 1100 is a year? Like, oh, I can't comprehend this. I'm like, yeah, it was like medieval times. god. I've seen the shows.
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but They had like... People have to be playing that up. Like, you think we just started at 2000 and something? Sometimes I wonder how long they think the American colonies were there before they had the revolution. shit They're like, 1500s? Nobody was here. You're like, well, definitely there were a lot of Native Americans.
00:26:55
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Anyway, I'm not trying to disparage our... American podcast counterparts. But I will say, because we get maybe because we watch a lot of American TV, but we seem to know a lot more about their geography than they grasp about ours.
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Absolutely. Definitely. yeah
00:27:18
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The area around Mount Pescevius, I guess, was particularly perfect for growing olives, grapes, and other crops. And the wine from Pompeii was often, like, bottled or whatever and sent back to Rome and sold to some of the richest families.
00:27:37
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hell yeah. So it must have been very good wine. Wine and grapes. Good region for it, yeah. We're like, we get so cold, we can make ice wine. Yeah.
00:27:51
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That's cool. So the Mount Vesuvius eruption 79 AD. Okay. in seventy nine a d okay Yeah, so there's some arguments about, like, what day it occurred, but they all kind of agreed that it happened that year.
00:28:13
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yeah the calendars were not as clear Sometime in August, I think it said. That would make sense. and They just weren't all on the same, like, exact date.
00:28:25
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on their calendars yeah this uh buried the city of pompeii under a thick blanket of ash um it started shortly after noon when the volcano erupted for a second time this time setting up or i think there was like
00:28:47
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rumbling yeah there was like kind of two things so yeah shortly afternoon the volcano erupted this time sending up a plume of ash rock and scorching hot volcanic gases straight up into the sky
00:29:04
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okay Sorry, my dog was barking. I was like, Pat's gonna get him. Yeah, we're good. um Okay, so there was two eruptions that I didn't know.
00:29:15
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There was, like, something that happened, and then there, because there was, like, all these little... Mini ones?
00:29:26
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Yeah, sorry, i have to go to it. Because I have it later, a little bit later on. Hmm.
00:29:36
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I mean, I know we have a better time like keeping track of them now and monitoring the seismic activity or whatever. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
00:29:47
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yeah um scholars estimate that there were about 12,000 people living in Pompeii and almost as many in the surrounding region um when the eruption happened. happened And the region, this is where I had it, the region had been experiencing a number of small earthquakes, which were shrugged off as tremblers before ah because they were really frequent in the area.
00:30:12
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So I think that was happening. and then sorry the eruption so i think there was only one eruption but there had been like little earthquakes and stuff that had been happening right but i guess if they're used to having that in that region the way that the west coast and like la and them seem to yeah just be like oh there's an earthquake it's like yeah they would get used to it okay yeah
00:30:42
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Survivors described the dust and ash that shrouded the city in, quote, ah darkness like a like the black of closed and unlighted rooms.
00:30:55
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So just like pitch black.
00:30:59
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Blackout curtains. Yeah, i can't imagine just the sky going black. I guess that's like what in an eclipse but I know and they didn't know what the fuck those were they're like yeah right guess we're dead like that man with the guy in the red shirt and that he's old and he's just like shrugging and we see it with Cap oh yeah well guess I'll die now and there's nothing left in the fridge like okay yeah I typed in my symptoms into WebMD guess I'm dying tomorrow I'm like
00:31:35
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I'm already dead. Yeah. that Last week. No point. So funny. I love that. Oh my God. and Yeah. Between that and that movie.
00:31:46
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Oh, sorry. The Pompeii movie. That's all. Oh, I think I might have watched the one with Kit Harington. Yeah. I mean, you know how it's going to end, but Kit Harington, so.
00:32:01
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I can't remember if I watched it or not. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, it was fine. If I have seen it, remember nothing about it except the movie cover. I can picture her perfectly.
00:32:15
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i mean, yeah. Are they embracing? Because it's kind of like, that's how it ends. They're just going to. hold themselves together and watch their doom come upon them. That's how I felt watching that Star Wars one where you know they're all gonna die and you're like, wait a minute, this is a prequel.
00:32:34
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Yeah. That's why i don't really like prequels. I don't really care about finding out what happened before if I already know the ending. ah Yeah. Even if it is like ah set a hundred years before something. Yeah.
00:32:48
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Depending how obsessed I am. Like I'm definitely going to watch that lander prequel, but like, come on.
00:32:56
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ah So, yeah, the eruption is happening, and as the debris that had been funneled into the sky started cooling, kind of in the atmosphere, it began drifting down to Earth.
00:33:10
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ah Most people in Pompeii had plenty of time to flee and were able to escape to safety, which I hadn't heard of before, so that, yeah, i found that interesting.
00:33:21
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Yeah, you do kind of get the impression more like it was a flash... emergency situation. Yeah. That's like the next part which I was like, oh shit.
00:33:35
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ah So the people that stayed behind in the city and in... Oh my god, I knew I was going to have problems pronouncing Oh, yeah yeah Celtic shit. Just wait.
00:33:49
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It's called Herculaneum. herculanium Herculaneum. Yeah. It's like the tap ah Okay.
00:34:01
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Hercul... Like Hercules, but then it says Lanium. Herculaneum. Remember when we used to end all of our town names with Lanium? Yeah.
00:34:12
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Crazy. ah Yeah, so there's people that stayed behind. Herculaneum is also right by Mount Vesuvius. They're very nearby each other. yeah um There was also other little towns and villages all around the mountain.
00:34:28
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Yeah. So, yeah, the people that stay behind in any of these areas were suffering through, like, ash clogging the air and making it really difficult to breathe.
00:34:40
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And then some of the buildings started collapsing under the weight of all the ash that was piling on top of it as the city was covered in several feet of So it was a lot. Wow. It got really heavy. It would be pandemonium.
00:34:58
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Yeah. Even nowadays when we have social media and stuff, like you don't always know what the exact best thing is in your situation. Like when you're evacuating because of a fire or something, you're like, yeah I can see it's coming towards me.
00:35:15
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Yeah. Maybe I should go instead of waiting for the like updates on, you know, social media or whatever. You're like, yeah, you're going have to make your own judgment, which is really scary.
00:35:26
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Yeah, like which direction is the best one to go in? Like, you don't know. You're not fucking researcher that can tell the direction the wind direction is blowing it this way something. Like, you're just trying to get out.
00:35:39
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Crazy. um So this is, I think, what I had thought of. I thought this was a whole lot more instantaneous than it kind of seems like it happened in.
00:35:51
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Because it was really the next morning when a pyroclastic flow, which is... A blast of superheated gas and pulverized rock that was traveling about 100 miles per hour ah came barreling down the side of the volcano, and that's what, like, vaporized everything and everyone in its path.
00:36:17
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Oh, shit. Yeah. So, kind of from out of nowhere, from what been doing, just did that. And that was the morning. Like, that was...
00:36:31
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What it it erupted at about noon the one day and then the next morning. So like about 20 hours, I'd say 20 to 24 hours later is when this like thing came out and then it.
00:36:44
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Yeah. And it was that fast. Yeah. Yeah, it's at 100 miles per hour. i don't know my miles now, but I know they're they're usually faster than our kilometers, aren't they?
00:36:59
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Yeah, 100 miles per hour. Or no, 60 miles per hour is 100 kilometers an hour, about that. Oh, okay.
00:37:11
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That'd be like, what, another...
00:37:15
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like not quite fast so yeah yeah maybe 140 150 yeah like yeah faster it's like yeah crazy highway speeds right uh and so that was the second day by the end of the second day pompey was buried under millions of tons of volcanic ash that kind of nope nobody was getting out at that point
00:37:46
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ah About 2,000 people that lived in Pompeii died ah within the city while the eruption killed up to 16,000 people when combined with neighboring towns and villages in the region. Wow.
00:38:02
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And Pompeii's the only one I have ever heard about.
00:38:07
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ah You mean like, not that they killed from the other towns? Yeah, like I've never heard any of the other town names or anything. You only ever hear about Pompeii.
00:38:18
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And more people died in all the other villages than in Pompeii. Right, yeah, even the... I don't think I would know the volcano name if they hadn't featured it on Friends when Joey gets the door-to-door salesman.
00:38:35
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that's pen or teller whatever. He's like, I can afford the V. He's like, you guys want to talk about Mount Vesuvius? I'm like, it's so stupid.
00:38:48
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Anyway, we've been rewatching friends. So expect some early two thousands weird references. Cause you're like, Oh yeah, that was a while ago. No,
00:38:59
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that' I just remember when like Chandler gets that portable laptop and he's like, it has, I think it's supposed to be like Excel spreadsheet or something on it. He's like, I can change the font and the colors of the columns. And I was like, oh my God.
00:39:13
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I was like, God damn it. This is so painful to watch. It's the whole plot point of who knows what Chandler does. It's all data, whatever. and He checks the weeners. Yeah, that's so funny.
00:39:27
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Or when he's just smoking in his desk, but then he's spraying that air freshener, and then the one time he goes to do it, he accidentally sprays the air freshener in his mouth. I think we're probably just about to get to there, because we've been watching the later seasons. i was like, oh yeah.
00:39:43
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I like it when Phoebe gets together with um Paul Rudd's character.
00:39:49
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Paul Rudd just makes everything better. Right? He's so funny. Okay. Yeah. yeah his ses And he has not aged. Holds up. i sounds not husband i I said, okay, does he look the same? Doesn't he rain? And she goes, well, who is that? And I was like, well, it's Ant-Man. And she goes, okay.
00:40:12
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Like I need a zoom in of like crow's feet or eye wrinkles. I need something. i need full HD. Yeah. Yeah. As clear pictures as you can of him in some of these movies and like him within the last couple years and I need know that side by side.
00:40:30
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Yeah, you can do the side by side. Like there's a scene in one of the latest Marvel movies at the end where i went, oh God, that lighting, like really, it's like when you go to the bathroom at work or something, you're like, oh my God, I'm a hag.
00:40:41
Speaker
But like... Then you do those quizzes online where they're like, is this older Paul Rudd or is this younger Paul Rudd? you're like, oh no, you've not done that. No, it's impossible.
00:40:54
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He'll be like 10, 15 years older in the right picture. And you're like, well, yeah. His hair is gelled and spiky. the same. It's the same picture.
00:41:06
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Yeah. That's why it's like I need full HD pictures of Paul Rudd from every year going back from like the late 90s to this year.
00:41:18
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Totally. Yeah. ah so I hadn't heard of this before but I guess it made sense some people after the eruption did try and return to Pompeii and Herculaneum and they tried to search obviously for lost loved ones relatives and try and collect some of their belongings but like with that blast um especially that like pi pyroclastic flow um there was like superheated gas there a lot of stuff was like incinerated and uh destroyed so there was virtually nothing left for them to find and these like towns were basically abandoned for centuries it's almost like in terms of
00:42:14
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explosions because that was pat's specialty in the military um like it had a long like fuse almost and then it's as if it then went off all at once with that with that big blast that pyro clastic or whatever pyroclastic flow um That's my new band name, but yeah. It's crazy.
00:42:38
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Yeah. That's nuts. ah Well, it has had mega eruptions before. on As I talked about, like, the one. So, and then in between that, like, where do I have it? It just feels like there's not too many that have had a similar...
00:43:02
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situation
00:43:06
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don't know here it is so st helens yeah uh mount vesuvius has experienced 27 serious eruptions between 79 a.d when the pompeii eruption happened and 1944 or 1944 r nineteen forty four plus 1944 yeah yeah sorry had to think of it yeah 27 like serious eruptions let alone like smaller ones and then the last major eruption was in 1631 i guess this is like the biggest one since pompeii which killed between 3 000 and 6 000 people and triggered triggered multiple earthquakes and a tsunami so that's fun
00:43:56
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like Right. Oh my god. But it's it's crazy how people will be like, oh yeah, um Yosemite or Mount St. Helens and all the ones, they'll be like, they're due they're due for an explosion or whatever, an eruption rather.
00:44:16
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And then like, I don't know, I'll listen to a podcast or whatever that's like... um was 30 seconds to midnight or whatever on our podcast network was a really good one about um she was educated in like infectious disease and stuff like that so she could talk about the different like here's bird flu and like you know what i mean like or like is this one like really gonna wipe us out or whatever and then yeah they were like you know the people that monitor the seismic activity said there's really nothing going on
00:44:49
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to be concerned about around like Yellowstone and whatever but people will just kind of like still kind of want to be worried about and freak out about the ones that they want to freak out about because if it went off it could be like really devastating to us nowadays of course but Yeah, I think there's warning signs. Like this one they were talking about, there had been frequent earthquakes happening like in like, even the years leading up to it, um that people have been
Rediscovery and Preservation of Pompeii
00:45:18
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disregarding. so Things we know to look for now, I would say, for sure. Yeah, and we got all these like scientific equipment that can measure it, even if we can't feel it at surface level, they can tell it's happening underground, which is good.
00:45:34
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better equipped I think but yeah it's still scary yeah for sure ah so I guess a lot of what we know about Pompeii comes from this guy has a crazy name ah pliny Pliny the Younger my god there's a younger I've always heard of Pliny or Pliny the Elder or whatever yeah yeah that's his uncle Really?
00:46:03
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Okay. They are related. They're not just two people named Pliny the something. I always was like, okay. This guy. so ah Pliny the Younger, he was a, I think some stuff said he wrote about what he saw 17 years after the eruption.
00:46:26
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And then others things said he was 17 years old at the time of the eruption. So I'm not sure. um I'm going with that he's 17. Okay, so like either he was around at the time and wrote about it after or like he wrote about it at the time it happened. It was obviously very close the time happened either way.
00:46:47
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Okay. Yeah, so he survived the eruption and much of what we know about the city of Pompeii and its history is thanks to his writing and eyewitness testimony. ah He actually watched the eruption from across the Bay of Naples.
00:47:03
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um So relative safety. um It doesn't sound like they were in danger across the bay. So they were kind of watching and being like, oh, shit.
00:47:16
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And he described the plume as, quote, a cloud of unusual size and appearance and described it as ah pine tree that rose to a great height on a sort of trunk and then split off into branches.
00:47:33
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Yeah. so like that was his best description of what the blast of it actually erupting looked like looked like yeah before we had terms like mushroom cloud and stuff i mean and it probably did look different yeah so i guess this is interesting like He described it well enough that today geologists refer to this type of volcanic blast as a Plinian eruption.
00:48:03
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So like they could tell what kind of eruption it was based on his description, which I thought was kind of cool. Dang. Because we might not have ever known. Yeah. So it's a Plinian eruption. I did not know that.
00:48:16
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I love a good word origin and way to make your mark there, Pliny. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, like, I don't know if it's partially named after him, because it's like, yeah, it's like P-L-I-N. So, yeah,
00:48:34
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yeah but like, they've seen these other types of eruptions in volcanoes now. So it's like, yeah, the they know what kind of eruption it was, which I think is interesting.
00:48:46
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And then, yeah, his uncle, Pliny the Elder, was a commanding officer of the Roman fleet. And he helped use his boats to go across the bay and see what was happening during the eruption.
00:49:00
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And he tried to, like, calm some of the panic and, like, mitigate what was going on. And I guess he stayed there a little too long because he, unfortunately, was killed from the toxic gases that came down the next morning.
00:49:16
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dang yeah so he went there to try and help and find out what was going on and then he yeah the gases i guess killed him are the craziest stories right from the the front lines so to speak like the people that were the last ones to see something like when i heard about rock slide ones where they're like oh and then i saw it coming for me and like somehow you have their words but they didn't like make it and you're like damn, you witnessed history. Yeah. Or like people that make out by their skin to their teeth, so to speak. like
00:49:54
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Some of these survivors you're talking about, it's crazy. It's just unbelievable.
00:50:04
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um So the ruins of Pompeii were abandoned from 79 AD to 1748. damn. A god damn ah very long time.
00:50:18
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like Over 1800 years. Nobody cared about restoration during those times. They just wanted to keep their own heads. Right? I think so. This was when a group of explorers quote unquote rediscovered the site.
00:50:36
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And so underneath all the ash, they were surprised to find that what remained of Pompeii after the blast had survived mostly intact.
00:50:47
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The buildings, artifacts, and skeletons were preserved, actually, under all of the ash um when they ended up being able to like ah excavate it. That must have been crazy. So so so like all the ash and everything had helped like destroy it from the weight.
00:51:03
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um What did survive that initial blast like um ended up getting preserved by the same thing that destroyed it. which Interesting. crazy time capsule like as if you're a ah fossil or something just perfectly preserved.
00:51:23
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Crazy. Yeah. um ah The bodies of Yeah, like the Pompeii bodies are probably what it's most famous, or the bodies of men, women, and children, and even animals that lay frozen where they fell.
00:51:41
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um Many trying to clutch valuables in each other in their final moments. Oh. Dang. Yeah. um The remains of the city have been a source of fascination and study ever since, and they've taught us a lot about everyday life in like this very, very ancient world.
00:52:02
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Because it was so well preserved. Right. And... Yeah. Archaeologists have uncovered jars and preserved fruit and loaves of bread, even.
00:52:15
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i think one of the jars... Most of the sources pointed out one of the jars was even recently sold at an auction, I think. Oh, wow. And I... I think they recommended you not eat what was inside of it. So I don't i don't know how it how it went, but they did sell off a jar of food, unquote, that had been preserved like 2000 years ago.
00:52:43
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That kind of preserves. Oh my lord. Yeah. Not...
00:52:52
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One sniff and you dead The old cake from the royal wedding or whatever.
00:53:00
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yeah There's apparently an and query and an antiquarian it's had few different uses. that was built between nineteen um nineteen eighteen seventy three and eighteen seventy four and it's had a few different uses When it was first built, it acted as an exhibition area for artifacts from the ruins that I think they were trying to sell to people.
00:53:33
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oh And then, yeah, it seemed very weird. ah was on their website even. I'm like, this isn't very clear about what you guys were doing. But, well.
00:53:44
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Yeah, especially if it was back in the day where people would just... take a brick or a rock or something they're like a murder happened a souvenir you know ah figure that's what i think was going on because i mean it's like the 1870s probably and it expanded in the 1900s uh and had like information to help guide visitors through the history of pompeii before the eruption And then it ended up closing for a long time. Like, there was closures during World War two and because it was damaged pretty severely.
00:54:20
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and then again in 1980, it was closed after an earthquake happened. And it didn't reopen after 1980 until 2016.
00:54:32
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So 36 years later, it reopened as... know, I was like, what? like Weird. ah Yeah, it reopened as a visitor center in a museum venue.
00:54:48
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okay. So... Yeah. um The excavation of Pompeii has been ongoing pretty continually, I think, since 1748 when it was rediscovered.
00:55:02
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And it is designated as a UNESCO World Heritage Site. Oh, hell yeah.
00:55:09
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Those came up so much. And yeah, my travel program at the community college or university there. i never remember what it stands for, but I was like, oh yeah, they like to preserve those sites.
00:55:23
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It's either historically significant or, you know, ah preservation of a certain like ecological area. Like it's got some significance they want to preserve.
00:55:35
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Yeah. That's they had to come up with such a long acronym to incorporate all the different sites they want to keep. But it's cool. It's very cool. Like, you know, be like Stonehenge and all those kind of places. so Yeah.
00:55:50
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Yeah. That's awesome. um I already talked about the next part was that there had been like, ah yeah, it's still considered one of the most dangerous volcanoes in the world.
00:56:02
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It experienced 27 serious eruptions between 79 and 1944, with major eruption being in 1631, which killed between 3,000 and 6,000 people and triggered multiple earthquakes in tsunami. which killed between three thousand six thousand people and triggered multiple earthquakes in a tsunami And as you kind of mentioned, like, experts believe that we are overdue for another catastrophic eruption at any time.
00:56:26
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um and they are closely monitoring the situation and, like, all that kind of stuff. So I'm sure we could get pretty good warning. Yeah, I think overview might be something we use a little too often or casually. I don't know. Yeah, they can track it, but it's so hard to predict, right?
00:56:49
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Yeah, I don't know what kind of pattern it's had over like these over 2000 years, if they can tell what other i mean, if they can tell it ah erupted in 1631 as well, then like,
00:57:02
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I'd be interested to find out, like, how how often it's erupting or anything like that. And then be like, oh, has it been, like, 100% dormant or, like, what's been going on in that time? Yeah, what could have triggered it maybe then or something.
00:57:18
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Yeah. um But now, like I guess there's nearly 3 million people that now live within 20 miles of Mount Vesuvius.
00:57:28
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So that is kind of in the blast zone of like wow all the other earthquakes or sorry all the other eruptions. It killed all the people that lived between ah about 15 miles away. And now there's about 3 million people living 20 miles within it. So...
00:57:50
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it's a lot more but it said that they have procedures and everything in place that ah they don't think there would be many casualties other than like just the um like commotion and stuff that might happen sounds like at least we're better prepared or aware yeah yeah I don't know all about the like early warning systems and stuff that they have but yeah
00:58:22
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We know a lot more now about natural disasters. so probably like that I think I mentioned that place that was in like Finland or something that has it's in a fjord bottom of the fjord or something so they're like, well if this starts to go, like this chunk of mountain then you guys should probably get out because it's like fallen before all that jazz. That'd be too scary for me to live in a place like that. I don't know.
00:58:51
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but Yeah, we're we're pretty well protected here. i mean, we had, what, there was an earthquake recently in our province, like, a few weeks ago that was, like, a decent magnitude, but does not happen very often at all.
00:59:09
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No, I wasn't even aware of that. Yeah. Yeah. Calgary. Calgary had like five point something. So, yeah. they? Huh.
00:59:19
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Yeah. Yeah, I'm positive was five something. And I was like, oh. Yeah, we don't get a lot here. I mean, we're starting to get a lot more like hail and stuff, but we'll...
00:59:32
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I think it'd be impossible for us to ever have a tsunami. We don't get a lot of tornadoes or hurricanes, really. so No, that's why Pat likes it, because it's kind of landlocked and stuff. and There's mountains. Yeah, we don't have the colds and like the type of pressure systems kind of that you need.
00:59:51
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was like, don't get me started on not having the cold. This is the coldest place I've ever lived. Just kidding. Yeah. yeah I know you mean, like a cold front or like a change or whatever. hi guys.
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Introduction to Celtic Traditions
01:00:31
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And we're back.
01:00:36
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so after you've all gone to watch Pompeii with Kit Harington we're going to come back some Celtic traditions and i don't know stuff that's going to make you go want to watch Outlander or something no
01:00:55
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but you need to have an Outlander ah like a swear jar but it says Outlander and every time Lana talks about it. She has to put like a nickel in.
01:01:07
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Like Schmidt's douche bag jar on a new girl. Oh, yeah. And every time he's a douche. I forgot told Jorraine was like, I need my, basically said i need my own drinking game for every time I mention a new podcast or something like that.
01:01:24
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I think so, yeah. I was like, sorry.
01:01:31
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ah But this is actually Celtic apparently predates Scotland and Ireland. So that's kind of cool. And also I've always found a little bit confusing too.
01:01:44
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Yeah. Yeah. I'm always like, is it Irish? Is it Scottish? It's like, well, it was before all that. So maybe that's why it's a little, you know, but,
01:01:56
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um but Yeah, kind of part some of us darn white folks' heritage. oh and that... I'm Scottish. Right?
01:02:09
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I'm Scottish. Yeah, because your last name's Scottish? or No, our last name's Norwegian. Yeah, okay, that's the Scandinavian part, because it's got the sun in it.
01:02:22
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Yeah. We're the sands, not the sons. See, that's... i You know, I'm always like... How do I remember how to spell hers? Not Sutton.
01:02:35
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The Sains. Yes. um Yeah, I don't know. I don't know where we got it in ours, but there's English, Irish, Scottish, or German, and French, and all of those.
01:02:48
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Yeah. In our background. Yeah, I didn't really know who the Celts were. or whatever, but they're like a collection of tribes, so that makes sense.
01:03:01
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um Okay, so they had origins in and around Central Europe and shared a, quote, similar set of languages, religious beliefs, traditions, and culture.
01:03:13
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ah So I guess the tribes may have made been made up by the... I'm probably going to pronounce some of them wrong, but the Gales... the Gauls, the Britons, the Irish, and the Galatians.
01:03:29
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And yeah I'm like, I didn't get too far into it because I felt like it was his very history. It's bogged down, but it's interesting too, you know?
01:03:39
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Yeah. Yeah. Like the Celts were apparently the largest group in ancient Europe, I guess at one time. i don't know.
01:03:52
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I was like, okay, kind of fun fact.
01:03:56
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um And from as early as 12,000 BC... 12,000? 1,200. 12,000. Oh, no!
01:04:07
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oh nos venting times no twelve thousand ah can't do time
01:04:18
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oh god um Even BC confuses me now because I'm like, wait, are we still using that? But yeah. oh You know. 1200 BC.
01:04:29
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They were spreading through Britain, Ireland, France, and Spain. And they often clashed up against them. They're Romans that we mentioned. Oh, okay. The maybe Roman home Holy Empire.
01:04:43
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Homie.
01:04:46
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The homie. Roman homies. Yeah.
01:04:51
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They're all broskies.
01:04:56
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Okay, so, um yeah, I would say mine is more of a culture because the I guess we don't know a lot about the old Celtic, like, Druidic stuff. And as you'll come to learn, that's because they didn't like write a lot of that shit down. Yeah, fair. Yeah.
01:05:15
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Yeah, modern days, we a lot of people have really leaned into the traditions, like Celtic themed weddings and Celtic, like new pagan traditions. So it's very fun. It touches on a lot of things that I really enjoy. So I was very happy to do it on one that comes out on like St. Patrick's Day weekend. i was like, oh, this is going to be really. yeah Yeah.
01:05:37
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Yeah. Very appropriate.
01:05:41
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Fiddly-didee-dee-dee-dee. but um very cool the uh old ancient celts believed in life after death um like i guess doesn't have to do with their druids but they would bury their dead with their worldly goods and also weapons so kind of like the ancient egyptians did and stuff like that yeah Yeah, send them off.
01:06:09
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um In style. The early Celtic priesthood was the Druids. um And they were fans of what they called, I guess, transmigration. i was like, what the fuck is that? But it's reincarnation different name.
01:06:31
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They're like, also called metempsychosis. was like, what? Yeah. No. Psychosis. Metampsychosis? Something like that. Transmigration?
01:06:44
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um like reincarnation. That's easy to remember.
01:06:49
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Yeah.
01:06:52
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So that's cool. That's definitely... something I know that a lot of Asian religions believe in also, but the Irish Celts believed in something they called the Otherworld, which was either in the underground or believed to be on these like little islands out in the sea. Just kind of cool.
01:07:11
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Out in the sea? From a little island somewhere, I guess? I don't know. have more information on it. I'm my own island.
01:07:22
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Well, I guess it's like their little like afterlife heaven. like They would call it, or it was known as the land of the living, the land of the young, or simply delightful plain, or the delightful plain, I guess.
01:07:37
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Oh, I like that one Right.
01:07:43
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We should name our salad dressing. Yeah. sudden value delightful delightful play
01:07:51
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um there was no sickness or death here that they believed in only happiness health and youth i guess they're to me like fairies or something they're like a hundred years feels like one day because they were just so one long long lived or whatever
01:08:11
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So somebody whose name sounds like Poseidon, but is like Poseidonous, said...
01:08:22
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spellcheck had an issue with that. Yeah. It did not like Herculean whatever. I was like, what? Right.
01:08:34
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No, I kept thinking of Herculean because you do hear that word as like, it was a Herculean task, but it was what, Herculeanium? Yeah, it was... Yeah, I kept underlining like so many things. It also, i didn't even end up saying it, but I did not know that people that lived in Pompeii were called Pompeians?
01:08:58
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Pompeians? pompeians I can't even say Pompeians. Okay. Pompeians. It's hard to say. ah Yeah, it also did not like that word. It was like underlined a thousand times.
01:09:14
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It's like, what is this? was like P-E-I-I-N-S. At the end it was like, Pompeians! Not a double letter. Bookkeeper. No.
01:09:26
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No, but my notes would be so mad if I, or the things I'm quoting or the way I'm spelling it, they're like, yes that's the British English spelling or whatever. like Yeah, I'm fucking Canadian.
01:09:39
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I want to spell honor with a U, that's how you should recognize it. Anyway. I'm not salty at all.
01:09:51
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Did I say they fought the Romans? They fought the Romans. Okay.
01:09:57
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They fought Dick Roman. No, that's the guy in Supernatural. Remember they had a character named Dick Roman? No, I don't. Okay. Anyway, it's later season. I'll leave that there.
01:10:14
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But, oh yeah, they believed in life fair after death. That's right. That's where I got to. Reincarnation and the delightful plane where there was no sickness or death. Only happiness and health and youth and 100 years feels like a day.
01:10:28
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And Poseidonists said that all ah Gaulish religion, as they called it, and culture was determined by three factions. And I only thought these guys were cool because they ah very much sounded like, you know, like a current D&D game.
01:10:44
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The factions were the Druids, the Bards, and the Seers.
01:10:49
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Which, like, yeah. And and the the Seers were more often called the Vates, something like that. But yeah, they've it definitely got co-opted into D&D culture, let's just say. ah The druid means knowing the oak tree, which is probably why all their powers are like nature powers and all that.
01:11:13
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But I thought this was funny. At the time, the men and women that joined the Druids might have been tempted to join the Order just because of the tax breaks and to avoid the manual labor. um
01:11:26
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Sign me up. it's I know, it sounds like they they they were the hippies. That was the commune. and They were like, they don't have to pay taxes. you know Yeah.
01:11:36
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And you get the important thing. You get to avoid manual labor. Yes.
01:11:45
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I mean, especially when everything was either the working class or the people that were and born with money. not that it's not still kind of the way, but yeah.
01:11:57
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Some would study for up to 20 years and they learned and committed many verses to heart, but they did not believe in writing things down. Their ways and traditions were all oral, so to speak. I don't know why they had it against like writing things down, but they just did.
01:12:13
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huh I know. i'm such a big reader. I'm like, well, guess I participate in an oral tradition now being that I'm a podcaster, but you know, yeah.
01:12:27
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Kind of strange. Uh, and, uh, as you know, this, uh, cameo came up in yours. and We're going to have ah a Pliny or a Pliny or whatever.
01:12:40
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never know how to say it. But they practiced human sacrifice, and this was according to people like Caesar. Yes, that's Caesar. no, he's getting stabbed in what the internet told me two days. i never remember.
01:12:56
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and oh the Ides of March? That's the 15th of March, yeah. I always remember because that's the after my birthday, yeah. Oh yeah, happy birthday to your mom! Yeah. Yeah, she's the day before you.
01:13:08
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Yeah, which was the same day my grandpa's. I forgot about that. Anyway. I'm sorry. I'm buzz.
01:13:19
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Okay. Happy Pisces. Yes. Crazy Caesar. Oh, boy. Yes. Hey, too, Brutus.
01:13:34
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No.
01:13:37
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Yeah, Caesar and and and i always want to say Pliny. That's just always how I had pronounced it in my head, but I think you're right. It is Pliny. And this is the elder this time who had written about them.
01:13:51
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And in Ireland, it was likely banned the human sacrifice by St. Patrick. Boo. Yeah. yeah um ah they built a bunch of temples this was like post gallo roman period whatever whenever that was many have been found in britain uh gall and parts of modern day france bits of belgium and western germany and italy kind of all over europe a bit but um
01:14:25
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ah yeah trying to decipher like what Celtic oh yeah ktri Celtic literature they were like Basically consists of any writing that were in olden times that were in Irish or Scottish Gaelic or Gaelic or Manx or Welsh or their sister languages of Breton and Cornish. And these are... Oh my god, you know. That's a lot.
01:14:53
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I know! Cornish makes me just think of Cornish pixies. I'm not gonna lie. Straight from Harry Potter.
01:15:02
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um But, like... Oh my God. We and Irish and Irish, which is basically Gaelic. They call it Irish now. And then Scottish Gaelic. Like they're so confusing in their letters. And guess what? I have some of their pronunciations coming up and I didn't look up any of them.
01:15:22
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It probably would have cost me an hour. And then where would I be? I'm still looking up pronunciations. Yeah.
01:15:33
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It's rough, you guys. um
01:15:37
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So, yeah, all those languages and that to say the Celtic literature also birthed ah something they called the Fenian Cycle, which I loved because I thought of Fenrir. Fenrir, yeah.
01:15:56
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But it had to do with the hot hero Finn McCool. Finn McComhale. You know, you've seen that restaurant we had in in town here that was Fionn McCool's or whatever?
01:16:09
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Yeah. ok I don't know how to say it. There's so many different, like... There's that spelling, and then there's yeah this Fionn McComhale spelling, and I'm sure that's also not how you say it, but...
01:16:26
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I had ah legit legend. That just reminds me. Really? There was a customer at work that I was trying to put something aside.
01:16:38
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ah he brought it up, but like, I think his mom was shopping. So we put it under his name for some reason, because I didn't know like mom was with him. And I was like, yeah, what's your name? And he said like, Matisse.
01:16:51
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Matisse. I was like, Matisse? And he's like, yeah, it's Matisse. And then I, like, grabbed the card and I was, like, gonna write it down the name and I was like, sorry, can you just spell that? And he proceeded to spell Matthias.
01:17:05
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M-A-T-H-I-U-S. And he, I was like, fucking Matthias? You coming over here? My name's Matisse. What? Oh, okay. So like, that's his pronunciation.
01:17:19
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I guess He was very young. i was like, oh, I feel like we just totally took the name Matthias and was like, let's pronounce this really weird for my 17 year old son.
01:17:32
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Matisse. Well, mean and it's true that people will, you know, like to have their own unique spellings of things. Hence the whole... was spelled exactly like Matthias. Yeah, that's how I would pronounce it as well.
01:17:50
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Yeah, that's so that's an interesting choice. I was like, But there's ones where like i'm like I read these Reddit posts where they're like, and then my teacher argued with me that it was the my name was pronounced the Spanish way where I'm like, I think I know if it's Nicole or Nachole or whatever it was. like this One of them was, anyway.
01:18:13
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You're like, yeah, don't argue with a kid. Yeah. Yeah, it just threw me off because I was like expecting like different and then as he's spelling it, I got to the end and I went, oh, that's just Matthias. It's like, i don't know what's happening here.
01:18:32
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It's Timothée Chalamet. I'm sorry. All of those names, Yeah.
01:18:44
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oh god i'm sorry i'm dying okay i just had to mention that because you're like i don't know how to pronounce this and i was like oh this literally happened to me earlier today like i'm going to pronounce ah nothing correctly i'm so sorry although it's yeah they do bits about it where they're like how does the irish actually say this you're like oh no but i feel bad i do But they had some cool traditions.
01:19:10
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Yeah. um Yes. So, like, the way that Celtic women would marry for that actual love and choosing their own partner and retaining their own property upon their union was pretty cool. like Good.
01:19:25
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Yeah. Almost, I'm like, I know they had, like, some mashups with Vikings and stuff, but it does remind me of that. Yeah, where, like, women still had rights.
01:19:37
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Yeah. And you're just like, wow, we were so behind the times. Those societies that weren't totally ah patriarchal, yeah. Yeah. um They had something called hand fasting, which I had heard of. but Because of Outlander.
01:19:57
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Never.
01:20:01
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I'm so transparent. i knew it i knew you were going to do it. Because of the guy.
01:20:09
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i only know about that from outlander yes they did feature you're right yeah i learned it was born in ireland and scotland during the celtic period and it's like this binding in the hands and um you can use ribbons like they did in this wedding ceremony that ah In this article looked at.
01:20:35
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But basically it's like, yeah, that you don't need rings. Yeah, just clasp hands and make your vow. And yeah, they made it seem outlander. It was like it was mostly used by people that were not able to get to a church. Like they were mostly rural.
01:20:49
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But then also, I don't know, like this one article said it was also used by like wealthy couples too. So i was like, okay. don't know. That's cute. Yeah. yeah yeah It's like a promise ring or something.
01:21:04
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Yeah. don't know. It's nice. Nice to like, like want to do that with somebody. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Sometimes nowadays there's less courting as you would say yes in the old days, but then sometimes I watch the season of love is blind and I'm like, well,
01:21:29
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they asked themselves all the big questions and they still didn't get married.
01:21:37
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Don't do it. It's a rabbit hole. You don't want to fall down. Oh, this was kind of cool. You could get like hand fast. I guess it's kind just like in getting engaged, I would think today, but it's kind of like it was a trial. Like it's a get hand fast for a year and a day, maybe live together, kind of try it all out. And then,
01:21:58
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I guess at that time you would make the official ceremony or not. I'm not too sure, but it was a trial run. Yeah. Yeah. I think so.
01:22:09
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You don't see that too much in history. That's for sure. It's more like encouraging people to work together.
01:22:17
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yeah The person you have sex with, you marry. They saw your ankles. You are engaged.
01:22:27
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Yeah.
01:22:31
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And then like, yeah. I was going to say like, gay relationships are not a thing. But they were. yeah Yeah, and literally every civilization.
01:22:43
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oh gosh. And some royalty. They just don't talk about it as much. Yeah. Okay, yeah. So that was a, hand fasting was a ah trial run you could do.
01:22:56
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And ah might have been typically done around the time of Beltane or lmas which is the different festivals that we're just about to get to um because it is more um ah modern i guess interpretation of some celtic stuff but people do have fun with it and yeah but yeah they like incorporate so much of it it's pretty cool um and when they don't write down their traditions how the hell are you to know what they were actually doing for the rituals yeah
01:23:32
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Um, so yeah, the neo-pagans of today keep it alive.
Celtic Festivals and Traditions
01:23:37
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There's been sort of a Celtic revival. And, um, in the example of the, uh, wedding ceremony, they would have something that you could call the stone of the jury.
01:23:48
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um a maybe Scottish formed tradition that represented the past plus also the bones of the earth. And then,
01:23:59
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you could have the couple just like hold this stone in their class pans during the ceremony. and then they're like receiving the blessing of the earth through it. And then when the ceremony is complete, what they do is they just throw it in a river or they place it in their garden.
01:24:15
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that's manifest it Cute. Then there's the prayer protection. ah you would also do that. This is still in the wedding ceremony. You can,
01:24:29
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you know, do today if you want to do it. Celtic themed. You can draw a circle of safety to symbolize community and protection, whether it be a circle of stones, flowers, or wood.
01:24:42
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um Say, why not all three? Yeah.
01:24:50
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Love a circle of stones.
01:24:55
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Um, then there's the candle of unity, an ancient, apparently Irish tradition where you light the three candles as one, which represents the fire element for the ceremony element.
01:25:10
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And this ties into the ritual of four elements along with the hand-washing, which is to purify. and then you would light the incense and that's kind of like the air and the fire.
01:25:23
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And there's something to do with sheafs of wheat.
01:25:27
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Wheat? To represent the earth. But now makes me think of there is an episode of Friends where they are trying to name their baby and they do make fun of the name Rain where Ross is like, oh, my name is Rain.
01:25:44
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I have my own kiln and then my dress is made of wheat. Shut up, Ross. Ross, are you a hippie? Your baby's not going to be a hippie. Yeah, pretty funny.
01:25:59
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Sorry.
01:26:02
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um As for the celebrations, this is where we get to what you'll see, ah you know, in pagan stuff nowadays, too. The wheel of the year gets all divided all evenly.
01:26:15
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Which I think makes sense for a calendar because it's just a wheel. It's just a cyclical season change.
01:26:24
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um Yeah. They have four fire festivals to celebrate the sun's transition through the seasons and intersected by the solstices and the equinoxes. And they I like when they start from Samhain, Samhain or whatever.
01:26:40
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so they start with the Halloween-y one. Yeah. Yeah. And then, ah oh yeah, the Solstices and Equinoxes. The next one of those is Imbolc, which is February 1st.
01:26:52
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And then Beltane, which is May 1st. And the one, I always call it Lamas because I can't pronounce the other one. And that's August 1st. um They said the Solstices and Equinoxes celebrations are probably not Celtic in origin, but they are used to fill out the wheel of the year now.
01:27:11
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They might be more like Germanic or Neolithic. um but whatever I think they're still cool they're considered the quarter fest and are Yule midwinter December 21st Ostera March 21st Letha mid slash midsummer June 21st and Mabon September 21st I would say we still kind of like especially in the northern hemisphere when it is so dark we're like we're so happy to celebrate something and we're just
01:27:44
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It's the longest day of the year, you know? Yeah. whatever I mean, it's still on, like, almost every calendar I see. ah so I know, I realize most of these don't apply to people that live in the southern hemisphere, but I guess this is not where most these originated. They're, like, you know, from the UK kind of Europe area, so.
01:28:10
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and they were very important to know the seasons. The Celts used them to use the cycle to know when to plow, sow, harvest, and rest.
01:28:22
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um Obviously, each seat like festival meant something different. like Samhain was the final harvest, the which could honor our ancestors. And it was a fire fest and it was the beginning of the new year in some pagan traditions, not the January that we use now, which is interesting. Yeah. It was like, okay, now it's the dark half of the year that's starting.
01:28:49
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And then you get Yule, which is the shortest day. The nights are getting slowly shorter. whatever it's dark it's the solstice and then that was uh about the return of sun to the earth which then they you know used to make christmas or whatever because that's just kind of handy.
01:29:16
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But then the next one is the one in February that's in bulk or candle moss. So it's the festival of fire and light and it most often celebrates Bridget and it's the midway between dark and light. So it's between winter and spring.
01:29:32
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And that's why it's the festival of purification, light, fertility, and new beginnings. And when you start to get your, and you know, the breath back because you're like the sun is coming yeah that's when always feels better
01:29:55
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that is the next one coming up Ostara which is the spring equinox so that at the time of this recording coming out should be like next week's episode around the 21st
01:30:10
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um it symbolizes new life day and night are equal light is overtaking overtaking darkness sorry yes finally i know it's already getting so bright here that i'm like um i need my uh full face masks yeah your guys room faces the So bright. Other direction for me, so... You know, I've been like, why have I not bought blackout curtains yet?
01:30:48
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Yeah. That's a me issue.
01:30:53
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i mean, I have a blanket safety pin to my blinds, so... very... yeah no we have run past real old army blankets up like ah over our blinds as well i'm like what it literally has little ties on it it has little strings so i just mine's just mine's just safety pinned i'm afraid to take it down because i used to have pillowcases that i had up and the pillowcases were up long enough that the sun like
01:31:25
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bleached the um it yeah bleached the pattern of the blinds onto the pillowcase so there's like all these lines on it were they just white pillowcases No, they were brown. It was like nice, like, satiny brown ah that And I was like, oh no, it wrecked the book.
01:31:51
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They're all sun bleached. So now i i have had the blanket up now for at least five years. So was like, oh my god, the blanket, the backside of the blanket's probably bleached out too now.
01:32:07
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but I don't know what it is. They didn't have full blinds in all the rooms when moved in here. and And Pat's not like a total bachelor. oh no, no, no. I saw yeah Gordo was getting up.
01:32:24
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I'm just like, we have some art on the wall and stuff and that's cool. But like for some reason we have let these blinds go and I'm like, I don't know how I'm living like this. Yeah.
01:32:36
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Yeah. It does get bright. That's the thing. then have to put my eye masks on. In my room, like, we have the the alleyway, too. So we have streetlights in the alleyway. Oh, yeah.
01:32:53
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And my garage lines up perfectly that it doesn't block any of the light. So the the streetlight is, like, directly into my window. Oh, shit.
01:33:05
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oh Okay, so this is like, yeah, we had our last place was like that with the the backyard. Is that where the light is, giving the problem?
01:33:17
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Yeah, it's from the alleyway.
01:33:21
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And then just in the summer when it's so light, up until so late in the evening, it really comes in because my the bedroom faces south.
01:33:32
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So, like, it just has the light all the way from, like, early morning until late evening. Yeah. yeah No, no.
01:33:49
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That's rough.
01:33:54
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Pardon me.
01:33:57
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Alright. I'm the problem. I'm the problem. It's me. It's not Gordo. Oof!
01:34:06
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Um...
01:34:09
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Okay, yes. Yes, so what we were... ah We about to enter into... is the spring equinox, Ostara.
01:34:20
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And we are happy that light is overtaking darkness. I think that's what got us on our topic. But then the next one coming up after that one, because that's end of March, is the Beltane or May Day holiday, which is a cross-corder festival that is fire-related and honors fertility of the earth.
01:34:46
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Anyway. Human sacrifices! I found this one funny because I was like, I'm sure this is the one that... term Anyway. Put it in the Outlander jar.
01:35:00
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Claire goes back during Beltane the first time, I'm pretty sure. Because they have to go back during ah one of the festivals. um One of the times.
01:35:10
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Yeah.
01:35:13
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That's probably how I first got interested in it. I don't know. But this site did say it was a time of lust, passion, fire, and abundance. So I was like, ooh.
01:35:27
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Oh my god. Sorry. Alright. That's spring. Okay. And um the next festival is Letha or Midsummer, which is cross-quarter fire festival, the longest day of the year, and when light wins over darkness.
01:35:48
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And sometimes called the light of the shore. And we've all seen Midsummer, or so. Yeah.
01:36:01
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You know. I guess you could take it that way. Um, no, but there's also Mabon, the Quarterfest, which is another equinox. So this is like in the fall.
01:36:12
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um I forget what date I said, but the Thanksgiving time, second harvest, the days and nights are equal again. And they also call it the light of the winter.
Spring Symbols and Personal Stories
01:36:24
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um so the one that we were able to celebrate next, the Ostara on the 21st Traced back to ancient pagan traditions like Germanic Celtic, and named after the Germanic goddess Eostra.
01:36:42
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That might be how you say it. I think this one where they get the name for Easter To be honest. it's Just the way it's spelled. Eostra, or whatever.
01:36:52
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yeah um But the name evokes the dawn and means the burgeoning light of spring and embodies the cyclical rhythm of nature's rebirth. And in pre-Christian times, communities across Europe gather to honor Eostra and celebrate the vernal equinox, heralding the return of warmth and fertility to the land. I'm all for the warmth.
01:37:17
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all of it yeah
01:37:21
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um so yeah it's again like a triumph of light over darkness and the vernal equinox marks a moment of perfect balance where day and night are in harmonious alignment this symbolic equilibrium mirrors the inner balance we strive to achieve in our lives as we navigate the ever-shifting currents of existence and austera symbols such as eggs hairs flowers serve as reminders of the eternal cycle of life death and rebirth inspiring us to embrace change growth and transformation not not chickens and bunnies and uh but totally though because they're like hairs and i'm like you mean like the easter bunny right
01:38:09
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ah right
01:38:12
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It's just so funny. Everything's been like, no, no, it's totally Christian. Or that's because the Easter Bunny lays his eggs. And we're like, that makes no sense. Right?
01:38:26
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No, it's because they steal everything. Yeah. we had Yeah, exactly. It gets co-adopted and all that. and Yeah. Yeah.
01:38:38
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Yeah, obviously there's tons of, like, I even have, one of the books I sit my computer on has, it's the Hearthwich one with different recipes and stuff that you can do for the different, like, celebrations of the year. And it's just so fun to look into. But um I won't bore you guys with all the details. Basically, for the spring, they're like, you can use different plants and herbs by, like,
01:39:04
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planting or keeping around the different kind of flowers, like spring flowers, like daffodils, tulips, and crocuses. Um, and they represent renewal, growth, and awakening of the earth from its winter slumber.
01:39:23
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Um, it also seems to be where we get like the, the soft pastel colors, you know, yellow paint, all that. Right? I'm like, that's so ubiquitous with, like, spring and Easter and stuff now, right? Absolutely, yeah.
01:39:41
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I went to where was I? Like, Shopper's Drug Mart, like, the drugstore, because they have a decent selection of nail polish, and I was trying to get the colors to make the Cadbury mini eggs nails.
01:39:56
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was like, After 20 minutes of trying to match colors, I was like, why am I doing this? Like, I'm about to spend like $60 on nail polish for Easter?
01:40:08
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No. How often am I going to use yellow nail polish or green nail polish otherwise? I was like, no, I'm not doing this. And I put it all back. guess, unless you get the points. I don't know.
01:40:21
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don't know. You do. Yeah. I was like, especially because everything was going to be like, I normally wear like kind of more glossy like nail polish and these were going to be like matte, almost finished, like the pastel colors. I was like, how often am I ever going to wear these colors again other than maybe the purple?
01:40:42
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how often Yeah, you don't do like a fancy manicure or nothing. like No, I sometimes paint my nails, but ah normally do...
01:40:54
Speaker
Yeah, more like, I don't know, like, I like sparkly nail polish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like metallic nail polish. I don't like matte colors. And I was like, why am I standing here trying to, thinking like I'm going to spend $14 on each color ah to wear these once or twice a year? Like, no.
01:41:15
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Like, am I doing this? Yeah, you just buy the nail polish and I'm like, Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes it's like, does it even have to be that crazy good when you're like, oh, I paid $50 to get a ah manicure or something and I'm like, what?
01:41:34
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Yeah. That seems crazy. i don't know.
01:41:40
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Yeah, you can just paint your nails. Right?
01:41:47
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I used to Rain do it when she was a kid. um yeah oh yeah anyway um so yeah I don't know basically next weekend and we should all be happy with that spring is here and the bunny is there it literally says hare takes center stage as a symbol of fertility abundance and the playful energy of spring um sure I wouldn't have ever thought that before
01:42:20
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It's kind of funny. It made me think of a Sinisterhood when they were like because they're based in like Texas and they're like, oh, they're talking about an animal that's from like Australia, like the Kawaka whatever.
01:42:35
Speaker
i think they're fairly cute, but like they're not super common like the um yeah kangaroo. ah so they were like, is it like a possum or something?
01:42:47
Speaker
No, not a possum. Right? They're like, no, it's super cute. You don't see it all the time. They're like, I wonder if it's just something you see, like, not all the time, like a bunny or something. Like, here, so it's like a treat when you see it, like Christy says. and I was like, aw.
01:43:02
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i was like, ah before I even moved to, like, Alberta, I never saw, like, bunnies or rabbits anywhere. And i when you move here, you see, like, jackrabbits out in the wild. Or going home from work. Sometimes it's in my parking lot. It's so weird.
01:43:18
Speaker
i don't know. Yeah. You do not see that in eastern in Canada. We don't get bunnies or jackrabbits or anything like out in the wild. like Really? It's so weird.
01:43:31
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Yeah, not at all. Or magpies? Maybe it's more of a like a prairie thing. oh yeah, totally. Coyotes? I thought coyotes were huge like wolves.
01:43:42
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And then like come out here and then like we see some of them walking on our dog and stuff and I'm like They're tiny. Yeah, but they can be vicious.
01:43:54
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I don't want to, like, meet one or anything. I'm just, like, I thought they were, like, as big as, like, wolves. I don't know. It's weird.
01:44:04
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um
01:44:08
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Yeah. any Okay. Okay. couple more, I guess, Ostera things and then we can wrap it up. So you can use some traditional food like ah her that represents the seasonal delights.
01:44:23
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They might include eggs, fresh greens, dairy products. Um, cause they of course represent fertility, rebirth, and the potential for new growth.
01:44:35
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Um, And all that kind of stuff. I have a bunch of recipes in my thing. ah If you make an altar for Ostera, they're like, make sure to include spring flowers. As mentioned, you could use their your pastel colors, symbols like the eggs, nuts, nests, or honor Ostera herself with some of her images and statues or symbols such as cream, milk, seeds, eggs, or grains as gratitude. i remember we had a little
01:45:06
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bird nest on her our thing one year and i was like oh my god you're like porch light wasn't it yeah i was like it's a robin's nest so crazy yeah i'm like make your home here um
01:45:27
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i think they all lived i don't know um Oh, you you will like this. You can also honor the season by planting some seeds and for ah springtime ritual, ah renew your home. You want to throw open your windows.
01:45:43
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Let the air in. Yes. That was me. The other day, i had to put a sweater on. And then, because it was it was still a little cold outside. And I was like, no, going to sit in my house with all my windows open. I'm going to do it. And Gorda was loving it. He was sitting right in front of the window. Because I have one right by a scratching post. And he was sniffing the air. didn't care.
01:46:06
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thought I felt cold. I was freezing. i was wearing a sweater. Today little chilly. Yeah. Yeah. Wearing a sweater and then it was, I don't know, midday and was just like, no, I've had enough and I had to close all the windows.
01:46:21
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Yep. I was sitting there shivering on my couch like, this is worth it. Fresh air.
01:46:31
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and trying to make some Macy Gray thing. I try to breathe and i choke. No. Stupid. Stupid. um Yeah, totally. It's like, throw open your windows. Everyone's like, rebirth.
01:46:45
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This one was like, this is a good ritual. Clean your spaces. It's like a spring cleaning, but like, for the yeah the new pagan, the witchy in us.
01:46:57
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They're like, clear your spaces, get rid of your dying plants, which I'm like, oh my god, have some in my living room that I... can't reach because he's put them on top of the cupboards oh no now they're dying on one side i have a step stool i have to take out for one of my plants really ah yeah that's dedication As soon as I put it out, Gordo climbs on the stepstool, so I have to save it for last.
01:47:34
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I have to get the water I'm going to water it with ready on the counter sitting there, and then i get the stepstool because I have to immediately go up it and then put the water in and take it right back down, or he'll be sitting up there.
01:47:49
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Goddamn. but He's just like, oh, a stepstool? This is new. I want to sit on here. let me lay on it. Oh, you want to put this away so it's not in the middle of the the floor, but I'm sitting on it.
01:47:59
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Just because everything's about Gordo. I'm just kidding. Yeah. Like he pays rent. He does not. Not jealous at all. He takes up all the limelight. Yeah.
01:48:14
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yeah Oh my god. I honestly it was listening to somebody today and ah for a minute I thought well, that almost sounds like a cat purring. And then I was like, no, I think that's only ASMR in our videos.
01:48:26
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Just a random cat.
01:48:31
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Yeah. Oh my God. He's so funny.
01:48:37
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He can be the sweetest little suck up, but. Oh, same with Fenrir.
01:48:48
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Oh my gosh. Um, yeah, honestly, speaking of cultures, yeah, I like to, uh, let's end on with, uh, talking about the spring ritual, getting rid of is spring cleaning and washing your windows, they say.
01:49:07
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oh my gosh. They are highfalutin think they can get me to wash my windows in one weekend.
01:49:15
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Uh, Yeah, I remember doing that with my mom. We used to take all of the panes off of all of our windows and individually clean them. who has the time for that? What were we doing?
01:49:27
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We had storm windows. Like, i don't know if it was an East Coast thing, but because it would get... cold i don't know we have the extra windows that would end up outside maybe out here you kind almost already have to have windows that are gonna withstand the cold because it can get so fucking cold in alberta but like i think they just have different pains like i yeah felt like was like we had like one normal window was a kid and then like if yeah it would get cold or whatever in the window it was like
01:49:59
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Yeah, then you get your storm and you put an extra like, it felt like window ah outside of yours. It's crazy. Like, oh, cold or you're warm. Yeah, whatever.
01:50:12
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It's Canada, you guys. It's crazy here. Yeah. um The last time I cleaned my windows, it was a couple years ago. Yeah. Because my garden hose has holes in it now. My one, I don't know. i full When I rolled it up, it rolled up weird and it like pinched it and then it like cracked there. So then it was leaking.
01:50:34
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but Oh, no, they're the shittiest. It's not just you. Anyway. um I just took my garden hose and I just used my, like, handle and just, like, power washed the front of my house. and I was like, there, I cleaned the windows.
01:50:50
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Oh, yeah, that makes sense. was like, ah, the outside. Like, just power wash my house. like Like it. che Yeah, it was so efficient.
01:51:01
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Especially because I have white siding, so like dirt and everything gets on the white siding. yeah I know, after Pat like... um like what is it, ah mows the lawn. Sometimes I'm, I have to sweep the sidewalk. And then I'm like out there with the um broom and I'm like, why am I sweeping the side of this the house by the sidewalk? I'm like, it's it's gone all the way up here. yeah it's crazy, right?
01:51:29
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Yeah.
01:51:34
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Well, all that to say... um can definitely embrace the spirit of austera by connecting with the natural world and immersing yourself in the beauty of spring's awakening they suggest take a stroll through a blossoming garden or wooded grove allowing yourself to be fully present in the sights sounds and sense of the season commune with the elements earth air fire and water through outdoor rituals or meditations fostering a deep
01:52:05
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a series of connection and harmony with the earth and all its inhabitants
01:52:12
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sounds nice it does and um i think that's also yeah where ended it because then i you know always find a rabbit hole to fall into and it was like mythology you know maybe that's a different episode I don't know there's quite a bit of fun women warriors apparently in Celtic mythology but I feel like I should probably give it it's proper like I don't know episode or give it it's do it yeah yeah fair enough yeah I don't know I enjoyed yours though as always
01:52:57
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yeah thank you
01:53:03
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all right well hope you guys enjoy it as you don't need to know but we're gonna get this out to you as quick as we can as we're recording it hopefully there's no delay this is our most what like short notice episode i think Yeah, we try to record in like a week out if, you know, preferable, but it's a couple days before we're going to release this on to you.
Episode Conclusion and Credits
01:53:31
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um But that's okay. As long as we, you know, ah get each other to do the editing and stuff. I'm like, okay.
01:53:41
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Yeah. We can do this. Yeah, we'll get it out. Exactly. all right, and I guess we'll see you next week for something a little different.
01:53:54
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But hope you enjoy. it yeah thanks for listening. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
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