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196: Notable Canadian Cases
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Welcome back cryptic cuties, we hope you are having a great summer. Apologies for Kelsey's audio quality, we didn't notice it when we were recording (but ironic given us talking about other podcasts audio in our into), hopefully everyone still enjoys the ep!
Kelsey kicks things off with the tale of Canadian folk hero 'Monica la Mitraille', a successful bank robber who took matters into her own hands in order to provide for her children. Featuring a high speed car chase that sounds like something out of a movie, its hard to believe it actually happened.
Alanna has the low down on the Redpath Mansion Murders, focusing on a wealthy family and the mysterious deaths of 2 of their members. With little evidence and seemingly no motive, it truly is a classic case of whodunit.
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Introduction to Darkcast Network and Hosts
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Darkcast Network. Indie pods with a dark side.
Reflection on Podcast Journey and Listener Shoutout
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Welcome to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm your host, Alanna. And I'm Kelsey. And we just realized we're inching ever closer to episode 200, but this is 196. Yeah, was just gonna say I can't believe between this and Patreon we've done this more than 200 times.
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well over 200 times yeah like who would have thought who would have thought when we were starting out and you said something about like if you make it past seven episodes what the hell was that yeah yeah something about seven i think it was yeah seven episodes then or whatever percentage of people don't even make it past the seventh episode the non-trihards they're just like eh i'm bored and yeah i don't know we didn't know what we're doing we still don't really they were like stockpile six episodes and release them all at once and we're like record an episode how so many um but like pauses and chunks to like edit together and we're like we don't know what we're doing
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No. So oh anybody that's on the been with us since the beginning, kudos to you You suffered. Yeah. It's also fine if you don't start at episode one. Yeah, we'll forgive you.
Technical Challenges and Social Media Importance
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yeah One of these days I'm like, maybe we'll get nice mics too. And then you'll be like whoa, sound quality change. But sometimes people talk about doing that and then i'm like,
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I don't hear much of a difference because unless your audio is super off. We try to at least make sure ours sounds relatively even. Although I know sometimes you can be like kind of a quieter podcast. You're listening to one that's on like a network and then it gets an ad and the ad's like, bam! You're like, ah!
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We don't have ads, so hopefully that doesn't that jarring thing doesn't happen to you guys. but I think sometimes when we insert the dark cast little shout out like spotlight things for the week sometimes yeah i look at their audio in audacity and I'm like oh they're like 300 times louder than we are and I had one once that it came in with like some really heavy like guitar riff and I was like holy shit this is so loud I said if I'm gonna bust the eardrums of our listeners it's all about that bass yeah that big wave energy because it's the audio waves where you see going up and down I was like holy shit we looked really tiny then it just went oh
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my god just take that down about a thousand notches We are quiet sometimes though, too. I'll be going to like edit and I'll be like, surely that's Kelsey just clearing her throat or something. It's a cough. She didn't say something, and but it's just a quiet little like, yeah. and i'm like Oh, okay.
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You know, when you see it on the the blip on the screen, you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, we're talking. Or like, yeah, sometimes I can't hear myself. I don't know. Editing's a bitch, guys. All that to say.
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ah hear editing video editing's even worse, so I haven't done much of that. I can imagine. well I realize it's like it's pretty key. I feel like they're like, you gotta be on TikTok and like at the Instagram reels and different things where you can people can see you and they can get hooked and be discovered and stuff. And then I'm like, I ain't got no video of us recording.
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Not really. ah It turned it on for the last one, so we'll see if I make any clips out of that one. Yeah.
Anecdotes and Childhood Memories
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Maybe Gordo did something cute? I don't really remember, but... I don't know. i know he fell off the desk, and then he already fell off the desk before we started recording today. Now he's on his little cat perch behind me. I kept the audio of that in. that I think that was in the Patreon National Park episode, because... Yeah.
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I had cut out, like, are talk at the first because i was like oh yeah that's when i just turned it on and we were just shooting the shit and talking about funny stuff and then i'm like i'll make that like an extra little one on excuse me patreon but like yeah then the cat be interrupting and i gotta be like oh can i salvage this or do i have to cut this out or Is he just like, thump, thump, thump. And sometimes I'm like, keeping it in, you dumbass.
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Yeah, he's been, I don't know, even worse lately since he decided he can just lay in between me and the mic. And then just, I don't know, be hitting the mic, be trying to paw at the laptop, be trying to bite me while trying to get me to pet him while I'm trying to cover my case.
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don't know. Oh my god. worse than a toddler with their terrible tunes yeah it's like mom mom mom oh my god
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there's some ladies at the at my work uh a couple yeah over the last couple days that their kids literally did that it was like something out of a cartoon going mom mom mom mom Oh, it's very real.
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I'm like, I don't ever remember doing that to my mom. Like, I need your attention this nanosecond. and Yeah.
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Maybe you were never that ignored. I don't know.
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Hard to say. i don't know. and I feel like I would have been hauled out of the store. My dad had like zero patients for...
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Tantrums or acting up in a store It was nope we're going to the parking lot Done oh fuck around There is no warning Yeah there's no warning It's boom we're outside Like Yeah It's the first one like on the phone Um I did learn something this week That could be considered a fun fact That maybe there is something That might or might not exist Called the dead pope hammer Where they supposedly used to hit the... To see if the Pope was dead or not.
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and and Oh no! kind of a timely year to learn something like that might exist. But anyway. Did they hit you on the head with it? Pope!
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Yeah, yeah. two they I was like picturing them hitting them on their knees to see if they get that... Reflex. Yeah, the reflex. Yeah. Which I never have that.
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So I don't know. But, um, who knows? I feel like there's other ways, like testing your pulse or picking you up to a heart rate monitor.
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Honestly. It's hit you with a hammer. There's a bunch of like, hate you with ham almost papal myths or whatever. I swear the one history podcast said,
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Well, I don't think it's exactly true that they have a a chair with a hole cut out of it so that you can feel if the Pope actually has balls. Because that time there might have been a rumor that one of them was a female. It's like, wait, what?
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Oh my god.
Creative Ideas and Canadian Crime Introduction
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Honestly, Pope mysteries. That could be a thing we could do.
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Damn. We get cancelled right here.
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Religion is mysterious. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. Maybe this is so crazy. It's not what I was expecting at all. this our like Roman Empire? I'm just like whatever rabbit hole I fall down that day. Okay. That's just how my mind works. Whatever. Yeah.
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Yeah. down yeah That'd be pretty fine.
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Yeah. um So we, what are we talking about this week? Oh, yeah. Canadian crime. Canadian crime.
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Yes. Our last regular episode had to do with the cold ones, or specifically some yeah older vampire cases. or Now we're dealing with our case cold Canadians.
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Yeah. Cold ones to cold cases. Well, it's like 30 degrees here. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's like 90 for y'all.
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Americans. Yeah. Or something. It's, it's, no, but and it's been rainy too. I don't know. Yeah, that helps cool things down for the evenings and stuff.
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Right. I can't really complain. We get the AC, so. don't know.
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It's different degrees. I don't, but my house isn't too bad. yeah like the basement is cool always no matter if you have anything or it is the first floor is like okay and then the top floor is always a little a few degrees warmer no matter what right um yeah i always hear the my american pod friends being like y'all, it's so hot. And I'm like, I'm sorry about it. That's where you live. I don't know what to tell you.
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and love you. Yeah.
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Cause you're too close to the equator. Yeah, no, but it does get hot here too, though. And humid sometimes. But. Yeah.
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Um, we're a little drier out here in this province than I was ever used to back home. Um, I might be going for a visit. My mom's turning 70 this year and her sister is like, we should throw you a party and all that.
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So. Oh, that's sweet. Yeah. oh yeah. Shout out. I guess by the time this airs, cause my mom's birthday is the 5th of August. So it will have passed.
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Happy birthday. Damn. Yes.
00:11:35
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Oops. That's tomorrow. I you know. ah Tomorrow our time, not your guys' time. Yeah. Happy Leo season. um Yeah. Yeah, she would like for us to go for a visit. And of course we always would like to go for one. So um now that I'm almost done with four-day workweek pilot thingy, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can take off some time or whatever they were just like once you're in it you can't really get out of it which whatever I'm sure you could still ask for time off I just never really asked you know it's just like oh yeah we were trying it I think for like a like a month and a half or something whatever um so yeah oh so they're not keeping it um we were just the first departments and people that got to try it out basically
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So I think they probably will. But you know how ah like our departments range from travel to insurance to registries to the people that are like actually oh doing the roadside calls, like the tow truck drivers, that they didn't roll it out to everybody at first. I don't know.
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It's... Huh. Yeah. Yeah. But although it's early some mornings and I know the winter will be harder. I've been liking it for the most part. But the traffic at 730 is a bit of a bitch. Because I used to go in for 930, not for 8. Yeah. Oh, okay. Right.
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That's different. I know it's two hours more a day. So coming home at 6, whatever, the traffic's fine.
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It's the morning. Yeah. Ugh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, it's nice, though. And then this week, I didn't realize today was at a holiday until somebody said, like, have a long weekend.
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So I i've worked and must work three days this week then, because today is a holiday. And I forget what day I have off. Not tomorrow. But, yeah.
00:13:46
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Yeah. That'd be nice. Yeah. At my work, our head office, they were closed. But then us, us little peons, the the lowly little worker. Right.
00:13:57
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Worked regular hours, not even holiday hours. Yeah. Pat almost psyched me up this morning. hes are you sure you have the day off? I'm like, no, I told you it's like a civic holiday. Like that's what it says on the calendar. It doesn't even have like a special designation. It's just whatever your province decides to call it.
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Yeah, my dad ended up Googling It was like, it's Heritage Day. And i was like, okay, cool. But I think in New Brunswick, they call it like New Brunswick Day or something.
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Alberta Day. Right. Alberta. Yeah.
00:14:32
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Get outside and have a barbecue day. No, but we didn't really do much, to be honest. it No.
00:14:40
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Good old Canada. Yeah. um I wanted my plants. I have some dahlias growing. They're not black dahlias, but they're dark purple. can't wait to see. Yeah.
00:14:54
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They've kind of been growing and they were just sitting in the basement for a while. So then when I realized we weren't planting anything else, I was like, we should probably plant these. And then they were already like trying to start growing. You know how plants will sometimes do that just when you leave them in a dark spot.
00:15:09
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And so they were like the bulbs or whatever. And, and they're starting to go. That's cool.
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That's all that's exciting in my world.
Monica Proietti's Life and Criminal Activities
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I'm watching my flowers and my, my birds eat from my bird feeder and the the squirrel that we call Squirrely Dan. And he comes and eats from it too.
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Nice.
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It's very exciting. Yeah. yeah
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Anyway, I'm ready to get started if you are. Yes, I have a ah fun one. oh really? Well, maybe it's not fun.
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i don't know. Maybe I shouldn't have said that.
00:15:56
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I'm waiting for... know I don't know. We just watched 8 Mile last night. and i have to point out you're wearing a a white tank top, which is very wife-beater-y of you.
00:16:08
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Yeah. I want you to start wrapping your case right now. Go. Just kidding. good My knees are weak. Arms are heavy. Right?
00:16:20
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It's like the most downloaded song. oh my god, you guys. Anyway.
00:16:27
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Too funny. And a kerchief. or What do you call this? I'm sorry. yeah um Like a bandana. ahh Yeah, man. This is just a headband. This is just a straight-up headband. I'm not wearing a bandana today.
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But I do. I do a lot of times wear a bandana tied with a needle. Oh, yeah. It's a cute little, yeah, kerchief look. I love it. Raleigh the... Whoever. The Riveter. Who was that? i can never remember their name.
00:16:58
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Oh, Rosie the Riveter from the wartime. Rosie. Like, not Roxy or... Yeah, yeah the the the the war posters where she's showing her guns off. Yeah. yeah Iconic.
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ah ah So my case is interesting. some consider her to be like almost a folk hero, which was kind of cool. Yeah.
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This is the story of Monica Proietti. a
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Monica? Yeah, Monica Proietti or Machine Gun Molly. Oh my god. I was like, god damn. What a name.
00:17:56
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Yeah. No, I remember we did Machine Gun Kelly and I was like, okay. He was hot. No wonder this other guy calls himself after. But no. Right, yeah.
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I don't remember this chickie. No, this Machine Gun Molly. So Monica Proietti was born February 1940.
00:18:19
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In Montreal, Quebec. Quebec. Really? how you Yeah. We have a bit of a Quebec crossover. Okay.
00:18:29
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That's so funny. i mean, I know we're both in Canada, but what are the chances? Yeah, that's kind of funny.
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ah Her family had like immigrated over and when they had her, they were described as a poor Italian family. And they were living in the city's east end in what was considered at the time to be more of a red light district.
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So not a great area. um To be in, lots of crime. um yeah I guess there was lots of like gambling and drugs and theft and sex work and all that going on. Italians.
00:19:08
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I'm just kidding. I don't know if was all Italians, like if this was more of an Italian neighborhood or not, but... Already it's got a reputation, yeah.
00:19:19
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Yeah. Many of her relatives had been involved in crime, and everything I read talks about her grandmother, who served time in jail for receiving stolen goods, and also reportedly...
00:19:37
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I didn't know this was a thing, but her grandmother also reportedly ran a school for crime where she taught the neighborhood children in the red light district how to do like petty theft and stuff.
00:19:51
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was like, there's schools for that.
00:19:56
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Certainly not rest i like recognized by the school board district. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, what do you mean she ran ah school of crime for neighborhood children? Like, bye mom, I'm going to school.
00:20:14
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the crime school. Yeah, but one does wonder how all those people in like, John Wick and other movies get to be where they How do they get to be one of these girls who's operating the switchboards with all them tattoos and saying who's got the head out on them?
00:20:29
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Yeah. Yeah. Where do you learn that? You start as an intern. You start as an unpaid intern. Oh, yeah. Getting everyone's coffee. Yeah. um You get the order wrong, you get hit in the head.
00:20:44
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like could get a headshot.
00:20:48
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Kenneth from 30 Rock. Aww.
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ah There was a former police officer, I guess, in that area. Um... who was had a little quote i ran across saying that monica's grandmother um was a woman who taught kids how to steal and gave them a cut of the take there was no place for the kids to play in the that district so they roamed the streets begging and stealing and nobody cared about them but you were a cop you could have cared about them She's like running a ah ring of some sort. Kind of, yeah.
00:21:29
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Making them steal and taking a profit. Yeah. Well. A lot of them were, like, doing crime and stuff to provide for their families, which we'll get to, so I mean, that's very often the case. We just don't like to admit it and think about that part of it. Yeah, exactly.
00:21:51
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Mm-hmm. So Monica dropped out of school in grade 5 and turned to her life of crime full-time. And by 13...
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Yeah, by 13 she was arrested for doing sex work, saying that she was using the money she earned to help her family, like financially, and help provide, because she had like seven siblings or something.
00:22:21
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Yeah, yeah so like it was a big family. I don't exactly know where she fell in like age-wise or anything, but... Yeah, she was just doing whatever she could to help provide for them. Okay.
00:22:38
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Yeah. Before birth control. Sorry, I just had to point out. Maybe like the pill, but not condoms and stuff. They've been using those for like fucking 400 years.
00:22:57
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They were just girls. Yes, to varying degrees of success. Yeah. yeah You're right. You're right. um In 1956, Monica, who was 17, married a gentleman by the name of Anthony Smith. He was a 33-year-old Scottish gangster.
00:23:19
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boy. That's what he was described as. They stayed together for
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A little bit. Like Monica and him had two children together named Jeanette and Anthony. And she spent the next few years focusing on helping raise their children. And during that time, she was relying on her husband, Anthony Smith, to provide like financially for their family.
00:23:50
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then in 1958...
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and then in nineteen fifty eight
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um monica's mom got was pregnant um i guess so like monica herself already had two kids and then her mom is now pregnant don't know how old the mom is started young but yeah um so yeah 1958 monica's pregnant mother and three of monica's siblings ah pass away like tragically ah they're killed in this like explosion um that is reportedly caused by a gas leak in the building that they're living in that some stuff said was like um scheduled to be demolished like it was planned to be demolished and stuff um
00:24:51
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And that they were going to be putting in, um like, financial housing or something in the area. ah so But, yeah.
00:25:03
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There was some sort of gas leak and it exploded.
00:25:10
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her mom died? yeah her mom, who was pregnant at the time, and then three out of her seven siblings died in the explosion. Wow.
00:25:21
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What a tragedy. Right? ah One of the sources I read said that she was she felt guilty because she had tried to save more of her siblings from the fire but was unsuccessful.
00:25:36
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So I don't know if that means that she was on the scene and had saved some of her siblings from dying in the fire or not because it was worded very strangely.
00:25:48
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Right. Yeah, I could totally see that. She's still living on the property, but not near enough yeah the kids maybe to help. I don't really know.
00:26:01
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um But she herself believed that the explosion was not an accident and went to the police and let them know her suspicions, but the police wouldn't listen to her.
00:26:14
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Which I mean... feel bad. Ugh. Yeah. Children dying in a fire is just awful. Yeah.
00:26:26
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I don't know how many people were living in the building at the time, but... Yeah.
00:26:34
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um then a few years later in 1962 Monica and her husband Anthony Smith are caught robbing a cafe ah Smith ended up getting deported as an undesirable like citizen and that left Monica to look after their two young children by herself and oh god yeah a That's not good. That's never good.
00:27:07
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That shit's still not good today. Exactly. yeah if people are leaving the country they're born in, it's for a good reason. And, like, if we can help them out. Right?
00:27:21
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Damn, why can't we? You know? Ugh. Shitty. Um, yeah. so she then became what involved with this guy named Vader D.
00:27:34
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Tassir. He was an avid bank robber. And the couple moved into, like, they got together. i don't exactly know when, but they moved into a house together, like a new house together. And they together had another child.
00:27:52
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They named Giles. And... Giles. Yeah. Like Buffy's tutor.
00:28:04
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Yeah, exactly like that. It's just like, I know that name. So this guy, he played a major role advancing Monica's criminal career and activities.
00:28:22
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um And she started kind of being involved with him in robbing banks together um because he was an avid bank robber. He had experience with that.
00:28:34
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So she started helping him plan how to rob future banks. And they did that until like 1966. So for about four years when he ended up getting imprisoned and sentenced to 15 years for armed robbery.
00:28:51
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So now she's alone once again, this time with three kids. o nowadays you wonder if they'd put it on their like dating profile or whatever my love tomorrow bangs we connected over it it was amazing yeah um it's the i do love the episode of modern family where the little kid there joe jay and gloria's son was like can't be more than like five or something and just tells how he starts stealing and he's like oh yeah I steal things now makes my heart beat fast he's just
00:29:34
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like so young and innocent to the points where I'm like okay yeah yeah i get it he gets it on a core level or something i'm just like oh boy yeah they got their hands full with that one he's got the latin blood like they used to think that ah yeah when he was the baby that he was the devil or something don't know not really but there was a whole like plot line where he would i don't know start crying when what I don't know, liberal views were on display or something.
00:30:06
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They were like, what's wrong with him? He gets mad around Cam and Mitch and, you know, the gay ones and whatever. ah Gloria was like, oh no, the men in my family. Sorry.
00:30:21
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Stupid, but it was funny. ah So getting into some more about the robberies. Um, yeah, left alone with her three young kids to provide for, she ends up turning to robbing banks herself.
00:30:42
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Um, starting in like 1967. I guess she ended up leaving her kids in the care of her sister. And then over the course of the next two years,
00:30:53
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um ran pretty successfully they were very busy uh she and this little gang that i don't know totally who was involved in her gang there's only two other people named so i don't know if it was really just the three of them um there's a gerald's la livre and his brother robert
00:31:24
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ah Together, over just two years, they robbed more than 20 banks and credit unions and she stole an estimated $100,000 or about $900,000 today. Damn. So, mean,
00:31:40
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yeah, they did pretty good. They were not bad at it. Yeah. What the heck? 20 banks? Yeah, 20 banks and credit unions.
00:31:56
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um there's Tim Burke a Montreal star reporter wrote quote in her first few jobs she was just the driver or the get driver of the getaway car but when the boys saw how she could handle a machine gun and what icy nerves she had they promoted her um and to that Burke added and like a lot of her male cohorts she didn't need goofballs or booze to get going out on a... Or, sorry.
00:32:26
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Or booze before going out on a job. She made sure to stay away from drug and alcohol use in order to stay focused on the job at hand.
00:32:35
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Wow. She got knee nerves of steel.
00:32:41
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And you just... Yeah, saying goofballs is like... I know, it was like, I forgot that was in this sentence. But it literally... Even in my lifetime became such a thing to call someone a goof in New Brunswick, you know, in Atlantic Canada. yeah. It's like yeah a really offensive term.
00:33:01
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You fucking goof. Like, you like it's like calling someone a douche or something. It's really bad. wow. I don't know how it got it got that way, but it did. So, like, Eastern Canada. didn't ever have that here because it was, like, I don't know, like, goofy from, like, Mickey Mouse and stuff.
00:33:20
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Oh, totally. And it's like, yeah, I know who he is, but I've still heard people say goof with such disdain that you would think it was like a racial slur or something.
00:33:31
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like it's That's crazy. Yeah, it's a really, really bad, like, regional insult, I would say, in the eastern provinces, almost.
00:33:43
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So strange, right? You goof. It's like, oh,
00:33:50
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so bad Yeah, here it must be some slang for like drugs because they say that and she didn't need that or booze. So...
00:34:01
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Yeah, so it was some sort of slang for... don't know. Hard to say. Um... yeah um At the time, even now probably, it was uncommon for a woman to be robbing banks.
00:34:19
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So... um Monica Proietti quickly became famous and turned into quite the folk hero for many of the people of Montreal.
00:34:31
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um There was a bit of conflicting information about how she got the name Machine Gun Molly. um Some things saying that detectives ah started calling her that.
00:34:46
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And then I did run across a couple things that said that guy that um kind of turned her on to like robbing banks and stuff. He's the one that gave her that name. I'm not exactly sure.
00:35:00
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But it is kind of a misnomer because she never actually used a machine gun. Right, right, right. Yeah, and her name's not Molly, it's Monica.
00:35:14
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Anytime we can just get that alliteration out there with that catchy name. Oh, yeah. People are going to do it. It's like, yeah, okay. It's like, sawed off shotgun Sally. No, I don't know.
00:35:28
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Yeah. AK-47 Atlanta. Yeah.
00:35:34
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Actually, AK. That's both our initials. French newspapers at the time had their own name for her, which was a Monica La Mitrielle, meaning like military. um This was more so actually accurate after the weapon she actually began using, which I...
00:36:00
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I should have looked up again to see if I could find a picture of this thing. So her boyfriend, that Gerald guy. um Okay.
00:36:12
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He, she was dating him when she kind of started rising through the bank robbery scene. um She was, he got her, sorry, a gold plated semi-automatic M1 rifle.
00:36:27
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And that's what she began using in the robberies. was a gold-plated rifle. Semi-automatic Molly. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:38
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But gold-plated? Like, what are we um sex I was just like, that sounds pretty badass. And apparently he got that for her after she got nicknamed by somebody Machine Gun Molly. Maybe he knew she loved gold and shiny things. but Right?
00:36:59
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Yeah. my You say don't buy enough gold, girl. Here you go. She's like, I meant earrings.
00:37:09
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But you're like, they're trying. fine you know yeah meant gold bars from the bank. Not again. My gold tooth.
00:37:19
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Yeah. I guess during the robberies, they described her as being quite aggressive. She would like go into the bank she'd be firing rounds of bullets into the ceiling to intimidate those around her um with her signature gold-plated rifle and she was dressed like a man and she had all these different wigs and clothing that she would switch out as disguises so like people didn't she wasn't revealing what she looked like like they didn't recognize her they didn't know who it was
00:37:53
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They thought it was the man with the golden gun. Sorry. Yeah. James Bond. Right? ah Yeah, so she did that during the robberies, and then in her regular life, she dressed, like, completely the opposite.
00:38:07
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So... Didn't really figure out it was her. i don't know if they ever necessarily would have. um Wow. Yeah. but That's crazy.
00:38:18
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Probably... Yeah, was like, holy shit. um There is a couple pictures in the drive. So she just, like, does it for funsies.
00:38:30
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Well, she's trying to provide for her kids, but, like, people don't realize it's her that's doing the robberies. They just know of, like, this machine gun Molly person that's, like, doing all these robberies. Mm-hmm.
00:38:44
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Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. um So the morning of September 19th, 1967, her and her two accomplices, those brothers, Gerard and Robert, um they robbed a bank and took about $3,000.
00:39:05
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And police were, once were said, police were dispatched um to the bank within like 30 seconds of the robbery. So very quickly, I guess.
00:39:16
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Oh, wow. And the three at that point had already made off in their getaway vehicle, which was a 67 Chrysler. And they had driven away not too far before they ended up hijacking a 66 Plymouth.
00:39:35
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ah But police were in pursuit and identified that second vehicle, the Plymouth, and began following them again. um During that time, Monica was driving.
00:39:48
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This is crazy to me. um Said that they were led on a high speed chase through the city. i didn't realize how high speed because only one source said the speed, which was apparently 180 kilometers an hour. shit. I don't know if I believe you could drive that in fucking city.
00:40:13
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That would be so terrifying. Right? Like a land speed record or something. Yeah, I was like, who the fuck is driving 180 kilometers?
00:40:24
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Like, there's intersections. They're in the city. like Yeah, the highways are going like 120 so, you know. Yeah, and that's like, you're not stopping. There's not oncoming traffic or people trying to cross in front of you.
00:40:41
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so I don't know if I necessarily believe that speed, but it was a high speed police chase. Damn. Yeah. Unlike those ones where they're like Canadian, you know, ah police chase. That one.
00:40:55
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Yeah. We're all like spinning out in the winter. in this My favorite is when the people on the getaway are like, get out and start pushing their car and then the cops and so get out of their vehicle and then they start pushing the cop car.
00:41:10
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it's like, why aren't you arresting them? You're both outside your car. It's stuck in the snow. Such a silly video. But yeah, I feel like it's exactly what I think about. It makes me laugh every time. Yeah.
00:41:25
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Yeah, so they're going very, very fast. Apparently they're shooting at the police and the police are shooting back at them. A couple different things I read said that there had never been any injuries in any of these bank robberies.
00:41:45
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Yeah, no injuries or deaths. But one thing I saw said that during the shooting back and forth, um there was an 11-month-old child named Antonio marinelli Marinelli, who was injured by a projectile that hit him in the cheek during the exchange.
00:42:08
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um Yeah. Okay, but not killed. No. um But, like, yeah I got some sort of cheek injury. um Yeah. There was an intersection.
00:42:26
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ah can't remember what one. I think a couple things said. where she ended up losing control of the vehicle that she was driving and it slammed into the side of a bus.
00:42:38
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Oh, shit. Yeah. It would have done more damage to her though, I would have thought. Yeah, it does. Like, no one on the bus was injured, I guess.
00:42:49
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And the brothers, they were in the vehicle with her, they managed to flee the scene. But Monica was pretty injured. Apparently she stuck her revolver that she also must have been carrying out the window and began firing at the police.
00:43:07
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Um, and they fired back at her. She was still in the car, i guess. Um, a couple of things said that there, it was actually in like an undercover police officer that was nearby that like witnessed the crash and ran onto the scene and then realized what was happening and shot her. But, um,
00:43:26
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Yeah, she was shot in the head, I guess, and the chest twice, killing her instantly. and oh then one of the brothers, Robert, was caught hiding in a shed nearby.
00:43:43
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and I guess the other one got away successfully. And they never caught him or something. Whoa. Okay, so she's dead. She's dead.
00:43:54
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Yeah.
00:43:57
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um Monica Proietti, she died on that day, September 1967. She was only 27 years old. oh wow. Yeah. forget my yeah Forget how young she was when all of this was happening. Right. but they Like Bonnie and Clyde are so romanticized sometimes. You're like, yeah, ah but they died. Right.
00:44:24
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right uh so monica i guess they must have figured out who she was like identified her because like i said i don't think they necessarily would have figured out who molly the machine gun was or machine gun molly was if it wasn't for this like they were literally pursuing her from the scene of the crime so they knew it was for sure her Um, so they identified her as Monica and the, her apartment that she was living in was raided that afternoon where they found like, um, some like guns and stuff, I guess.
00:45:02
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Um, one of the things I think is kind of tragic about it is multiple things said that this was Reportedly going to be the last robbery.
00:45:13
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um it always is. Always fucking is. Just one last door. True. ah Fast and Furious fashion. Yeah, or something. Movie trope. So this was planned to be her last.
00:45:28
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And she intended to use all the money to fund her new life um for herself and her three kids down in Florida. So they were going to move. And...
00:45:40
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Her three kids, I forgot. Yeah. And remember, like, husbands in prison. Yeah, and she still can't get enough.
00:45:51
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like your First one's deported. Yeah. It's like, how about just one more legit job so that you can try and support your three kids or at least try and get back on your feet where you're not honestly just like, oh, one more, like a junkie. Like, one more and I'll stop, you know?
00:46:07
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It's like, ugh. Damn. It's unfortunate. There was apparently a some sort of... Oh, sorry. I skipped over a little thing. um I guess Monica's father was the one that was sent to the morgue to ID her body.
00:46:21
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Must have been sad. Yeah. Yeah. But like I said, she's kind of become like this folk hero um somewhat. And there's all these rumors and stuff. Like, it's hard to piece the case together because there's a lot of misinformation out there.
00:46:40
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and Yeah, there was like a 2004 Quebec film called Machine Gun Molly that was loosely based on her life. And that was a film adapted from the book Souvenirs.
00:46:58
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Souvenirs de Monica by Georges Hubert Germain. French. So French. you softri um but then if you remember she had her youngest kid um giles giles to see her don't know that's how you pronounce his name yeah i don't know yeah he he was only 18 months old um when she was shot and killed yeah so he never yeah he never really knew her but
00:47:34
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I did run across a thing saying that he collaborated on this limited series documentary um that was titled Maman la Matriel for like his mom and there was a director Martin Paquette um so I couldn't like watch the documentary it was also all in French but and was like I think three or four part series and it's like him kind of piecing together her life and trying to focus on um his family and stuff instead of the misinformation that he feels like has been surrounding the case um and her story and like focus more on the fact that like this is his mom and what she was trying to do to like help her family survive and stuff which I thought was kind of nice
00:48:33
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yeah um and then the i liked as well that the director the martin guy um he said quote i knew monica's story through my father and my aunts uh who did research on my family and giles um since they were neighbors in laduk alley they were indirectly related so like his family grew up in the same neighborhood so like he His family knew Monica, ah guess. And stuff, yeah. um
00:49:09
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So, yeah, he was in he was the director of this little documentary thing. He said, I have a deep affection for these people, so the story of Monica the machine gun has always been with me. um And I guess part of the little documentary they did also focuses on the fact that Giles, though he didn't know his mom, like, really...
00:49:32
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Like, he's been in and out of prison his entire life. And I guess at the time they were shooting the documentary, Giao's son was also heading to prison for the first time.
00:49:44
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yeah. yeah It becomes a pattern. or Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think one thing I even said that, like, he couldn't be there to, like, pick his son ah or visit his son in prison or something because...
00:50:00
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he wasn't supposed to be near there or something so like the director that Martin guy ended up being the one to pick up his son from prison like for him because he couldn't go don't really know why he couldn't go because I couldn't watch the like documentary thing but oh annoying yeah yeah I think it tried playing and then it said it maybe it wasn't available in my area or something right but the Quebec version of the traitors can't find it anyway but yeah that's frustrating that's crazy yeah but i was like i've never heard about like monica and this whole thing and i i mean i don't condone it but i love a bank robbery i like a heist uh we always do i like a john dillinger um
00:50:55
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A theft is a little bit more palatable than, you know, many of the other crimes, let's say. ah Steal from the rich. Yeah, yeah, you know.
00:51:06
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I liked the, well, I guess other than that 11-month-old who may have been hit in the cheek by something, i liked that they said that, like, nobody ever got injured or anything at any of the robberies. it was about, like, intimidation and getting in and out as quick as you could. Mm-hmm. Um...
00:51:25
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yeah no totally that's always yeah that makes it much more palatable and you're like oh that was kind of yeah a fun story yeah rather than a yeah tragedy or whatever oh that's awesome wow yeah i guess be heading back to montreal after the break crazy oh
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00:51:48
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no we just call this not canadian crimes is montreal Montreal's regret. Oh my gosh.
00:51:54
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So many good mysteries. um Montreal and all over. Yeah. French Canada. Crazy. Like how do you pronounce names? Kelsey will never know.
00:52:06
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so but She does not have the good French pronunciation.
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00:53:37
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um Yeah. Mine also comes from like decades past in Canada and the Montreal area and It came to be known, at least on the Great Canadian Mysteries website, i think, is the one that I wanted to shout out.
00:53:57
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um The Red Path Mansion murder mystery.
00:54:03
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Red Path murder mystery? Okay, yeah, most of the sources I got was from CanadianMysteries.ca i think I've used them before, too.
00:54:17
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Yeah, and i was tell I was telling you about them a little bit when we chose this, because I was like, oh, yeah, it was cool. had different sources and stuff for a few different cases.
00:54:30
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um
00:54:33
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Yeah, kind of a maybe sort of a Wikipedia, sort of a like, yeah, you click on this and you can get... this transcript or whatever. Yeah, so kind of cool. But yeah, had never heard of this either.
00:54:47
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ah But may you may have heard of the Red Path family, or at least bought some of their bags of white sugar.
00:54:57
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Okay. I don't know.
00:55:04
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excuse you. you Gordo interrupt us. Gordo! Hey, don't do that. Come
00:55:16
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on. We aren't doing that. We aren't doing that. He's like, hey, who me? Who me? I'm just saying you're all innocent. No one's talking about you right now.
00:55:27
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but One of these days you'll get your whole episode, Gordo.
00:55:36
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um Yes. The Redpath family ah were part of the rich, wealthy, and elite upper class in Montreal in late 1800s, early 1900s, and ended up owning what became known as like the Redpath Mansion at 1065 Sherbrooke Street.
00:56:00
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And it was in the classy square a square mile neighborhood. Everything was like, ooh, they lived in the Golden Square, square mile. Ooh. Wasn't, wasn't like, I don't know, like sugar is such a big thing, isn't it?
00:56:17
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um Big export for a long time, yeah. When there's like famine and war and everything, it's like, oh, you can't get sugar.
00:56:28
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Sugar's been mentioned and stuff, so. Yeah, because think about where we get sugar cane from. just like Caribbean islands?
00:56:41
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I'm like, I think. You know, but not not places where it gets exported to that we all live usually. Yeah. We can't make it here. We can make maple syrup. That's what we can make. Yes, so...
00:57:01
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yes so I, uh, nerded out a little bit that the patriarch of the family, the grandfather, John Redpath, um, has a cool Wikipedia page. you Does he have a nice mustache? He probably does.
00:57:23
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Does he have a mustache? I have a picture. I had a picture, but wait, um, I was just having trouble getting all my pictures. And then started uploading mine into, um, Your folder.
00:57:35
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it was just like, I don't have a folder. And I forgot how to easily make a folder. Because I'm a loser. No, we're... had a picture of him too.
00:57:48
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there is John Redpath.
00:57:52
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Let's see. So inside of yours that's called Canada. oh I see him. There's now called one called John Redpath.
00:58:03
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Oh, no no mustache. No, some killer sideburns, though. stern countenance. Yeah. He was Scottish. um Hang on here, my windows.
00:58:19
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No.
00:58:22
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I need the other one on top, but I can't find it. okay That little like mansion is cute, though.
00:58:32
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Looks like a little castle. my gosh. I was like, I need pictures the house. More pictures the house. It's very cute. I love it Okay, good. Because I might have one or two in color because I was trying so hard to get pictures of the stately Victorian mansion that they built or whatever.
00:58:57
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Sexy.
00:59:00
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but a Brick facade. Oh yes. Yeah, it is. And it is brick. And where I'm like, oh, in color you can tell. I don't know. Whatever. But it was cool because he's the patriarch.
00:59:13
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um So it was neat to learn about how he had a hand or was sort of a force of nature in molding old Montreal, creating his own dynasty and founding a bunch of stuff okay yeah i have a little mini dive into his history because i was at first though i had the good website i didn't it still didn't have a lot of meat to it you know the actual case itself yeah not a lot of um details but that's how i felt i was like oh we're sitting at two and a half pages that's great right
00:59:51
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I was like, ah it can be ah it can be a smaller case. Here's some quotes. Wait, what? No, but by the time I got done with this one, I was still adding stuff um almost last minute today going, oh, well, that's cool, too, because, you know, um because I could find ah um a bit about the ah the grandpa here, the patriarch, we'll call him, John Redpath, born 1796.
01:00:21
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He had the good sideburns. We don't exactly when in 1796 he was born, but he died March 5th, 1869.
01:00:31
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And they called him a a Scots Quebecer, which we say Quebecer Canada, but I haven't seen it spelled out, which made it look kind of funny. Quebecer.
01:00:43
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Anyway, oh he was a businessman and philanthropist who came from a poor family in scotland was born in earlston berwickshire during a time called the the lowland clearances which i was like what clearance sale right i heard a lot about what's happened to the highlanders but this i was not familiar so It referred to a time when thousands of cotters and tenant farmers left the lowland farms for bigger cities like Glasgow, Edinburgh, and even northern England.
01:01:24
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Oh. oh So... Oh, it i learned the lowland clearances from the 1716s... No. gonna fall asleep.
01:01:37
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From the 1760s to the 1830s emerged as a significant consequence of the scottish agricultural revolution which transformed the long-standing agricultural practices that had been prevalent in lowland scotland during the 17th century um so a bunch of farmers left i guess you know for the city and those that did stay would help modernize the farming practices from the very old fashioned to one of the most modern kinds of farming in europe so i was like okay that's kind of cool oh okay yeah that's good
01:02:14
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basically what i could understand um and then this john redpath gained some stone masonry experience with a guy named george drummond in edinburgh and um since many at that time were not staying on the farms or whatever they are moving to bigger and better places he moves west to canada to make some money and i'm like hell yeah i grew up in Atlantic Canada where a lot of us still moved west in Canada to make more money like I mean my mom's family is from Scotland and my and her grandfather was yeah a stone mason too see but they settled in so cool Manitoba and he built like a stone farmhouse and then helped build like the Banff Springs Hotel and everything
01:03:08
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We've talked about that one. Oh, shit, I forgot. That's really cool. Yeah, he used to have a little plaque on the Bam Springs Hotel that, like, had his name on it. Your grandpa. Saying, like, what part he helped bid.
01:03:20
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Great grandpa, I think. Oh, wow. Yeah, my mom's grandpa. yeah No, but like she that shit gets remembered because I still talk about my dad's... He got a brick from working on the the bridge between PEI and New Brunswick, the Confederation Bridge.
01:03:37
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A little brick. That's so cool. I forgot. like So many Scottish immigrants and Irish and other ones helped build our country. It's really neat.
01:03:52
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. They built the old, some of the oldest buildings that are still here in Canada. but Built by European people. People that came. I know, I love our old roots.
01:04:08
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Yeah. Some Americans would be like, no. They're like, we didn't exist before seventeen hundred My brain can't compute. I'm like, well, come on now. No.
01:04:20
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Yeah. Just like, let me build this stone house. It's going to last 400 years. Fucking stone houses, man. Yeah. Just like everything was stone houses and in the UK. And then it's all, they're all like, no, this old castle.
01:04:37
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Yeah.
01:04:40
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Very cool.
01:04:45
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So apparently it was 1816 when he disembarked in Montreal, nearly penniless in Quebec City. And i would say as legend has it, because it was like um one thing on Wikipedia that said like, citation needed. Legends? No.
01:05:06
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Yeah. That he walked barefoot to Montreal. Really? Yeah. um really I mean, citation needed. and i and and Wikipedia was also really like, you're really going to go past and not give today? You're not going to donate? And was like, I really can't, man.
01:05:25
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Not this time, bro. yeah I'm sorry.
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I'll give you a shout out, though. um Yeah.
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We'll ask our loyal listeners to go donate to Wikipedia. Yeah.
01:05:44
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I know. Sometimes they're a little needy. Hey, if my week if my case has a Wikipedia page, I am reading it. I know. It doesn't mean it's my first source, but I am going to read it.
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There's some other good ones. um Mysterious Universe, that's come up a few times for me, and I hear other pods mention it. I'm like, oh, yeah. Oh. That sounds fun.
01:06:08
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Yeah. a Yeah, this guy's backstory was just a little fun, I guess. So, sorry.
01:06:19
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In November, he watched them put in some of the first oil street lamps on Rue St. Paul. And he also used his knowledge of stonemasonry to get a leg up in construction, ah then running his own business,
01:06:32
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like his own construction business and then they took on major projects like the Lachine canal and had a picture of that too.
01:06:45
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You, he built that one and the the canal and the locks that they subsequently built were key to future development of the city of Montreal because Ever since late 1600s, about 1689, people had tried to build a canal to get through the treacherous Lachine Rapids, apparently, that surrounded, I don't know, the city.
01:07:10
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Yeah. And then John decides to give it a go, and powered by some funding from the baby Bank of Montreal, he succeeded in 1825. Ah, good old BMO.
01:07:23
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That was my first bank account.
01:07:27
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Also, I did have a picture. I might be the ones where I'm like, I didn't upload a whole folder, but it's cute little canal with some bridges now.
01:07:39
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Nice. But, like, at the time, it was quite the the big deal. Especially because the next hurdle was acquiring the land along the canal. for a while, they had figured out how to get the ships down it. The land was owned by the Roman Catholic...
01:07:57
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And I didn't look up how to say that word. Sulpician order.
01:08:04
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Salt pigeon?
01:08:08
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It's almost like sulpicar, but like, sulpician. And so I don't know. I have no idea. I've never seen this word before. it seems so very Catholic.
01:08:19
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Yeah. ah yeah ah So while shipping had increased, the land along the canal itself was unused for building any new structures for 20 years.
01:08:30
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And after 20 years, Redpath and other businessmen were finally able to buy plots of land along this canal that they had essentially opened for business. Prime prime real estate.
01:08:44
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And it totally was. Yeah. It's like building along a highway. yes I know. That's why all the old towns were like along rivers and stuff. Yeah, they were like their highways, basically.
01:08:59
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You're right. And it was perfectly placed for manufacturing plants. It had lots of water that could be used in the construction and provided steam power too. And of course the shipping and all that.
01:09:11
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then waste, you can just throw it in the river and poison everybody. It's perfect. Well, no. Send it all downstream. Yeah, let's not do all that, though. No, they were good to their um their land, I would say.
01:09:33
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okay. Even though he was a businessman, he still gave back. I mean, and that in the true crime community just puts a target on your back. If you're a pillar of the community, it's like, reet, reet, reet.
01:09:48
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Don't stand out Don't light up a room.
01:09:53
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Be a void. you yeah Don't be notable at all. Yeah. Average. Yeah. Average. Yeah.
01:10:07
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average
01:10:10
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oh He built the first sugar refinery in Canada. So in his lifetime, he saw the shipping increase from 600 small ships per year at the start to 13,000 large ships a year and his little whole area. i That's a huge increase.
01:10:33
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Yeah, those 20 years. He's waiting. Yeah. And he built a grand home he called Terrace Bank, or in this case, it's referred to as the Red Path Mansion most often.
01:10:49
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And he built the Notre Dame, Notre Dame Basilica, yeah. ah that just made me sound italian see my french is so bad i should just not even try you stupid white woman um yeah so he did that church in montreal and some of the first buildings at mcgill university which is a really good school in canada we've mostly okay i i heard that one yeah yeah you guys got your yale and your whatever and we got like a couple
01:11:25
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Yeah. Notable. Where we get our edumacation.
01:11:31
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Yeah. was, like, something I was reading online that was, like, Canadians don't have a lot of luxury, like, high-end brands like Gucci and, you know, like a lot of other countries and places do.
01:11:45
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Or they buy from other countries, I guess. And then someone else online... Cause it was, don't know if it was Reddit, if it was like ask a Canadian or whatever, but they're like, yeah, we spend all our stuff on like our toys and like our outdoor toys and like our skidoos. Sometimes.
01:12:03
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I don't know. Motorhomes. Yeah. a lot of ah Yeah. And I've noticed a lot of people do, but like we just, I think maybe just value more like Europeans where we're like value having a good time and like memories and stuff than like owning a thing.
01:12:19
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like yeah Americans I think so more of a tendency to do yeah like we'd rather have an experience or something than like yeah oh yeah for sure I'd much rather go on holidays and be like oh look at this handbag my right $5,000 fucking purse. I'm always like, what?
01:12:44
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Are you crazy? Yeah, i could go on vacation for 11 days. See ya. Right. in the fucking mountains around here you need a couple hundred bucks a night me and kelsey go to the mountains yeah donate to patreon okay oh exactly um so yeah they did very well for themselves red path sugar uh manufacturing sugar refinery that's they called it He made processed 7,000 tons of raw sugar a year and he stayed busy with other endeavors too. He was serving on the board of directors directors of ah Bank of Montreal or BMO as the commercials call it.
01:13:27
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It's funny because like our other banks, I don't know, RBC and like TD and that kind of stuff is like you're saying the letters but like nobody says like BMO.
01:13:43
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It's BMO. No, yeah, because I think we had that one commercial where was like BMO or something. like That must be it, because it was like, why is BMO just sound totally wrong to me?
01:13:56
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No, it's BMO. BMO. They were my first, then I had our what is it, Royal Bank? Yeah, RBC. Yeah, the Royal Bank kind of Canada.
01:14:09
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And pat ah Pat, a lot of his has always been TD, and then they had that one episode of Letter Kenny where they're like, Oh, you work for Tiddy Bank? Yeah, Tiddy Bank. Tiddy Bank? No, Tiddy Bank is like the French accent.
01:14:21
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Tiddy Bank? Yeah, and they're thinking he's saying Tiddy Bank. That's so funny. Because, you know, Toronto Dominion is our other big bank. ah Like, these are, it's more eastern. Because, like, from when I would have moved out here, i had to switch. There's no Bank of Montreal's out here.
01:14:39
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You just can't. And surprisingly enough, if your, like, home branch isn't near where you are, it can be a problem sometimes. Kind of a hassle. like Yeah.
01:14:51
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I know there's one. I mean, BMO I started with was out in, like, Spruce. And here, I've only been to the BMO that's...
01:15:04
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I guess would be considered my nearest branch. I've been there once in 10 years. Like, oh I don't know those people. Yes, feel like I had problems when I moved out west and then didn't have the same home branch or whatever of the fuck they call it. was like, dude, don't know.
01:15:25
Speaker
do you want from me? Yeah. Yeah, I mostly deal with today the titty banks. I deal with the titty bank. Nice.
01:15:40
Speaker
Okay. So onto how this guy was sort of influential in Canada. Uh, thank you, Wikipedia in the developing years of the early 19th century, that small population meant that there was limited financial resources for businesses to draw upon because major business development was still dependent on upon funding the the London stock exchange.
01:16:04
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Redpath understood the need for Canada to begin the long process of developing its own capital markets. As such, he was a promoter of the Montreal Investment Association, the forerunner of the Montreal Stock Exchange.
01:16:19
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End quote. Okay, I was going to say he's going become an investor in bunch of businesses. Yeah, and it's weird because people will be like, i don't know much about the Stock Exchange, and I'm like, yeah I didn't realize that we like had one. I thought it was only kind of the really the New York one or whatever.
01:16:38
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Yeah. I don't know if I necessarily would have known the Montreal stock exchange. Excuse me. Yeah. Get out of here. and
01:16:51
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I'm not a finance bro. Okay. um Bro.
01:16:56
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But for all he achieved, I think he kept reminding himself where he came from. He always gave back to his community. ah Seemingly sort of disliking the chokehold England still had on Canada. Okay. Because some articles compared it to... and'm like led me to a mini wiki hole on ah ah Robert Baldwin, the guy who they said was more pro-England...
01:17:25
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early canadian oh my god i don't even know they're like ah he was an upper canadian lawyer and politician who worked with louise hippolyte la fontaine and led the first responsible government ministry in the province of canada and i read all that and was like well that's crazy and i need to get out of this hole but then i couldn't it led to a scene sorry this is just my surmising of this stupid wikipedia hole Which led to a series of things like a bill called the Rebellion Losses Bill and the backlash of that and the burning of the Parliament buildings in Montreal in 1849, which helped to make them move the capital from there to Ottawa.
01:18:09
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I was like, wait, what? That's part of the reason why we moved... I did not know. I know our capital is Montreal people are too passionate.
01:18:21
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I mean...
01:18:25
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There's still, still, you know, as much as the English and the French have always fought, there's still a divide between Anglo-Canadians and Franco-Canadians, where we'll make fun of each other, etc., you know? Yeah.
01:18:42
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I was just like, what? um So he also, yeah, he built that house, he had a ton of children, He was married twice, first to Janet McPhee of Glengarry, Ontario.
01:18:58
Speaker
Nanny McPhee. Mommy McPhee. No. They married on December 19th, 1818 and had seven children together in what I reckon was about 16 years. Yeah.
01:19:10
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No thanks.
01:19:14
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Then when she passed away 1834...
01:19:18
Speaker
I am not surprised that he get married not too long after, which was the following year on September 11th, 1835. Damn. And then he has 32 more children. no Yeah, you have seven children already.
01:19:32
Speaker
No, but they did have 10 more kids. Oh my god! No!
01:19:40
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He married a slightly younger model, a 20-year-old Scottish-born Jane Drummond, And I think, because he was born in 1796, he probably would have been 40, 41.
01:19:52
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But that was kind of par for the course of the time. Anyway, she's very virile as well. God damn, apparently he is. Dude, 17 children. Oh, yeah, he's like fucking Genghis Khan. Good thing he's a millionaire, probably. God damn.
01:20:18
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yeah i oh yeah this was the most complete list of names one thing had peter john james george drummond francis robert augusta eleanor harriet ina mary and helen he names a street called drummond street after his wife jane and When I say he was charitable, he casually was also the director of the Montreal General Hospital, a donor to many missionary societies and especially endorsed educational institutions.
01:20:50
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um Like his son, Peter, endowed a chair of mathematics at McGill University. And then they built Red Path Museum and Red Path Library there on campus as well.
01:21:02
Speaker
Okay. Those are nice things. Yeah, libraries and... It's... Quite a legacy. And then I just... I was like so glad I looked him up.
01:21:16
Speaker
Just instead of it being like, oh, he's he made the family rich because he built this and that. like Looked up his page and was like, holy shit. Because then it was like... yeah you know And casually he was anti-slavery and voted for all those bills and he aided impoverished immigrants that were forced into sex work.
01:21:35
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Because he was just that nice. Damn.
01:21:41
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I mean, ah he bought the land for the family home from the De Riviere family who had lost a long court case against the trustees of McGill University. It's very tied up with the McGill University. yeah Yeah. Libraries and yeah that kind of stuff there.
01:22:06
Speaker
Interesting. They still stand today. Yeah. um Oh yes, and he casually names of the streets around ah i think just the house. Rue Redpath.
01:22:22
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It's spelled croissant Redpath. Like the pastry. I don't know if that... I know as far as that means for French streets. I'm not actually not sure if that means like crossing or something because I've never seen it, but it's like croissant Redpath. He just likes croissants.
01:22:40
Speaker
Yeah. Crescents. He likes Crescents.
01:22:45
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But like, it's basically, yeah, it's like probably like just like Redpath Street, like the other one. It's like Rue Redpath, Croissant Redpath, and Plas Redpath.
01:22:56
Speaker
But he himself is buried in Mount Royal Cemetery. and And this great legacy is is wonderful, but there are some mysteries within it.
01:23:08
Speaker
That mar it and make it murky.
01:23:14
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And it kind of comes to the mysterious death of his son, John James' widow, ada Maria, and her boy. So.
01:23:27
Speaker
You thought because he was a pillar of the community that he was going killed, but no. I did. ah thought somebody was going to take him out. I just gave you a real long history on him because he was interesting.
01:23:41
Speaker
um But we do know some about Ada. So this is his daughter-in-law. Yeah. She was reportedly in poor health and was taken care of mainly by her daughter, Amy, and son Cliff, whose full name was Jocelyn Clifford.
01:23:59
Speaker
Back when males were named Jocelyn and Ashley, very casually. Yeah. Yeah.
01:24:08
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Born 26th April, 1842, Ada Maria was youngest of four girls from her father, John Easton, and mother, Hannah Lyman. And Mills was a prominent merchant and merchant and elected mayor of Montreal in 1846 when she was four.
01:24:28
Speaker
But he died the next year of typhus from his work with victims of the epidemic that hit the Point St. Charles immigrant sheds. So... Very sad that he died when she was so young.
01:24:43
Speaker
And then it was just her and her sisters, Alice, Hannah, Jane, and Mary Elizabeth. She then married John James Redpath in 1867 near London, England, in a place called Putney.
01:24:57
Speaker
Did they have any chutney?
01:25:03
Speaker
Her marriage contract stipulated she was to hold control of her assets as if still single. So she full out had like a prenup. Wow.
01:25:17
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um Yeah. And the, the one source, I think it was the Canadian mysteries website said that in November, 1870, she bought the family home, the Victorian home. That was the grand estate on Sherbrooke street. Just straight up, like paid for that shit.
01:25:35
Speaker
Yeah. That's pretty cool. I mean, couldn't be me that would have the down payment. ah Yeah, back in like 18-something for a woman to do that was probably pretty crazy.
01:25:48
Speaker
I know. At least she was smart enough to be like, I keep all my assets when we marry. who Yeah. They had five children. They had Amy, Peter Whiteford, John, Reginald, Harold, and Jocelyn Clifford.
01:26:07
Speaker
Her estate was to go to them if she died. She wanted her girl to have her same prenup, whereas she kept her own, you know, provisions upon marriage.
01:26:17
Speaker
When her health was failing, she was suffering from various ailments, like something they called ulceration of the eyes. oh that sounds terrible.
01:26:30
Speaker
It doesn't it? And I don't really know what it means. So I didn't look that one up. No. I don't mess with you ah feel like it would come with pictures that you don't you could never unsee.
01:26:46
Speaker
oh Ulceration of the eye. Especially when it's, yeah. This seems like very basic medicine where we still didn't get a lot of things. I don't know.
01:26:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Because she also had something called neuralgia of the jaw. She had joint pain. She's a witch.
01:27:10
Speaker
I mean. What? earth she's a financial She's financially independent. She's a witch. Yeah.
01:27:22
Speaker
And she's probably depressed because they said she had melancholia. I sent her to the seat. Send her to the to ah somewhere to look at the sea. Her time has come.
01:27:34
Speaker
And read. Yeah. Send me to the sea with a book. Put me on a cliff somewhere with a book. I still remember reading this one. Put that on my doctor's description.
01:27:46
Speaker
This one thing was like, but he divorced his wife for reading too much. i was like, yeah, this is the craziest entry couldn't be born into. Yeah. This woman reads.
01:27:57
Speaker
She has thoughts. She can think. Damn her. I'd never find a husband. ah Oh yeah, so this Mama Redpath here, Ada, she suffers such ailments that so sometimes or often spends summer and fall in a ah sanatorium type... I mean...
01:28:25
Speaker
It said sanatoria. Yeah. yeah Just said a weird... She just needs her spa time, yes. but But by 1990, she barely left her bedroom and depended on her ah children, Amy and Cliff, who were still living at home and were basically, I think, her oldest and her youngest.
01:28:46
Speaker
And also, just fun fact, by the time of her death, her estate of bonds, stocks, and real estate were worth roughly... 179 million ish, $86. I don't know how they got that calculation. Holy. Yeah.
01:29:05
Speaker
ah yeah It's like probably about 5 million today. so a lot. Um, um
01:29:12
Speaker
but Good for them. Yeah. Still, I think, yeah, it doesn't really mean anything necessarily. And ah it's not till June 13th of 1901 at the Redpath Mansion where anything goes awry So a dinner party was planned for that evening.
01:29:32
Speaker
ah Amy is like head of the household, caregiver for her mother, normally would be there, but she was sort of MIA-ish. Um, but it's still a busy household.
01:29:45
Speaker
Like the two grown children still live at home, her and Cliff. There's three family servants. There's people that pop in the doctors, the friends, the various language tutors, et cetera.
01:29:57
Speaker
Um, and then at 6 PM in the evening, a Cliff, as he's known to his family, has just come home and gone up to his mother's room when multiple shots ring out.
01:30:11
Speaker
Damn.
01:30:13
Speaker
Yeah. ah Peter rushed upstairs, which I think is um the Uncle Peter, because they said the other kids didn't live at home, but there's an Uncle Peter and a son Peter, so. Oh,
01:30:31
Speaker
Could be either Peter. um Honestly, I think it's the uncle. um Well, no, it said Peter rushed upstairs. This is where get confused myself.
01:30:41
Speaker
Peter rushed upstairs, sees his brother and mother on the floor. Okay, so I guess it's probably the son, Peter. Although I didn't think he lived there. I'm sorry. ah They are both shot.
01:30:53
Speaker
His mother was already dead by the time he got up there and Cliff was dying. Immediately they called for the doctors and Cliff died shortly after. They never called police who heard of it later. so it was kind of weird how they just called like the doctors and not the police.
01:31:10
Speaker
Yeah.
01:31:13
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A little odd.
01:31:16
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um And honestly, um I'm not going lie to you guys, this one does not, it's a cold case, obviously, but it just doesn't have a lot of detail. Like, you know, a lot speculation. Damn.
01:31:29
Speaker
gonna leave me in suspense like that there's there's no there's a lot of evidence they had from that website um mostly so peter gave his version at the inquest that they held for ada the very next day so they got right to it they held the inquest for the death the very next day which is a little suspicious in itself i would say but
01:31:54
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Peter Redpath said, Yesterday evening I saw my brother, the deceased, arriving home at around six o'clock. He seemed ill and was tired, working hard to prepare prepare for his bar exams.
01:32:07
Speaker
He was studying. He went up to the room of my mother, Ada Marie Mills. Age 62, and a few seconds later I heard a shot from a firearm, followed by two others.
01:32:17
Speaker
I ran up and broke down the door. I saw my mother lying on the floor and several feet from her, my brother, also lying in a pool of blood. A revolver a foot away from him, near his hand.
01:32:29
Speaker
My brother had been very nervous for some time. That's the end of his quote.
01:32:37
Speaker
Yeah, seemed very sudden. They came home. also as Sounds murder-suicide-y. Exactly.
01:32:48
Speaker
Or like if someone had been there, they would have had to get out through the window or something, which I can't fully discount. They called upon this doctor who gave his testimony. This was Dr. Tom George Roddick.
01:33:03
Speaker
I was called upon to confirm the death. The witness explains to the jurors the position in which he found the bodies and declares that in his mind, the son must have killed his mother and then shot himself afterward.
01:33:17
Speaker
ah Has known the family for 20 years. Right. The son is epileptic and not responsible for his acts before, during, and after his attacks.
01:33:28
Speaker
Okay.
01:33:31
Speaker
But he could know that study tax and and go for the bar exam and become a fucking lawyer, but can't be held responsible for his actions.
01:33:43
Speaker
No, because now we're doctors and we're saying he has epilepsy. He doesn't yeah know the difference between right and wrong, but he can present it to a jury in a court of law.
01:33:57
Speaker
you Yeah, he said knows that he had a tax a few, says question mark, I think days ago, had advised him to go get some rest for a few days and was supposed to accompany him.
01:34:11
Speaker
That's what the one doctor said. And Dr. Hugh Patton said, I arrived at the same time as Dr. Campbell. I found the two bodies in the position described by the first witnesses.
01:34:22
Speaker
I saw two revolvers. The young man's wound was to his left temple. That of the deceased was to the back of her head. i was called at ten to six.
01:34:34
Speaker
So for sure, he could have his wound could have been self-inflicted, but hers to the back her head. It had to have been him or someone else that shot her. Yeah. For sure.
01:34:49
Speaker
Oh, so weird. Oh, I think that quote was from Rolo Campbell. and Just different page. I had a few quotes.
01:35:02
Speaker
Rosa Shallow, the following quote, she was a servant, said, I heard the shop shots went up right away after Mr. Peter Redpath and saw the two bodies of feet from each other a few feet from each other on the floor.
01:35:15
Speaker
I saw two revolvers near Mr. Clifford Redpath. Excuse me.
01:35:24
Speaker
Have never seen a revolver in the deceased woman's room. Which... Oh, okay. Not gun aficionados. It would seem to imply that that she'd never seen a gun in her mistress's room before.
01:35:41
Speaker
Yeah. Buddy.
01:35:47
Speaker
The quickly reached verdict. This is all happening. the The two inquests the day after and they both died. um and they do a verdict right there. yeah It's like a, like, not like a criminal trial. It's like a don't know what death inquest it's very weird crazy quick we the ender's on the roll the life insurance oh see it like i don't know i don't know if that has anything to do with it i really don't um but it's a factor okay
01:36:25
Speaker
The undersigned jurors, having heard the evidence, declare that Ada Marie Mills died at Montreal on the 13th day of June 1901 from a gunshot wound apparently inflicted by Clifford Jocelyn Redpath, while unconscious of what he was doing and temporarily insane, owing to an epileptic attack from which he was suffering at the time.
01:36:48
Speaker
Damn, they just... Huck, Klein, and Zinker were told to accept that, I think, and they did. I don't know. and The jurors were, they viewed the body, and there were like full-on testimonies or questioning of witnesses like Peter Redpath, Thomas George Riddick, Hugh Patton, Rolo Campbell, Rosa Shallow, and Charles James Fleet.
01:37:13
Speaker
So, some of the staff and stuff. But... Hi, Gordo. Hi, Gordo. I know, he's probably being so loud.
01:37:23
Speaker
now he's being cute. No, you can't hear him purring. oh not at the moment. oh um An article from the Sherbrooke Daily Record, Monday, June 14th, said a very sad affair occurred last evening.
01:37:41
Speaker
For some months, Mrs. J.J. Redpath has been a confirmed invalid, one of the characteristics of her malady being prolonged insomnia. About six o'clock, the household heard an explosion and hurrying to her room found both Mrs. Redpath and her son, Mr. Cliver Redpath, seriously wounded by revolver shots.
01:38:01
Speaker
mr redpath or Mrs. Redpath died in a short time. Her son was removed in an unconscious condition to the Royal Victoria Hospital, where he expired about midnight.
01:38:13
Speaker
Neither could give any account of what had happened. I do... love hate the way they say that he expired about midnight when he died yeah i don't love that um it's very like old yogurt yeah yeah he was best before oh lost his freshness try him after those are just a ah guideline you know yeah um No, but that, yeah, I'm on my last page here.
01:38:47
Speaker
There was a ah special bulletin, I think, that just basically said, the inquest over the bodies of Mrs. J. Redpath and son, who met their death by shooting last night, is fixed for 3 p.m.
01:38:59
Speaker
The family refused to give any details and a strong effort is being made to have the inquest a private one. um Nowadays, a Donovan King, founder of Haunted Montreal, says the speculations are many still to this day.
01:39:15
Speaker
Some think that Cliff killed his mother, then himself. i mean I mean, the wounds. That's what it seems like. Right. Because people, they, like, with the people that were in the house, it sounds like they got into that room so quickly after the shots.
01:39:34
Speaker
They heard the shots. Yes. So... um Yeah. Seems a little weird that somebody could have slipped away or they didn't notice or hear anybody else.
01:39:50
Speaker
I know. It's maybe conceivable that someone could have gone through like a window or something, but it's it's failing to see kind of the motivation for this one. Because even with the yeah with the if it was him killed his mother, they're still like, why?
01:40:06
Speaker
and there's not a lot of good reasons people can really think about. Like there's kind of, and don't know if it's wild speculation, but that maybe had something to do with his sexuality being discovered. And because he was maybe gay, he was maybe being blackmailed, which apparently could happen at the time. But yeah, I just, I don't know. That's one like theory, you know?
01:40:35
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um
01:40:38
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and And like they said, his mom was in poor health. And Amy said, like because they had clippings from her like diary and stuff in the website, like how she was like, her mom was kind of in chronic pain. And she felt like maybe her mom felt like it was a burden to be alive. And I'm like, I don't know. Could that have something to do with it? Right. Like. Hmm.
01:41:05
Speaker
Weird. And like Amy and Clifford were the two children left at home and they were very close before his death. They would go to events and riding like there ah horses. There's a lot of horses riding horses, hiking trails.
01:41:23
Speaker
ah She wrote several poems in his honor after his death. um Cliff had been an art student, then a law student who had just applied to take the bar exam when he was killed. So,
01:41:35
Speaker
Doesn't seem like it was suicide, you know? okay, yeah. Like, the making plans and... Right. There was this supposed to be a dinner party that evening.
01:41:47
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, one source said that. um But after their deaths, like, the family... continued on. Amy wasn't too keen on marriage.
01:42:00
Speaker
She apparently waited quite a while and got married at the age of 38 to a doctor think it was the same doctor that was there that night. Thomas Roddick?
01:42:11
Speaker
I don't know. Anyway. Small town.
01:42:17
Speaker
i don't think it's anything that insidious. was gonna say, nothing more romantic than marrying the man who pronounced your brother and yeah mother dead mother dead but like and remember her mom her mom wanted her to have that like freedom of like you have this prenup where like you get to keep all your shit going in and i think that's why she was like i don't get married that's why she didn't get married till she was 38 and she like apparently loved languages theater and writing and so i think she spent a lot of time just
01:42:49
Speaker
doing the you know that's cool indulging things she loved um kind of sadly the once stately victorian home fell into disre disrepair and was torn down by the city on 2014 in can't talk
01:43:08
Speaker
i'm french no uh but the near path nearby redpath library still at mcgill university stands and is said to be haunted as well Oh, damn. Of course it is.
01:43:22
Speaker
Everything's haunted. If it's a brick building, it's more than 100 years old. It's haunted. Right? oh That's why we love history. It's so full of ghosts. But yes, that is my case.
01:43:35
Speaker
ah Thank you. Weird. Yeah, that one's...
01:43:42
Speaker
That one's a thinker. I know. Because, yeah, it doesn't seem like... motivation doesn't seem like anybody benefited um from their deaths specifically like in the family so no not if you're her son and you would have always gotten a portion of her will or whatever regardless unless and I'm just speculating her chronic illness maybe led her to want to to have assisted suicide or something
01:44:20
Speaker
And then the only thing I can think of is like maybe he couldn't live with himself after. But it just seems weird. It seemed like they said he came home, went upstairs, they heard shots, and they were both dead. Which I was just Yeah, like really quickly. Yeah.
01:44:33
Speaker
Like there was an impetus or a reasoning or a catalyst or something. But... Fuck to Vino. Look at this little baby.
01:44:44
Speaker
Look at this baby. Look at him. Oh, he's not playing. I thought he was maybe scratching the litter box. What's that he's playing with?
01:44:56
Speaker
It's like a um I got it at one of witchery markets. bird oh um It's like a little fabric sewn...
01:45:10
Speaker
I don't know, tube, but it's filled with the scraps of, like, the other crafts that the lady makes. She makes, like, bandanas and stuff for pets. Oh. And then she sprinkles a little bit of catnip in and then, like, ties some clothes. Oh, shit. So it's just filled with, like, scraps of fabric.
01:45:28
Speaker
It's just a toy ah he likes. Yeah. He doesn't play with it all the time. I'm like, oh, look at him. Oh.
01:45:41
Speaker
Alright, well that was fun. Yeah, damn. Canada! Did we close it out? I forgot. oh No, we haven't said anything.
01:45:53
Speaker
We got distracted by Gordo being cute. We're distracted! Wait, what are we talking about next week?
01:46:01
Speaker
Or not, I guess, in the next episode, I should say.
Episode Wrap-up and Future Topics
01:46:05
Speaker
Maybe. We have, like, premonitions and Déjà vu.
01:46:13
Speaker
It's almost like I've talked about this before. Déjà vu. Yeah. Hold on, I have déjà vu. That should be fun, though. who Yeah, I'll try and find. I cannot remember what I was thinking when I like re-decided, oh, that would be so good to cover when we do déjà vu or whatever.
01:46:38
Speaker
And then was like, oh know. And then I forgot. i forgot the déjà vu. And then when I remember, I'm going to have déjà I know. It's going to be the opposite, which in the French, I think is jamais vu. Never seen.
01:46:54
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Never seen. Okay. Yeah.
01:46:58
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Yeah. No, I totally get that, though, where you're like, yeah, we'll come back to it. And then by the time we do, it feels like it's been 50,000 years. You're like, what did I mean by this sentence?
01:47:09
Speaker
What does this past me thought future me was going to be so much smarter? ah sometimes i quote yeah Gloria from Modern Family.
01:47:20
Speaker
That's not what I meant to mean. Yeah. Sometimes it's so true. Yep. For sure. Alright, well, until next time, we'll keep it cryptic.
01:47:36
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