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193: Cryptic East-Coaster Cryptids
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It's high time to head back to the Maritimes, but for creepy guys and not true crime time! So we went down the East Coast to collect the weirdest, wildest, and occasionally most depressing/pitiful of the cryptids of North America.
We start with a Pukwudgie, and end with a Squonk, and there are a few other weirdos in between. .Some Creature VIPs if you ask me! Their tricksy, some are teary and weepy as a teenager, and I think we can all relate to that!
So tune in and turn on to some of the silliest guys we've seen! Oh and we throw in a tangent or two at the end, cause why not, it's our magical power! Sorry, maybe not so sorry? lol
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Transcript
Introduction to Castles and Cryptids
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Darkcast Network. Indie pods with a dark side.
00:00:26
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Welcome back to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And we're your hosts, Alana and... Kelsey.
Creating the Atmosphere
00:00:39
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Throwing it to you! No, I'm just kidding.
00:00:42
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Hey, I just have to say my name. What's with intros, y'all? i My incense I just lit, like, went out immediately. Why isn't it staying lit enough to do the little ash talk?
00:00:59
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In a dramatic fashion, like when they s snap out a candle when you're watching a horror movie and everything's just like in the wind. Yeah. Oh, maybe that time. It's glowing. It's glowing now.
00:01:13
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Oh, okay. I think good. The ambiance is real. Yes, in this fully- the fully lit room. Fully lit background. Overhead light. The light pouring into the windows. The the light in the room. The light in the hallway on. It'd probably be pretty light in here, even without the light on.
Life in the North
00:01:35
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No, and you know what? it's weird People on the West Coast- Not good. Yeah. Yeah. Then it's just dim except for your window.
00:01:46
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Yeah. We're on the west coast and we are like a little bit more north than sometimes I remember we are even. Like from where I grew up too in Canada. So it's like I'm like damn we're not like 30 days a night but we're like gets to nine what are we? We're almost nine now and it's like still super bright out.
00:02:07
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Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Definitely. Like Washington and those states might understand.
00:02:18
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Oh, hell yeah. What are you going to do?
Food and Drink Anecdotes
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have one of the the growers, almost said peach, the the juicy Bartlett pear.
00:02:31
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i remembered I had a couple left in the fridge. I was like, ooh, I'm going have one of those today. That's awesome. I'm also indulging in some growers. Yeah. Do you have the stone fruit?
00:02:46
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Um, no, that one, I like to get it when it's in the cans, but sometimes I'll buy the two liters, like a basic white bitch trying to get white girl wasted.
00:02:57
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No. Um, and then it's like, it comes in like the strawberry rhubarb and some of the other ones, which is what I have. Yeah. And then we have, um, we also bought like a bunch of Mr. Pinks where they had not been in stores. They still are not in stores.
00:03:13
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um because, like, they didn't, like, distribution, they didn't have the stuff, and they didn't make a lot last year, because they were, like, lacking some ingredients and stuff. Oh, okay.
00:03:25
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And then apparently they were like, well, postal strike, and so, like, nobody has any in their, like, stores yet, but then Pat was like, wait, I can order through this guy, because I, like, came home with one of their, like, messy bags.
00:03:37
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So desperate, you guys, it's like... It's like a light raspberry hard cider almost like fruity beer. think I've had it before but i can't I can't recall.
00:03:51
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i do not recall. you describe it It's light. It's like 6%. It's not like harder than a hard beer. But you've had like a light fruity beer. It's got some hops in it so it does taste a little bit like that but then it like so it's not like a super sweet hard cider but then it just tastes like raspberries because it's just like made with raspberries. I would like that. isnt raspberries
00:04:15
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Oh, Pat and I just, like, love it. And then I, like, brought home, like, a mix pack where like, look, Pat, I got, like, one Mr. Pink. And then it's a mix. Right, because it's a variety pack so it has some of their other shit. like Save it for the end.
00:04:29
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have, like, your grapefruit rattler and, like, a hopped mead drink.
Party Personas and Alter Egos
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And he's like, oh, shit, yeah. I like to have enough, though. And then so he, like, calls a guy and, like,
00:04:40
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the other weekend he ordered like like a two four of them or something
00:04:48
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and pat like don't drink and that's funny because i was just gonna say pat doesn't drink a lot so for him to be like i know a guy i will find a guy i will find a guy they won't put it to the stores but i can get it to the house like they literally ship it to the house i can find that you get you a man who can who knows how to find things Oh, if he wants it yeah, he will get it I feel like we're the same that way. we will We will try and make it happen, you know?
00:05:16
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That's awesome. That's so funny. It is so good. that like i I'm like, laze with those. I'm like, bitch, you can't choose and drink just one. You're too good. ah um But anyway, I'm so sorry that i'm like talking about this local liquor where people are like, but you can only get this in America. Like, you know, you listen to Wine and Crime and they like recommend yeah wine or something and then they're like,
00:05:38
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it doesn't ship outside of the US. s And I'm like, well, I probably wouldn't pay over $20 for a bottle of wine anyway because I'm cheap. Yeah, same.
00:05:52
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I like cannot do wine anymore. yeah I get immediate sleepy. Like one glass and I'm toast. Like, okay. don't know.
00:06:05
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Yeah, it can depend. Red wine I'm not usually... a fan of at all. It seems to give me major hit. These ones, it's been like rosรฉs, and I'm like one glass, and I'm just half asleep on the coach.
00:06:17
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But any other drink, I'm fine. i don't know. Yeah, I wonder. Because like, even stuff that says it's made with like nothing, i'm like... you don't taste like a mr pink or something that's like ah straight from the fallen timber meadery where you're like just made with mead don't know yeah god i'm such a snob these ones are pretty good these ones i think are pretty good yeah no that's a fairly local this doesn't have any oh here we go ingredients cider natural flavor and caramel yeah
00:06:57
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100% BC apples. No, no, no. Yeah, the growers are pretty good. I don't see anything on their list that, like, fake color or anything a lot of the time. No, and I like that they're still, um, they must be they the caramel or caramel.
00:07:15
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But they're sweet, but they're, because it it's not like... would be fancy. Yeah, it's not like the the white claws and stuff that I've had that are just, you so unsweetened and stuff like I need oh i need something a little bit sweet like exactly it's nice that we have a balance nowadays between your your old fashioned like Mike's Hard Lemonade Smirnoff Ice being your only like cooler options and like now we have some good seltzers I 100% love the original Smirnoff Ice and mean yeah I think I did at the time oh no I could still drink them
00:07:57
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Okay, yeah, yeah. and i They're pretty sweet, though. I would, now if you think that's sweet, have you ever had the Jack Daniels down-home punch?
00:08:10
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Ooh, maybe. I've also definitely mixed Jack Daniels straight up with Kool-Aid. Don't recommend it. No? No? No, i'm I'm not, like, oh cut myself off from drinking whiskey and stuff, because that's the only time i've gone, like, crazy drunk, where people are you were mean, and I was like, I don't like that. don't want to be a mean drunk. like I don't think I've had a lot of whiskey, but um when me and my friend used to go out drinking, we would start with Spiced Rum and Cokes for, like, the first four drinks we would have normally, and then we would go like... year
00:08:47
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a fruity sugar monstrosity but we were always and like yeah spiced rum and coke for the first few so yeah i used to have a lot more like rum and stuff but i didn't really ever do like bourbon or whiskey or anything like that yeah sometimes rum's kind of a starter yeah like when you're getting into liquor and stuff because after like it does have a lot of sugar so you gotta be careful yeah ah like I like the spice from a Coke.
00:09:19
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and Hey, my friend Jill used to call herself, what? What is the Captain? is it Captain Morgan? They're like, put your knee up. I'm Captain Morgan. What did she used to say?
00:09:31
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she was El Capitano. I don't know. I've heard some friends that had some different party personas, I guess we'll say. El Presidente.
00:09:43
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That's what my friend Jill used to call herself when she got a little drunk. And then we have a friend Kelly who's like, when she gets too drunk, then her alter ego comes out and her name her name is Shaniqua, no!
00:09:59
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Yes!
00:10:02
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Don't ask me She's not of Native American descent, if that's what it sounds like. yeah Or a black girl. no ah okay her Her persona has some attitude.
00:10:17
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As long as she's not like the whitest person you know. like no, no. No, no, no. Like I said, she's got some Lebanese descent. She's ah she's a cool girl.
East Coast Cryptids
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anyway oh my god what are we talking about this week who knows we've been talking about drinks for 10 minutes or something yeah oh god uh we have some eastern eastern uh north american folk i almost must said folklore uh cryptids Yeah, I'm calling it East Coast cryptids, straight up.
00:10:57
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Yeah, that makes sense. I think you said you were kind of sticking to some that were in Canada, so I chose a couple that I found in the US. y Yeah, there's like quite a few to choose from, which I'm like, it's so funny. There's some that talked about other podcasts where i'm like,
00:11:16
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huh, how come we never talked about those where we mentioned them in passing? and then I'm like, oh, yeah, we talked lot where it was like cryptids in the woods and we maybe talked about like four or five and you're like, yeah that doesn't give them the space they deserve.
00:11:31
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Yeah. i I was originally going cover like three of them, but then after my notes got long enough with just two, I was like, I'll save this other one for a different time.
00:11:44
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Yeah, that's always nice. You can kind of adjust yeah depending on how many stories there Ooh. Okay. want to know what the third one is.
00:11:55
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Also. i can't say because then people, because if I'm going to cover it later on, then. Wow. Tight-lipped. Mysterious. I like it.
00:12:09
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You're worse than Pat when I we like go, what are we watching? Or what'd you put on? He goes, a movie. And I'm like, you just have to be. He doesn't say, hold on, I'll play the trailer for you. that was place Oh yeah, it's always not enough information or too much information.
00:12:28
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I'm just kidding. ah I'm trying to be cryptic. Exactly. Elusive. Yeah, i'm trying to be one of these elusive cryptids.
00:12:40
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He's always blurry when caught on camera. Yeah, I'm a streak. I'm a fuzzy out-of-focus pitcher where everything behind me is in focus, but just me is just me as out of focus.
00:12:53
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Oh, and every time somebody makes up a fake like girlfriend or boyfriend on TV, they're always Canadian, right? So who knows if any of yeah any of us are really real? Are we real? Gordo!
00:13:06
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Gordo, am I real? He's asleep. He can't. He can't weigh in. He's asleep.
The Pukwudgie Legend
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Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. This first one
00:13:20
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is the Pockwudgie. Pockwudgie. I know this name. Okay, I feel like we've maybe talked about it because it did seem vaguely familiar for some reason.
00:13:37
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He's got the best name. I don't know if we have talked about him. and Certainly not at any length, but yeah like the name always sounds familiar to me too. Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:49
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ah The punk wedgie has two different spellings. There's a G-I-E and then a J-I-E at the end. And then there's also another spelling. There's like... The first one I read just had these alternate spellings, and then the other source I looked up had about 35 variations on the name. So i was like, oh, that's a lot. I'm only going to cover these ones.
00:14:12
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Yeah, it's like all the different tribes or whatever, I think. Maybe. Yeah, because it is very like ah rooted in like Native American folklore, so there is a lot of different tribal names for it for different places.
00:14:26
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That's what I thought. Okay, cool. I love his name, Pukwudgie. Yeah, there's also the Pukwudginini. but oh that's cute.
00:14:38
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Yeah. it um And that one was translated by Henry Schoolcraft, which is a crazy last name.
00:14:50
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It was translate translated as Little Wild Man of the Woods That Vanishes. Okay. Yeah, that sounds familiar. i didn't... Yeah, I...
00:15:02
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heard about them, and then, like, we've done some research for this episode, so, like, I feel like that sounds familiar. And it's like, it's cute! I like that little man of the woods. Yeah.
00:15:13
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They're a human-like creature from Native American folklore that can be found the states like Delaware, also Prince Edward Island here in Canada, as well as parts of Indiana and Massachusetts.
00:15:30
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Ha ha ha. Every time I see the name, I'm like, how do I pronounce this? They're mass holes.
00:15:40
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um And they're similar to the European gnomes or fairies. So they're like little oh little guys. They're normally between two and three feet tall.
00:15:52
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ah So about your knee height. And they're normally found ah in the forest sometimes because they're believed to be spirits of the forest.
00:16:04
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And in some traditions, they have a sweet smell to them and are associated with flowers. which just painted the cutest picture in my mind of like a little garden gnome holding a flower ah to their big ass bulbous nose yeah probably they're probably wearing a red hat um yeah i've always heard of them but i never heard that part yeah i thought that was pretty cute yeah
00:16:36
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According to legend, they can appear and disappear at will, and they are known to lure people to their deaths, as well as confuse people or make them forget things.
00:16:47
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yeah Always the tricksters these little guys are. Yeah, they were said to be most often quite quite tricksters, uh... Sometimes like vengeful, I'd say.
00:17:01
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um They use magic. They can launch poison arrows arrows and create fire.
00:17:11
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Great.
00:17:14
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Yeah. They're able to shapeshift, but most commonly they take the form of a creature that is said to look like a porcupine from the back and then look half troll, half human-like from the front and that they walk upright on like two legs still.
00:17:32
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So it's kind of like a gnome, but like with porcupine back, yeah. I love the spikes, yeah. That's definitely an addition that puts you at a difference between the other little guys.
00:17:46
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Yeah, i was just picturing like ah a hedgehog as a garden gnome and then was like dying of cuteness. Just picturing that in my head. Going, oh my god. Maybe he looks like son much at the the Sonic the Hedgehog, but they have to keep up appearances to make sure they sound badass.
00:18:03
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Well, if it's got porcupine quills, those are pretty badass. They're scary. Oh, yeah. the mat oh The amount of times like our dog growing up, Lucy, got them in her face, and like we'd have to take her to the vet.
00:18:18
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And you'd driving her there and they're like sticking out of their poor snow and they can't even put their snow on anything because it's just going to drive them deeper. I have some insane... I wonder if I have it here. Oh, I do. but Going to the gallery.
00:18:35
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These are our porcupine quills that we my family brought back from Africa that are made into necklaces. Oh, God. Why are they so long?
00:18:48
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Like, they're crazy. these are These are all the good ones. They're like... Yeah. Those look like Wolverine's claws. Seven or eight inches. Yeah. yeah So this is what I was picturing. I was like, that's scary as shit.
00:19:02
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um yeah I don't know if they have different different porcupines in Africa. um But yeah, these are... So whenever I hear about porcupines, this is what I'm picturing in my head. These scary ass quills.
00:19:14
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Literally never heard of African porcupines. have no idea, but I would imagine everything's scarier there. And I was just like, wow, that's crazy.
00:19:26
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Yeah, they use them to make, those are like necklaces, so they like fan out across kind of like your chest, collarbone area. Like T'Challa Black Panther.
00:19:38
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Yeah. the one um Yeah, so they're like little porcupine gnome people. and They're also known to kidnap people, push them off of cliffs, attack people with short knives and spears, and also use sand to blind people.
00:20:01
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They are dirty fighters. They're dirty. Yeah, they fight dirty. They just whip in sand into your eyes. i Those, like, angry little leprechauns from The Simpsons. and white irish ddi no i don't um The one source also said that they can simply harm people by just staring at them.
00:20:28
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Oh, God.
00:20:31
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I thought was kind of creepy. It's the leprechauns who stare at goats. Yeah. no yeah Well, it's not that they can use magic and stuff. So I was like, are they just using magic when they're staring at you? Or is it simply them staring at you, harming you?
00:20:47
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Like, was confused by that. Don't love it. Yeah, I did find some nice information. One of the sources had about specific different Native American tribes um and their variations in what they believe. Mm-hmm.
00:21:08
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uh uh it just hadn't had and iha overall believing that the pakwajis were once friendly to humans but have turned against them and just want to be left alone and that we should leave them alone oh yeah and they also had this story yeah just leave them alone
00:21:35
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It said that a person who once annoyed one was a victim of some nasty tricks and was followed home once ah by one who caused a bunch of trouble for them.
00:21:46
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It's like a little story about it. Troublemaker. Yeah, they're definitely like troublemakers, tricksters. God, I love the trickster on Supernatural, though.
00:22:00
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Yeah, it's always funny episodes. ah So the first one it had was Algonquin. hope I'm pronouncing these right. Yeah.
00:22:11
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Algonquin ah believe they are similar to gnomes or fairies. And then in Abenaki and other Algonquin tribes, they are viewed to be dangerous, but only actually to people that disrespect them.
00:22:26
Speaker
So. Well, good for them. Yeah. Keep your disrespect out of your mouth. Right? So I guess if you respect them and leave them alone and everything, they shouldn't cause any problems for you.
00:22:42
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mean, this is just good advice, whether it's snakes. Or cryptids or whatever. Yeah. ah For the Ojibwe and other Great Lakes tribes, they consider them to be more mischievous, but basically good-natured creatures who will play tricks on people, but they don't consider them to be quite as dangerous.
00:23:09
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um Kind of more mischievous than actually dangerous. Yeah, goingnna really do so much harm, I guess.
00:23:21
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Yeah. um The Wampanoag, they view them as capricious and dangerous creatures who may play harmless tricks or even help a human neighbor.
00:23:37
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well that's nice. And it's said they're also just as likely to steal children or commit deadly acts of sabotage. great um That's where you lost me. That's kind of a wild swing. They play harmless tricks or even help neighbors, but then they'll steal your children and commit deadly acts of sabotage.
00:23:59
Speaker
Yeah, those are less on the mischievous side. Right? I thought so.
00:24:07
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yeah Not good, guys. Yeah, this little blurb, this is the last thing I have about them. It was from Wikipedia, and it was a little um story they had that I took from there saying, Pukwudgies are said to be the enemies of culture heroes.
00:24:28
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um The giant Mao shop and his wife, Granny Squannet. ah One story from the Wampanoag folklore explains that they began causing mischief and tormenting the natives out of jealousy of the devotion and affection the natives had for Maushap, who eventually exiled them to different parts of North America.
00:24:55
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So i think that's why they're found in a number of different states and in Canada, yeah because they were exiled. And the Pakwajis have since been hostile towards humans and took revenge by killing Maoshap's five sons.
00:25:11
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And some variations of the tale even suggest that they killed Maoshap himself. So I'm sure there's like longer versions of the actual stories, but it had like that little summary. So it is tied pretty deep in the different Native American folklore, which thought was interesting. Yes.
00:25:28
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I always find that interesting, too. i yeah if I run across an origin story like that one, I'm like, that's fun. And yeah, that sounds familiar. I like that one.
00:25:38
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It's really like, oh, that's how they ended up. scattered. You guys are just like, fuck you Yeah, across the coast. Yeah. They're like, humans are the worst. Let's just, like, get back at them. Yeah, when, like, um, a giant is the one that they were, that exiled them. They're like, whoa, we can't go after him, so let's, let's fuck with the humans.
00:26:06
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:10
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Oh, man. Yeah, so that's what I had on the Pukwudgie, which I thought was kind of cool. i didn't put any pictures of them on the drive. I'll try and find a picture for the website.
00:26:23
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Yeah, I think I've come across one or two in this research. like Yeah. Homespun Hanks had a page about them. was like, I know you. You're one of our... ah Cute. Cute.
00:26:38
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Like, fellow podcasters that came back at the same time. Yeah, I was, smart of you to do, like, a write-up, which means you come up, like, as the fourth, like, source when I looked up, like, Pukwudgie at one point. Oh, damn. Yeah.
00:26:51
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Yeah, super smart. oh Ours, I feel like, should do that, our episodes, but... um because they aren't hidden from search results i don't know that said i have our source words like i have our source pages hidden from search results so they don't come up unless you're like on that episode and like page on our website and you click the link to the sources page um Right, but if it's something that like most people haven't talked about and like you're one of the only people that have covered it, if you put it in your topic come on description, then people will be drawn to that page, which is cool.
00:27:33
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Because we still need more votes. Yeah, try to votes. No. Yeah. Because, like, our pages, i put the episode description on the page and then in the SEO thing, which is supposed to help people find it when they're just using, like, Google to search things.
00:27:50
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And then the episodes, I think, are also tagged, but the tagging might be more internal searching within our website um to find, like, themes of our episodes.
00:28:00
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Yeah. right because i have like all the paranormal episodes tagged as paranormal and all the one true crime ones yeah international true crimes or cryptids um but like the topics of each is also usually out there like the way the wine and crime yeah it'll be on our blog and their blog basically just has like you know their episodes and stuff it's their website yeah pictures and ours is similar yeah Yeah, it should be operating the same way.
00:28:29
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Thank you. At this point, it's basically, i have the templates for it that I just duplicate at this point and then, like, fill in everything, like, right with each episode's information. It still takes a while, like.
00:28:45
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Yeah, even though it's just, like, our audio. Yeah, it's just our audio, like, put up to YouTube, but, like, we'll. We'll see. Maybe once I get my little schedule rearranged this summer, and maybe I'll have more time off.
00:28:58
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And we might go to our little summer schedule with you guys so that we can make sure we keep putting out the good content we do that maybe we can look into some um fun stuff.
00:29:10
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Yeah.
Indrid Cold and UFOs
00:29:14
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um so second one is uh one i'm sure you've heard of i'm sure you have i hadn't i don't think okay just because i more listen to podcasts and stuff you think i've heard of it Yeah.
00:29:37
Speaker
Okay. This is Indrid Cold, or the Smiling Man, or the Grinning Man. Any of those names ring a bell? Okay, yeah.
00:29:48
Speaker
Yeah, the name does sound familiar. I i can't lie.
00:29:53
Speaker
Not too sure like yeah yeah what it was, though. Okay. Okay. That's good. I'm and more excited than... i was like, I'm sure Alana knows this.
00:30:06
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it I get it yeah I'm the one who's like more maybe chronically online I don't know well people also there is a theory that it's uh an alien it's like oh it's an alien alana probably knows about this one but gosh i do listen to a lot of podcasts don't i and then i think i just said that line more chronically online because one of the podcasters who always knows these podcast stories like well i'm always online and she says to her co-host amanda like that's probably why you don't know it it's like no sometimes you have to be in the deep dark corners of the internet to find this shit yeah
00:30:44
Speaker
It's not everywhere. doesn't just mean you're you're on TikTok, okay? No, but we gotta get back on there.
00:30:55
Speaker
We're gonna film some videos this summer, Kelsey. We will. Yes. We will. We're gonna try and do more things. Yay. That's exciting.
00:31:07
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Yeah, okay, so Indrid Cold, or the Smiling Man, or the Grinning Man, is an allegedly humanoid entity. ah This name, the Smiling Man, comes from its tendency to smile at almost everyone that encounters him. It's like big grin on his face.
00:31:27
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But like, think Smile 1 and 2. You should smile. And then he took it to heart. He... Is it Tyra Banks? Smile with your eyes.
00:31:37
Speaker
Smile. Oh, God. It's so hard. It's so hard, you guys. But it's, like, an unnatural, like, creepy smile. Think, like, smile one and two, where it looks... It looks sinister. That's what he's doing.
00:31:53
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no. The smile. Yeah, so just, like, over the top, really huge, looks like their face is gonna, like, break or something. And their eyes are not smiling.
00:32:05
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It's the opposite of SMI's. Yeah. yeah Totally. um Yeah, so it's reported to be human-like, though he is often associated with UFO activity that's happening in the same area. They seem to like spike in the area when there's been an encounter, and because of this, many believe he is he is an alien and may be connected with the men in black.
00:32:34
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Here come the men in black.
00:32:39
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Damn. Like, because you don't usually want to be associated with the men in black. they're the No, like I don't really have more information about the supposed connection, just that a couple things said that they were connected.
00:32:55
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um I do have ah information about a couple of the sightings, though. and The first sighting happened on October 1966. Long time
00:33:07
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long time ago This was two boys named Martin Mouse a Manov no and James Jimmy Yanchitis.
00:33:21
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Oh no, I didn't look at their names before. Were there initials like MMM and JJJ? Or wait...
00:33:31
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mm well i think the one guy went by mouse and the other guy was jimmy so i don't know what their middle names are but yeah the one guy would be mm and then jjy
00:33:44
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no or i guess jimmy is james oh whatever yeah i give up Shut up, guys. and They saw him while they were in New Jersey. They were walking along 4th Street when they saw this man standing behind a wire, maybe like chain link fence or something in a location that they believed would be inaccessible to anybody. And he's just like standing behind the fence.
00:34:12
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ah They said that he was over six feet tall, wearing a reflective green suit with a black belt. ah green suit reflective reflective with a black belt he had a dark complexion and small beady eyes that were set far far apart ah and creepy voice said that he did not have a nose ears or hair
00:34:47
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Which is horrifying to me. ah can't think I can't picture it. It's too creepy. I don't... Yeah, now I'm starting to picture weird little... No ears, no hair.
00:34:58
Speaker
Yeah, are you like a little cartoon character? Like... um Like a ape. Yeah, that came on where he had like a round head. I don't think Rain watched it, but I just knew he was that little French kid that...
00:35:14
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Almost like Stewie had almost like a watermelon head or something. Yeah. like i very much picture the, um
00:35:26
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like, the the Watchers or whatever in Fringe. Oh, yeah. fringe They're just like there, just like witnessing it, kind of standing off to the side. Oh, yeah, they present like men in black that have no hair or something. Yeah, kind of thing. Yeah.
00:35:46
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Strange. um Yeah. And the boy said he was standing there just staring at them with this really big grin. I don't know how this came about, but they said that he started chasing them and that they had to, like, run away from him and he chased them for quite a while before they were able to escape. Oh, shit.
00:36:07
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Which i thought was really creepy. yeah And apparently there was a bunch of reported UFO sightings around that time and in that same area, like, while this was going on.
00:36:21
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So...
00:36:23
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um Oh, this was quotes from an interview they must have done saying, ah Jimmy nudged me and said, who's that guy standing behind you? ah looked around and there he was behind that fence, just standing there.
00:36:37
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He pivoted around and looked right at us and he grinned a big old grin. Oh, no, thank you. Oh, my phone, sorry. I think the little interview thing at the end said the boys only remembered the details about the man later on.
00:36:55
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And though many mentioned this sighting, Injured Cold and the Grinning Man could be different entities. Because later on there's like different stuff that occurs during different sightings that kind of contradicts this first one.
00:37:09
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I suppose. So. But... They don't have to be exactly the same. Yeah, right? Yeah, wait, what? but So weird.
00:37:24
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The second one occurred, I think this is just a couple months later. oh not even a month later. This is a few weeks later, on November 2nd, 1966, in Parkersburg, West Virginia, around the same time sightings of the Mothman began. Oh no. The Mothman.
00:37:48
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It's either West Virginia Mountain Mama or a Mountain Mothman. Ha ha ha. yeah because i do think of that song because of the oceans ah it's not oceans 11 the joke that it's ocean 7-eleven it's the logan lucky movie yeah that's oh it's a really good hey but it's the same director it's the same director oh shit that's yeah that's probably why i like it so much and pat really likes it too we've watched it quite a few times it's the same director I'm positive it's Steven Soderbergh Soderbergh okay yeah yeah god I love the ones where they just all have their own little tasks and stuff it's just my favorite when they're just a big group team like Ocean's 11 oh yeah we just watched one that had you remember the guy who's like the antagonist in Ocean's 12 he's French he's the better thief he like
00:38:42
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gets through all the things he's one step ahead of them the whole way yeah we just watched a movie that had him in it as like the main guy and oh god it was called the shrouds and he did have a restaurant that had weird box shadow box shrouds in it and
00:39:04
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it It did get a little weird. I don't know if I would recommend watching it with your teenage daughter because it got a little weirdly sexy.
00:39:13
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We were like, should we watch, because this was the night where like we could watch Sinners, which is also out on like you know Xbox, or we could watch The Shrouds. And Rain was like, well, let's watch The Shrouds.
00:39:24
Speaker
And no, they liked Sinners much better. I'll just say that. The Shrouds was kind of weird. They were like... i I've only seen the Oceans movies like once each. I've seen Logan Lucky like five times.
00:39:41
Speaker
but oh So good, right? Yeah, the ah the actual Oceans movies I've only seen once. I think, like, actually paying attention to them each.
00:39:52
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Yeah, because there's not that much, like, to peel back watching them several times, really. Yeah. But I still love them. Yeah.
00:40:04
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And I confirmed it is the same director. He also did Contagion in 2011. Oh, that was, like, the pandemic movie that everyone watched. Yeah. Like with Matt Damon and Gwyneth Paltrow.
00:40:18
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Yeah. Before she got weird with goop. She got some weird goop stuff going on. Uh, anyway. yeah i was like, I could go there, but yep.
00:40:33
Speaker
How about a candle that smells like your vagina? Or space? Who cares? Maybe she wasn't the space one, but heard about that one. It was weird too.
00:40:44
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Wouldn't, don't they say space would smell like, oh no, space does smell like something. It's like burning, burning hair or something really terrible. Maybe something. I think space stations smell a little dirtier because the people are inside them.
00:40:59
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That's my guess. I don't want to think about it too hard though. Yeah. um So the, the gentleman that encountered this entity or being was Woodrow Derenberger, who was a sewing machine salesman.
00:41:20
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And he was driving home on the interstate around 730 that day when he heard a crash. And suddenly an unidentifiable vehicle started, like, landed in front of his truck while it was on the highway.
00:41:36
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Oh, okay. So he's just like driving along, kind of stops. and Yeah, and then he hears, yeah, hears a crash coming from somewhere. And then once he comes to a stop, like this vehicle lands in front of him.
00:41:49
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Weird. He described the vehicle as an old fashioned kerosene lamp chimney flared at both ends and narrowing down to a small neck and then enlarging in a great bulge in the center.
00:42:03
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like there's no, maybe there's drawings of what that means, but made nothing, no sense to me. Like, okay, cool. A kerosene lamp inside of a sort of vehicle. Yeah. That's throwing me off a little too. I don't really know.
00:42:23
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Yeah. An old fashioned kerosene lamp chimney flared at both ends, narrowing down to a small neck and then enlarging in a great bulge in the center. and mean Oh, is it just like the lamps that used to have like the tube and then it went like that and then it just had the tube again and that's where the flame was?
00:42:40
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Is that all he's trying to say? i think so. A great bulge in the center. Narrowing down to a small neck and then enlarging layered apple thin. I don't know. They refer to some kind of a lamp or something. There has to be better way describe that.
00:42:55
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Yeah. There has to be better way. Anyway, um he said the Gritting Man got out would of the vehicle and walked up to him and then telepathically told him that his name was Indrid Cold and that he meant him no harm.
00:43:09
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He also said that he was there because he just wanted to know more about the human race and that he would come back and visit Darren Berger again. After the encounter, Darren Berger stated that Cold said he was from the planet Lanulose?
00:43:28
Speaker
Uh, in the... Oh my god. The Genie Metis Galaxy? Oh. don't know if I've heard of this one. but but I have no idea.
00:43:44
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So, for the description, he said, again, he was about six feet tall with an olive complexion, and this time he had hair that was dark brown. This time his suit was...
00:43:57
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Yeah, but last time, like, the boys said he had no hair and he had no nose or ears. Yeah, that guy, I don't know. This guy, I'm like, okay, I probably slept with this type of guy. He's six foot tall. He's got brown hair.
00:44:10
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At least he's got a nose. Yeah. is Is he wearing a reflective blue suit? Tell us that. Okay. Is he part of the Fantastic Four?
00:44:22
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No.
00:44:25
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Don't get us started. I'm just kidding. He was otherwise normal looking with slicked back hair. ah He had a coat on with the top two buttons undone.
00:44:38
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Was his collar popped?
00:44:42
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That's what I thought too. I was like, ooh. I just immediately pictured we've been watching a miniseries starring Tom Hardy and it was like, his collar is always fucking popped. but What show is it?
00:44:57
Speaker
Mobland where he's like a fixer for like a mob family with and Helen Mirren's in it. and yeah it's It's a Guy Ritchie thing. yeah and the sits in London or whatever.
00:45:12
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well most of it it's in britain whatever they showed the millennium dome and i was like that's from your other little series guy richie you did the the non-fiction uh documentary on the the robbing of the millennium dome and i was like i covered that and it was fun to see the like thieves on tape anyway yeah Yeah. ah Okay, so he's got the coat coat with the buttons undone, pants that were the same material as the coat, but a bit of a lighter color.
00:45:44
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He was described as being quite tan, though not dark, and appeared just kind of like more of a normal human-looking being than what was so seen the first time.
00:45:55
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Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of like the ones that are... was going to say like the Nazi humans, but... The ones that look like the Nordic race because they're described as like tall and like blonde and don't know.
00:46:11
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Oh yeah. That's all I was saying. I'm sorry.
00:46:16
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Yes. I shouldn't have said the one. That was terrible.
00:46:21
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Not what I meant. ah So apparently after i think they might have still been speaking telepathically. I'm not too sure though. But after talking back and forth for about 10 minutes.
00:46:34
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um injured cold suggested that the darren berger guy like contact the local authorities and then he returned to his vehicle and it like rose into the sky and left oh fuck he's just like taking up with your police bye yeah right it was like that's a little weird not my problem darren sorry Apparently, he did contact and report the events to Parkland police after he got home, but then he ended up holding a press conference the next day and, like, answered questions to the press, which i was like, damn, like, can you imagine if I just wanted to hold a press conference? Like, how would I even do that? and
00:47:19
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and didn't think normal people could just hold a fucking press conference. Oh, because he is, like, he's just, like, a normal guy? i forget. Yeah, it said he was a sewing machine salesman.
00:47:32
Speaker
So, like, who is he? Why is he holding a press conference the next day? don't know, man. That is weird. Yeah. on The last... um There's been other sightings. This is, like, some of the bigger ones, though.
00:47:49
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um The third... Or the next sighting happened in Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Yay! Yay! which just makes me think of what's it where do they live in that 70s show it's like point it's something similar to that but in wisconsin yeah okay this is that um this is where both man is exactly last time it was like a city nearby but this is
00:48:20
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This is actually Point Pleasant when the Lily family ah had apparently been reporting a poltergeist poltergeist like activity occurring in their home.
00:48:35
Speaker
This one's pretty creepy. The daughter Linda was sleeping one night and woke up to find a man standing over her. oh no, no, no, no. Yeah. I was like, no, thanks. I'm going to have nightmares.
00:48:48
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um a spirit?
00:48:51
Speaker
Yeah, that's why this one's a little confusing too. She said, quote, it was a man, a big man, very broad. i couldn't see his face very well, but I could see that he was grinning at me.
00:49:05
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He walked around the bed and stood right over me. I screamed again and hid under the covers, and when I looked again, he was gone. um And that's really all the information I could find, other than, like, some people...
00:49:19
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like kind of discredit this one. um Okay. Yeah. I don't like it. ah Getting into some of the theories ah Most commonly, but as I said, is believed that Indrid Cold is an alien.
00:49:37
Speaker
This is supported by the UFO activity that seems to spike in its area and is more consistent with ah Darren Berger's sighting. It is also said by Darren Berger that the Grinning Man...
00:49:51
Speaker
is actually a species of aliens, um because he says this is what Indrid Cold told him, that there's multiple others like him, one named Demo Hassan and one named Carl Ardo, back on its home planet.
00:50:10
Speaker
Oh, those are their alien names. Yeah, there's actually a picture of the one that is believed to be Demo Hassan. um Yeah, there's actually a picture of it. I put it on the drive.
00:50:26
Speaker
shit. It's captioned. Hold on. A supposed image of Demo Hassan, photo taken by Alan Greenfield in 1969 at Congress of Scientific Ufologists in Charleston, West Virginia. And it's like a dude in a black shirt and blazer, black sunglasses and a white a white hat.
00:50:50
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so there's like a supposed picture of the one. Right. Yeah. um However, people have kind of discredited this, that they could be aliens, um stating that it's pretty unlikely.
00:51:14
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unless the aliens were some sort of shape-shifting species because it would be almost impossible for another race to have taken the exact same evolutionary path as like humans did for them to be able to look so much like us unless they could shape-shift into us oh okay which could also sort of explain why the first encounter like it didn't have a nose and ears and hair and then the second one maybe it did because it had now encountered people or something.
00:51:45
Speaker
Huh. This is hard for me to contemplate. I'm just like, we think there's like a missing link. We don't know what any of that looks like, but this is even weirder to comprehend.
00:51:57
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Yeah.
00:52:00
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According to the Lily family encounter, which was the third one, um that one kind of more so suggests that the entity may be a ghost or spirit of some kind um that could have been connected to the poltergeist activity they were experiencing, um more so than just like aliens or something.
00:52:21
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Yeah, the teenager, they always blame it on the teenager energy. and But yeah. Yeah. And then some believe that it was a normal human man or even a hoax.
00:52:35
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ah This is kind of believed because of the popularity and fear of the Mothman who had been first sighted around the same time. so like they maybe saw like the popularity of the witnesses that like were reporting their but sightings with Mothman. And then they were like, oh, let's report sightings of something too. And we can get on the news or something.
00:53:00
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I can't even imagine. He's, like, become so cutesy now with some of the Mothman renditions that I'm like, but he's not here to hurt you. i know. when um Indrid Cold said, like, they just wanted to learn more about people and that they would visit that guy again. Right. Okay.
00:53:23
Speaker
okay There's a... Maybe this is pronounced Tanya. Okay. the Tanya Derenberger.
00:53:34
Speaker
i don't know if this is like... Is it T-A-N T-O-N? T-A-U-N-I-A. Oh, my. Yeah.
00:53:45
Speaker
I guess that's my best guess as well. think it's Tanya. Yeah, yeah, yeah. nah. I'm pretty sure I know Natanya and Asanya, but they were spelled with just a YA.
00:53:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. ah Yeah, this might be that guy's daughter. um she meant She wrote a book, apparently. And then in it, she mentioned that Indren Cold might also be known as Valiant Thor.
00:54:12
Speaker
um i love that guy's name. I've heard him. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know who if he was. apparently spent three years at the Pentagon. i don't either. I just know he's some alien dude and I love his fucking name.
00:54:30
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yeah That's probably all I remember about him. Sorry, what? From Wikipedia, it said Valiant Thor, who may have presented himself as injured cold to the Darren Bridger family, appeared at Howard Menger's UFO convention in Highbridge, New Jersey in 1957. Wow.
00:54:50
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And publisher Gray Barker worked with Thor to convince several counties to approach authorities and publish books in an attempt to, or in an apparent attempt to influence public opinion on a variety of political issues.
00:55:06
Speaker
So that doesn't sound great. Oh, sorry. Uh, uh.
00:55:14
Speaker
No, no, I got some background noise. Yeah, those ones are crazy. It's like, I wonder if, you know, we hear abduction stories and UFO stories still, but like, when they almost seem to like hit their peak, like, was that not the 50s and stuff after, 51?
00:55:38
Speaker
Yeah, I think so It seems like there's a lot of stories from then, and I wonder... if they realize where our technology is like, like catching up rapidly and they don't do it as much, or maybe they're more ah secretive about it now or something like that.
00:55:56
Speaker
Yeah. Makes me wonder though. Yeah. yeah
00:56:03
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Um, but apparently, like, Darren Berger, after he did that little news conference thing the next day after his encounter, that apparently sparked, like, a media frenzy.
00:56:13
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And the following afternoon at 4 p.m., the WTAP-TV aired a 30-minute interview that they ended up doing with Darren Berger. Okay. And after that interview, other people claimed to have encountered a man of similar description,
00:56:31
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And local newspapers started running stories about the mysterious figure for, like, the next three weeks.
00:56:39
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And then... Yeah, so it was, like, gaining traction and the news and stuff. And in later years, Darren Berger claimed to have been taken... ut claimed to have taken multiple trips to Indrid Cold's home planet that he said was called Lanulos.
00:57:03
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and Darren Berger's story ration
00:57:07
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story the story continued to receive significant press coverage and in 1970 Darren Berger's tale was further popularized by author John Keel in his book Strange Creatures from Time and Space and oh shit estranged creatures indeed no it's it comes up like in the podcast circuit and like i feel like the one ah like there's other stories like it where the lady i talked about had a alien like lover and it's yeah interesting because they built like they're so dead set with it that i have to believe them you know
00:57:54
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um elizabeth claire that's what i'm thinking about that i covered she was from south africa and she had her little alien alien guy that was named akon or whatever he was done yeah not the singer maybe that's where i get his name yeah out of it yeah um I just have a little bit more.
00:58:18
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Kiel revisited the injured cold story in his 1975 book titled The Mothman Prophecies. That one. Yeah. On which the movie is based loosely, I'm sure. Yeah.
00:58:33
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um And that book centered on reports of a huge winged creature known as the Mothman in West Virginia. And then a few years later, by 1979, the story of Darren Berger riding aboard a spaceship to that home planet with injured cold was shared by UFO author Grave Barker.
00:58:54
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um And while Darren Berger had described Cold as a benign space brother who offered healing medicine, um later depictions cast him as more of an ultra-terrestrial or cryptid, sometimes sporting an uncanny, inhumanly large smile.
00:59:17
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Oh, that's gross. Uh-huh. yeah ah In his 1975 book, The Mothman Prophecies, Kiel suggested that cold was linked to Mothman, reports in Point Pleasant, which began on November 15th, 1966, 13 days after Darren Berger's press conference.
00:59:40
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So this, like, grinning man, smiling man, injured cold thing happened 13 days before
00:59:51
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So, which That's a weird time for, like, more to talk Yeah, I was like, oh. in the And he, like, um so what happened is the boys, hold on, what date exactly was this?
01:00:06
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Point Pleasant began November fifteenth so the first like mothman sighting or yeah and the first sighting of this like entity was october 16th 1966 that was the two boys and that was in new jersey and then ah november 2nd is when darren berger said you saw him and that was in parkersburg west virginia
01:00:40
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And then the first Mothman sighting happened a couple weeks later. wow
01:00:47
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In Pleasant Point, West Virginia. And then the third um injured cold supposed sighting then happened in Pleasant Point, West Virginia.
01:01:00
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But basically the only Mothman sighting, right? Like, he only appeared a couple times, if I recall. I think so. And, like, he doesn't have any. It's like you said when you taught me all about Mothman.
01:01:14
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He doesn't have any other guys. They talk about Bigfoot, but we know there's more than one, like, Sasquatch or whatever. Yeah. This guy's, like, solitary Like, stuff did say that there was, like, I think it was a little confusing. Like, I think they talk about the three of these, like, grinning men or whatever. Okay.
01:01:35
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as being the ones that have visited Earth, but, like, back on the home planet, there's a lot more. um yeah I hate that part. Yeah. Grimming men.
01:01:48
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No. Yeah, it's creepy. And then, so the... Hold on, I have to check his first name again. I don't have it. I only had it the once.
01:02:00
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Where is it? nobody cares about first names oh woodrow how could i forget a name like woodrow like woodrow yeah yeah i kept thinking that every time i typed his name when i was typing this up yesterday and then i totally forgot it uh so woodrow darren berger he's the one that saw him um he passed away in
01:02:23
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Yeah, he passed away in 1990. it didn't say what of or anything like that. But a lot of the stuff I read did say that they believe that Indrid Cold still visits West Virginia to this day, and that a lot of people in West Virginia are still saying that they see him visiting.
01:02:42
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um and like hanging around and like observing and stuff but I don't have any other detailed sightings to go over so yeah that's it that's fine I love a creepy little guy i just love yeah an alien sighting you know like yeah a person or a humanoid somebody can't explain like Yeah, i love these kind of stories. They really, like, are freaky and also kind of cool because you're like, what if we did like, get to talk to people from outer space?
01:03:13
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And then I was like, ooh, Mothman. Yeah, said Mothman. He was a friend of Mothman. Friend of a friend. And I just liked Mothman could introduce us. Truly.
01:03:24
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i I just thoroughly enjoyed that in though ah the one article I read that was talking about it. Because I got ah some of my information from the Cryptids fandom website thing. Oh my god, there's a lot good cryptids. I think they literally had... They did a Wikipedia... The only picture they had for Mothman was that statue with like the abs and then the...
01:03:50
Speaker
the really firm buts steel but and i was just like oh that's the most hilarious if you were to pick only one picture to represent mothman that it's that big statue i think that's hilarious where's the cartoon mothman he's everywhere yeah where's the cute i have the i have it' the little mothman guy i think the sticker you gave me of him on the little light bulb and then the patch you gave me I'm working to make it your whole personality. Just like I told you, I might want to get a lot of this monster tattoo because it's Cryptoots and it's Scottish.
01:04:27
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And you know what? You didn't hate it and Pat only balked a little bit. So I think it sounds kind of cool. Who cares? I think he just needs a little tartan um little hat and a little scarf.
01:04:42
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the pork pot maybe a kilt yes oh my god um can he wear a little kilt i don't know how to make that happen oh no now it's gonna have to incorporate outlander which she did see the lock this monster once in those books let me tell you damn he'll be in the stone circles just like in our um logo like this big foot oh yeah Oh my, don't even get me started. I'm reading my recent favorite Will Trent book, which also has become a series on like ABC. So go check it out. You people that don't like books, but like TV shows about cops and stuff.
01:05:23
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um And she like, they're in like Georgia or whatever. That's where the show is based. And they're like, go on this honeymoon. And she's like, God, We're like walking around this resort at night and I wish I hadn't watched or heard that Bigfoot podcast.
01:05:39
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And they put Big Space Foot as if it was like his proper name. And I was like, oh, I'm sorry. Is it like Mr. Foot? It's not Bigfoot. It's Big you know Space Foot. i was like, you are weirding me out the way you're spelling this. This is not right.
01:05:57
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That was how... ah Whatever I was typing, um one of the names or whatever, it was like, should there be a space here? And I was like, no. Oh, it was Mothman. It wanted me to put a space between Moth and Man. i was like, no.
01:06:15
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How many times I have to press add to dictionary for it to stop underlining squonk? I will tell you. It's a lot. I just hit always ignore. Ignore all. I know. Ignore.
01:06:27
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That should anyway, if they're not all, like, capitalized, it will only ignore the under, the lowercase. Yeah. It's like, oh, this one's got an apostrophe S. I'm not going to ignore that one. You've got to do those separately.
01:06:40
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oh my God. That reminds me of a thing I read on Reddit where they were, like, a hack that most people don't know. And it was, like, it's hard to like, copy and paste. um But it's not just, like, control V. It's, like, something that makes all the text, like,
01:06:53
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and the fonts go the same and like the same size when you like copy it and i was like that would be actually really handy for if like i'm copying something from notes and it's in like completely different like size and font from like my notes anyway i was like see i just go like after i get all my sources ready and everything's good to go i just go like select all and then just pick the font i want and then the size
01:07:24
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Right, because I think you have a tendency to, like, put your, like, more quotes and stuff in first. We're all, like, I don't know, write a few bullet points and then, like, add some... I don't know.
01:07:35
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I don't know what we do.
01:07:39
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i just know we do it. Um...
01:07:43
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I just hate trying to read on a website when it's got, like, ads popping up and shit. So I'm copying and pasting everything from the website and putting it into a Word document so I can just look at what is written and not, like, all these ads where it's saying, you have one article left.
01:07:59
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That's all know.
01:08:03
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Yes, that's, yeah, I find that it's hard when the copy and pasting comes in.
01:08:09
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All of a sudden you got all the fucking, yeah, ads and stuff highlighted. You're like, I didn't want copy and paste that! Yeah, it's stupid. Yeah. Alright, well, and we will stop this one. That is at least part one, and we'll be right back.
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We're looking forward to seeing you next Thursday.
01:09:26
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You know you've been a bad little girl.
01:09:54
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um shit what i'm saying yeah we watched that and then i know we we were trying to wait out and watch it in the theaters uh the final destinations but then i was like i got paid this week and they were like well it's already pat was like i can already like buy it on xbox and i was like oh that's the thing we'll watch it here yeah it's you basically have like two weeks maximum a month to try and see something in theaters I know, I thought it came out when Sinners came out, and I was like, I'm sure like i can take Rain to it this month, or something. like We all wanted to go see it, like, in theaters, but I think I just missed it.
01:10:38
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Yeah, it's, like, stupid.
01:10:42
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um But anyway, I guess now we own it, if you haven't seen it yet. We can watch it No, I haven't yet It was pretty good. yeah it was pretty good. Yeah.
01:10:53
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Yeah.
01:10:55
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The Shrouds. That other horror movie. That was questionable. Yeah. yeah Okay, I picked some funny sounding... I liked some of the ah funny named cryptids.
01:11:11
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Yeah, I don't know. um We'll start with the Uggwug.
Cryptids of New Brunswick
01:11:18
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who comes from the same province I do. He's from New Brunswick. He resides around the Reversing Falls in St. John, New Brunswick, in fact. Have we talked about the Uggwag?
01:11:32
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yeah I may... I feel like he may have come up in a mention. because you know when we do the ones where, like, Cryptids by Air, Sea, Forest, whatever? i'm like... Yeah. I know I've touched on a few in some of those where I didn't, like, talk about them a lot.
01:11:48
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So, yeah, like... He sounded familiar to me, too, also, if but I didn't remember. okay. So if you guys don't remember, I'll give you a ah quick rundown, I guess.
01:12:01
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Sorry if we have talked about him and, like, you guys have that um trap, clap, trap of a memory. Steel trap memory. Yeah. um He appears in St. John, New Brunswick, where the severe tides cause the river to literally change directions.
01:12:20
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directional flow twice a day. um which is just kind of cool. That's why they call it the reversing falls. It's a fun feature of us having the ah highest tides in the world in the maritime provinces.
01:12:36
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So um okay it kind of explains that the reversing falls is a unique phenomenon created by the collision of the Bay of Fundy and the St. John River.
01:12:48
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So at low tide, the river empties into the bay, causing a series of rapids and whirlpools. and as tides rise, they slow the river current for a brief period called slack tide.
01:13:00
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they push up against the current and, like, stop it. um The base tides continue to rise, gradually reversing the flow of the river. Rapids form again, peaking at high tide, and an 8.5-meter, 28-foot tide cycle is roughly 12.5 hours.
01:13:18
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So it gets pretty crazy, I guess.
01:13:23
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Most rivers don't empty into a bay and then like the sea pushes them back up again. But I guess that's what happens with this one. Weird. I know. I always knew it was called like the reversing tides, but i didn't really understand.
01:13:36
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the reversing falls because it's like a waterfall. didn't like these cliffs. um Since the 1950s, there have been tales of the creature that lives there. He's said to live in the sea-carved caves.
01:13:49
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um God, I love a sea cave. Next time I go back home, I'm taking some pictures. We were at, like, high tide last time we were in St. Andrews by the sea, and it was like, oh, the sea caves are all full of water. We can't get in there unless we, like, kayak, you know? i just want to go and, like, take some pictures.
01:14:07
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Yeah. um And yeah, he's described as a seal salmon hybrid, which does sound kind of gross.
01:14:19
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Ew, yeah. salmons are ugly, but seals, I think, are beautiful. They're my favorite. yeah if It could be much cuter with a different face.
01:14:35
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yeah um well did I upload the folder yet? Because they did make a CBC, a Canadian broadcasting company, a show about it where he kind of looks like this purple fur seal and he's called the Uggwug.
01:14:50
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And he makes friends with a girl ah called Ariel. Little Mermaid. Yeah, I think I found a picture of when was doing my research and may have included it.
01:15:03
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But, like, he looks like, like, picture, like, Barney, but, like, a big old fur seal Loch Ness monster thing. was, like, purple haired. um was, like, oh, this looks fun.
01:15:15
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yeah. Is the folder up there? Yeah, it's just got, like, the front part of its face, though. Yes, I didn't see a whole body.
01:15:28
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doesn't look like a salmon to me in that. yeah think they made it look more palatable and kid-friendly. Yeah. um But there's some other, like, drawings.
01:15:40
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um So since the 1950s, there have been tales of the creature. oh yeah, sorry. Seal-salmon hybrid can be up to 30 meters in length and cuts through the fog in a creepy way, I would imagine.
01:15:57
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Yeah. One quote said, the Uggwug is a mysterious creature that lives in the caves beneath the surface of the reversing falls, said history buff and former St. Johner Francis Hellier.
01:16:09
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ah handful of written sources variously claim that the creature is an old Inuit legend and that the story dates all the way back to the Champlain era. Wow.
01:16:21
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It is funny that it comes up that, like, it might be an Inuit legend where that's... people that live in point much northern Canada. Yeah. yeah Okay. there Yeah, that comes in a lot where they're like, well, this name could come from this, but they're like, I don't know why it would since we're in like ah southern Canada, so to speak.
01:16:44
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As southerners. Exactly. That's what they called us. I remember when we did that other episode where they, yeah, there was a bunch from the north in the hospital there.
01:16:58
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Yeah.
01:17:01
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Legend holds the creature is about 30 meters long, half salmon, half seal, and you can see it in the spring when the moon is full and the tide is out, Hellier said. Others have embellished the story with details about the monster's big red eyes and quote-unquote massive appetite.
01:17:20
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Don't love that. Sometimes it's even seen walking on land, which would make sense if it has a seal's sort of flippers, I guess. but Yeah, this one picture looks crazy.
01:17:31
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It's got like, yeah, like crazy webbed feet and then like fins on its back and its face looks like a snake. Oh, really? Okay, can't remember one it is. don't know. It looks like it has pinchers. It looks like it has pinchers in front of its face.
01:17:50
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Like some sort of spider. I don't know. There's a lot going on. Oh, yeah yeah, yeah, I remember finding that one too words it was like Uggwugs and there's like, yeah, the webbed feet. 16 different animals.
01:18:01
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Yeah, that one's confusing I'm like, where's the seal? Where's the salmon in this picture? looks like so many things. Yeah, it's like, uh, it's a platypus. Or like what they think when they see animals like that.
01:18:19
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We were just watching gravity ah Gravity Falls episode again the other day, and she sees this like carnival creature, and she's I don't know if it's a panda or like a duck, but I want it or something that and i was like that.
01:18:30
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And I was like, it's a platypus. oh Oh, no. They're the weirdest creatures. They look like cryptids. Come on. It's like up until a couple years ago, um my brother didn't believe that narwhals existed. He thought they were made up for like the elf movie.
01:18:49
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I've heard people think of that. And then I was like, they exist. It's not just a cartoon character for the elf movie. They're just crazy looking. I had to look up pictures of narwhals and show it to him.
01:19:02
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was like, my brother is in his mid-30s and he didn't know narwhals for real. like, this is great. Travis, today I learned. Narwhals are real. ah Yeah, not just invented by um Will Ferrell and somebody else.
01:19:20
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Hi, buddy. Pixar, but that's not right. I hope
01:19:26
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your dad. That's what it's such a good movie. um No, I feel like I've seen posts like that. It always makes me laugh. um Because they do seem insane, like unicorns. Yeah, just crazy. Some animals, yeah.
01:19:38
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Platypus is one of them too that's also kind of weird. And like anteaters. ah Yeah, there's weird water creatures. Why do I have one that looks like a hammerhead? do have one that's called a sperm whale and has a bunch of weird oil or not sperm in its head?
01:19:55
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Don't get me started.
01:19:58
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um Okay, I'm almost done with this weird Uggwug.
01:20:03
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So, it is weird that sometimes it's even seen walking on land. i don't even know if i said that, but like, yeah, he could be a a weird platypus hybrid. have a Gordo now.
01:20:18
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Baby. A number of strange tales are related in a typewritten s way but essay by David D. Archibald circa the 1950s, tucked away in the vertical files of the St. John Free Public Library.
01:20:31
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One man is said to have seen it and died of fright shortly after without speaking of it. no Then how did they know he saw it if he didn't speak of it? He was terrified.
01:20:43
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That's all I know. Whatever that supernatural episode is that Dean gets so afraid of everything. I think they call it commonly the ghost sickness one, where he, like, and opens the locker and it's like a cat or something who just, like, screams bloody murder. Yeah. And he's like, that was scary!
01:21:07
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ah Yes. Or that little chihuahua or whatever chasing him. He's like, but
01:21:15
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Is it? I think that's the same episode. It's like a tiny dog. Yeah, like a Pomeranian, maybe? Something. I don't know. A teeny tiny dog, and he's like, I was getting chased by a beast or something.
01:21:29
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. Never mind.
01:21:33
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I swear there's one where they to pick between door number one, number two, and number three. and like number two is like a Pomeranian. Doesn't look scary. I don't know if this is supernatural now. I can't remember.
01:21:44
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But they're like, oh, Pomeranian. That doesn't seem scary. But then they pick it and it's super scary. But now I can't remember which that one is.
01:21:55
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Okay. Gordo's pushing back his head against me so hard. ah
01:22:04
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He does kind of look like he's posing. He's like, can you see me? I'm right in front of the camera. There's my face.
01:22:13
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Aw. But Fenrir does lean into it if I, like, ah scratch his neck. He really loves it.
01:22:22
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Um, okay. This one's almost done. Another the story describes how a man drowned Lawler Lake, which was, quote, a body of water reported to be bottomless along present-day Rothesay Road.
01:22:39
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And his body was found weeks later on a ledge in the Limestone Gorge at the Falls. Um, which is weird, because if he was drowned in a lake, how did he get to the Falls?
01:22:52
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But Archibald theorized that there are underwater caverns which extend for many miles from one place to another. don't know. Underwater be and underground stuff just is always freaky.
01:23:09
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He called it a strange amphibian creature, noticed by hunters when it was following in the wake of the fish. And then there was a quote, strange because of its resemblance to both a salmon and a seal.
01:23:20
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and amphibious because becoming quite friendly with them it would occasionally venture from its ocean lair and sit on the banks of the river basin that would be so creepy to see something crawl out of the ocean know i'm like they can picture like a frog when it's like half a tadpole still right where it's got a little like tail like they can crawl out of the water but it looks weird yeah yeah um Because of this affinity for both land and humans, the Eskimo christened the... Birds. Oh, I heard that bird. Sorry.
01:24:00
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Probably magpies are one of those loud ones. um God, I don't even know how say this word. Equinoxical? Equinoxical?
01:24:12
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Visitor? no idea. The Equinoxical Visitor Uggwug meaning the friendly animal. It goes on to say, Uggwug, Archibald writes, is still found in the lower basin, but below the whirlpools.
01:24:26
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God, I'm sorry. the birds The birds are singing. Are you Snow White? They're like literally right outside my door, and now have my window open because it's hot in here.
01:24:40
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will wait We frequently bird watch from our back windows, so... I can't say that we discourage them from coming around. Yeah, same with my yard.
01:24:54
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I don't know what they're doing out there right now, but the fucking squirrel the other day, like he'll go and eat from the bird feeder. And sometimes Pat would like, oh, squirrel's eating. And I'm like, let me leave him alone. He's a squirrel. They gotta to eat as much as the birds, right?
01:25:08
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but yeah the squirrel is like so funny sometimes he'll be like he'll stop if he thinks he sees you or you see him and he's like a statue and then like yeah it's like okay buddy what was gonna say um and then yeah sometimes you're like yeah okay but he's just like what don't know Silly.
01:25:37
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Oh, he was doing his chittering thing. I guess that's what it was. where that Squirrels make a weird like... He was making like a chittering noise. And he was looking inside the big window and doing it. and his whole body was like chirping. He was I'm like, what are you saying? Like, come eat from our bird feeder? You're, like, making the loudest noise, but you're, like, right outside the window when you're doing it.
01:26:00
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oh weird. It is weird. It's weird to see squirrels doing things where you can, like, see them right outside the window like you're an experiment. Anyway.
01:26:13
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So, yeah, these guys. The Uggwags, you can only see at certain times in the spring if the tide is on the ebb. Or an evening full of moonlight and a quart full of moonshine, said one quote, which I thought was kind of funny.
01:26:30
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was like, quart full of moonshine, you might be seeing anything you want. but Yeah, that's, um, but what proof are we talking?
01:26:42
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Right? It can get up there. it can get up there real high. The tide must be on the ebb. Remember that time and tide wait for no man, and there are two other essential ingredients.
01:26:53
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An evening full of moonlight and a quart full of moonshine. After all necessities have been given proper attention, the Uggwug will appear. bound
01:27:05
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But other than that, and like some of the images are attributed to him where it looks like he's kind of a giant like head for a sea creature. but other than that, um there's mention of other cryptids and lake monsters in the area.
01:27:24
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Which I was like, fair. I've never heard this guy, and I'm probably Brunswick. um But every stupid lake has a monster. There's also another cryptid, maybe, who's mentioned by Samuel de Champlain, which is probably who they name all the Champlain places after.
01:27:43
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but He was like an explorer guy. Samuel de Champlain collected a legend about the goo so Don't know if I'm saying that right. A creature found in the warm water in the north of the province that could swallow a ship in one bite, said St. John storyteller David Goes.
01:28:01
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Yeah. That's gotta be a big, big creature. Right? Like, are you the kraken?
01:28:10
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But. He also said there's no link between the Goo Goo and the Reversing Falls. Says you. um Some do say it could be made up by the Reversing Falls trading post guy who first talked about it to David D. Archibald.
01:28:28
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um Like maybe he kind of made this up as a tourist, you know, attraction. um But this guy was considered a, quote, local authority on the falls kind of lore, like from the area.
01:28:43
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and he died in 1959. They took down the Uggwug mural shortly after. was like, oh no. Just because this guy's into the Uggwug doesn't mean he's making it up.
01:28:56
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um Yeah, apparently there's a CBC show where he meets a child named Ariel. I think I mentioned that. He kind of looks like a purple Barney. Yeah. It's very purple.
01:29:08
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Very purple. It looks cute, though. He has, like, little seal ears. I don't know. Maybe can find it and watch it.
01:29:20
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But they often fear refer to the Lake Utopia cryptid, who may be even more real. We don't know. His stories go back to the mid-19th century, so, like, you know, eighteen fifty s i guess.
01:29:35
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hundred years prior to the Uggwag and we meet this cryptid who is often referred to just as Old Ned. okay He's the Lake Utopia monster located in Charlotte County branching off the McAdavit River.
01:29:55
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Which is fun to say because it's also spelled ridiculously like McAdavit. Oh no. I love knowing how to pronounce things that are like in the, you know, um local lore. Like anytime somebody called covers Mandy the doll, which I think you covered, but she's from British Columbia, from place that you don't pronounce the S, it's Quinnell, but spelled Quesnel. So anybody that ever covers her is always like, the Quesnel Museum. And I'm like, you know, just because it's in Canada, like,
01:30:32
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still google the pronunciation one time i'll never get over listening to a podcast and hearing somebody say banaf and i was like what banaf banaf i was like uh bamf bamf they're like bamf you can make those noises with your mouth yeah just try it it's like okay cool I'm like, yeah, I'm not great at pronouncing stuff. Sometimes, sometimes I have to just go, I know how this word is pronounced. And if I try and pronounce it while I'm reading the word, like spelled out, I can't do it. I have to just say the word and pretend like I'm not looking at it at the same time because I will yeah pronounce it wrong if I'm looking at it
01:31:22
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Well, you do almost have to Google everything, like just the case in point. though It's called Quenelle, but you wouldn't know it's a silent S because fucking English has so many stupid silent everythings that like, before I moved out West, did I know that it was pronoun pronounced Quenelle and not Queznal? No, I did not.
01:31:39
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but but Did I know that was pronounced Macadavic instead of Maguagwadavic? oh
01:31:49
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Yeah. It's tough. There's so many, like, native influence names. oh Anyway, but I feel bad, because then when you try to cover something, and then someone pronounces the wrong name. Everybody comes at you in the comments, and, like, whatever. Yeah.
01:32:03
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You do your best. yeah do your best hard, and sometimes you look up pronunciation, all you got is, like, AI robot people, like, telling you the voice, and you're just like, oh, great, well, that wasn't helpful, because that wasn't a real person. Exactly.
01:32:17
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Like, say it's not a mainstream fucking language, even if it's, like, Celtic, you know, like, Gaelic, whatever. that can be, like, yeah so fucking hard. And that's supposedly still English.
01:32:32
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Gordo, you are being such a little attention sock right now. um Almost done. Old Ned's fame began way back in the late 1700s when the local Mi'kmaq passed on the story of a group of native hunters ah who were being chased in their canoes by a gigantic lake creature all the newly arrived Europeans.
01:32:57
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Sorry, didn't write that part. If this was intended as a way to keep the newcomers away from the lake fishing, it didn't work. No sooner did word spread than fishermen from the nearby townships began trying to catch themselves a sea monster.
01:33:10
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They sent out in boats onto the lake. Of course.
01:33:16
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Stringy baited hand lines and giant nets, but to no avail. It seemed old Ned wasn't interested in meeting his new neighbors just yet.
01:33:29
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Mostly described 20-30 feet long. He'd rear his ugly head and show his sharp teeth with the head the size of an old-fashioned bathtub. for Sometimes nowadays he's said he's having a horse-sized head.
01:33:46
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And some say has dark red scales. um A few specific incidents, like 1867, some sawmill employees watched as something eel-like rolled repeatedly in the water near the center of Lake Utopia.
01:34:03
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no pictures.
01:34:06
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and No, there is a picture of Lake Utopia, though. looks Yes, no, there was actually a couple good like drawings of that one, which I'm like, how is this one more well-known than the Uggwag? I don't know.
01:34:21
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In 1982, a worker from a nearby paper mill outside on this break saw a large creature surface like a submarine with water spilling down its sides. The witness could see only a hump or maybe a section of the body of a huge eel, which then quickly disappeared back into the lake.
01:34:37
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And finally for him in 1996, a group out canoeing on Lake Utopia followed a creature measuring 30 to 40 feet as it swam just underneath the surface. It was noted that the movements were up and down and not side to side as most eels would swim.
01:34:54
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Like a dolphin. Dolphins swim up and down. Don't they? They do all kinds of things.
01:35:05
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They are super smart.
The Sad Tale of the Squonk
01:35:09
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So, the squonk. I have mentioned this one. I don't know if we've talked about the pod, but I think he has a funny name and I've heard about him on other podcasts.
01:35:21
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um I will tell you which one I get confused this one with, but this one is a cryptid of a very retiring disposition, which is a unique way of describing something.
01:35:32
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So very Victorian. Yeah, I don't even know what that means. Retiring? to puts you to sleep. Yeah, really though?
01:35:43
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um He is very slow, so maybe. He's generally traveling at about twilight and dusk, and because of its misfitting skin, which is covered with warts and moles, it is always unhappy.
01:35:58
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Oh no, yeah, this one picture looks like it's crying. It's super sad. It's the saddest cryptid. Aww. so like Eeyore.
01:36:10
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is! It's like a wrinkly. It's like Eeyore had a baby with like the... A pug. Dogs called? Yeah. no they're Are they pugs? No, not pugs.
01:36:21
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No, my ex had one. He called it Maximilian something. Big, uh... Wreckly dogs. Sharpays? Sharpays. Something like that. Oh.
01:36:33
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So cute, though. has so much skin, this guy. Yeah, he looks like a wrinkly little crying, like I don't know, a pig or something? Yes, like he's very pig-like. I thought we had talked about him before, but I think I've just heard about him on other podcasts.
01:36:53
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Anyway, I think I might have been confusing him or one who's like um also kind of creepy looking, but looks more like a moose. So, that's not this guy.
01:37:04
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This guy's got lots of skin. Yeah, he's like a Sharpay. He's a wrinkled dog. He's misfitting skin. Covered in warts and moles. He's always unhappy. So he's the disposition of a teenager.
01:37:16
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on His parents are getting divorced. Going through puberty. you don't even understand me, Mom. You can't understand what I'm going through.
01:37:28
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It's like he wants to be sad.
01:37:33
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You can literally hunt him and follow him by his tear-strained de trail. No! That's the most depressing thing I've ever heard. Right?
01:37:46
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Follow the tears! Yeah.
01:37:51
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Don't hunt it if it's crying. Oh, just wait.
01:37:57
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When escape seems impossible or when surprised and frightened, it may even dissolve itself in tears. so It just becomes a puddle of tears. Jesus.
01:38:08
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So emo, I know. Yeah. Have you ever wanted to melt into a puttter puddle of your own tears?
01:38:20
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Puddle of tears. The Puddle of Mud ah cover band.
01:38:25
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small He's described as a small pig-like animal with an ugly appearance, ill-fitting, warty skin, and possibly webbed feet. oh
01:38:39
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Yes, and as I mentioned, their signature move, when frightened or cornered, the squawk dissolves completely into a puddle of its own tears. oh Great defense mechanism.
01:38:52
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But why me? Why?
01:38:55
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I'm dying.
01:38:59
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the Wicca Witch of West. right Yeah. i was like, I don't think my D&D character can make itself turn into water. but jesus Yeah.
01:39:10
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um But some stories even mention saltwater bubbles forming where it once stood as if the animal's sorrow became its escape mechanism. Yeah.
01:39:22
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That's so sad. whole line is so sad. Let me harvest this salt. No. Thank you. Apparently they are found especially around the Pocono Mountains and Mont Alto.
01:39:38
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These cold forested areas with their freezing temperatures and thick tree cover provide the solitude the squonk craves. Let me just do that my David Attenborough voice. Okay.
01:39:49
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It's sad little pig. He's so gross. I was like, I have to get some of these pictures. I know, these some of these are pretty great. Like, I'm just looking at this this one of it, and you can see the the full-on tears underneath its eyes.
01:40:07
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my god. It looks like... and went to one source. It looks like he has grass growing on the top of his head. One source was, like, too much, almost. i was like...
01:40:19
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oh, the Cryptid Atlas or something like that. And I was like, oh, we're YouTube. And then she was like, she had a big fake tear in her eye. i was like, I don't know I can watch this.
01:40:30
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I'm trying to get real information. Anyway. But you'll get the same thing over and over again. Making me cry. That's what we'll do to our YouTube.
01:40:43
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We will cartoonize everything and animate No, I think right now it's just set to do her like our episode thumbnail automatically.
01:40:55
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i know. My goal is to one day have us have some like you know videos where we're like, you can see the videos of us recording and whatnot.
01:41:07
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Okay, so finally, in 1996, a group out canoeing on Lake Utopia followed a creature measuring 30 to 40 feet. Did I say this? Sorry. Sorry.
01:41:18
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unmiliar It was noted that the movements were up and down and not side to side as most eels would swim. Yeah, that was for yeah was the other one?
01:41:31
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No, you're right. i finished the Uggwag and we started on the Squam. You're right, you're right. i am Confusion. ah Yes, bottle of tears. Okay.
01:41:43
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First documented in early lumberjack folklore collections. I think that was the book, The Guys of the Lumberwoods in 1910.
01:41:54
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But also mentioned in the Paul Bunyan book in 1937, which I was like, oh, Babe the Blue Ox is one of the first folklore I ever heard of.
01:42:05
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They are nocturnal. They mournfully cry at night. They may also avoid reflective surfaces due to their low self-esteem and their basic body dysmorphia. Oh my god. They just sound more depressing than what you say about them.
01:42:22
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It's like a teenager like what is it? Manifested, encrypted? Like what is it? They have a tulpa. Yeah. They're like god I can't stand myself.
01:42:37
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He's very relatable, though.
01:42:41
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yeah Strangely enough, I found out they were featured in Steely Dan's 1974 song called all or Any Major Dude Will Tell You. What?
01:42:53
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That's the title. Any Major Dude Will Tell You. Okay, sure. I have a brief mention of the Squonk's Tears. And also...
01:43:05
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And the Genesis song, which I haven't heard on Supernatural, so I forgot they were an 80s band, but Genesis has a song called Simply Squonk on their album A Trick of the Tale, which was like from 1976. So they had an entire Squonk song. Oh, wow.
01:43:21
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That's weird. know. It's so bizarre. They have something in science called a chemical squonk, but it was so complicated that literally like left my body trying to read the definition.
01:43:37
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Um, and just the legends of the Squonkin things appeared sort of in the 19th century at the height of Pennsylvania's importance in the timber and hunting industry. So, kind of like those other weird ones where we've seen they pop up around the lumber yards and the lumber woods and the the timber...
01:43:56
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yeah forget what the fuck they call them, companies or whatever. That's where they pop up.
01:44:05
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And, uh, Oh, yeah. And then also, did you know that the Pukwudgies, that was, you know how Hogwarts has their, like, different houses? So they had the American one.
01:44:17
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They mentioned the American school, Ilvermorny, and they had a Pukwudgie house. Oh, my gosh. They did.
01:44:29
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um That's weird.
01:44:34
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and love it. I'll have a little mention somewhere here and there. But yeah, that was... I guess they had like... Well, they have the... Is it the lion? it like the lion Gryffindor? And there's a serpent for Slytherin? Yeah, like a griffin is kind of a folklorish creature, really.
01:44:53
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not quite a lion, even. Yeah. I definitely like their takes us That sort of makes sense to have like a cryptid for the American ones then, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I like it Sometimes they have some pretty good details, even though
01:45:11
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obviously we may not obviously agree with the writer on all things. Yeah.
Controversies and Cultural Discussions
01:45:19
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But that's unfortunate. People write some good things and they don't have good opinions. It just happens sometimes.
01:45:28
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No. i I heard something recently that said that she was pushing so hard for them to do the new um show and everything so that they could release a whole bunch of merchandise that she hasn't wanted to release because people have noticed since she like came out with reviews and everything and then like a lot of the original cast stood opposed to her and stuff that almost all of the merchandise that they've been releasing hasn't had Oh my god. That's so stupid.
01:46:01
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and that she doesn't have to pay any licensing fees to them if their faces or likeness doesn't appear on the merchandise my god that's why like z there's been a notable decline in the amount of times that like the cast's face has appeared on any merchandise since like they stood against her and like said they didn't agree with what she was saying and that this big push for the new show is so that she can release a whole bunch of merchandise with characters faces and stuff on it again yeah because it'll be a new cast i want to see a new like show in that ah realm but like not for her benefit that's for sure yeah right
01:46:40
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Yeah. We'll see. She's thinking of anything good to say. Like, don't say anything. I don't know. she's Right? It would have been so easy for her to I don't know, like not say anything, but she keeps like donating to really bad like charities and like supporting really bad people. So yeah, she's keeps standing firm. It's not like she's saying, oh i went to therapy and addressed because of my own like sexual assault, how I felt uncomfortable in bathrooms or something. Yeah, because that's what she's saying. It's because of.
01:47:16
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at the beginning that's what she was saying is because she was sexually assaulted that she doesn't feel comfortable that people that transition from male to female should be allowed to be in female bathrooms because that's a man in a woman's bathroom and i was assaulted by a man once and i don't want to be in an enclosed space with a man oh see i don't remember i did say i did remember trying to give her the benefit of the doubt and reading the like essay she wrote to be like okay i don't just want people to tell me that she's anti-trans and just for me to like believe that you know what i mean i just wanted to read some stuff like what she said for myself um and i i don't know i it wasn't it wasn't great i don't remember being like trans people shouldn't exist but i do remember yeah it's like some of the stuff that different people bring up where they're like yes you know sports and how does this affect this and that and you're like yeah okay but like
01:48:12
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it affects people's lives in the way that they want to yeah you know feel comfortable living as they feel they are and so that's a bigger issue and like i get that and i don't know it's just fucking weird sometimes i'm like yeah i get don't know don't know yeah It's so hard to talk about stuff. I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever. I get you having concerns about sports. I get people talking about things. It's fine to talk about things, but like also, at the same time, if people feel like they don't feel okay to exist, just the way that we've oppressed like gay people and everybody else in the past, and that's...
01:48:55
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Yeah, just obviously really problematic and not cool. shouldn't be way to explore any questions. because there's that, like, people can figure out, like, bathrooms you can set up. Bathrooms that are, instead of having an enclosed door that swings closed, you're walking around a hallway. So at least there's a couple walls and it's open. And then have just the stalls and the sinks and have all that kind of stuff. where like it's I feel like that's something we've just gotten so uptight about. yeah.
01:49:24
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yeah to like or have family rooms where any more rooms available that are one stall that like a family can use or yeah that somebody that's transgender can use or somebody that's not comfortable using a um co yeah like gendered bathroom they could use a family room if there was more family rooms like oh yeah if it's just like like i remember back in the day you saw a handicap stall you're like yeah I can get in here. Probably lot of people are using it. I'm not saying that's right to go in like, you're like, oh, let's have sex in the handicap stall. But there should be some stalls that people can just use, right?
01:50:01
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like Yeah, like there's ways to figure it out without you. yeah And then she came out recently saying a whole thing about how like um all the labels that a bunch of the labels people are trying to use that they're all just made up.
01:50:16
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And they don't exist. And all this stuff. And people are just confused. Was that when they ruled something in Britain? And they were like, oh, by the way, being a woman is like being born a biological woman or something. And she was like, yeah.
01:50:32
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And I was like, God damn. That too, but this was like after that too. i can't remember. yeah and Yeah, this was like after it. She did something else. Yeah, she's been doubling down for years. So I don't know. i I don't like like Nick Frost, one of the people. I think he is on to play Dumbledore. I don't like that because I really like him. Yeah, I don't like that he signed on. You like him, don't like he might be in it.
01:50:59
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Yeah, and then he was like, oh, i received some black backlash and stuff, and I understand why people are concerned, but I'm continuing on or something, and it was like, oh. But really? You're gonna be making her millions ah dollars, so congrats, I guess, because look at the kind of charities and things she's funding with that money.
01:51:21
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know, but that, even that I kind of like take umbrage with, pardon my Dolores pun, but it's like I don't know. There's so many things that we listen to when watch and that we're like, we don't consider what the person's political views were and if they were a good person. A lot of times they're not.
01:51:41
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It just seems like nowadays... I get it. I get it. It's like, nowadays, if we can know how people are, then we can be like more you know apt to boycott them or whatever because we don't get along with their views. And I get that.
01:51:57
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just... I don't know. It just sucks to me sometimes I'll be like, hear somebody talking about Harry Potter on a podcast and they feel, and they, it feels to me like they feel like they have to be like but by the way, I don't support JK Rowling. It's like, okay, you just mentioned a book. Like we don't assume, like, I don't know.
01:52:16
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Like there's so many uncomfortable authors that wrote apparent classics that we still teach in schools and stuff. And we're not like, but by the way, the authors kind of, might have sucked at explaining stereotypes.
01:52:29
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We just don't. Sometimes they do, but not always. Yeah. I don't know. There's plenty of people out of there fighting tooth and nail to get their shit published or their TV shows made.
01:52:42
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That doesn't need to be a rehashing of the same story 15 different times. I'm getting tired of everything, everything, all the time. Remake, prequel, sequel...
01:52:54
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constant yeah that's just okay where's the where's the new stuff like yeah that can be annoying exactly ah can be yeah and i'll watch something and be like okay well this is fine it's like oh it's based on a book well that's why no yeah you're like okay well at least this was like something maybe like yeah yeah it's weird i did start watching bridgerton which is not completely like historically accurate, but has some elements of like wanting to include, um, some non-white people. So it's kind of fun because it's a Shonda Rhimes kind of thing. Yeah.
01:53:39
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Anyway, it's like, yeah, probably would have been a lot more people included in your high society if you didn't only allow whites at that time. so it's kind of like a different way of looking at It can be fun to like,
01:53:53
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re-imagine things with a different lens I don't know not really seen that kind of thing before but yeah history anyway what are we doing next week do you have it in front of you oh I guess we're doing something more themed to our southern friends because it will come out on July 4th so that would be the oh yeah American Independence Day um Yeah, I think we'll do some American Revolution themed cases.
Future Podcast Plans and Canadian Identity
01:54:29
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Yeah. Because don't you know, according to Good Pods, we're the topmost, second topmost history podcast. Yeah, sure.
01:54:41
Speaker
Hey, man, I guess when you don't market yourself good enough, they market for you. I thought we were true crime and paranormal. I literally had to say, I have to leave book club. I got to jet. I got to go home and like make a podcast. And somebody was like, what?
01:54:54
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i was like, oh you know, got to record. Yeah. about I was like, oh, you know, like true crime and paranormal. Yeah, anyway, bye! Half the time people ask but they don't really care. I've had a... Oh, no. I don't know.
01:55:12
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i A lot of the people at my work that have asked asked me to write down the name and everything for them. Oh, love that. So those people I feel like are actually going to look up. Yes, yeah. Yeah, especially because castles and cryptids is not easy to spell.
01:55:27
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So, good for us. Yeah, it's nice when they ask. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, oh, that's cool. and they never they know tell me that if they're listening or anything. So I'm like, if you're out there, hello.
01:55:40
Speaker
My co-workers. Fuckers. Recommend it. Why don't you? Yeah, please do. You're the best, bitches.
01:55:51
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little side of history, a little paranormal true crime. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And as we said, starting July, we're going to be doing every second week.
01:56:02
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So after the 4th, we'll be back on the 18th. Yeah, on the 18th. Yes, we're going to slip into a little bit of a summer schedule to ease our workload. So yeah, I think you guys won't mind and we love you for that.
01:56:23
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Yeah. Yeah. That should be good.
01:56:28
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So guess next time, yes, what do say? American bullshit. No.
01:56:39
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Right after ah Canada a day Hell yeah. We Canadian, bitch. Okay.
01:56:52
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All right.
01:56:54
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Until next time. Yes. Keep it cryptic. Bye-bye.
01:58:28
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I lost a chapstick to the abyss. I just found it. R.I.P. It's one in the back. The back corner of the drawer. haven't seen in like a year.
01:58:41
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like this one. Now the magpies are singing. i can't hear anything,
01:58:52
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Alright. Darkcast Network. Indie pods with a dark side.
01:59:09
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the piece so bad you get like bored? You're like, oh my god, am I done yet?
01:59:17
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Ugh.
01:59:21
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Um, okay.