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190: Crime In Sports
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This week we are back with a vengeance! First up is the story of Lauren McCluskey. A track and filed star who story ended too soon in a tragic way, involving stalking. The repercussions were great from this horrible, yet probably preventable murder.
Then it's on to something completely different with 10 Cent Beer Night. Alanna covers this infamous Cleveland baseball promo-night-gone-wild. And it does get fairly nude and violent, as Monty Python might say! So get ready for a roller-coaster episode all about athletes and insanity! Cause Sports!!
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Introduction and Hosts' Return
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Darkcast Network. Indie pods with a dark side.
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Welcome back to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm your host, Alanna. And I'm Kelsey. And we are returning, making our triumphant return.
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Unless i I'm like knock on wood, actually. But yes, sorry we were absent last week. We had some sickness, some illness that we had to get through first. So, sorry about it.
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I hope you
Engagement with Listeners and Personal Updates
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missed us. We missed you. We always miss you. um Or maybe you're listening to this two weeks from now and you're like, oh. skip me Yeah, and you didn't even notice.
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Because I was saying to Kelsey, sometimes that happens with me where I'm like, oh, I just hadn't, you know, even though it's a top pod, sometimes I just don't listen to some for few weeks or whatever if I'm like not feeling in the true crime so much that month or whatever. So yeah.
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um yeah happy friday i guess and hope y'all are having a good week yeah it's june somehow it's now june yeah ah crazy recorded in like ah the eon or something for some reason but it's just yeah it's weird yeah oh my gosh e um but yeah Kelsey's on the mend, so thank you for asking, and we'll yeah hopefully keep on the up and up.
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Yeah, hopefully my my voice doesn't sound too annoying this episode. I'm still... I have, like, a dry cough, like... um that even when I cough it doesn't do anything because it's like so deep in my lungs that like coughing I feel like I want to cough but like yeah coughing doesn't do anything to alleviate the feeling of needing to cough so yeah yeah yeah I'm familiar with this sensation yeah it's just kind of kind of lingering ah so yeah how is everybody else you said you're
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your nibblings were also ill your little niece and nephew i think they're fine now um yeah my nephew ah ended up they took him to the hospital the day i went home sick from work the first day i found out um a few days later that like that same evening they had taken him to the hospital and they found out he had pneumonia and uh Yeah.
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That sucks. But I don't know what I have. I didn't go see a doctor or anything because, I mean, nothing felt very serious or not that I couldn't manage, so...
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Yeah, between like when you're little family members. Yeah, family members that were sick and a lot of people that were sick at work. I don't really know who I caught it from or when. So I'm feeling quite a bit better now. It's been um like a week and a half.
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So I know I was like, well I don't even see Kelsey in person that often I'm like well we did go like to a movie the weekend before but that was still a few days i think before you started to feel shitty or or whatever so I was like it wasn't me I swear yeah I hung out with you guys on the Saturday and then I saw my family on Sunday and then I was went home sick Wednesday from work so right yeah it was something in there yeah
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um yeah but i don't know we're back with our true crime episode and it's something we haven't touched on in a while ever maybe i don't know ah briefly yeah but uh we're talk about some crimes and sports crime and sport sport but wait wait wait i got one i got a clip
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Sport. It's quiet. Sport. It's a British... Sport. Sport. oh about it What's up, sport? Yeah, that's pretty i try I tried googling clips of British people saying sport to see if I could get one saying it like sport. All excited, but it was like, oh, it's hard. I don't want to like clip another podcast or anything. So instead, I'll just use this little clip from the...
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You know, the how to pronounce guides that come up and they just say the word. Oh, I love those. Today we are going to be speaking how to pronounce the name. I know. It's just literally somebody telling you how to pronounce sport. I didn't know they existed for like words like that. But then I guess if you don't know English, you're going be looking up every English pronunciation. God, how to be how to be so ah and Anglo-centric.
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Yeah, I know, right? right
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Didn't think people needed to know how to pronounce sport. Don't worry, it's terrible. It was just, yeah, like the history, historical romance. Shut up.
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I'm just reading. I'm waiting for my library books to come in. So I was rereading one of my Scottish smutty books. Not Outlander, a different one. um And she's like, but it's like the 1800s and she's like,
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god if am i there like what you're amazed i speak english like brits and yanks are the only ones who uh don't speak like three languages around here was like yeah
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yeah we're very like i don't know grossly english peer or whatever anyway yeah i i never got any sort of proficiency in speaking a second language so yeah it's too bad it should be like they try in school but unless you really take like french immersion like it's not you're not going to be bilingual enough to get a job with that kind of <unk> yeah yeah yeah
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Anyway, Duolingo. I gotta get back on there. All that to say, I guess. Oh my god. Well, um... Oh yeah, and then it's so funny how I was like, this show came out on Netflix and, wait, I covered this case. And then I was telling you that, like, Pat showed me a trailer and he's like, look at this one. And I'm like, wait, I think I covered this case. and And remember... Yeah.
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Like you had seen the pictures on the drive of Skarsgรฅrd and was like right away like, well, that's Bill Skarsgรฅrd. They're obviously making a movie or whatever. Yeah. i was like, I can't keep anything from you.
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Can't keep it spoiler free till the end of the notes. Yeah. So that, yeah, that just came out called Clark or whatever, which we gotta, we haven't started watching that, but, um and the other one was the um about the Millennium Dome heist.
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think it was just called the diamond heist or something anyway we watched that one that was pretty good too it was cool to like see the actual um robber guy like robber guys like talking about it and stuff kind of thing like yeah i love that that shit is so cool that's uh yeah when i covered mine recently um that uh bank heist um a couple episodes ago that's why I really like that documentary because the guys are just so um like all in about like here's step by step how we did it and they're like bragging about it and you're um a you're kind of on their side yeah it's kind of hilarious you're just like yeah you yeah you sure did that and you served your jail time and like
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ah all that kind of stuff it's like yeah like kind of kind of kudos to you guys really yeah you do sympathize with them for sure and this one was really good and it was it was um by guy richie like i was like oh okay was like yeah this is the gentleman Right? Like, I'm like, this is totally a real life Guy Ritchie movie. So of course he did this documentary. Like, why not? That's kind of cool.
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Yeah. Be like Steven Soderbergh doing ah ah one and it's like an Oceans movie. Oh, that's right. I should know him because I love Oceans. That's why I know that. Okay, you're right. Yeah.
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Oh, love a good heist movie. um So go watch those, yeah guys.
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oh We should definitely cover some more of those for Patreon, if people want. I like doing a good, like, true crime doc, react, or whatever. Those can be fun.
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Yeah, I think I just had a couple i added to my list on Netflix that were coming out. i was like, ooh, I should watch these. Right?
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They're always pumping them out over on the streaming services. Like, here's another one about, um, what's her name? JonBenรฉt Ramsey or whatever. oh really? There's one about the Tylenol murders right now.
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Oh, yeah, i have that one on my list I that one's always fascinated me I mean yeah it looks like it'd probably be pretty good ah was just like I'm familiar with that case but I'll probably watch it eventually yeah yeah so do you still want to go first until your voice yeah I can see how how it goes if I talk too much I do feel like I need to cough more see
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see Right. I'm like, yeah. And I have a long one when we're ready for it. giddy Mine's like average for me, I'd say.
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um but i did find um
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What did I end up doing? So mine's kind of ah like a university student that was on their like athletic team ah that was doing really, really well ah that ended up...
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uh being involved in something so it's not like professional or ah sport crime or anything like that but I yeah once I heard about this one I uh thought it fit in enough and it was interesting to me cover I don't I'm not that interested in professional sports because there's gonna be someone who knows like so much about it that yeah or team or whatever and it it can be like feel like you're getting in the weeds so to speak yeah I did find a lot of good information from different sites uh
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Three of them, or actually I found stuff on like People, People Magazine. nice. I had a couple of really, really good articles. And then there was a Salt Lake ah salt lake City, I'm assuming, magazine. And then ABC News ah that all had really good articles.
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And I did do quite a few excerpts, um whole like sections from each of those. Nice. Yes, nice people have really good articles. Like on different crimes and stuff. I remember when I used to subscribe, it'd be like, oh, here's the celebrity stuff. And then here's this awful, like, tragic thing that happened somewhere, you know, in America that you don't know about or whatever. Yeah, it was always like, oh, okay, cool.
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Not cool, but like like, well done. You know, well researched. Yeah. So I, because it was like, ah the majority of my stuff is straight from those sources i didn't really like say this paragraph or this sections from this um because it was just a lot so um but fairness yeah fantastic articles really good each of them had like different pieces of information i wanted to include so that's what's making up all of my thing
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um and people can always find our sources on our website too if they're interested in reading the full article yeah just so you know guys and so keep in mind a lot of this is quoted directly from those sources um i mentioned and not not written in my own words okay what thank you um So this is the story of Lauren McCluskey.
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McCluskey. I always have a hard time with the Mick. And then it's like, you again. I'm like, McCluskey.
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That's a tricky one. Yeah. She was born in Berkeley, California on February 12, 1997.
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Okay, wow. Recent. Yeah. She moved to Pullman, Washington in August of 1998 when her parents, Matt and Jill McCloskey, joined Washington State University and as professors.
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So they're all like kind of university family. wow two professors. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. From an early age, they described her as bright, sensitive, and very active. div Um, oh, I forgot to mention, um, they did start a foundation later, so I think this part is actually from the foundation website, which I assume was written by the family.
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So, I think this information is coming directly from her family. um,
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ah They said that she fearlessly climbed trees and climbed walls. She loved animals and volunteered at the Whitman County Humane Society, helping to socialize cats so that they would be more adoptable.
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Oh, that's nice. We used to walk dogs at the s SPCA and like they, they always appreciate that stuff, the dogs and the staff. Yeah, I did that um at our Humane Society here in our city for maybe a year, a year and a half.
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um And then my work schedule just got too hectic and they have like a certain... minimum that you have amount of hours you have to do a month and I just couldn't maintain it remember that now but yeah I played with cats and and did some of the dog walking and everything that's fun I should get into that yeah she had two beloved cats of her own named fuzzy and victory
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oh And yeah, fuzzy victory.
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ah She completed her Pullman High School senior project at the WSU Center for m Animal Wellbeing. And they said she also volunteered for the YMCA and the Special Olympics.
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So she was really, really active, really involved in ah different like charity organizations and a lot of athletic type organizations she volunteered for as well.
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No kidding. She checked out those extra extracurricular boxes. Yeah. Yeah.
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ah when lauren decided to attend the university of utah she was recruited to become a member of the women's track and field team so that's what she specialized in um at the university okay yeah yeah she's fast she's a runner yeah uh she also did some other stuff she was a washington state champion in the high jump and ranked 10th tenth in the heptathlon at the USATF Outdoor Junior Championships.
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And she had several other colleges and scholarships to choose from, i guess. And then she ended up settling on the University of Utah. Never heard of a heptathlon.
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I've heard of a... Yeah, it was... Wonder how many, yeah like... events that is or whatever if it i think a dickhead almost 10 if the yeah that would be i don't know you know what hep yeah is maybe seven seven or nine i don't know know oct octathlon right now i'm trying to think of all but the prefixes hexa oh my god i'll just look it up heptathlon oh boy yeah sounds terrible sounds terrible
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And she got 10th place. You got it. Seven. Okay. Yeah. yeah She was ranked 10th. Yeah, 10th. So, yeah, she was really good at, like, um track and field type sports.
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um Her mother, Jill, said, quote, Lauren was a star athlete from when she was a youth, climbing trees at the age of two. so that's really young to be climbing trees.
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Oh. Yeah, you're barely walking. Yeah. but Yeah. Hopefully it was all supervised. That was her mom, Jill, along with her husband, Matt, a member of the faculty at the University of Washington.
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And I think this is Lauren, a Washington State native and senior at the school, was majoring in communication and was a highly regarded member of the school's track and field team and attended a statement from the school at the time, said,
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um so like people really liked her um her teachers coaches and teammates had a high respect in regard for her as a multi-event athlete and for also maintaining a high gpa and as a person um wow her mom has another quote here saying she was someone who really cared about other people and her friendships um She was somewhat of an introvert, and if you got to know her, you quickly found out that she was full of things to say and genuinely cared about other people. Which is nice.
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Yeah, surprising to hear it described as an introvert when she does all these activities and stuff. Yeah. Interesting. ah Beyond athletics, she enjoyed karaoke singing and dancing with her closest friends.
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And while attending the university, Lauren belonged to the Capitol Church in downtown SLC and would invite others to come along, encouraging them to sing.
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cute. Yeah.
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So, yeah, that was, like, some background, which I really liked. I think a lot of that part was actually from the foundation website from her family directly, which I liked because sometimes that's hard to find when we're doing true crime cases.
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I know. You want more than just, like... They let up a room. You're like, but what did they like? And what were they like? Yeah.
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Yeah, what kind of things did they do? Mm-hmm. So Lauren was living in Salt Lake City for a few years, attending the university when she met a gentleman named Melvin Roland.
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They met at a popular downtown bar where Roland was working as a bouncer. So he's... and He's, I don't know how tall he is.
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ah He looks quite tall in like the pictures or like little things I saw, but he is quite an intimidating presence as a bouncer at a bar.
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So maybe he had to bulk up with a name like Melvin. Sorry. Yeah, um yeah so he's quite intimidating, ah but they met there at the bar, and he told her that he was in the military and trained as a security officer, and they started meeting up a few times. Okay.
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I don't have a lot more information about it other than ah by the time Lauren was 21. think they only... um so i think like met up a few times. I don't really know how long they dated for, it but ah Lauren was 21 and she, or sorry, and Melvin was 37.
The Tragic Story of Lauren McCluskey
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And ah she learned some stuff about him and decided to end this relationship or um whatever kind of thing was going on. Situationship, yeah.
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Yeah. That sounds about right. And what she learned about him was really, really concerning. ah Yeah. He had a really bad past.
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She discovered that he was a registered sex offender. and he had lied about his identity and criminal history including a 2004 conviction for enticing a minor like oh so yeah bad bad uh history i think there was more um But yeah, that's really, yeah, so not good. So she decided like she didn't want to see him anymore. And he was not really happy with that.
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So yeah, it turns into a pretty, yeah, this turns into a really bad like stalking situation um that I have some details about.
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Damn. ah Yeah, so after she like ended their relationship, she started receiving messages and threats from him. ah his I only saw this in one source. It said that his friends posted about his suicide, which was fake, on social media.
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And they would, like, harass her about it, saying that she had caused it. But he hadn't committed suicide. This was, like, all fake. So iber his friends were just harassing her.
00:24:45
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Yeah. That's fucked up. That's real messed up Yeah. That's, like, really, really too far. Yeah, like, who are these friends? Because, yeah.
00:24:56
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Right? don't know. If anybody ever asked me to do something like that, I would be like, are you insane? Like, Yeah, if it's not just him with other crazy accounts, then these are crappy people too.
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Yeah. ah Roland made frequent attempts and some say sometimes successful attempts to visit her at her university dorm.
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So like he was going on campus and um getting let into the building and everything that he shouldn't have had access to because he isn't a student.
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ah At one point, he demanded $1,000 from her to prevent him from posting explicit photos of the two of them that had been taken.
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oh lovely. Right? I hate this guy so much. Yeah.
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As Roland's actions escalated, Lauren began voicing concerns to her immediate family and her closest friends. ah because Roland was a con and highly manipulative, things were difficult to discern.
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She didn't always believe that he was a threat or that her life could be in danger, and she wanted to take care of the situation by herself. But as her friends can attest, she was growing more and more concerned and even frightened by some of the actions he made towards her.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of how it goes, unfortunately. i mean, even when you do report it, It's tough because the stalking laws are not where they should be. And, you know, you'll have to yeah but wait until something happens, basically. Yeah. A lot of times, yeah, before they can do anything. Yeah, it's really, really rough.
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Yeah, that's why part the reason I wanted to cover this one. Because there's a lot... going on that like could have been handled better um by like really everybody almost involved in this entire case uh yeah october 12th lauren asked university police for protection ah from roland telling them that he was harassing her and stalking her And Lauren and her friends reported incidents of abusive behavior to these university officials.
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um And that says university officials repeatedly dismissed her requests for help. And according to her parents, Lauren then went to the Salt Lake City police directly on October Okay. Yeah.
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okay um yeah
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And then it's sorry ah three days later on October 22nd when Melvin somehow gets access to the campus grounds again and ends up waiting outside of Lauren's like residence hall um where her dorm is.
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like He waits there for several hours um just standing in front of the building. Like waiting. Yeah, that's unfortunate. Which is really creepy. Exactly. Like, come on.
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And then you're supposed supposedly known to campus security. Like, there should be people walking around campus security. I don't know.
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Yeah, like, he does not look like a college student. ah This man is almost 40 years old. He looks nothing like the university students. So should have been, like, questioned right away why he's standing in front of a university dorm for hours.
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I know, now it sucks because it's like, yeah, especially once we know we're in a true crime case, too. But like. Right. And like, obviously you can just like walk onto, I don't know, like I'm from a university town and like, it's not like this fence. I mean, you could walk onto the campus, but like just to be standing outside of a building for hours on end, that seems like that should like draw some attention at least.
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I don't know. Yeah. um Yeah, so he's waiting outside the hall for her. um She was actually on the phone with her mom at the time. It was 8.20 p.m.
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when Roland, like, confronts her in front of the building while she's on the phone with her mom. And he, like, attacks her and drags her across the parking lot all in front of the dorm.
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um which And this attack causes her to drop her phone and her other belongings, right? It's just a couple minutes later when Matt, Warren's father, alerts campus security that his daughter is in danger. Because, again, she was on the phone with her mom when it happened. That's so incredibly ballsy. Right? Or stupid.
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stupid. right
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So campus police responded to a call of a possible abduction at that time. And they found Lauren's body. Because this all happened very, very quickly. They found her body in a parked car outside of the dorm.
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And she had been shot seven times. What? Oh my god. Yeah. Just awful. Like in broad daylight. ah Yeah, like.
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I can't imagine how ah like, yeah, this all went down, like, within minutes. I'd say, like, it was so quick. and So it was, like, 8.30 at night or something? Yeah, but it's, it's, uh, I guess it's October, so maybe it's a little darker outside than, like, the summer would be.
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But. It's starting to get dark probably.
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Um, Melvin Rowland, after he had shot her, had then shot and killed himself, and his body was found a few hours later inside of a church, like, in one of the rooms, or a storage closet or something, I think one thing said.
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What? Yeah. Okay. Wow. That was... Just... Just a real hard left turn on everything.
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Right? It just... I wouldn't say it came out of nowhere because he was showing, like, aggressive behavior and, like, threats towards her, but... Yeah. Yeah, like, you just don't expect it to happen still.
00:31:55
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Yeah, it's just, like, so... Yeah, it does seem really abrupt. Not out of nowhere, but still fucking all of a sudden, like, with no seemingly provocation.
00:32:07
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at the like yeah like that um you can tell she was really really scared leading up to it because lauren it was later like determined lauren had reached out to police six times in the 10 days before her death which is a lot like that's crazy six times in 10 days you have to contact the police that's ridiculous uh and That was according to the University of Utah Department of Public Safety and Utah Department of Public Safety reviews that were obtained by People magazine at the time.
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Just like crazy. Should not have been able to happen.
00:32:59
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No, and then because he had like taken his own life, they couldn't do like a trial or anything like that really like it just doesn't have any sort of like resolution really other than um from abc news and a lot of the other stuff talking about the case is mostly the fact that lawrence family ended up settling with the university of utah um two years to the day after her brutal murder um the university settled a ten and a half million dollar lawsuit
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um that her parents had put against the university wow so yeah like impressive kind of like a a negligence type thing because she she went to them and asked for help so many times and they didn't do anything and her parents look No, and our parents are both university professors. So like, it's not like they don't know what goes on on a campus and ah how how important student safety is.
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So you really have no excuse. Yeah, that's their workplace safety also. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. ah The school or the university also donated another $3 million dollars to the Lauren McCluskey Foundation that her parents had started.
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um An indoor track for the track and field team and the University of Utah's Center for Violence Prevention ah was renamed the McCluskey Center for Violence and Prevention.
00:34:42
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So they did stuff, but they did it after. because the family sued, basically. oh okay, right. I thought the... Yeah.
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I know that you said the family's gonna do ah foundation with some of the money, too. Yeah, they said that, I think her parents said that all of that ten and a half million dollar settlement was going towards the foundation and going to be solely, like, helping people. It would not be any sort of financial gain for the family so they not that they probably needed as two university professors so um yeah but yeah i wasn't sure at first you said like they were putting it right back into the university like the from their settlement um
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oh i see yeah the school yeah they did um i think the the foundation is like completely separate but it does focus a lot on like university campus safety but i think it's just in general um across a bunch of universities okay Yeah. i Oh, this was a a statement from the University of Utah president um that said, during a press conference the university acknowledges and deeply regrets that it did not handle lauren's case as it should have
00:36:09
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and that at the time its employees failed to fully understand and respond appropriately to lauren's situation And as a result, we have failed Lauren and her family. If these employees had more complete training and protocols to guide their responses, the university believes that they would have been better equipped to protect Lauren.
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But like, maybe. The protocols and everything is, like, if somebody's coming to you you should be.
00:36:43
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Like, you said the bare minimum is having somebody patrol. Or walk around. You know what dorm room she's in Have somebody checking it a couple times a day to make sure he's not around. ah Like...
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s Yeah, I don't know. Or you can call Lauren periodically and be like, hey just wanted to check in. How are you doing? Everything okay? Have you noticed him around? Like,
00:37:13
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uh it's hard to say yeah it's like a whole bunch of things maybe kind of help they had some sort of like oh you have to have a buddy system because we know there's you know and a dangerous person out there like some extra measures yeah maybe could have been implemented but hindsight yeah 2020, as they say.
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Um, yeah. The settlement came, um i guess after, um, the family had filed a second lawsuit, uh, saying that the university violated the state constitution.
00:37:54
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so that's, like, I felt like they only got the settlement because they had done, like, two lawsuits against the university. um Okay.
00:38:05
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Huh. Yeah. ah the lawsuit. Yeah, it's a lot. Uh, the lawsuit stated in the weeks leading up to Lauren's murder, she was being quote sexually and physically abused, stalked and threatened by her killers.
00:38:22
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And that the police dismissed and avoided her requests for help. So I think that's why the university um like did the settlement and everything is because the family had to do two lawsuits against them, which they shouldn't have had to do.
00:38:41
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like all Right. and And shouldn did the police not have some culpability to because they were also contacted multiple times that week? Yeah.
00:38:54
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I don't know. um Like, and I guess she didn't technically have a restraining order or something, but it just sucks. It just seems like she knew it was going to happen, but nobody would take her seriously enough to help prevent it. And that's obviously what happened.
00:39:09
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Yeah, it's also really important that um this was from her dad, Matt, saying in an interview with ABC News in January of 2019, her parents said the university did not take Lauren's complaint seriously.
00:39:25
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Saying, quote, they seem to show no curiosity about this person who had lied about his age, his name, ah that he was a sex offender. ah And then they had also found out that he was a felon. Because remember, he was like a felon. He had been to prison. You think if that's the person you're complaining against that you're saying is harassing and stalking you, it should be taken very seriously because they're a fucking felon.
00:39:54
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Yeah. like so ah father added they should have investigated. They would have very quickly found out his parole status.
00:40:06
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And in just one phone call, they he said we wouldn't be sitting here today. Because he would have he had broken his parole. Oh.
00:40:17
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yeah Right? Yeah, just one little thing could have... one maybe helped one phone call and i i don't know what the police were doing and all that when she contacted not just the university police but like the actual police department i don't know like really there is a whole documentary about this that i think i have i talk about a little bit later i didn't get a chance to watch it i actually found it on you ah copy of it on youtube But it shows a lot of security footage of him, like, standing in front of the dorm building for hours, and also footage of her and her friends going in and trying to talk to university officials and all that kind of stuff.
00:41:01
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um Yeah, I... Right? Yeah, something about the video footage always looking back is is creepy.
00:41:14
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yeah he's just standing there yeah reminds me of another book i read where they had these old-fashioned things called cobradors and they would dress they were dressed all in black well in this book this is how it was interpreted and he was standing on the the village green or whatever so i just picture like someone like standing in all black like you know in the park behind my house or something just like fucking standing there not moving for hours like just to intimidate like it's so sinister it's so creepy that's very very creepy yeah that's why this guy's just standing there like i just picture him like standing like unmoving like not you know leaning and up against the wall smoking a cigarette pretending he's waiting for someone but just like standing there like staring yeah god
00:42:04
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fucking Yeah, i only kind of watched like the autoplay little thing of the documentaries, which showed like a few of the survey CCTV tape footage clips. So, yeah, I'll put it on the on the website if anybody wants to watch it.
00:42:22
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um Yeah. ah Don't have too much more. yeah in the two years since Lauren's passing,
00:42:33
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yeah University has introduced plans to implement changes to campus safety, including a $13 million dollars building to house the school's police department.
00:42:43
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Yeah. Oh, this is where I had it. Sorry, some of this was a little out of order. um The family originally sued the University of Utah, some of its employees, and the state of Utah in June of 2019 for $56 million dollars in federal court. Oh, shit. And then ah the family later filed a wrongful death and negligence lawsuit in state court.
00:43:10
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And I think that's the one that they got the $10 million for was the second... yeah wrongful death one because and then i think the other one got probably like withdrawn or something yeah and a lot yeah it's sometimes just too hard to prove certain things so i could see yeah damn The family sued the university and federal court um contending that just weeks before she was murdered, ah police owe this.
00:43:49
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i forgot about this. okay um
00:43:56
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So part of the second lawsuit. contended that just weeks before she was murdered a police officer in whom lauren had confided that she feared for her life had requested that she send him some of the nude and explicit photographs she was being blackmailed with and that this officer had then shared these with other police officers that were not involved in the case oh my fucking god i know so i forgot about that so
00:44:30
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Yep. Well. i um I totally forgot about that. my god. I give up on humanity. you up on humanity Oh, god it's so fucked. I see the posts on like Reddit and stuff sometimes where people are like, am I overreacting? to This cop that pulled me over used my number to text me and ask me on a date. and People are like, yes, yeah that's inappropriate. That's so scary. but so That's so so scary. Yeah.
00:45:02
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um yeah And people do that. Like nurses that have access to your medical history are trying to get people to use like um like MLM products and be like, hey, can I sell you my essential oils?
00:45:18
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um Because I looked at your medical records and found out what like illnesses you have and I have like ah essential oils that can cure you. That's a huge violation your... Yeah.
00:45:31
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No, you can't be doing shit like that. have to get fired. you get You can get sued. know, I have to... you know i have to do the voip thing every year or whatever like yeah you'll have to deal with that shit because we we're doing ours right now at work we're doing ours right now it's it's so scary yeah i totally forgot about that until i was halfway through reading the statement and i went oh my god no
00:46:02
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Yeah. Um... The cops! Can we not do that? Anyway. Um... Yeah. they have to st Sorry, I only have a tiny bit more. Okay. Um... Lauren's mother stated that all the money from the settlement would go to support the Lauren McCluskey Foundation and help improve campus safety.
00:46:21
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ah The mother said this settlement is important for many reasons and it addresses how Lauren died, but it also honors how she lived. Um... That was Jill, who is a person professor at Washington State University, altra ah also introduced the Lawrence Promise initiative where professors can pledge in their syllabus that they will help any student that feels threatened find the resources that they need.
00:46:49
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which I think is good. Like, okay. Just saying that you're, you're there and that you can talk to me if you have problems. Um, just letting people know that that's an option. If you're professor, i think is really good.
00:47:07
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Um, and then there, yeah it was ESPN actually in 2022 that released the 90 minute documentary.
00:47:18
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um I can't... I can click into it and find out what it's called, because I don't have that for some reason.
00:47:29
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Um... They called it Lauren McCluskey, and then I think the documentary was called Listen. um Yeah.
00:47:43
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Um... Oh, this...
00:47:49
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I don't know if this was from the Foundation website or not, but I thought this was really like poignant um said as a communications major lauren was enrolled uh um at the university in professor dan clark's advanced public speaking class and her final exam was a student presentation called the last lecture if you only had one hour left to live what would you say
00:48:22
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which i think is heartbreaking looking back. um Lauren was the first to volunteer and a ah this is her professor, said, while soft-spoken she delivered her beach in a profound way sheer shared her stories about being on the track team the thrill of victory as well as her injuries and enduring disappointment and physical pain her message was one of keeping hope alive that um overcoming obstacles is part of life
00:48:55
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and that practiccing self-love is the way for you to fully love others wow yeah and she had my cat named victory and love that yeah had like appreciated i forgot about that yeah like competition and having one that's named victory but then the other one's just named fuzzy and it's like that's kind of shows that she had a balance maybe too yeah oh that's crazy um
00:49:28
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Yeah, and then I just wanted to share a little like infographic thing that the um the foundation website had. um and just have to make it a little bigger. i can't read it.
00:49:44
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Yeah, this was from their homepage saying, one in four women have experienced some form of physical violence by an intimate partner at some time in their lives.
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00:49:54
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And that's 60.8% of female stalking victims reported being stalked by a current or former intimate partner.
00:50:04
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And then i like that they include this. That's 14% or 1 in 7 men have also been severely physically abused by an intimate partner in their lifetime.
00:50:17
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Which I think is also... One in four and one in seven. Wow. Yeah, which I am actually... i think I had heard, like, one in four for women before, but I didn't know, like, violence against men and everything had reached, like, one in seven.
00:50:36
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That's very high as well, and I didn't know that statistic. Yeah, there's probably not ah enough of a pool of numbers to get any on non-binary or anything like that either.
00:50:50
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Yeah, it didn't have anything um on the little like infographic on the website, like the foundation website. I'm sure they have other statistics I could have tried looking up, but um yeah, it's definitely very prevalent. And I have heard things about it being more prevalent in colleges and on college campuses and stuff.
00:51:14
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So...
00:51:17
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yeah i don't know what to say about that there's i know mine's such a bummer i'm sorry i'm sorry everybody it's it's definitely one of those where like uh yeah there's probably a lot of discussion about what could be done and things like that and yeah still just no matter what we do there's always a chance something's going to happen to you because I just think like she's physically very fit obviously and super smart and all of that and it's just unfortunate that everything she tried just still couldn't save her
00:51:57
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yeah I think it's important that like her her um she was open and anonymous like about what was happening with her family and with her friends I think a lot of people aren't and that's um I think something that was i mean it didn't end up saving her life but I think that's something that's really important is like um Keeping the people around you aware of what's going on so that they can like help protect you. Yeah,
00:52:33
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it certainly doesn't usually hurt. A of people are afraid to talk about that. or like let people know what's happening but it sounds like she was doing everything she could to make as many people aware as possible literally on the phone with her mother like just yeah that breaks my heart I can't imagine like being on the phone with somebody and then hearing them get attacked like yeah it's just like nothing you can do even when you feel like you're with someone or talking to someone or at least have that that's
00:53:06
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it's not enough yeah that's fucking crazy like he must have known he was gonna take the coward's way out because yeah like i i don't know where he's a he's a convicted felon on probation he should not have had access to a firearm i don't know how he got that like working as a fucking security basically yeah that's crazy yeah that also is questionable um yeah it just yeah they mentioned one of them about him lying about his his name and everything but you you'd think that the job would require like background checks and stuff so like don't know how he got around that kind of things
00:53:57
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But yeah, just a a really unfortunate um case. And it kind of stood out when I was looking up sports crimes about a lot of like professional athletes.
00:54:09
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I don't know. found a lot of lists of like people drunk driving and doing stupid shit. And then this one, and this one really, this one really stood out because I was like, oh, I actually feel like this one's i' an important one to talk about, I guess.
00:54:25
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Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. We don't need to get the message out about drunk driving and bad behaving athletes as much. i think people know about that. Yeah. But, um, yeah.
00:54:36
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Yeah. We're going to get to some, badly behaving fans here in a minute so that should be fun ah the people flipping cars and things if oh gosh things will be thrown um yes oh no just okay take a quick take a break we'll be back after these messages
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um
00:57:28
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I am going to tell Kelsey all about a night that's infamous now. as ah It's just known as Tencent Beer Night.
00:57:40
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So, if you've heard about it. I have not, but that name sounds hilarious. I'm assuming it's not going to be, but... the It's not bad. It's not terrible.
00:57:56
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And it's become a popular one in the podcasting community. As I mentioned, I was able to listen to i was episode of The Dollop. They covered it. They do American history.
00:58:09
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Excuse me. How long ago was this? yeah The Damn. Can you imagine 10 cent beers now? It's like $10 beer.
00:58:23
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i know. And I hear people talking about like toonie beer nights even. Or I think maybe somebody was talking about like 25 cent draft night somewhere. I was like, not in my lifetime. I haven't had that. Yeah. ah was crazy talking at work. We were talking about...
00:58:46
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I think it might have been with a customer about, you know, just going to a convenience store and like the penny candies. Yeah. Where you could get like some of the gummies, ah like gummy worms for a penny. And now it's like, God, do they have any of the candies that would be less than like 25 cents each? each Probably not.
00:59:08
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no not for that price anymore. You can still buy it in bulk at Like the grocery stores. but Ain't no pennies, that's for sure. No. No no more penny. It used to be like, oh, I'm getting mostly penny candies, but then I'm getting a couple 5 cent and a couple 10 cent candies because I'm rich.
00:59:33
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Yeah, we'd walk to the convenience store down the road or whatever. and yeah Yeah. Hit it up. Oh, yeah. The store's not even there anymore.
00:59:45
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My childhood. It's gone. Yeah. They got rid of it. oh Okay, yes. So that's exciting. And this is why we can't just switch it.
00:59:58
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And I can't just call in a podcast friend and be like, come this week. It's like, no, I have to tell Kelsey this story.
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So, set the stage. It was a warm summer night, of course, in June, 1974. this is coming in June. It's all perfect. Yeah. I'm going to crack my neck. Sorry.
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And the full moon was hanging over Cleveland.
01:00:32
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Cleveland? Cleveland rocks! Sorry, I just had a moment where I was thinking about the Drew Carey show. Moon over Parma, bring my love to me tonight. don That was their theme song at one point.
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Anyway. Oh.
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ah So a call goes out on a police scanner. All units in the area i respond to a riot at the baseball stadium. God damn it.
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A police officer named Bill Leonard was pulling out of the station when he heard the dispatch's call for aid. He recalls how he came west on the shrie way exiting at East 9th Street.
01:01:12
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I don't know if I said all that correctly. But yeah when two naked women ran right in front of his car.
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Woohoo! I thought...
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I thought, oh, it's that kind of riot, he says.
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so I just had to steal that opener from the one article. i was like, oh, that's great. This is how you respond to your call. This is how you know it's going down. It's like, a was it Brooklyn Nine-Nine that always had a thing about Halloween them being like, oh, Halloween's the worst night when you're a cop. Yeah.
01:01:54
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Oh, God. And New Year's Eve is like... I don't know, the worst night if you work in a a bar or something because everyone's just crazy. Yeah. be um So, yeah, let let's rewind a little to when things had started to wrap up during the last match between these two teams that were playing this fateful June night.
01:02:19
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Damn. Excuse my slur because the team was known as the Cleveland Indians. um so Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We know what that's like. We had to rename our team here, too.
01:02:33
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ah so We used to be Edmonton Eskimos. ah But anyway, and they're facing off against the Texas Rangers. So that's already kind of hilarious.
01:02:45
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The Indians and the Rangers. I know. I was like, what a poor combination. play Cowboys and Indians. Like, No! I do. It makes me a little bit think of an old comedy sketch where they're like reading a newspaper in the sports section. He's like, redskins squeeze out browns.
01:03:05
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So gross. Yeah.
01:03:10
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So this, yeah. So this particular match the week before had wound up with a bench clearing brawl, ah which I was like, that sounds like a big fight even by hockey standards.
01:03:23
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Usually you just get a couple of guys out on the ice fighting. Yeah. But this is like everybody's Everybody got tagged in.
01:03:35
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oh man. It's a cage match. Right? I don't watch a lot of baseball at this. Usually it's pretty boring, but this this time not so much. and pretty boring my dad and i used to my dad and i used to go when we had a team here we went quite a few times and we enjoyed it liked it oh i feel like going to a game yeah live is like a fun yeah fun and they're they're building a uh
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um ah field they're like gonna have it ready by this summer out in Spruce Grove so we were talking about going because they're gonna have games on Sunday nights so we were talking about doing that on Sundays sometimes going to see the game yeah if you build it they will come that's awesome yeah I didn't know like we used to have a team and don't have Yeah, we had the Edmonton Cracker Cats.
01:04:41
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Cracker Cats.
01:04:45
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I think the mascot was a white cat. Oh boy. This is hilarious. I guess Oilers comparison is pretty tame.
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Yeah.
01:05:01
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Oh my god. We're in oil country.
01:05:07
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We just beat out the Dallas Stars. Oh, anyway. Wow. Okay. Okay. So, so it was all already, I would say, a pretty rowdy-crowdy that showed up for the next game against the Rangers.
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Okay. Yeah. Some were already pre-gamed, as we like to say nowadays, so they showed up a little sloshed already. What's, what's going to happen tonight? don't, I can't imagine. And if, if nothing's going to happen, we're going to make something happen.
01:05:36
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Oh my god, yes. um Well, if it was, after all, a special, a typical sort of promo night they did in the day to improve attendance. And boy, did it.
01:05:49
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Oh, jeez. ah So like 25,000 people showed up, which was a lot their games. yeah oh So in that sense, it was a success.
01:06:03
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And like I say, it was typical they had done like a nickel night, recently that had gone off well um so they're doing these deep discounts people are showing up it's working and stuff um and they added some extra guards this time there were like 48 instead of 32 so they're selling up the bleachers and the nosebleeds and whatever um but yeah it's just like a really good deal and it's like we're not used to that here especially here in canada like nowadays you
01:06:36
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mean, you can buy, what, maybe a couple doubles or something, but, like, you can't buy, like, three or four drinks just one person going up to the bar. Like, we're way stricter than that.
01:06:48
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Yeah. Probably because of stuff like this. but We're like, we're American friends. We're like, no, no, no. Maybe back in 1974, we could do that. Yeah, but yeah, yeah. Oh, we're crazy, too, for sure.
01:07:03
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But... um There was a limit of six beers each per purchase.
01:07:13
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Per purchase. That's right. Not per person. Per the whole evening, but per purchase. Okay. Yeah. Damn.
01:07:26
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I know. How would they make... How do you carry that many beers? Oh, my God. Okay, well, this this explains a little bit what how people were taking advantage.
01:07:37
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um This columnist, this writer, Hal Leibovitz, said, I saw five sitting mr and i saw five fans stand in the beer line, each getting the max six cups.
01:07:49
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That's 30 beers.
01:07:53
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Some of them drank two cups and the others inhaled nearly 10 apiece. So they're splitting them. Yeah, I mean, that's what I used to do when I went out to the bar with my friends. I'd get them to order two drinks so that because I would order my two drinks and I i would drink really fast in the bar.
01:08:16
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So I would order my two drinks and that's all I was allowed. So if they were ordering one, I would get them to order me a second drink. And then so that I could have three drinks because I would drink three drinks in the time it would take them to drink one drink.
01:08:31
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Um... so that's how I rolled made them order me order me other drinks right oh god how watered down were they damn I was just slamming them back ah but yeah but it makes sense you don't have to keep going back up to the bar if you can just least order two per person or something um and like yeah the gab when we were going to the bar like the waitress if it was really busy couldn't It would come around like maybe once every 30-40 minutes if you were lucky.
01:09:08
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Like, so yeah yeah, you need a few drinks. Oh yeah. yeah
01:09:16
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Pardon me. Yeah. So I would need three drinks. Yeah, they're just like slamming them. I don't know, walking back from the thing. I don't know. No, the lines are probably insane, so be like, this is my one liter work construction. A lot of them have like huge water bottles. Just pour your beer straight in there.
01:09:40
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Yes.
01:09:44
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The old yeah milk jug as water bottle. Yeah. With X's. Just like a freaking four liter thing. Yeah, whatever it's called.
01:09:57
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um So yeah, those who are drinking this night are drinking a lot, but there are still some, like there was families and stuff, so some were drinking, um quote, little to none. But the sober people and the younger people families with young kids and stuff, they left fairly quickly in the evening, very early on.
01:10:17
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And who could blame them? I mean, yeah. So...
01:10:26
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Oh yeah, fun fact, the $0.10 back then is equal to about $0.64 today-ish, roughly. It said in 2024. And that was like the regular cost for a beer was ah around $0.65 then, or about $4.14 in today's money.
01:10:45
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That's still half the cost of what we're paying. yeah yeah. Oh god, yes. fucking going out to get getting something at the freaking yeah a concert or any other like yeah stadium venue or the movies oh my god it's like fucking like nine ten bucks yeah you're just like this is some concentrated like sweetener syrup and water like this this is barely coca-cola and it's like you can get coca-cola a small ah candy and a ah small popcorn for nine dollars you're like really jesus oh it's so bad ah what was i say oh and the beer you get is so
01:11:38
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bad okay speaking of the beer this beer was i don't know i looked up how to pronounce it strohs or straws s-t-r-o-h is the name so maybe strohs because that's what i'm going with um it was a detroit brewery ah so okay all their other beers sound kind of vaguely germany watch me trip through these go gobble schaefer schlitz augsburger erlanger old style lone star old milwaukee red river and signature as well as they produce stroh's ice cream they make beer ice cream for some reason um so they're like these small little paper cups like either 8 10 or 12 ounces
01:12:32
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the source was like the sources couldn't even decide you know but like they're small i guess that's pretty small and they're only 3.2 percent beer which to me is like pretty darn oh okay so they weren't getting like a full like pint or whatever yeah because a pint is typically 14 or 16 ounces depending on yeah okay europe so they are They're sample size. They're chasers. Paper cups.
01:13:03
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Yeah, I don't know. be And to me, I'm like, 3.2%. Yeah. So
01:13:15
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they're getting like, yeah so the limit was like six of those. yeah Okay. her per Okay. I can see how people were ordering six at a time.
01:13:28
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I know. I'm not good at chugging beer. Like it would take me. i don't think I could get drunk. Yeah.
01:13:36
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I don't know. I know. Although sometimes draft. i don't know. But that's right. Maybe if they cost 10 cents. Yeah.
01:13:48
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Oh, my God.
01:13:51
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um Oh, another little fun anecdote was from ah guy in attendance called Pat Conway. ah He said, remembered how quote, a drunken girl in front of him stood, lifted her dress and displayed a garter on her left thigh.
01:14:06
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Someone suggested he tuck a dollar in. I can't, he replied. That would be 10 beers.
01:14:14
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It's not economic. like um And then it said 14 years later later, how he went on to found the Great Lakes Brewing Company. so His love of beer continues. With that dollar! No.
01:14:29
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Yeah. I'm about to switch over. Some of my notes are... I didn't get it all onto my printout.
01:14:41
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For Mike Hargrove, a Texas Ranger, it was his very first time in Cleveland. Oh, no. What do you
01:14:51
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what do you think of Cleveland, Mike? Yeah. Oh, I got some great quotes. You just wait. By the second inning, nudity hit the field. A woman with what what one source described as enormous breasts ran out to the center circle or whatever the fuck they call it.
01:15:09
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And she flashed the crowd. The what? The pitcher. I think it's the pitcher's mound.
01:15:18
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It was something. It had circle in it. Pardon me. I don't know. I don't know my baseball terms. I don't really either. hey My headphone would like me to charge it.
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Fine. Okay, I just need to... Yeah, I'm charging my my case. right I didn't realize my head... Oh, they're at 10% right now.
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That's why mine said please charge me. That's when they start to give me the warnings when I'm at 10%. Or like, yeah, maybe I'll plug one of them in. like My boop boop will go on my phone. I'll be like, oh, fine.
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How to pronounce sport.
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All
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right.
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Now it says my headphones are at 60%.
01:16:18
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I don't What? Where's the lie? Where's the top of this? Also, it titled this one, Streaking was all the rage at the time, because that's how I started this paragraph.
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Okay.
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Am I back at the top here? I'm so sorry. i'm having difficulties knowing where I began this, because I also, like, mixed and matched a bunch of great quote like quotes and yeah i think i'm at the top now there we go
01:17:00
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um they were talking about the crowd uh ken aspermonte indians manager said after we saw batting practice i saw a lot of people in the stands i hadn't seen before i said wow we've got a big crowd tonight they were already drinking beer And someone else echoed Fazio.
01:17:18
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It was not our typical crowd. Oh, I like this because they talked about the the weed. Larry McCoy, umpire, recalled, we walked to home plate about five minutes before game time and there was kind of a cloud over home plate.
01:17:33
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I had no idea what it was. Two of the younger umpires said, don't you know what that is? That's marijuana.
01:17:41
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And then but somebody else paused. You could get high just by breathing deep.
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ah whoop go down faster there we go
01:17:53
Speaker
um some guy coghlin every half inning something was going on it was stuff we'd never ever seen at a baseball game at any ballpark and this is um the mike hargrove whose first time it was there the ranger guy yeah Between innings, people ran across the field.
01:18:12
Speaker
The first time, there was a couple people. The next inning, there would be five. Then there would be ten. And then a lot of people. And when I say a lot, I mean a lot. Yeah, that's excessive. Okay.
01:18:24
Speaker
little disruptive. It's in between, but still.
01:18:30
Speaker
You're like, oh, there goes one. Oh! Right.
01:18:36
Speaker
Right. Um, oh yes, and then the aforementioned streaking was all the rage at the time, so much so that two months earlier at the Oscars, a man had done deed. Um, but this new dude ran right behind host David Niven, like on live TV. I remember hearing about this on a different podcast.
01:18:56
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, wow. The 70s. The Oscars have been downhill ever since. Yeah.
01:19:06
Speaker
Um... Fans in the bleachers by now were um trying to get better seats, jockeying for you know further down seats or whatever. And people were going up and down the stands and generally being belligerent.
01:19:20
Speaker
And a seventh inning firecrackers were being thrown in towards the dugout, sending players scrambling. So this was the first major breach of conduct, I would say. Holy Because mean, other than that, like, if you're not disrupting the play, it's like, and okay, let that slide, you know.
01:19:41
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Oops. Down too far.
01:19:45
Speaker
Cleveland PA announcer Bob Kiefer warned the next fans on the field could be prosecuted. So he tried to warn them. ah But that didn't really work.
01:19:56
Speaker
um They keep doing the back and forth. They're smoking pot. They're cheering and jeering. somebody somewhere is playing war drums i don't know this was part of the actual like you know game announcements but like they were doing nothing to really put a stop to it other than being like don't do that you better not yeah which do you think that's gonna work i don't know
01:20:30
Speaker
um They told them not to litter on the field and everybody threw their empty cups onto the field. They were like, whatever. Yeah.
01:20:42
Speaker
And the poor ground crews that were trying to clean up the field in between all the, or they've been working nonstop since the second inning to keep the play area clean. They were used as targets. So people were just like throwing their cans and cups at them.
01:21:01
Speaker
They're like, water boy! No. which Well, I mean, yeah, if you got a bunch of little paper cups, what are you gonna do them all? I know, the paper cups probably don't even actually hurt, but it still sucks. Oh yeah, they're probably not all of them empty.
01:21:20
Speaker
and oh No, things are getting thrown. Stinky beer.
01:21:26
Speaker
um and like an Maybe a different lady or maybe the same as the flasher, but a different lady probably had to be like tackled off the field. It said they were like, she had to be taken forcibly off. And then they were like yelling about police brutality.
01:21:47
Speaker
But then it was ironic. Cause then when a ball went into a player's stomach, they were like, hit him harder. or Like the crowd was just all over the place.
01:21:57
Speaker
Oh my God. Sounds unpredictable. Yeah. um a Texas manager, Billy Martin said the fans showed the worst sportsmanship in the history of baseball.
01:22:13
Speaker
um Cleveland manager, Ken Asper Monte. I've never seen anything like that in all my life. And I've played baseball all over the world.
01:22:21
Speaker
ah But umpire Nestor Chilak, they were uncontrolled beasts. I've never seen anything like it except in a zoo. Yeah. And I think I have later on that he was in actual war. Wow. That just makes that kind of funny.
01:22:37
Speaker
oh yeah. um Yeah, the writer, one of the reporter guys, Dan Coughlin. I don't know how to say this last name. I think I said Coughlin.
01:22:50
Speaker
It's spelled like cough, like Lynn. oh I don't know. He said, a woman walked up to the home plate of umpire Nestor Chilak and tried to kiss him compared to what followed that was cute.
01:23:03
Speaker
Oh,
01:23:06
Speaker
Oh, and then, yeah, someone else. Jim Clark, 19. There was a woman dancing on the dugout. She was topless for a bit. She tried to kiss Nestor Chilak. ah So, to me, this umpire is just getting...
01:23:17
Speaker
sexually harassed so far. Yeah. I mean, just, you know, no big deal. um Fans breached the field of play in the middle innings.
01:23:30
Speaker
That's no news, but it said they showered Martin with beer when he disputed a call and he blew kisses back at them. Oh no, i don't antagonize them.
01:23:43
Speaker
Sorry. Yeah, I'm coughing.
01:23:49
Speaker
ah As beat writer Rush Schneider detailed, in the sixth inning, one of the youths who raced across the outfield stopped and disrobed, then streaked back and forth until he escaped over the right field fence and into the arms of a policeman.
01:24:04
Speaker
Catch me! And this one, um there was more quotes, because this streaker, I'm sure, is the same one. he They were like, by the end of it, he only had one sock left.
01:24:16
Speaker
And there's a picture of a streaker with one sock. I don't know I got that one on, but like, I swear there was like like Getty's images page of like all these different pictures, man. Oh, man.
01:24:29
Speaker
i don't know if we'll be able to use any of those for like the website or how, you know, licensable they are, but today whatever. it's on Google.
01:24:42
Speaker
Yeah. A streaker with one black sock.
01:24:48
Speaker
Um, to to do, do, do, The brew propelled brew propelled bleacher fans began to hop into the better seats, roam around the park, disturb the bullpens, jump over the fence and onto the field.
01:24:59
Speaker
Leibovitz wrote. Hmm. The hooliganism was not confined to bleach rights only, but they were in the vast majority. Umpires, ushers, security guards, and the grounds crew spent much of their time herding fans off the field and scooping up their discarded clothing, empty beer cups, and other trash.
01:25:18
Speaker
Sounds like a party.
01:25:22
Speaker
Oh, yes, and then a father-son duo mooned the crowd midfield, so they got into it family style.
01:25:32
Speaker
Oh yeah, another quote about the streaker. coughlin or Coughlin. Jesus Christ. I keep saying it different. Streaking was popular in those days. This kid ran on the field stark naked. He was running along the outfield fence, but he couldn't see what was going on on the other side of the fence, where the police were running alongside of him.
01:25:51
Speaker
Finally, he decides to climb over the fence, and police were waiting for him with a huge garbage bag. He gets over the fence into the bag, and they lugged him off, and the fans cheered.
01:26:03
Speaker
Straight to the garbage bag. yeah some Clothes on you, boy. And ah from Mike Hargrove, I think I got four pounds of hot dogs thrown at me that night.
01:26:17
Speaker
Oh yeah, beer and hot dogs.
01:26:21
Speaker
Love a ballpark dog. Love a dog on the go. yeah Yeah, I don't know. I love like any hot dog vendor I see. I'm like, I want a hot dog. Yeah.
01:26:35
Speaker
um I remember somebody online being like, oh yeah, they used to have those at the, I think they said the home hardware, but like, you know, outside of sometimes like Home Depot type stores.
01:26:47
Speaker
Oh yeah. They'll have somebody set up. I've seen that. I've seen that too. I'd be like, oh yeah. oh Firecrackers.
01:27:02
Speaker
Okay.
01:27:06
Speaker
ah but Some more quotes. Clark in the fourth inning, Rangers starting pitcher Fergie Jensen got hit and they were yelling, hit him again, hit him again. i thought, wow, the alcohol is talking early.
01:27:18
Speaker
I think I included this just for this guy's awesome name. Les Flake, Cleveland's famous beer guy. you don't know. Said, I had started selling hot dogs for the Indians that season.
01:27:30
Speaker
You couldn't sell beer until you were 19. I was down the third baseline and I think it was around nine o'clock that I said, I gotta to get out of here. Jeez.
01:27:41
Speaker
He's noping.
01:27:46
Speaker
Oh, the on-deck circle. That was the circle thing. that She was flashing on. ah i' but Scrolling down. Okay, so it starts to all fall apart.
Riot and Game Forfeit
01:28:01
Speaker
um Where is it? Near on the 9th?
01:28:10
Speaker
Hang on. They tried to carry on. Even as the home team was losing, but started making a comeback against the Rangers... ah Cleveland was down 5-3 at one point. um
01:28:22
Speaker
Then I have a quote that I already said. Okay. So then it was the ninth inning, which I know is up there in baseball.
01:28:34
Speaker
I think that's near the end. I think they do 10. think Okay. That's why it's always like bottom of the ninth bases are loaded or whatever. I think so.
01:28:46
Speaker
So during the ninth inning, Cleveland is making a comeback amidst the chaos. And never mind about the bases, as Cleveland Magazine's article so cleverly put it, everyone was loaded.
01:28:58
Speaker
um there a baseball game going on in this pub?
01:29:06
Speaker
this This TV is so good, it's like we're actually um we're at going to interrupt your party here. Yeah, we're just going to play some baseball.
01:29:21
Speaker
But their victory run was cut short when some spectators got it in mind to go steal one player's cap. And this was Jeff Burroughs. And all hell broke loose.
01:29:34
Speaker
Really? know they're dicks, right? The New York Times described it thusly. Cleveland erased a 5-3 deficit in the ninth and appeared poised for a walk-off win when all hell broke loose.
01:29:47
Speaker
This sounds like gibberish a bit. Sorry. It was a ballpark riot lasting nearly 10 minutes, players versus fans, and one of the ugliest scenes ever to grace a baseball field. From Schneider's dispatch, quote, a couple of spectators leaped onto the playing field and tried to steal the cap from the head of Jeff Burrows, the Rangers' right fielder.
01:30:08
Speaker
Burrows fought back and quickly scores of youths jumped over the railing and onto the field. While players... Not the youths. And Rangers race to the defense of the outfielder.
01:30:19
Speaker
I can't not say it and not think of Schmidt. The youths! From the statistics!
01:30:28
Speaker
um This time the Indians and Rangers, who fought each other last Wednesday night in Arlington, Texas, joined forces to protect themselves from the unruly mob.
01:30:39
Speaker
shit. Too far.
01:30:43
Speaker
Cleveland pitcher Tom Hilgendorf took a folding chair to the head. But don't worry. shes That didn't stop him from saving a boy from drowning one month later.
01:30:55
Speaker
oh okay. I know, right? Oh yeah,
01:31:02
Speaker
ah yeah I tried to find a little more about that. One website tried to block me. It was something like... a it said july 6th but now i'm confused because this game was in june anyway so something had a weird timeline but he had he had just been playing another game ah it was the calif playing the california angels in anaheim and he was walking back to his hotel he spotted a boy that was in the bottom of a pool um at the saga motel near disneyland yeah oh wow um
01:31:35
Speaker
Yeah, so it said the pitcher dove into the pool fully clothed and saved the boy, 13-year-old Jerry Zarate. Which is crazy. um so Oh, upset us ah sorry.
01:31:49
Speaker
To complete the quote, of San Francisco who had suffered leg cramps and could not move. I got him up once, but he slipped back. Hildendorf was quoted as saying in newspapers, the second time I made it, he's a lucky kid. Normally I wouldn't have passed by the pool, but I decided to take a shortcut because it was getting late.
01:32:04
Speaker
So just by chance.
01:32:07
Speaker
Anyway, so glad he wasn't hurt too bad by that chair to the head. is Jeez. Yeah, it is like some cage match now.
01:32:18
Speaker
Yes, tables, letters, and chairs.
01:32:25
Speaker
um That umpire guy, Nestor Chilak, he ended up with an injury to his hand. And yes, he was in in war before it He had previously earned a silver star and a purple heart in World War II during the literal Battle of the Bulge.
01:32:44
Speaker
Now he's in, like, the Battle of the Baseball Field. Oh, man. He's like, this is the country fought for. fought for your freedom so you could smack me over the head and try and kiss me.
01:33:01
Speaker
oh So many things were stolen, including police caps and badges and, of course, all of the bases.
01:33:13
Speaker
I mean... um ah Oh yeah, and then they start to get real rowdy. ah As one source had this version, someone standing in a mob on top of the Texas Rangers dugout punched a reporter in the side of the head several minutes after the riot at the stadium had subsided.
01:33:34
Speaker
So yeah, they're all on top of the dugout now too. um oh I think that's the one picture I see then. oh I should have had so many more pictures. I started to...
01:33:47
Speaker
And then I just, I don't know what happened. I was just doing it one day. Yeah, pictures people in the dugouts, pictures of ah fighters or fighters, players, like, fighting and banding together. um This, like, person in the mob is punching the reporter and then threatening to kill him, and he says, jeff Burrow comes out tomorrow, I'll kill him too. He's like, just...
01:34:15
Speaker
whack like i don't know don't know what i was gonna say it's just going off the rails um and then i found a different version of that same scene from the reporter that got hit he's that uh that cochland guy that i can't know how i say his last name yeah
01:34:38
Speaker
um he said the craziest thing i saw was at the very end eight or ten teenagers standing on top of the rangers dugout chanting for them to come out and fight they had turned off all the main lights in the stadium the place was empty with my reporter's notebook clearly visible i climbed on top of the dugout i asked what are you guys trying to prove here they're gone and a kid behind another one reached out and punched me right in the jaw but i didn't even feel it i shook it off he didn't have his feet planted
01:35:07
Speaker
And he's drunk. probably Yes. And the ah it goes on. Someone said it was a kid from Cathedral Latin, a big high school with tough Irish and Italian kids on the east side.
01:35:19
Speaker
Later, I heard it was a kid from Salon. I couldn't have been a kid from Cathedral Latin because they were tough guys. To say I didn't even feel it would be a terrible insult for anyone from Cathedral Latin. What?
01:35:33
Speaker
The tough guys. Tough. um never heard somebody be stereotyped by what school they go to by how they punch man Cleveland's a different place
01:35:49
Speaker
um ah so the game was forfeit so I was gonna say but they even count this as a game eventually no which was ah probably a piss off for the Cleveland home team who had been coming back.
01:36:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. They said the final forfeit score, which I didn't know they still gave it a score when it was a forfeit. ah But it was nine to zero for the Rangers. So in favor of the Texas Rangers. Because Cleveland's fans suck.
01:36:30
Speaker
No. Yeah. They're like, as apologies. Yeah. Yeah. a ah Yeah, Mike Hargrove said that was my first trip into Cleveland.
01:36:41
Speaker
He was a rookie with Texas and later played for Cleveland and managed the Indians after he retired. So he didn't harbor too many grudges. Yes. Damn. But... He said, I'd never been to Cleveland. It was my first impression of Cleveland and I came away not really impressed.
01:36:57
Speaker
That's great. I don't remember being shocked or scared until it was all over with until we were in the clubhouse. Then I realized how dangerous it was and felt very fortunate for everybody to get out of it relatively unharmed.
01:37:11
Speaker
Yeah. And then he had a quote about the amount of hot dogs and everything. It's a great memory. The things that were thrown at you on the field.
01:37:24
Speaker
At you on the field, sorry. Hartgrove, remember. There had to be 200 pounds of hot dogs thrown at me. Nothing ever hit. They're like stormtroopers. Blah, blah, blah.
01:37:34
Speaker
Just everywhere but at him. um We were far away from stands that thank goodness the fans aim was not very good. The main thing I remember is how the fans started jumping out of the stands one inning down the right field bullpen and run across the left field bullpen and climb back up the stands.
01:37:51
Speaker
That started out, if memory serves me, it was 50 years ago. Two or three people did it one inning, then all of a sudden it was five or ten, then by the seventh inning it was a hundred people running back and forth.
01:38:03
Speaker
I remember a father and son went out into the center field and mooned the crowd, which I thought was kind of weird. I remember a guy streaking and security chasing him down. He had two black socks on. He jumped over the right center field wall. Just as they got to him, they grabbed his legs and came down with one black sock and he took off.
01:38:21
Speaker
I don't know where he ended up. So they came away with one black sock. I was like, wait, they didn't get him.
01:38:32
Speaker
Yeah. So it really sucked out. They had to forfeit all the, like, good plays that they had made in the later game. of Texas Tom Greave banged out two homers, you know.
01:38:47
Speaker
Oh, and then in the beginning of the fourth inning, while Greave was circling the bases on his second home run, a naked man slid into second base.
01:38:58
Speaker
Um...
01:39:00
Speaker
Yeah, and just to any other things they tried to do to prevent the escalation of events. They tried playing take me out to the ball game. I don't know. they make any other announcements?
01:39:14
Speaker
um Like one guy thought he would might. Former Cleveland Vice President Ted Bonda said he considered handing Gaylord Perry a mic to deliver a calming message to the fans in the seventh inning.
01:39:29
Speaker
But someone talked him out of it. So. Yeah, at that point. The first announcement didn't work. Like, don't know.
01:39:42
Speaker
ah He said, hi he wishes now he ab obeyed his gut feeling, but hindsight's better than foresight. I was like, oh, yeah, I see what you're saying.
01:39:54
Speaker
Yeah, but like they had other examples where um a stern warning had sufficed at an earlier incident at a different... Like, a playoff game the previous year.
01:40:06
Speaker
um ah one game they had tried announcing if fans didn't stop chucking stuff at Pete Rose, the game would be forfeit. And that time it worked. In this other instance.
01:40:18
Speaker
um Yeah, it was like once the manager... whose name was Yogi Berra. forget that guy existed. and i was like Yogi Berra! Yogi Berra!
01:40:31
Speaker
Hey, Once he and a couple other players stepped out onto the field to plead for fans to give us a chance to win on the field, they did. The fans stopped whatever they were doing.
01:40:46
Speaker
But not on Tencent Beer Night. Nope. Nope.
Discussion on Promotions and Sports Hooliganism
01:40:51
Speaker
um And it's crazy because they said on the dollop that there's been only 129 forfeits in 139 years of pro baseball. And that was in 2014. I don't know.
01:41:08
Speaker
But like only maybe a maximum of like a dozen people arrested. most just dispersed. yeah players Yeah. The players just waited it out like in inside until they, for a couple hours until they felt like they could safely leave. Like their managers were like, well, you all just stay in here for now. Then we'll take you back to the hotel.
01:41:29
Speaker
Then you can stay in the hotel. For the night. And you're not going anywhere. And they're like, okay. let's escapee but Yeah. yeah They were just like kind of hungry too. Because they didn't get to eat their supper. They just had to go back to the hotel.
01:41:42
Speaker
They didn't want to eat any of the hot dogs chucked at them? Why not? Yes. Oh, disgusting. Damn. Later, the manager of the Rangers, Billy Martin, called Ken Aspermonte. Okay.
01:41:58
Speaker
the other manager to thank the Indians for coming to his team's defense. Yeah. And I said, well, that's, it's somewhat ironically that they had held the same promo the week before, which had resulted in that bench clearing brawl. So it's just like, just this happened to be the night that everything like boiled over. I don't know.
01:42:19
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah. Basically it almost gotten into the same kind of thing the week before, but it hadn't quite, got that bad, but, like, it had helped amp everything up because, like, um, what is it? yeah after the bench-clearing brawl, then the radio personality Pete Franklin was on air saying things like, come out to beer night and let's stick it in Billy Martin's ear and, like, amping them up against the other team. Uh, yeah.
01:42:48
Speaker
That doesn't help. Yeah. It didn't. No. He's like, oh, shit. Um... andpa but But so yeah, afterwards, everyone plays the blame game. Fans, officials, beer, the announcers, the umpires, and the full moon even gets fair share of money.
01:43:08
Speaker
One lady called the, um, the newspaper, the plane dealer or whatever. It was like, it was the full moon. they're like, yeah, lady, that was probably a ah little bit of it. yeah
01:43:20
Speaker
It's me. yeah It was me. I called them. No, is um, And then people like were next ah when their next game came up with the Rangers, excuse me, people were a little nervous.
01:43:33
Speaker
hu um And they had other beer nights scheduled on the docket still, but they went ahead. They said, let's go ahead with them. um Ted Bond of the vice president said, we plan to have them. They are, they are our fans. Where have they been? I'm not going to chase them away. They haven't interrupted the game.
01:43:55
Speaker
like Are you sure about that?
01:43:59
Speaker
They can't ban beer, Kelsey. They can't. No, but they can make it more expensive than 10 cents. Yes. They do set some limits.
01:44:14
Speaker
So, yeah, if we learned anything from the June fourth beer night, the 10 cent beer night, it's that limits are a good thing for drinks to have. Yeah.
01:44:25
Speaker
The next time people were limited to two beers east each, rather, and they had thrice the security people. And it was quiet. So quiet, one source, that but you could hear the foam breaking down in your cup. That was like, shut up.
01:44:44
Speaker
Damn. And that's about all. Yeah, they don't do it really nowadays. They'll do a cheap beer during the pregame where you can have Coors Light or Miller for $2. So you get even two to box is cheap to me.
01:44:55
Speaker
I don't know. yeah that's really cheap.
01:45:02
Speaker
And the marketing people of the promo would argue that it was a success. Some of them were like, hey, it improved attendance. Yeah, I mean. ah seriously. The the crowd, and 60,000 cups of that night.
01:45:18
Speaker
twenty five thousand hundred and thirty four people and they estimate drinks sixty thousand cups of beer that i Holy...
01:45:29
Speaker
I know. um like... So that's... even Hold on. Uh-oh. So an average of... Less than... be like two.
01:45:41
Speaker
But... ah guess... I was tempted to get some... Some beer when we were gonna record this, but... As it turned out, we... Recorded randomly on the fly, so...
01:45:55
Speaker
yeah it's probably best i would not have gotten through these notes they were so long and like so much is happening did you wait were you doing calculations i was going to but then i realized i could 20 25 000 people but that's like and less than a half i guess less than two Right.
01:46:20
Speaker
Oh, because it's like, yeah, there's so many people drinking a lot. Or about kind of two, maybe one average. If everyone, yeah, every person drank an equal amount, which they did not, to be clear. Yes. Absolutely not.
01:46:35
Speaker
It just reminds me, the whole thing whole thing reminds me. do you Did you guys ever watch um the Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhaney, Welcome to Wrexham?
01:46:46
Speaker
Oh, no, I have seen it advertised. I know they have like a rival, right? They own it or they own a team or something. Yeah, and there's a whole episode call called Hooligans, and it's about the um the town's past, and there was a huge, like, um ah they get really violent, um the fans and stuff, so much so that, like, they have to have parts of the crowd, like,
01:47:17
Speaker
that they don't sell any of the seats and they keep the fans separated and actually like that the average person can't um throw something that distance. um So it doesn't make it.
01:47:30
Speaker
and stuff But they've had other times where like people have started fires and like full-on brawls and fistfights and stuff between like hundreds of people or attacks at length um like el like bus terminals and train stations and stuff between fans. So they have to like figure out the logistics of like when a train is arriving, they have to have it cordoned off so that... like the fans trying to get to the stadium from the other city or town aren't coming across the fans of the other team.
01:48:07
Speaker
um Oh, yeah, the opposing fans. Oh, my God, that's crazy. Yeah, they go hard, don't they? Yeah, it's, like, crazy. So I was thinking about that the whole time, being like, yeah, i can imagine this happening.
01:48:24
Speaker
Even though it seems like, yeah, they barely had much of a... rivalry other than like i don't know maybe couple games
01:48:34
Speaker
oh cleveland you guys are crazy um i am almost done i'm surprised we got i thought that was gonna take me longer but um yeah i guess they i i learned the average game would sell about 23 000 drinks today so yeah that's a lot okay yeah and this crazy I said in a city where the Cuyahoga River has caught on fire in the past multiple times which just came up that's a fun fact listening to that ah too much beer in the river
01:49:15
Speaker
oil something remnants on top of it that cut can yeah it was it was very dirty I guess ah
01:49:26
Speaker
And the Portland Pickles, a collegiate summer team, so not a pro, but like, you know, school team, had hosted their own Tencent Beer Night promo with a local brewery in 2024. Because, you know, over the over the years of time, it's softened the lens little bit, and they sell their t-shirts, and they fondly and proudly, I think, embrace the memory of Tencent Beer Night. Oh, okay.
01:49:54
Speaker
But Tencent Beer Night in 2024. Now that's amazing. I know. Is it a thimble? Is it a thimble of Is it two drops of beer?
01:50:07
Speaker
i know. I don't even know if that was at a particular game or just with this brewery. But what a friggin' promo to tie your brand too I mean.
01:50:20
Speaker
you can get Especially inflation.
01:50:24
Speaker
So there was no picture? I didn't get the picture of the sock streaker on the drive? i meant to. There's people dancing on top of the dugout. It looks like there's a lady like or maybe a guy with long hair like kneeled down. It looks like he's like yelling at one of the players.
01:50:40
Speaker
and then oh um And then there's that Burroughs guy that they tried to steal the hat from. he looks very 70s with his sunglasses.
01:50:52
Speaker
He does. does. um then there's some of the players like running on the field oh yeah if you google it the the streaker comes up he's like mid-run he's got one sock on at that point um fuck i meant to put that one on there and then like there's there's pictures of like the piles of beer cans just oh i see that one oh my god oh i'll try and definitely find some for the Instagram and as always Kelsey puts amazing pictures and stuff on the website and sources when I remember to send them to her it so yeah check out our socials oh yeah there will be some pictures um geez yay we did that's crazy I'm seeing all the people like on the field at once and that's a lot of people
01:51:51
Speaker
They were just mob mentality.
Personal Anecdotes and Reflections on Beer
01:51:55
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, the worst thing we do at hockey games, look, we throw stuff. if If you get a hat trick, then people throw their hats on the ice.
01:52:05
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It's actually yeah kind of nice. They get swept up and then I think they get donated, don't they? i don't know. I think so. And I know they do the teddy bear drive whatever.
01:52:18
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They throw them all. Yeah, they ask for people to bring teddy bears, and then at some point during the game, they ask for them to be thrown on the ice, and then they like donate them to charities and maybe the children's hospital and stuff.
01:52:32
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That's fun. It's fun for your kid to do. Yeah, it's cute. Yeah. I just remember going to a football game once and it got kind of rowdy and I was probably like 11 or 12 and it's where my hatred for beer started because I had like,
01:52:52
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um like the stands were so steep and like you put your drink on the floor, like on the cement at your feet. And I had twice during the Because there's cup holders.
01:53:05
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Yeah, I had twice during the game where somebody kicked over their drink and it like went down my back. um And I was like, yeah, like 11 or 12 and I just was covered in beer from obnoxious football fans. And you're sober because you're 11 or 12. you're just like, what's the drunk you're to? Yeah, and just like gross and yeah, uncomfortable and then just stink like beer. yeah.
01:53:34
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It's not great. Why can't they have cup holders? Like, come on. They should. They're basically movie theater seats already. It's so bad.
01:53:46
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Oh, Lord. Yeah. It was fun, though. I liked... And I had fun when we went to the movies. We saw Sinners. It was good.
01:53:57
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we will have to... Yes. My family wants to see... We all want to see the frickin' Final Destination... I would love to go see that i have heard I've heard a bit um people are saying it's really good yeah was like watch the trailer Kelsey watch the trailer
01:54:17
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yeah we should try and do that too but anyway we can let Kelsey rest what are we doing next time for the people we are doing stuff involving twins
01:54:35
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Yes. Yeah, I thought it might be fun for the start of, like, Gemini season to do some weird, creepy twin shit and other twin ESP and stuff. Yeah.
01:54:47
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Yeah. oh So stay tuned for that one. And also, hopefully dropping our Patreon soon. We've been working on our movie lists of top 10 horror, top worst horror. Yeah.
01:55:02
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That got delayed a little bit too. thanks for hanging in there, everybody. you know. We appreciate your patience. And go give us a rating and a stabar rating.
01:55:17
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