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187: South American Folklore
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Hey cryptic cuties, we hope you are enjoying our South America focused eps for the last couple weeks. We love learning about different countries and their folklore, and are always excited to share it with you all.
Kelsey takes a dive into the beliefs of the Mapuche people of Chile and Argentina, whose folklore centers around duality and balance between opposing forces, bleeding into everything, including their creatures.
Alanna shares the history of el duende, a trickster spirit that may try to lure you into the woods. It is said to target lonely single women , or only children, or only men, it really depends on what you are reading. Tune in to find out how to defend yourself against them and their dung throwing ways.
Please enjoy our 3rd co-host of the ep, Gordo, who makes his presence (and displeasure) known multiple times throughout the ep. Donate on patreon so we can set up a Gordo cam, both his cuteness and distraction levels are off the charts, you have no idea what we have to put up with lol.
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Introduction to Darkcast Network and Hosts
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Darkcast Network. Indie pods with a dark side.
Theme of 'Castles and Cryptids' Podcast
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You are listening to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm your host, Alanna. and I'm Kelsey.
Gordo the Cat's Cameo
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And the ah shaking, purring in the background is Gordo, as most of you will know.
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But if you're new here, meet Kelsey's cat. Okay. yeah yeah take a drink from me having to mention him in the first 10 seconds but then he shook his collar during the intro yeah he's been very very needy attention seeking he's exhibiting some very high attention seeking behavior today beware shall you start a podcast your cat will do the same no you were like no he's good and he's calm and he's just laying here and then I started the intro and I swear I was like now he's purring in the mic yeah he was closer to the mic than I was he was he's trying to take over as Alana's co-host of this podcast no you watch out because the next thing you know he's gonna be trying to knock you off
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Yep. He'll be poisoning my food. God.
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Oh, no my lord. No, we just did the... Oh, that's a good segue.
Synchronicities in Podcast Topics
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yeah we were just talking about um ah synchronicities of, like, we covered the thing on our Patreon of a Reddit post about a fiancé napping.
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ah fake fiancé napping, shall we say. Yeah. Yeah. um where someone was like yeah i guess like angela from the office tried to get fake kidnapped for their um proposal but like then they covered it on sinisterhood but then also on wine and crime i was catching up with some of their recent ones and they had done a fur crimes sort of themed episode oh and i was like when did this come out we just did animal detectives same day came out on april 10th i was like wait a minute
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wow plagiarism
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or that arrested development season when um will arnett and phil's ben stiller's character just like same same same ah children over and over again i know the synchronicity of it all was so like i was like what
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We did not call them. Cool as we are, we do not know wine and crime or some of those other big ones in the biz.
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It's funny because I've noticed Gordo, you can't be behind the laptop. There's a candle there. your camera. a
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Buddy. Did he just hiss at you? oh yeah.
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Okay, bye. They sound so funny when they get mad. With Fenrir, he's just like, oh. Yours, it's like, hiss.
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I'm going to claw your eyes out. Yeah.
YouTube Reactions to TV Shows
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ah No, I noticed there's like a few of my YouTube like channels that I watch that do reactions for movies and TV shows.
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Ooh, yes. ah there's one that literally just finished reacting to The Good Place ah like last week or the week before they finished and two of the other channels I watch have now started reacting to good The Good Place.
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So I'm like I watch. show that is not like new necessarily. So that's interesting. And yeah I think two of two of the channels are also reacting to Killing Eve now. And I'm just like, damn, like, everybody's reaction to the same shows.
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Like, there are obviously a lot of them are reacting. know.
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ah Yeah, a lot of it, like, a lot of you get... um a lot of them watching like the new shows kind of like week by week as they come out so there's a lot of overlap that way but when you get into the older shows like you said you really don't expect everybody to watching the same show at no or for like this person's on episode nine and this group's on episode three and this group just finished and this group might start uh Especially if they're just people that react to all different things, ah which I'm guessing is the case. Yeah, it's not like you're watching a ah rewatch...
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podcast or whatever like office ladies or the one that yeah they re-watched the new girl and it's called the mess around i think yeah like because i'll watch those ones too and then you know what episode they're going to be on and stuff but that's weird for a bunch of yours to be ah reviewing an older show yeah all seemingly at the same time right uh i thought it was kind of funny it is But a lot of it, like almost all of them, I think have, they put the shows that they want to watch next, like up on a list. And then they have kind of the viewers yeah vote on which one they're actually going to start next.
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Oh, wow. Okay. So these people are just like, we don't care. As long as you react to something cool, we'll watch it. but Yeah. Like they'll put up the ones that they're most interested in watching and be like, Hey, which ones are you guys wanting to see first? Or which ones should we start first? Uh,
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but yeah i just thought it was funny that like within a couple months three of them are watching the same show it's like damn so crazy i mean it's not but yeah i get like the synchronicities when i'm like but why because i literally had a piece of paper the other day where i was writing down because you know i jot these things and then i was like but then you podcast and one day mentioned an old 90s anti-drug ad and not the popular one like this is your brain this is your brain on drugs like an obscure yeah it was like you did this to me dad or i'm that's you're the reason i am this way i had never heard of it and then like on two different shows just randomly came out was like
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what anyway those are the kind of things that i write down yeah you know what that just reminded me of i think it was on facebook i just saw a thing that said you remember uh it was very early maybe even late 1990s that ad god never say late no i add god never say late nineteen ninety s now ah I feel it in my soul. Well, that little that little promo that used to play on like DVDs being like, you wouldn't pirate a DVD. You wouldn't pirate this.
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You wouldn't steal a car. Yeah. And it was so like aggressive, this like music and the font and everything. Oh, yes. People do talk about that one sometimes.
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apparently they're now in hot water the people that made that uh because now we've discovered like 20 some years later that they may have they may have copied or quote-unquote pirated the font that they used off and stolen it from somebody else so it's honestly kind of hilarious to me or like some sort of of reaching ironic clickbait yeah Maybe.
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I honestly did not click into the article. I just thought it was so funny. i Well, it didn't get you then. i know. Yeah. No, that's crazy. I just thought it was hilarious. You wouldn't steal a pizza. You wouldn't steal a car. Don't pirate a movie.
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I know. I don't remember that so much as just like the FBI warning coming up on all the DVDs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then like yeah fci then it was all coming soon. Yeah.
Upcoming Episodes: South American Legends
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I love watching those things and coming soon. You're like, God, that movie's old too. ah you know. I still love asking like um when people get home from the movies and stuff. Like this weekend, Pat took rain to the scary one.
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Oh, God. Under something. Sinners? Until Dawn. and Until Oh, okay. And I'm always like, what trailers did you see? That's what I went on.
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Yeah, that's some of my favorite part. Because even if the movie ends up sucking, at least you saw trailers for what you can see go see next time. I know. I think the only one Pat remembered was a Marvel one. was okay. But then we're going to go see... Well, I think Raina and are going see the Minecraft one.
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I don't know. I would have gone to see either, was the thing. And then... yeah this reigns interested in minecraft and i was like that one looks good too so i think we're gonna go see that one and that should be entertaining because jack black so you know it should work out but we'll get different trailers for sure yeah yeah um anyway how's everybody out there in the ether
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oh hope we're all having a good time
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On this wonderful day when this comes out in several days from now. Again. ah
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yeah were this This one's a short one. And then we're going get going on our next episode. We've already picked our next one. So now I'm very excited to like get going on them. Yeah.
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We'll see. mine mine ended up being a little longer than I thought. But I might cut some of the back out. Yeah. oh It might be a little wordy for what is.
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That's too funny. i don't even know what you're covering because this one's just like, we just left it open to like South American lore and legends. If we haven't said that already, which is not open.
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what did I end up on? Oh, I found an amazing site. I was like, wait, do you know what topic you did?
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i ended up finding an amazing site called folklore.earth um that had a whole bunch of... really cool uh folklore you could look it up by like alphabetical or by country oh my gosh that's the best but yeah shout out to them it was a really cool site so a lot of the information i have at the beginning is from them ah like holy crof cross cross referencing i should say
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Yeah, so yeah, that made it a lot easier when I was looking
Folklore.Earth: A Resource Highlight
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stuff up. And then I kind of padded out um some of their information with some other ah articles and sites.
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But yeah. Yeah, I found a lot of good quotes for mine too, where I was like, oh, good. It's not just like two and a half pages anymore, or whatever. Yeah. Oh, mine's longer than that.
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It's pretty typical for me, but I decided to do the mapo oh yeah Mapuche mythology. They're indigenous group.
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Okay. Okay. yeah I can't say I didn't think Makuchi like when this I was just talking about Handsome Pod and Tig was talking about her friend Kate Makuchi she's like yes my friend Kate Makuchi and they're like oh so she's aware of how it sounds and she's like oh yeah of course she is she had a childhood are pretty Oh yeah, they're very like funny. like
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The one other host, Fortune Feimster, will just be like, well yeah, like cooter, come on. you know like I love Fortune Feimster. She is hilarious. but I watch her stand-up on Netflix.
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Well, Handsome Pod is her, Mae Martin, who's Canadian, comedian, and Tig Notaro, who's a really funny other American comedian So I'm like, oh, it's almost like the female smart list.
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ah Yeah. Tig was in um me Army of the Dead, right? Yes. Because she had dropped things. The helicopter. Yeah, she replaced the guy that got replaced on that one. ah Completely in CGI.
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Filmed it afterwards with no one else from the movie. Like, all her scenes were inserted afterwards. I didn't know that. damn yeah i know it's pretty interesting i was like oh that's crazy yeah she's talked about on the pod a couple times and then i think she keeps referring to it wrong like not army of darkness i don't know maybe she said something else of darkness and i was like you almost got it yeah very good yeah very funny podcast yeah oh damn yeah that sounds fun
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um Yeah, so the Mapuche people, they live in in Chile and Argentina.
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Okay. And yeah, they have very spiritual traditions that focus on the balance between the natural and supernatural worlds. So it's all about ah very much you'll see ah themes of balance.
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So I always think of like yin and yang or yin and for that. But belief system is also rooted in animism.
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Animism. the belief that objects places no um the belief that objects places and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence and are capable of helping or harming human interests oh i like that everything yeah because they also believe yeah sorry yeah I'm philosophizing.
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Be nice to things so they'll be nice to you, even your computer. Yeah. yeah Right?
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That's funny. ah They also believe in ancestor worship and dualistic cosmology in which opposing forces maintain equilibrium in the universe.
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Again, kind of the the balance. Is that what that means? Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I was like, what is dualistic cosmology?
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We both paint our faces with makeup at the same time? but Yeah. What? Oh, cosmetology. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, no.
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Cosmopolitan.
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Oh, God, I used to read that. Oh, so hilarious. Yeah. Hilariously bad in their advice. Yeah. Oh, yeah. famously put a fork on his dick wait why
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i don't know if that was a real one or just something i conjured but yeah i mean who knows in their hundreds of issues it's very likely something about the fork at some point I used to literally prefer to read like the FHM.
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like They weren't exactly the Hustler ones, but they're more like a Sports Illustrated like e FHM. I don't know. forget what the other one was called. But yeah, like those kinds where actually had better articles than Cosmo. She's out there reading Playboy for the articles.
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but Seriously, though. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. ah and So for they had a little on the site, a thing about the rituals and ceremonies. So there's... I'm so sorry. I couldn't print look up any pronunciations other than the Mapuche.
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um So the Nagulu...
Mapuche Sacred Ceremonies
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oh my god nagulatan ah i should have looked up because it's the most sacred ceremony yeah you can't find it so i don't blame you it's a few grand and words that come up in mine i'm unsure of it ah It's a grand prayer ceremony held to honor the spirits, deities, and ancestors.
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And it involves offerings of food and fermented drink, ah sacred dances and music, ah ritual prayers led by the machi, which are their shamans, and animal sacrifices to appease spirits and ask for blessings.
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That's cool. ah This ceremony is crucial for maintaining harmony between the natural and spiritual worlds. um And the role of the mochi or shaman, ah they're highly respected spiritual leaders, healer, and mediator between the human and supernatural realms.
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And their duties can include conducting healing rituals using herbal medicine and chants. interpreting dreams and omens, performing exorcisms to drive away Wakifi,
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ah which i think I have a thing about later. Yeah, I do. More on them later. and ah they lead major ceremonies, including that um
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the most sacred ceremony. Oh yeah. It's got lot
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of names.
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The Mapuche cosmology um actually divides existence into realms.
Mapuche Belief System Explained
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Oh. um There is the Weinu Mapu, which is the upper world and home of benevolent spirits and deities.
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And then there's, yeah the next one is Neg Mapu, which is the earthly world and inhabited by humans, animals, and spirits.
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And then the Minchi or Minchmappu, which is the underworld and associated with darkness, the dead and malevolent entities.
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okay.
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Creepy. Yeah. yeah They had also had a little bit of about ah death in the afterlife. but The Mapuchi believe in an afterlife where spirits journey to the Wenu Mapu and funeral rites can involve placing offerings alongside the deceased for their journey.
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performing prayers and chants to ensure a peaceful passage, and sometimes burying the dead with their belongings, reflecting a belief in continued existence beyond death.
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Which I think those are all pretty common. Yeah. other places. It does seem to be. it just don't like it when they kill a living person.
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animal or companion to go with them. Oh, yeah. Like people's pets and stuff. Yeah. You're like, oh. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. um As I said, their core spiritual belief is in duality where good and evil, life and death, and order and chaos all coexist in balance.
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Yeah. Um... There's the... my god. Never know how to pronounce words that start with NG.
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ni Nenchen. I'm going to say Nenchen. I know, I feel like I super exaggerate it when I have to say Lupita Ngongo. Carol's name is like that.
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um But we try. And then trying, you know what? I think that's all you can do. People appreciate that when you try to speak their language. going to Nenchen. Nenshen is the supreme deity and the most revered deity in the Apache belief.
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ah They're regarded as the creator and protector of the people. And they govern all aspects of life, ensuring harmony between the natural and supernatural realms and embody the four aspects of the cosmos.
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Okay. The sky, the earth, the water, and the air, and the overseeing of humanity and the natural world. He's Captain Planet.
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Earth, wind, water, fire.
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Heart. Or whatever it was.
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The Nenshan is sometimes depicted as a singular god and other times as a fourfold entity, which I've never heard of before, ah embodying different aspects of existence.
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So there's the Fucha, which is the old man, Kushi, which is the old woman, Wenumapu,
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Yeah, Wennu Mapu spirit, which is the heavenly being, and the Nag Mapu spirit, which is the earthly being. Yeah.
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They're old or they're earthly.
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Yeah.
Pilan Spirits and Natural Forces
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ah Getting into some of the spiritual beings and deities. ah First off, we have the Pilan, who are powerful ancestral spirits.
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and Sorry. Ancestral spirits of deceased ancestral leaders and warriors. yeah. yeah Damn.
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And they reside in the Wanumapu, which is like the um like heavenly kind of... Realm. Yeah, like heavenly realm. And they act as intermediaries between the living and the divine and are associated with natural forces such as storms, volcanoes, and earthquakes.
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Oh, that's cool. I'm already thinking of Maui from, or yeah, Moana. Yeah. Oh, wait, not the exact same culture. but no No, but
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I feel like southern hemisphere everything's yeah everything's definitely more rooted in like nature and um that stuff is like very cool disaster type things yeah the stuff that comes up through like the indigenous people's legends and lore is like so closely tied to nature and stuff it's yeah very much think that's cool yeah um the what Oh my god, I'm probably going to pronounce it differently than I did before. quick key
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Wakufi. ah um They oppose the Pilon and are malevolent spirits that can bring disease, misfortune, and even death.
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And, yeah, they're often linked to sorcery and the underworld and serve as agents of chaos and destruction. So, again, kind of like the, um, like the duality. Harbinger of duty. Yeah, but like the two opposing forces that kind of go back and forth.
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Yeah. but like that. You gotta have a bad, like, you Yeah, I'd call it a balance, but it's a duality. Without darkness, there is no light, that sort of thing. Yeah.
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The Dumbledore saying.
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Next is the Antu, who's the god of the sun and one of the most important celestial entities. He brings warmth and light and plays an important role in agriculture agriculture and the cycle of life.
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Makes sense. Yeah. He symbolizes. Those Greek men deal with that too. Like Persephone and Hades and all that.
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And Gordo's back. so I know. He's just sitting beside me at least. We don't even have a fourth fourth wall. We just leave it open. It's a fourth window.
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Antu symbolizes strength and wisdom and leadership and men maintains order among the other spirits. And the Mapuchi view the sun as obviously a life-giving force.
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And Antu is often invoked in prayers ah for like protection and guidance. So very important. Just like I think the sun is the most important parts of like Aztec um culture and stuff as well.
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my Yeah. I feel like a lot of people have at least a sun god. Egyptian anyway. I can't name any other now. But you know. For sure.
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ah Next is Kayan or I want to say like Kyuyan. ah It's kind of spelled two different ways, but um it's just different spellings that they use for the same thing.
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It's not cayenne pepper. ok No. The Kuyun is the moon goddess and governs ah governs night, water, and fertility.
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Well, its opposition is Elki or Elchi and represents the earth and agriculture and together they embody the cycles of nature and the interconnectedness of life Oh, hell yeah. Because she's like, you're going to get wet in this stream and then you're going to pregnant. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to plow your fields.
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Together. That's exactly what that means. Baby.
Ancient Misconceptions on Procreation
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oh Who knows? Because the folklore is like no less insane than the beliefs that we had before we understood how people came together to make a baby.
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Yeah, there's some interesting ones that I ran across on the site and I was like, okay, I can't even follow this anymore. and oh really? stories? A couple of them that they had...
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um yeah was like this is too much i like as like as far back as don't know henry the eighth and how many wives he had thinking oh yeah if i just keep having more wives i won't be the problem it's like we did not understand and before that we were just like we know a man and a woman come together and then a baby comes but we think it must be all the sperm.
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Or like, they just didn't get how it had to be both. You know? Yeah. Very long time. Like, science come a long way. It's so crazy for times we're living now.
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Um...
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next is is the um this also had two different spellings there's like uh almost like koi koi vilu um or kk vilu ah i think i went with kk it was like Just well more often, that's the one I saw.
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yeah Tren Tren Bilu. So those are like the next two kind of opposing forces.
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i um So one of the most significant myths in Mapuche tradition involves two great serpents. The first one is the KK Bilu.
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And KK means related to water. And Bilu means snake. So this is the KKVLU is the water snake and the god of water, ruler of the sea and all sea dwellers.
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long as you don't start going by the KK Kelsey, because that'll abbreviate very badly. No, this is like CAI.
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CAI. so Oh, yeah. Like Turks and Caicos. Yeah. yeah I get it. Also, I saw someone on their registration today at my work. I was like, you spelled Kelsey with one E. What's up with that?
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Oh, yeah. It looks strange to my eye. But I'm sure it's fine. Anyone that's out there at but I've seen S-Y, I've seen S-I-E, I've seen S-E-A, I've seen S-E-E. those last two. I've seen a lot. Oh Those are gonna, yeah there's a subreddit called ah Tragedy, but it's spelled like, um you know how Lee is spelled like Lay kind of sometimes? but Yeah. Yeah.
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It's like the Irish or whatever. It's all of that. It's all the, let's pronounce all these silent letters and how will this baby name look? And you're like, you just named your baby Anal Fisting and you thought it was cool.
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No, it's just bad though. Damn. Yeah. That's awful. Oh, you'll hear you'll hear Amanda reference it when you listen to Wine Crime. If she says, oh, that name is a tragedy. day That's what she's talking about.
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A subreddit.
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Names are spelled in a tragedy way. Yeah, it's okay. We just don't want people to name their kids like cunnilingus. I don't know. There's baby names that are banned, okay? That's all I'm saying.
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Yeah, and they should be. Exactly, for good reason.
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how Yeah, so the KKVLU also represents chaos and destruction and can cause floods and disasters.
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And then its opposition is the Tren Tren VLU, which Tren Tren means related to the earth. Yeah. oh So they're the earth serpent and they protect humanity.
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are There's one story where they protected humanity by raising the land up and like changing how it was formed with its tail to prevent it from being submerged by the water from the other serpents.
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oh yeah they like moved moved the earth around to like create dams and that kind of stuff to like um control where the water went that's really cool but but yeah their eternal battle symbolizes the struggle between balance and destruction and reflects the mapuchi worldview of cosmic duality all of the duality and Did you watch, some sorry, that made me think of something, The White Lotus at all or no?
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No. Okay, yeah. No, there's just someone who's like, it's like we're Hope and he's tragedy or something. And what is this going to win? This girl says and I don't know. It's interesting. It's interesting. um Kind of how she's just like talking about that way about their like relationship.
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Yeah. like It's a um a battle. yeah Weird. Good show, though.
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I must say.
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um Next is... These are kind of more so like the... kind of creatures that I ran across on the site that I was like, oh damn, these are... ah Don't hear about these kind of ones oh all the time.
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The first one is Cherufi. Are we scared to be running across this guy? Or is he I would be. he's scary. His name sounds cute.
00:35:26
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Sounds like a cherub. Yeah. Like, what the hell? Charoofy. Charoofy? Like, with an F? Yeah. Yeah. Oh. I think I heard Charoo-B.
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No, Charoofy. and They're one of the nature elementals and is believed to inhabit the magma pools within Chilean volcanoes.
00:35:51
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Oh, shit. So it's like a volcano monster. With liquid hot magma, as Dr. Evil would say. It is
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No! ah ah It's responsible for vote con volcanic eruptions and earthquakes, and is it's feared for its ability to cause natural disasters And people often make offerings to it to keep it happy.
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Oh, damn. ah This creature is said to have formed in the earth's belly. And then it's like as old as the earth's belly and made of fire and stone with unfathomable power.
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That's really hard to say. Unfathomable. It cannot be fathomable. I am a legion. I'm without fathom.
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So the hollow earth. No. Okay. He's bold as shit. He's in the earth. Yeah. So he made me think of um the picture they had was basically like a, I don't know, like a lava kind of rock monster, but it really looked like, um,
00:37:09
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What's the rock from ah Fantastic Four? Like, what's that character's name? He's... um both Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the... um Fuck. No, when you said it, I was like, no, no, I know what she's gonna Is it just, like, Thing? Is it the Thing? Shit. Like, what's his name? Are you gonna ask Pat?
00:37:30
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Yes. The Fantastic Four rock guy is the... The Thing? it the Thing? Yeah. Yeah. God, why does that seem, like, wrong? Because it makes me think of that horror movie.
00:37:42
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Thank you. Thank you, Marvel expert. Yes, it is The Thing. Okay, I was right. no, you were right. And I kind of thought that too, but then I was like, is that just that horror movie?
00:37:56
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The shapeshifter thing. kept thinking of the Addams family, but I always think, like, Thing and Cousin It and everybody, and I was like, am I confusing things? But... I kind of think that, but instead of like... Yeah, the outside is kind of rocky, but underneath that would be like flowing lava, guess. Like underneath the surface, but the surface is kind of more stony. That's kind of what the pictures look like.
00:38:20
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Yeah, totally. That's what he sounds like. I can picture that for sure. Yeah. um Physically, it's described as a humanoid of huge proportions with a body of shifting magma and rock.
00:38:34
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Its eyes are said to be flames ah and have a constant stream of molten rock that's said to flow from its mouth. So just like, maaa.
00:38:45
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Bye. Bye. That cat like vomiting rainbow meme. Where it's like. no I was just going to say. its It's huge. Like my ego. Huge. huge Anyway I'm fine.
00:39:00
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Yeah like okay. Yeah he's totally vomiting. Nya and cat. Or whatever it's called. Yeah. ah It said that it can control other elements as well, including wind and water to some extent, um alrighty but not very well.
00:39:20
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And it is bound to its volcanic home and cannot go can't go too far um away from it for extended periods of time because it needs the heat and the pressure of the Earth's interior to maintain its form and its power.
00:39:38
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Well, hot damn.
Chilean Mythical Creatures: Cherufi
00:39:40
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oh He's not able to survive without the trope of his Earth score.
00:39:50
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And I did run across it said that if like volcanoes go dormant um and stuff, it will kind of like disappear, and then when it reawakens the volcano, then it'll come back.
00:40:06
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So... Oh, he's tied to it. Okay.
00:40:12
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ah Next, this one I thought you would get a kick out of because it scared me. um All I could see was the name and then the picture of it. And I was like, well, I need to click on that because that looks fucked up.
00:40:25
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Yeah. This is an acid dream. This is the Chon Chon. It's a... Yeah, I never heard of her. ah It's a shapeshifter known to transform from a human into a large flying head with feathers.
00:40:48
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no. Oh no. Okay, yeah. i No, I don't know that one, I don't think, but I feel like the flying head thing came up in some other Latin folklore where I was like, why do they think that all witches just turn into like a big giant head or something?
00:41:07
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Yeah, this is like kind of creepy. ah It's capable of evil magic and embodies evil and darkness, often appearing at night to perform malevolent acts.
00:41:20
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In the sky, like dark mark?
00:41:25
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Seriously. It's feared by humans and considered an omen of evil and encounters with the creature may result in misfortune or death.
00:41:37
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ah It's said to originate from the darker dimensions of human sorcery and ancestral knowledge. Oh, Gordo just went, ah. Ah.
00:41:50
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He just had a little kitty snore, but his eyes are still open. don't think catch that um i that.
00:42:03
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In this story, a human, often a powerful sorcerer, undergoes a revolting transformation, ah chanting these words in order to sever their head from their body, but instead the head sprouts feathers and grants...
00:42:20
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which granted the ability to fly and then it like flies away head just flies away ah way oh uh one tale tells of a shaman who uncovered the secret incantations to summon the chon chon ah He chanted the words aloud. thats
00:42:45
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Chon-chon! That's how we call rain for supper. Rain! Supper!
00:42:52
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He chanted the words aloud in his hut, and instead of summoning the creature, his head, too, detached from his body, sprouted feathers, and flew away while screeching into the night.
00:43:05
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So he didn't so much summon the creature as become one himself. What happens to the police? They just fall down.
00:43:15
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So, I do have that a little later on. ah The chon-chon has many abilities, allowing it to perform acts of great evil, ah including curses that can rot the soil and hexes that can corrupt the mind.
00:43:33
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And stories passed down suggest that the creature cannot bear the sound of sacred hymns, ah or chance and that these are believed to disrupt its powers and force it back into a human form because it it like looks human and then it transforms into the head thing right um it did say that you can reverse yeah i did say that you can reverse your transformation into a chon chon um
00:44:05
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And to do that, before dawn, the sorcerer must chant the incantations in reverse ah in order to reattach their head to their body before the first light of the morning, or they will remain a chan-chan forever.
Tale of the Chon
00:44:19
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Oh no, it's like the Animorphs. You can't stay in the animal too long. I think it's just the first day. Like you literally have, because you do it at night.
00:44:30
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And then if before the sun rises, you haven't fixed it, you're done. Like you just have the first night to fix it. um So that the Chan Chan serves as a cautionary fable.
00:44:45
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Warning of the perils of dabbling in powers better left untouched. Oh. God damn it. We're just too curious for that.
00:44:59
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Right? Yeah. I'll put the... I should have taken the pictures off the site because they had some good ones for those too. um They looked very creepy and they also had some other creatures that looked kind of interesting.
00:45:13
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oh so many i saw on the one website i think it was but yeah sorry oh cool um the last thing i wanted to talk about ah which i thought was kind of nice and i think you find quite often in like indigenous groups is like, I know we have it in like, uh, here in Canada, we call it like two spirit, um, kind of thing. And that's people that don't necessarily identify as like male or female.
00:45:54
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um right. And kind of like a specific to an indigenous tribes. Yeah. Um, like way of thinking of it. Right. Yeah, I've heard of this. yeah um And on Wikipedia they had like a little thing which is how I ran into it in the first place and then I found a nice like article that was talking about like a recent kind of study they did on um the Mapuche people which I wanted to talk about was kind of cool um so from Wikipedia they had it assigned as like co-gender views
00:46:33
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um and they said among the Mapuche in ah Chile they have the female machi which are the um female shaman shamanesses that's so hard to say shamanesses and I once you've got female on it why do we have to add the s's on it like princess yeah to me shamanesses say female shaman i'll know what you mean I won't think you're being like a broski being like the way females think, you know?
00:47:09
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I get it. Yeah. So they can have female machi and then male machi. um But they also have male machi Y, think you'd say, shamans who are actually male machi shamans who wear female clothing.
00:47:29
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um and nobody drinks matcha because I hate matcha this is matchy alright fair enough if like mochi matcha matchy I don't know yeah I don't even know how it's spelled I'm just like I'm gonna forget all of this if I have to go and do the show notes I'm gonna be like Kelsey how the hell do you spell what you can Like, yeah, what the fuck were you talking about? How do you how do you spell it? Machi is M-A-C-H-I. Machi?
00:48:09
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Like mochi, but with an A. um Yeah. Okay, wait. Okay. ah So the machi Y, so the...
00:48:23
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ones that were the female clothing were first described by the Spanish who like had contact with them back 1673 so all long ass time ago in a land far far away um
00:48:42
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And um obviously there was a lot of negative connotations coming from the Spanish that like encountered it and called them like deviants and all this stuff. I mean, take it with a grain of salt. But wanted to mention that they were documented at least going back to 1673.
00:49:00
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So it's not everybody likes to argue that people that are like transgender, people that aren't conforming to a gender or something new and... everything that's happened within the last i don't know 15 20 years like it's something that's come out of nowhere and it's obviously not so right learn some history trending is yeah yeah exactly like a trendy whatever um i know tried to give miss rowling a grain of salt when she wrote her first piece and everyone's like transphobic and i'm like
00:49:37
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Yeah, especially when you double down things like, oh, recent court rulings are amazing. Yeah, her doubling down and like, oh.
00:49:48
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I know. Because I've not been one to be like, every time I've mentioned this book, I have to like dump on the author. But then I'm like, oh, no. You just go make yourself look worse, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:03
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Um, yeah, so um, on the Wikipedia one, it said, among the Mapuchi, uh, quote, the spirits, um, so, like, the shamans invite spirits to kind of, like, possess their body type things, so these spirits are the ones that are, like, changing them from, like, male to female, um, based on what the spirit is, um, kind of is how I looked at it.
Gender Roles in Mapuche Shamanism
00:50:31
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Um, So it said, quote, the spirits are interested in machi's gender discourses and performances, not in the sex under the machi's clothes. So that's kind of what I got from that.
00:50:45
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um It also had another little thing later on that said, in attracting the filu, which is the possessing spirit, quote, both male and female machi become spiritual brides who seduce and call their filu.
00:51:02
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ah Oh, must have scored.
00:51:07
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and Yeah! No, no, I think we're under attack. No, I think... the oilers ah um and called her filu at once husband and master to possess their heads so like oh possess their minds i don't know yeah um so i didn't quite understand what wikipedia meant um but i did it find it does Right?
00:51:33
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And it was like this two little paragraph thing at like the very end of the Wikipedia page. And turn ah so I ended up finding some stuff.
00:51:46
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There was like this big study that the Natural History Museum actually did. Hmm. And this was where they took a look.
00:51:57
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It was like a limited series on some of the world's third gendered or gender indigenous people like around the world. um So they did like. on I think I saw like three different indigenous groups and the Mapuche people were one of them. um So I just went on to their page that they had about them.
00:52:19
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Okay. Maybe they did three different tribes or something. Sorry. Yeah. i think so. Yeah. And this was like, um like, I think one thing said that somebody had been studying them for like 15 years or something.
00:52:36
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So, yeah. um So for what the Natural History Museum had, it said the gender binary system that exists within many Western societies is far from a universal concept.
00:52:50
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In fact, numerous indigenous communities around the world do not conflate gender and sex. ah Rather, they recognize ah third or more genders within their societies.
00:53:02
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And individuals that identify as ah third gender many times have visible and socially recognizable positions within their societies and are sometimes thought to have unique or supernatural power that they can access because of their gender identity.
00:53:20
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Interesting. Yeah. that um I know that people that identify like within Canada as Two-Spirit are often like revered within the community. Like it's something um that's like sacred and like you're kind of viewed at like a higher level.
00:53:39
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um place in society interesting though yeah it reminds me of the sort of i don't read a lot of quote-unquote books that could be viewed as like necessarily new age or self-helpy but like i do go back to the celestine prophecy a lot because it just has a lot of good like it's like it's but a guy on an adventure to almost find like the 10 spiritual commandments or something you know it's kind of like just got some good stuff in it like you know old growth forests have like wonderful energy and let's connect to that instead of stealing energy from each other when we talk to each other and like don't know very cool shit like that I'm like oh and they're like I don't know I don't that kind of reminded me of of that and um
00:54:33
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and now I'm kind of losing my train of thought so but like don't know something about the energy and the oh cause you like the connecting to both like the masculine and the ah feminine energy that like you possess like is kind of very important I don't know so I think it was something like that made me think of it very cool yeah um yeah I'll see I might not read all of what it had but I liked this beginning part.
00:55:04
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um It continued saying, however as european influence and westernized ideologies began to bread and where in many cases or sorry and were in many cases forced upon indigenous societies third genders diminish along with so many other inangerness cultural traditions ah Nevertheless, the cultural belief and acceptance of genders beyond a binary system still exist in traditional societies around the world.
00:55:33
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And in many cases, these third gender individuals represent continuing cultural traditions and maintain aspects of cultural identity within their communities. um
00:55:47
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Yeah. Then it had like... This because I hadn't really thought of this before, but um it said that within a Western and Christian ideological framework, individuals who identify as a third gender are often thought of as part of the LGBTQ community.
00:56:08
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But this classification actually distorts the concept of a third gender and reflects a culture that historically recognizes only two genders based on a sex assigned at birth, male or female.
00:56:22
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And anyone acting outside the cultural norms of their sex may be classified as homosexual, genderqueer, or transgender, among other classifications. Right, because if you were, like, identified as both genders, then...
00:56:35
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You can't be like, oh, I like the same sex or same gender because you identify as both. So you wouldn't be like, a woman who just only likes women. You know, like, you're like, no, I'm just more like a pansexual sort of thing.
00:56:51
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i think they're therere more saying that, um like, the third gender thing is more like, Not what you're attracted to, but what you identify as.
00:57:04
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Right. So often when people, like, I know in the US, it's most often just, like, LGBTQ. But I know here in Canada, we most often now, like, are, like, LGBTQ.
00:57:19
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qia two plus or like two spirit because that's what i've seen yeah so that's weird even if they even if you shorten it because you don't like can't remember all the acronym which is part of what makes it hard when they make it kind of clunky like that but yeah I think i i get what saying. I think that's what this is saying, that it should be more separate because if you're like lumping them in with like lesbian, gay, like bisexual, transgender, queer, that's not really what that means. Where like in Canada, we have like the two plus, which is the two spirit we have um yeah for like indigenous in Canada, which I i thought was interesting. um It kind of made me understand why that was like added more so than I would have before.
00:58:05
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um And I'm just trying to like kind of think, yeah, maybe I'm not understanding it correctly. Like it's less about... who you love in relation to whether or not you identify as the same gender or a different one, but it's more just about who you are that you yeah can love whoever you want or whatever. Because they didn't really think it in terms of, like, gay and straight, like, ah a lot of times back then, you know? Yeah, they did have another thing. It said, in societies that recognize that their gender...
00:58:40
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the gender classification is not based on sexual identity, but rather on gender identity and spirituality, and that individuals who identify with a identify with a cultural third gender are in fact acting within their gender or sex norm.
00:58:57
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Okay, because like gender and identity and sexual identity are different is what they're kind of yeah so like lumping the third gender or like people that are two-spirit um together with like um the different sexual identities doesn't necessarily make sense queer community right yeah okay um then they had like a nice thing sort of think about sometimes but like i think i get that yeah but then they had like a nice person doesn't have to be tied up in like who you're sexually attracted to i guess yeah yeah because like people can be like trans and that's what they identify as but that doesn't necessarily like they can be trans and then also be gay or they can be trans and be straight but that doesn't really affect
00:59:55
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like who they are right yeah and you don't have to put yourself even into almost a specific category like that yeah which is yeah it can be a tough concept to like wrap your head around because we yeah that's why like this how like yeah like the natural history one had more information and I liked that they like talked about that and then they talked about the acronym and how that's not necessarily like okay to classify them as part of that group and I was like okay like that's interesting um and then they did have little bit thought they seemed to lump that in with the acronym the two-spirit they were like yeah here in Canada we've added it but like I think in other places around the world it's still like yeah probably just under the classification is like queer or something
01:00:52
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But, yeah.
Indigenous Third Genders
01:00:54
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Yeah, I think we just need to keep it a little simple because the problem is the people that care enough to keep it, you know, like, really accurate is not always the people that we need to reach about it. Ugh.
01:01:10
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Yeah. It's... um yeah But they had just a bit more I wanted to. to um Yeah. Because this was more specific to the Mapuche people. um Because again, they have like the duality kind of thing. So this was talking about how some indigenous societies have.
01:01:28
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ah co-gendered individuals that take on the role of shaman or healer and that these individuals can go ah between earthly and spiritual worlds and in many cases can flow between genders um which is among the Mapuche people in southern Chile and adjacent areas in Argentina where ah Machi or shaman are considered religious authorities capable of balancing the Mapuche cosmos.
01:01:54
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ah the ah poo she or the The Machi gender is determined by their identity and spirituality, spirituality um not by sex assigned at birth, and this fluidity of gender is what provides them the ability to interact with the spiritual realm.
01:02:13
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um okay then it talked about like some different things that um mapuchi like has as kind of like um symbols type things so um i didn't want to get into all that but had a nice little thing um that said drawing on anthropologist anna marielle
01:02:41
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Oh my god. oh my god her fifteen years of field research ah shamans of the foi tree gender power and healing among the chilean ahpuchi is the first study to follow shaman's gender identities and performance in a variety of ritual social sexual and political context um And it said to Mapuche shamans or Machi, the foy tree is one of special importance not only for its medicinal qualities, but also because of its hermaphroditic flowers, which help reflect the gender shifting components of the Machi healing practices.
01:03:28
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So I was like, more information on that, please. But then there wasn't really. um so it was like, that reminds me of a Smashing Pumpkins lyric, I feel like. Maybe. Never mind.
01:03:41
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was like, that's interesting. So they have like a tree that also kind of shifts between um like genders. There's a few plants that do that, I feel like.
01:03:52
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, and species that have a more fluid Ability like chickens, I believe. You know, when they don't have like a rooster and stuff like that, they can things.
01:04:04
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And seahorses. Isn't it seahorses? it could be. Clownfish. I think clownfish also do it. Oh, really? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not familiar with those ones.
01:04:16
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He's looking for his his dad, but his dad is now his mom because the mom died. the dad became the mom. ah Wait, wasn't he with his... Oh, yeah. Well, he reunites with dad. what happened to his mom?
01:04:33
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but So the mom died right after she released the eggs. Yeah.
01:04:38
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ok so like i think before he was ever even born or something the mom died which if i'm remembering correctly means that his dad would have became his mom so he the whole time he should have been looking for his mom oh so he doesn't have a dad anymore details exactly i thought he remembered both parent fish no like they don't cover it they don't cover it in finding nemo but like in real clownfish that's what would have happened Oh, okay. They don't cover it in Finding Nemo.
01:05:10
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Just so I don't get all my sources from Finding Because that's too complex an early Disney movie. Or Pixar. That's all I can handle right now.
01:05:19
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But no, I was like, in our in our trying times where they're taking away ah people's rights and all that shit, I was like, i just wanted to remind people That what?
01:05:33
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That transgender people or people that are non-conforming have been around for hundreds of years. And some politicians can fuck off.
01:05:45
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Maybe open a history book. Maybe learn something about somewhere else in the world. That doesn't, I don't know, expand your worldview. like Yes.
01:05:57
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yeah It's sad when you have to prove your existence to people through algorithms that just want to fight your right to exist. Yeah.
01:06:10
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right but the rest of us are like uh yeah we we know we've seen the gay penguins wait what yeah this is yeah no no no nothing no it's interesting though it's very interesting Yeah. yeah We will have the... oh I'll get the pictures of the the creatures ah from the website because they were kind of fun.
01:06:39
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and I'll put that up. I should have done it so Alana could see them when I was telling them about them because they're kind of fun. Oh no, we're going to have some fun with the one where we try to figure out who's like the ugliest scripted in the print.
01:06:55
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is there There are some pictures! I found a good website where I was like, yeah, I love seeing a good artist rendition of like this crazy creature that I'm like, that looks insane. Yeah.
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01:08:00
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i was going to ask my friend at work who speaks spanish yeah just just so i know what how is this word pronounced nope did not do it good it's hard because even you do ask how would you remember i would not remember i was gonna ask yesterday right Yeah, it was like I listened to the the video on how to pronounce Mapuchi like 17 times, even though I had decided that that was probably how i was going to pronounce it. And every time it was like, yeah, so that was like exactly how I was going to pronounce it.
01:08:37
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And then 10 minutes later, I'd be like, wait, how is it pronounced? Just when I think you're done saying Mapuchi. Mapuchi. You hit me with it again.
01:08:48
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and No, I know. I was going to ask my friend Anna, like, you're from el Salvador. You speak so much of the Spanish. It's from you that I know it's El Drugas.
01:09:01
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Because some words are just literally... you know, sound like oh yeah drugs, L-drugas or whatever. oh yeah, that wasn't me 10 minutes before we started roy recording me Googling. um Is Spanish phonetic? Spanish considered a phonetic language?
01:09:21
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Can I just sound out these words? And they're like, it's sort of considered phonetic. I was like, okay, cool. So let's wing it. Ask the people that say, I would like a chicken vagina.
01:09:32
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yeah okay and oh
01:09:39
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oh yeah speaking of which because this one starts with a v and it has a j in it so that's why i didn't know if it was the velletos but that doesn't matter it's not the cryptid's name it's just a name for the word old folks oh no
01:10:00
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Okay, I am bringing to you the Duende, which is of Latin America, basically. oh He's all over the place.
01:10:12
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Okay, I don't know how to say that. So the...
Introduction to El Duende
01:10:14
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v a Nope. so The old folks in western Honduras, especially in Copan, Reunas, tell of a being called the El Duende, the goblin, one might say.
01:10:28
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o
01:10:31
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Dobby from Harry Potter? I hope so, but also apologize to all the Spanish speakers. the trolls from Green Gods?
01:10:43
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Yes.
01:10:45
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um Yeah. Not trigger warning, but content warning and language warning for the pronunciation for all the Spanish-y stuff.
01:10:56
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But the El Duende is referred to often as an evil being. Um, it is said that he's a little dark skinned man of very short stature, always dressed in an elegant green suit and always wearing a big hat or sombrero.
01:11:15
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Oh, he sounds like a leprechaun. you know what when i looked up el duende movies because i was trying to double check what movies have been made literally leprechaun came up with jennifer yes he is a spanish leprechaun you are correct yeah they're after me lucky charms oh it's so funny though like oh there's so many overlapping stories and so much lore oh yeah
01:11:47
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he short appearanceu he's a leprechaun oh it's the green suit that's right i did start out with that didn't i well there's a lot of different descriptions so you just wait there's some a little different but we'll see he's definitely usually very short um he or she speaking of ah ah gender and you know like non-binary and such like they say they can be male or female um but either way they're probably going be wearing like a large hat so there's often like a goblin like vibe yeah
01:12:33
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they might prank you move your boots put your bed on the roof get you lost just all those little pranks that everyone loves yeah
01:12:46
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um okay uh one story once l duende tried to persuade a boy to follow him into the woods while the boy's parents gathered food duende altered his appearance to look like a human child Left alone with only a dog to play with, the boy welcomed El Duende and readily played with him.
01:13:07
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Let's play horse, suggested El Duende. I'll be the horse and you be the rider. The boy got on his back and El Duende headed away from the house. The boy's dog suddenly growled and barked.
01:13:20
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Then the dog bit Eldwende in the behind. Oh no The goblin yelped and reverted to his natural form.
01:13:30
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form Shocked and scared, the boy raced back into his house and was more cautious of strangers in the future. Cautionary tale. And not getting on their back?
01:13:42
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Talking to hell. Fucking, uh, what they call them? D-gens? I'm never kidding. Not those D-gens from Ocomic Country.
01:13:54
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But like, as far as, yeah, you know, lore goes, he's kind of one of those creatures that's tricksy. He can be... bad or good he's a lot of places are like he's helping children other places they're like no what he's hurting them helping them get lost in the woods yeah it's mostly the lost in the woods he's tricksy um oh god don't even get me started even the the the etymology of the word a couple sources said that duende meant like a goblin others said maybe more like an elf
01:14:31
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ah yeah I was going say caution like still others if you just kind of search the word it's almost like I got some like travel websites.
01:14:43
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What?
01:14:46
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Yeah. I don't know if that word also means diabolical elves and getaways with wineries. It was it was weird.
01:15:00
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Interesting. God damn it. My Spanish was good. i think I got a 90 something in high school, but that was a long time ago. Y'all. I never took Spanish.
01:15:11
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Oh, it was fun. My high school didn't offer it. It was only in my middle school that they did. yeah Okay. Well, because they're big on French here, but I had gone to French immersion.
01:15:23
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So I don't know if I thought, oh, Spanish will be easy, you know? Yeah. We had French, we had German, and we had Japanese. That was our only option. Really?
01:15:34
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German and Japanese? I do not remember being an option for me. That sounds, like, exotic. Yeah.
01:15:45
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That's cool.
01:15:48
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good ass Alberta right I would have much rather learned like sign language like I regret not ever having the opportunity to take classes to learn sign language because I feel like that would be most beneficial oh yeah that's true like I a lot of ads for that now and stuff on like Instagram and then I'm also like yeah like obviously there's people that speak different languages that you come across when you work at different stores but like then I also came across deaf people and some of them were regulars and I was like gosh I kind of wish I knew a little bit more so we didn't have to do like whole like writing on a notepad kind of thing is usually how she
01:16:28
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or they got around i can't remember but yeah yeah at least at my job now it's like retail it's it's not too hard but yeah definitely with my last job like when you're trying to explain stuff and you're with the same person for like an hour it's a lot easier to communicate if there's different ways but oh yeah without the language barrier yeah yeah
01:16:59
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but oh yeah so the lore is a little tricksy as well um let's get into what some sources say according to this one they appear only to single women on remote roads and rural rural villages rural juror what i know what the fuck is their problem it just it just said that they lured that kid away But that's not a single woman.
01:17:30
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Makes no sense. Your story is is not consistent. Yes, yes, because there are some sources that say only kids can see us. And then they're like, but then we appear to single women. Only single lonely women in your area. Yes, fuck you.
01:17:47
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Single lonely women in your area can see us. Whatever. We're with a single man. Okay. Um, yes, this same source did say that they appeared underneath the nonce trees, which is a shrub native of Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Mexico, and Nicaragua.
01:18:08
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And it's related to the plant family Malpigiasias, which produces a delicious yellow fruit about the size of the fruit of a a coffee bean.
01:18:20
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yeah.
01:18:22
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Wow. The rest of my in brackets, because I had double brackets was or when women are alone in their houses.
01:18:33
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Coffee beans? Because. No, I'm kidding. Yeah. Appear only to single women. What am I saying? Coffee beans?
01:18:44
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Oh my God. Also, I can't thank you enough for being my gateway gal to getting me into Parks and Rec and The Office. And then I'm watching, I'm listening to Smartless Pod and they introduced me to Amy. Like they have Amy Poehler on and they're all laughing. You watch many of the episodes, you make all the references and you're like, you remember but you remember that? and i go, no that's true i did that earlier and you're like no don't i get it i have no memory it's so funny it's so funny you're like remember that trends remember that in seinfeld the office parks and rec this that good place no no like no
01:19:27
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ah You know what? The Office is... i Yeah, I've watched that lot of times. Get at me, Billie Eilish. Let's go. Let's do a trivia pursuit. I think I've watched the first couple seasons more than once, but I have not gotten further than that more than once.
01:19:43
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Hey, I've, like, quoted you being like, hey, if you can get through the first season of something, you know, it's cannot be not that bad. Yep. Ugh, okay.
01:19:55
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Sorry. Where are you feeling? Alright, um... Yeah, this guy... Okay, the lore gets a little weird.
01:20:07
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a little... It still stays a little heteronormative, let's say. With the duende or guys trying to get the girl. I don't know.
01:20:21
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um in one and yeah In this place, Copan, they are seen as promiscuous playboys or enamorado, which Amora love.
01:20:33
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And they might offer many gifts to girls or gays or babies or who knows. I'm just updating the... nomenclature but they're trying to lure you away so beware don't fall for it quote if a girl does not recognize the duende and accepts anything he offers her then she will remain enchanted by the evil powers of the duende
01:21:01
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know um yeah this was also a weird quote it is said that because of the tricks of the duende some girls have become mute and even mentally impaired what brain yeah is that is that why girl math I'm so tired of all the girl whatever girl math. Yes. girl Now now there's girl measuring things where you just measure something but you don't have a measuring tape.
01:21:30
Speaker
So you just like put if it's smaller than your finger you put your finger against the one side and then you mark it with like permanent marker and then you go to the store with your finger and you like see if you can measure shit.
01:21:41
Speaker
I'm like what are we doing. Are we insane? Okay, if gonna cut something in my house, yes. Finger measure it. But what the fuck? That's just an install thing. I was literally watching something.
01:21:55
Speaker
i don't even have TikTok. I don't know why this got recommended. But it literally Because you've Instagrammed another shit. It said finger measuring. And I watched a girl measure the depth of her drawers. So she could buy clear organizing containers.
01:22:10
Speaker
And she did it by putting her finger in. And then marking her finger. And then going to the store and putting her finger in different clear bins. To see which one was too deep to fit in her drawer. I was like, what is happening right now?
01:22:23
Speaker
like oh so there's nothing she marked. It was a depth. Yeah, it was a depth. Yeah, she literally like put her finger in the drawer and then drew a line. finger banged the drawer. Okay. Okay.
01:22:36
Speaker
And then drew a line about how deep it was. And then she went to the store and fingered everything.
01:22:47
Speaker
But I was like, why? That guy that on his last larceny was just putting shit up his kilt butt and then putting it back down again. What is wrong with you, sir?
01:22:58
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or Or I watched somebody that was like, I'm measuring my house for a new couch. And they were literally standing against the wall with their arms spread out and then like Mission Impossible style just like going and like rolling down the wall and like measuring it by telling how many times from their arm span they could do. And we're like, it's like two and a half arm spans.
01:23:18
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And I was like, How are you measuring your furniture this way to try and decorate your new house? Like, what are we doing? It's not medieval times. Like, measuring horses and hands just came because people didn't have measuring shit. But now we do.
01:23:37
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like this is insane it was so ridiculous i'm like oh my god i hate this the most because yeah girl dinner was basically charcuterie i i want to eat cheese and crackers for dinner too let's do yes but that's the least offensive of the ones that you could consider girl whatever Because I'm like, sometimes you just don't, that's just like, you just don't have wherewithal to cook a whole supper.
01:24:03
Speaker
And even with three people in our house. Sometimes you're broke and you don't have anything to combine for dinner. here yeah I'm gonna eat some cold cuts and cheese and a handful of grapes. Goddammit, don't want to make a dinner. ah don't care if have a child or not.
01:24:17
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yeah sometimes just like you hope someone else makes a balanced dinner but if not like what the fuck ever but you're not just like girl dinner like it's just so like demeaning and really it but i was like really now we're doing measurements we can't measure things properly and accurately now we yeah you can pick up a measuring tape girl like using your finger and like using how your arm span and being like it's two and a half arm spans we can fit our coach on this wall what am i even watching yeah i'm sorry you guys never made it hold on i have to measure this by arm yeah now you've gone backwards yeah now you're bringing back bringing us all down with you because
01:25:07
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I'm bringing caveman back. Yes. yeah um If the girls do not pay attention to the duende, then he chases them about.
01:25:18
Speaker
He throws little rocks to their windows at night and also throws cow dung on them. What? Okay, that came out of nowhere.
01:25:29
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But Kelsey, but Kelsey, answer your window. Cow don't know Now I throw a cow plop at you. Yeah, who has that laying around if you're not historic school? beyond your window breaks.
01:25:42
Speaker
Whatever. What plop shall fall upon your... Bam, cow down.
01:25:54
Speaker
my god.
01:25:57
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this sounds so weird. I know. And okay, some of the rest of it, i now I'm trying to remember where I got this one from because it did sound weird. Like like a weird, here's some advice for you internet dating kind of segment.
01:26:14
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Yeah. Well, some things say they only appear to girls and some things say they only appear to children. And then some, you know, it's like the trickster thing with like, well, sometimes they help the children. Well, no, they, they hinder them. And you're like, I don't know. just don't want to meet them in a forest. Like, yeah.
01:26:32
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Yeah. I don't want to get cow pooped. I don't want to test this theory out whether they're going to help me or not. yeah. um Right. So if some of the girls do not pay attention to the Duende, he chases them about.
01:26:48
Speaker
He throws little rocks to their windows and also throws cow dung on them. He's very mature.
01:26:59
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It is said that if the Duende appears to a girl, the best thing that she can do is remain calm to act in a friendly way. And when her Duende offers wealth to her, the girl must ask him to bring her something impossible.
01:27:13
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The most common thing is ask the Duende to bring a basket filled with water from a river. Yeah. As it is... What?
01:27:27
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A basket of water. A basket. Yeah. It's like there's a hole my bucket, dear Liza. like Yeah.
01:27:39
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It literally says, as it is impossible to fill a basket with water, then the duende will disappear due to the frustration, and he will never return to bother the girl who requests such a gift from him.
01:27:51
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End quote. Yeah. Very trickstery. Um, also apparently a man named Ivan Sanderson collected dozens of accounts from forestry department workers.
01:28:04
Speaker
Oh, I meant to ask mom when she worked for them. I felt like she at least cleaned their buildings, if not but worked for the forestry department, who, you know, you don't know what they do.
01:28:15
Speaker
They do forest stuff. Yeah. It's my dad's job. I was like, you're an engineer? Yep. A civil engineer? Okay. A surveying engineer? What that do? Has to do with maps? Okay.
01:28:27
Speaker
I feel like every time I feel like fucking Kelso on, and you know, that 70s show, he tries to understand what his dad does on this one episode. It just, like, makes me laugh.
01:28:39
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um Sorry. Yes, so apparently this guy, Sanderson, collected dozens of accounts from forestry department workers. One allegedly from a junior, sorry, junior forestry worker from 1961, who described in great detail two of these little creatures that he had suddenly noticed quietly watching him on several occasions.
01:29:04
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He's a woman. the maya mountain He's a single lonely woman ah alone at home or a child. why he's being watched. Wait, what? Because you said they only appear to single lonely women alone in their homes or children. oh my And now you just said that a man saw it.
01:29:23
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So. It's true. And the way that that shit kept coming up when I was doing the research was like, here's of this and here's a sighting. But then but only women.
01:29:36
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oh I know. It's so conflicting. oh Obviously, I'm a pedophile who's just trying to get out of these children.
01:29:45
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um Oh, yeah. So I kind of equated that they sort of look like a large spider monkey. Who's of the description? Well... Spider monkey?
01:29:58
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Well, okay. Various articles said they do live in the region, which is one thing. Spider monkeys are cute. That's true. Yeah.
01:30:10
Speaker
I don't disagree with you. Now I'm thinking of the ones from Madagascar, but that's the other ones. Finger monkeys. Probably finger monkeys. They're the ones that I always think look like spider monkeys. They're youre really cute and colorful. Who a stripy tail?
01:30:26
Speaker
Lemurs. Lemurs, thank you. Thank you very much for your monkey knowledge. Okay, um... No, from the description, they sort of looked like a large spider monkey, said one source.
01:30:40
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They were described to have heavy shoulders, like quote-unquote, large or long arms, brown hair, flat yellow faces, long hair down the back and the neck.
01:30:53
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I don't remember I said this. They are sometimes seen carrying or wearing a dried... palm leaf like most of the lore has them wearing some sort of sombrero or big hat which is is kind of cute they're like these little like garden gnomes I don't know yeah
01:31:18
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I was like less hat man like slender man and think more dwarves in a trench coat with a fedora that kind of situation yeah
01:31:30
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um
01:31:33
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They also may have some influence from the European routes that they might have got from the Spanish sailors. So, like, they would have come from the Iberian Peninsula, like Spain and Portugal, and then gone ball pirating and stuff all over. And the ah them and the other colonists, like, would have helped spread the legend into Latin America, which actually included...
01:31:57
Speaker
um because i was looking for stuff south america specifically but then it comes up like latin america so it can spread into like central american countries and then also like as far as the philippines and guam and i was like oh my god you spanish fuckers just like yeah they had their like fingers all over the place
01:32:21
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um And according to some legends, actually, this is according to I think here I got this from Astonishing Legends, which is a podcast that is well revered and I should listen to more often. But they said that their research said only children can see the Duendes.
El Duende in Folklore and Media
01:32:42
Speaker
Duendes. Then they kept spelling it wrong, now I'm going to say it wrong. um
01:32:49
Speaker
But this part reminded me of the Supernatural episode. They were like, if you get a little too drunk, you might be able to see them out of the corner of your eye. And i was like, there's one episode of Supernatural where they're fighting this like Japanese spirit, and like I remember Dean has to get like drunk before he can actually see it to fight it, because it's like invisible if he doesn't. And that's what that reminded me of. Oh.
01:33:11
Speaker
I know it's so specific. I do not remember that. It's... I don't think... I feel like it's very early on, but like... Oh, let me tell you. Pat just was re-watching some of season one and like... it it's It's funny because in later seasons they'll like um poke fun at themselves where they'll like talk about a season one episode and they're like... That shit is bad in your life, but to relive bad writing. Like, well you know, like they really poke fun at themselves, which it was fun funny, but...
01:33:42
Speaker
Yeah, they have one about the Wendigo, one about ah yeah crazy bugs. like To me, as a podcaster, I would not tackle the Wendigo in the first season because it's a touchy, spiritual, you know, very lore-driven subject. i don't know.
01:34:04
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We've learned some things doing our podcast, I guess. I would say we've come a long way.
01:34:12
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um shit What did I say? I don't think i have much more. ah no I do not.
01:34:20
Speaker
Their lore is kind of weird, though. Okay, what did I say? That they... oh yeah. they They may or may not harm your children. Yeah.
01:34:30
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um Because, like, okay, yeah, this is what I have as a quote. Unlike other folklore stories, they are often used to scare or frighten away children.
01:34:41
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Duendes were seen as protectors. If a child was ever afraid or lost, children were encouraged to call out to the Duendes for guidance. Although they can be both mischievous and kind towards children.
01:34:59
Speaker
Oh, but they could be both mischievous and kind towards adults with the flip of a switch. It seems like they were always kind towards children. Like, except when they're trying to lure them into the woods.
01:35:12
Speaker
was gonna say, was one of those lures where I kept getting conflicting information. but Yeah, that's like everything. yeah yeah they love children or they love children luring children in like they might be vampires i mean we just started watching that one from where we're like these people come out at night they suck people dry and kill them crazily are they vampires or something like that like we just don't know i've heard of that that's the yeah show right yeah
01:35:46
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It almost feels, yes, it's a show that, it almost feels like Lost 2.0, because I was thinking the one guy is from Lost, and they're in a mysterious place, and they don't know what's happening to them, and people are getting killed, and yeah, very, very cool, interesting premise, for sure.
01:36:09
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Oh yeah. So just to finish creeping you out with these guys, they, um, sometimes choose to take up residence in your residence. Like if you have kids, they want to come live in their bedroom walls and stuff like that. That was the creepiest thing about these guys that I learned.
01:36:35
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Oh, they said, try to respect them as long as you leave out a little treat at the end of the day and appreciate them, they'll continue to help you. One of the best ways to do that is to offer them the first bite of your food every meal.
01:36:48
Speaker
That may seem a bit difficult, given your penchant for invisibility, but simply throw the bite over your shoulder and they'll get the sign of respect. Ew, no. That's like one surefire way to get mice in your house.
01:37:03
Speaker
Or for me, my my dog is just gonna eat... and My dog's gonna eat up anyway. Yeah. Yeah, other than that, I think they had a couple more tip or like descriptions.
01:37:16
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These Duende may be wearing animal clothing, like like a Dobby situation. hi Hi, Gordo. um And they may live in caves.
01:37:31
Speaker
Hi, baby. You want a hug? Sorry, his meow is just so pathetic. Oh, he normally hates hugs. This is a nice hug.
01:37:45
Speaker
Oh, until he's going to be the center of attention. I'm not surprised. Kitty cats. Oh, now he's just laying back down in my arms. Hmm.
01:37:56
Speaker
Don't you believe the one podcast I listened to, she has, um, guinea pigs and a, uh, she has an actual pig named Petal. Aw, cute.
01:38:07
Speaker
I know, it's kind of like when people are like, oh, we'll buy one, it'll be a pot-bellied pig. You're like, no, you are getting a pig, sir. They're fucking huge. You just buy them.
01:38:18
Speaker
Yeah. No, you gotta, okay, he's he a pretty good guy when he wants to be. Um,
01:38:27
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Okay. um Oh, yeah. So, with these duendes, if you throw them a bite your meal over your shoulder, you're probably okay. Because they're going to see that sign of respect and leave you alone for a while.
01:38:41
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Just so you know. Nice. They may also wear animal skin clothing. I'm also picturing Dobby. God, excuse me.
01:38:55
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They also may live in caves or forests or the walls of your child's bedroom, which is probably the worst.
01:39:04
Speaker
Yeah, no thanks. Yeah, don't do that. Please don't do that. I don't know how to get them out. They have some generic advice, which we'll get to because they may appear with a beard or a cane or missing some phalanges, as in some thumbs up, anyone?
01:39:24
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Um, yeah, for some reason they might not have thumbs. According to some folklore.
01:39:32
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The Central American country of Belize, it said, particularly amongst the country's African island kibb Caribbean, yeah, descended Creole and Garifuna populations, duendes are thought of as forever spirits called tata duende who lack thumbs.
01:39:52
Speaker
They have hands, but they don't thumbs. Which seems even weirder than, like, The Simpsons or something.
01:40:02
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But this has been documented on a few places, which is weird. The Yakutek Maya of Belize and Southeast Mexico have duendes such as Alex and Nukuk's tat.
01:40:20
Speaker
Now I feel exactly as you did trying to sound these things out.
01:40:25
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yeah ah
01:40:29
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They are seen as guardian spirits of the forest. And in Belize, you can try to hide in your thumbs in the palms of your hands to trick them into thinking that you are a kindred spirit. you can just like, like, I don't have thumbs.
01:40:43
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Don't worry about me. i mean I'm one of you. I'm one of you. I do not have stars upon theirs. As Dr. Seuss would put it.
01:40:56
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In the Hispanic folklore of Mexico and the American Southwest, duendes are known as gnome-like creatures who live inside the walls of homes. There are gnomes in homes.
01:41:08
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Especially in the bedroom walls of young children. oh They attempt to clip the toenails of unkempt children off to leading to the mistaken removal of entire toes.
01:41:24
Speaker
Nope. Thank you, Wikipedia. That was the one place I found that i was like, that is, yeah, I thought that would get a reaction. why Why do you have to clip my toenails?
01:41:37
Speaker
Bringing back nightmares I had still to this day. Oh, no. Where my mom said that my- The torso woman? No. Sorry.
01:41:52
Speaker
My brother wouldn't let my mom cut his toenails when he was a young kid. So she would wait until he went to sleep. No! She would clip his toenails while his while he was sleeping. Like she'd turn the blankets up from the bottom and then like clip his toenails.
01:42:13
Speaker
nightmares it does sound like a horror movie and some sort of way like i hate people touching my feet but the thought of somebody touching my feet while i'm sleeping yes it's bad anything in your sleep is a violation I saw thing on Reddit earlier that was like, am I overreacting? My friend gave me a bunch of hickeys after I fell asleep. You're like, you took sleep pills and you know, you were having maybe hooking up before that, but you said, don't give me hickeys. And she gave you hickeys in your sleep.
01:42:52
Speaker
Yeah, bud. I think you've been violated. Like even poor, like some guys don't know. but They've been harassed. Anyway, sorry. That took a turn. I apologize.
01:43:05
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Now I'm gonna go to sleep and dream about people touching my feet.
01:43:12
Speaker
Look, Gordo's up in arms. He's ready to protect you. I can see him. I know, he's like swishing his face into the mic. I was like, was that making a sound? Did guys hear that? Baby. ah Not this time. I did not hear him purring.
01:43:27
Speaker
Gotta keep your little face away from you. No, but I had a half a paragraph. Oh, right. The unkempt toenails. I forgot.
01:43:41
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What did that make me leave off on?
01:43:46
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Oh, the mistaken removal of entire toes. This is the Mexico and American Southwest folklore.
01:43:56
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Sorry, let me just frighten you some more. Belief in Duende still exists among the Mixtex and Zapotex of Oaxaca.
01:44:06
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And it is said that they are the most commonly found in the mossy cloud forests of the state's mountain ranges. um They appear in folklore and some books and other media such as Disney's show...
01:44:21
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Ilana of Alvador, who had an episode dedicated to the Duende. i feel like this is a Disney show like Sophia the First about the princess.
01:44:33
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Never heard of this. Me neither.
01:44:38
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don't even know what I'm saying right, but... um Also, there was the El Duende Satiro, which was a movie from 2016 about Palmyra, a teenager who is about to become an adult, leads a blissful life in her serene village.
01:44:54
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Things take a turn for the unexpected after satyr comes into the picture. So that was an interesting interpretation.
01:45:07
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Much like I think most of these are. And then finally, finally, there was the movie El Duende from 2019. The film tells the story of a girl who arrives in the city.
01:45:18
Speaker
What? Sorry. I just said, wow. I know. Who arrives in the city with her young son and must take care of an old house where an elf lives.
01:45:32
Speaker
Elf on the shelf. Talk about shelf on an elf. No, I saw that somewhere.
01:45:38
Speaker
One day the child disappears mysteriously, which will motivate his mother to do the impossible to recover it. And then it underlined Eric Cortez Alvarez because that's the filmmaker, I guess.
01:45:52
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And apparently I copied and pasted his name as well. Good job, Eric.
01:45:59
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Eric with a CK. You did it.
Pet Gordo's Behavior
01:46:05
Speaker
And that's all I have. But that was home it was a fun dive. I got to tell you. I enjoyed every minute of it. Gorda. I was just saying is Gorda going to bed because he is just like looking like he's about to be breastfed.
01:46:21
Speaker
He's like I am too tired. It's like his head was blocking the mic. I couldn't even see it. Buddy.
01:46:31
Speaker
Who cares, Gordo? We're going to make you listen to it later like ah the Wine and Crime gals and their one-star review that said, this must be played in Guantanamo bay
01:46:46
Speaker
That's what we'll do. We'll get hated and then we'll get revered. Oh my god! He just like looked at me so hard after I said that. Okay, bye!
01:46:57
Speaker
He's like, you guys are done. um or I'm done now. Did you see that look he gave me? No. he mistake right and don't know.
01:47:08
Speaker
You're talking to me! Oh, totally.
01:47:14
Speaker
What are we? Gotta to let the people know what we're talking about next week. What is it? Do you remember? ah nope i don't have my list anymore oh shit um we're gonna call this like body in a bag sort of crimes that was the sort of theme cat cat cat hair death by cat hair that's we're gonna cover next takes kelsey down
01:47:49
Speaker
um ah five minutes trying to get it was stuck in between my teeth oh god it gets like hairs get stuck in my glasses and sometimes they're my own hairs and then they get like cut off you know what i mean they get broken from my glasses and i'm all mad so i'm like that was my only hair man don't fuck with me so gordo be good And I'll tell Fenrir as well because I don't know where he went, but he already
Closing Remarks and Call to Action
01:48:22
Speaker
left. So, goodnight. Say goodnight to your pets. Keep them spayed and neutered and keep it cryptic from Bob Barker.
01:48:32
Speaker
What? From Bob Barker? Yeah, man. The Price is Right guy. That's what he always says yeah when he ended his... it cryptic? Well, no. He said keep your pets spayed and neutered.
01:48:46
Speaker
Ha ha ha. oh To be fair. I was like, what? If we're being specific.
01:48:54
Speaker
i don't know. It's time to shut me off. I'm so sorry. everybody. Bye. Bye.
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