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185: Nearly Dead...or Not
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You only live once, you know what they say! Or do you? For some people's stories, it's not so clear.
In Kelsey's case, a woman puts the "awake" back in, well, a wake. The Legend of Margorie McCall, or the Lady with the Ring, is steeped in mystery as only a story from the 1700's can be. From body-snatchers to romantic doctors to dramatic jump-scare surprises, it really runs the gamut. Don't miss it and don't mess with the Lady of the Ring!
We time-travel forward to 1990 for the British Airways accident of Flight 5390. Also dramatic, and dramatized by TV, this hits a bit different, as the kids say. An unexpected decompression in the cockpit causes chaos. One crew member takes the joke, "I'll just sit on the wing", a little too seriously, and everybody scrambles to save the rest of the plane and him. It ends with a shocking twist, if we do say so ourselves! and we do! hope you enjoy!
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Setup
00:00:01
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Gordo is Gordo 3, 2 He's on the chair oh he is on the chair He's loafing Darkcast Network Indie Pods with a dark side Woo
00:00:38
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ah Welcome to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm your host, Alanna. And I'm Kelsey. And we are back for what I think is episode 185. Man, we're still alive.
00:00:54
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what have. lot
00:00:58
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I know, I have to look for confirmation.
00:01:02
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oh my god. Yeah. No, we just got done picking picking some episodes, so that's when it gets a little confusing. Yeah, when you're like numbering out a couple episodes from now, and then you're like, wait, what are we doing today?
00:01:16
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When does this come out? Yeah, and then what are we doing for Patreon? Which... is a subtle plug to go check out the latest Patreon post, which now has our battlefields plus our bonus battlefield, the Battle of Killie Cranky.
00:01:31
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Yes. A very fun episode. Yeah, that was fun. I was like, I was like, and a ghost story. We've got a creepy little girl. I'm doing like the description and everything. I'm like, and a ghost story that seemed oddly erotic.
00:01:47
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I was like, think ghost thighs and sweaty guys. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah The ghosts were very sweaty, don't you remember? You commented on it.
00:01:58
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Sweaty elbows and I don't know why it was elbows. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was something about a sweaty elbow too. Oh god, it could have been. It's a good point for sweat to drip off of. I don't know. No, it was what a Scottish ghost. sensual joint. An elbow.
00:02:19
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The most sensual of joints. Yes. Almost up there with your knee pit.
00:02:28
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In between your toes. Ooh. That just sounds like we're naming places you can shoot yourself up. Jesus,
00:02:40
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Yeah. Wow. oh No, I'm okay. Okay.
00:02:48
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I was almost gonna like I was like oh should I do a fun fact and then I kind of mentioned to you which has nothing to do with any of this but that there's uh I just learned on from some video that there's different um tartans like not for just different clans like Frasier and I don't know Anderson and Mackenzie and whatever but like yeah Coca-Cola has a ah tartan and so does Christmas and the panda bears at the Edinburgh Zoo.
00:03:18
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It's just like, wait, what? That's like wild to me. think my favorite might have been theirs because they had one for Iron Brew, which is this disgustingly orange looking pop the type drink that they drink in Scotland.
00:03:33
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oh It's basically like, to me it looks like orange pop. I have not had it. yeah Disclaimer. But like, it's whole ad campaign sort of thing was that it's like iron brew you know it's for manly men because it's it's squeezed out of iron or like bullshit right like so it's beloved by the scottish culture um i know my brother likes orange pop i have not had it in a really long time yeah pat can do like the cream soda and stuff which i find too sugary
00:04:13
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Yeah, know. Give me some A&W root beer, though. That shit rocks. Yep, that's my favorite. A&W root beer all day long. Make us afloat, baby!
00:04:27
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i think they have that in America. We're the Barks, Bergs. Bergs root beer is also fantastic. Oh, wait, I know Barks. Barks has bite. Is there Berks, too?
00:04:39
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I thought so. Oh. No, no. Now I'm down a root beer tangent. I can't do this. would love to editing the last episode. It was funny, but I was also like, oh my God, i was getting on the tangents by the end of it.
00:04:53
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You're there and everywhere.
00:04:59
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That's okay. That's why I have Kelsey to rein me in when we make her tell her stories first. Um,
00:05:09
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And we got out most of our banter. Kelsey's car is having problems. My car is no longer having as many problems. Gordo is probably annoying her now.
00:05:19
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Because she keeps looking over her shoulder. Gordo! Hey. well He's crawling into the shelf. don't know why. Buddy.
00:05:29
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Into the shelf.
00:05:32
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Yeah. So we did a thing this episode where we, guess, talked about people that shoulda, woulda, coulda died, or maybe did die briefly.
Theme Introduction: Near-Death Experiences and Survival
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so mean Yeah.
00:05:45
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Some near-death experiences, some survival story-ish stuff, which... It's always interesting to me, whether it's like they died and they see a bright light and felt the most love in the world or someone hits their head and they live a whole other life and then they come out and they see a red lamp and they're like, oh my God, that wasn't even real. Like they're just, they can be crazy and bizarre and they really run the gamut. I don't know.
00:06:12
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It's a big well to draw from.
The Legend of Marjorie McCall
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Gordo, go do something else where you're getting locked out of the room.
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He's gonna get locked out of the room. That was his second chance.
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Three strikes, you're out. Yeah.
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Pardon me.
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Uh...
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I don't even know what you would classify mine as because i don't know much ah about
00:06:55
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like her side of things because this is quite old when this happened. So it's kind of a legend. Some people argue it didn't happen. that's fun because it's steeped in mystery, like most of history.
00:07:12
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ah Definitely, I'd say. Ooh. Okay. Yeah. That not sound familiar. No, it's the legend of Marjorie McCall.
00:07:25
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ah Spelled
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And it happened all the way back in, I believe, 1705. don't know. oh damn. Time ago. Very. Very.
00:07:46
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I love me the 18th century. Are you? Okay. Are we in Europe? Yes, we are in Lurgan.
00:08:01
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L-U-R-G-A-N. Oh, that's a name. Yeah, it's somewhere in Ireland because there's a a church of Ireland that gets mentioned.
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So. Okay. Yeah, the name does track very Irish. Marjorie McCann.
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McCall. Oh, shit. Sorry. ah Marjorie was married to a Dr. John McCall and they lived in Church Place in Lurgan.
00:08:37
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It's said that they were quite happy together. Okay. Did you say church place? Yep. They lived in church place. He was Brown of Priest Hill.
00:08:50
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Nope, that was the Patreon.
00:08:55
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Oh my god. I'm a land of Alberta. Yeah.
00:09:03
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So stupid.
00:09:06
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uh yeah there isn't a lot of information about this one but marjorie fell ill with a fever and i guess the fever was really bad and they didn't know what was causing it and she passed away in 1705 oh five ah wow so pretty quickly she just bit the dust yeah some some things uh I don't like how much you're laughing.
00:09:35
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so I'm just saying because something said that she was born in 1705 and then died in 1705, but had been married and had kids. And I was like, yes, and she was one years old.
00:09:45
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right cool uh they're the record keeping on the births and deaths of the the women kind were not as uh robust i was like oh born died mother and mother and wife happening ah yeah am But it was said, according to legend, that Marjorie was buried in the Shankill Church of Island Cemetery, which was near their home in Church Place.
00:10:23
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and love these names. Shankill. Shankill. Yeah. right It doesn't have an H, it's just Shankill. Like, K-I-L-L.
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Shankill.
00:10:40
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yeah they would never pronounce the h anyway
00:10:47
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and it was said that during her wake that they had multiple people attempted to remove her gold wedding ring from her finger she's married to a doctor after all gotta be worth money oh god you drunken irish bastards oh
00:11:09
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It said that it was maybe to try and prevent a grave robbery from happening if she was buried with it. Or for the person maybe like keeping it to themselves to try and sell.
00:11:21
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Okay.
00:11:25
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Wow. But everybody who tried, and I did read one thing that said even the husband, John, tried to remove her ring. Well, that I could see. Like, that's legit. Yeah. if he It said everybody was unable to remove it as her finger had swollen since her death.
00:11:45
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yeah. Yeah. Well, like, okay, yeah. You should probably make that decision right away that if you really want to keep it, i don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:57
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ah One of the sources said, quote, after the wake, which was traditionally an attempt to avoid premature burial as the family deceased would sit and watch over the body for a few days to see if the person awakened.
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It totally couldn't hurt, right?
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If they've just had some sort of weird aneurysm or in a coma, like it's not going to hurt anything just to have them sit there for a day or two. oh I love this. Yeah, so they try and take her ring off. Nobody can.
00:12:29
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So then they bury her um because, again, she had like an unknown illness. So like after the wake and everything, you were afraid about the illness spreading two people. So they did bury her pretty quickly after the wake, I guess.
00:12:43
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Okay. a As I kind of mentioned, grave robberies, quite common in the 1700s. It was mostly to provide medical schools with cadavers.
00:12:56
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I feel like without you wouldn't be as a yeah is advanced ah in like medicine and stuff as we probably were by like the 1900s. I love books that deal with Victorian Arabic and grave robbing. and It's like wild what's happening. And you're like, oh, this was like medical students and stuff. like Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've read a few. And then like sometimes they just call them burkers after those Burke and Hare guys, which I think were from.
00:13:24
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Yeah. Scotland or London or yeah yeah and then like I'd read a book and they'd be like oh well we stripped them after we get them out of the grave because like you can be charged for carrying a body but I don't know I've heard I've heard a few different reasons why they would strip them like I think one of them was like if they're naked and just you look like you maybe you're just carrying your drunk friend home they can't prove that there's any like grave dirt on them or that they've been buried or whatever because you like them out and Get out, there's a fly!
00:13:56
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ah Yeah, so like there people definitely knew their little loopholes to get around the law. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. ah So with these kind of things happening, the news of Marjorie's death spread, since she had been married to a doctor, news of that gold wedding ring that she was buried with also spread.
00:14:20
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Oh god, how poor is this town? Jesus. no It's really shitty. And they're like, oh, you dig up that corpse, she might even have one gold ring.
00:14:35
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Shortly after her burial, some stuff even said that night, a pair of grave robbers dug up Marjorie's remains. Seriously.
00:14:46
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Wow. yeah Have you no shame.
00:14:52
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Working into the night, they removed the dirt until they reached her coffin. They opened it, and true to the rumors, there sat that nice shiny gold wedding ring still on her finger.
00:15:04
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It's just like, the whole digging up for one piece of jewelry is a lot to me that I've not heard of. Well, there're on they are like planning to take Marjorie's body and donate it medical school. so and Oh, that's right.
00:15:22
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They're snatching the body as well. You did say that. You're right. Yeah. Sorry. But first, before that happened, they wanted to remove the ring for themselves. And after all, since she was dead, what harm was it for them to pull a blade and start cutting off her finger?
00:15:41
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Yes, that's usually how they do it. They just hack off the finger. oh my God. like after a battle. Creepy little girl going around with her basket, hacking on people's fingers.
00:15:57
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Oh my god. As soon as they started, however, Marjorie sat bolt upright, awoken from a coma-like state she had been in for days at that point.
00:16:09
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And eyes wide, she just began screaming at them. Oh my god, how far? terrifying i'm so sorry but right yeah jesus just like try and cut off my finger like i cannot even begin to imagine how that would be ah there's a couple versions of the legend one version of it is that one of the robbers dropped dead on the spot out of fright and that and the other one must have run away and then the other version is that they both made a run for their lives and then like thought on their poor life choices and swore never to grave rob again it's like oh cool sure wow
00:17:02
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The moral of the story. Yes. Don't grave rob? Yeah, that set them to rights. I mean, yes, it is wrong.
00:17:14
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Like, i would not want my corpse to be desecrated, but this is just kind of hilarious. It's a little hysterical, you have to admit. Yeah. Like, they shit their pants and...
00:17:27
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oh And then maybe she went on to live a life.
Historical Record-Keeping and Legends
00:17:30
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Oh, totally. I almost did when someone i was going up the stairs at my work and there had been no one, like it's a ah key card type of you know, that sort of thing. So I push open the door and I'm going up this stairwell.
00:17:44
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And then, like, I don't know, i oh had my earphone in, so I was kind of listening, but I didn't really hear anything, like, anyone come out of the office door behind me or the bathroom door or anything, which I would have heard. And then, like, I just, like, got a feeling and looked And there was girl, like, right behind me. And I was like, I was supposed to be like, where the hell did you come from? Because, like, she must have come out of the bathroom or so because there was no one in the hallway when I went in that door. And so there's no way I would not have seen her. And then I...
00:18:11
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like oh my god and she had been yawning she was like oh sorry i just have these shoes not that are very quiet and i was yeah i did not hear you at all creepy it's just like ah almost got the feeling like i was yeah the door was gonna slam in someone's face and look back and yeah there's someone there or it's like whoa yeah where'd you come from oh my god scared the crap out of me
00:18:40
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Uh, yeah, so Marjorie, now alive again, ah must have crawled out of her grave and then said to have walked the short distance back to her house.
00:18:54
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Just walked home. I would just like to say that she realived herself just to combat the amount of people that say unalived themselves nowadays due to like YouTube fucking bans and shit.
00:19:09
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She's alive! Yeah. Oh my god. And then I think this lends like to the theory that this all happened the night of the wake or right after she was buried because reportedly at home her husband John and their kids were all still sitting surrounded by other relatives and stuff. They were kind of having a ah little like celebration talking about Marjorie, sharing stories and comforting each other about her passing.
00:19:44
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Oh my god. And she's staggering home? what?
00:19:53
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Covered in grave dirt. ah They heard three knocks at the door and John reportedly stated, quote, if your mother were still alive, I swear that was her knock.
00:20:05
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No! John got up and answered the door and standing on the other side was Marjorie, death dressed in her dirty burial clothes with blood dripping from her partially severed fingers.
00:20:19
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oh shit right the finger ah right and she's just like honey i'm home oh my god fuck this on ice yeah yeah i mean her husband's a doctor he could probably give her stitches can you save this finger oh my god did she still have the ring i need to know um no obviously the details are not there oh no she still would have had the ring because they couldn't cut all the way through her finger I mean, yeah.
00:20:53
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She was i not going to give that up. No. It rose her from the grave. What happened next is also kind of up for dispute.
00:21:04
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Most commonly it's said that John is said to immediately drop dead from shock. Just like apparently one of the grave robbers did. but He fainted to death.
00:21:16
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He fainted to death. Wow, he really shouldn't have been a doctor then if he can't stand the sight. Okay, I mean, I know it's the sight of blood and also that maybe his wife is a ghost or resurrected now, but still, he should have a stronger constitution. i'm just saying.
00:21:33
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Yeah. ah The family, obviously, all happy that Margaery is now alive, are now struck ah struck with the passing of John, who is then apparently buried in the plot.
00:21:47
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that Margaery had just crawled out of. So they like immediately just buried, apparently buried John where Margaery was just buried. We're like, oh, well we already paid for this grave.
00:21:59
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yeah That does kind of stink of urban legend vibes. Right? Yeah. Be careful. There's other theories that kind of, it didn't have, it had less details, but it kind of was like, oh yeah, um that John may have like,
00:22:16
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made Margaery ill and then because he was having an affair or something and then after she died and came back to life that she figured it all out or whatever and then they just like separated or something.
00:22:35
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ah Dang. mean I hope not. Seems like a tired trope that they always blame it on somebody cheating or something don't know right yeah I think I only ran into that once and then it was like one of the first sources I read and then I couldn't find that one again where it talked about that everything else said that he died from shock yeah seems almost like too poetic or something
00:23:07
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Yeah. ah What is commonly stated is that Marjorie goes on to remarry and have several more children. Really? Live a really longer, happier life. She may have also apparently been pregnant at the time of her quote-unquote first death by an unknown suitor. Right, because we don't know if she was one years old or 15 years old.
Moral Implications of Execution Methods
00:23:33
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ah I don't know. How did you not have been? She could have been a baby herself. knows? They did get betrothed at very young ages sometimes for royal's sake. Less than a year old.
00:23:47
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hu They're like, oh yeah, it's kind of like an arranged marriage. It'll be good. You'll love it. Yeah. Great.
00:23:58
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What I do think is funny. So when Marjorie died the second time, ah which all the sources said, when Marjorie finally died, was like, do you really need to say finally?
00:24:11
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Like you were wishing it upon her. i know. i know English is a funny language that makes it sound very negative. but Yeah. I was like, what do you mean finally died? Like, God, I can't wait to get rid of her. This bitch. She's alive again. Such a drama queen. She's fucking died. Yeah. Can't even just stay dead.
00:24:34
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Uh... Yeah, so when Marjorie died the second time, she was returned to the, maybe it's Shonkill? Maybe it's Shonkill graveyard.
00:24:44
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Oh, right. her gravestone, which is part of the reason i chose this story, it was inscribed with Marjorie McCall, lived once, died twice, which I thought was hilarious.
00:25:01
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Someone was like, perfect epitaph. Yeah. Yeah. um the only one Not this bitch. so You can find pictures ah of her like gravestone. It's still there in the cemetery, but there's no dates on it. and later That's literally all it says is just...
00:25:23
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Marjorie McCall lived once, died twice. um So I find that a little suspicious. Could be a sign of the times. like Yeah, maybe.
00:25:37
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People be sick and dying and not even in a place that's their home sometimes in those days. So yeah, don't So I don't know what year or she eventually did die at or anything like that.
00:25:52
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1705. It was all 1705. Yeah. She died twice, got married. She was born that year and died twice. It was a big year for her. 17 kids. I don't know.
00:26:05
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Yeah, it was a big year for her. All the things, all of her life events happened. Yeah.
00:26:12
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It did say that she's remembered by the townspeople of Lurgan, and they report to occasionally see her wandering the cemetery. Ooh. It's kind of cool. She kind of walks the area, I guess.
00:26:25
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ah would hang in the cemetery. think the rest of this was from...
00:26:33
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Oh, maybe this was like Irish Central. IrishCentral.com. Irish Central? No, I don't I think so, but there was a couple different sources I had that quoted this same guy. He's a historian, Jim Conway.
00:26:47
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me ah How much does Jim Conway?
00:26:53
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but don't know. There's an old joke. How much does a Tim Conway? It's stupid. Anyway.
00:27:03
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Dad jokes.
00:27:07
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Marjorie McCall was... Reputed to have lived once but died twice, as it says on her gravestone. Dang. This is the grave I have been asked many questions about, as there are a lot of people who are skeptical about the truth, whether the story is myth or not.
00:27:24
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And he goes on to say, I believe the story to be true based on my research. ah They found her body was warm and oh this is like I didn't find this in any other sources other than right after this quote that he did in the one article saying they found that her body was warm when the gravediggers dug it up and that there were scratch marks on the inside of the coffin.
00:27:47
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It seemed that Marjorie had been buried alive and had desperately tried to escape her coffin. But only like one source said that. um The rest kind of alluded to like that almost coma-like sleep that she was in. She was awoken from, like, the pain of them trying to cut off her finger.
00:28:07
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um That would seem to make more sense to me, anyway. That's what I thought. Yeah. yeah Just, like, yeah, if it's something that you do wake up from, sure, you could be warm and claw and stuff, but After they've been sitting out with you at a wake for two days, they haven't checked to see if you're warm then?
00:28:31
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like Yeah, like... i don't know. Something doesn't add up there. It makes more sense that, like, oh, yeah, when we actually went to cut into her or something. Yeah. ah This is part of the article as well. Parish records held in the Public Records Office record the deaths of nine Marjorie McCalls in Lurgan,
00:28:55
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three of whom were married to a John McCall.
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00:28:58
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ah No record is held of the death in 1705 of a Marjorie McCall, who was married to a John McCall.
00:29:06
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But Jim Conway explained how the records collapsed around that time due to famine. So it wasn't great record keeping. um so just because they have no records of...
00:29:19
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Like the death of a Marjorie McCall who was married to a John McCall in that year in that town um doesn't mean it didn't happen. but Yeah, that's for sure. Like we only recorded the most notable like people in history. Most of the time, white males.
00:29:37
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that Yeah. Like, yeah, you probably wouldn't get ah a birth or a death date or maybe even your proper name. You might just be Mrs. So-and-so so or whatever. It's like, oh God. Yeah.
00:29:51
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um The last thing I have, which I thought was kind of funny was that there was a play that was being put on. it It was like within the last couple years since COVID. This play was telling the story of Marjorie McCall titled Marjorie's Dead.
00:30:08
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all the articles I read said at the time that it was in the works, and but it seems like it did get put into production. ah The play details the circumstances of events which led to her being buried in 1705 and the attempts to steal her wedding ring.
00:30:28
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it from what i saw it kind of seemed like there was like very minimal class cast like maybe only five actors or something oh that's hardly a proper heist you can't have an ocean yeah have ah yeah and i think i remember reading somewhere that it said that the like the director and the writer or something a were also playing the grave robbers so I was like oh it's like nice there's a real low budget it looked like there was no set props uh it was literally just an empty stage and them was like oh made for tv yeah uh
00:31:13
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But what I thought was interesting, I wanted to mention it is because at the time of the articles, it said that counselors will decide whether or not to allow the drama to proceed inside the graveyard where she now lies.
00:31:26
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Because the play was intended to be held on a stage that they were going to build in the cemetery right beside her her grave and they were gonna do the whole play beside her grave or like through the graveyard like the cemetery and everything ah so they were waiting for permission for that so it doesn't look like they got that it seemed like from the pictures I saw that it was on a like black kind of stage inside But thought that was interesting. Now next to her giant tombstone? That is bizarre.
00:32:04
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Yeah, I was like, what do you mean you guys were trying to put this play on right beside her grave? Like, or inside the cemetery? I've heard of Shakespeare in the park, but... Shakespeare in the cemetery. This is Margaery's dead in the cemetery. Like... Damn. Uh...
00:32:23
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Yeah, that's that's the story. I thought it was interesting. lot of I enjoy those ones. Yeah. like and ah Sorry.
00:32:36
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like just got so excited. I was like, I feel like I've heard like maybe one or two similar ones, but I think like at least one was just an Outlander, so it was just a story story. where They're like, oh no, it's awake. And then she's like,
00:32:50
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oh, I think this lady just sat up and told you you didn't spend enough on her wake she's had a pulmonary embolism. She's about to go way back down again. like But she she like got up just enough in time to like curse her son-in-law for not spending enough on her funeral, which made it kind of a pretty funny scene.
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00:33:11
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:14
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But, like, that is very dramatic. Like... Yeah. I don't know. What sucked me in was the pictures of... ah picked her her tombstone that or her gravestone that just says Marjorie McCall lived once, died twice. And I was like, they had humor back in the 1700s. I was like, oh, or whenever she died.
00:33:39
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I don't know when when she finally died. when When she finally just died. Stayed dead. I think we can all agree she lived sometime around the early 1700s. don't know. Oh my god.
00:33:50
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and oh my yeah It's amazing. Yeah, who knows? Who knows if it's real? That's the the legend of Marjorie McCall. Marjorie McCall?
00:34:03
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Have you ever read the story about the Irish dude that they tried really hard to kill in, like, early America for like, life insurance money? and his name was, like, know, Mick something.
00:34:18
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McDonald. And I felt like it was, like, Rasputin where, like, they just kept trying to like feed him so much alcohol and like got him super drunk and like left him outside in the cold. And like, no matter what they did to him, he just like keeps bouncing back and they're just like, fuck it. Oh, I think his last name is Malloy. Yeah. They're like, Malloy, we're just trying to kill you for the insurance money. Cause you're just the local alcoholic. And he's just like, won't die.
00:34:45
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It's yeah. It's yeah. It's kind of in that, Not in the same vein, but still a funny story or an interesting story. I did run across a story that was like
00:34:59
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a woman that they were trying to execute or something at some point and she she wouldn't die. So then it said like can't her friends and like family members that were witnessing her execution by like hanging Oh god.
00:35:16
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They started like grabbing onto her feet and like trying to pull her feet to try and break her neck and that didn't work. And then go now they like cut her down and then they were like, ah they tried all these other ways and she wouldn't die.
00:35:31
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So then they decided because- ah They had tried to kill her like five different ways that it didn't work. that ah they're like She's free? Yeah. yeah but that She didn't need to serve her sentence. And then it said that she was freed and her charges were all dropped. And then she like lived the rest of her life. And I was like, what?
00:35:49
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oh Because she would I mean, after that. Seriously. No, like the hanging thing is... Very for real. Because that comes up in Outlander and other historical ones where, like, people are getting hanged for being quote-unquote sodomites.
00:36:07
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Because, you know, yeah straight people can have sex in the ass, but gay people, oh, no, will put you death. And then, like yeah like, with Lord John Gray from the Outlander books, like, he remembers having to pull on it like a friend of his...
00:36:27
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legs when they're not their neck wasn't snapped because essentially when you're being hanged you're not supposed to just strangle to death your neck is supposed to snap when you draw yeah and if they don't do that then they did not do it right and that's even more horrifying yeah hope I was just like oh she was just cleared of all charges and then got to live the rest of her life in peace it was like oh cool wow yeah like damn I can't remember what she was, like, charged with. I don't think it was anything... oh and that was the woman where they tried to kill five times. Okay, yeah I was like, wait, wait, wait, ah sorry.
00:37:05
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Got to mix up with your story for a sec. Yeah, no, it's fucking crazy. and we And the way that we could argue that any types of execution are, like, humane is a little bizarre to me also, but... don't know.
00:37:18
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Yeah. They say, like, with the cost, it... uh, for like the drugs and everything to even do lethal injection, it costs more to do lethal injection than it does to keep the person alive for the rest of their life.
00:37:35
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Uh, I mean, that yeah, the, the, whatchamacallit, economical costs are kind of baffling to me, but also uh,
00:37:50
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moral costs if you do execute people and then you find out that sometimes your system isn't 100% of finding out if they're innocent. like Right, yeah. That's, through through my true crime experience, that's what I've found a problem with, where I'm like, maybe I am anti-capital punishment and yeah stuff like that.
00:38:12
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Don't even get me started earlier. I'm trying to eat supper, get ready for this, and then something comes up and... stupid me oh like oh what pat said something was going to happen in a star wars film that was going to depict something like rape or sexual assault and we were like that has not appeared in the star wars universe it's not been an adult universe and then i said something like well far be it for me to be like argue that like murder is worse than rape but like they can show all the like deaths in these sort of films and stuff but then the minute they're going to show something that's like
00:38:48
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argu youably arguably arguably asterisk a lesser crime like than killing someone and now they're gonna get all up in arms i was like oh and that just i was like i didn't want to open a debate but that could pat and rain yeah well what is worse and i was like oh god oh no really didn't want to talk about this but
00:39:10
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from the From the basis of most like criminal justice systems, murder is like 10 times worse.
00:39:22
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Right. It's like that you're supposed to get a longer sentence or you like, yeah, you're supposed to get a long sentence with rape too, you'd think. But oh lo and behold, does not always happen.
00:39:41
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Anyway, I didn't mean to be like a Debbie Downer, but I guess we'll be right back ah for another astounding case.
00:39:54
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Yeah. Yeah, man.
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00:42:33
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Yeah, I'm calling you out, Chris. No. It said, Chris followed you at 6.33 p.m. And then I got one that said, Chris followed you 6.50 p.m. I said, did he unfollow me?
00:42:45
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I don't understand. It was so confusing.
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Oh, good pods. i No, I haven't even listened to good pods in like a couple days and then it'll be like someone followed you. I'm like, okay. but Always was a good feeling. Oh my gosh.
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00:43:29
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Oh, no. i
00:43:33
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Before we started recording, i think my... Well, the last time I checked what my laptop said it was at, it said it was at 20...
00:43:46
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23% or something oh shit I do be like using it mine very little and be like I'll put it back on the charger it's like not even that low so funny okay go
00:44:02
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don't be in my space it's not that hard go be in the box or go down Would you like to hear a story?
00:44:14
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Go down. You just have to be quiet. Now he's just goingnna attack me gonna attack me. like he heard you. He's like, I don't know.
00:44:29
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You stay out of this, Alenum. Yeah. We were watching the Daredevil and playing with Fenn earlier. Like, I don't know. He had his toy around and I threw it to him and then eventually, like, a few, like, ten minutes later, so he came around with a toy in his mouth, so he's like, oh, Pat's like, he wants you to play now, and then I was like, okay, but, like, I'm still half watching the TV and just kind of playing tug-of-war, and then, like, Pat took over, and then all of sudden, we just both hear the dog kind of, like, do this, like, weird barking, like, yelp, where he was like, woo-woo, and we're like,
00:45:03
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oh Oh. weird. And I was like, i don't know what happened to Jonah because he was playing with the toy with him. He's like, i don't know. I'm like, m maybe he maybe because we weren't paying attention to the tugging of warring like something. Yeah. The mouth or the eye or something that he didn't like. And I like, I guess we'll just have to pay attention better because he does not usually make those kind of noises.
00:45:31
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like you can tell that it hurt or whatever. i mean, not that he doesn't step on our fucking toes all the time and hurt the shit out of us.
00:45:44
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he's like He's like Gordo a bit. He and doesn't realize his own size. spatial awareness. I don't think Gordo realizes he's way bigger than a normal cat. so like normal cat things are like...
00:45:57
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him him jumping off the back of the couch right onto your stomach ah is painful.
00:46:05
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Yeah. No, I heard that can, yeah. I was telling them at a home here that I read this Reddit thread that was like, what's the dumbest way you've injured yourself? And there was a lot of tripping and animals and like,
00:46:22
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Oh, yeah. Cat kept jumping off their thing like next to their face and then eventually like landed on their face. Oh, no. That sounds about right. Yeah.
00:46:35
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I know Gordo really likes to zigzag ah right under your feet. um Especially when it's like mealtime, he's really excited and so he's running in front of you, but he's like only running slightly faster than you. So then you're just like, okay, like just go faster than this.
00:46:53
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This is insane. Oh, totally. Yeah, we can be walking the dog and then he's all like... Oh, I want to go really fast until I want to sniff something and then i'll go really slow right in front of you and stuff like that. And you're like, can stop? Yeah.
00:47:08
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Yeah. Gordo likes to to zip in front because if I'm leaving a room and I'd leave the light on, he knows I'm coming back to that room. So he won't leave. He'll just stay in that room. But if I turn the light off, he knows.
00:47:20
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I'm not coming back to the room. He's too smart. He's like insane. i So as soon as I turn the light off, he's like, oh okay, we're leaving this room. Okay, I'll follow you. So then he books it in front of me, but he likes to be on my left side. So if I'm trying to go from my bedroom to the bathroom, which are right beside each other, he will get in between me as I'm entering the bathroom because he's running down the hallway.
00:47:45
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ah So he catches me a lot of times in the morning. ah when I'm exiting my room and trying to go into the bathroom and he's running out. seems Yeah. I've kicked him. i've almost tripped. But thankfully, I know he's going to do it.
00:48:05
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And I'm always looking down when I'm walking at home. I'm always looking at the floor because I can't trust him anywhere. No. He's always there. You've seen me say that Fenrir does the same thing when we're going downstairs to the basement. Yeah. But he doesn't like...
00:48:19
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favor aside it's just like whatever side you try to hug he's like let me get between you and the wall you're like i was making space for here i was holding or whatever they say nowadays anyway want to hear about british airways accident flight 5390 fifty three ninety Sure.
00:48:42
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it I accidentally already went into the drive and may have seen some pictures already. And I was like, oh no, oops. Oh my god. Okay. And you didn't react. Amazing. Poker face.
00:48:56
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was like, ah. Well, I've watched a lot of pictures a lot of episodes of Mayday, so oh it's not a not a new concept.
00:49:07
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Yeah. Okay, that does sound like a fun show, but also the kind of thing that I turn on when I'm, like, on a trip because it's on in the hotel, and then I'm like, I shouldn't watch this before I'm, like, taking a flight at home.
00:49:19
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Yeah. Oh, God. I love those kind of shows. You feel one bump and you're like, oh, no. Where's the... Is it the phalange? this This plane doesn't even have a phalange.
00:49:31
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Yeah, from Friends. Oh, my God. No, I'm a bit of a nervous, like, flyer. Sort of. Yeah. Yeah. I'm well aware how far up in the air we are. i just... Yeah, and how helpless and how you can't do anything to affect your own survival.
00:49:49
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i know, and as I get older... I don't know. Other than if you land in the ocean, don't inflate your life fast until you have exited the plane. No, or...
00:50:01
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ah now i'm scratching my arm um or like the oxygen mask it's like i don't know because having flown with my daughter i'm like does that make me more scared because i'm like i have to be the one that feels like they're in control and not gonna panic like i don't know what it is but like i've never been a super huge fan of flying i don't think everyone is it's scary it's kind scary yeah
00:50:29
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Cruises, also scary. um I've never been on a cruise, but they're also pretty expensive, so. And now I just hearken back to this, there's a Modern Family episode where they're trying to teach Lily to ride her bike, which I can so relate, because we um couldn't, you know, Rain was really scared to try and learn to ride a bike.
00:50:52
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Yeah. Still can't, so we'll see if she learns that before she's 30, but. Like with Lily, they're like, don't worry, riding a bike and getting on a plane. it's It's so safe. It's like so much safer than getting in a car. And she's like, I could die getting in a car. Like they just keep just saying things, just making her more scared. It's worse.
00:51:15
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I know. hey You're more likely to get struck by lightning. I could get struck by lightning. Right. Yeah. Come on, Mitchell. Let's not teach our kids to be scared. Yeah, get agoraphobia or whatever it is.
00:51:29
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I'm afraid to leave the house. The house could collapse on top of me and I could die?
00:51:36
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Those people should hear this story because these people persevered. yeah Okay, nice. Okay, so this happens on the tenth of june in so it's like...
00:51:51
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okay ah thirty five way more race But it's a lot more recent than mine. oh that makes me feel better.
00:52:02
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Because calling this a case old makes me feel a little old. So, yeah. My case in between sometime between, i think the earliest source said ah source said 1685 and 1705.
00:52:17
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And then some other year. i was like, oh, cool. So we're just throwing random stuff out there now. And mine obviously has an airplane. Yeah.
00:52:29
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Also, one like post I read was like, timeline-wise, you could have been on the Oregon Trail and conceivably gotten a fax or something. And I was like, what?
00:52:43
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how that was already invented like it broke my brain the things the things that people came up with like technology wise is kind of mind-blowing sometimes you realize oh that happened then like we had that capability communication wise and oh yeah we're like oh telegraph or whatever crazy and now we're like internet and we're like we're babies we don't know what we're doing with any of this yeah oh good lord okay so on this lovely day in 1990 the back what bach bach 111 was making its way on a routine route i really wrote routine route i did that ah oh no
00:53:32
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Flight? h Leg? i should have put leg. Flight plan. It's a flight plan. yaw It's flight plan was at this not.
00:53:44
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ah run
00:53:47
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um It was routine, though. Very popular with these British people that were going to on like holiday in Spain. it was going from Birmingham to Balaga, Spain, if I didn't say that.
00:54:03
Speaker
Sounds lovely. i too would like to go to Spain.
00:54:08
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Or just the ability to holiday almost anywhere in continental Europe if you live in the UK. It's just a hop, skip, and jump.
00:54:21
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Yeah, I would love that so much.
00:54:27
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Sounds very cool.
00:54:30
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ah So for about the first 15 minutes all was well until one small malfunction turned into a major incident and quite simply a terrifying ordeal for the flight crew especially. Yeah.
00:54:49
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Alright. poor Captain Tim Lancaster. poor. He's great. He's awesome. He's doing good. Okay.
00:54:58
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um He is leading the the the flight crew, as it were, with the first officer, Alistair Atchison. Every time I read that name, Alistair, I want to say Alistair, I feel like it's more normally pronounced Alistair. Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:20
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hot take no but it was him so he's basically the co-pilot and then there's four other cabin crew and between the two pilots they had at the time over 18,000 hours of experience flying and over 2,000 total hours flying this type of plane in particular
00:55:43
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they were well versed
00:55:47
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The plane itself was a standard rear engine plane known as a Bach 111, or in longhand, the Bach 111 500. or And was one the British Airways used from 1974 1993. love these. a also?
00:56:00
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airways used from nineteen seventy four to ninety ninety three i love these like it had like a name also This one was registered under the code GBJRT and called County of South Glamorgan and named after a region in South Wales.
00:56:20
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Why is this happening? People be naming benches and you're just like, oh, it's Bench in a Park. like Oh no. Don't get me started. I saw some memorial benches on this post earlier that was like, this bench made me cry because it was about a good dog.
00:56:38
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ah so
00:56:43
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i have to go record i can't be crying yeah it's something like this bench is for george he was a bad dog but a good boy what that's weird it is but like i can kind of see it where i'm like like maybe he can get up to a lot of shit like like little mr gordo or someone i don't know yeah Yeah.
00:57:10
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Okay. um
00:57:13
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So they were quite versed in flying this plane. And oh I just thought it was fun that um before it had been named after a place in Wales, it had been operated in a West German carrier fleet.
00:57:26
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And when it was an aircraft in that fleet, it was called... Or the fleet was called the Bavaria Flugelschlaft. Yeah.
00:57:39
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Boy, did I really want to write that word out and try to say it. So I did.
00:57:44
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But they later renamed it Bavarian German Air in 1977. Boo.
00:57:53
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Fluggerschaft.
00:57:56
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Fluggerschaft. No, it's so many syllables.
00:58:04
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Oh, God. Okay. Okay, so this was a pretty early morning flight. So after completing takeoff at 8.20am, Alistair Atchison hands the control of the plane over to Captain Lancaster.
00:58:18
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um Because his name was tin Tim Lancaster, I wrote to myself Tyrion Lannister. smell Well, the Lannisters were based off the Lancasters, but anyway, was just being stupid.
00:58:35
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go don't know he came back he came back in the room the cat came back the very next day my god box oh he's yeah he's up on the table little shit okay gordo listen in so both the pilots I would think are a bit relieved that the tricky part of takeoff is over, right? Because that's when they say a lot of the stuff can occur.
00:59:08
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Just like... Probably, yeah. Just like they're like, all car accidents happen around your house or whatever. ah
00:59:19
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um So then they relax and they remove their shoulder harnesses and uh lancaster loosens his lap belt as well so they have the ones that go they do have one that goes but two ah straps over their shoulders and then they have the seat belt belt like most um flights do you know that little tiny seat belt that think isn't gonna do anything for you in the case of emergency yeah
00:59:50
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So, okay Take off 8.20 short amount of time later, meal service is starting. And at this, some sources kind of differed if it was like 13 minutes into the flight 30 or longer. But if it took off at 8.20, it seems like most sources would verify that it happened at about 13 to minutes into the flight.
01:00:17
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Just because timeline wise. Yeah, I mean, depends what kind of meal or anything's happening. If it's just the snacks and drinks, they they get to that pretty quickly. They give you all your little pretzels and and water.
01:00:33
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And I wondered if some of the sources, if they're saying like an hour after takeoff, if they just didn't include takeoff, which could be up to like 30 minutes, just like landing can be ah like a half an hour. don't know.
01:00:45
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But yeah maybe rest the timelines, it seemed like it was only 15 minutes in. At most.
01:00:59
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Sorry. Did you say something else before Gordo so rudely interrupted you? No. Just shoving him away from the mic and now he's left the room again. We'll see how long that lasts.
01:01:13
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Okay. Okay.
01:01:16
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So basically at around 8.33 a.m. while they were flying over... still did not look how to say this, but English language Didot.
01:01:27
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That's how it's spelled. Didot? I don't know. But they're over this town or whatever, Didot, at 37... Or sorry, 17,300 feet. I numbers. Okay. seventeen thousand three hundred feet i can talk numbers
01:01:44
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And that's when a loud bang went off in the cockpit. So to me, yeah, it was only about like 13, 15 minutes after they actually got in the air. It sounded like. moon Like cruising altitude or something. Yeah.
01:01:59
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Yeah. Because I feel like they don't usually count the takeoff and stuff. And usually when they're starting to land, they're like, oh, yeah, we'll be landing in half an hour and get prepared. And they start. Yeah. yeah
01:02:12
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one flight attendant, ah Nigel Ogden, was entering the cabin at this time. Pardon me.
01:02:24
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So to Nigel's horror, he watched as an explosion explosive decompression blew out the left windshield panel and Captain Tim was sucked towards the hole and out.
01:02:36
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um yeah As I know, they usually called it the windscreen, but in the Americas, we call it the windshield. is It's the part of your car that keeps yeah everything out of your face.
01:02:51
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like i I would... I don't know. I tend to think a screen is like... Like a window screen has the the holes. It's like the...
01:03:05
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that's true because lets the air go in and out and then the window pane is like the solid glass a screen door yeah would refer to something that's more like a mesh situation yeah so i'm like ah calling it a windscreen doesn't make sense to my god no exactly yeah to us that sounds really weird because we're like that's a windshield but i think it's just shields the wind it does not let the wind go through like a screen
01:03:34
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ah screening your calls. Yeah, I think it's just a different terminology. um But yeah, the way that Captain Tim Lancaster was sucked out of the hole of the windshield, windscreen panel, what have you.
01:03:49
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Like, basically if his legs hadn't fetched up on the controls and caught there, he would have been blown completely out. Yeah, that's horrifying. It's so crazy. And I Yeah.
01:04:05
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I was like, I've heard this story before and I heard it this last week when I was trying to decide what to cover. and then I was like, you know what? This could kind of fit and I love it.
01:04:15
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but But anyway. i I don't know if I've heard one like this one with the pilot, but I've heard lots with ah flight attendants getting getting sucked out. and stuff yeah that's most of the ones I know about involve flight attendants or passengers oh god I know there's one survival story of a flight attendant ah I want to say like Vecenia or someone or she had a Russian sounding V name and like yeah I think the only reason she survived is because
01:04:54
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She gets sucked out of the back and there was cart or something that was kind of blocking her. And then also they were like, well, normally your low blood pressure would mean you can't work for the airline, but it actually saved you because you kind of went limp and then fell to the ground.
01:05:12
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Yeah. That was pretty insane too. You're like, wow um But yeah, like the, the fact that there's like kind of a trope of,
01:05:23
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these sort of stories is a little insane but we'll we'll get to if there's a couple i might have a similar story or two at the end as a ah mention damn i know it just doesn't seem like your everyday anecdote
01:05:44
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Yeah. um So yeah, as the captain gets yeeted out the window, the flight attendant that's named Nigel just launches himself forward and grabs his feet and holds on for dear life as the plane began to descend.
01:06:07
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So... The sudden decompression of the cabin caused another issue. The cockpit door had collapsed inwards from the force, jamming the throttle controls.
01:06:20
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This is like, really hard to pilot this plane now. is the that Half out and still half in his pilot seat. um Oh yeah, and his body had also accidentally disengaged the autopilot on its way out, so that was also a Yeah, I was just gonna say, where's the autopilot in all of this?
01:06:43
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Literal autopilot, yeah. It's always autopilot.
01:06:49
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um So they were now descending at 400 miles per hour in an extremely busy airspace as the oxygen was also running out quickly.
01:07:01
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okay. and I know, feel like. I can barely breathe saying that. ah Because standard aircraft only have an enough oxygen to last a few minutes, so getting down to a more breathable altitude was paramount to their situation.
01:07:16
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So I guess you don't always think about that. The oxygen masks come down, but they don't have like perpetual amount of oxygen on the plane to keep you going. That's probably why they say put your own on before you put the child one on, because they're just...
01:07:32
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an emergency feature but yeah very interesting right so now first officer atchison is um continuing the descent but not as at such a steep pace he doesn't want it to be in like free fall yeah andt That sounded insane to me. And I'm not even a pilot. yeah He's like, I need to get control of these controls. Yeah. um
01:08:06
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Yeah. They're not nose diving, but he's taking the controls. ah So it's a move over to like the other seat. He's calling air traffic control and saying mayday, mayday and trying to get some direction as to where they might be able to to land.
01:08:25
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um And as he's getting directions, let's check back in with n Nigel Ogden, the most British sounding man ever, who is holding Captain Lancaster by his feet.
01:08:37
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Yeah, I'm looking at this picture. I don't know if this is like a picture or a movie they did or an reenactment. i I find it hard to believe that while this is happening, somebody snapped a photo, but I know. Yes, spoiler, it is a reenactment. And it took me like a few websites to find that fact before I was like, oh, that makes sense. Because how else could they get all those pictures?
01:09:00
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Yeah, like of them hanging onto his legs and shit. Yeah, right? I was just like, oh, that doesn't seem feasible because that would have been another person that could have helped told him. like why know, who's saying they're taking pictures?
01:09:11
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That's exactly what I thought. Better document this near-death experience. Let me take a thousand pictures instead of helping. No, I had the same question. I think I have it at the end like I do if there's like a movie about it.
01:09:24
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That kind of thing. ah Yeah. Um, so Nigel said, who's holding him? I whipped round and saw the front windscreen had disappeared and Tim, the pilot, was going out through it.
01:09:39
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Yep. So, so crazy. He had been sucked out of his seatbelt and all I could see were his legs, Ogden said in a 2005 piece published in the Sydney Morning Herald.
01:09:51
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Um, so Ogden recalled, I jumped over the control column and grabbed him around his waist to avoid him going out completely. His shirt had been pulled off his back and his body was bent upwards, doubled over around the top with the aircraft.
01:10:07
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So that was one of the funniest parts to me that his shirt got like sucked off his body. But anyway. Yeah. Must not have been tucked in very well. Like, I don't know.
01:10:19
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Yeah. I know, it's like when people land they don't have their freaking shoes on. So Ogden said he was holding onto to Lancaster, quote, for grim death, but I could feel myself being sucked out.
01:10:33
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And also, I'm just looking to apologize for the amount of times I have to say sucked out in this episode.
01:10:42
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It did not go by my notice.
01:10:47
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um Okay, so it continued. Other flight attend attendants rushed to help. The pressure made Lancaster weigh the equivalent of 500 pounds, according to Ogden, who got frostbite and a dislocated shoulder during the incident.
01:11:03
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Yeah, that was pretty crazy to me.
01:11:08
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Because, like, the pressure of the Air Force trying to Didn't you just suck him out? Oh my god.
01:11:20
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Um... If it reassures anyone... He's probably gonna make it because this is a near-death experience one. Yeah.
01:11:32
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I know that probably spells little hope But... It's still pretty I mean, I'm looking at pictures of him in a hospital bed, so I'm assuming he didn't die. Right. He was standing around posing with his dead body sitting up in a hospital. Oh, great. Oh my god,
01:11:51
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Seriously, Night Class, he just wanted them to just segment on funerals and they had... you ever see the ones or hear stories where they like display corpse in like a window?
01:12:04
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was kind like that. but like Yeah, there was drive-thru funerals for a while. She talked about the drive-thru once! I had never heard about that! oh my god! I can't remember where I heard of it um Crazy.
01:12:19
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Yeah. Like, the one guy she had said was an EMT and was set up in his, like, ambulance, and that was the one that was like, really? That's pretty crazy. Oh, yeah, yeah. they They will, like, pose people. They'll be like, this person was a football player, so they'll, like, pose them like they're and doing yeah their their like position in football or something and just like god like you know they gotta like break their bones and shit to put them in that pose right like yeah they went through rigor mortis already I'm manipulating seems a bit much yeah brutal just something about it's off the way you guys are doing it yeah wow that's so crazy though I yeah I hadn't heard of the different ones before. Okay,
01:13:16
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okay sorry. ah oh yeah, his shirt had been sucked off. All these crazy things. um Oh, and then like, basically if the second co-pilot, the first officer, Atchison...
01:13:33
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If he had also taken off his harness and, like, loosened his lap belt the same way the first pilot did, he would have also been, you know, like, expedited out of the plane. Explosively.
01:13:49
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Forced. That's scary. it just seems like such chance, right? Like, where you're like, oh, what are these seatbelts gonna do? But, like, literally the pilot, like, he loosens one of his seatbelts and is like...
01:14:01
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Well, that probably have kept you in the plane in the case of this emergency. Yeah. That's why i in a plane when they're like, oh, yeah um they turn the seatbelt light off and then was like, ah, and they're just taking their seatbelts off. I was like, nope, I'm always going to be wearing mine.
01:14:17
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I'm never not wearing mine if I'm sitting down. like Yeah. I treat the plane a lot like the movie theater. I'm like, if I don't have to get up and go to the bathroom, I will not. Yeah. Exactly.
01:14:31
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Never fly home over also. That's terrible. Clutching onto this toilet for dear life as we're flown through the sky.
01:14:38
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doesn' it
01:14:42
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Flying sucks. Have you flown anywhere since we came back from Vegas? I feel like I've only been to like a million times in Canada. Yeah, we did Los Angeles for Disneyland and stuff. That would have been...
01:15:00
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over a year ago now already and you didn't have to take any covid tests that time that must have been so annoying that really made it annoying I know because Vegas already expensive i wish we could have like a do over where we do a better where it can be more fun it's not so stressful like yeah that's fun though I i forgot you guys have gone to Disney yeah we're we're trying to figure out Mexico I think for Christmas ah but we'll see though the flights we originally figured out and we're gonna book a must have had a a sale for that week or something and then they went back because they're like a thousand dollars more per person then for the exact same thing um oh of course
01:16:00
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No, it's like the bane of your existence as a travel agent where people are like, should I book the flight? Or should I book the flight? you're like, i have no way to know if the flight's going up or down. And like, honestly, I'm not saying not to say you guys didn't book early, but like until you book it, the earlier the better because it can just fluctuate so crazy. And that's insane.
01:16:21
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Like $1,000 a person. That's fucking nuts. um
01:16:27
Speaker
Yeah, between everything, it's like crazy because I think my brother figured out, well, he sent me screenshots of the original quote and it was about $2,600, almost $2,700 a person.
01:16:41
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And then he's like, it was like, because I was going back and forth for work because that's a hard time a year to get off. And then... um yeah we were trying to figure out like could we go in november could we go in january what works best so we were doing all these different dates and then by the time we settled on a certain date and he went to like check the prices again he's like oh everything's like way more like it's in the three thousands uh like 34 to 3600 a person it's like what the fuck like
01:17:16
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I feel that not so much from personal but yeah people always booking and and yeah so we like my work I kind of have to talk and give a updated like heads up that hey we're watching the prices and I'll kind of let you know but it might be shorter notice but and nothing you can do other than that yeah yeah brutal we'll see it might not happen people would be like you know you're a travel agent and can you find me a cheaper flight like and i would try and i would try and it'd be like well if you want to take a shittier flight like yes this is the cheaper one they'd be like well those times kind of suck blah blah it's like well yeah then that's why the other options are more money yeah because they don't suck
01:18:10
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Exactly, exactly. And not a again saying that's why, like, your guys' flight prices went up. But, like, yeah, it would be annoying when people would just book on a whim or something oh, we got you to all price out my stuff and then the flights were cheap on Grubhub or... No, I don't know. So they just like book up.
01:18:29
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And you'd be like, oh, thanks. You know? Yeah. I'm like, because my brother punched in everything exactly because he still had the pictures he sent me. So he punched in everything exactly like it was before.
01:18:43
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and and that's what you have to do to try and compare. of course yeah and nope it's a totally different price it's like wow that's so sucky so yeah we'll see bunch other people booked probably That makes sense.
01:19:00
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Because it's like, it's live ah availability and shit. So like, yeah, it can change so fast. Yeah, it's not bad. Not bad for me. But when you get to like Trav, Kate, and Rooney, it's a separate person now. And then like my mom and dad, when you're talking like $1,000 per person, that's third, like 30% more. Already $1,000 flight is...
01:19:20
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third like thirty percent more like um already a thousand a flight prohibitive for most families to do anything yeah yeah so um but did i tell you that i had a company come up in our like i was processing plates and shit and this company came up i had to check if they were active and the company name was uh donna rooney real estate really that's so funny i was like
01:19:54
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i was like um okay what did they do yeah like i didn't know if the last name was rooney it wasn't clear because the car was registered in the company name obviously but and was just like donna rooney pretty sure that's how they spell rooney like r-o-o-n-e-y yeah yeah okay funny it was i enjoyed it
01:20:32
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okay uh sorry okay i did not get to um him outside the plane i don't think so there was a quote i'm sorry i'm like let's get back to this anyway um The captain, his face, it said his face was banging against the window with blood coming out of his nose and the side of his head.
01:20:56
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His arms were flailing. Most terrifyingly, his eyes were wide open. I'll never forget that sight as long as I live. And that was unnatural. Yeah.
01:21:07
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That sounds pretty scary. and So first officer Atchison was being directed to the nearest airport that they could land in or make an emergency landing at, I should be more specific. And there were two that were fairly close.
01:21:23
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um Not close enough, because, I mean, every second probably feels like an hour for everybody Yeah, like, I'm not sure how far away the other one was, but they were like, okay, the closer one that doesn't have as long of a runway, like, Atchison was like, fuck it, let's go for that one.
01:21:43
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Even though we might have too much fuel, and we're too heavy, and we might Taxi down the runway. a little too hard, I'm guessing. um Like, they may overshoot it, but he's like, no, we gotta land now. So they're landing at this south Southampton, ah no matter the risk.
01:22:02
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The flight attendants apparently tell everyone on board to brace, and though they come in hot, no passenger or other injuries are reported. And he lands the plane successfully at No more damage. Damn. Damn.
01:22:15
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no more damage yeah right I mean, I'm sure once they got going at a slow enough speed, they could pull him back in the plane even before they fully came to a stop.
01:22:28
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come Just in case they overshot the runway. Ooh, yeah. I'm not too sure. think everyone... I don't know. I don't know. I think everyone's concentration was on their specific task, whether it was holding him or landing the plane, but um i I can't.
01:22:46
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speak to that but like it is an amazing story that everyone you know spoiler like next line is alive like they didn't think he was alive he'd been banging about the outside of the fucking cabin like
01:23:06
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I would not think he was alive. I did not think he was alive. To me, ever I've heard this case covered like maybe three times now. Like, so I'm not super familiar with it, but like I get to hearing and about it and be like, oh, this sounds familiar. And then you're just like, is this Schrodinger's pilot? Like, until he's in, thinking you don't know if he's alive or dead. you don't know anything.
01:23:30
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oh um but yeah amazingly about 35 minutes after takeoff um they landed and captain tim lancaster at that point had spent uh more than 20 minutes of that time outside of the plane wow Sorry, I can't say it without hearing, like, dad jokes where they're just gonna, like, put you on the wing or something. And you're like, no, no, no. This guy, like, literally um flew outside of the cockpit.
01:24:06
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And, amazingly enough, he had some recollection of what had happened to him when he was outside of the plane. my god, I bet it isn't awesome. Like...
01:24:18
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I mean, I cannot with this quote. He said he was aware of being outside of the airplane, but that really didn't bother me a great deal. That's what he said. What?
01:24:31
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That's not where you're supposed to be. i would be bothered. then it was outside of the car. wasn't afraid. Like... The way they're such badasses in such a nonchalant way.
01:24:49
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yeah Okay, so he said, what I remember most clearly was that the fact that I couldn't breathe because I was facing into the airflow, he said. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Like, ah can't even have the windows open on the highway. like Right. So I can kind of understand how that seems like it was like pouring air into his face, for lack of a better word.
01:25:14
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Yeah. It's just like rushing past him or something. Yeah. Hang I'm going to put my other headphone in because this one... um Yeah, so basically he tried to reposition himself.
01:25:35
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Okay, never mind. was like, I can't hear you. ah So he tried to... re He remembers trying to reposition himself so he could intake the air easier where it was easier to to breathe and that's about all he remembers after that.
01:25:51
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Hmm. Probably for the best. ah The way I was so shook when I found out that he was like conscious, I was like, really? Pardon me.
01:26:05
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So from what they learned after The missing window pane, plus most of the 90 bolts that were holding it in place, were found in a place called ch Cholsey.
01:26:21
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I don't know. That's a terrible name. Cholsey!
01:26:28
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Like Chelsea, but not Chelsea. No, it's terrible. Oxfordshire is where it is. And Cholsley's town is about nine kilometers from Didcot, or where the decompression happened, where they were in the airspace of above Didcot.
01:26:46
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. So I'm sorry about these place names. It's geography. But they knew kind of where to start the investigation, where they found the remains of the windscreen slash windshield.
01:27:03
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Um... And they start looking at all the parts and any maintenance that had occurred on the aircraft in the immediate ah precedent. So it came to light that most of the bolts that had been used to hold the windshield ah were not the proper size to hold the windshield in.
01:27:25
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Um... About 84 of the 90 total bolts were just slightly smaller than they needed to be to hold that properly. Well, you can't have 84 out of 90 be wrong. That's insane.
01:27:43
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feel like I'm telling it to a supervisor. I'm like, Kelsey, they were mostly correct. Oh my god I know. You should be a little disappointed. Like...
01:27:55
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Although to the naked eye, they were the same. They were off by like a fraction of a millimeter from what I heard. I didn't even write it down. was too hard to understand.
01:28:07
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And you're like, okay, well, we probably shouldn't be eyeballing things. But then you learn that they like have to do a lot of routine maintenance in a short amount of time and that this is not an uncommon sort of practice.
01:28:22
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Yeah. just to be like, looks really close. It's really dead. But that's what happened. So this was a routine maintenance performed about 27 hours prior to the flight.
01:28:36
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ah So like, you know, almost the night before. Oh, so it wasn't even something that like they did and then it was months later. It was like immediately.
01:28:47
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didn't but fail. Yeah, I feel like. Or pretty immediately. I don't know. Maybe a flights later. Yeah, if it been replaced with the regular bolts, it would have held.
01:28:59
Speaker
But once they were just a little too small and there was just a little too much wind pressure or whatever, it was like done for. was over. Damn. Yeah.
01:29:10
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um It's like, yeah, i remember listening to this one on... It came up on a podcast just when it was like, Spotify suggests you listen to the newest episode of this that you listen to. and it was like, um, Doomsday had covered this one. And after he talks about the disaster, he'll always be like, okay, so what, what happened?
01:29:31
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And I was like, yeah, what the, what happened? Seems so crazy. Um, But, like, yeah, it was basically one of those things where it was just a little bit off. Just, like, isn't that the Mothman Bridge thing, too? Or one of those bridge disasters where, it's like, something was just a bit off and then it eventually collapsed. don't know.
01:29:57
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No, I can't remember now either. um But, yeah, it was, like, fractions of an inch, a millimeter, whatever. And this was replaced about a day before the flight.
01:30:09
Speaker
Um... Honestly, I think what came about ah after that was a little bit more oversight on the inspections and stuff. Although... Yeah.
01:30:21
Speaker
Sadly, I couldn't find very much about that, which feel like we should be asking the questions of, well, what do we do now to make sure that didn't happen again? you know?
01:30:32
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i don't know. So... Many accolades and congratulations were given to the heroic crew who saved their lives, all of their lives, really, of the whole flight.
01:30:46
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um Yeah, geez. I mean, have been much worse, right?
01:30:53
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First Officer Atchison and Flight Attendant Susan Gibbons and Nigel Ogden got the Queen's Commendation for Valuable Service in the Air. I'm not sure if she helped to hold onto the feet or just helped to keep the passengers under ah control. Because they also did mention a couple other flight crew, which was John Howard and a Simon Rogers.
01:31:18
Speaker
So I'll say they also get an honorable mention. They maybe also helped to help. I can imagine, like... when the depressurization happened there was probably like turbulence in the plane and then the the passengers are like what happened they're like the pilot got sucked out of the plane we're hanging on to his feet and we're gonna try and land and they'd be like what like you're so right someone's having to keep everyone all calm and that's probably susan and doesn't have to hold on to the
01:31:49
Speaker
legs in a cabin. That doesn't mean she isn't keeping shit down in the passenger cabin. In the 90s when there's hardly any movies. Everyone's just like, I'm out smokes!
01:32:01
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I was thinking I'll smoke on the plane. Oh god. Yeah. Crazy times. That's wild. So there was a Polaris Award in 92 Officer Atchison officer atchesison And he continued to fly, actually, ah still for British Airways and then for a company called Jet2 and only retired in June of 2015 on his 65th birthday.
01:32:30
Speaker
Good for him. Damn. I The both of them. Because that's the one that landed the plane. And then ah Captain Tim Lancaster, who was the one that was partially sucked out of the plane, ha ha ha also returned to flying after five months of recovery on his part.
01:32:52
Speaker
so I don't think I could be in an airport. that that' The way that he's like, I don't know if he doesn't remember enough to have PTSD or he's just a better man than I could ever be. But like, holy shit.
01:33:07
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um yeah Yeah. Like, you like landing, landing a plane that's having problems is like, You can retire. like you did You did everything great. like Great job. But like almost being or basically being sucked out of the plane.
01:33:26
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ah yeah You don't need to do it. but Just write a book. ah Get a different job. And I think they were both quite young. i If I recall, they were like in their 40s at the time. Yeah, that would make sense if they had retired in... don't know.
01:33:45
Speaker
two One of them retired in 2008. Anyway.
01:33:50
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um Okay, let me just finish this because now I have to pee. Damn it. Okay, so... Yeah, he went back to work after five months. He flew for EasyJet and retired in 2008.
01:34:02
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And I couldn't find how many years he had flown, but a fucking shit ton.
01:34:09
Speaker
And finally, the plane itself, which was the good old county of Glamorgan... You know, her stupid name. She went on to work for Jaro International, which was a Romanian a romanian airline, ah until 1993.
01:34:28
Speaker
So she also retired on her 65th year of service. No, I don't know.
01:34:34
Speaker
65th birthday. I don't think they keep planes in the air that long. Not commercial ones. They're almost, like, constantly being flown. oh yeah, exactly. Okay, good.
01:34:48
Speaker
um Okay, good. There's literally like two sentences left or something.
Related Aviation Incidents and Survival Stories
01:34:57
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So National Geographic recreated this incident on the 2005 documentary Air Crash Investigation Blowout.
01:35:09
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um So that provides us with all the amazing pictures, which for the longest time i was like, I don't understand how they got such good pictures of this incident when it happened. Yeah. Nobody had a fucking cell phone camera. So I was also like, wait, what? And you picked up on that. Yeah. as Where you're like, how are so many pictures?
01:35:31
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I don't know. i think it was like my fifth source before I found that someone had done a documentary. So was like, oh, okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.
01:35:42
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I was like, how they got a picture of him from above? Straight sucked off. Like, what? um But there was a honorable mention of a couple of similar incidents on one of the web pages I read.
01:36:02
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Which one was a in ah China. So this was May 14th in 2018. And because China, all the names are hard.
01:36:14
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But the Sichuan Airlines Airbus A319 flight 3UA633 that was heading from Chongqing, John Bel, International to Lhasa Gangar in Tibet, where this the first officer was partially ejected and survived with only minor injuries to his right eye, facial abrasions, a sprained wrist, and the emergency landing ah happened in Chengdu,
01:36:43
Speaker
And in that case, the cause was moisture damage to a seal on the screen. It's pretty crazy. you know Like, some of these minor things are like, sometimes ah rocket launches are like, well, we had never launched this cold before, and then that Challenger thing happened, and we exploded. You're like, Right?
01:37:07
Speaker
Ugh. oh um And it was weird because I thought someone said on Reddit that like they thought someone had gotten partial blindness from the main story I told. And I was like, I think you're thinking of this one where he got um injuries to his eye. Because even Captain Lancaster, who was outside of the airplane, there was reported injuries to his eye. So I'm not sure.
01:37:31
Speaker
If he had any injury to his eye, he wouldn't have been allowed to continue flying. So he wouldn't have been a pilot anymore. like they wouldn't have allowed it so it's just the way you have to be so perfect like physically for the army like yeah yeah a lot of that kind of stuff you can't even like need glasses and right like because i remember i clicked on like the article link about my main story and was like is there any other tidbits that are unconfirmed and then people were just like
01:38:06
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I think a little bit conflating some of the similar cases where they're like, I think he got partial blindness. And i was like, I didn't read that, but I didn't i didn't like yeah argue it.
01:38:17
Speaker
Yeah, it's just unfortunate what can go on the internet where sometimes it's the truth comes out and other times just the rumors ah go to live. um and the only other one like that uh that one site mentioned was a flight in hawaii that uh sadly did have a death to it but was aloha aloha so happy aloha air flight 243 it was an inter-island flight on a boeing 737 aircraft
01:38:53
Speaker
that um similarly but also terrifyingly worse it abruptly abruptly lost its whole roof mid-flight so oh that's the one i know okay i don't know caused that one to have its explosive situation um I don't like remember.
01:39:17
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it didn't have a lot of details on that one, but it was just, like, listed. and it was in 1988 and ah had one death because a flight attendant died when she was suddenly ejected from the plane on that one. Yeah, that's the one I know.
01:39:32
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Okay! Yeah, she was, like, walking through the middle or something and then um when the roof went, she just right out and then... Really? Really?
01:39:44
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Yeah, and the other, I think, flight attendants were still in the seats or they were far enough from it that ah they were away from, like, the airflow that they didn't get sucked out.
01:39:56
Speaker
Like, that can make a huge difference where you're at in the plane when it, like, something's wrong. Yeah. No, that's interesting because um I'd heard of at least one case where...
01:40:12
Speaker
don't know if it's Vecenia whatever the name is just kind of escaping me, but she's like ah flight attendant that probably not supposed to be a flight attendant because she had kind of low blood pressure stuff and they tried to deny her, but like she got in anyway. But then like ah due to her low blood pressure when the event happened, she like passed out and then the yeah beverage cart like kind of smashed into her at the back of the plane but like all all of that conspired to let her survive it whereas everyone else like died and i was like how the fuck like someone yeah there's some weird
01:40:54
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I used to love watching Mayday because it was it was wild. But there was a lot of stuff about like um there was like depressurizations from like the the passenger windows getting ruptured or ah there was a couple episodes of like.
01:41:15
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hijackings bombs um yeah that kind of stuff that happened ah but most of it was like actual malfunctions with the plane sometimes like a lot of times it was like the the tail section that would get damaged and people near the back of the plane
01:41:40
Speaker
would get injured but For sure. Yeah. The Aloha 243 does sound. As soon as you said the plane number, I was like, why does that ring a bell? was so long since I would have watched that, though.
01:41:55
Speaker
I'm pretty sure it's that one. ah Yeah, there wasn't a lot of details on that one in the article I read. So just that's basically all I had. But yeah, it's interesting, like you say, where they're like, oh, maybe they used to deal with it a little differently. Or i don't know.
01:42:15
Speaker
Creepy. Just... yeah We're all goddamn scared when we have to get on a plane, I think. most people always Always be wearing your seatbelt.
01:42:27
Speaker
Always be wearing your seatbelt. your youre ah your The bottom part of your seat is almost always a flotation device. ah That's true!
01:42:39
Speaker
i I said don't inflate your life vest until after you've exited the airplane when you're in water because if you inflate it while the plane is sinking, ah you will get stuck inside the plane.
01:42:51
Speaker
ah So you need to be yeah exited the plane before you inflate the life vest and it'll help bring you to the surface of the water ah because like 80% of the people that survive plane crashes in the ocean die because they inflate their life vest at the wrong time.
01:43:07
Speaker
They inflate it too early. Oh, man. Yeah, most people die from that than the actual plane crash in the ocean. So it's not good. Yeah, they used to always talk about that on Mayday. It was like such a bad thing. They're like, oh, no, people panic and they just pull the cord before they've even exited the plane and then they're stuck.
01:43:28
Speaker
Nice. yeah because they can't swim down to like exit the plane through any of the openings so yeah yeah that's the thing in a lot of situations and even driving a car i'm like oh i've got to teach my daughter i'm just gonna tell her a lot of times just don't panic is pretty good rule of thumb whether yeah you don't know if you're up or down in an avalanche or a Like if you get sucked in by a tornado or a hurricane. I don't know. But then I was like... A lot of times it's just go limp. big truck.
01:44:02
Speaker
They say that's why like drunk... Yeah. yeah Because your muscles don't tense up. Yeah, like drunk drivers a lot of times survive serious car accidents that the other people will die because they're the only ones that didn't tense up.
01:44:20
Speaker
Which is... Very unfun statistic. Yeah. I love hearing that. Very sad. At least most of us nowadays um don't consider drunk driving, like, socially acceptable.
01:44:33
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I think it was a little bit more back in I do like that. Yeah. I do like that. That trend. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I'm not saying I've never, like, had a drink and gone to the store, but, like, driving drunk is not fucking cool, man. And we all know that. Like, you just have no excuse.
01:44:52
Speaker
Yeah. No, that is crazy, though. And, like, ugh. I man, I forget what was going to say, but like doing this research, I was like, well, I was like, I don't know what to pick because like you can try to Google certain specific things like near death experiences where people don't die or like, it's not just all about what they saw. Like you'll just get these little anecdotes and stuff. Right. And when you try to pick a case, yeah.
01:45:22
Speaker
Sometimes that's hard. You're like, no, I need an actual case. see and I just Googled, I just Googled resurrections and it went straight to Jesus. And I was like, okay, not what it intended.
01:45:34
Speaker
Hell no, we won't yeah And then I found an article that was talking about a bunch of like historical figures from like ancient times that also supposedly like different gods and like Egypt gods that are said to have been resurrected. And I was like, that's also not what I'm all like.
01:45:54
Speaker
Although does sound intriguing. Yeah. I was like, oh, damn. Yeah. Yeah.
01:46:05
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Shit. ah Well, I guess I figure forgot anything else.
Burnout and Taking Time Off
01:46:12
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We decided on a topic for next week and we, I thought we covered it. And then we were like, yeah, I don't think we've ever covered it. Let's do it. We both thought we had.
01:46:26
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Yeah. It's hard, y'all. ah try to remember all the countries, but there's a damn lot of them. More than I can name. yeah, it's fun to do different continents and cultures and stuff, think this would be a good one.
01:46:47
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Did you say what one? I didn't hear...
01:46:52
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ah Argentina Cruz. Crude crime? True crime? Okay. I don't know. If I didn't, we're heading to South America. Yeah.
01:47:07
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Woo! I don't know, man.
01:47:12
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it's her It's been a long week. It's been a long weekend. I'm taking some days off this weekend because I've just felt so burnt out between... you know, podcast stuff and work stuff. and And then sometimes I feel like I just don't go to bed in time. And I'm like, oh, I've, you know, had something to drink these last, you know, four or five days. And then you're just like, maybe I just need a good sleep and a weekend. yep and Yeah. Yeah.
01:47:42
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Taking a couple extra days off this weekend, even though it's not ah Easter is not a big thing in my house, but. Yeah, not really in mine either. yeah
01:47:55
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Still. Good time to hang out with peeps and stuff. We'll see. Alright.
01:48:07
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We'll catch you next time for Argentina a True Crime. Yeah. Bye.
01:48:18
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Keep it quick, too. right.
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