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Young Justice Season 4 Ep 20 Forbidden Secrets of Civilizations Past!
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Zuhair, Andrew and J Scotty resume their weekly Young Justice Phantoms coverage with their immediate thoughts and reactions to the fourth season's 20th episode, as well as addressing listener feedback.
The Attack On Titan video mentioned in Chrissie's feedback:
https://youtu.be/8XC0f_wlWak
The Attack On Titan video mentioned in Chrissie's feedback:
https://youtu.be/8XC0f_wlWak
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Young Justice Phantoms Discussion Begins
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On another exciting entry of Animation Deliberation, we are back to cover Young Justice Phantoms, that's Young Justice Season 4, covering Episode 20, Forbidden Secrets of Civilization's Past, and we will get right into that after some ads we have no say over whatsoever. Ads, ads, ads, for the cast of P.O.D.
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Sing along if you know the words. One, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah. All right folks, welcome back to animation deliberation, the podcast that takes action animation and cartoons seriously, but not too seriously. I am Jay Scottie St. Clair and once again, I am joined by my animation cohorts.
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And they are. Zuhra Ali. And Andrew Rogers. Welcome, welcome. It's good to be back discussing some Young Justice. How are you guys? Doing pretty good. That was a fun episode. Yeah, it was an interesting episode, and I am already prepared to explain all of the timelines wherever I have to. Yes, yes, indeed. I will say I'm a little baffled by the title.
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somewhat sense to me, but I still am just scratching my head a little bit about it. Did we really spend that much time with civilizations past? We can get into that. Yeah, there's possibly one civilization that came back up, maybe more of a house, but... Ah, ah. Indeed, indeed. I thought it was because we still had secrets.
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Yeah. Well, I did mention we are coming back to talk Young Justice because last week, we did discuss Young Justice last week, but in between we had an episode that was a first for us. It was a news and feedback episode. There was a lot of exciting news in the world of animation, so we just wanted to take the opportunity to really dive in and bring that to your attention. We also read some feedback that we were a little overwhelmed with, if you will.
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but not in a bad way at all. We put a call out there for more feedback and we got some responses. We've got that queued up right now. All right. So the first one is from Chrissy.
Attack on Titan & Corridor Digital
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Hey, guys, Chrissy here. I'm about to be all caught up on Attack on Titan, so I only have one episode left. So I'm catching up on y'all's episodes. Finally, I got to say I love Falco's look for the jaw Titan, the best out there of the three we've seen.
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I probably give my other thoughts after I watch the season finale next week. I should put season finale in quotes. But until then I found a cool video on YouTube explaining the scale of the Titan sizes in the real world using CG effects. It's a really cool video so I thought I would share with y'all so you could be as baffled as I am when it comes to the actual size of Colossal Titan. Well that's all I've got for you right now. Have a great week and stay well to Chrissy.
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P.S. Link to the videos below. If it doesn't work, the VFX artist reveals true scale of Attack on Titan by Corridor Crew. I've never heard of this video before. Thank you so much. It's me. Oh, geez. It's got to throw me under the bus like that, huh? Thank you, Chrissy. When you get to the finale and you hear me reference that exact video in the finale podcast, you'll have a good chuckle, I promise.
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Yes, I am very familiar with corridor digital and corridor cruise. So even before Andrew had brought this video up, I had seen it before, but I will include the link in the show description because we did not have a link for it when Andrew brought it up. But yeah, I recommend anybody that's a fan of movies, any of the behind the scenes stuff, they're kind of filling in that gap that I've been missing for a while. Like Disney Plus has kind of started to fill that gap with like their gallery series and
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their assembled series and whatnot. But I feel like Blu-rays have really been missing out on those robust behind the scenes features. And these guys, they have their VFX artists' reacts, their animators' reacts. They do a lot of just goofy, fun videos with visual effects and whatnot. So yeah, I definitely recommend them. And thank you, Chrissy, for bringing them up again. And when Chrissy's name comes up, I can't help but think about
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She did give us that awesome little image that she had of Captain Levi, kind of like a cardboard cutout that she posted in her car window where he was like scrubbing away. I don't know if we ever posted that to our story, but if we didn't, we definitely need to because it's hilarious. And I will make sure that that picture goes up when this podcast goes live so everyone can get this beautiful picture. Chrissy sent it to us. It's just a hilarious sticker of Captain Levi that we had a great laugh about in our group chat. So I want to make sure that everyone can
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properly honor how amazing this is. Yeah. And this is a video that both of you all sent me individually. And now we have Chris's email as well. So that kind of stands out how good it is. So if you haven't, go check it out.
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Definitely. Like you said, Corridor Digital is great. Just don't dig into too much of their stuff because then some things I say are probably going to sound like I'm copying them. I'm kidding, but I do follow all of their content. I'm a paid subscriber on their website. They do a phenomenal job across the board. If you want any information about how to just do things better in film and how they've done a lot of things in film, they are one of the better places out there. For sure.
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All right, so for our next set of feedback, this acknowledges our call to the cartoons that were our Saturday morning cartoons.
Saturday Morning Cartoons Game
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So I'm going to add a little spin to this email. Oh, I'm going to read down the list. And since we see each other video, if I hold up one finger, I want you guys to say yes, that you did watch this. If I do two, say no. So we have all the yeses at the same time on the nose at the same time. Cool. OK. All right. So email from TJ Stafford.
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I had to try and narrow down my list. Otherwise, you'd have to spend all episodes reading mine. You guys could probably make a whole episode just on this question if you wanted to. I'm sure there will be a lot of overlap with other people's list, but a few of my favorites are. That's why I made up this game. Are you guys ready? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Batman the animated series. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right, so no one knows. Batman Beyond. Yes.
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Superman. Yes. I forgot to say no. They wait for the finger. X-Men. Yes. Yes. Spider-Man. Yes. Yes. Fantastic Four. No. No. Okay. Gargoyles. Yes. Yes. No. All right. Pokemon. Yes. Yes. Yes.
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I know. Digimon. Kinda. No, it's a kind of for sure, but it was fun. Yeah, it was kind of watched like here and there. It wasn't like, yeah, Saturday morning. I got to watch this, you know. Yeah. Yu-Gi-Oh. Yes. No, no. Hey, Captain Planet. Yes. No, no. Sweat cats.
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Yes. Hell yes. Nope. No. The real adventures of Johnny Quest. Yes. Yes. No. Pirates of the Darkwater. Hell yes, I did. Never heard of it. No, what is this? Oh, you youngins. One more, one more, one more. Freakazoid. Yes. No. No. Aw.
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Hopefully I included at least a couple that weren't on everyone's list. Great topic, TJ Stafford. Yeah. I hope we made it a little more entertaining for you. I think that was a fun game for all of us to discover with each other. Yeah.
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I will say a caveat about mine. I have since gone back and watched Batman Beyond and Superman. I was just a little young for a lot of those things when I was actually growing up. Before everyone's like, you say you're a big Batman fan and you haven't seen Batman Beyond, I have. It just wasn't a Saturday morning cartoon. I'm a little too young for that. That's a good clarification because that was the purpose of this game of what was something that was worth waking up at 8 AM on a Saturday for.
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Well, because I'm going to throw out there, I'm young enough that I think the only one still really on Saturday would have been Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! Everything else was a rerun that I would have watched at a later time. Sure, that makes sense. Yu-Gi-Oh! was the absolute best, especially like the original. I mean, I really like GX, but the original Yu-Gi-Oh! was like, you had to know what was happening next. But yeah, for whatever reason, not to throw shade at it or anything like that.
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Yu-Gi-Oh! never grabbed me for one reason or another. I mean, I was into Pokemon and I mentioned Metabots last week and Beyblades, but never Yu-Gi-Oh! I don't know why. Yu-Gi-Oh! I still have my cards, I still have my dual discs. Okay, right on.
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It's great. I still have Funkos. Hey, if anybody has a Slifer or an Obelisk unboxed or happens to see at a store, let me know because Covid screwed me over and canceled my order, thinking there was no supply and then shipped it out the next week. And now they're over 100 bucks. So call to help a guy out for Slifer and Obelisk Funkos, because Raw is just sitting by himself. I understood Funkos. Someone out there understood all the words that you just said, but it wasn't us. I am desperate.
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Good stuff, good stuff. All right, that was it for feedback, correct? Yep. Okay, let's dive into this episode, shall we?
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Let's do it.
Young Justice Episode Analysis
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All right. I found myself enjoying this episode, but I'm a little bit of a mixed reaction because normally I can delineate the various storylines in terms of prominence and what have you. But I felt like every single storyline that was presented this week was of equal importance. And in some ways, I kind of feel like Rocket's kind of getting the short end of the stick in her own arc.
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Which is a little disappointing. But I was absolutely thrilled to finally get some traction with Beast Boy. Had such concerns for him this season. And finally we made some headway. Yeah, do we want to start there? It was kind of the shortest amount in terms of screen time.
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I'm going to throw out a negative before we go into the positive just slightly on this. It's just a monologue and I'm set on it. So go for it. Well, I just wanted to throw out. It was a weird moment and I still have mixed feelings about this that this episode gave me whiplash. It felt like.
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that it went from this story to that story to this story to that story that we were getting really good at first on Garfield and then they cut away to bear and forage or joking about their relationships and I. It was good to have that comedic relief because I think I would have been a puddle otherwise sure but it's still.
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I feel like they could have given it a little bit more impact on the first couple times he was talking to Dinah, not just the last one had they done it in a better sequence. Besides that, I think the entirety of what was said was beautiful. It was just their editing choices. It made sense to not make it too heavy, but also it did take me out of the moment a couple times when that happened. That was the only thing that I wanted to say before we dive into the huge monologue. So take it away.
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That's fair. I'm not even sure if that's a negative. It's just a fair assessment. Yeah, a choice, I suppose, is the word. Yeah. To put it in my own words, it felt like they knew that we needed to go somewhere with the character of Beast Boy to include him in whatever the final episodes are going to look like, but they didn't know exactly where to do that, so they decided this episode. And don't get me wrong, I love the stuff with Beast Boy, but I do agree with you. There were a few instances where it felt a little jarring to be going from
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such extremes in terms of like emotional payoff to light hardness, but like you said they don't want to keep it too heavy. This is a show for all audiences.
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That's fair, especially with something like, um, I'm not going to get too into it, but like with moon knight and some of the other like Disney plus series where it's like, it's focused on that character. So a lot of the emotional stuff is something you have to like sit with for a whole episode. I think we are getting a little used to that. So to cut between three different stories was like, no, let's let us sit with one. Uh, which is why I liked in the earlier parts of this season, it actually was focused on one, but
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You guys asked for more at once and now they're giving it to us. So my quick thing on it is this is from experience with people who wanted to avoid
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dealing with mental health issues. And one of the common traits is that you deal with the shrink part of it so much that you know what to say. It's almost scripted. And that's where I feared that Beast Boy was going when it was like, all right, if you're not going to take this intervention, like you have to go meet with Dinah for, you know, qualification anyway. So I was like, oh, he's going to fake his way out of this and then he's going to get out and then he's going to hurt somebody. And like, this is not going to go well.
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Yeah. So, and I felt indications of that. Like every time Dinah hit a check mark, I was like, there's no way she's hitting in a check. Like those have to be X's on her board because she's smart. I know she can read this right now. And I love that I understood her character enough to know that that's exactly what was happening. Because Beast Boy did go in there with like, I know all the right things to say, I'm going to get out of this. I'm going to get back to my team.
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and Dinah was milking it for a little bit but the fact that the second half of it was her actually like extracting what she wanted and actually triggering Garfield to have that breakdown that he needed that was just
00:15:27
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A-plus writing. All of that was perfect and amazing and I loved every second of it because this is a relationship that she's had with all of these team members since they joined. The fact that we're dealing with issues from being eight to being almost 20 and resurfacing all that and having that
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I'm going to say patient doctor relation. I don't know if she actually is a doctor, but like it was just fascinating. I love how they did all of that. It was the highlight of the episode for me. It was so beautifully done.
00:16:02
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Oh, for sure. And you could tell that Garfield, he was doing that act, like you said at the beginning. Yeah. And it actually felt like he was acting. It mirrored those scenes from earlier in the season when he was on space trek. Like he had that same level of energy that he was bringing to it where you knew, all right, he's phoning this in. And I didn't actually pick up on it until did either of you see the clipboard before she put it down?
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It was checks like with like no questions, right? Like it was just a blank page. I believe she had a blank page to make him think, Oh, I'm asking you these questions scriptedly, and then put it back down. I am giving the animators the benefit of the doubt that they didn't just put checks on a piece of paper. But I thought it was just a moment of Okay, now that she's getting into it, let's get rid of the clipboard entirely and really dig in in trench and just remind us that like you want to be in control.
00:16:56
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But she pointed out, you were eight years old. That was Queen Bee. What were you going to do? The Justice League can't do anything. And yet he still wanted to. He still felt those needs. He felt like he wanted to protect those people. And I can agree more with everything you just said, Zuhair.
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that they wrote it to a point that all of us understand where this character is coming from and we didn't have to have the tragic, he hurt someone first. They just let us go through this grief with him and I really like that choice and I hope they don't go back on it as we go forward because it was so perfectly done.
00:17:29
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Especially the medication part of it, where she was like, oh, so what am I doing to drug test real quick? And it's like, oh, I just stopped. And then the whole conversation about short term versus long term, which really triggered him. And towards the end of that, Ninja started cutting onions next to me, but I caught on to them really quick. So I didn't end up piling up too much. Andrew almost did a spit take right there. I did cry for everyone who wants to know why I'm laughing, but that was just a great way to put it.
00:17:58
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Yeah. Well, even before the mention of possible drug testing, and he indicated that he had just gotten off the drug so they might be still in the system, she brought up Perdita. She's like, why don't you call her right now? And he's like, oh, you could see the initial truthful reaction. Then he tried to play it off like, oh, we might get pretty hot and heavy with our makeup conversation wink. But I really love the comparison to his acting as if he was on that space show, Space Trek, I believe it was called.
00:18:28
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And he came in with the sunglasses on and so you can tell everything from his body language when you remove the sunglasses you have to see the bags under his eyes he was.
00:18:38
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trying to broadcast that he was being open and receptive to this therapy, but he really still wasn't at that point in time. And yeah, what you brought up, Zuhar, about people that have been in the system and have received treatment for so long and they kind of know the motions and how to... If she wasn't such a talented and dedicated therapist or psychiatrist, whatever you wanna call her in this situation, she might've let that slide. But yeah, when he brings up, oh, my trauma narrative, and she's like, oh, you know the drill.
00:19:07
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But then, yeah, just slowly but surely breaking him down in a good way, breaking down the barriers that he's built to get him to actually say what I think, you know, anybody that's experienced pain and trauma needs to say at some point in time, I need help. And she says, that's a start. That's a solid start. And we can go somewhere from there. And it's so relieving to finally get to that point with this character, because I love Beast Boy. And it's been really concerning and frustrating to see him in this, like,
00:19:37
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really defensive and self-destructive phase. Yeah, that intervention scene was definitely really rough to watch. And I think all of us just wanted to start beating up on him for being such a douche to everybody else. But you could see the pieces moving on that emotional chess game and it was awful.
00:19:54
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And kudos to Greg Sipes, because I know he voiced the character back on Teen Titans and Teen Titans Go. He didn't voice the character initially in the first two seasons of Young Justice, but he's really doing a great job of delivering in those comedic performances, but then also really capitalizing on the emotional payoff and defensiveness in these episodes that we've had in season four. It's really, really good stuff.
00:20:20
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Rita got named dropped on that episode, too. Who did? Rita from Doom Control. Oh, yeah. Everyone that was in his life. And speaking to the voice actor, I have to imagine he has gotten to grow so much with this character. We've talked about how Kari Payton, the voice actor who did Aqualad or rather Calder Aquaman in the last arc has just grown with this character.
00:20:44
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If you've been doing this since back in the early 2000s with Teen Titans and the same character all the way up through now, you have to know it. And you've done the childish side. You've done the joke. So it has to also be welcoming to bring a more adult theme to it and fully act out because it's a testament to both his acting and the writing.
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that all of us felt like we were a part of that intervention scene that we felt for this character. We wanted to see him get better. We, you know, we didn't want to beat up on him because we hated him. We wanted to beat up on him because he was being the person that we want to take care of and the person we want to see take care of the others that we care about so much. So for sure. I don't know how I managed to get so deeply emotionally involved in this show.
00:21:28
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to the point that it just like sneaks up on you and you realize after the fact, holy crap, I actually care about all of this is we sing the praises all the time and that's never going to change. Welcome to animation deliberation. But it's just amazing. That's what I have to say. Yeah, Greg, I've been playing this role since 1998. Wow. He is 42 years old.
00:21:56
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He still has a very boyish and youthful energy to his delivery. So he started at 20 with Beast Boy? Yeah. Wow. Wow, or rather 18 if he's 42 now. And he started in 1998, yeah. OK. I appreciate the quick math skills because I'm not that good at math. I'm only that good because I was born in 98. So he's been playing Beast Boy as long as I have been alive. Wow.
00:22:25
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What in the world is that? Well, I wish I could come up with a better segue, but thinking about the spans of lives makes me think about the conversation that Bear had with Flash, Jay Garrick.
Rocket & Orion Storyline
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I don't know about short life spans, but I just turned 102 yesterday and Bear- You're like, oh, you may be. I can't remember exactly what he said, but that's considerable. He just kind of turns like, oh, okay.
00:22:53
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You could tell he caught Rocket's eye and Rocket was like, don't. No, he's older. Yeah. Yeah. I mentioned how I felt like Rocket was getting a little bit of the short end of the stick with just having her stuck in these deliberations, if you will.
00:23:11
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with the new Geneseeans, the new gods. But apart from the humorous conversations, learning a little bit more about the Green Lantern, Tomare, and his relationship with the House of El as well as Planet Krypton.
00:23:25
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My biggest takeaway was, once again, Orion. At the beginning, we saw him finally show a little softness, show a little empathy, seemed to relent a little bit, especially when they were talking about Halo, and how the biggest request the new gods had was to take Cyborg and Halo.
00:23:44
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into custody or care, however you want to put it, because they're housing new God technology. And when Rocket brings up the point that she's going to be taken care of by her family, you just see that kind of glint of understanding in Orion's eyes because he is the son of Darkseid, but he's been raised by
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Was it high father and high mother? Yeah, so he just immediately says the new gods. I wanted to do the voice, but yeah, we basically- We'll send our previous request. Exactly, exactly. I wish I could have done the voice request.
00:24:22
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Yeah. But it does not take long at all for him to just turn around and go back to being a complete dick. Bear comes in and mentions that he mourns the loss of Superboy and they all have an opportunity to kind of speak to their own processing of that loss and their grief. And he's just, this is a waste of time. What does this have to do with the conversation we're having right now? You're talking about birthdays, you're talking about love affairs, you're talking about this comrade that's fallen away.
00:24:51
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Kilogra leaves himself at the table. I thought I put it on silent.
00:24:59
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Exactly. He's like, it's no more out of place than all these other conversations. It's basically bathroom talk. I was like, why is he getting like the camera put on him, like just putting his head back and chilling like, oh, he just dropped the news. That's why. I was just gonna say it's really hard because all of us as viewers totally agree. Orion is being obnoxious. But if I was in a UN meeting as a big deal and I had
00:25:29
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You know i'm not gonna use real countries i had mars over here i had the united states united i had mars over here earth over here and saturn over there i want to make sure this is a serious conversation where everything is important and then to have mercury role in.
00:25:46
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And try and give everybody a hug i'm gonna be upset that there's something big going on so as much as it seem like he was being obnoxious he was totally in the right. How everything had just fallen apart on the super serious meeting that they were supposed to be having to deal with human trafficking and right you know gigantic technology that could and plants gigantic technology. For such as.
00:26:11
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Over civilized country like so well developed. How do you not have locks on a door for an important meeting? Honestly, yeah We have like Secretaries and locked doors and conference rooms here How does super city not have an intercom like bear is here to see you now? Do not let him in we are in a meeting. I
00:26:38
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Like, I would have been OK if then he broke through the doors after that, like. Yeah. And what did Bear say? He's I don't mean to interrupt or throw things off in our eyes. Just like I highly doubt that. Yeah. Oh, it got me. That line got me. Bear is amazing. His appearance, I thought, was like overdue. I've been wondering like when he was going to pop up or at least like some mention of like where he's at.
00:27:07
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Yeah. And where has the...
00:27:10
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the sphere been, or was that resolved already? Did the sphere go off somewhere? I'm trying to remember because Connor basically had the sphere and Wolf as his companions. I think the only appearance we've seen of sphere that I can think of was the scene on the Kent farm back when he had to tell Superman had to tell his son about his uncle Connor when Wolf was howling and sphere was there. I don't think we ever saw anyone else
00:27:39
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do anything, I'm guessing they're both with McGahn now that she's back from Mars. But I'm assuming that wasn't a necessary to be resolved point as of yet. What was Lane as a sphere setting? Yeah, I just couldn't help but think about the sphere because Bear was so integral to the sphere being really entrusted to Connor in the first place. So it made sense when he brought up the fact that he mourned the loss of Connor as well.
00:28:07
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Yeah, and I will say on the topic of Morning Connor, it was amazing that every single person in that room had some sort of influence from Superboy that he had this far reaching power and honor. Because this whole time we've kind of thought of him as a sidekick. And now that unfortunately, after he's passed, we get to see he really did come into his own with the team with the power that he brought and you know, with all of the good that he did, and never really asked for that recognition.
00:28:36
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It was just kind of awesome to know how far reaching it was. Yeah, Tamara is like reaction of like his one regret being not being able to help Krypton and the relationship that he had with the people and stuff. It just it just set more of the story and like a big world that we've already appreciated for so long.
00:28:56
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Yeah, definitely the fact that he had a close-knit relationship with both Superman's father, Zor-El, as well as his brother, Zor-El, who I believe in the flashback in the exposition we got last week, Zor-El specifically, was a very high-ranking political member in whatever government Krypton has. I believe you're correct. Yeah. Well, with all this talk of Connor, it seems like a perfect opportunity to transition to that aspect of the story.
Superboy's Journey & Zod's Influence
00:29:24
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We've got Drew's- I like this much about Rocket.
00:29:27
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Well, unfortunately, I mean, she didn't really have that much other than some grimaces here and there. She kind of interjected when Forager said that he was entertaining the idea of staying with Forager. The one thing that I had written down after that comment was, Forager's a Disney princess. I just, I just met this man. I must, or woman, I must go marry her. He's safe. When he starts, well, I was going to say when he starts singing, but basically did in the post credit scene.
00:29:55
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Yeah, even a bug from New Genesis can appreciate some William Shakespeare.
00:30:01
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If he was his high school valedictorian here, you know that he knows some Shakespeare. For sure, he had to. He probably knows some Canterbury tales as well. A whole other can of worms. But yeah, let's transition to the journey that Connor went on being kind of led by Druzod through the Phantom Zone and really kind of taught how to exist within the Phantom Zone.
00:30:28
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Before they got to the, quote unquote, shelter that they had created in the Phantom Zone with House of Zod and the various members there, Feora, Ursa were some callouts, name-wise, that I recognized. One of my biggest standouts there was the fact that he mentioned it was willpower. Their willpower is what enabled them
00:30:53
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to be able to have actual tactile, tangible movements and make headway in the Phantom Zone in terms of construction and whatnot. As soon as he said that, it was like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. We're dealing with the Green Lantern Corps right now and they're all about willpower. How is this all going to shake out? Interesting. That was not a connection I had totally put together, but it makes perfect sense as soon as you say it. Okay.
00:31:19
Speaker
I'm scared like one of them is going to get out of the Phantom Zone, kill a Green Lantern during. Oh, my mind didn't go there, but. Well, can you have?
00:31:32
Speaker
I don't think you can do that because if you're not good of heart with your willpower and you kill a lantern, the ring then uses the AI we talked at length about last week to pick a new host. So I don't think they could just take the ring. The ring has to choose the owner. Like they could still very little kill a green lantern, which would be concerning, but I don't think they can get the power because if you're killing someone out of rage, even with willpower, you're probably going to end up
00:31:58
Speaker
With a red ring or a yellow ring or something along those lines being your What chooses you know what you know cuz like now we know that Razor can hold two rings Sinestro held the green ring for so long despite having like they developing malicious attention or changed at some point but like
00:32:21
Speaker
Well, and this is a little bit of comic knowledge of the Green Lanterns is generally speaking, you can do that change like Sinestro does because there are even comics where how Jordan ends up being fearful that someone is going to take over Ferris Air and kill his girlfriend.
00:32:38
Speaker
And Sinestro ends up taking him and being like, okay, you're gonna be my puppet now, and he switches over despite being one of the most notable Green Lanterns. I think it's more of a story note that they have them switch than it being as easy to just take a ring.
00:32:54
Speaker
Like, the reason Razor could have both is because he suddenly realized, I can be angry about things, but I can also hope that it's going to be good, because that ring still chose him. Like I, I just have this hard time thinking they put so much focus on the rings, choose the people, it would be weird for them to throw that away and say, Oh, you killed someone rings yours. I know willpower to restore your clan.
00:33:18
Speaker
Yeah, that's kind of where I was going with it too. It's like the best villains don't see themselves as the villains. So if they're very resolved in their will to restore the House of Zod, I could totally see a situation where they're not fearful, they're not necessarily rageful. They're just resolved in their purpose. And yeah, it'd be really interesting if it went that way. A Kryptonian with a ring.
00:33:43
Speaker
Scary stuff. You've convinced me. I could see it happening now. Yeah. I've never seen any ending of those. You got one, bud. Yeah. Outside of that, I would say the piece of dialogue, which was actually unspoken in a way that really struck a chord with me is when he first arrives in front of Erso with Superboy, and it's obvious that she recognized their longtime foe.
00:34:12
Speaker
And he just says, we're playing the long game with this one and all she, that's all she needs to hear. She immediately starts playing into the role that she needs to, to basically get super boy to the point that we see him at the end of this arc where he's kneeling before Zod. We've speculated about what this.
00:34:30
Speaker
All the episode titles are going to spell out and by the end of this episode we do have Connor kneeling before Zod We did it Jay Scottie Um, I will say I don't know if she necessarily recognized Superboy because I don't know if they have any knowledge of who he is because the whole timeline goes
00:34:54
Speaker
that they were locked in the Phantom Zone on Krypton. Krypton blows up and then they were never let back out until, well, either later or ever. So I don't know if they've ever come into contact with Superman yet at this point to have him be an adversary. Obviously, they don't like the House of El because the House of El is the one that locked them in. But I don't know if they have enough knowledge to link
00:35:22
Speaker
Superboy to Superman to the symbol to the House of El I could be wrong but From what it from the timeline that they've given us so far and like I said I was kind of ready to explain it seemed like that was all before and So far into the future is where Lorzod is trying to come back to the past to stop these problems from happening and
00:35:48
Speaker
Okay, see, the way I took it is that with the Phantom Zone kind of existing outside of time, like once they had been freed from the Phantom Zone and sent back with the Phantom Zone projector, which we learned in last week's episode with the exposition there, that this version of Ursa that we were seeing was not pregnant. She had already had Laura Zod and she had already combated the Legion of Superheroes so she would have recognized Superboy as much as Zod would have and that's why
00:36:17
Speaker
He kind of had to give her the heads up. We're playing the long game with this one. Yes, this is our sworn enemy, but we're going to...
00:36:24
Speaker
kind of put up this front in order to basically recruit him to our own cause. But that was that was just my takeaway. You could be completely right. I just took the line of we're going to play the long game with this one to mean, oh, there's all of these others that we figured out how to get them under our control because we haven't even talked about the very cult like mind control scene that we saw felt like, OK, we're going to have to play this out and get him under our control before anything happens.
Connor's Memory Flashes & Allegiance
00:36:53
Speaker
But this is where time travel gets weird. And I, I'm now having trouble remembering when they were let out the first time. So there could be a lot zoo hair seems like his brain hurts. What are you thinking? No, so mine was a lot more simple. I thought Connor just introduced himself. And that's how he found out that he was from the L family. So he never said L. He said, I'm the super boy. And he's like, if you say so something to that extent,
00:37:22
Speaker
Maybe it's one of those things where it's like, you got your grandpa's eyes. The other thing, what is this mind control? The cult-like mind control you're referring to? To me, that song that they were singing of the... I can't remember. Work. Work. Oh, I thought it was just like... Over the House of Zod. That was just a morale thing because they'd been there so long and they died for work. It's just like they just established leadership.
00:37:48
Speaker
I don't know because I don't think, if I remember correctly, I know there's one that is not of the House of Zod. Most of them had their own unique symbols on their chest. So if they're not of the House of Zod, why would they care so much to be singing and working hard and saying, we're going to do this for the Zod, we're going to win for the Zod? Did you ever watch Game of Thrones?
00:38:13
Speaker
Yes. Well, all those houses and clans coming under one banner, it's like literally there was a spat between two brothers and like thousands of people killed each other. I think it's just a clan loyalty thing, you know, like I feel like this odd family attempted to coup and all these other families like joined with them. This is just their way of saying or shouting out the king in the north.
00:38:34
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, so when I heard the song, it reminded me of Be Prepared from Lion King. So like I picked all of them as the hyenas and Zod was Scar. So again, it's just like the loyalty of like we have a greater objective at hand and Zod's the one that's going to get us there. That's how I took it.
00:38:57
Speaker
I could totally see either way. I don't know why the Be Prepared type Disney style song gave me some witch over a cauldron you will be under my spell kind of feelings and I don't know if subconsciously that is why. Because also there's a little monologue I can go on in a couple minutes here about the music in this episode and this arc in general has just been really good.
00:39:21
Speaker
Besides the point, I don't know, I was getting weird thoughts, but it could be that simple that his willpower and their willpower was coming together to do amazing things. Be prepared to probably have answers next week. Yeah. Well done. Well done.
00:39:37
Speaker
It was really fascinated that it was just willpower that got them to read each other's minds, where it's like, I have enough willpower that I want you to hear the sentence. It's like, whoa, that's fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, I guess just what kind of solidified the somewhat nefarious nature of the entire proceedings, the initiation there, for lack of a better term, is even when he first set foot in that colony, for lack of a better term, I think it was Feora that said,
00:40:06
Speaker
Let's show him, let's lead by example here and show him how to act and they all just take a knee immediately. Yeah, it was interesting. I feel like there is just a strong level of loyalty.
00:40:16
Speaker
Yeah. And there is one, I don't even want to call it a tease, but when I mentioned they all didn't have the Zod symbol on their chest, there was one of them that did have the S. There was some other marking on top of it. But it was an S character. I don't know what it's gonna mean. I don't know who this character is. I did see their name in the wiki, but I'm not gonna throw out what it is. But
00:40:40
Speaker
just a, huh, there's some, that's why I was so intent on these, these people all can't be focusing on Zod so hard because there's a, I'm guessing L amongst them based on the fact that there was the L symbol on one of the character's chests. Hmm. It looks like he just has a cut like Superboy does. Like it looks like the S and it looks like he just like got scratched by one of the devourers or whatever they were called.
00:41:07
Speaker
Okay, well there is a question does it look like a cut that a devourer did or was it cut before because we got that little nod that They go into the Phantom Zone away, and they don't heal or anything Could he have been betrayed and got cut across the chest and then sent into the Phantom Zone. That's why the symbol looks cut Very well could be older Superboy
00:41:33
Speaker
Yeah, Superboy's like three scratches across his chest. Like, that was after he... Right, because he says we don't heal here. We don't do anything here. We're just basically consciousness here, which is, you know, unfortunate for Phantom Girl because she's not conscious. Don't do that. Stop that. It's very simple and interesting. I'm not going to say anything of it, but I'm very intrigued to learn about him now.
00:42:02
Speaker
Well, outside of all that, Superboy, while he does seem to be in a submissive and allegiant position by the end of this arc, the other thing was he starts to have flashes of his actual memories where we saw twisted memories beforehand. You know, Zod himself said the Devourers are not the worst thing in the Phantom Zone. It might be this...
00:42:20
Speaker
Phantom Zone sickness, which they keep at bay through their willpower. When he mentions family, Superboy says family and then actually has the flashback to the team, to McGann. So I'm wondering how long a game we're gonna have to play before he actually gets all of his memories back and becomes the Connor that we know and love. It hit me in the feels. That was such a cute scene of them together. It was like, oh, put him back together.
00:42:49
Speaker
Oh, yeah, it was beautiful. And I don't know how this is going to wrap up by the time the season's over. That's the one thing I've been trying to wrap my mind around. It's like we still have a whole other arc, I'm guessing, of Dick Grayson, Nightwing, that we're going to have to deal with a whole other thing. How are we also going to have time to involve Zatanna or the Green Lantern, whoever's going to get him back from the Phantom Zone or the projector that's going on in this arc? Like there's so many threads that we still have to pull on.
00:43:17
Speaker
Yeah. And I don't, something's going to have to get pushed to next season because Young Justice hasn't set up something.
Lorzod's Role & Metron's Vault Secrets
00:43:24
Speaker
I don't know what it's going to be. Is it this? Is it the other thing? I'm so curious how this is going to play out. It's going to set up a five-year time jump, which is going to be referenced in season five. No. More than likely. More than likely. Yeah. Any other thoughts on Superboy's travels with Zod in the Phantom Zone?
00:43:45
Speaker
Now if I'm ready to go on to this other group. Okay. Travelers. More timelines. Right, right, exactly. Which may very well may be, you know, we talked about the namesake of this episode, forbidden secrets of civilizations past that could be a mention to Krypton and the House of El. But my kind of takeaway was I just figured it out as we're talking about this. Oh, what you got of the episode. This part of the episode is the forbidden secrets of civilizations past.
00:44:14
Speaker
That's kind of what I was getting at. Sorry. No, no. Please be more specific. What do you got? The entirety of his vault is just collecting things from all of these places. And Krypton has a dozen boxes we see at the end of different artifacts that Metron has collected.
00:44:33
Speaker
Yeah, there you go. These are the secrets that they wouldn't want us to find because I'm just going to jump right in here. There was the note early in the season when they were questioning how did this time or not time travel here because they didn't know how did this person get kryptonite to put into a bomb? You know, all of the kryptonite we've tracked across the galaxy has been right counted for.
00:44:54
Speaker
Guess what? Metron had some hiding in this place. It was the Mobius dimension beyond time and space, as we know, Mobius to very much be a term to be, that he had some hiding there, and that is very much a secret that is hidden away from the rest of the world. If he could stop Superman, that's a big deal. Yeah, great call out there. I hadn't made that connection entirely. I was more focused on the way Metron used the Kryptonite
00:45:21
Speaker
against Lorzod, and then Mantis was able to say, oh, if he's keeping the Kryptonite here, more than likely that's where the Phantom Zone projector is. But this was actually one of my favorite parts of the episode is even though these are our villains, our bad guys, it was really kind of cool to see this unlikely trio that really didn't seem too fond of each other kind of work together to achieve their goal, and they were all able to
00:45:47
Speaker
use their strengths to achieve this goal from the beginning with my alphalek posing as Orion. It makes sense that the new gods are looking out for Metron with what happened in the last episode and the destruction he kind of wrought alongside Razor to them actually being inside this mobius dimension. What do you guys do here? It's just funny because like
00:46:10
Speaker
I loved Metron getting pounded on because he's such a jerk, but I love how intelligent he still was in that scenario. So the fact that he got hit so hard through the boom tube back into his vault just to get attacked again by the other guy was like, man, he cannot catch a break. He doesn't deserve it, but he can't catch a break at all. Yeah, that had me wondering, what exactly does the Kaiser Thrall do? I thought it was just a souped out mother box.
00:46:39
Speaker
Is it? Okay. Because I'm kind of getting those vibes myself. It seems like it might be an element of what helps them either be in sync or out of sync with the particular time that they're traveling to. Maybe the time sphere is only capable of traveling to view times, but then once they're able to sync with the time, with the Kaiser Thrall, then they can interact with it tangibly and then
00:47:05
Speaker
It kind of seemed like they were using the Kaiser Thrall to make Metron constantly phase between various times. It kind of reminded me of a reference to WandaVision when, spoilers for WandaVision, when Monica Rambo,
00:47:18
Speaker
Monica, right? Correct. Yeah, when she gets her powers and she's like walking through Wanda's hex barrier there and you get to see all the various forms of her become united. It reminded me a little bit of that kind of seeing him get split apart and it seemed like various times and like he was being divided and that's why it was so painful. There was also, and this could be speculation because I love to do that. There was a essence of rainbow any time they were using the power of it.
00:47:48
Speaker
Could be Green Lantern power, could be something similar to Halo's power, how she has all of the colors. We've talked at length about there's so many color-based characters. There's that new mystery character that came up in the Tigris arc that was using the color powers with the different limbs and stuff.
00:48:08
Speaker
So it could be any of those, because also that character was a complete mystery that they didn't even tell us anything about by the end of that arc. So that could very much be a way that we tie Tigris and everything from the start back in, because that is probably the most disjointed of all of the arcs at this point, I would say. Is that one just kind of happened? Yeah, I'd say that's fair. I went towards Halo in that direction just because
00:48:31
Speaker
Metron made the mother box and supposedly made this other device that we're talking about. So when it turned rainbow, like I just figured that was the effect of like Metron technology. But it was really fascinating because you can see the shock on everyone's face when it started to like split and change colors and stuff like that. Like, oh, we're going to replace it there.
00:48:51
Speaker
Uh, but his line of, uh, uh, this is not the item that you see, but perhaps the one that you have, uh, for the prize, the prize. Yeah. Yeah. It's a delivery on that. I was like, I just, it's one of those characters. It's like.
00:49:06
Speaker
you you hate the person but you just love the delivery of everything you know oh yeah well he not to get too far ahead but he had a great line as well that i really appreciate as just a reference to sci-fi in general when he gets knocked back into the debate area the diplomatic area and he's like if you want to save this entire galaxy come with me to survive which is
00:49:31
Speaker
total reference to Terminator, which is arguably one of the best time travel sci-fi stories out there. There's no time to explain. Get in. We have to go. Yeah. Right. I did really appreciate the fact that Mantis was able to have a little bit of a come up and stare. Lorsod threw some shade at him when they were first being attacked by the baby sun eater. He's like, I think my awful ex said it only had a rudimentary conscience. So he was only able to brain blast it temporarily. And he's like,
00:50:01
Speaker
I can't use my heat vision on it because that's just going to feed it the solar energy it's looking for. And we know Mantis is good for nothing. It's just the bugs. No one appreciates the bugs. He just yeeted the box right into the ship and like nicely grabbed everybody else.
00:50:21
Speaker
Yeah, right? Yeah. He was just going off on his own and then just holding that up. Mantis has found the device. Mantis did it. I'm like, oh no, it's a forager. Mantis remembers how to use this. Right, right. He's like, good boy, I'm sure you do. Goes back one day.
00:50:41
Speaker
Yeah, and I remember when he was getting the resolve to stand up against the Sun Eater, he said something to the extent like, by Rao, R-A-O, I will do this. And he wasn't the only character. I think Lorzad also said something like, by Rao. So I'm wondering who this deity is. Is he a new god? Or it seems like it's a god that is unified amongst Kryptonians as well as new Geneseeians. It's interesting.
00:51:09
Speaker
Well, I feel like that was in the same breath as he was talking about his power. So could possibly be something that like wherever he's sourcing his power or, you know, some form like that. I could be mistaken, but I feel like it was in that same time sphere moment when he was talking about everyone's power set. A fictional star in the DC universe, Superman's planet Krypton revolved around it. Oh, well, there we go.
00:51:40
Speaker
I mean, Rao kind of reminded me of raw, which is like sun. Sure. Yeah. Like Egyptian. Definitely. Mythologies. That's what I was like. That makes sense. Yeah. And I had a question surrounding this arc. I don't know anything. I don't know if you guys know the answer. The green eye. Have we seen that before or was that a total?
00:52:03
Speaker
that's gonna come from left field later on.
Mystery of the Green Eye Artifact
00:52:05
Speaker
The eye that Lorzod found in one of the containers and said, is this what I think it is? And then the red swarm showed up and he tucked it into his coat and then said, we'll deal with this later. That is the one unanswered question of the fandom wiki. Oh, so the wiki doesn't even know. That's when it's so much fun. Well, TJ Fabian, I would love to know your thoughts because you guys are really good at this.
00:52:32
Speaker
We leave it to you. Please, educate us. We do have the trivia, where it's a metron seal of Krypton resembles a depiction of Rao and Krypton from the 1978 Superman in the movie. Oh, good old Richard Donner. Always loves some nice hot continuity.
00:52:51
Speaker
Yeah, it was interesting that like it was mantis that was looking through all the boxes in the end Because if the if a krutonian was actually looking through it, I'm curious like what else he would have been fascinated with Hmm, right there could have been like something like huge in those boxes and he was like crap crap crap crap This is what I need. Oh That would have been amazing if they get a little montage of him throwing things and we're just like wait, I know that what's that, right?
00:53:17
Speaker
Like, uh, like hella in, uh, yeah. Yup. Yup. Love it. Love it. I guess my final takeaway for this particular arc with this unlikely trio was that it was in the opening scene when my alpha like had posed as Orion and, and came back into the time sphere and was talking and, and, you know,
00:53:38
Speaker
debriefing his compatriots there, and he said it was so easy because Rocket had everything on the surface of her mind. She's so distrustful of Orion, and it's because he's the son of Darkseid, and then Lorzod's shock at that. He did not know that. He is a trusted agent of Darkseid, but he doesn't even know what Darkseid's family ties are.
00:53:56
Speaker
He said something to the extent, how can the Lord of Apocalypse tolerate such disloyalty? And it makes me wonder if he being the son of a similar despot, and with my limited background knowledge, knowing that Lorzod is actually a hero in the comics, is that kind of setting him up for possible redemption? He's kind of of the right age to join these group of heroes, right?
00:54:21
Speaker
Yeah, even with like the Artemis arc where it was like, who's telling the truth? It's like, well, obviously the one who hits the age group to be part of the team. Right, right. Yeah, well, I'm really curious to see how this shakes out because you not only have that difference, but I believe it was from one of the feedbacks we got that there was a child swap in the comics and that's how Orion ended up
00:54:47
Speaker
for the new gods, if there wasn't that swap, is it a betrayal? Or was that still a part of it that, you know, they took him from Darkseid for some technology or some information? Like, I think they planted that seed for an interesting reason. And I want to know what it is. Yeah. That's... And that was one of those moments because of Fabian teaching. I was like, I know why.
00:55:11
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00:56:46
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00:57:18
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He saw it. Oh my god, no, I didn't see that one yet. I saw the group picture before I saw that one.
00:57:25
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Wow, okay, and and that was DC's official page getting this very very interesting reaction out of us That's a lot of night meat enter anyways, so in honor of NFL draft week I was invited to the 323 with Reed Murphy once more and we spiced it up a little bit and we actually had a draft for animated movies and the objective was that
00:57:55
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00:58:25
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All right. You can't see him totally decked out in Commander's gear, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, yeah. I'm ordering the pizza, like, as we speak right now, because I'm ready to run downstairs and just watch. Not like I have work to do or anything.
00:58:39
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Andrew, you said you had one more final thought on the episode before we get out of here. What'd you got? Yeah, I just wanted to say the music has been phenomenal.
Emotional Impact of Music in Young Justice
00:58:45
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I always like to call attention to this, especially for people who like to rewatch these things to be able to go through and listen. Specifically, the music throughout Gar's therapy session was the reason that I think I was
00:58:58
Speaker
basically in tears. They just put so much emotion into it. They play with your subconscious the entire time. There was a mix of these inklings of the Phantom Zone theme with I think they made pacing different and a little bit of your volumes different to just make it seem that slight sinister feel when Zod started to take over everything. It was just so well rounded. And then I wanted to talk about it last week and I totally forgot
00:59:25
Speaker
Razor's theme was amazing they had this beautiful like beyond the stars star wars sci-fi kind of moment when he was flying away with the power rings right at the end it just felt like the screen was gonna do the clean circle wipe back in and the star wars fanfare was gonna kick off the.
00:59:44
Speaker
They had it orchestrated so well and I can't not bring attention to it when they do this because it's so subconscious that I don't realize it half the time and when I do it's just beautiful because they're doing so many things to immerse you right in and the music is such a big part of it so often so I wanted to throw that out there because I forgot last week and I didn't want to forget again this week because they did a good job and They've done a really good job this arc specifically Atlantis was a little bit more subdued. This one's just
01:00:13
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awesome, over the top for all of the new god stuff. Yeah, really selling that otherworldly feel. Yes, that's exactly how I would phrase it. Yeah. Well, as we're getting out of here and on the subject of musicality, and talking about a little bit of the cult of personality that we got with Zod, I will close out by saying thanks for tuning in. Rate, like, share for the cast of pod.
01:00:42
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There's a highway that stretches across the 93 days of summer where worship isn't offered to the sun, but to the smoking tire, the s-curve, and the spin turn. And if you ride it, make sure you do it in a Dodge Charger, Challenger, or Durango. Because on this highway, the lines being blurred are the ones between drivers.
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and demons. Welcome to Highway 93. The odds is a registered trademark.