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Godzilla (1954) [Commentary]
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Join Nicholas and Doug as they embark on a new podcast journey together. Introducing: MONSTER CURIOSITIES. A spin-off of Morbid Curiosities focusing on the Godzilla franchise. On today's episode, they will be doing a commentary on the timeless classic from TOHO Studios: Godzilla (1954). They get into some Godzilla production history, discuss how they limitations from the era benefit the film overall, and gush over everything they adore about this wonderful picture! They also make room for other film related tangents. You won't want to miss the start to this road that ends with Godzilla Minus Zero.
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Transcript
Introduction & Significance of Godzilla Franchise
00:01:12
Speaker
What's up guys, it's Morbid Curiosities now being dubbed Monster Curiosities.
00:01:21
Speaker
I'm one of your hosts, Nicholas Ewers. I'm Doug Damport. And we're going to be talking, well, yeah, we'll just break it down for them, I guess. We'll be talking, ah we're going to doing commentaries on the Godzilla movies, the the longest running franchise in movie history, the longest running, consistently running franchise.
00:01:42
Speaker
Okay, consistently running. Yeah, I guess because i was like, Wizard of Oz movies started the 30s. Well, then King Kong as well was 1933. They take a lot of breaks though because they're bums. I think Godzilla understands that it's just about...
00:01:59
Speaker
dense content density you gotta keep putting shit out make people sure people don't forget your name exactly brand recognition and also you know just keeping the lights on keeping your families fed Godzilla's got baby Godzilla we'll see in yeah later movies he's gotta feed that kid he's a big kid And he also is sometimes financially responsible for all destruction. You don't see that part, but like they send him a bill and and a lot of them he can get thrown out in court, but also that costs a lot of money to like, you know, fight those legal battles. So that's what he needs the
Commentary on 1954 Godzilla: Cultural Impact & Inspirations
00:02:37
Speaker
money for. And we're going to get into all of that in this in this commentary run. But yeah, today we're starting with 1954 Godzilla Gojira as it was originally titled. Right.
00:02:53
Speaker
yeah uh this description on fandango movies right is this what we're on on voodoo fandango movies yeah fandango at home voodoo as it will always be known to me i just say i mean that's like calling like no one calls x it's like unless you're a cop or something but yeah the app formerly known as twitter The everything app. Yeah. ah yeah That's where I do all my banking. That's where I do my taxes. a bit
00:03:24
Speaker
It says this is the granddaddy of all monster movies. And I get why they're saying that. But like, that's also not like entire, like if we're going to be pedantic, be like, well, actually, you my because it's like what a monster like if we're not that doesn't even say kaiju movies. They're saying like monsters. Yeah. Like it almost like the script was like monsters did not exist before Godzilla. I mean, we had, yeah, King Kong. We mentioned that earlier. And the universal monsters, like if we're just talking broadly monsters, like like that's that was like a spike in the popularity of.
00:04:00
Speaker
Yeah, of that. And we've got the Godzilla files, too. Let me just open up the file. That's a big file. That's a thick document. Yeah. um This Godzilla was based partially on ah King Kong. It was re-released in Japan in 1952. But it was also based on ah the film, the Beast from Fathoms.
00:04:26
Speaker
ah which is about like an atom bomb goes off in the Arctic from like nuclear testing, I think, and ah a dinosaur is awakened and rampages through Manhattan. Oh, that's like almost the same premise. Yeah. But Godzilla did it first. Yeah.
00:04:48
Speaker
um No shots at Godzilla. No, no. We love this movie. Yeah. Hey, I love the guy. i And also, it's just not just in Japan, like like American like sci-fi monsters. There were so many things where it's like atomic energy mutated a thing, and now you got to fucking deal with it. Like them is just like giant ants that got mutated. i feel like shit was always always getting bigger.
00:05:14
Speaker
and getting mutated or getting woken up by the atomic bomb. For some reason, spiders, I feel like were big in like black and white movies for some reason. There's a, I've seen clips of a big spider in a black and white movie somewhere in life.
00:05:30
Speaker
That sounds scary just having that you describe that Keep that away from me. And then that birthed the masterpiece Eight-Legged Freaks, which I've never seen, actually. I saw that, like, yeah, around when it came out. But then yeah I could handle that because that's, like, comedy. But, like...
00:05:48
Speaker
Yeah, I don't like Spy. Yeah, me either. um We are going to attempt to cover all 36 Godzilla movies, um Toho and American released. That's going to be our goal leading into the release of Godzilla Minus Zero.
00:06:05
Speaker
I'm really excited for that. I mean, minus one, one of my favorite movies that year. It's rewatchable as fuck. I mean, my, my dad doesn't even care about, well, he'll, he likes monster stuff. So like if some, one of these movies is being replayed, he will turn on, he'll be like, hell yeah, it's Mothra. You know, like he like, we all know these people. These are, they're our friends, Mothra, Godzilla, et cetera.
00:06:32
Speaker
uh but like i could see him getting locked in in minus one like he even strips was like oh wow like yeah you actually are rooting for the people in this one like like he was like like he's watching the other ones like being like i hope godzilla kills all all these bad people I mean, I get it because Godzilla is fun. He's a monster. So it's like, I mean, when I'm watching King Kong, I'm on King Kong side. Like, I'm like, fuck these fucking colonizers. Come to his island. Kidnap them. Exactly. Except, I mean, we'll see if we're on King Kong side and King Kong versus Godzilla. Well, my loyalty is going to be divided because they're like, that's my two best friends. They're asking me like which one to pick a side. Yeah. It's like Jacob versus Edward times a thousand. Oh, man. Edward easily. I was going to say, it's not. Jacob sucks. He does. He's a little wiener. All right. Well, we can get into the the movie
Sync Start & Iconic Roar Discussion
00:07:35
Speaker
if you're ready. Yeah, let's do it. All right. i'm gonna So what we're going to do is we're going to start the movie at zero and pause it.
00:07:44
Speaker
And then we're going to count down. 3, 2, 1, and then on play, the movie's going to start, and you're going to watch along with us. Most people probably aren't going to do that, but, I mean... Yeah, but you can.
00:07:59
Speaker
and we're We're giving you that option. Yeah, this is an official Toho licensed commentary. It's going to be on all future Criterion releases of the 1954 Godzilla. It's going be on the box set? Yeah.
00:08:13
Speaker
Doug, do you want to do the countdown? Sure. Three, two, one, play. All right, right on time. I almost did like a screech instead of... i was like
00:08:29
Speaker
Now, it's been a while since I've seen this one. I'm trying to like because he's had that iconic roar forever. But like, was it the exact like had they already nailed it out of the gate in this one? Or was it like kind of like an early one where it's like it's not don't know. He's not quite there yet. or or Or did he just come out swinging? He's like, yo, I'm Godzilla.
00:08:51
Speaker
This is what sound like. I think they nailed it out of the gate and have been using the same sound ah for years. i don't know if they're still using it to this day, but I think it lasted a pretty long time.
00:09:03
Speaker
mean, on an audio level, this movie persists to this day because not just the roar, the music itself. It gets reused by later Godzilla movies or they have some kind rendition of the theme itself. in this or it gets remixed in a rap song uh what was that simon says yeah shut the fuck up simon says shut the fuck up so it's gonna get taken down it's like singing the beatles we did under 15 seconds i don't know the cutoff is
00:09:40
Speaker
The Godzilla roar, too, that was a part of the research I had a little bit, was ah a leather glove being rubbed on the strings of a detuned... ah What was the instrument? It was some kind of bass.
00:09:58
Speaker
Contrabass. A detuned contrabass. Oh, okay. And Godzilla's footsteps is just ah the composer thumping on an amplifier.
Historical Context & Realistic Effects
00:10:07
Speaker
That's cool. Yeah.
00:10:09
Speaker
But... um Yeah, that's, ah I guess, the origin of the sound, and I think that's what we're going to be hearing throughout the course of these movies. These are some nice credits.
00:10:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think they said the dead speak. ah Yeah. The Palpatine sent a broad cat. No, that's that's that's a different movie.
00:10:31
Speaker
That would be something if they had an opening crawl. There actually was a live like radio broadcast that was playing leading into the release of this movie as promotion.
00:10:42
Speaker
So like people were already familiar with Godzilla as an idea. They did like huge promotion as like a lead up for this movie. um And it paid off.
00:10:54
Speaker
I mean... Yeah, this movie was a huge success. it ah It was also one of the first movies where they actually did a promotional lead-up into its release, at least in Japan.
00:11:07
Speaker
I mean, I think they just knew they had something on their hands. I mean, because like just conceptually, like
00:11:15
Speaker
it's just a loaded premise of... like Okay, so Atomic Blast wakes up this monster that now just wrecks havoc on Japan. I mean, like, I mean, yeah, we' we're going to talk about the bomb. this is a This is a sequel to Oppenheimer, you know? Yeah. This is a post-Oppenheimer.
00:11:36
Speaker
Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer has come out by the time this was made. Yeah, that is a fact. Yeah. There are parts of this movie, actually, that do kind of remind me of Oppenheimer and the moral weight that he has. Like, there's a character in here that we'll get to who has an Oppenheimer-esque dilemma throughout this movie.
00:11:59
Speaker
And i was just like, I do wonder if Nolan was inspired by this. Yeah, like, of course, the history of it all. But then he was watching Godzilla and he was like, wait a minute.
00:12:10
Speaker
what if I stole this? Like I stole from paprika. ah just love stealing from Japanese cinema. I'm Christopher Nolan. more ha ha That's a good impression. I was thinking while i was seeing the behind the scenes of, uh, the odyssey recently, like I was like, what if that's a put on? Like what if he goes home to his wife and he just is like, Hey, what's up?
00:12:34
Speaker
Like, he's not like, I'm Christopher Nolan. Yeah. He's just a dude. Hey, I'm Christopher Nolan. Fuck The Odyssey 2. I mean, I feel like he kind of stole that one a little bit. We'll have to see the movie. I mean, oh, brother, we're out. that It's like a blatant ripoff. That.
00:12:53
Speaker
There's a Simpsons episode that's about the Odyssey where Homer even says, oh is this about my Honda Odyssey? Yeah. That's a good joke. And Minions and Monsters just did the Odyssey. Did they really? I still have to see that. That's so funny. Yeah, it was like, that's so wild that they're doing the Odyssey a couple weeks before the comes out. mean, they're also Universal, right? Illumination. Yeah, Universal. Okay, so that's brand synergy. Yeah.
00:13:20
Speaker
It was all promotion for Oppenheimer. The Minions should show up in the Odyssey. Yeah. But back to Godzilla, ah we're meeting our cast here.
00:13:32
Speaker
Yeah, people were just on a fishing boat, and there was some weirdness that they saw in the ocean. They saw like a big light. Do you think that's Godzilla Awakening? Or was that the blast that woke him up?
00:13:46
Speaker
Or, you know, like they it looked like a bright light, you know, like because they say that that's. Oh, underwater H-bomb testing. Right. That like at a distance it would just be like if a nuke was dropped on us now and we were outside, we would just see the light and then boom. Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:06
Speaker
And now we're still seeing the same light radiating. It's nighttime. This movie, I think, even though it's like it's a little like grainy and fuzzy right here, I think this is a really good-looking movie. The framing is really nice.
00:14:23
Speaker
There's a lot of miniatures. Do you think that was a miniature, that boat catching on fire sinking? I think it was, yeah. It it it had that had that vibe, but it still looked cool. And I get what you're saying about like the framing and just the blocking of like these characters all like where they're still. so I hate to be like, oh things were better back in the day. But like so much thought was put into this stuff.
00:14:47
Speaker
ah and not Not that there aren't movies that do that now. It's just, I feel like especially when you're doing like a big blockbuster, there isn't no it doesn't always have the same feeling of consideration. Like, we'll see, like, when we get to, like, whatever the most recent American Godzilla is. Like, I don't think we're going to see shots like this.
00:15:07
Speaker
yeah Something tells me it it's it's going to operate a different visual registry. I agree. And this is a movie too that I think benefits from the old aspect ratio as well. You're just real up in the, like you're real tight on people's faces, but also like, I think it works well for the framing of Godzilla because he's so tall. The framing of him or just like,
00:15:35
Speaker
quote-unquote action shots, like when we saw that boat on fire, like it almost has like an old newsreel like ah quality. So like like when we see Godzilla with that same quality like like footage, it's almost like, no, there this is like...
00:15:51
Speaker
They filmed this back then. Godzilla was rampaging. Someone had a camera and they captured this. Keep all of that in mind for Godzilla Raids again because that movie does something and I think you're making the argument for that movie doing a thing that they do.
00:16:08
Speaker
Oh, okay. i'm i'm getting I'm getting ahead of it. We'll get to it, though. um This movie was directed by Ishido Honda. he ah He was actually like a pretty established director before this movie. He like worked in Toho for a while. um But yeah, I think that could explain why this movie looks as good as it does, as well shot as it does.
00:16:36
Speaker
Yeah, like they hired an actual director and put the time in. Have you seen any of his other stuff? No, I haven't. ah If you go on like his Letterboxd, he's done so many Godzilla movies. it's ah That's kind of what comes up first. But I haven't done a deep dive into other things he's made. And not just Godzilla either.
00:16:56
Speaker
He directed like Mothra and a couple other um things along those lines. I mean... you know spoilers for how we feel about this but he crushed it in this so like it makes sense that you'd be like okay do you want to just keep doing these you know like and he has to have some kind of like fondness for this material for him to stick because it's like yeah i'm scrolling through his imd it's so many godzilla and monster movies it's like most of his filmography yeah
00:17:31
Speaker
That's something that I've kind of found out about different. I want i think it might be Japanese directors in particular. ah There were a couple where I'm like, oh, I'm going to do a deep dive into their filmography because I've watched a few and they seem like they might not have a lot. Like Kiyoshi Kurosawa is one. You go to his letterbox, dudes direct to like 100 movies. Right. I'm like, what the And only fraction of them you can find here, or like you can maybe find it on YouTube in 240p.
00:18:03
Speaker
Yeah, it's
Directorial Influence & Practical Effects
00:18:05
Speaker
it's wild. He's been directing for decades at this point, and I'm like, it's wild that like it took to a cure for him to really break out over here, it seems. Well, and I feel like that was just rare because, like, also J-Horror was having a moment or starting to have a moment then. But, like, now it's easier for stuff to break through internationally because of streaming. I mean, like, we're just we're just more connected and paying attention to that stuff now. Like, the people who are fans of that stuff know where to look for that kind of thing. It was it was just rarer then because you had to wait for, like, distribu American distributors to even take an interest and be like, okay, I guess we'll...
00:18:46
Speaker
Like, get it for over here. yeah Have you seen Seven Samurai? parts of it i haven't seen the whole thing the only like uh akira kurosawa movie i've seen beginning to end uh this makes me a bad cinephile i've barely seen any of the stuff i i've seen uh uh high and low oh nice i thought you were gonna say rashomon at first because that's a that's like an 82 minute movie or something like that seems very watchable no i've i've seen the simpsons joke on it though when he's like He's complaining about that they're flying to Japan and Marge is like, would you love your trip to Japan? He's like, that's not how I remember it. Yeah.
00:19:28
Speaker
i mean, I like when stuff does a Rashomon story style. Like when The Last Jedi does it, it was fucking rad. Like when you see like... the night that Luke supposedly almost killed Kylo Ren from different perspectives. And then the whole, the last duel did that, like, like that structure. I thought that fucking, I mean, that movie rules. Yeah.
00:19:48
Speaker
Um, I watched seven Samurai. I think that's the only Akira Kurosawa movie I've seen now. I watched that this year. Um, a couple months back, I was sick. And that was just like the perfect time to watch a three and a half hour movie. I got to say, I loved it. It's such a watchable movie. It's great. You feel like you're picking up on so many other things that have like referenced it. Oh, sure. But, um, I bring up seven samurai, not just to brag about the accomplishment of watching a three and a half hour movie, but, um, it's, uh,
00:20:23
Speaker
The actor who plays Godzilla, I don't have his name directly in front of me, but it's in our Godzilla files that we have in front of us. But um he was also an actor in Seven Samurai, which came out the same year as this, and he plays Godzilla.
00:20:39
Speaker
and So he was having a great year. this was the same as Seven Samurai. That's interesting. Yeah. Great year for Japan. Great year for that actor. Haru Nakajima. Mm-hmm.
00:20:51
Speaker
And then he just played Godzilla for the next two decades. That's good work if you can get it man. That's awesome. Also, we're we' we'll get to like where we get some like money shots of the big guy, but I'm just going to say right now, we should bring back guys in suits for monsters. like Yeah. For monsters, for monkeys. Yeah. I mean, I haven't i didn't see that primate thing.
00:21:17
Speaker
horror movie the beginning of the year what i forgot was it called primate or something yeah it is that's a guy in a suit i'm pretty sure it is yeah and it looks real it looks like a real monkey i like the suit we my girlfriend and i we actually covered primate um you guys on this the morbid feed so you guys can go like check that out uh, if you want to, but yeah, the suit is good. I think it's pretty effective. You can tell it's a suit. Yeah.
00:21:42
Speaker
But I think it kind of adds to the uncanny, like creepiness of the creature. I mean, I've been pitching for the longest time that the Apes movies. Yeah. Planet Apes needs to loop back to it um ah because like the photorealistic animation that makes sense for like the origin of like, yes, these were regular chimpanzees before they started evolving. But like once they get more and more humanoid over the years, like it just makes sense to have a Duna suit.
00:22:12
Speaker
Yeah, I agree with that. Totally. um We've gotten some good shots of miniatures. This miniature house, whenever it cuts to the exterior. Right now, there's like a storm happening. I don't know if it's a tsunami or what the deal is, but there's a house that is crashing around this family. And occasionally, it'll cut outside, like right now. Yeah, yeah, That looks good.
00:22:35
Speaker
Oh, you can see his leg. didn Didn't Godzilla just walk by? Oh, man. This is very reminiscent of Minus One. The guy's screaming in the rain.
00:22:47
Speaker
already was thinking of Minus One during certain... There was a shot of, like, a watchtower at a beach that was like, oh, that kind of reminds me like, when we first see him at night in Minus... I mean, the shot the the scene here was during the day, but, like, it was kind of a similar setup.
00:23:04
Speaker
But this looks like a house to me. I think it benefits from being in black and white. And the smart framing of like when his foot walks by, it's so quick.
00:23:16
Speaker
Like and and like just just framing that that way makes it look it makes it look more realistic. That airplane looks a little... Like that's clearly a miniature. The weight wasn't that right. For the people not watching, there was an airplane that was crashed, kind of blowing away, and it looked very papery when it was blowing away.
00:23:40
Speaker
Yeah, ah not everything's going to look up to par... But like, you know, you can tell there's still thought put into like how to shoot this stuff. Yeah, I think this movie, it feels so timeless, I would say. Even though it's in black and white, this movie is so watchable today.
00:23:59
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, we're watching it today. Yeah. I know. it It was successful, too. We were able to buy it. This is the stuff I like where they're just going to have, like, basically, like, town hall meetings about Godzilla. Like, I feel like shint Godzilla takes the idea of scenes like this as, like, that's the whole movie. We're going to a whole movie where it's people in a room talking about this shit.
00:24:26
Speaker
Yeah, this seems like it's people who were on the ground during the typhoon giving testimony, and they're like, it's true, there was something something else was there. Yeah, because typhoon the the damage to, you know, someone sees the aftermath, it might just look like a typhoon or hurricane, and I like that connection of...
00:24:48
Speaker
Godzilla is just a force of nature. Like he doesn't have like an agenda that we know of, at least. I mean, he's probably just cranky that he got woken up. I mean, like you, we've all been there. i mean, you don't get enough sleep or someone wakes you up middle, middle your dream. You're like, what Yeah, just super. It's unpleasant. And, yeah you know, he's just stumbling around, probably looking for the bathroom. he's like, I've held it for a thousand years. I really got to go. It's so dark at night in Japan on the countryside 1954. dark.
00:25:26
Speaker
so dark
00:25:31
Speaker
So this is a scientist, I assume? He looks like one of the Godzilla scientists. that's I want that to be my job title, Godzilla scientists. Mm-hmm.
00:25:46
Speaker
So it says here in the Godzilla files the origins for the name Gojira are unknown. It got changed to Godzilla by marketing in Toho.
00:25:58
Speaker
Uh...
00:26:01
Speaker
Also says the studio executives thought the monster footage looked silly until they heard the score
Speculation on Godzilla's Name & Mystique
00:26:06
Speaker
of it. You know, executives, what the fuck do you know? You don't know shit, man.
00:26:11
Speaker
They also wouldn't, the director wouldn't let the cast or crew see the person in the suit when they weren't filming because they didn't want other people to think it was silly. They wanted to steam. It would shatter the illusion. Yeah.
00:26:28
Speaker
I get that.
00:26:32
Speaker
Right now there's people on a boat. Even if I didn't have confirmation that there was a Godzilla thing happening right now, i wouldn't go out on the water. like Because like water-based the tragedy just happened.
00:26:49
Speaker
Is this like a marriage or something? looked like they sent them off, almost like they were sending them off like a wedding just happened or something.
00:27:00
Speaker
Huh. Well, they should be honeymooning somewhere else because Godzilla's going to fuck them up. Yeah, I just watched this movie not too long ago, but I'm not too clued into what that subplot is.
00:27:19
Speaker
I was trying to look up if any, because like now knowing that no one knows for sure the origins of Gorgia, was like, come on, man, somebody knows. I was trying to like ah just fine find, find there was like even just like an inkling of where it came from. One of the rumors was that there was an overweight guy in the office of Toho. Same Gojira. They nicknamed him Gojira, and Gojira is like a combination of gorilla and whale in Japanese.
00:27:49
Speaker
But ah from what I heard, there's no actual like evidence that that was ah the real origin And then some people say that ah one of the producers or the writers like had the idea super early on and just suggested it.
00:28:09
Speaker
I kind of like it just being like urban legend. like We don't know for sure. like There's just whispers. Yeah, there's no like actual hard evidence pointing to any origin of the name.
00:28:21
Speaker
at least and at this point in time. If someone knows, come forward. We know you're out there. Now's now's the time. Speak speak your truth.
00:28:33
Speaker
And if anyone can release, you know, any other public and or not public information, just come forward and do it on this podcast as well. If you're looking to disclose something it intent.
00:28:48
Speaker
Some kind of day for disclosing could happen. Yeah. I saw a funny video where so they were promoting Minions and Monsters and it was the singer was doing like Bohemian Rhapsody, but in the Minion like language in Minionese. And then they combined it with the clip from Disclosure Day where he's like, do you understand what she's saying? Because because I do.
00:29:22
Speaker
That's good. I like that.
00:29:27
Speaker
So they found a giant radioactive footprint where the typhoon happened. They're just walking around with, like, they just confirmed something's radioactive. No one's wearing a suit. It's fucked up to hear documentaries about that, because, like, you hear the death tolls, like, from the bomb itself, of course, was massive. But then it's like, radiation has like long it like it like melts your insides but slowly like like yeah you can get cancer but also just like you'll just bleed out from like your your shit just is like dissolving like it's horrible that's something we'll get into around the when we're watching i think it's moth reverse godzilla but there's a moment where they're
00:30:12
Speaker
There's a group of people just standing in like a desert wasteland type of area. And they're like, man, the radiation here is off the charts. And they have suits on, but they don't the hoods or anything. They're not zipped or anything. And then they just stay exposed the rest of the scene. It's like, you guys just said the radiation is off the charts.
00:30:31
Speaker
Ooh, our first look at Godzilla, really. I do like this. This is very King Kong. Well, and because these older movies, you know, had limits, technical limits to them, like, they had to be smart in how this stuff was deployed. Like, I like, before we just got a tease of his leg, and now his head's peeking over a hill, which is also just conveys scale. You're like, this guy's big.
00:30:57
Speaker
Yeah, and that looks like a toy or a model that we just saw growling. i don't know if that was the necessarily a guy in the suit. I think that's more for like when he's stomping around. Like, yeah, like that had to be like something they built or that was just the real Godzilla we saw. I think that was just him. Yeah, he popped up and yeah the actor Godzilla. Yeah.
00:31:21
Speaker
He popped up and let out his iconic scream. That was nice to hear. i mean, the guy in the suit's basically his stunt double. Like, you know, like you don't want to starve that caliber. You don't want him like. Risking himself unnecessarily Not everyone's like a you know a Tom Cruise or whatever where they're like I'm gonna drive off of my own Or like I guess we have to let him do it No Godzilla's too valuable you can't risk him like that Now, nowadays, if you were to do what they did, which they had Godzilla in the background, but there were, like, real people on a mountain, would that be, like, digitally imposing two images over each other and like, modern film terminology? yeah It'd be some kind of ah something like that, or you green screen it. I mean, nowadays, they probably would just find a way to...
00:32:11
Speaker
just do that all in the volume, not even go to like a real location. Cause that, that looked, that could very well just be a bit of set, but that looked like a real Hill. Like to me, it looked, i you know, ah you could fooled me if that's, if that wasn't a real, real Hill, that was a real Hill. And that was the real Godzilla. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's a lot of other stuff. I like that image ah they're going to cut back to, but there's an image that they have of Godzilla looking over the hill, and I'm like, I kind of want that.
00:32:42
Speaker
the Yeah, that looks awesome. Yeah, he looks more dinosaur-esque. I mean, it looks like, you know, like I used to be really into, course, dinosaurs as a kid, but i was also into like cryptid and monster stuff. So like books would have like drawings of like the Loch Ness monster, which a lot of people like theorize is some kind of like prehistoric creature. But like it like the artwork looks like shit like that. Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:09
Speaker
um so A lot of like whatever they're doing, though, where they have people... I don't know if they're like... I don't know how they get like the people in front of Godzilla. If they're doing like some kind of perspective
Filmmaking Techniques & Prehistoric Origins
00:33:24
Speaker
thing. I know actors said that they didn't...
00:33:27
Speaker
act in front of anything they weren't reacting to anything and it was very silly and difficult because that wasn't a thing that people were doing regularly right but um i don't know what the filmmaking technique they did to do that is called but i think it really benefits from this movie being in black and white because the first godzilla movie we get to that's in color it looks very weird when the people are small. They have like a blue sheen around them and it that's not there when there's no color.
00:33:58
Speaker
It could be some form of, yeah and again, I could be totally wrong talking on my ass here. It could be some kind of form of like rear projection. Like if you ever watch any older movie when someone's in a car and you see like the background behind like, cause they're just on a set and like a, like,
00:34:14
Speaker
You know, a thing ah like a thing built like a car and then they're just showing footage of like the road behind them. But it didn't really look. I mean, maybe that's because that's like a different kind of motion when you're simulating like the street behind him. Like it didn't look like really like rear projecting like when Godzilla was poked. It just looked like he was there.
00:34:35
Speaker
Yeah, and I think that's because of the black and white of it all. yeah When we get to King Kong vs. Godzilla, it's going to be more noticeable. Yeah. I think these first two black and white movies look really good, though.
00:34:52
Speaker
So right now they're talking about the H-bomb. Yeah, I mean, because they're basically just going over the whole origin of like, okay, so he survived somehow by, he was deep down in one of these caves and then we woke him up, which, I mean, that all sounds plausible to me. It makes sense.
00:35:10
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Woke up an old dinosaur. Yeah. I mean... ah And that he is radioactive himself. like that That's the other thing about him is that he's just like a walking at ah atomic like weapon. like like it's You don't even have to be directly crushed by him or like incinerated with with his breath. It's just like, if you're just near where Godzilla shit could have, all these guys could be sick. you know like like The people who survive...
00:35:43
Speaker
you check on them a couple decades later and they're just dead from radiation. Yeah. Now, Godzilla is a prehistoric creature, though, within the context of these Japanese movies.
00:35:57
Speaker
That's what they were establishing there. yeah that They said like somehow he survived from the prehistoric era by like he was in these underwater caves. And then the repeated H-bomb tests fucked that up.
00:36:11
Speaker
And what's the deal in the Roland Emmerich one? Is it like an iguana that was nearby atomic bomb? Yeah. It's just a lizard that got ah ah immediately mutated into Godzilla size. that' That is right, right? I believe you're right.
00:36:26
Speaker
Jesus. yeah It's way more interesting and scary that this is a thing that's like, it's ancient. Like this has been around since before there were humans. Yeah.
00:36:39
Speaker
I'm excited to rewatch the Gareth Edwards one to see how they handle all of this. Yeah, how they handle it. And I just remember visually really appreciating like the scale of that one. He's really good visually in terms of like...
00:36:55
Speaker
like showing like how small humanity is. so like I liked all the monster stuff. and like I remember having complaints about like the story in terms of like the human characters but in and how it was all depicted.
00:37:08
Speaker
ah And killing Bryan Cranston. Spoilers. um For that movie. There's a train sequence in Minus One. ah There's there's like multiple setups where I'm like realizing now yeah where it came from. Yeah, because i in obviously in hindsight, like, oh, yeah, they're going to pay homage to the original movie. But I hadn't seen this for so long when I saw Minus One. And this is the first time I'm seeing it again since Minus One. So... Yeah, it's not a one for one, but they do the train thing. i
00:37:41
Speaker
When I rewatched or when I watched this ah a couple of weeks ago, I was just like, oh, yeah, there's a lot that minus one is doing. ah The news reporters on the rooftop in minus one. That's another thing i want to say this movie does. Also, their solution to Godzilla towards the end of this might be kind of similar to yeah what they come up with in minus one.
00:38:03
Speaker
Yeah. Which I always love that part of a thing because it's like he's unstoppable. How do you stop something that's unstoppable? I think the solution from this movie is the solution that they use against Ghidorah and Godzilla and King of the Monsters but it like doesn't work on Ghidorah and kills Godzilla temporarily. Spoilers for King of the Monsters. Sorry for spoiling the all the American Godzilla movies. Way ahead here.
00:38:33
Speaker
yeah but um Yeah, because we'll get to their solution in here, but I want to say it's they do the same thing in King of the Monsters.
00:38:43
Speaker
Because in minus one, they have like two plans. Like, good at first they're just like, oh, we'll just bring him down to like the bottom really quickly and the pressure will crush him. As he's going back up. Yeah, like like how you get the bends from like, right you know, like a diver goes down, comes up too quickly. They fucking get really sick or die. um that doesn't work and then they like freeze him right and then the one guy like tries to kamikaze i mean we're talking about future movies but it all it all ties back to the beginning so it's yeah
00:39:21
Speaker
ah you just said i was getting ahead of myself you just spoiled the most recent one it's okay I mean, you know, it's kind of like if we did... We're kind of spoiling the ones that most people have seen besides this one. Right. It's not like we spoiled Godzilla versus Space Godzilla or something, which I have seen.
00:39:44
Speaker
and there's like a direct line between what this film and those films are doing. that is like That's the you know what we're drawing. Because it's like, you know, if we were talking about the Carpenters Halloween. We, you know, you start, we start talking about the David Gordon Green movies like that would make sense because there's like a, I mean, he's just doing direct sequels to that movie. Yeah.
00:40:07
Speaker
yeah I'm pretty sure we spoiled the David Gordon Green ones on our Rob Zombie Halloween commentaries. Yeah, I think so. i want to give Kills another chance because I was so whatever on that one. ah and I'm an ends defender, but like Kills... Kills was like a funny movie, but it felt unintentionally so. Like, it just felt kind of sloppy. But like Carpenter said that he likes...
00:40:35
Speaker
like kills and ends, I think. And he doesn't have to say shit. Like he'll say, I feel like he's talked shit about Rob Zombie. So like, like you'll yeah if he doesn't like something, he'll say it.
00:40:47
Speaker
Yeah. Cause Rob Zombie said Carpenter didn't approve. Um, and Carpenter was like, that never happened. I love money for remakes. All right. So this boat is coming back. Yeah. This was like some type of wedding thing. I think.
00:41:05
Speaker
but postpone or reschedule your, way I mean, that's just a good visual. Yeah. Just because earlier it was this miniature boat in this bathtub. Now it's Godzilla getting out of the bathtub.
00:41:18
Speaker
and And in later Godzilla movies, i know we keep going to later but like you actually can see him like like like swimming in in the water, which is interesting. But I like here that it looks like like here yeah he's like submerging, but like when he stands up, i don't even it doesn't even look like that he's like floating or something. I'm like, that's how big he is. He's just standing up and he's going all the way to the bottom of the ocean. Yeah.
00:41:47
Speaker
I like the proportions make no sense, but that's what I see when I see that the ocean ends where guns, Godzilla's feet start. Exactly. That's how nature works.
00:42:00
Speaker
um Yeah. I associate the imagery of Godzilla swimming underwater more with the American Godzilla movies. But maybe we'll see that in the Japanese movies. I remember lot. Because feel like ones tend to show you the full body more, where it's like, yeah, I kind of don't need to. Like, yeah, if I'm seeing his feet, it better be like when there's a whole city there for scale and stuff. But like when he's in the ocean, don't need to see him like kicking his legs or something to be like doing a doggy paddle.
00:42:30
Speaker
I feel like we're going to get a lot of feet shots in the Roland Emberk one. Yeah. Sorry, Tarantino came in for a little bit. He was really excited. He was baptized in the H-bomb. They said that about Godzilla. That's a good line.
00:42:46
Speaker
It goes hard. Yeah. guy It's like someone wrote his dialogue.
00:42:55
Speaker
I mean, yeah, Godzilla's like an existential threat. Like, it's just a cool monster. Like, like i and I'm not saying, like, you know, I'm sure there's been people have dissected, like, you know, King Kong and, like, the meaning. Because, like, yeah, there's probably, you know, there's a commentary there about, like, imperialism you know colonialism or whatever yeah people going where they shouldn't go and try impose their their rule but like i feel like the thematic stuff in godzilla is so like you can't separate it from the like the movie is just like that this is what it's about
00:43:31
Speaker
This movie came out like two years after American occupation in Japan had ended. So they felt like they were able to actually tell stories that might have been ah suppressed by like the American government during that occupation.
00:43:52
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, this is just such an interesting period. And then when we go back here for Minus One, how that... paints like post-war Japan. It's stuff that I didn't even consider like of like, yeah, when they lost the war or when they surrendered, they're demilitarized. But you're I'm thinking like, okay, that word.
00:44:14
Speaker
Sure. I understand what D means. I understand what militarized means, but like you don't think about like what are the logistics of that? Like, oh no, we took away like their weapons and like their art, like they don't have the means to defend themselves. Yeah.
00:44:29
Speaker
Yeah, so what happens when a Godzilla shows up? You're fucked. Exactly. have Has this movie given a year?
00:44:41
Speaker
i don't think they have. Yeah, like, his does this take place, like, in the late 40s, is it just supposed to be contemporary to when it came out? Like, this is 52 or, you know, 51 whenever they filmed it.
00:44:55
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know if it makes it exactly clear. My, i don't know, because minus one takes place in 45, right?
00:45:07
Speaker
It's like immediately after the war has has ended. So like, I think, but I feel like that's like the earliest they've gone is minus one, right? Because that's supposed that that's earlier than even this.
00:45:18
Speaker
I wonder if that's the only one to actually put a date on it. I mean, maybe next to like Shin Godzilla is pretty like just modern. It's like whenever it was made.
00:45:29
Speaker
i guess we'll pay attention to that because that is interesting, like in terms of the setting. Well, because as they go on and they build out this world, it has its own lore and mythology. So it almost becomes like a timeless thing. Yeah.
Godzilla's Return & Moral Dilemmas
00:45:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:43
Speaker
Because they've got two movies in the 50s, then they take a decade off and come back in 62, 64, something like that. That sounds right. And then they're in color when they come back.
00:45:59
Speaker
Have you heard that John Mulaney joke about like the Beatles when Color came out and they came they first premiered like a song in color, they all had beards. like that They they like went away they're like all had to figure out what their thing was going to be. And then they came back and all had, be I was just thinking of Godzilla went away for a decade, came back and then he had a beard. He's like, this is my thing now. Yeah.
00:46:30
Speaker
They're talking about German scientists and Swiss scientists that could possibly help out with the solution. so like, I don't know any scientists. I mean, that's an interesting plot line land of like, can these Nazi scientists help us with Godzilla?
00:46:45
Speaker
Yeah. Just the idea of resourcing scientists from another country, that feels very Oppenheimer to me. Yeah.
00:46:57
Speaker
I think Nolan stole that. Because realistically... Die patch too, that's very Oppenheimer. Once other countries learn that there is a giant monster, like maybe they might not be rushing to help Japan because Japan just was the bad guy in a war, but like...
00:47:14
Speaker
ah they would have some kind of interest of like, huh, that's it. They wouldn't just be like, all right, whatever. That's none of our business. There's a monster down there. They 28 years later. it yeah like night cornerine it we don't talk about that. We don't talk about Japan.
00:47:32
Speaker
Or would it be like a shape of water, like arms race where other countries are like, because the cold war has started now at this point, like the U S and Soviet Union are like, we should have a giant monster. Like let's fucking get it. Like, yeah, I feel like.
00:47:48
Speaker
Every buddy attempts to kill this thing because it's like, even if it's not affecting your country, it's right in your backyard. I would just hold up like a Three Musketeers bar, offer him some candy and befriend him.
00:48:05
Speaker
And I think he would be cool. He would sense my vibe was chill. What does Godzilla eat? Because we don't see him eat people. Yeah, he just kind of accidentally steps on them.
00:48:21
Speaker
But there are scenes where he's like picking up like buildings and shaking them, and then people fall down. And you have to wonder, like some of those fall into his mouth, I assume, but like that's not his main nerve. He's from the seas. Probably fish, sea animals, then. Like whales or something? Yeah. Because he's a big guy, so I assume he's got to go for like whatever the big... Sharks, whales...
00:48:43
Speaker
Yeah, that would be my guess. I think that's a good bet. You should see him surface and then there's just like tentacles coming out of his mouth like he just ate a giant octopus or something. Yeah. And he's like smacking his lips. like Doug, I mean, you're predicting a future Godzilla movie.
00:49:02
Speaker
Okay, hell yeah. Because there is a giant squid octopus thing he fights, right, at some point? Yeah, the special effects artist actually wanted Godzilla to be a giant octopus, but the producer, the main producer who came up with this idea and got it off the ground put his foot down and was like, no, it's going to be a dinosaur hybrid. I i think that was the right move. I mean, like giant squids, krakens, octopi, like they can be freaky, but it's also more of a known thing, unless you're going to go in like a really weird, like Lovecraftian
00:49:37
Speaker
angle with it but like i i feel like there's something to it's like we know what a dinosaur is but we also know that they should not be around now yeah so like the like the familiarity of it but then also it being off is like it it makes it it it adds to like the horror of it yeah So this guy we're watching right now is like the Oppenheimer figure that I was talking about who's pretty tortured. got a sick eye patch. Yeah, he does. ah I think he was involved with the creation of the H-bomb.
00:50:17
Speaker
And now he's like, I have a method that could kill Godzilla, and it's the O-bomb that they use against Ghidorah and King of the Monsters. And he's like, but I can't um give this to humanity because of what we've done with nuclear weapons.
00:50:35
Speaker
I mean, fair. very Oppenheimer, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's also a fair stance to have because it's like, maybe we shouldn't have that shit. You know? Like... even He was like, what does this lead to? If we use this to kill Godzilla, yeah are we just deploying O-bombs all the time?
00:50:55
Speaker
i mean just I think the O-bomb removes all oxygen from the area that it explodes sounds bad. Yeah. It sounds like a really bad thing.
00:51:09
Speaker
I could be wrong, but I feel like if I'm pulling all this from King of the Monsters because I want to say O-Bomb was like the big thing and they totally fuck up in that movie. No, it's it's interesting though because it's like he was created by H-Bomb, or not created, but like this problem was started with a bomb and then our solution is like, throw another bomb at it um Yeah. How about a bigger bomb?
00:51:33
Speaker
There's always a bigger bomb. What if the bomb has a different letter?
00:51:42
Speaker
Do we? Okay, so i've know very little about Oppenheimer's life besides what's in the Nolan movie, but we have to assume he saw Godzilla at some Oh, of course, yeah, because he lived past the Yeah, he lived until, don't know, like 70s something. I don't know. Like, he lived for, yeah, a couple decades. Yeah, it's hard to tell because the future of the movie is black and white, and usually the past is in black and white. It's a clever subversion. Yeah, Nolan really liked playing with time. Yeah.
00:52:21
Speaker
We know this movie's in the past because it's shot in black and white. Do people really used to live in black and white? Like, they just walked around, like, the Pleasantville, and it was just like, that was what it was. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. That's crazy.
00:52:37
Speaker
I do like the houses. i for some reason, love a Godzilla movie when it's just people chilling at their in their nice, relaxing-looking house.
00:52:48
Speaker
These movies need more eating, I will say. If you're going to be in a house, cook up some meals. Yeah, and like show it like add some food porn. Mm-hmm. Why not?
00:53:00
Speaker
Are you listening, director of Godzilla Minus Zero? Yeah. A film that's already been completed, but you can go back. yeah there's time for American movies do last minute reshoots all the time. Giancarlo Esposito wasn't even in ah whatever Captain America 4 was called, Brave New Captain, until a few months beforehand. They honestly have the time to go do that because this movie had a six-month production ah length from pre-production all the way till completion.
00:53:34
Speaker
And it like the script was done in June. It started filming in August, wrapped in October, and was released in November. Damn. Yeah. So if they could do that with this in the 50s, you could add some food shots. and They just used to crank shit out. Maybe we should go back to the evil studio stuff. Yeah.
00:53:54
Speaker
Where the just people with whips write that, edit that, cut that film. Yeah. You just in a room in a bunker writing and you never see your family.
00:54:07
Speaker
i mean, we do that to animators already. That's yeah, but they're not people. Yeah. did Lord and Miller have like the Beyond the Spider-Verse animators? do and that That movie's not coming out till since you're 2040? mean, Seth Rogen came under fire for how the animators on Sausage Party were treated.
00:54:26
Speaker
We all forgot about that. Yeah, because he you probably did a... He was like... Yeah. He was like, oh, you're so funny, man. You should do a movie with Olivia Wilde where it's like your best performance.
00:54:40
Speaker
And then he did. interesting. I mean, that's a good shot. Yeah. Godzilla's walking around at night, storming through. See, people are running away. Like, it's not just the black and white. I think the shooting it at night is like helps the effects. But then it just makes him scarier. looks so big.
00:55:00
Speaker
I do not want to be around. Oh, these people on their train are fucked. How do they not even notice or like hear? Because their steps would be like thunderous. like You would hear it from so far away. Yeah.
00:55:14
Speaker
Oh, shit.
00:55:19
Speaker
Yeah, this is really good work. um this i They said all the special effects stuff was directed by the special effects artist. There's the Godzilla minus one shot, trains in his mouth.
00:55:33
Speaker
um I wonder if this is what they mean. Like these shots were directed by the special effects artist. That makes sense. And it makes sense you would want to give someone who has like some kind of like experience with That type of stuff. um But see, like when he had the train car in his mouth, that's what I'm saying. Like, you're telling me that not a few people from that train car didn't fall into his mouth? Probably. He's probably had a taste, you know? He's like, oh, what that shit? Just dropped in there. But he's pespitarian?
00:56:05
Speaker
Maybe, but like, what if he got a taste for blood? Yeah. I like him grabbing the thing. See, that looks real. It's because it is.
00:56:16
Speaker
ah Yeah. That looks so good. ah I guess the suit weighed 200 pounds. The actor, ah yeah Yamada, was that his name? I forgot his name. um He had to like get in shape for this, but he passed out multiple times while shooting it and almost drowned in one of the water scenes.
00:56:39
Speaker
That's crazy, but also worth it. Yeah. I mean, he can he kept came back to the role. Yeah. So I think he understood the value. ah The suit dictated the performance too, and nobody knew how to direct him. Yeah.
00:56:55
Speaker
They also wanted to do Godzilla and stop motion, but they were like, we have six months to do this. Like, none of you guys know how to do stop motion. Stop motion takes so long. So they invented soupmation. That's what they called it.
00:57:09
Speaker
This was the first case of soupmation. So now they're pitching electrocuting him. Yeah. I like that they're just throwing shit at the board. They're just like, I don't know if we just like shock them or something. An idea that they repeatedly come back to in these movies. Which, ah to be fair, like if this is a continual problem you have to deal with, you're going to only have so many solutions. So you're just going cycle through. Like, did we try the electrocution? I don't know. Let's do that one. Electrocute them a little higher. This one's a million volts. Up up the voltage. Yeah.
00:57:44
Speaker
but But I also just like in that last destruction, nighttime destruction scene, he like smashed some trains, bridges, and then he just dipped back into the water. Like it is literally just like a typhoon or like a force of nature. Like it's, it's, it does doesn't feel like malevolent. Like he's like, yeah, fuck those people. Like he's like doing it spitefully. He just comes, does this thing and then leaves.
00:58:12
Speaker
Yeah, it's like he's just traveling, getting from point A to point B, essentially. And yeah ah we're all in his way. We are in his way. Get out his way. Also, don't wake him up. He was c was not bothering anybody.
00:58:29
Speaker
i like these tanks. These are real, though. All these military vehicles. I learned something new about stop motion, actually. I don't even think it was through the Godzilla movies. But for shooting vehicles, I guess you have to shoot them at double the speed or something and then slow it, cut it in half. Oh, okay. So it looks like it has more weight to it.
00:58:57
Speaker
So I think a lot of like the vehicle stuff we see in early stop motion is like slowed down footage. That makes sense.
00:59:07
Speaker
that makes a lot of sense uh so they do have some kind of military to throw at this because like like that makes me think that this is more in the fifth like you know contemporary to win this was filmed rather than like at the end of the like like minus one when it's like directly after the war and they got nothing like they have to borrow like uh like an air aircraft carrier from America. Like, like that, that they, they don't even have any ships other than fishing ships.
00:59:38
Speaker
This looks like, yeah, we, we, I don't know the tanks and stuff are around.
Military Futility & Strategic Monster Screen Time
00:59:43
Speaker
Yeah. They got a bunch of knobs and, you know, different things, whatever you call those levers. Yeah. Doodads. Exactly. They have a radio special news report. I love these where they're like, Godzilla is coming.
01:00:00
Speaker
Get out of there. You should leave. There's been a Godzilla sighting near Tokyo. Everybody leave. How come these people are just chilling? I don't think that.
01:00:12
Speaker
Well, they did say to evacuate, but I don't think Godzilla um has been spotted. Okay. I don't know. I would just leave the whole general area. Is this guy military? That was a weird cut.
01:00:24
Speaker
Yeah, it was a little weird. Okay. She was already standing, and then they went and cut from her back to her sitting and getting up and walking away. She teleported.
01:00:37
Speaker
Man, I was watching Manhunter the other day, um and the ending is cut ah in weird ways like that. Well, because didn't they literally run out of money or something while they were shooting it? and like yeah I feel like they had to...
01:00:55
Speaker
Because it's like very different from the ending of the book. At least that's what friends who've read the Hannibal books are always telling me. like The book's way different. and I'm like, all right, shut up. And knock their glasses off their face. Yeah. But ah yeah, the Manhunter had a 4K restoration of the final cut, which I don't know if that's the one that's streaming, but ah the music box is showing it. Rocia took me for my three-year sobriety anniversary. It was like hell yeah a surprise. Yeah. Also, congrats on three years. Oh, thank you. Yeah, it was a a pretty big surprise, but it was it was it was a cool experience. how I'd be interested to see what's different for that cut, because he is kind of known for tinkering with his stuff, not to like a a Lucas degree. He's not like adding...
01:01:45
Speaker
What's the lounge singer from Return to the Jedi? Oh, I don't know the name, but I know who you're talking about. Is it Cy Snoodles or some some bullshit like that? Totally ruins the beginning of Return of the Jedi. A thing that used to be my favorite thing as a kid. I would just, Return the Jedi was my favorite as a kid just because I love the Jabba rescue stuff so much. I was like, that's what movies are.
01:02:06
Speaker
Mm hmm. Rescuing dudes. A really convoluted rescue plan. Because you think about it for even a second. You're like, they have the whole like rebel military. Why don't they just show up with some X-Wings and announce Jabba, release Han Solo or fucking drop a bomb?
01:02:27
Speaker
I agree. Sorry, I pointed to the screen like Leonardo DiCaprio in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood because the radio was like, Godzilla has been spotted. It's what we've been waiting for. No, I mean, I point to the screen whenever Godzilla shows up or people talking about Godzilla. Godzilla's not on screen. Everyone should be asking, where's Godzilla?
01:02:47
Speaker
ah That's all I would do as a kid. I would be like, why aren't these movies loaded with Godzilla front to back? The people? Get out of here. It would be kind of frustrating the lack of Godzilla in some of these movies, watching them as as a real little kid.
01:03:03
Speaker
now i can appreciate like the, you can see like the filming limitations and the smart deployment of what they had. Like yeah I can, have like as a film and like, you know, like in film, the filmmaking in it, like I really appreciate appreciate that stuff. So like, yeah, now I get way more out of it. As a kid, you're like, you're clocking. You're like, it's been minutes since I've seen Godzilla.
01:03:29
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, these are, ah Pretty awesome miniatures. Earlier we saw a shot of, a what's his name, Nakajima, drowning in the water.
01:03:42
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That was probably it.
01:03:47
Speaker
That looks good. That suit looks fucking hefty, too.
01:03:54
Speaker
It makes so much sense that the creator of Evangelion went on to make a Godzilla movie. Like he did did Shin Godzilla because like so much of that show is scenes like military personnel like figuring out. It's like a po somewhat post-apocalyptic scenario where it's like there was this huge explosion that took out like a large part of Japan like when these like alien like giant alien kaiju, they're called like eight angels, showed up. But like the like the whole process of how they deploy like, you know, the mechs and stuff to fight the angels, like it feels a lot like the military scenes in this. Yeah.
01:04:37
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And this is like... The scene in this movie, I'd say. The shirt I'm wearing, I'm wearing a King of All Monsters shirt. Hell yeah. King of the Monsters, an old school Godzilla shirt.
01:04:49
Speaker
And it's him walking through the electrical wires. I like that the fire or the atomic breath is kind of like fog almost. Yeah. And the cables melting, the scale of Godzilla is really good.
01:05:04
Speaker
Him in the houses with the miniature. It feels like fucking shit is like really popping off. I mean, it just feels like an insurmountable threat. Like, oh, that's so good. Yeah.
01:05:16
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Like, it is interesting to see the evolution of his atomic breath because I kind of really like that. That, like, it just looks like. so it's like he has really bad breath. and It's like it's lighting shit on fire. Yeah. Like when the fog or mist from the breath touches everything, it just gets engulfed in flames. They have all these miniatures on fire.
01:05:38
Speaker
it looks so good. It does. Yeah, that's fantastic. Because it's just like he's just shooting like a concentrated cloud of like radiate. Like, yeah, all those people are fucked. People are dying. How did they not?
01:05:56
Speaker
Why are they standing there? Leave. I thought they were evacuating the city. They're just like, huh, that's weird. The fire department showed up. A lot of good they're going to spray them with water. Yeah.
01:06:10
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See, shots like that. I'm like, is that the suit you think? I don't know because like, yeah, the suit had limitations on how it moved. So it kind of was stiff like that. But then looking at its eye, like the head looked like so concrete and solid.
01:06:28
Speaker
I wonder if that's like some type of toy or miniature of Godzilla that they had. um These are all miniatures, I think. All these like fire trucks.
01:06:42
Speaker
I think so. I mean, you can't stop this guy. Like, I'm i'm sorry. like and Those are miniatures. This is a very I Love Boosters.
01:06:55
Speaker
Hell yeah. I wanted to cheer when that whole last like chase sequence turned into that. i mean, that's why you give Boots Riley money. It's the best part of the whole thing. I ah minute i just i love a good miniature at like this point in my life, and boosters scratch that itch, and these Godzillas really scratched i mean i used to love watching like uh i believe his name was ray harryhausen would do like monster effects he did the the beast from 20 000 fathoms oh that was him yeah yeah and he also did like the seven voyages of sinbad jason the argonauts had like there's like a giant colossus that as a kid i used to just call robot man because he's like a big metal guy With the X-Men Colossus? No, but I mean, he doesn't look dissimilar from it. He's a big metal guy.
01:07:51
Speaker
I like that they are just like throwing everything they have at Godzilla and he just is walking through it causing all of this destruction. It doesn't even phase him. It feels like they're desperate right now. Like they're truly desperate. And the visual of him walking through the smoke from their like shells they're firing at him. It's kind of like like this is not phasing him. And those are the electric cables, I assume, that they were talking about?
01:08:17
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Godzilla's just shooting his atomic breath through them, probably melting them.
01:08:24
Speaker
Because now... More people in the room, they're like, fuck, our plan sucks.
01:08:35
Speaker
I mean, but that is, like, the structure here, because it's like, they keep... They're like, I don't know, just throw a thing at them. Like, is that going to do anything? No, nothing. You can't stop They're like, well, shit, man. Like, i don't know. He's fucking everything The whole city's gone. People are dead. At a certain point, there should just be a guy in the room with like cyanide pills. Like, guys, we tried. yeah like I think it's time we called it. and Give one out to everybody in the country. Godzilla won.
01:09:07
Speaker
It's just the end of begonia, but for Japan, everyone took cyanide pills. And Godzilla is just sitting on a throne. Yeah.
01:09:19
Speaker
Sitting on a throne like the end of Black Adam. Yeah. So when I think of throne scenes, I think of that. This is another franchise that takes it to space as well.
01:09:30
Speaker
um I formed it that way to not spoil Begonia, but I guess spoilers for Begonia. It's been out for a while. You you guys should have seen Begonia. Yeah. Also, check out the original Korean movie, Save the Green Planet. it's They're both great.
01:09:44
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um What year did that come out? Early two thousand s right? think that sounds right. I was kind of hoping that like once Begonia was out, because like the original guy was like a producer on the new one. So i was like, oh, does that mean we get like a re-release? So maybe it'll end up on like. Is that not on Criterion? I don't think so. It's, which is weird, which makes me think it's like, oh, is there some kind of like rights limbo or something?
01:10:11
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I mean, that always happens with like older American things. but and ah Oh, that's really, or 2003 is when the Save the Green Planet came out. Same year's old boy. Good year for Korea.
01:10:22
Speaker
Well, good year for their movie. I don't know. Koreans are like, that was a bad terrible time! Yeah. Good year for Korean cinema. Like, we were suffering! Yeah. Godzilla's tail just smashed a building. That tail looked hefty. at all I know we just keep praising the special effects. There's not a whole lot more to do here, I think. I mean, that's why it weighs 200 pounds, because you can see that weight. like The money and weight is on the screen. like like I mean, props to that actor for putting up with it and getting into the shape you need. like that Honestly, that's the only reason someone should like get into crazy good shape. I don't need Kamail Nanjiani doing a Marvel steroid regiment to play Kingo. I think that's his character in Eternals. i People should be only be bulking up to put on a monster suit and play a monster.
01:11:16
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i think that should be the new standard. Yeah. also gets boring when all the superheroes are just muscle guys like some of them there's no their powers aren't super strength for every hero this is very Godzilla minus one the news reporters on the building they they use that as same exact like idea and visual yeah except Godzilla way closer and minus one He's way closer.
01:11:44
Speaker
And man, that destruct city destruction scene. He fucks. I mean, he's fucking up the city now, but like the way he does it in, in minus one, it literally is just like, Oh, another bomb got dropped. Yeah.
01:11:57
Speaker
I really like the framing of a a lot of this. I think it's just so well done. Not even just Godzilla towering over the city, but the way that they shot the buildings burning.
01:12:09
Speaker
I don't know. I think it does because they shoot it almost like it's from street level. Like you're witnessing it from the street, even though it's a miniature. And I think it just it's a good choice instead of just seeing like an aerial shot of the city on fire.
01:12:25
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Yeah, I agree. I'm like thinking about some of these shots and his face in in them. Because like in some shots, like you just see the black eyes and it just feels so cold and like impersonal. But then other times, like when you see the eyes from down below, it is reminding me of...
01:12:41
Speaker
those earlier forms in Shin Godzilla, like when he like hasn't fully developed his legs and his eyes are like bugging out. It's like not to that degree, but it makes me think of like, oh, I can kind of see where you get the design idea of like, oh, let's come up with like a few forms back, like in Godzilla's Pokemon evolution. Let's go back a couple stages. Yeah. Yeah. This is what he looked like.
01:13:04
Speaker
I like the spikes being outlined, too, and almost like lightning. There was an older movie I was watching the other day that was doing something like that where these characters grab something and... Oh, Hellraiser. Oh, the original Hellraiser? Yeah. That movie rules. It's like lightning to ah ah show like something transferring from one person to another when they pick up the puzzle box.
01:13:30
Speaker
They should do a crossover, Pinhead vs. Godzilla. Oh, man. I think Pinhead wins, right? oh Can he be killed? I've only seen the first Hellraiser. I watched the first one. I was like, yeah, I'm going to watch all of these. And i I heard some of those sequels get really rough, but two is really good. I heard after three, they kind of fall off a cliff.
01:13:53
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I really like 2, and I don't want to like Watch 2 and then get back to me about Pinhead's power. Because that like goes in into kind of like, oh, the Cenobites were maybe people at some point? like Like the kind of idea, which I guess some people could see as ruining them or demystifying, but i think it's interesting of like, yeah, how do you get from being a person to that? Yeah.
01:14:17
Speaker
I do really like how long this Godzilla destruction scene has been going on. There was a point, it's almost like watching The Furious, there was a point where in the final fight I was like, we're still fighting, this is crazy. I started to feel like a little bit of exhaustion like near the end of The Furious, but then I like channeled it back into like the character. I'm like, these guys have been fighting the whole movie, and now they're fighting their toughest battle yet. like This is crazy. I felt not quite exhaustion, but almost like disorientation during the final fight. I was just like, whoa It almost just felt like they just added another because I thought the movie was winding down and then it almost pulled like a James Cameron like, oh, there's a fourth act. Yeah. Like, don't worry. And I was just like, how do you have that much focus to keep going, keep fighting, keep doing the next move, keep predicting the next person's move? But basically, like I had that same moment watching Godzilla go at it. I was like, damn, he's still fucking up this city.
01:15:19
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He kind of looks like he's getting tired too. Yeah. A little bit. He looks like he's just getting bored. He's like a kid. He's like, I guess I flip this now. Like they stopped giving him attention. So he's like, what if I do this?
01:15:31
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That could just be the actor in the suit trying to remain conscious. He's like probably like, like, like overheated and trying to stick stand up. Right. But what it communicates about the creature itself is interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
01:15:46
Speaker
Because it's like, this stuff isn't hurting him, the things we throw at it, but it it does, like, annoy him. He gets probably gets tired of it after a while, where he's like, I'm just trying to, like... get through here and you guys are like pelting me with all this book kind of reminds me of like in the angley hulk when the military is attacking him like uh especially the way hulk is animated in that like it almost just looks like a kid getting picked on where he's kind of confused like it obviously it's not the missiles don't hurt him but he's kind of like just like oh what is this yeah good stop bugging me yeah get out of here it's like mosquitoes fine as a normal person
01:16:25
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Yeah, right now they're they have these jets and they're just shooting missiles at Godzilla. It looks like they're missing every shot, though. I think they're really bad at dealing with Godzilla. I'm just going to put it out there. Every shot's like going past them.
01:16:43
Speaker
I mean, in the same way that like in horror movies, characters need to be... stupid to a certain degree for a lot of those plots to to happen i feel like in this like the military could only be so competent but also even if they were the most competent ever it's still got zilla so i almost feel like you get that in later movies where it's like no yeah they're like they're got it together but also like what are you the fuck are you gonna do we haven't talked about it yet but the score was just going wild at that point
01:17:19
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um I guess the score was originally written without the composer even seeing the movie. Oh, crazy. He, at the very end, got to tweak a little bit of it, so it matched up with the movie a bit more. But that score does kind of feel like it wasn't written with anything, like, with a visual image in mind. It feels kind of structureless, almost.
01:17:44
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Like a little detached. Mm-hmm.
01:17:48
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So they chased him back into the water, and then that's it. He's never going to be a problem again, I think. Godzilla's like, all right, guys, you made your point. I'll go back to sleep. I'm going to go back to my tunnel that you guys ruined.
01:18:04
Speaker
Yeah, he doesn't even have, like... a place to chill now like because it's like what do you i I mean maybe I'm just a dumb I'm like how do you sleep in the ocean you know like it's water they could do well you haven't seen Godzilla X-Kong do you care if I spoil his sleeping situation in that movie Does he like come to land and chill?
01:18:29
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He sleeps in between the pyramids, I think. Or maybe it's like a Roman Coliseum or something. Great. Yeah. yeah No notes. And we just let him. We're like, yeah, Godzilla is our friend. Now we love Godzilla. He's so cool.
01:18:46
Speaker
He might destroy these wonders of the world, but whatever. We respect it. We respect it and deserve it. I mean, that's the proper response to you got to respect him at the end of the day. Respect your elders.
01:19:05
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And he is significantly older than all of us.
Attack Aftermath & Cultural References
01:19:09
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Oh, no, that kid's crying from radiation poisoning. god The one. part Yeah, they've all got shit on their face. I was like, is that supposed to be radiation? But I think it's just blood.
01:19:21
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Blood or maybe ash could could be on some of them, but I think that is blood, yeah.
01:19:29
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They're in quite a pickle. Man. She's going to tell them about the O-bomb. oh if that's what happens when you drop the O-bop?
01:19:43
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Just makes Godzilla orgasm. What?
01:19:49
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ah I mean, the orgasm I heard around the world? Yeah, that might be dangerous. That's kind of like the mall rats joke about Superman's cum killing Lois Lane. like like Which is a fair point that Kevin Smith brings up and in that film. that It's like, yeah, his jizz should kill people. Was that in his original script for Superman?
01:20:17
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I don't know. Would Superman fly by? that would have been good. It just ends, it begins with Lois Lane's funeral. Like, what happened? Superman didn't pull out fast enough.
01:20:31
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Now we're we're seeing a flashback of what she witnessed when he dropped that ball in the tank of water.
01:20:44
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It makes bubbles. See, when I saw this, I was like, oh, it is the minus one plan. But no. It's a little different. It just. Oh, no. I that's quite an extreme reaction, I think.
01:20:58
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I mean, yeah like I get in terms of like, yes, they are just fish. But if you're thinking about the grand scale, if you did that where people were, know, like that's really and especially after she's old enough that she would know people who died and, you know, Nagasaki or like, you know, or Hiroshima.
01:21:21
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He's so sweaty. Hell yeah, he is. That's how troubled he is. Yeah, removes all the oxygen and suffocates all living organisms.
01:21:34
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And to be fair, this is a horrible, horrible weapon. But what a do they have a better plan? Yeah. Like ah like anyone, tell me ah a better way to stop Godzilla. What if you just use it once?
01:21:52
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they should have done with the the time i'm like we promise just once i mean it is over that's so american that the first time it's used we do it twice and we're just like yeah i think the line in openheimer is like when they're making that decision they're like once to show that you know the the power of and that we can and twice to show we'll keep doing it until they surrender like like the kind of like just to like really make them submit of like yeah we can do this all day oh man ah did they only build two for that bombing or did they, it seemed like they only had two at the time. So that have totally been a bluff. What if Japan was like, we're not surrendering. Fuck you. Yeah. They're like, shit.
01:22:36
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that They should have saw if they were going to surrender after the first one and then hang on. Wait and see. Yeah. They kind of busted their load, dropped their load a little too early. Okay.
01:22:52
Speaker
Man, i I put on an episode of The Simpsons, and the couch gag was the bomb dropping from, ah what's it called? ah The Kubrick movie? Oh, Strangelove. Strangelove, where he's riding it. Yeah.
01:23:04
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That was the couch opening. I'm like, after all these years, I finally get that, because I watched Strangelove last year for the first time. Oh, nice. And I knew that image for so long, but...
01:23:14
Speaker
like when you see it in context of a movie like i never thought about i was like oh that's just funny see a guy riding a bomb like a a horse but it's like he's like riding it to his death like to the end of the you know it's like no the bomb is getting dropped like he's he's riding it to the end very american thing yeah the most american amen to that brother
01:23:43
Speaker
That movie is just like a decade after this. Yeah. People really freaked out about the bomb for some reason. Yeah, for some weird reason. Well, it's like we had created like the worst thing ever. And it kind of feels like we're right back in the same spot again.
01:24:01
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I mean, i feel like I did see some story where it's like the doomsday clock, which I didn't until Watchmen. i i was like, oh, that's the thing they made up for the comic in the movie, right? It was like, no, there's actually a doomsday clock. It's just scientists gather around. they're like, guys, how close do you think we all are to killing each other instead of time? Like, I think it's like pretty like the closest it's been like since the Cold War or something now.
01:24:29
Speaker
Oh, boy. Well, that's why we're doing the Godzilla commentaries now. We're getting wild while why we can. Yeah. ah Hopefully we get to see minus zero.
01:24:40
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, there's there's stuff coming out I want to see, so I'd like to stick stick around. Yeah.
01:24:50
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I think the solution is... every Like, we had kind of the right idea during the Cold War of Mutually Assured Destruction, but we we should do it on a larger scale. Like, every country should have nukes.
01:25:02
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All Even the smallest of every country? Yeah, all of them. So, like, then it's, like, so much pressure of like, no one's even gonna butt. Like, guys, we can't. Like, this is shut off, like, the biggest chain reaction. I think we should just give over control to the entity. Yeah.
01:25:22
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Give him the key. have evidence. He makes a lot of good points. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Like when he showed us the stuff that he showed Tom Cruise. I don't remember what he showed Tom Cruise. don't know. Tom Cruise goes into the coffin it's like and he's like, you can't beat me, Ethan. Don't even try or's something. Yeah.
01:25:47
Speaker
It shows him people dying or something. It might show him Luther about to die, and then he goes to try and save Luther, and Luther dies. Spoilers for Final Reckoning.
01:25:58
Speaker
Everybody's seen it. It made a lot of money. Hell yeah. That guy just said to the eyepatch character, you're our only hope. And I'm like, George Lucas lifted that. he is Man, all that guy does is steal. He's he's watching this. He's watching Kurosawa movies. He's just like, like he's watching Flash Gordon's series. like, ooh, I did that. Yeah, 1954 was a big year for Lucas and his ideas.
01:26:24
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Big year for him to rip shit off. So this guy, i pat Mr. Eyepatch, Dr. Eyepatch, is trying to destroy the O-bomb. And they're like, no, we have to use it against Godzilla.
01:26:39
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I like the choice to focus on the fish during that kerfuffle. Yeah, it gets interesting because then it makes you think about the last, oh, last time we saw fish, they died from that weapon. You're just thinking about like... How quickly he had to refill that tank with living fish. Yeah, just the logistics of like, wow, he's got a good relationship with his fish store. yeah Because he's probably tested that multiple times. And every time he goes back to the fish store, the woman there is probably like side-eyeing him like, again... He had to replace that water with non-O-BOM contaminated water. Right, because it's I assume there's some kind of, if it's sucking the oxygen out, it's not the same as like being irradiated, but that water can't be good anymore.
01:27:24
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like There's oxygen in water, my understanding it. He said if he could find a good use, he would reveal it to the world, but it's only a weapon of mass destruction right now. What is a good use for a thing that sucks oxygen out of the air? Exactly.
01:27:41
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I mean, stopping Godzilla, that's like one good thing I can think of, but other than that... Why did he even create it? For fun. It seems like he created it before there was a Godzilla. Yeah.
01:27:55
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He was like, oh, well, we're well we're all building bombs. and Everyone else was building bombs. I mean, that's how arms races work. I mean, even in Oppenheimer, they he wasn't building it for the Japanese. They were just trying to beat the Germans to it. Like, hey, they're going to build one. We definitely need to have one first.
01:28:14
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Man, I'm glad this movie isn't in English because then there would be a chance that Trump would watch it and get ideas to build an O-bomb. He's like, that's a great idea. Yeah, but we know he can't read. Yeah,
Gender Identity & National Unity Themes
01:28:30
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but... He could watch King of the Monsters. could watch King of the Monsters, but I honestly... Musk could have this on and get the idea for an O-bomb or someone stupid like that.
01:28:41
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Mm-hmm.
01:28:43
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Luckily, everyone's too busy with AI to think about building the O-bomb. That can't be used to kill ai They don't need oxygen, do they? Mm-hmm. When's the next Terminator movie coming out? Speaking of AI killing everything. Yeah.
01:28:59
Speaker
We forget that just two years ago we got an awesome Terminator miniseries. Yeah, that fucking ruled Zero was awesome. And Netflix are cowards for not renewing it. I wish a curse upon who's CEO of Netflix, Ted Sarandos. I put a curse upon you and your bloodline.
01:29:20
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Yeah, Disney, you own the rights to Terminator. You should just continue it. So Sarah Connor's a Disney princess. I think so. Same with a Ripley. m e And the Predator.
01:29:38
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All princesses. ah Is Godzilla in this, since we're talking about gender. Is he in this movie? yeah I think so. he's ah I think he is, but is Godzilla a boy or a girl?
01:29:50
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Uh, man, I don't know. Because of the size of those hips, I've heard people identify Godzilla as a woman. Because in the ninety s in the Emmerich one, female yeah because she lays eggs. Yes.
01:30:03
Speaker
But other than that, there's no... Because, like, you know, you think of most organisms, they're living most living things' goal is to survive and to self-perpetuate. Like, okay, I need to, like, make more of myself. We never see Godzilla trying to, like...
01:30:21
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make a kid ever like well there is a baby Godzilla at some point where did it come from I like these photos of like people in school singing and people like praying around the radio like it feels very i don't know like
01:30:43
Speaker
True to life, I guess. I mean, it kind of makes me think about we're both old enough, guess. We're like, we kind of, I mean, I still have been pretty young after 9-11, but I do remember that, yeah, it was a re-embrane of national prayer moment. Because I went to Catholic school, but I feel like I knew people who went to even public school would be like, we are going to have some kind of blessing in the morning post-9-11 just because everyone, it's a comforting thing of safety of like, come on, let's...
01:31:12
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No, it's fine. God will protect us from the terrorists, even though he didn't the first time. but yeah um he He let it happen that first time just to remind us that he could.
01:31:26
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And they're just letting us watch these like choir kids sing. I think this movie's cooking. You know what would be great if they were singing Creep by Radiohead? Yeah.
01:31:39
Speaker
The Social Reckoning. I don't belong here. Fucked up because there's no choir version of a Radiohead song in the trailer for Social Reckoning. It makes me think Sorkin doesn't understand ah what those movies are supposed to be.
01:31:54
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I haven't seen the trailer yet for Social Reckoning. Just do another trailer reaction because it's good. i Sorkin's interesting because it's like a great screenwriter, and especially if you pair him with the right director.
01:32:06
Speaker
But like his stuff he's directed is kind of all over the place. And yeah, I don't, I don't know. It's good that it's going to be a good movie, but it it's also got a cat. I'm like, Scott fucking Jeremy strong and, uh, Mikey Madsen. That's, this is like our first thing post Oscar.
01:32:26
Speaker
Yeah, the Mikey Madsen casting I found interesting. I didn't recognize her at first on the poster that I saw. The eye-patched scientist did agree to give them the O-bomb, but he's like, this is the last time it will ever be used. Promise? You guys promise?
01:32:44
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Don't use it again. oh he's burning the blueprints. Oh, that's...
01:32:52
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That was another strange cut.
01:32:58
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But it kind of, I don't mind it, though. Yeah, i don't I don't mind. Like any of these like little glitches we catch.
01:33:08
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He's going to make sure it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. Or just do my play and and give everyone an O-bomb. That's the way you stop it from getting misused. Put it in all the wrong hands.
01:33:20
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I mean, because that was ah A universe on mutual trust or a world on mutual trust. You you kind of hear about it in the background and in Oppenheimer, but like there was someone at Los Alamos who gave like the plans to the Soviet Union, but not because he was like a hardcore communist. like It was because...
01:33:41
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he like just ah thought morally of in terms of like, okay, one country can't just have this. Like at least if another one does, like it kind of cancels out. Like, which is, I mean, there weren't any more nukes or atomic bombs dropped after that. So maybe that works.
01:34:00
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Yeah. Who knows if we would used it again. I feel like if anyone's going to use again, it's our current government. like Like, they're just waiting. Mm-hmm. Hand over the button.
01:34:16
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There's another country, I think, that might use it, but I won't say, because you probably have edit it. enough. i think we all know who I'm talking about. Yeah.
01:34:29
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yeah
01:34:34
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Oh, man. They're getting ready. I'm not letting a beginner take this. take care of this the ocean is the last place i would i was thinking about this when i was like re-watching jaws of like when he goes down there in the cage towards the end i was like i would do so many things before doing like like fucking just shoot me if those are my options this but but like if there's a kaiju in the water and someone's like put on the diving suit i've like go fuck yourself
01:35:08
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i not going in there. I agree. um the The ocean's scary without kaijus. I'm just putting it out there. like yeah I do think there are monsters at the bottom of the ocean. i would rather i would rather get like eaten by something smaller that I know will have to kill me before it could digest me. Right.
01:35:32
Speaker
and don't want to get eaten by a big creature that could get me in one gulp. Then I have to either drown inside of it or survive through the digestion process. You might you might end up in a whale fall situation. Oh, man.
01:35:46
Speaker
I haven't seen the trailer for that, but I've heard it that movie looks interesting. I want to see It it looks intense. I've only seen the poster. It's a crazy premise. Although when you think... I'm like, I guess there is... Like...
01:35:58
Speaker
People have been getting swallowed by whales since we've been telling stories. Like in the Bible that happens to someone. And then also Pinocchio. That's immediately what I thought about was Jonah and the whale. Pinocchio too, yeah.
01:36:08
Speaker
Yeah, I'm like, why have we... Did this used to happen?
Underwater Filming Techniques & Resurrection Theories
01:36:11
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do we have so many stories about this? People used to get eaten by whales a lot.
01:36:18
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I guess so. I forgot what they're like exactly doing. So they're just bringing it down... Because to deploy it, I guess you just can't drop, dump it from a boat. Like you needed to kind of like when he did it on the fish tank, you put it, he put it at the, but it goes to the bottom of the tank.
01:36:40
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But like they have to get to the ocean floor because that's like down a bit. And then they have to come back up.
01:36:51
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I wonder how you film underwater in the fifty s
01:36:59
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I mean, here I'm assuming... It's like a grocery bag over the camera? Yeah, I don't know.
01:37:09
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Or is the camera... Like, the actors are in a water tank and then you have the camera just pressed against the glass? But it doesn't look like there's glass in front of the camera. So... Like, that is interesting.
01:37:25
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Or do you just sacrifice the camera and hope you can get the foot? You're like, what dump it in there. That looks like they put a fish tank in front of the person in the suit when it was Godzilla chilling there. Yeah.
01:37:41
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Because there were fish swimming around in front of him. Also, he looked really cool just sitting there. Yeah. I like how he just wakes up like a normal person, like, huh? What?
01:37:52
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Who's that in my house? Mm-hmm. The whole ocean's his house.
01:38:04
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I mean, yeah, this is very rude of us. We're going to fucking suffocate him in his home. Like, I don't know. Yeah, that's quite the wake up.
01:38:17
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No wonder he's so angry for like 30 more movies. Like first you use a bomb to wake him up and then you fuck up his like his whole living arrangement and you go down there and fucking suffocate him.
01:38:34
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Godzilla is up and moving.
01:38:39
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Yeah, this is why you don't go in the ocean. and There's Godzilla. Yeah, this all looks like it was underwater, right? It does, yeah.
01:38:51
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There was one shot of the people where it also looked like they filmed them in front of a fish tank. Where it was like super clear and you got cool shots of their faces. But this stuff here looks like they're in the water or in some kind of like the actors are in it. It looks like the underwater scenes in something like Creature from the Black Lagoon or something.
01:39:12
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A movie I've never seen all the way through. It's interesting. It's it's kind of like, what if The Shape of Water was not consensual? Because say that creature pretty rapey. That was the pitch meeting? They knew there was going to be a Shape of Water in like 50 years. Like, okay, guys, what if we did that movie, but with 100% more rape?
01:39:39
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Man, I rewatched Pan's Labyrinth for the first time in like a decade. it was my second time watching it. I liked it a lot more on a rewatch. The movie's great. I need to rewatch it. I mean, that's still my favorite Del Toro, I'd say.
01:39:53
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i think Shape of Water's still number one, but Labyrinth might be number two.
01:40:00
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I mean, yeah. I... I get really emotional towards the end of that movie. and it And it just looks fucking incredible. There's also no one named Pan in the movie. Because the faun is not named Pan. Yeah, and she's the girl's Ophelia.
01:40:17
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So who's Pan? I don't know. it the translation or The Spanish title is like The Labyrinth and the Faun. so Is that just like an American thing where they're like, nah, that doesn't sound cool? Yeah. Pan's Labyrinth. Like who?
01:40:34
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You talking about Goku's granddaughter? That's a good call. Good poll.
01:40:44
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So right now, Godzilla underwater stuff is a little hard to keep track of what's happening. oh Seems like something big is coming up.
01:40:56
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I think they deployed the bomb. Yeah, so he's trying to surface for air while... It's working, yeah. And they just have to stay down there and watch it happen until they can come back up.
01:41:09
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I would be like immediately like, oh, is he going to kill himself? like Yeah. I forgot how he killed himself. For some reason, I thought he just shot himself in the head or something. It'd be crazy if he did that underwater. He just pulls out a gun.
01:41:23
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But he cuts the rope and he's like, I'm going to stay down here. Well, it is his logic. Like if I'm dead, no one can make me build another one. Yeah. No more bombs.
01:41:38
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I mean, maybe this is insensitive, but if Oppenheimer felt so bad about it, why didn't he kill him? It does raise the question, right? Yeah.
01:41:49
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But other people knew how to build the bomb, right? Yeah, I guess it was too late that. There was a lot of people there. Yeah.
01:41:58
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That would be funny. This guy built the O-bomb by himself in a room. He didn't even need other scientists. One the boxes of scraps! Where was he during World War II? This guy is like the most brilliant scientist of all time. Yeah.
01:42:12
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Oh no, Godzilla. it looks like a toy. He looks sick. it didn't It didn't look like he was in good health. Very stiff. Now he's sinking to the bottom of the ocean. They did it.
01:42:26
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They killed Godzilla. bo i wonder if that was Japan's way of saying Oppenheimer should have offed himself. i mean they like At least the idea of like yeah how could you live with yourself if you made this? you know like
01:42:44
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Oh no. I forgot that happened. They definitively show that he died.
01:42:55
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They showed that Godzilla died. He turned into skeletons and then his skeletons turned into nothing. So that implies that there's some kind of...
01:43:07
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We're almost operating on like a ah Michael Myers logic of like, you're like, oh, you you can kill him, but he's going to come back. Yeah.
01:43:19
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um Yeah, that raises some questions for Godzilla raids again. Well, you do straight up see him regenerate in other ones when he's seemingly defeated. So I think if that's just like a retcon they came up with after, because like no one's thinking about franchises when you make.
01:43:39
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That's not how movies were made back then. They just, you know, they made a good movie and then they, oh, this was successful. Let's do more of them. Yeah, because they rushed the sequel out ah to this one like pretty quickly. That's why the director isn't returning for it. um I forgot who directed Godzilla Raids again.
01:44:00
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But that one, they do discuss. They're like, hey, Godzilla was dead. We killed him, didn't we? Yeah, they have that discussion. okay Another Godzilla may appear...
01:44:12
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Well, and if you're just watching this at the time and there's no sequels, you might think that that's a metaphor for like, you're like, oh, well, there'll always be, you know, this is like a perpetuate, you know, like ah atomic weapons like this. This is like a self-perpetuating sin that we can never like.
01:44:29
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erase or something but but that now it's become a literal like no no there there could be another godzilla yeah that'll be the debate for the next episode like is it the same one or is it a second one were there two yeah and because we know there's a kid at some point so we're the two fucking yeah that's those these are my questions and going forward every godzilla we're seeing in previous movies it's all godzilla 2 it's not the first godzilla m But yeah, that's it. All the credits were at the beginning of the movie.
01:45:04
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So there were no credits to be had. Hot take. Good movie. Yeah. 10 out of 10, 5 of 5, however you want to slice this pizza.
01:45:15
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um It's a full pizza. It's a full meal because, like, yeah, I'm looking forward to watching all the rest of these. But, like, that does have you get a full story. It has everything it wants to say in it.
01:45:32
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Like, cause kind of forgot all about the Oppenheimer guy. I, Dr. Eyepatch, like the fact that that's in this movie is pretty wild. ah And so, yeah, like, ah but it makes me interested to like,
01:45:48
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Because like i know like the themes kind of evolve as, as like yeah, this one's about you know the atomic bomb, but like there's more of an environmentalism bent for some of other monsters that show up. Or even in later Godzilla movies, it's more like, like oh, there was nuclear waste in the ocean or something that mutated him.
01:46:10
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like So so it'll be it'll be kind of interesting to follow that thread over time of like, what are we commenting on? Because it' see it like this is just like an inherently ah political franchise.
01:46:23
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Godzilla's woke. I'm also interested to see, because I know there's multiple eras of Godzilla. I never knew where each movie would lie within the era.
01:46:36
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Like, don't even know the names of the era. One is like, Showa? Showa? Showa. Yeah. show it on tele um i think that's maybe the more comedic era there's like a millennium era too i don't know which is which we should maybe look up which era we're watching for the next movie but yeah um we'll we'll figure it out i am interested to see if each era if at the start of each era there's like a reboot point I was just thinking that because it's like you said the next one, they do acknowledge that they killed him. So I'm like, okay, so it is a direct sequel, but at a certain point, you're going to have to like like bond. Like you're going to have to like hit the reset button, I assume, because like you can't or or do later ones try to tie the different continuities together in some kind of, I guess you'd have to do a multiverse. I don't know. Yeah, are Shin Godzilla and Minus One, the first like resets from the Toho-produced Godzilla
Godzilla Eras & Continuity Reboots
01:47:36
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movies? ah That's something we'll find out, I guess.
01:47:39
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Yeah, I guess we will find out. Well, we're going to hop right into Godzilla Raids again. Yeah. You got any plug-a-roonies? um Stay tuned to These Guys Got Juice Feed. I mean, it took a little bit of ah a break there, but we got some some new stuff, ah shows and movies that we've been covering that are going to be on there. So state check that out. And then also, I've been appearing on ah the stream Unsourced Wall Radio. We've been going through the Spider-Man movies. Next Sunday, ah is we're going to be talking about the Holland Trilogy.
01:48:20
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And yeah, looking forward to that. So check it out. Very cool. ah That's awesome. yeah Have you done the amazing? yeah Yeah, we did the duology. Are you doing the Sony villains? I think we're doing Madam Web and Morbius. Although my choice, have been like, let's do Manweb and Kraven. If we're going to do like the good ones, like let's do... the But I guess Morbius is interesting from a cultural perspective, maybe. I don't know. Luckily, you got to talk Craven on the These Guys Got Juice feed, so there's some capacity. You've discussed that movie. Yeah, but it's not enough. Everyone should be talking about Craven all the time. Yeah, he should have been elected president that year.
01:49:04
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