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SIPA Paranormal Chronicles S1 E6 – Neil Armstrong, Publisher of Enigmazime
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In this week's episode we have the pleasure of speaking with Neil Armstrong
Neil is the Publisher of a brand new Paranormal Magazine in the UK called Enigmazine.
We talk about Neil's early experiences with the paranormal, as well as discuss current an future articles in the magazine.
Find out more about the Enigmazine at https://www.enigmazine.com/
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction of Neil Armstrong, Publisher of EnigmaZine
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. And today I am delighted to have Neil Armstrong on the show. And before you say anything, not that one. It's a different one.
00:00:29
Lee Hatfield
And he is the publisher of a brand new paranormal magazine in the UK called EnigmaZine. I hope I've said that correctly. Neil, welcome.
00:00:39
Neil Armstrong
Hi, Lee. How are you?
00:00:41
Lee Hatfield
Oh, not too bad.
00:00:43
Neil Armstrong
Splendid.
00:00:43
Lee Hatfield
Luckily in Canada, it's beginning to warm up now. So all the snow's going and but still about minus.
00:00:49
Neil Armstrong
Oh, lovely. We're still cold here.
00:00:53
Neil Armstrong
Freezing.
00:00:53
Lee Hatfield
eva
00:00:53
Lee Hatfield
yeah We get minus 25 to minus 30. So shush.
00:00:57
Lee Hatfield
Let's not go there. So do I so i'll call you Neil or do I call you Bigfoot? Because been looking at the magazine. Yeah.
00:01:06
Neil Armstrong
you've noticed that. No, you can call me Neil. it's It's funny. I mean, obviously, everyone recognizes the name and and then they're slightly disappointed and they find out it's not the astronaut.
00:01:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. so
00:01:17
Neil Armstrong
But it's helped me all my life, really, the the name. It's not been a hindrance. People remember it.
Paranormal Experiences of Neil Armstrong
00:01:25
Lee Hatfield
us
00:01:28
Lee Hatfield
And they remember it for the right reasons.
00:01:31
Neil Armstrong
Yeah.
00:01:32
Lee Hatfield
So before we go into the reason why you're here, I know at the beginning, I know it seems to be a bit of a lag. I know at the beginning of the magazine, your first edition came out a month ago.
00:01:45
Lee Hatfield
You had a bit of an introduction to yourself. And i know you you say that you had some experiences as as a youth. Do you want to talk about those now or do you want to wait until the second edition comes out? Because I believe you you're going to be doing that in the up up and coming editions. Is that correct?
00:02:03
Neil Armstrong
Yeah, well, in the in the first... So i've i've I've had quite a few little incidental kind of unexplainable paranormal things happen to me in my life.
00:02:15
Neil Armstrong
But I've written about the the main two in the first two editions. So in the first edition, I write about my... being visited by my dead grandmother who who told me that I was ill and needed to seek medical attention.
00:02:37
Neil Armstrong
And as it turned out, did and I was ill. I had sepsis, but I didn't know it, which is there's no pain with that. So that that encounter is interesting as it was is kind of pivotal. And also just a few years ago, it only happened it happened when I was an adult.
00:02:58
Neil Armstrong
But the other main one was a poltergeist experience, and that's written about in issue two, which is just coming out this week in the UK. And that happened when I was a kid.
00:03:10
Neil Armstrong
in I was only five in visiting my sister's house in Yorkshire. And it was it was the first night that I was there as well.
00:03:21
Neil Armstrong
that That story is in the the the second edition, but to to cut a long story short, it was...
00:03:24
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:03:29
Neil Armstrong
it was The first time that I'd been to the house, they had encountered, that's my sister and my brother-in-law at the time, had encountered some weird things happening in the house.
00:03:43
Neil Armstrong
they And afterwards, after this... experience that i had as well some years after i spoke to my sister about it and she told me a whole load of other stuff that had happened in that same house and in a little village called clifton in uh in south yorkshire and uh my experience there was was a poltergeist and their experience was
00:04:04
Lee Hatfield
oh
00:04:08
Neil Armstrong
things just randomly moving around the house, ending up in locations where they shouldn't be, and and things like objects that weren't theirs appearing.
00:04:21
Lee Hatfield
And that's really interesting because I interviewed a guy that's had a poltergeist experience from Seattle. And he he experienced three years of the poltergeist. And some of the stuff that you've just mentioned, he's coming out, yeah books disappearing, Bibles disappearing, car keys and all that kind of stuff.
00:04:41
Neil Armstrong
Mm-hmm.
00:04:41
Lee Hatfield
But your writing career started way back in the 90s with another magazine, Encounters.
Neil's Writing Career and Success of Encounters Magazine
00:04:49
Lee Hatfield
Legendary Encounters magazine, that correct?
00:04:52
Neil Armstrong
Yeah, i was it didn't quite start there. but My writing career was with the same company, but I started in other magazines that weren't paranormal. And a mate mine, who is a guy called Richard Forsyth, who also has written for us, his he's got a brilliant story about...
00:05:11
Neil Armstrong
a haunting in Wiltshire that he was involved in, in the first issue. But he was the, it was his idea, Encounters magazine. And, but he hadn't edited a magazine before and I had, so was helping him for the, for the first issue. I was part of the launch team of Encounters. And that was quite success, that magazine, because at the time it was, you know,
00:05:35
Neil Armstrong
It kind of hit a wave of interest with the alien autopsy pictures and stories of of UFOs in in in and around New York State and some other stuff.
00:05:48
Neil Armstrong
To cut a long story short there, we had something like 160,000 sales, which is a really impressive amount in the UK. And certainly you won't get anything like that now.
00:05:59
Neil Armstrong
But yeah, it then became an alien encounters and laterally there's a guy called Uri Geller who got involved in it, I think.
00:06:08
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:06:09
Neil Armstrong
But the yeah the the the magazine, was it was somewhat groundbreaking. I mean, there wasn't really a paranormal magazine at the time. I think at the same sort of time, 14 Times was starting and some time after that, Haunted magazine in the UK.
00:06:27
Neil Armstrong
And I think there may have been the odd one or two come and go. But, yeah, it was it was it was good to be involved in that sort of success and kind of opened our eyes to the possibilities of, you know, providing a community with a magazine. It's kind of a – I always find if if if a subject matter has got a magazine or two or three, then it li legitimizes – the the subject matter a tad.
00:06:57
Neil Armstrong
And for people who are interested in that sort of thing, I think it's good to be able to find a magazine that you can get on a monthly basis, which covers the things that you're interested in.
00:07:09
Neil Armstrong
Because it seems to me there's there's lots of other magazines about all sorts of other areas of interest. I mean, you know yeah there's a thousand magazines on fishing and golf, but not that many on what is pretty much a huge aspect of life and the unknown and those sorts of subjects that we all wonder about.
00:07:29
Neil Armstrong
And many of us have had experiences in, but it's very seldom kind of gets into the the the kind of wider,
00:07:40
Neil Armstrong
niche You know, it remains as in the niche.
00:07:42
Lee Hatfield
top
00:07:43
Neil Armstrong
it really, it rarely comes into the mainstream. And I think it it does belong in the mainstream. So I pointing out the other day, you know, over the years, Hollywood has spent billions and billions and billions of dollars making films about hauntings, aliens, UFO, you know. So why why would they do that? Because people are interested in it.
00:08:06
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. And it's really weird that the two paranormal magazines I subscribe to one being yours and the other one being in the Haunted magazine, because there does not seem to be any decent ones this side of the pond, which I find really strange, yeah especially with all the conspiracy theories that yeah certain people over the border i have.
00:08:34
Lee Hatfield
And you sort like, but I always tell people that the UK is where all the history comes from. So all the paranormal stuff seems to come from, from the UK. It is getting more popular now, but it seems to be UK based for most of it.
00:08:51
Neil Armstrong
Yeah, well i mean, there's some
Paranormal Hot Spots in the UK and US
00:08:53
Neil Armstrong
there's some really good hot spots of paranormal activity in in America.
00:08:58
Lee Hatfield
I definitely think there's a bit of a lag with, uh,
00:09:00
Neil Armstrong
Yes. Oh, yeah yes. What's that?
00:09:05
Neil Armstrong
Are we back? Can you hear me again?
00:09:09
Neil Armstrong
can see we've got a lag.
00:09:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, we could. I can. Yeah, we're good. Yeah.
00:09:15
Neil Armstrong
Okay. Yeah, I think you've got a good point. There are lots of, i mean, virtually there are ghosts and stories
00:09:22
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, I can still hear
00:09:23
Neil Armstrong
around every corner in the UK, not so much in America, but it has got its hotspots. It's got its paranormal hotspots, like some of the battlefields. there's there is There's a lot of stuff in and around Indian, the reservations.
00:09:43
Neil Armstrong
There's obviously there's there's lots of stuff in the the Bigfoot area, you know, And also in in in the neck of the woods that you're in. I mean, there's Bigfoot all over that neck of the woods, isn't there?
00:09:57
Neil Armstrong
So there is, and obviously UFOs and and all of that. i mean, that that's... that's you know, the US is pretty much the epicenter for all of that. But in terms of ghosts and historic things tied to ghostly events and and things like time slips and stuff, there are hot spots, but they're they're few and far between. But as you say, becoming much more common.
00:10:23
Neil Armstrong
and And with you, I'm the same in terms of I'm thinking, you know America and Canada has got huge amounts of people in it. Lots of them are interested in this subject matter. ah ah you know It would be great to to get our magazine on magazine over there.
00:10:44
Lee Hatfield
and And that's one of the reasons why i kind of jumped at the chance to get you onto the podcast, because in this day and age, we've got the e-magazines that we can subscribe to.
Availability and Formats of EnigmaZine
00:10:59
Lee Hatfield
And the fact that you guys are in the UK and you've got all your material from both sides of the pond, it's good that people from my neck of the woods can now subscribe and get get an e-version of the magazine so that they're not missing out per se.
00:11:16
Lee Hatfield
They're still getting the content on on a monthly basis.
00:11:19
Neil Armstrong
Yeah, so we've we've developed like four, because we were we were only really going to have it as a printed magazine in the UK. And you can you can get it as a printed magazine sent to you. We've just had someone from Sweden order today, for instance.
00:11:35
Neil Armstrong
but so we do send it worldwide but it's not that cost effective so we do have we do have a digital page turner subscription that you can see you can subscribe to the monthly magazine you can do that through pocket mags we also have a pdf inbox version which is very reasonable that at the end of each month that the that the magazine comes out a pdf version pops into your inbox So we've we've kind of got a number of different subscription levels and and types.
00:12:09
Neil Armstrong
But, yeah, I mean, certainly for now, we're absolutely committed to a printed version appearing on the high street in the UK. It's in WH Smith and some of the larger supermarkets and independents.
00:12:24
Neil Armstrong
Because, you know, having a printed magazine, know, lends its tangibility to the subject matter. And I think it's important to to have that in some way.
00:12:36
Neil Armstrong
You know, it's not... and And it's clearly, it's a magazine that's done for the readership as well and and tries to involve the readership and and wants to that community to be involved.
00:12:48
Neil Armstrong
Believe it or not, it's certainly not a magazine built for profit. And it's certainly not a magazine that's, you know, going to get loads and loads of advertisers wanting to to get into it.
00:13:01
Neil Armstrong
Maybe, certainly that's that's at the moment, but once it once it becomes better known and and people kind of wake up to the the the possibilities of that the the interest that this sort of readership has, then maybe some of those more commercial things will come along. But certainly for now, it's...
00:13:22
Neil Armstrong
you know the magazine is is hugely editorially heavy and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future, I would have thought.
00:13:32
Neil Armstrong
I think the other good thing is that because we're trying to cover a lot of different subjects...
00:13:37
Lee Hatfield
Okay. that That's really cool. Yeah.
00:13:42
Neil Armstrong
Yeah, so we're because we're trying to cover a lot of different subjects, there's no...
00:13:47
Lee Hatfield
ye And it's it's funny because
00:13:47
Neil Armstrong
end to the amount of stuff we can cover.
00:13:49
Lee Hatfield
oh
00:13:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because having a paranormal podcast, I want to do the same kind of thing. i don't just want to cover the normal...
00:14:03
Lee Hatfield
topics of ghosts and spirits, I want to cover that everything that encompasses the paranormal. yeah So I'm talking about demonology, I'm talking about fairies, herbs within the paranormal world, yeah and absolutely everything.
00:14:19
Lee Hatfield
And I think that's more important to cover everything because yeah if you Google the word paranormal, you've got so many different subcategories
00:14:31
Neil Armstrong
Mm.
00:14:31
Lee Hatfield
And there's like 30 or 40 of them that you can speak about and you can get people to talk about each one. And it'd be a completely different article, lecture, podcast or whatever.
00:14:41
Lee Hatfield
And I think that's where that's what's really good about what you're doing and what about what we're doing as this podcast as well. So. Like this podcast, we have to plan in advance of what episodes we're doing.
00:14:57
Lee Hatfield
So what kind of articles can we expect in the future from EnigmaZine?
Upcoming Articles in EnigmaZine
00:15:04
Neil Armstrong
Well, in issue two, which is, as i say, just coming out, we've got, we've got but're we're covering, a potential Well, we're looking at the potential of an alien invasion. when when that could be Are there any clues to when that's likely to be? That's quite an interesting subject.
00:15:23
Neil Armstrong
We're looking at ghost hunting in in a kind of from the point of view of of some of the the the gear that you would need to to to put together to... to do an investigation.
00:15:36
Neil Armstrong
But we're also then looking at Cannock Chase, which is a hotspot in Staffordshire where they've got a dog man and they've got some UFO sightings and black-eyed kids and We're looking at cryptids in the UK and mapping them.
00:15:54
Neil Armstrong
We've got time travel theories. So and ah and that poltergeist story as well that I was just saying about before, that's in there. But we're also covering things like gothic horror.
00:16:05
Neil Armstrong
you may have You may have noticed in the first issue that what we're also trying to do is is While we're bringing lots of niches together, we're also trying to push all of this into the mainstream. So we are we do have book reviews, we do have movie reviews, we look at what's available on streaming for the subject matter and for the readership to get involved in what's aimed at them.
00:16:34
Neil Armstrong
And i know we're just putting issue three together at the moment. We've got another week or two left on that deadline. But that one, we're really embracing some of the stuff that, again, we're intimating at here, which is broader.
00:16:50
Neil Armstrong
So we're looking at... we looking at real vampires in the UK. So those are people that identify as vampires and there's there's as many as 10,000 of them and donors, that's blood donors to vampires in the UK. So we're having a look at that and also about some of the... some of the augmentations and some of the the ways that they are, that subculture is dressing and there the some of the things they're doing and in terms of plastic surgery and all those sorts of things.
00:17:29
Neil Armstrong
as well as having, you know, ghost stories, new ghost stories, some some stuff about alien, you know, ancient aliens, and some stuff about, you know, mind power and so some of the some of those wider unknown issues.
00:17:46
Neil Armstrong
And further than that, in the future, I want to get involved in... more of the mystical stuff as well. So, you know, we've we've got some interviews coming up with with mediums and also we want to go even further than that in the unexplained realm and maybe look at...
00:18:08
Neil Armstrong
unsolved crime and and things like that. the the The key bit is the enigma. So Enigma Zine is a magazine about mystery and that's why we we called it Enigma Zine. It's why we're trying to keep it wide in its subject matter so that it can cover lots of these subjects, but it's not going to cover them as in-depth as an expert would.
00:18:35
Neil Armstrong
because the magazine is designed as as a gateway into this sort of stuff.
00:18:40
Lee Hatfield
Bye.
00:18:40
Neil Armstrong
So, you know, if you're interested, in the paranormal my my thought process would be for instance if you're interested in ghosts you might be open-minded enough to be interested enough to read about time travel theory or you might be in you might be intrigued by time slips so why wouldn't you also like to think about potential alien invasion to me they are all subjects which are the product of a kind of inquisitive and curious mind.
Mission of EnigmaZine
00:19:16
Neil Armstrong
And we have that in in our ethos, which is, you know, the the magazine is for curious, open-minded, through free thinkers. And, you know, that means that anything that isn't been explained, interesting,
00:19:33
Neil Armstrong
can go in there and be of interest to the readership so that we're not just talking about ghosts, we're not just talking about aliens, or we're not just talking about you know one specific subject, we're covering a lot.
00:19:47
Neil Armstrong
so that Because to me, that's what a magazine is, it's an entertainment point, an entry point. And then when you when you read about it and you think, wow, that's really interesting,
00:19:59
Neil Armstrong
That's interesting about time slips. I'll go and read about that. I'll buy a time slip book or go off into the, armed into the the world of the internet and find out more information.
00:20:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and that's really, that connects with me in in a big way because after reading issue one, I didn't know that time slips existed.
00:20:23
Lee Hatfield
So I've been looking more online about time slips. So that's a perfect example of yeah of opening up your magazine and finding something that I didn't know about in the past.
00:20:38
Neil Armstrong
Oh,
Neil's Time Slip Experience in Wales
00:20:38
Neil Armstrong
that's good. That's handy. It's also handy that I wrote a time slip book.
00:20:43
Lee Hatfield
So moving on from there, then if I, had if I had an experience. but
00:20:50
Lee Hatfield
yeah So if i if I had an experience so i wanted to write an article for you, how would I go about it
00:20:58
Neil Armstrong
Okay, so we we've we're really interested to hear from readers and anybody that wants that has a story to tell. So we we have a dedicated email address, which is readers at enigmazine.com.
00:21:13
Neil Armstrong
That goes through to the editorial team. What what we We want to offer a the community a a forum there of tell us your your story. It could be a ghost story. It could be something else unexplained or weird that you that you've come across in your own life. Get it off your chest.
00:21:37
Neil Armstrong
You're not going to be judged by our readership. I think we're we're all open-minded and curious, and we're interested in finding out these experiences and what's happening.
00:21:48
Neil Armstrong
As you were just saying there, for instance, on time slips, Time slips kind of got me back into the paranormal interest. So after Encounters, I went off into all sorts of other areas of publishing and and of business. And I had a you know couple of creative agencies as well.
00:22:11
Neil Armstrong
But a few years ago, I was at a dinner party and mate of mine, who's actually called Barry Field. He's named his his stories in my book, that one of the one of the stories in Timeslip Phenomenon book.
00:22:28
Neil Armstrong
But he told me a story that had happened to him, and he termed it to me at the time as a timeslip, and I'd never heard of what a timeslip was. And his story really intrigued me.
00:22:41
Neil Armstrong
It's in the book, but i'll again, I'll tell you a little bit about the story, which is he was working in in rural Wales and at lunchtime used to go for a walk.
00:22:53
Neil Armstrong
And used to it was this industrial estate that he was working on. was very surrounded by lovely fields and and a forest and he used to go for a walk for an hour.
00:23:04
Neil Armstrong
And this this one lunchtime, he's set off to walk the usual route and noticed that it was a lot more overgrown than it had been just the day before.
00:23:14
Neil Armstrong
And he noticed a tree stump that he'd never noticed before. And then he encountered person who was leaning up against the the fence that engaged him in a conversation.
00:23:19
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:23:26
Neil Armstrong
And to cut a long story short, the guy... Who engaged him in conversation was was telling him how sorry he was about the news that the king had just died and Again, the the detail of that is in the book but it turned out that the guy that he encountered was talking about he was talking about George the fifth and
00:23:47
Lee Hatfield
Oh, wow.
00:23:51
Neil Armstrong
and and was was saying that he had just found out that morning that the King had died and he had mentioned that he died of,
00:24:01
Lee Hatfield
Oh, that's crazy.
00:24:01
Neil Armstrong
I think a bronchial thrombosis or something like that. That's very specific. And then, you know, so Barry thought this was weird anyway, but, you know, didn't freak out, sort of continued the conversation, had the conversation, then went on his way and then got back to work and thought that's just so bizarre. He actually went back out and the the the the the path was wasn't overgrown.
00:24:32
Neil Armstrong
The guy wasn't there. so he So he put that down as a time slip and he'd never heard of these things before. He had then investigated, I think he had looked up upon online, if you if you if you sort of put this stuff in, you'll find Bold Street in Liverpool.
00:24:42
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:24:50
Neil Armstrong
which is the kind of hot spot in the UK, just because it's had a couple of storie famous stories reported. But there's there's a lot more. So it was that story of a time slip that got me intrigued. And then I started, and this was about three or four years ago, I started researching time slips, enough for a book.
00:25:09
Neil Armstrong
But that also then got me involved in thinking and looking at supernatural, paranormal things and the whole world that we've been talking about. And that's when I decided that EnigmaZine could be a possibility.
00:25:26
Lee Hatfield
Yes, Matt. I'm just in awe with regard to that story that you just mentioned. it's Yeah. You're just having a normal walk on a on a day that you do dear many times in the week and you come across a person that's talking about a different different time.
00:25:45
Neil Armstrong
Yeah.
00:25:46
Lee Hatfield
And it's sort like, how can you put that into context? People think you're going to be losing your mind.
00:25:51
Lee Hatfield
That's crazy. Okay, so before we go, I've got one more question for you, and I think this is my best question of the day. So I know you've been writing about the paranormal for many years, and...
00:26:08
Lee Hatfield
I know that you've got more knowledge than what I have, but you've been writing about it longer. So here we go. With regard
What Would Neil Prove Exists?
00:26:15
Lee Hatfield
to the paranormal, in some aspects of it, it is very difficult to prove.
00:26:22
Lee Hatfield
So if you could prove one thing in total existence within the paranormal world, which branch would it be and why?
00:26:33
Neil Armstrong
marvellous question.
00:26:35
Neil Armstrong
I think personally it would be...
00:26:40
Neil Armstrong
i think it would be the existence of aliens... on this planet. The reason for that is I think it would blow everything else open. I don't think it would give us any sort of solution to what ghosts are, but it would it would certainly redefine certain things in history that we could look at.
00:27:01
Neil Armstrong
And I also give that answer thinking and hoping that we will have that evidence within the next few years and certainly within my lifetime.
00:27:13
Neil Armstrong
I think some of the some of the the evidence and the actual you know on the record stuff now coming from the US government gives some credence to a lot of theories that there has been.
00:27:23
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:27:29
Neil Armstrong
And I think we're we're so close to just accepting the fact and And then, you know, moving on from that. But I think what it will do is it will open up a lot of these other fields of the paranormal and will maybe take all of them more seriously. And I think it can only be a good thing.
Discussion on the Existence of Bigfoot
00:27:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because I asked a Bigfoot investigator a similar question that would he reveal to the world if he came face to face with a Bigfoot?
00:28:02
Lee Hatfield
And funnily enough, he actually said that he would not because he would want to protect the species. So he would not announce it to the world. And I was actually quite surprised about that.
00:28:15
Lee Hatfield
Compared, you know, sort of like, yes, people would want to know about it, but he wants to protect the species. But then I completely understood why he would do what he wanted to do. And it's like, I can't fault him for that. That was it like asking him a similar question and getting that answer was like amazing.
00:28:34
Neil Armstrong
Yeah, I think that's when it comes to Bigfoot as well. i think that's a really that's that's a brilliant answer because there's no doubt in my mind, in my investigations and my reading and research that Bigfoot is a definite.
00:28:57
Neil Armstrong
absolute, nailed on, definite, definitely, 100%. one hundred percent The evidence, I think, is irrefutable. he's he's that that there is big There is a species of Bigfoot.
00:29:10
Neil Armstrong
and And yeah, we I would like more some more evidence, but yeah, I wouldn't like them to be, you know, but i wouldn't like the existence of a Bigfoot zoo anytime soon.
00:29:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:29:20
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:29:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it just brings memories back to Jurassic Park.
00:29:31
Neil Armstrong
Exactly. We haven't got a Bigfoot. It would have to be a big bit of amber to get a Bigfoot in it.
00:29:37
Lee Hatfield
Okay. Yeah. So... yeah
00:29:42
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:29:45
Lee Hatfield
Oh, for sure.
Conclusion and Gratitude
00:29:46
Lee Hatfield
Well, I appreciate your time today. I hope I've done some so some positive publicity for your magazine. And if people do want to subscribe, like you said, there's Pocket Mags and going to the website themselves, they can subscribe to the magazine.
00:30:04
Lee Hatfield
But I thank you for your time. And hopefully we'll be in touch pretty soon to talk about other things.
00:30:12
Neil Armstrong
Yes, Lee, thank you very much for your time.
00:30:12
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:30:14
Neil Armstrong
And any time that that you want to wear chew the fat about anything paranormal or unknown, just let me know. I'd be delighted to pop on.
00:30:24
Lee Hatfield
Perfect. Thanks very much, Neil. Take care. Bye-bye.
00:30:28
Neil Armstrong
Thanks.