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smandere1: Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Mom Tabulous. I am Charla Mandare, your host, and with me today is Montserrat Corsino. She is a licensed acupuncturist and functional medicine health coach with over 14 years of experience in integrative medicine, specializing in maternal exhaustion. I don't know what mom hearing that doesn't go, hi, me, maternal exhaustion. She's passionate about helping mothers reclaim their vitality empowering them to thrive both at home in the world. With her expertise, Montserrat is dedicated to guiding moms on their journey to renewed energy so they can continue to nurture their families and share their light with the world. Welcome Montserrat.
Montserrat: Thank you, so happy to be here.
smandere1: And we're on totally different time zones.
Montserrat: That's fine.
smandere1: You're like, nine hours ahead of me?
Montserrat: Mm -hmm, yep, it's dark and cold right now.
smandere1: And it will remind me where you where you're located again.
Montserrat: I'm in Spain on the coast of Brava, yeah, just north of Barcelona.
smandere1: I want to go to Spain. I want to go to Spain. Now I have a friend in Spain, so.
Montserrat: Boy, come on by.
smandere1: Yeah. Okay. So tell us about yourself and how you, how you, you know, started helping working with mom, aga the acupuncture and I love acupuncture. It's one of my favorite things.
Montserrat: Yeah, it's great. Um, yeah, I, so I got into Chinese medicine and acupuncture back in college. Uh, I went to UC Santa Cruz and in California and I was an athlete, I was a tennis player, slug tennis player, and I got a few injuries. I had like some repetitive stress stuff going on, but then I, I got a few injuries, um, along with chronic bronchitis and if you've lived in Santa Cruz, you know how damp it can be there. And it's just, I just like was getting chronic stuff. And so, um, you know, I was repeatedly going to the clinic at school and they were giving me antibiotics and I was like, no way, I'm not going to do this anymore. Cause it didn't feel right to me. It wasn't an alignment with, um, how I wanted to feel. Um, being an athlete, I was very in tune with my body.
Montserrat: And so um I had a friend at the time going to, Aki booked her school in Santa Cruz and I mentioned it to her and I said, I have this cough and it's like kind of chronic and it's like this. And I described it to her and I coughed and she just like, i immediately it was like, oh, you got, you have damp, you know, damp heat or damp cold. I can't remember what it was at the time. of Oh, you should take this herb.
Montserrat: Uh, and just like super quick and everything kind of lit up in my brain, um, the way that she was describing it. And I was just like, yes, that's, that's how it feels. That's exactly it. And so, um, that was when I first got the like bug, so to speak, like just like caught it and was like, Oh my gosh, this is amazing medicine. Not only because of her description, but because I took her advice and I started taking the herbs and I noticed such a huge difference.
Montserrat: I just kept doing it for like, I don't know, six months to a year or something. And I never, I hadn't, I stopped coughing. I didn't get that cough again after, you know, still living in Santa Cruz after that. And then on another occasion, I had the needles, I had acupuncture and for a pinched nerve in my back.
Montserrat: And I tried so many different things and nothing was touching it. And I got one acupuncture session and I was like, Oh my gosh, like I can bend fully. My range of motion is back. And so I was a believer and I was like, I gotta do this thing. Like gotta, you know, go deep into it. So then I came back to it years later after some world travel that I had to get done. Um, and then, yeah, went back to, to California and did acupuncture school and,
Montserrat: I've been doing it ever since and added the functional medicine part in 2020. And that really boosted my practice because it is the missing kind of, it is a bridge between Western medicine and Eastern medicine. So I love that. I love just like using all the tools available to us, you know, in modern times, but there's so much wisdom in the ancient medicine.
Montserrat: So integrat you know integrating the new and the old is basically what functional medicine is. And so that's where I'm at now. And I just use all the tools that I can ah to help my patients.
smandere1: Yeah. I'm all about that into like the new and the old, right? Like I love it because we do have modern medicine for a reason, but there are things that, you know, a lot of people are moving to like, I want to be more holistic. I want, but I don't know what to do. And so I love that. Um, and you know, as a, as a mom, like acupuncture is my, like, like I nap, I nap. It's my nap time.
smandere1: I go with some needles in me and I will fall asleep and then I wake up and I'm rested. I feel better. And like it's helped me with regulating hormones in perimenopause too, which is cool.
Montserrat: It's amazing for that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a deep nap, right? It's not like a normal nap. It's like transported to other dimensions. That's how I feel about it.
smandere1: Yeah. And I don't nap like.
Montserrat: ands
smandere1: I don't nap. I wake up feeling groggy. No matter how tired I am, I'm like, just give me some caffeine because if I nap, I'm going to wake up feeling worse. so But acupuncture nap, I don't.
Montserrat: Perfect.
smandere1: I wake up feeling so good. So moms, if you want to nap, go get some acupuncture done. um So yeah, you know, there's a lot of, we were talking about the expectations on moms, right?
smandere1: To be the super mom and hold all the things and We were talking about like what, at what cost is neglecting yourself, right? Come to not just you, but to your family too. So this, the self -care season two here at mom tabulous, right? It's all about our health and our self -care and our mental, physical, emotional, spiritual health. And so part of this, right? Is letting go of the guilt of putting you first, right? Being able to take care of you,
smandere1: guilt -free.
Montserrat: Yeah, that's a, that's a great start. And it's deeper than just self care, right? Like we hear a bit this like catch phrase, like self care, self care. And it's, I think it goes beyond that. I'm all about self care, but it's not just like a bubble bath or something, you know, it's like, how am I really doing and really checking in? You know, there's a lot of moms that, you know, are going,
Montserrat: their health is declining and they don't even know it because they're not checking in. They're giving and giving, right? Whether it's at work or with the kids. Um, they're just giving so much and, and they they are super moms, you know, like the fact that you're raising children and doing everything that you do these days, a lot of us are managing some, we're wearing many hats, right? It's not just like,
Montserrat: Even if you're a stay -at -home mom, you're managing a lot, right? Like you're managing all the schedules and um making sure everyone gets fed and taking, you know, everyone to their appointments and things like that. So it really comes down to knowing your body and really checking in and listening. And I think that's kind of beyond self -care, right? Like be beyond that superficial care. It's like, how is my mental health? How is my body like physical health?
Montserrat: How's my spirit? Am I on you know am i doing my connected to me? Because you know from the time your child is born, it's almost like you let go of yourself. right You let go of your who you used to be. You're a new person. That's a huge transition right as moms. We're letting go of the maiden, the the the woman that we used to be. And we're going into a very selfless time. And that can continue for many, many years.
Montserrat: so You know, at some point it's important to like really check in and, and, you know, a lot of our, a lot of moms these days are a little, you know, we're starting to have kids older in our late thirties or forties, even.
Montserrat: That takes us into our perimenopausal years, which is like, you know, those can be pretty rocky for a lot of us and you're managing your careers. A lot of women are at the top of their career at that time and kids. And so it just kind of compounds. Um, so do you know, addressing your health is, should be the priority so that you can really hold everything together for a long time. Right. The goal is sustainability too.
smandere1: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And I, you know, it's an, I was getting together a talk for another thing that I'm doing yesterday. And I was literally in this talk saying like, we are the first generations of moms to parent in the way that we are parenting now. There's, so with social media, with, you know, the news is all doom and gloom. The pressure is on moms and You know, I grew up in the eighties and early nineties. And at that point in the seventies and eighties and nineties, the moms, they they parented, but they didn't have to parent. I think as much we are parenting more because in the eighties, like my mom could say, go outside and play and come home by the time the streetlights come on. Right. And now you see a kid outside the 10 year old riding his bike outside.
smandere1: And you're like, where's your mother? but Why are they alone? Oh my God, they shouldn't be there. and And it's like two in the afternoon on a Saturday. They should absolutely be outside. And their parent probably most definitely knows where they are. right And even then, we my mom, they could take the Atari away and and go ride your bike. right Now if we send them outside, they still have their cell phones.
smandere1: so If you're, they're like, might they're probably filming a TikTok. you know like They're still on the device, right? We're the first generation of parents to have these devices in their pockets that you know if you take it away and they go outside, then there's the anxiety of, oh my God, now I can't get ahold of them. I can't track them on the app if something, I need to know where they are. I need to know they're okay. And where there's a whole, we're in the eighties, I'm sure my mom was like, are they okay?
smandere1: okay, it was calling neighbors like, do you see them down the street? They're there. Okay, cool. Hang up and went on with her whatever business, whatever she was doing, right?
Montserrat: Hmm.
smandere1: ah We have we have constant access. And it's, I think it's starting to drive moms a little crazy. I know it is me.
Montserrat: Yeah.
smandere1: like he said We have way less alone time.
Montserrat: Mm hmm.
smandere1: is You can't send them out. side at all in godly hours, at least not here in Southern California. Someone will call CPS, right? ah you know and and then and then and And it's never where's your father, right? Where's your mother? Does your mom know you're outside? Not does your dad know where you are. Does your mom know? There's no expectation on the dad to know or give two flying Fs where the kids are.
Montserrat: Wow. Yeah. There's the, there's always that like, yeah, those are the, um, double standard, right? For moms in our society that we have to live up to.
Montserrat: And we have that ah on ourselves too. We put it on ourselves, right? Like we can do it better.
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: So we don't expect or help ask for help.
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: You know, there's.
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: Yeah, it sounds ah really overwhelming. I mean, I'm, you know, I'm in a different country and my kids are in a different age. Like they don't have devices. Fortunately, um they're five in one.
Montserrat: So I could totally, printed you know, see that being a problem and it's overwhelming.
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: And yeah, that's another, yet another big stressor and it's the unknown too. It's like, it's a big experiment. So, There's just not a lot of kind of support for that, I don't think, um you know for moms to like go through what they're going through, and maybe there are like community wise but
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: You know, we're it's very isolating to be living in this time where people are on devices, kids and parents. I mean, I see it.
Montserrat: I used to see it a lot at restaurants in the States, like a mom on her phone and you know the kids also on their devices at the table, not even making eye contact.
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: so it's It's a pretty tricky thing to navigate, and I don't have the answers to that, but I could i just know how it how much it can weigh on the moms.
smandere1: Yeah. And so it's extra important, right? To give to ourself, to take some of that stress, lower the cortisol levels, take that, not necessarily take the pressure off? Well, ah yeah, like, right, that the acupuncture and holistic medicine, and, you know, this deep old self care, right, where it is a self care, but a deeper self care can help to take that stress away, maybe some of the worries. And just even, just like I said, if when you're like, never alone, to have that moment of like, the acupuncturist walks out of the room, and I lay on the table, and and and I'm alone.
smandere1: For nobody nobody's coming to me with needles all over me like can I get a glass of water can I.
Montserrat: Totally. No. is' a moment out of time, like when you can just lay there and be with the needles and your own energy. Really. That's what it's doing.
Montserrat: That's what acupuncture is. It's working with your own chi. Um, but yeah, the, you know, knowing, knowing again, just coming back to moms that are, might be overwhelmed or distracted or,
smandere1: yeah
Montserrat: just juggling so much. It's really important to pay attention to your body and your symptoms. Like I said, if you're 40 plus and sometimes as early as 30, because perimenopause starts as early as 30, you could be having these symptoms that you don't really give two minutes to think about.
Montserrat: they will progress and they can go on to cause a really rocky menopausal time or, you know, pyramidopausal time. So that's, that's where I really encourage moms to, you know, go to acupuncture, go to a functional medicine practitioner, naturopath, an energy worker, anyone that's going to be in, you know, kind of responsive to the energy and the sort of the, the.
Montserrat: preventative um preventative methods that exist and just like maintenance, you know? Like unit you get your car tuned up, you make sure your kids get their checkups and all of that.
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: You go to the dentist, like you need that as well. um And you know, it doesn't, you don't have to wait till it's like hot flashes or something. Like so many people are just like, oh, I'm fine. I don't have any, you know, I don't think I'm going through perimenopause or, you know, I'm not near that.
Montserrat: I don't have any hot flashes. and It's like, wait, theres there's so many more things to look out for. And, you know, like when moms tell me like, oh yeah, I just have mom brain or I just have, you know, no libido or like lost, yeah, I just skipped my period. Like this is normal stuff, you know, or they're just like suffering from weight gain, like forever. And they can't, whatever they do, they can't lose it. I'm like, these are all things you should get. You know, they're not, they're not normal. They're normal.
Montserrat: They're like common, but they're not normal, like in terms of health. So my suggestion is always like, you know, or suggestion or thought or perspective is that these are all signs that your body is giving you. And as women, we have so many more signs than men do. So we need to listen. We have our periods to kind of track or to pay attention to.
Montserrat: That is like a God, you know, big gift that we have to like, be like, if there's anything off in my cycle, I know there's something wrong, right? We know that when we're under stress, things will happen. Things will change. You'll have more PMS or whatever. If you're not, if you're not losing the weight, like, yeah, there's something going on. Sure. You're aging, but we want to age gracefully. If we want to age, you know, live into our nineties and even hundreds, like,
Montserrat: It's all about health span, right? Not just life span. We want good health into till the very last day. So we can't leave this till the end.
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: We can't wait till our kids go to leave the house or we can't, you know, like, or till retirement. It's like now's the time. What we do in our forties is going to totally influence us in our 60s, 70s and 80s.
Montserrat: Disease doesn't just start when you're like old, you know?
smandere1: Yeah, for sure. Women live longer than men, but women also live the later years in poorer health than men.
Montserrat: And then.
smandere1: And so, yeah, it's important. You got to set that foundation now. I just shared a post recently on Instagram about the perimenopause about like, I had my second child like three days before my 36th birthday.
smandere1: And knowing that perimenopause can start as early as like 3035,
Montserrat: no
smandere1: It's kind of maddening that you could be having babies and hitting perimenopause. Potentially, either at the same time or so close together. right There are things posed to my children that I go, was it postpartum anxiety or was it perimenopause related? Was I there already? i I don't know. I can't go back and write figure it out. but like There's so many, there's things that I think you're right. Like moms go, well, this is just because this, this is because I'm sleep deprived. This is, and maybe it is right. But also maybe there's more things we can do about it. You know, sleep is, is important. Moms need sleep. it And it's something that feels like it's out of our control a lot of the time, right? Like.
smandere1: When the kids wake up, they've got to be fed in the middle of the night with their babies, right? They, or they need water. They just had a nightmare. They wet the bed or their potty training or whatever. And even I have teenagers that still I'm like, can you please, please go to sleep.
Montserrat: Yeah. lunch Especially when they're on devices, right? ah Like it keeps stimulating their brains. Yeah.
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: It's, I mean, and just to kind of talk about perimenopause a little more, it's, um, I think it's like one in three women, uh, in perimenopause report that their symptoms are significant.
Montserrat: They significantly interfere with their lives and they impact their ability to be a good parent and maintain relationships. So if we were to kind of go backwards or like kind of rewind and find the root cause of like problems at work, problems with relationships, trump problems with parenting, and not to say that it's our fault, but if we can get to the root of it, it is in our health. Like that's the bottom line, whether we're in menopause or perimenopause or postmenopausal or, you know, still menstruating, but our hormones are off.
Montserrat: The point is like, let's get back to the root. And the root is really the mom of, you know, the mom's like the foundation of the family. And if we can get to the, to the root of our health issues, um, our family will flourish, right? Like we will have a strong foundation and it's super important. Um, that's why it's so important, you know, and it's not a selfish, selfish act to
smandere1: Right.
Montserrat: prioritize ourselves. And a lot of us, I mean, I even have believed that, you know, I'm not going to go get a massage because that's selfish and my babies need me at home. And you know, and at the end of the day, it's like, no, wait a minute. I'm not going to, I'm going to be a way better mom. If I have that time off, if I feel good in my body, I will appreciate the moments and I will like take those those in if I have the health to do so. And so really like hormones, um,
Montserrat: They tend to take like a big ah you know center stage, um but they're often like the branch um also like of the problem. So sometimes, and a lot of times it's the chronic stress that leads to hormonal imbalance or fluctuations. And that's like truly my kind of like specialty is dealing with stress hormones and chronic stress and fatigue in women and moms.
Montserrat: And, you know, but we can say mom is synonymous with fatigue and exhaustion. um Like how many moms do you know that aren't tired? It's it's really like they go hand in hand. So the reason is because of chronic stress or, you know, we often don't consider it our lives to be chronically stressed. But when you're watching after kids and you're raising kids and trying to keep them alive and working,
Montserrat: and doing all the things you are chronically stressed. And so you're depleting your stress hormones and your stress hormones are depleting your sex hormones. So you can go into perimenopause earlier, or you can have these like really intense, um, menopausal symptoms because of that, those stress hormones that have been slowly, you know, depleting over the course of 10 years, you know,
Montserrat: 15 years, things like that. So as soon as you know that you're stressed, that's like you know ah knowing you have a problem is the first step and then and you know addressing that and really getting getting the nourishment and the help that you need to kind of bring yourself back from that chronic depletion state.
smandere1: yeah
smandere1: Yeah. Yeah. 100%, right? Yeah. I joke around and say like, I've been sleep deprived for 15 years.
Montserrat: Yeah.
smandere1: I mean, i mean I have slept a little, right? But yeah, I mean, and I feel like even as they get older, when I make, when my kids were little, I remember being like, Oh, when they're like older, I'll, no, you, you, I feel like the worries just change. They're at a party, a high school party. And you're like, Oh God.
smandere1: what are they experiencing there? I know what I experienced at high school parties, right? But now it's way worse and there's people are recording things. So, you know, um it's it's so like, you've got to trust your own parenting and and values that you put in them, but also, you know, it's like, I need to know your home and you're safe before I can rest, right?
Montserrat: Yeah, jeez, yeah, I haven't even. Yeah, like I said, I'm not there yet, but yeah, it can be really stressful to
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: to not be able to turn it off. you know like and that's I hear that so much as moms going through their baby not sleeping and you know turning into years of like disrupted sleep, even after their baby's sleeping well.
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: And and that's that's a problem. you know like If you're waking up at all, it's a problem.
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: you
smandere1: You just get used to, you get used to being woken up, right? So then the first time they sleep through the night, it's like, Oh God, that was great.
Montserrat: yeah
smandere1: Is that a fluke? Is it going to happen more? Are we waking up tonight three times? Like, right? Like, what? Ah, and then you, I would lay awake in anticipation of being woken up.
Montserrat: was contain in There you go. Yeah. That's your nervous, um, an overdrive. Yeah.
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: It's kind of, you can't, oh, you can't ever turn it off because what if you don't hear them or what if you miss something, you know?
smandere1: Well, or for me, it was like, what if I'm just, you know, in that space just where you're just falling asleep and then you hear mom and you're like, i I was so right.
Montserrat: um
Montserrat: Yeah.
smandere1: So I'm like, I don't want to, I don't want to be like so close and then get woken up.
Montserrat: Yeah.
smandere1: So I might as well just stay awake. That was the thing because getting woken up was worse than just staying awake to me.
Montserrat: Yeah. Totally.
smandere1: be more more I'd be more like, I think it jump started that cortisol, right? Where it was like, oh and then it was like, I was so close. yeah ah Why? you know So just staying awake was my way of I think maybe like controlling the stress.
Montserrat: Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's like, oh my gosh, it's... Unfortunately, it's more common than not. I mean, and even just like being tired is like normal, you know, like you, and I know that from my own personal experience, like, you know, after wait, you know, having my baby waking up nightly for feeding, you know, nursing and, you know, it's been, I don't know, maybe six or seven months or less, actually, because with travel and stuff.
Montserrat: that she's been able to sleep through the night without waking up, but I still get up from like, you know, somebody moving upstairs or like a sound outside or dog barking, like every little thing, right? It's like your, your body is still in a pattern of waking and, um, and nature, you know, biology does it for us in the, in the first few years, our babies really need us to be, you know, their protectors and keep them safe. So.
Montserrat: our bodies are just and on high alert. But um when it goes up beyond those years is is when it can become really depleting and problematic and that can lead to other issues like depression, and anxiety and, um, gut issues and hormonal issues. And, you know, a lot of women don't connect the two. They just think this is a separate issue. And often one of the questions I ask is when did it start? And they can kind of go back and so many moms are just like, Oh, after I had my baby, you know, like it's like a realization to them. Well, when I had my baby, like they, you know, they think,
Montserrat: that was the start to something, but they don't think of it as a continuation, like their symptoms now. But, you know, postpartum, postpartum, you always be postpartum. Like you've had a baby, you're postpartum. But that's how I always like, I like to think of it that way or like put that in people, women's head, because really, your body went through a big transformation. And if you didn't nourish it right after you had the baby or like soon after,
Montserrat: those symptoms will, that depletion will continue to be drained or continue to, you know, deplete your body of everything if you haven't been filling up your tank, you know, consistently.
Montserrat: So.
smandere1: Yeah. And so ways to fill our tank, right? That deeper self care, checking in, we've got acupuncture, you have, you have a monthly masterclass. You leave it's Thursday, Thursday evenings. Is that Thursday evening, Spain?
Montserrat: Um, it's yeah, so it's Thursday evening here. So it's Thursday morning this week, this month, um, in October, it's on Thursday, um, in a couple of days, actually on the 17th.
Montserrat: And it's going to be, um, at eight, uh, sorry, 11 30 Pacific, uh, 11 30 AM. And, um, I, in this masterclass it's called, um, from exhausted to expansive, um, three evidence -based strategies for
smandere1: Okay.
Montserrat: tired moms to radically reduce fatigue. And I share the root cause of exhaustion. And I share my story on there as well, healing myself through adrenal fatigue um and sort of like strategies to get you kind of out of the exhaustion.
Montserrat: um And I also offer, I have a course, an online course that I'm really proud of. Um, and it's a 12 week, uh, course and it, it's called the monte method and it helps you get out of your exhaustion. And it really addresses, uh, every aspect of your life. Um, from your relationships to your sleep habits, to your breathing, to your nutrition, of course.
Montserrat: All these pillars of health that are so like crucial right that we don't give a lot of attention to. um And in that in that course, every week we have live coaching. And that's like my favorite time because it's ah in a group. um it's an a It's in a group. It's a group coaching call. So we have all the moms.
Montserrat: ah get on together. It's a very intimate space and we get to talk about all the things that come up around the different modules. And and that's something that a lot of us need, right? We need we need the tribe and the ah group to the you know to have accountability, but also to have to connect with and to go through these years with.
Montserrat: um And it can be really transformational to have that support and the ears, right? Like other women listening and relating and you just get so much out of listening to all the moms and their experiences.
smandere1: You amazing. I love, I love that you're supporting moms in that way. I think I'm going to show up to the masterclass Thursday. Um, and so that's on, on your website.
smandere1: And it's spelled M M A N A I N. Oh, M A N a Mona integrated.
Montserrat: and mother help dot com yeah
smandere1: Yeah.
Montserrat: Mona is a link to book to register for the the master class on my homepage.
smandere1: and
Montserrat: um I just I love working with moms and I just feel like that's my work in the world to support and uplift moms because they
Montserrat: They just, they they're so important, right, to society and they contribute so much and they're the future and they're the present and they are, you know, we're raising the future. So we need all the support we can get. And, and you know, I didn't talk about nutrition, but that's also something that I feel super passionate about. And a lot of what I um support moms with is like,
Montserrat: getting proper nutrition. and And sometimes it's really basic and easy and sometimes it's really hard because obviously obviously we don't all have lots of time to prepare meal, you know, do all the meal planning and prep and all of that. um So um I do make it really easy in my program. And I also, you know, customize things when I work one on one with clients. So nutrition is a big part of working with me.
Montserrat: But yeah, we with moms, i and just I think it's super important to to emphasize nutrient -dense diets. And that's how that is your medicine every day. And yeah, it's very cliche to say food is your medicine, but especially as moms who have given birth, if you've ever given birth or you know had a baby,
Montserrat: you need to eat nutrient dense food. Like everybody should have some kind of nutritional, um, you know, benefit to you. Um, sure you can have the treats, but like in any given day you need nutrient dense food. And I would push it, push even further and say every single meal needs to be nutrient dense. You know, I don't like to take away so much, but I like to add, and that makes things,
Montserrat: much easier, right? Like mentally, emotionally, it's like, let's add these nutrient dense, like golden foods in your diet and see how you feel because our bodies respond so well to foods.
smandere1: Yeah.
smandere1: For sure.
Montserrat: So.
smandere1: Yeah. Especially if you're nursing a baby, if you're in perimenopause or menopause, like Adding things a lot of people like to take away. I'm with you on the adding. I look at to what do we add?
smandere1: To make sure that we're getting what we need to sustain us throughout the day and Right and it helped us to reach those goals, you know that we want like maybe but right It's about adding it is for sure so people can go to your website and they can look at that course and they can do that master class and
Montserrat: yeah
smandere1: And I've appreciated having you on so much and you know one thing that I one thing one small thing that I took away from this is this is this is worldly right moms it doesn't this is not just that you're not just a sleep deprived American mom you're not a stressed out American mom.
Montserrat: Exactly.
Montserrat: Yeah.
smandere1: this is in Spain, they are too. If this is moms universally, it's it's ah it's a global epidemic.
Montserrat: and huh
smandere1: It's a global thing that moms need to take care of themselves no matter where you are.
Montserrat: yeah
smandere1: So I i feel a little better because I'm always like, oh, I bet in like France or Spain or you know Europe, they're so well rested and not stressed.
smandere1: what
Montserrat: i have to say Yeah, my stress level is definitely less here, but we still have the same worries, right? We're still trying to raise kids and you know keep keep food on the table and earn a living and all of that. So you know it's it's definitely like you know learning how to manage stress is a big one as well. That's ah another point that I stress or emphasize um with with my patients and They definitely have it down a lot more here, I think, like the man -in -a -balance, you know, that like work -life balance and social balance and family time and, you know, this part of the world, I feel, doesn't live to work. They work to live. And so that's a big difference that I found in the U .S. where, you know, we identify a lot with our work and our, you know, um our status in the workplace.
Montserrat: which is there's nothing wrong with that and it's great to be proud but but it does cause extra stress on top of just parenting so yes as moms we do we need we need all the support we can get so yeah
smandere1: and No matter where you go, kids are going to kid. They're going to wake up. They're going to tantrum.
Montserrat: you
smandere1: They're going to cry. They've all got cell phones. They've got teenagers. you know they The kids kids are going to kid, so moms need to take care of themselves so you can be the best mom you can be.
smandere1: This has been so great. I'm so grateful to have met you and had you on.
Montserrat: yeah
smandere1: Thank you for taking your time.
Montserrat: my pleasure
smandere1: And I hope people i hope people join the master class and not master classes and and and grab that grab that course.
Montserrat: Thank you so much and hope to see you there for having me.
smandere1: I love it.
smandere1: Yes, all right.
Montserrat: It's been great.
smandere1: Yeah, it has been. And we'll see you in the next episode.
Montserrat: All right.
