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Daily Palace - Energised Eze, Mitchell to Manchester and Boyish Bostock
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As Like Everyday Wale, Joe, Alex, and Dan are discussing the latest goings on at the Mighty Palace
In this Episode: Joe and Dan talk about Eze's form and a series of wing-back rumours, before celebrating Luke Littler's 18th birthday.
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Introduction to Daily Palace Podcast
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Hello and welcome back to the Daily Palace podcast brought to you by the Global Sports Podcast Network. If you're
Joe's Lanzarote Tan and Camel Insights
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watching this on YouTube and are concerned you've accidentally tuned into the Trump inauguration, don't worry, it's just me, Joe Lodge. I've come back from a week in Lanzarote with a bright orange glow and newfound belief that camels are more dangerous than volcanoes.
Social Media Reactions to Sports Events
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With me today is Dan Tanner. How are you doing, Dan?
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Dan Tanner
I'm doing all right. We had a and good result on the weekend, which I managed to do was on doing the ah social media reactions. So it was all great fun, but seeing all the reactions from people. So I had a good weekend and ah glad you had a nice holiday.
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Thank you, Dan. Thank you. and Yeah, I mean, what a good weekend. What a way to cap
Football Excitement: Mateta's Goals
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off my holiday with two goals from my favourite man in the world, John Philip Mateta. We're not going to discuss that today. We are going instead to talk about the form of one of Palace's other biggest stars.
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ah
Eze's Performance and Potential
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a succession of left wing back related to transfer stories and finish off by ah Picking our favorite teenagers ever to pull on the red and blue So first off we are going to talk about as a Credit where it's due. This is inspired by an article in the athletic by Matt Woosnam just kind of Analyzing the fact that has now made a goal contribution in each of his last five games, but there's maybe still a sense that he isn't quite at his his sharpest, his freest, and affecting games as much as we know he can do. What do you think, Dan? Is he is he approaching his best form again?
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Dan Tanner
um I would have thought he's kind of getting there. If you asked me this question a couple of months ago I probably would have said no he's absolutely nowhere because he was just getting the ball charging down the pitch and then trying to take on a try and do a worldy goal of 35 yards out or trying to do it all himself. In the last few games he started to become the playmaker we kind of need him to be he's starting to sort of hold up the play a little bit more waiting for teammates to get into position instead of just trying to do it all himself and definitely in the last couple of games West Ham being a perfect example of a really deadly connection is starting to brew with him and Mateta. I think it was also in the Ipswich game where they sort of also hooked up essentially as well to create a
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Dan Tanner
absolutely brilliant sort of play and and a goal of it at the end of it. So he's starting to, I think, develop more as a player, just sort of realizing that, yeah, you don't have to do it all yourself. And he's waiting for sort of, yeah, he's just basically, yeah, just that kind of thing. So I think he's sort of maybe not in the truest form, but I think he's just developing as a player. He's realizing that he doesn't have to do it all himself.
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Yeah I think you're right that he looked at odds with the rest of the team in the first part of the season, partly because the rest of the team didn't really have a what felt like a functioning kind of structure to plug into. They all looked a bit confused at what they were doing, so I guess it made sense that he was ultimately ending up trying to to do it all alone. But he looks like he's getting closer to finding his his role within this sort of maybe more reactive Crystal Palace than the one
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the version of Glaston's Palace City played in at the end of last season with Alise and Mateta firing. I still don't think he's he's quite affecting games.
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in the way that he probably can and we've seen him do in the past. So despite his output improving a lot in the last um in the last like four games before, three or four games in the league before um the West Ham game, he was averaging about, I think he basically made 20 to 21 passes in each of them.
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And then he made 31, which is quite a big jump in terms of the way he was playing against West Ham, and that was really encouraging. um I think that lack of involvement at times is made reflected in expected assists for the season. They're reasonably low, so while he has set five up, they're still set at 2.7, which is he can definitely get that better than that.
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um
Eze and Team Dynamics
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but he definitely looks more confident, more decisive, more on the way of living with his teammates and that has been affected in the higher output and you I don't want to be overly critical of him. He's definitely been one of Palace's three or four best players this season. It's just that we know he's is one of Palace's probably two best players in terms of his ceiling and um that he, I still feel a sense that he can be even better, we have seen him be even better and that he will be even better going forward. ah One of the things that was explored in that article in The Athletic was sort of a question of
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whether palaces turn to more counter-attacking, say more conservative football has inhibited him. Do you think it has, Dan? And following up, if you think it has, would it be worth tweaking the system to get the best out of him?
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Dan Tanner
um I'm not sure about tweaking the system to just essentially do one sort to make one player better. the whole The point of the system is it's supposed to make the unit as a whole better. But I don't think it's really changed him all that much. um I think it's more that he has to kind of be the main focus So with the signing of Essie from the other day, I think that might open him up a little bit more once he's got a couple of games under his belt, just so they can have that kind of tandem dual threat kind of system that we had last year with Lacey. I think that's probably what's kind of maybe ah changed in sort of him at the moment, because he's having to be the main
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he's the main threat when he goes forward. So he's probably getting a lot more attention from the midfielders and the defenders than he probably was used to last year. So I don't think, yeah, once e as he's probably got a couple of games under his belt, I think you'll start to see that he'll probably open up a little bit more, might start to be a bit more creative and might be able to get some of the space he's been kind of looking for.
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Dan Tanner
But this was also the reason that we got in Ketya, so we could also be an asset in that kind of ah position as well. just He hasn't really worked out in the same way. that's kind yeah I can't really think that it's really the the system because I think we were kind of largely sort of doing counter-attacking last year as well. It's very much sort of definitely against some of the bigger teams anyway, is sitting back and making ourselves difficult to play against.
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Dan Tanner
So um i don't think it's I don't think it's a system. I just very much of Eze needed to stop taking the burden on himself, not going, I'm just going to carry it. It's like they're our teammates. It is a team sport. You don't need to do it all yourself.
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Yeah, I think I think you're right it's Well firstly on the point of would you tweak the system? No. Palace are currently in a great groove, have a stable way of playing and look like really one of the toughest teams to beat in the league over the last 10 games or so. So you don't you don't don't take the try you don't drain the wipe of fluid to use it to polish the hubcaps, you know what I mean? It's absolutely no need to change the system. It's very good, even if it didn't mean getting in the best out of it. I agree. I don't also like think the system exactly is the problem. It's more issue of two things.
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getting used to playing a slightly different way, which is maybe a result of the personnel changing around him more than the actual counter-attacking and defensive onus per se, um in that he's used to dovetailing with um Saha and or Elise say and playing with these really like-minded creative free-flowing players,
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bouncing off them and that's how he kind of creates the space and gets into a flow and and he doesn't really have them in the palace team. Right now, as you say, we can see what what happens with ah with with the new boy Romanes, but
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I don't think he needs that. I think that's just how he's used to playing, if that makes any sense. So you have players who who do need that. um like I think Sancho is ah is the prime example of a player who doesn't have the kind of physicality to beat people in open spaces.
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the way he beats people is having players close to him, lots of passing options and lots of solutions and then being really creative about how he bounces it off his teammates and little runs he makes. As he does do that, but I don't think he needs to, he's got the strength and ability to drive forwards and yeah, beat people one-on-one. That means that isn't a necessity to him. I think it's just sort of a little bit of reprogramming to that and there is a scenario where we've seen glimpses of this. A player like Eze, a creative number 10, can be brilliant in a counter-attacking team. You just need to look at Meza Erzil around Madrid's prime example of someone who just has that vision to
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make the right pass, make the right run when the whole team is streaming forward and Palace have loads of runners or players streaming forward and occasionally you see as they drift into that central kind of pocket and start pulling the strings there and it's really exciting really effective and ah admittedly Mateta does a lot to do but that's kind of where he is and how he's playing when he slots Mateta in for the first goal against West Ham And I think going forward, so even if, um, if S doesn't prove to be the ELISA replacement and you know, SAR continues to play and it becomes still stays more sort of direct and transitional. I think as they can absolutely thrive in that system, it's just
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a slow process of reprogramming the way he plays. And I think we're seeing him do that and and he will and he will succeed in it and yet be awesome for Palace. So not that
Transfer Speculations and Team Impact
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again, not that I think he's been on any level bad. He's just, I think he can be even better with the ability he has. and And I think he will be even better. And it's encouraging for a really strong second half to the season.
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um We'll pause there, ah have a little word from our sponsor, and then transition into a hopefully similarly strong second third of the podcast.
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Now, we've been banging on all season about how Palace need more left wingback options. ah It seems people in high places have been listening and have maliciously conspired to leave the club without anyone in that role. We've got three transfer stories to talk about here, which depending on how they play out, could leave Palace from anywhere from three to zero left wingbacks in 10 days time.
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um So starting with the first one, ah another another team slash high profile mismanaged corporate entity in the sports industry that need more wing backs is Manchester United, also owing to their manager's dogmatic system um of a three at the back, similar to the one that Glastner plays.
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uh palaces main man at left wing back tire mitchell is reportedly high up on the red devil's post christmas list could you see him going in january dan do you think that's actually what could happen mitchell t nice yeah
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Dan Tanner
Why would he go to a downgrade? Why would he go down the league? We're above them at the moment. what Why? Besides from slight maybe a possibility of European football. ah don't Let's just say I don't see it really happening in January, especially this January. There doesn't seem to be many like big name transfers at the moment. I think this is what, ah one, I think 40 million at Man City.
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Dan Tanner
i When we got the third or fourth biggest transfer, the January transfer window so far in the premiership, I don't really see it going that way. It might be in the summer when everybody kind of knows where they are and a little bit more sort of settled, things like that, but I really don't see it at the moment.
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Dan Tanner
ah We'll have to wait and see in the next 10 days because we all know that the last week of the January transfer, everybody gets a little bit mad. But I just hope that the palace put on at least a decent size transfer fee to either get something out of it or to kind of keep people at a distance.
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very much the same way that me and Wale were talking about with Chalabay yesterday, Chelsea's, ah as soon as they get him back, we're going to whack on a 40 million price tag on him, just so we can keep him till the summer. um So yeah, Palace do kind of something like that, just to try and just keep the walls at bay for at least a couple of 10, at least a few days um and then we'll try again in the summer.
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Yeah, okay I don't think this makes any sense. As you say, one, why would you ah relocate, um move away from your your home to come to a 15th place team and risk playing championship football next season? um Secondly, I just don't see a price where it makes sense for both teams. and I can't really think why Mitchell would be United's long-term plan for left-wing back. He's he getting really good in the role, and doing a really good job for Palace, but he's not a natural left-wing back. He's not like Lat Yan.
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um because it's such an important part of the team and they want really attacking football within this three at the back system having a ah kind of fairly defensive minded left back who's still kind of learning his trades the left wing back um doesn't really make sense so I feel like he's a stopgap for United if they sign him he's really just cover for the time being until they can move in the summer for someone like Nuno Mendes who would make more sense in in the long run. and And yet he's one of Palace's most important players. They're like more more minutes than anyone out field I think. um And they read out the cover there almost time to sign a compelling proven ah replacement.
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I think United also don't have loads of money to throw around so it's not like in the past where they might have been able to just blow a load of cash on a short-term signing because they're United and money grows on trees for them. um My understanding is they really need to move Rashford and Anthony on before they can make any significant moves. So I just don't think it makes sense. I think they'll sign someone younger. They're already in advanced talks for this guy Dorgu from Lecce apparently. And yeah I think they'll sign somebody younger, more cover, more energy, that a lower price that just make more sense than Breen Mitchell. I can't actually see it happening.
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um The man you'd probably say is Palace's most natural replacement for Mitchell is Premier League winner Jeffrey Schlupp. He's only got six months left on his deal with Stoke, Blackburn and Coventry all reportedly interested in making a move for him in January. Do you think that makes sense from Palace's point of view, cash on him in January then?
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Dan Tanner
ah with my manager brain on definitely he's got six months left on his deal he's the back end of his career which is sort of where these um negotiations happen do we want to keep giving him a big a relatively big salary for another year and just keep rolling him on or do we try and at least get something out of him and then he might actually get some game time down in the championship because I've He's basically sitting on the bench playing, I think on average, about nine to 12 minutes a game. I think the longest he's had this season is 61 minutes in the EFL. I think it was Villa. I'm not sure on that one. But so for him, if he wants game time, it's probably a decent move. It works for Palace. He gets essentially off the books and we can probably free up that space for it.
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a younger player to come up through the system or see what else we can find in a decent um loan deal from one of the top six or something just a bit of coverage for ah the next couple of months but it's always like but the problem is he's at such a good substitute he is basically a swiss army knife of substitutes you can put him in anywhere and he'll put on a decent performance he's gonna give you a hundred percent wherever you put him but i just think he's sort of The time has come, I think, it's time for him to move on and see if he can't get at least a little bit more out of his ah fairly decent career. So, yeah.
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Yeah, i'm I'm not sure of it. It's kind of, it's up to me, I think, his sort of, kind of left wing back. I imagine the sum they'd get from him is fairly paltry, given his age and contract situation and his versatile experience head in the group.
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But I think, as you say, he's played in total I think 118 league minutes this season. He really doesn't seem to be in Glaston's plans. A lot of those minutes he's played, um probably most of them he's not even played that left wing back. So I think Glaston just doesn't see him as as appropriate for that role as the impression I get. And if that is the case, Glaster would rather cover Mitchell using an academy player or a a makeshift solution where ah maybe one of the centimetres plays out there or something like that.
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in in that instance if he's just not going to be a feature it makes sense to to take some money for him if it's available and um yeah thank him for his 220 odd league games that he's played for the club um he deserves a good send off he goes and he's been a top set
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Dan Tanner
Yeah, exactly. exactly thank you Thank him for his service and then let him go with some dignity. I think instead of a going on a having to go through the free transfer market at the end of the season,
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Yeah, yeah, it's more dignified to be paid for than just someone going, ah, fine. We'll take him if he's free. um We spoke a couple of weeks ago about Al-Haji Malik Joof, the Senegalese Slavia Prague fallback, who Palace reportedly had a £12.5m bid rejected for. The latest rumours are that the club are willing to go back in with an offer of £15m. Is that something you'd like to see happen, Dan?
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Dan Tanner
Oh, I'd definitely like to see that happen. That's a bargain sale. ah That's a great one, especially when of looking up at his history. He was only playing ah Norwegian football about a year and a half ago. He's literally come out of nowhere and started so to hit European and Champions League football. so And we spoke about him a couple of weeks ago, thinking, oh, this guy would be an absolute gem at Palace. He fits our mould of these really sort of physical and tricky players, very much of the what I think I said, the ballasi kind of style.
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Dan Tanner
um of player so yeah I would totally take him especially at that kind of price as well as sort of bargain in in the equivalent of a premiership team anyway a bargain by player definitely add into that taking them every single day of the week
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Yeah, no, I agree. I think this would be ah a really good signing. I suppose there' there's a question mark, i however. That's just what Palace reportedly prepared to offer, question mark, about whether Slavia Prague will accept it. They've already sold quite a few people in January, so i'm not in a need of ah raising funds. But he's is young, he's versatile, he's got a really impressive goal record, scored 6 in 18 in the check. they um You don't quite know how that would translate, but there are reasons to think that he can translate that to
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the prem to at least a reasonable extent. You look across it to East London, Sufjan, Sucek, both came to Slavia Prague and did a really good job at West Ham. And he's he's done really well and he's played in the Europa League and in Afghan qualifiers and all that kind of competitive high pressure football he's thrived in. A potential spanner in the works is that Liverpool are also um interested apparently I'd kind of think that's not necessarily the best career move for him. I don't know what the route is into the first team with Simecast and Robertson there. And the the last Al Hajijouf isn't exactly fondly remembered at Anfield.
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um but You never know if that ends up, if they'd be willing to to match Palace or make a better offer. And he's evaluating the two. You might be having your head saying you get all the opportunities at Palace, but it's, it's pretty difficult to turn down a club like Liverpool when they come in.
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Um, so right now, ah space yeah.
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Dan Tanner
Very, very difficult to turn down Liverpool. so that It's Liverpool. It's a legendary club. You don't say no to Liverpool. It's like Real Madrid, Barcelona.
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yeah
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Dan Tanner
You don't say no.
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Hmm.
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Even though I think he should, I think he should say that. He might, he you might find it.
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Dan Tanner
I definitely think you should say no. But um but it's Liverpool. so it's you're go to Everybody's going to pick it.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Dan Tanner
If you've got the choice,
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Yeah. So that, so yeah, that's those, those kinds of question marks over whether, whether it's any of the money and whether. the sorority rather go but if Palace can pull it off I think that'd be a really top there's exactly the kind of profile of of cover for Mitchell that Palace would ideally be looking for young lost potential to improve probably won't be demanding a first-team play straight away, given that he is so young and his experience has come from a lesser division, um but but also offers something completely different to Mitchell, much more attacking, much more direct, um more of the kind of winger-cum-defender than defender-cum-winger-old. So I think he
Favorite Young Crystal Palace Players
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would be really great, and um we'd like to see him at Salas.
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But I mean, after that kind of ominous intro I gave this whole section, I think the app shot is probably Palace, Louis Mitchell, Keith Mitchell, sorry, Louis Mitchell.
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Get it right, get it right.
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but and ah maybe do, maybe don't get. I'll had you my league chief. Quite likely still in the same position regarding left wing backs um that they were at start there with no but ah the least better than being left bereft of any. um We'll take quick pause for a word from the network there and then finish with a section on our favourite youngsters ever to play for Palace.
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It's Luke Littler's 18th birthday today. um And to celebrate the World Dance Champion's first pint with him, we wanted to take a look at our favourite teenagers ever to play for Crystal Palace. So Dan, who is your favourite Holmesdale whippersnapper and why?
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Dan Tanner
Well, I don't think you're going to get much further than ah Wilfred Zaha. So um being literally, literally the he holds pretty much all the records, as far as I know now, like the most some of the most appearances. I think he's definitely got the most Premier League goals, I believe, for Palace, as it stands in a minute. But he basically is the poster child for that um for the Palace Academy.
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Dan Tanner
He was the the face of the club for so long. I think basically, almost since he arrived, when he got his first couple of appearances, he just set the team on fire. it was such a He's such an electric player when he was there. um and Even when he went to Man United, we still loved him. He got him back a couple of years later and it's like nothing had changed.
00:28:22
Dan Tanner
um He was a nuisance to pretty much every right back in the Premier League. He would be triple teamed and double teamed constantly. He just was a general annoyance, even if he did maybe every once in a while slightly dive to make sure he was getting the foul. But yeah, just the poster child was the the face of the team for a long time. ah Also during that, um promotion stint, he basically put us on his back and go, right, i'm butnna I'm going to drag you through this playoff thing if you like it or not. I'm going to be doing this myself kind of attitude, which I know I kind of berated as A4, but at the time when he was the best player on a team by a country mile, it was a slightly different time when you're going up through the like the ranks instead of trying to hold off in the middle.
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Dan Tanner
Um, but yeah, it can't really go much further than Zaha. Um, another good one's always, um, Nathaniel Klein was good for us. He's back with us now. I think he kind of started ah his first team round about the same time. I'm thinking they were within maybe a month or so of each other. I think they made their debut. He was always solid, a really sort of talented right back, managed to get a couple of, uh,
00:29:47
Dan Tanner
When we went down, he made a decent career out of Liverpool and a bit of Southampton. Just a nasty injury took about a year or so out of his career. But he's still plugging away and still basically much in the same vein as Zaha, probably not quite as in the club legend, but he's definitely one of the light players, one of the sort of, yeah, the cult classic, cult hero player. um But we've had so many over the years. So we have a really decent sort of academy down at Sellers Park. So we find these players and they somehow managed to get into the team, not always successfully, but we've always had a really, really good sort of youth system.
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Yeah, two two great choices there Dan, which as you say absolutely highlight the quality of the youth system at Palace. um I'm going for one who removed himself from the nurturing Palace family probably too early and who knows what would happen if he didn't. but ah Barely played for Palace but I've gone the youngest player ever to come on for them in in John Bostock because I'm kind of fascinated by no Those players who start and get a game at 15, it feels like more often than not, it's an immediate death sentence for their career.
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I suppose Martin Odega had played at 15, and too early to say that Ethan went, yeah, he did.
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Dan Tanner
Something like, I don't... I remember around Madrid signing him at like 15 and really going, right, this is like, and then spends years on the loan b list.
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But, yeah, I didn't think that played at all. and Yeah, ah I don't think it helped him to have played at 15. Sort of put too much pressure on him and he's he's done really well to sort of resist that and continue to develop in that spotlight. But yeah, I don't think it's helpful.
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um But yeah, I mean, I like Bostock for, I think it's, ah he deserves credit for rejecting Barcelona to stay at Palace at 14, putting in the alarm to discover that there was no Sainsbury's at the camp now.
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I like the fact that he came on for Ben Watson on his debut. If you were to tell someone in that moment that one of those two players was going to go on to score an FA Cup winning goal, a I don't think many people would have would have picked Ben, but um I think that's a nice little crossroads.
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um And I actually think, you know, he had a decent career, played for some big names, played for Lons, Wollanswurp, Berzerspore, went to the south of France to lose, went on loan to Swindon, presumably also to lose. And you know, he's had a nice nice sort of nomadic, um interesting career, playing mostly sort of top level or or close close to it, wherever he's been.
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Um, so I think, you know, fair play. Yeah. She deserves some celebration. And if you hadn't been shoved into the limelight at 15, you'd look back on that and you know, get an interesting career. Um, so credit to John Bostock. I think he's peace a, a,
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A fun one. Well, the ones that got away, but you know, he's had a fun career regardless. I think
Conclusion and Audience Engagement
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with that, it's time for us to end this episode. Thank you, Dan, for joining me.
00:33:23
Dan Tanner
No worries, always a pleasure.
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