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Young Justice Season 3 Part 4 (Ep 22-26)
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Our final episode covering pre-existing Young Justice content as we tackle the last 5 episodes of Season 3 AKA Outsiders as we look forward to season four airing on HBO Max now!
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Young Justice Season 3 Recap & Future Content Tease
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on another exciting edition of Animation Deliberation. It's a fine time here at Animation Deliberation because our coverage of Young Justice Season 3 Outsiders is finally coming to a close. We're finally able to move on to some new Young Justice content. We're going to get all into that right after some ads we have no control over, so don't use that boom tube to
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Welcome to Animation Deliberation
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Sing along if you know the words. A one, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah.
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Welcome back to Animation Deliberation, the podcast that takes action animation and cartoons seriously, but not too seriously. I'm your host, Jay Scottie St. Clair, and I am joined by the sole member of my quote unquote team here. Zuhair Ali. What's up, Zuhair? How are you?
Quirky Phrases Discussion
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I'm staying well and talk about yourself.
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Doing good, doing good. I'm astored and not ejected. We got a new little one of those. We've got whelmed, astored, and now ejected. And there's one other one that I feel like I'm missing. What is it, trot? Yeah, trot.
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Yeah, I'm well trot and feeling the Astra. That was the one. Yeah. And now we've got Jektid, which I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but that was one of my favorite parts of these these episodes we're going to be covering.
Coverage Plan for Young Justice Episodes 22-26
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With that in mind, we're covering episodes 22 through 26, the final five episodes of season three of Young Justice Outsiders.
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Before we get into the nitty gritty of these proceedings, we will do a little bit of housekeeping, including the next of our five star reviews that we're going to read. So, Zuhair, what have you got prepared for us?
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So we got one from Stang413. I've really enjoyed listening to the What If episodes. Made me remember how much I loved Young Justice. Looks like it's time for a rewatch so I can listen to the recaps. It is always time to watch Young Justice. Whether the recaps or not, we're just happy that you're going to be listening to along to us. So thanks for the review and thanks for listening.
Listener Feedback Appreciated
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Yeah, definitely. Thanks, Stang. And thank you to everybody that submitted those five star reviews. We look forward to reading more of them in the coming weeks here.
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Ain't no thing but a review from Stang. Nice. Well done. Well done. All right. So let's just get right into it. I kind of told you off air that I feel like these five episodes, you could kind of take the first three and kind of bundle them together and then the final two and bundle them together because the first three really work into conjection in conjunction with conjuncture. Conjection. I don't know why I'm having such a hard time with words right
Character Development & Plot Twists
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now, but
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They work in tandem together to tell us basically the conclusion of this story with the light in their partnership with Granny Goodness and the various arms of the
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incognito justice league, for lack of a better term, all that kind of coming to a close. And then the final two episodes are really just more character driven, especially in terms of Artemis, but we'll, we'll get into that. So just picking up with episode 22, we got antisocial pathologies, again, always appreciate the
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the titles here. So while coming off of the rescue of Dick Grayson and Jefferson from Granny Goodness.
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Dick is not recovered quite as quickly as Jefferson has. He's in this feverish state that has everybody in dire straits.
Batman's Concern for Dick Grayson
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And then we actually start to see the unraveling of the partnership between the light and the acolytes of Apocalypse when they start to argue over what to do with Halo. And that puts the character of Helga Jace right into the crosshairs. Zuhair, what were your big takeaways
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Well, you know, I'm always attracted to the Batman side of things. So it was cool kind of seeing that family without their cows. So we got probably the first time we saw Alfred. No dialogue for him, but Alfred, Tim, Barbara, Bruce, all of them together, like making sure that dick was OK. Like it actually looked like, you know, a family concern for one of their sons slash brothers more than.
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you know, just a teammate being injured. So we got to see everyone's level of concern, even though some were, you know, worried over pancakes. But to see that little interaction was was pretty cool to
Jefferson's Emotional Confrontation
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see. But, oh, Jefferson's screaming match with them. Oh, yeah. Like the explanation, the anti life thing was just one of those things that kind of went over my head. It's kind of like,
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so you can control them they they have no that's all i need to know okay it was like a really long explanation to tell you like one simple things i was more fascinated with just like how fed of jefferson was when he found out that they were like working together and this and that and you see uh megan and connor kind of have a bit for a little bit but bee's voice pissed off connor's pissed off jefferson's pissed off i'm just like oh this snapped really quick
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Yeah, yeah, that's been a
Helga Jace's Manipulations
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long time coming. It was definitely the standout for the episode for me. And definitely Jefferson is one of the standout characters for this season. But as I'm thinking back on it, I'm kind of wondering, like you brought up the fact that you get to see the whole Bat family unmasked and that's kind of
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What makes the gears start to turn in Jefferson's mind, but what really does it is Helga kind of making mention like it's awful that it takes like tragedies like this to bring everybody together. But that's really the main thing that causes him to to make it all click. And he has that blow up, but it just makes me wonder like.
Tara's Loyalties & Slade's Influence
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we it gets revealed this episode just the exact nature of her insidiousness and her manipulations I wonder if she even like kind of knew him well enough to knew that that was going to be his reaction and use that as her opportunity to kind of slip away with the mark was it um
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Was it Cyborg that was like, what is their relationship? Is Bruce Wayne Dick's dad? And then like Beast Boy kind of like changes the conversation on him. Yeah. It's like, yeah, don't think about it. I don't think about it. I don't think about it. Secret identities still a thing. Yeah. The Bat family, AKA Batman Incorporated can get a little, uh,
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get a little complicated. I guess the other thing that really took place is just we've known that Tara, Tara Markov has had some
Themes of Teamwork and Morality
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unsavory allegiances and still communicating with Slade Wilson. But this is where you really get to see like the level of, I won't call it full on Stockholm syndrome, but there's certainly elements of that just the, again, to use the term manipulation, but there's a lot of manipulation that's going on here. That word was used on a later episode, so I think it's pretty accurate. For sure, for sure. Yeah. So yeah, just the way he's able to
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Remind her that he's the one that's like toughen her up and like it it it's kind of I'm struggling for the words here, but it's like as difficult as this is for the heroes and whatnot and this is heartbreaking as it is to see Them all kind of breaking up like that It's believable while why she would lose her her faith in them so quickly with just a little bit of prodding from him Yeah
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Our heroes aren't perfect, and that's what makes the show great and makes you actually like latch onto these characters as often as they're like butting heads with the villains. A lot of times they're having these interpersonal conflicts about the compartmentalization of information and whatnot.
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Yeah, from day one of the show, there's issues with teamwork and communication and them not being able to live up to the skill set and abilities of their mentors. And that's been a common theme throughout each of these seasons. So, you know, hats off to the Young Justice staff for consistency of that.
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Mm hmm. Well, at any rate, as I mentioned, this episode kind of starts the unraveling of the partnership between the light and apocalypse dark side and granny goodness and whatnot.
Granny Goodness's Control Plan
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But at the end of this episode, it really leaves things off where it seems like granny goodness is getting what she wants because she ends up with her at the end. And as I recall,
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No, no, it's not until the next episode that she actually activates the anti-life equation. Yeah, this is the one where they get the cerebral collar onto Halo and Tara breaks her little chip off, breaks off brions. And while Ultra Humanite escapes and Granny Goodness escapes with Halo. Right. That's when they go home and they're like, hey, where's Dr. Jason Halo? It's like, yeah, we got a problem.
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Yeah, but that's not before granny goodness uses her. What is it? The expit? I think is what that thing's
Helga Jace's Confession
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called. Basically the thing that, um, uh, was it over, is it overwatch?
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Oh, yeah. Overseer? Overwatch? Yeah. Is it Overlord? Overlord. Overlord, Overlord. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. There's so many over, over characters. I'm so used to saying the word Overwatch. It's like, yeah, that sounds right. Yeah. At any rate, she uses that expat to basically cause Helga to confess to everything she did, which is, as I mentioned, really just
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crazy and evil. She's, she's weird. Yeah. They're my children. No, no. Just not how that works. Yeah. And then just the way she's like, even when she considered Violet her, her child, but then like her scientist mind, like once she realizes that she wasn't directly responsible for creation, she rejects her. It's very,
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very mommy dearest stuff. Yeah. As soon as she went to like, Oh, and that's why I seduced Jefferson. I was like, you bitch. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's rude. I really feel for Jefferson. He does not have it easy. He's getting betrayed by everybody on all sides. And I do appreciate the fact that we've talked about it before, but like, especially in the earlier seasons where nightwing Dick Grayson, Robin really,
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wanted to emulate Batman earlier on. He's really become his own man at this point in time. And he steps out from behind where we still think he's in a fever and tells Jefferson, like, I'm the one that you're
Young Justice Team Reunion
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really mad at. And I can't really ever see Batman making that kind of statement. He didn't. He repeated his line of the mission comes first.
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Right. And then even at the not again, not to get too far, far ahead of things, but when Jefferson and Batman kind of have their heart to heart.
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Batman acknowledges that Jefferson might be the better, quote unquote, leader, but he still has to have like that line that it's best for the mission. Yeah. And he's going off against Calder, too. It's not like it's just him and Bruce. So Calder comes out. He's like, you're not even apologizing. He was like, I'm sorry, you feel that way. Does that help?
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Like, yeah, no. Yeah. And was it at this point that Megan and Connor, like Connor discovered Megan's involvement? I think it is like this is when they first have that kind of like glance across the room at each other, but it doesn't really start to come to a head until later on. Right.
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Yeah, I was wondering. I mean, it happened like soon after that moment. I was wondering what was going on because like their arms were moving, but like the lips weren't animated. I forgot that they like they speak telepathically and then right. This boy kind of gets in. It's like you were in it on this, too. And she like jumps off like crap. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's why I was so confused. I was like, why did they cheap out on this? Oh.
Justice League Ambush
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Yeah, it's one of the great conventions of the show. Just having McGann be the catch-all for so many things. Anything else you want to say about antisocial tendencies or anything else you feel is worth bringing up? I'm just trying to think who Beast Boy was talking to, who told him that Wonder Woman was involved. Was it Calder? No, it was Barbara. Was it Barbara?
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Yeah, because they were coming at her, too. It's like you have all true people should know, like not to get too involved. And they always call her out, too. Yeah, yeah. And she's again, she much like Dick, she's one of the ones that actually like even compared to Calder, like like you said, Calder kind of doesn't take the blame. He says, we're sorry that it made you feel this way. But at the end of the day, this is what needed to be done. Barbara is much more empathetic. And I don't think it's until the next episode again, but she kind of has that
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moment with Batman, which I really appreciate where, again, he's bringing up it's what's best for the mission, but she's like, whose mission is it? Seems like it's your mission, because everybody on this covert team is one of your former proteges. Yeah, everybody's been trained to listen to him. Oh, it's like, oh, snap. Yeah, yeah.
Dick Grayson's Fever Dream
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I'm so glad it was Barbara. I love the characters in the show so much, but also perfect.
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Agreed. All right. So I think we can move on to the next episode, which is terminus, which I just, I just want to get it out of the way. That whole sequence with Nightwing and his fever dream, imagining playing video games with kid flash, one of the best moments of young justice ever. I was so delighted. I had the biggest smile on my face was just laughing. And again, that's where we got that whole objective.
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When they're beating all the parademons, so good. The coolest thing about it was that before they went in on the mission, it didn't click to me that it was the OG team that was together. No, me neither. It's just like, oh, cool. Calder's working. Okay, Tigris is there, McGann's there, Dick's there. And then when they went, I think I was like, oh, crap, that was smooth.
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It just totally slipped my mind that it was like the original crew until it hit that action sequence. And I was like, Oh, that's tough. And then like, same as you, it's like I had the big smile. It's such a beautiful moment. I thought this was really cool. But then when everybody was like, Hey, we felt and saw everything you just saw, it was like, Oh, that's rough. Yeah, it is. I just wanted to give them all a group hug.
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Indeed, indeed. If only we could, if only we could boom tube there and give them a hug.
Anti-Life Equation Activation
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But just getting back into the proceedings of what's happening with the larger conflict here, they don't really waste much time with Granny Goodness actually being able to activate the anti-life equation and basically use Halo as this conduit to, what do they say? She reverses her polarity or something like that? Something like that.
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Okay. Yeah. So basically the signal starts to get emitted throughout the, I'm not going to say multiverse yet, but the universe and it takes out the league members pretty quickly. And that kind of puts us in that position where we have to have that OG team that you're referring to. And then this is where Vandal Savage is the one that actually tells them where to find Halo, right?
Vandal Savage's Crucial Intel
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Yeah, he just shows up in Titan's Tower and he was like, this is where you find him. He's like, what's the catch? He's like, just tell him that I'm the one that sent you. But in regards to the Justice League, it's important to point out that they were going to rescue like hundreds of metahuman teens. I think it was like 300 or something like that. And they even had the dialogue of like, it's getting a little too easy to get in here, like keep your guard up. And that's what it was like. Got you all.
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Yeah. Oh, let's see. Javelin. Who's Javelin? That's the name of the ship that the Justice League came in on. Oh, OK. OK. Yeah. So Jeff and Virgil are together, but that's just those are just kind of like little vignettes. They're showing what's going on with Jeff with his fallout. Yeah, I guess the majority of the episode here takes place in the in the orphanage. And they were talking about how humans
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were like more pain by the anti-life equation because you see like the three lanterns and elongated man like oh yeah really sick and like practically dying and then once she took over um our main members of the team you see Artemis and Dick starting to struggle too yeah yeah
Introduction of Infinity Inc.
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and um was this the episode when blue beetle
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Yeah, this is this is basically focusing on the main team Yeah, stuff that dick was going through and then them getting captured to before it rotates to meanwhile on the outsiders
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Sure, sure, sure, which makes sense. And then I have to imagine like Dick having his fever dream. And I guess it's his connection to Miss Martian basically has everybody have the shared experience where they get to see everything that he saw with Wally West kid flash running around. And, um, the mall basically being the young versions and the solves that has to be kind of the first, first things that kind of reopens that wound for Artemis Tigress, even though she's clearly showing up as a.
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I guess her name was just Artemis. She didn't really have a... Yeah, that's her name. She didn't have a codename. Noam Dagor. No hot lava for her.
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I mean, that episode kind of ended with all of them being captured, so I'm not sure if there's anything else really to talk about from there. Yeah, it is. It's kind of interesting that it is kind of a filler episode in that way, but it kind of goes back to what I was speaking on, just these three episodes kind of working in tandem so closely to get us to this final confrontation.
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Yeah, and that's a beauty of putting these episodes into clunks is because some of them just work a lot better together. Certainly. Certainly. Yeah, definitely one of the most poignant moments, just anybody that's been watching the show since season one. Great payoff with that that moment there.
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All right. And then, yeah, things finally do come to a head in the next episode into the breach. And that's where the outsiders, our title characters, make their their final attempt to save Halo.
Outsiders' Final Attempt to Save Halo
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And it's been kind of a funny thing. I remember when we were doing like part one and part two of our coverage.
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I kept saying like, oh, this is why they're calling it the outsiders, because we have all these quote unquote outsiders that have to collect. And while I do still think that was true to an extent, I guess there really was like a team called the outsiders in the comics that had various members. But it's kind of funny that none of those members that were in the comics are a part of the official outsiders that we have in the show. So one of those subtle nods to the comics.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I guess one thing that was worth mentioning that kind of like got peppered in in the first couple episodes is that there is like a rival team to the outsiders. Was it infinity incorporated? Yeah. Yeah. Which we find that is basically a front for Lex Luthor. Yeah.
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Yeah. All right. So, uh, yeah, this one is just basically the rescue mission, the final confrontation, uh, with granny goodness and beast boy has a pretty brutal battle with her, I
Victor's Growth in Battle
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will say. And there's a lot of like really harrowing moments. That's where I got kind of ahead of myself talking about blue beetle being in the, um, the expat there and the scarab kind of.
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has to dip out like really quickly and just like leave him there exposed it's such a jerk and then he comes back he's like oh don't worry i'm saving gray is like no you just ditched me in there yeah
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Yeah. And then the, I'm forgetting his name, but the guy who teleports, like that was so like brutal to see him struggle. Oh yeah. Cause he came in and it's like, no, get, get, um, get Virgil first. He grabs him and then he's like, I can't get a hand on my bearing. So I was like, Oh yeah. I know his name's Eddie. I don't know his hero name or if he has one. Yeah. But no, I definitely agree with you. It kind of like gave me that feeling of anxiety, like almost like you're
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underwater and can't get up like you're almost like trapped under ice every time he's trying to come up it's blocked oh man yeah very very unsettling i don't know what was worse like being stuck in that or getting pummeled by granny goodness because man the amount of concussions that beast boy was supposed to have after that especially when he was a snake and kept getting his head bashed into the wall and the blood was splattered i was like ah
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Yeah, that was a lot of fun. It was rough. And then when he turns into like the alien creature that we don't recognize at all, you can still see that his eye is so incredibly swollen. I feel like I've seen that one a couple of times. Have we? We might have. I think it was the last season when they were on space. Rimbour or something like that. Yeah, that makes sense. OK.
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And I wouldn't put it past the show to make a nice visual reference like that. And then
Cyborg Saves His Team
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the other part of this like three prong fight for lack of a multi-prong fight, you've got these various fronts, but Victor has really come into his own and is basically able to go toe to toe with Overlord, who we mentioned before. And again, just talking about like the level of like
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graphic and gruesomeness in the show when Overlord throws that spear at him and pales him the first time. Like somewhere in the back of my mind, I was thinking, you know, this is taking place in cyberspace. So I wonder what is it going to be like? The Matrix is going to have like affect him on the outside world or not. But just seeing that blood like pouring out of like that cavity in his chest was just. I mean, again, you're not seeing any Oregon spill out or anything like that, but it's
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Again, I have to imagine for like younger audiences, it can be pretty unsettling. Yeah. I mean, for us, thankfully, it's not meant for kids anymore. It's meant for us to enjoy. It's like the the graphics of the show is aged as much as we have in the time that it's been out. Mm hmm. But those are really good sequences.
Granny Goodness's Defeat
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I don't want to. The dialogue was predictable. Hmm.
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But I enjoyed it, too. Like, it was still well done. Like, I got the point that he was going to say before he even said it, but talking about being an athlete, and he was like, Victor Stone will quit. And I have to put, you know, this this Victor Stone won't get the job done. Like, I have to be cyborg to do this. And I'm just like, okay, I like it.
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Yeah, we do get a little Booyah at the end of the day. I love the Booyah. Keep that comment. Me too. Me too. It is worth mentioning. I made the Neo comparisons, but he does go full or the Matrix comparisons, but he does go full Neo and realize that he has control over over cyberspace and is able to take over Lord out, which
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It's funny to see Granny not so confident. And it's funny, she's been teaching people lessons for so long and disciplining them. I love how everybody takes the opportunity to start teaching her lessons. The final one was just so unexpected. What are you doing, boy? Lesson number three, don't get distracted.
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Yes, Cassie! Yes. Yeah. Use that lasso, true. No, that's what you just straight decked her. And then she was already in the lasso. Oh, yeah. Cause she basically spun her up and then she just gave the knockout punch at the end. I was like, yes! Yeah. Yeah. Good call. Good call. She's such a tank. Like, I love when she just comes in and just wrecks shove. I'm like, ah, she's so cool. Mm hmm. Yeah. She is no keezy femme.
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Cyborg really is the MVP of this huge battle, because he defeats Overlord, they get out of that state.
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and have the opportunity to go toe-to-toe with Granny Goodness because they're not all dying.
Gretchen & Granny's Split
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And then she figures out what machine is causing it. He grabs Blue Beetle. They both, like, sync up their weapons, take down the machine. And then he boom tubes over to the Justice League to save all of them, like, yeah, MVP. And then I can't remember exactly what it is that, oh, it's the destruction of that device basically causes Granny and Gretchen to split into two. And he's able to get that footage, which
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basically outs. Well, that's what gets them to come back together. Like they've been to. Right, right. I said, I said the opposite. Yeah, they were allowed to exist. Yeah, they were allowed to exist in separate places and you kind of see them more of together. Correct. Yeah. There you go. And then.
00:26:56
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Just it's making me think of it again. It happened in the last episode that we forgot to mention it, but just having the Justice League be incapacitated and then rehabilitated here did set up kind of a nice recurring gag where we talked about Guy Gardner a little bit in his buffoonery. But I did. I do love how he can never get a long gated man. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's doing that in purpose too. Oh, for sure. For sure. For sure.
00:27:23
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I mean, he's like the millionth character to be super stretchy. So. Yeah. Yeah. And we made the comparisons of Guy Gardner and Metamorpho, but liking Metamorpho more. And I got a real chuckle when you see the two of them appear on monitors right next to each other. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, one for the javelin, the other for Batcave. There we go. There we go.
00:27:45
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Yeah. Uh, let's see anything otherwise. So Halo regains consciousness and has to, like, what is it that repolarizes or is it the destruction of the machine does that?
Halo's Full Spectrum Powers
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No, Cyborg shoots the cuff off of her face. Oh, right. Right. Right. Right. And then she starts freaking out. She was like, I need to rely on my instincts. And then the instincts is what gave her the, the rainbow Halo.
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Right, right. Okay, yeah, she gets to use all of yeah, she gets to go full spectrum and that's rainbow power. Cool. And then you see her cyborg super main and Captain Adam just start to blow up the ship. And then the lanterns are the ones who put the shield around it and guy had some line afterwards that made Diana laugh.
00:28:31
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Okay, yeah, yeah, and then granny turns tail and gets out of there with the father box, but not before Superboy is able to make up on that promise to vandal savage and let Her know that he was the one that told them where to
Granny's Punishment by Darkseid
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find her. Yeah, cuz we see a scene later on where Vandal and Darkside are kind of like coming back to terms and you see decide just like torturing granny and
00:28:56
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Because she failed. What little I know about Darkseid, he does not take kindly to failure. If you know anything about Steppenwolf, he can tell you a thing or two. Let's see. Yeah, the other thing for that is Jefferson and his black lighting suit is up in front of the UN.
00:29:21
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kind of called out Lex and found out that the infinity ink is under him. Oh, yes. That's, uh, yeah, yeah. You're right. Because basically all those accusations come out and Lex has an answer for everything. Like you can't pin me to any of this, but oh, wait, no, no, no. It's Jefferson that does all that. And then, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm getting ahead of myself because I'm thinking of super boy's moment that he has. Yeah. Good call. Good call.
00:29:50
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Oh, maybe that was later. I think, yeah, I'm thinking those scenes work in conjunction with each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:56
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Yeah, well, it says Victor with the footage of Gretchen really is joins the outsiders as cyborg. Meanwhile, infinite ink is revealed. We work for Lex with their OK, so he unveils the footage to everybody. That was the that was the U.N. thing. And that's when Justice League started looking good again because they rescued 300 kids and then they were trying to like put goodness media or whatnot. And they were like, oh, no, like these are the same effects that we use in our show all the time. Like this was totally
00:30:26
Speaker
Like, not a real footage. It's like, it's not that hard. Yeah, because good studios made that show that Gar was appearing on with
Cyborg Joins the Outsiders
00:30:34
Speaker
the Clamulons. I can't remember the name of the show, but I remember the Clamulons because Kid Flash appreciated the Clamulons so much. I'm so excited to find that helmet. Yeah, and it is worth mentioning when Victor chooses the name of Cyborg, it's like they take the vote to see if he should be a member of the outsiders. And I think it's,
00:30:55
Speaker
Oh, it's Superboy. Yeah, yeah. Superboy is the one that says like, hey, that's all well and good. But is this something he even wants? And it's. It's great, again, just to see a character like Superboy that I think about in season one, like his main thing was just like being a rage monster and hating monkeys just to see him like have so much maturity and development is really nice. Patience. Always talk about patience.
00:31:23
Speaker
I think I've learned a thing or two about Patience Brother. Anyway. What do you say is like, uh, don't get in trouble. Finish your dinner and be in bed by 10 before they went on a mission. Who said that?
00:31:38
Speaker
When, um, the main team was talking to, uh, Forger, Tara and Brianne, and he was like, you know what to do, right? She was like, yeah, don't get hurt. Finish my dinner and be in bed by 10. They all looked at him and he was like, I'm kidding. I know what I'm supposed to do. That was a good gag. Threw me off. I was like, wait, what? You're cracking jokes. Right on. Right on. Good stuff.
00:32:05
Speaker
Oh, this is backtracking a little bit. But when when when Beast Boy was upset that Barbara and that little Illuminati, as they called it, was like staging all of the successes of the outsiders. And he was like, Condiment King is like, that was all you. Oh, yeah, that is a great call. Yeah, that was great. Good times, good times.
00:32:32
Speaker
Okay, so then we've got with granny being defeated, I was kind of expecting that knowing that there were two episodes still on the table and kind of the way they left things off with granny telling Darkseid that Vandal was the one that betrayed her I was like, Okay, so
Season Close: Character Focus
00:32:50
Speaker
this is going to be the big fallout between Vandal Savage and Darkseid, which was kind of alluded to all the way back into, I think it was episode 11 evolution where we got like kind of Vandal Savage backstory and we got like the information that
00:33:06
Speaker
essentially Darkseid and Vandal Savage are working together, but it's kind of like a perpetual state of stalemate. They're just waiting until they're the last two players on the board until they can have their final battle. And I thought that's where it was going, but it doesn't quite go there. A lot of that apparently happens off camera. Yeah.
00:33:31
Speaker
off screen. But we do have episode 25, which I will say, like I talked about the first three episodes, doing more to just do the footwork to bring the narrative to a close as far as all the threads that we had for the season. These final two episodes were just really nice character focused entries. And I talked about how, you know, having Wally West appear in
Artemis Seeks Closure with Zatanna's Help
00:33:55
Speaker
Dick's fever dream and Artemis reacting so strongly to that, this obviously sets her up for the journey that she takes in this episode. With one of your favorites.
00:34:25
Speaker
And yes, it just looks more and more beautiful with age. It was awesome being able to see her. And it's sad that they had to manipulate Artemis, where it's like, I don't know how many times I need to tell you that I can't bring the dead back. So it's like, hey, again, just make her see stuff and make her
00:34:35
Speaker
Zatanna, it's kind of a reversal.
00:34:47
Speaker
figured out herself. It was really cool when they were trying to get her attention. They were watching TV, and Zatanna was doing a magic show on TV. It's like, for my first trick, I'm going to make the sun appear. Then, hello, Megan popped up. She was like, oh, that's just trying to TV off. Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty good. And it felt like it was almost a reversal of a scene that we got earlier on in the season when Artemis accompanied Zatanna to visit Dr. Fate.
00:35:13
Speaker
And her father was a Tara and they had like that line, like, we're not here for this part. We're here for the aftermath. Yeah. And you have the same kind of thing. It was who was it? Rocket and again. Was that it? I thought there was maybe one more person. Maybe not for this episode. Yeah, maybe not. No, it was Rocket.
00:35:37
Speaker
McGann, Zatanna, and Artemis. Because at the end, McGann and Artemis were walking together, and Zatanna was explaining to Rocket what they actually did, which I feel like this is the only reason she was there, just so they could have that conversation for the audience. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, because yeah, in the earlier scene, Violet was there with them, right? Because that's when Zatanna made the first reference that she's like an old soul in a young body, or Dr. Fate did.
00:36:07
Speaker
Yeah, Halo and Artemis were together. And Zatanna was there to talk to Dr. Fate. Okay, okay. Maybe that was late. So she was like, Hey, while we're waiting on her, can you look at this?
00:36:20
Speaker
person. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, obviously Artemis needed to have this she calls it closure catharsis with how she's feeling about her late lover Wally West and a lot of that is not only triggered by what I mentioned with the fever dream with Dick, but also there's been we've talked about the various budding romances. It's always been one of the parts of the show. But the Will Harper Artemis kind of
00:36:47
Speaker
awkward relationship there. And when he sets up like a nice Valentine's dinner, they share a kiss, but that's when she runs away and says, can't do this, kind of hugs that photo of Wally and just breaks down and starts saying sorry. And that's when she seeks out Zatanna. And all along the way, Zatanna's like, you don't want to do this. Don't thank me for this. Just try not to hate me afterwards. And I was expecting the worst and I really appreciated the fact that
00:37:17
Speaker
They gave, they gave the character that closure and it was almost closure for us as the audience as well. Yeah. I need as a time in my life. Yeah. And, uh, we've already made like a couple of comparisons how, uh, the show came out before WandaVision, but there are like some connectivity to WandaVision, but that whole like.
00:37:38
Speaker
What's the baby's name? Where is the baby? Like, and the baby just disappears. Like, Ooh, I was like, Ooh, this is like. It's like, we said we weren't going to name it. It's messed up. You know, what did I name him? Wolf. If it was a boy, we're not naming our baby after Connor's dog.
00:37:57
Speaker
Yeah, I'm actually glad that you bring up Wolf there because I guess on the other side of things outside of Artemis's journey she takes there, the other side of the thing is Forager gets to have a little adventure with Superboy where he gets introduced to Geranium City.
Forager & Superboy in Geranium City
00:38:13
Speaker
And that's where we get to go back to season one and Superboy's origin with the the Ginnamorse. And so they've apparently got this whole
00:38:24
Speaker
city that they've been, I won't say thriving, but they've been, they've been existing and not been interfered with. What's up? Just vibing vibing. Yeah, I won't. Yeah. Vibing not thriving, but a double X, the leader, he starts to kind of call super boy out. He's like, and that's, that's what actually reminded me of the line about Wilford. He says, yes, our brother has a habit of
00:38:48
Speaker
collecting strays wherever he goes, because that's because he still sees him as an individual. But when they say stray, the wolf pops his head up and is like, this kind of sits over with them, too. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. Like I never thought about it so much of an issue. Like I thought they just wanted to live in peace. I didn't realize they like actually wanted to be out in the open.
00:39:07
Speaker
So it's like, when he was calling him out, I was like, have you ever had the conversation with Connor about this? Because I'm not sure he entirely understands how you feel. You can't be mad at him for something that he never knew you guys wanted. Y'all are the telepaths, not him. Yeah, that's fair. What was the one telepath's name? Craig? Yeah, Craig and Karen. I forgot about Karen. I was like, yeah, that looks like a Karen.
00:39:33
Speaker
Forager, say hello to Karen. Yeah. Yeah, but Craig had the cutest face when he was my oldest friend. He said a little squinty-eyed smile. And I was like, aww. As cute as a genomorph can be. Yeah, right. It was really cute how they were just sitting and having coffee and stuff like that in the cafes and just going grocery shopping, just doing normal things as genomorphs.
00:40:01
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And it's I know you'll probably get a real appreciation out of this, but with the character Forager, as much as I like him with the whole concept of Fredbug, I'm glad that Forager can just be Forager and we don't have to deal with Fredbug so much anymore. I'd rather not deal with either of them, but sure. Oh, you're not a fan of Forager either? Just learn a freaking pronoun.
00:40:31
Speaker
They have a strong sense of identity. Okay. All right. Uh, yeah, I guess the other thing that was, or the other story arc that was, was taking place. There's the Mark Hobbs, Tara and Brianne get to relink with their brother for the first time since they, since Tara had been kidnapped and Brianne had been exiled.
Tara & Brion's Family Reunion
00:40:55
Speaker
And I feel like most of that is kind of set up for the next episode, but it is what it is.
00:41:00
Speaker
Yeah, so moving on to the next episode. Yeah, why not? Let's just go for it. Actually, before we do that, I did want to mention with Will Harper having made this little date night for he and Artemis, he put Harper in charge of Leon. And you don't get to spend a ton of time with them, but it is a nice little moment. It was at Harper, it was Violet. Violet Harper, excuse me. That's fine.
00:41:29
Speaker
I think we did that last time too, but. There's a lot of characters to keep up with in the show. Oh, for sure. All right. And Harper didn't really come back, as I recall. But yeah, no, I haven't seen her yet. Yeah, it's Violet Harper that's doing the babysitting. I'm glad you mentioned that because we forgot about the whole Metron part. Yeah, that's why I brought it up. Yeah, yeah.
00:41:49
Speaker
So what he shows up, he creates a boom tube that takes cyborg, violet and Leon to his realm again. Yeah. Or he basically tells them he kind of pulls a jace a little bit, a hell of a jace where he because my technology has persisted through you and you've evolved into something else, you're now my grandchildren.
00:42:12
Speaker
I like how every time they open their mouth, it was like the the mother box and father box sounds like what are they saying? Yeah, that was interesting. Yeah, it was really interesting.
00:42:22
Speaker
Yeah. But then Beast Boy was sitting there, you know, doing the like various shape, shape shifting and whatnot. And Leon was like, again, again, again, I was just waiting for Beast Boy to get tired of it. And kudos to him for not getting tired of it. He kept sticking with it. But then, of course, after they get boomed to back, first thing she says is again, again, I have no idea the concept of like what danger she was in, even though that Tron was pretty quick to point out that he was not going to do anything to her.
00:42:51
Speaker
And they got home, just like, how did it go? It's like, um, yeah, that was pretty normal night. Just relieved that Leon was fine. Right. Yeah. Don't tell mom the babysitter got boom tubed. And that was a really quick trip, too, because Beast Boy was still as a monkey. Like he didn't go ask for help or try to figure out what happened to. They just came back. He was like, uh-huh. Yep. Good old Beast Boy.
00:43:19
Speaker
Okay, yeah, so we made the allusions to the final episode here, episode 26, titled, Nevermore. And we talked about how Breon and Tara were visiting with Gregor. So this is apparently the first time Gregor has left
00:43:40
Speaker
Markovia.
Bedlam's Coup in Markovia
00:43:41
Speaker
And in his absence, we get a character who had not seen since like the first two, three, four, five episodes. Bedlam. Yeah, the first part. Bedlam, their uncle has stage a coup and reveals himself as the new king of Markovia and disposes young Gregor. So that puts our heroes in the position of having to mount a
00:44:11
Speaker
Counterattack Who's the psycho dude that broke him out of prison? Count vertical Was there a converter that got him out? Yeah, he like goes into the prison Takes out the guard and then I know Uncle and other dude get taken out Okay, that makes sense because yeah, I knew Luther knows that the king's not in the country anymore. So it's like all right execute
00:44:41
Speaker
Oh, OK, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, OK. Yeah, because I knew Count Vertigo was in the proceedings, and the main reason I remembered that he was there is because Nightwing got to throw his. Is there a better term than baton? With that weapon? I think they're just batons. OK, I know with your martial arts experience, I thought maybe there was a more appropriate term, but baton was the first one that came to mind. Yeah, he smacked some square in the head, which was pretty satisfying.
00:45:11
Speaker
Yeah, this episode definitely got pretty dark because like we said, there's a history of Tara and Deathstroke and what they were doing. They were talking about like killing Beast Boy. Yeah. Yeah. Just when you thought that Breon had the patience not to kill his uncle, like he just got so mad
Brion's Fateful Choice
00:45:31
Speaker
with it and going on. He's like, you know what? Screw it. Just shoves lava down his throat. Like you see it coming out of his eyes and it wasn't all that hard. And I was like,
00:45:39
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it's a very dark moment. And his uncle basically says like, this won't end, not until I cease to draw breath. And he's like, Okay, then that's all I need to hear. And yeah, the lava goes into his mouth out his ears out of his nose and hardens. And it's
00:45:56
Speaker
really dark and nasty. I'm loving Rated-R Young Justice. They don't go too much. It is a decent amount. It's no invincible level of stuff. No. I can't forgive anybody nightmares or anything like that. Thank God. It's still very effective, especially based on the escalation of what we've seen up until this point.
00:46:15
Speaker
I did love the way they play it because I really, I felt for Brion so much. We'd seen so much growth and him actually developed that patient. He went from being a petulant would be younger prince to an actually capable hero that can actually make good judgment calls.
00:46:32
Speaker
It really broke my heart to find out at the end that he was actually subject to persuasion by that. I can't remember the gentleman's name, but the one that basically steps up and says like, this is a king. This is a man that takes action. This is who we need. And he's revealed to be the newest member of the light as well. But just seeing everyone's horrified reactions when he turns around and thinks he did something good.
00:46:54
Speaker
And not a single person, not Violet, not his sister, even offers a sister. He's like, all you have to do is support my, my reign here and I'll forgive your crimes. And she says, I can't do it. I'm willing to, we both need to turn ourselves in. And, and Halo, she could have been the queen, but she was like, no, she doesn't let goes in hugs. Artemis. Yeah. And super boy, we're just like, dude, you cross a line that we don't even talk about.
00:47:23
Speaker
Yeah. It's like, fine Nightwing, get your team out of here. Now.
Team Rift After Brion's Actions
00:47:29
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's tough. I mean, yeah, I just, I think about the hot lava joke, the romance with Violet, just all the fun times we had with Breon along the way. And it really wasn't his fault. He was entirely manipulated.
00:47:49
Speaker
I guess the tendency was there and I don't know the extent of this. I guess I should look up his name. I don't know how to pronounce his first name. Z-V-I-A-D is Vyad. But he described his power as
00:48:10
Speaker
Like, he kind of influences, like, because he compared himself to Omar, he was like, I can't take over anybody's mind, but I can, like, get them to act on a certain urge. So there was a deep part of, well, probably not that deep, because how aggressive Brian is. Sure. But he basically just narrowed in on that and got him to, to push that emotion.
00:48:31
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that's that's fair. There's enough dialogue there to where as I'm saying he was manipulated. He couldn't have been manipulated if there wasn't that capacity somewhere within him, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because they say that his brother is weak, but he's the one that actually has the power and the ability to know he's only 16 minutes younger.
Monarchy's Relevance Today
00:48:53
Speaker
Is that enough to
00:48:54
Speaker
I actually think that outside of the scope of the show, I do think that's a fair argument. We could get into whether or not monarchies are even a valuable form of government in this day and age. Fair. Yeah. I guess you have a strong enough military because that was a point for them to bring up. It's like you have access to the whole military.
00:49:18
Speaker
Indeed, indeed. But we did have the return of Helga Jace, like when he said he didn't want to see her. That was it was my first instinct that that was who was going to be who walked in the door. But I thought about it for a second. Maybe Violet or his sister might try a final last ditch effort to rehabilitate him or something like that. But
00:49:38
Speaker
I will be curious to see the show has a tradition of like when we enter a new season, it kind of starts off in an entirely different place. And this season aired what in 2019? Now it's 2021, so that's a good two years.
00:49:54
Speaker
There's always something that stops them from moving forward too. So that's like, that time gap is pretty. Yeah. It's one of those things. I don't know if they'll devote like a multiple season arc to it, but I have to imagine that Breon and Markovia and Helga Jace will at least come back. I'm sure I will. Yeah. Yeah. Because Tara's sentencing basically was she got adopted by her brother
00:50:20
Speaker
Right. And instead of like jail time, she has to like continue to do good deeds with the outsiders. I was like, all right. Yeah, a good bet. Yeah.
00:50:29
Speaker
Not bad at all.
Lex Luthor's Downfall
00:50:31
Speaker
Outside of that, we kind of alluded to it, but Lex Luthor does have like his ultimate come up in terms of having to step down as ambassador for the UN. And it is when Black Lightning initially calls him out, but it's not quite enough. Lex is just too quick on his toes and too squirrely. But that's when Cyborg is able to
00:50:53
Speaker
or a superboy, excuse me, superboy cyborg had the footage of granny goodness, but superboy that comes out and says like, Hey, you can do a DNA test on me. I am the product of Lex Luther and Superman. And then Superman gets to come out and say like, Hey, I look at him as a brother. You can trust him. Yeah. The only thing I'll say about Luther that I didn't like is that
00:51:18
Speaker
there was a bit of an agenda with the show. And while there was a lot of positives that we talked about in the last arc, like I didn't like what they were framing Luther after because I like his character. So them trying to relate him to somebody in real life was like, don't do that. That's just cheap. Come on. Yeah. Um, it made me cringe a little bit too. Yes. I mean, he's, he's like this, he's his dapper cunning character. Like everything he says is with.
00:51:47
Speaker
like with the swag and like the fact that it went to somebody that. I'm not going to say any more on it, just I don't like it. Yeah, I think that's that's totally fair. And they set up the character nicely and that was a bad deviation. So I'm hoping they get him back on track to like what we like about that character. I'm sure they will. I'm sure they will. And I won't say I was full on disappointed, but I guess I was a little surprised that they didn't use that like as an opportunity to bring Gordon Godfrey back into the fold.
00:52:16
Speaker
I'm sure we'll have more in the season.
00:52:18
Speaker
Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure we will as well. But on the subject of Superboy and him having that, you know, nice moment to follow through with what the conversation he was having with Double X and the Genomorphs where he's able to acknowledge his brothers as well as acknowledge his own truth.
Superboy & Megan Reconcile
00:52:36
Speaker
In that, we kind of talked about how he and Megan were kind of on the rocks, like one of the through lines throughout the season is their engagement. And she tries to give back the ring.
00:52:49
Speaker
And, you know, she mentions the fact that she brought up the fact or he brought up the fact that she
00:52:56
Speaker
you know, tried to manipulate him mentally in the past. And he says, you know, forgiving is not the same as forgetting. Exactly. Exactly. And he actually asks asks her to apologize. He asks her to forgive him. And yeah, just a really nice heartfelt moment to where they can have their ideological differences, hash it out and then realize that they're still the most important people in each other's lives. Power couple, am I right?
00:53:26
Speaker
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Goals. Right. Um, anything else? I just got the last big story after that. What's that? So we just got the big story after that. The big story? Yeah. In terms of what? We're back to having just a Justice League, a covert team, and now we have a new leader with a great speech.
Jefferson's Leadership of Justice League
00:53:54
Speaker
Yeah, I can't believe I almost flubbed on that. How can I forget? Yeah, I thought we were just like wrapping it up on a big note. No, no, that was that was somewhere. Yeah, I had that in the back of my mind. But yeah, I was going to say we you know, we talked about how Jefferson called out the members of the Justice League and Aquaman kind of had that opportunity to be like a we're sorry about the way it made you feel. This is where it gets to come full circle. And he and Diana both step down as as chairman for the league.
00:54:23
Speaker
And who do they nominate? None other than Jefferson Pierce. Leaving Batman was like, I don't have a vote. I'm not in the Justice League, remember? And then he just told him, he was like, dude, you're either in or out. Like, no, Batman Inc. And Barbara pointed out. So yeah, you're the one that calls it that. He didn't even want it. That's why we need you. That's cool. Cause he was like,
00:54:49
Speaker
the ethical voice of reason. He was just kind of like, dude, we're going to do this the right way. And even if we wait, even if we lose, we're going to lose doing it right. And that, I mean, his speech was great. I love how much like everyone reacted to it. But even before the speech before Jefferson even got there, when Nightwing was like, I'm surprised everyone showed up and Batman was like, you'd be surprised how much respect you come in. That's a great development over this time.
00:55:13
Speaker
Yeah. And just speaking to the title of the episode again, like never more. I have to imagine like that's part of Jefferson's speech where he's like, if we're going to do this, we're going to do this the right way. We're going to be in out in the light, not that light, but the actual sunlight. And, you know, we're going to be a beacon of hope. So
00:55:31
Speaker
Again, with season four, I don't know what kind of time jump to expect, but I'm kind of optimistic as much as I like the covert operations and the subterfuge that are involved with Young Justice. It would be kind of nice, at least if in, you know,
00:55:45
Speaker
the first arc or it doesn't have to be the first arc, like just a good solid chunk of episodes. We can have the team forthright without any, you know, factions or anything like that and kind of harken back to maybe some of the early times in season one where you just had this tight knit unit. Not that they're not tight knit now, but there are various branches are widespread. And you can tell just in this podcast episode getting confused over character names because there just are so many.
00:56:14
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just, I'm hoping that we get to see more of the characters that we have instead of more new characters. Totally fair. Totally fair. Like I want to see more static. I want to see more Blue Beetle. I want to see more Wonder Girl. Kid Flash. I need more Kid Flash. Need more Kid Flash. The Bart version. I want the Jason Todd story to be expanded on. Oh yeah. I want Karen's baby to be expanded on.
00:56:39
Speaker
Yeah, no, I'm glad you bring up the, the, um, you just said his name and it lost me. Yeah. The red hood. Yeah. Yeah. They, when we were on, um, the, the island with the league of shadows, there was that nod to it. And wait, they just never picked that up. I'm trying to think, were there any other seeds like that that were planted? That and Damien Wayne.
00:57:01
Speaker
Oh yeah. Damien Wayne. That's right. Yeah. Good call. And then it's not in the same vein, but I, we talked about it off air, but with the, the credit scene gags with that whole Lobos finger, watching it grow throughout the credits.
Lobo's Return
00:57:17
Speaker
And yeah, so over the last few episodes, you'd seen it like start to take on like a body. Like you see little limbs starting to take form. And at the end of this episode, it looks like just like a little mini Lobo naked huddled hugging himself. And he stands up and smiles to the camera and within like two seconds just splat. He throws a cigar on him, just lights up. Oh, it's a big fire. There's only one Lobo.
00:57:43
Speaker
Like, I think he knew, like, what the incubation time for that was and just came back to Earth at that point to deal with it. He's like, oh, yeah, I think it's about time. Come back, stomp him at his left. Yep. I have to imagine it's something like that. There's only room enough for one Lobo in this galaxy. No more. No less.
00:58:03
Speaker
Yeah. Well, unless you've got anything else you want to bring up about this particular episode or the season as a whole or expectations for season four, we can kind of bring things to a bit of a close here. I'm definitely excited to be tackling.
00:58:19
Speaker
new Young Justice for the first time, along with everybody else, like we're watching. Well, I think we've encouraged a lot of people to check it out for the first time as they've been listening to the show. But just to be with the whole zeitgeist experiencing it at the same time is going to be great. Yeah. Thank you, Jay Scotty. And thank you, everybody else who started watching because of this podcast, because now I have more people to talk to about it. Like I said, I've been into this since like end of high school college. So it's nice to have like a little, little circle of hype.
00:58:48
Speaker
The true thanks and appreciation go to you for recommending it and being willing to offer your insights into such a stellar show.
Artemis Finds Hope
00:58:56
Speaker
Yeah, I got more stellar shows to talk about. Um, but to end it up on as it was really cool at the at the last scene with the cafe, like everybody hanging out unmasked and just like chilling out, having a good time, all that stuff. Do you know what a Legion flight ring is?
00:59:13
Speaker
Because the last scene is somebody like pouring coffee and it zoomed in on that ring. And because it was an L, I thought it was like something Luther related, but I'm looking it up right now since it's a Legion flight ring. And apparently it's a group of younger heroes that Superboy was apparently a part of.
Legion Flight Ring Sighting
00:59:28
Speaker
Oh, OK. I don't know Legion flight specifically, but I know the Legion of Superhero, Legion of Superheroes was a thing. And Superboy Mon-El, the Mon-El version of Superboy was definitely a
00:59:40
Speaker
I don't know if he was a founding member, but he was definitely one of the most prolific members of that group. But no, I'm glad you looked that up because I actually, I've only watched it the one time I thought it looked like a flash ring. I thought it was maybe planting some seeds to more time shenanigans with one of the speedsters. There's been quite a few different publications for it.
01:00:07
Speaker
Yeah, from what I understand, they kind of, most of their operations are off on the far reaches of the galaxy. It looks like a bunch of younger people too. Yeah. Supergirl, Starboy, Invisible Kid, Superboy, Phantom Girl, Lightning Lad, that's a cool name. Lightning Lad, I do like that. Ultra Boy, Mon-El, Lightning Lass.
01:00:33
Speaker
Oh, lightning lab, lightning glass. Okay. Timberwolf. Yeah. I don't know any of these people, but yeah, I guess that's a tease for things to come. Well, yeah, we know the subtitle for the season is phantoms. So we had invasion outsiders and now phantoms. I wonder.
01:00:58
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Phantoms, phantoms. By the way, I'm loving McGann's new look because she's still like a white Martian, but she's not bald anymore. She actually has like the long red hair. It's like, oh, that's pretty. When she's in her like human form.
01:01:14
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No, like in season four, like I want to like, because like when you scroll over to it on HBO Max, like the first picture is her in Superboy. And she's still like white martian with her outfit, but she's got like long hair. It's like, oh, that's an interesting. OK, so does she still have like kind of like the protruded brow that we've been seeing? Yeah. OK. OK. Yeah. Very good. Very good.
01:01:38
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Yeah, I think there's like five episodes out as we're recording this. Yeah, four or five sounds right. We'll record those as a clunk and then try our best to go on a weekly basis, time permitting. Yeah, yeah. And we'll look forward to bringing in some guests for that. I know there are a lot of people out there that are excited for Young Justice, Andrew, Andrew Rogers being one, and then John Irons, excuse me, Captain Game Show himself, so.
01:02:05
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some Hayley Hobbs from Source Pages. The esteemed Hayley Hobbs, yes.
01:02:10
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I'm excited to go back and read all of TJ Stafford's posts in the Stranded Panda chat on Facebook as he writes every week and it cringes me that I can't press C more. I'm like, ah. Yeah. Kudos to TJ for all the feedback. He's sent us a few emails as well as Aaron Deming. I think I mentioned we've first resumed our coverage of season three that we'll do a catch-all on all the feedback we missed out and we can do that before we
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dive into season four. But thanks to everybody for listening. This has been a really fun ride and I couldn't be more excited for season four. I'm glad we're finally here and I apologize for the delay. Let's do this. Yeah. Whether you're a panda or you're just a casual listener, we love you and appreciate you. Yeah. Yeah. So as far as plugs go, I will mention with Matthew Fox at the Star Wars Universe podcast,
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Disney Plus just dropped. It's a little bit after Halloween now, but they did their terrifying tales, their Lego Star Wars special there. So I talked with them about that, and they'll have that out later this week, as I understand. So stay tuned for that, as well as everything we've got going on here at Animation Deliberation. Zuhair, anything you want to let the people know about?
01:03:26
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To tease everybody on that show, give me a thumbs up or thumbs down. What'd you think of that show? All right, so full transparency. Give me thumbs up, thumbs down, because nobody else can see it. OK. Yeah. Worth watching? Yeah, you just wanted the simple thumbs up or thumbs down. But at the end of the day, yes, there is a lot of kitty stuff in there. But I think the overall jokes make it worth watching. It's 46 minutes. So if you're a Star Wars fan, there's enough in there for it to be worth it.
01:03:54
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Well, I'm excited to watch that. Listen to it then. For me. Don't need to watch Visions. Don't need to watch Visions. Don't need to watch Visions. I still need to watch. I still need to finish watching Cowboy Bebop. I'm a little more of a time crunch. Because you guys did Visions, like I'm trying to prioritize Cowboy Bebop so we could have an episode about it out before the live action. Sure. And then it's going to be the first time we talk about something live action. So I'm trying to prioritize that a little bit. But yeah, definitely need to finish Visions.
01:04:25
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Um, and also like non-podcast related, uh, there's been a lot of Boruto spoilers going on. So it's just kind of like killing me to not be caught up to that. So I'm trying to add that into the mix whenever I need a break from like, whatever we're covering. That's the one that's a spinoff of Naruto, right? Yeah. It's like everyone's grown up with kids and stuff like that. Okay. Cool.
01:04:49
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We need to do Demon Slayer after the next arc starts up. And the My Hero movie, something we gotta cover soon. Oh yeah, yeah. I'm planning on seeing that. Next weekend's gonna be a busy weekend at the movies for me. I'm planning on seeing Eternals. It made millions overnight and it's like the number one movie in the world right now.
01:05:12
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Oh, I heard. Yeah, it's just it's really refreshing to see that anime is starting to have like that stronghold in the casual, casual audience. But yeah, no, I think I'm going to try and see Eternals, my hero academia, and I might actually try to squeeze in another viewing of Dune just because I want to I noticed it's dropped this weekend was a little bit more than I wanted. Even though the sequel is guaranteed, I just want that movie to do well because I loved it so much so.
01:05:38
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I had to cuss at somebody in the theater because it made me so mad. Oh no. Because like at AMC you have reserved seats, right? And so we went to go see My Hero on a Saturday and go in and there's this family, his dad and his two kids and they were in my seat. This is like the third time in the road this has happened too. Like you pay for your seat, sit in that seat, try not to cuss.
01:06:03
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Um, and I walk up to him and just kind of stare at him dead in the eyes and he was like, Oh, are we in your seats? Do you need us to move? And I was like, you know, damn well, you're in my seats. I was like, no, it's fine. It's an empty theater. I'll sit slightly over. And of course I sit behind like these three just obnoxious teenagers.
01:06:21
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And there's always that scene in anime movies, a show where there's a cutback scene and the hero has their emotional moment. Yes, it's a little cringy. We've seen it a million times, but like they would not stop snickering and laughing and crack. They just were not being subtle, like in the slightest. A couple of times like tap the back of their seat, like, Hey, no, calm down. Yeah.
01:06:43
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getting louder more annoying like you can't pay attention to the subtitles because it's looking at them so like I got up slammed my foot down got like you know I grabbed onto the seats and got between their heads because I was behind them and I was like you guys are really fucking annoying and like push their seats up grab my stuff and like went to the other side of the theater oh wow yeah
01:07:03
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Yeah. I love theaters. I love the movie experience. But guys, just please don't be an asshole if you go to the movies. Just sit in the seat you paid for. Be considerate. Keep your phone off. If it's escapism for anybody else like it is for me, just be a good human being. Don't be that guy that I just want to strangle in the back of a theater. Agreed. Preserve the movie theater experience.
01:07:32
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There are so many streaming platforms. If you don't want to treasure the movie-going experience, you can always watch it at home. And on the subject of phones, I know emergencies happen or whatnot, but you can excuse yourself and exit the theater if you absolutely have to check your phone to take a call. But that's my little soapbox there.
01:07:48
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yeah like if you can text back it's not an emergency i'm sorry yeah if it's an emergency you run out of there or you call yeah exactly all right um i think that's everything that i've got so i'm not just psa but god did that get me fired up because i'm just gonna think about this movie and just think about how much i hated those three jackasses
01:08:09
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I have not had that bad a movie going experience, I don't think ever. When I went to see Justice League, there was a similar instance where there were like some 12, 13 year olds where I could just tell they weren't even being like,
01:08:22
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I guess they weren't like ragging on the movie or anything like that, even though it's not a great movie, but just the volume and frequency at which they were talking. I was like, okay, this is going to annoy me. So I just moved myself to another part of the theater. Yeah, there's a couple of times I've been like, like, I think the only time that I got, I don't even want to say few, but there was a point where it's like there was a quiet part of the movie. So I yell, turn off your phone. Cause like,
01:08:43
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It was a dark movie, and you kept seeing his light at full brightness go up. I think that's the closest I've gotten. There's a couple of things. It's like I'm irritated, but I don't say anything. But God, were they just really... It's like, dude, you guys, me and my friend, and then this one family over here, shut up.
01:09:03
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Yeah. We shouldn't end things on a negative note, but I could actually go down like a laundry list of like theater pet peeves. Like if we get enough emails, let's do an episode on like theater pet peeves or like funny stories. So as always, animation deliberation podcast at gmail.com right in. If we get enough emails about horror theater stories, then actually we do an episode on it.
01:09:26
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Just a little test to see who all listens to the end of the episode. I do want to just put a prompt out there. If you want to hit us with some feedback, let us know what the first animated film that you got to see in theaters was. And actually, it's kind of worth noting the first two movies. It's not that uncommon, I guess, for young kids to probably go see.
01:09:45
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animated features as their first films. But the first two movies that I have vivid memories of seeing in theaters are 1994's The Page Master, which was actually a live action animation hybrid in which Macaulay Culkin goes into the world of books. But then I also got to see Toy Story, which is fitting because we just did we didn't mention it, but we did do a reaction to the Lightyear trailer that's out there. So stay tuned for that as well. So let us know what was the first animated feature you saw in theaters.
01:10:14
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I can't think of anything before the Pokemon movie. Oh well, okay. That's a good one. I mean, I'm sure I have, but that's the only one I can remember. That was like 1999? Yeah. Okay. I think before that, because the Lugia one was called Pokemon 2000. Oh, right. Okay, maybe 90. It couldn't have been two. That would be aged very well. I haven't seen it in years.
01:10:40
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Oh, so you haven't seen him like, huh? Oh, no, no, I've seen it. Yeah. I mean, two of the greatest quotes like in history came from Meowth and Mewtwo like. Oh, what are they? Oh, I got to look it up. I was going to say, as far as Pokemon goes, like I'm I'm an original 150 that generation, but once you get past that, like once that movie came out, I kind of that's when. I won't say I aged out of it. It was just, yeah, just other things started to
01:11:11
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occupy my attention, but we are definitely in the weeds at the end of this episode. So thanks everybody for tuning in for this long and continue to tune in. That's T double O in IN. Stay well.
01:11:24
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