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Ep 25 The Art of Spirit Mind Living with Jeffrey Allen
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In this episode, I sit down with renowned energy healer and spiritual teacher Jeffrey Allen, all the way from Tokyo. We dive into the concept of “spirit mind” versus “material mind” - and how learning to harness both can bring more authenticity, presence, and peace into your life.
Jeffrey shares the story of how he met his wife through a powerful intuitive experience, explains practical ways to recognize and overcome resistance, and offers wisdom on finding your community as you move through your spiritual awakening. Whether you’re craving more meaning or deeper connection, this conversation is full of insights to help you live with greater ease and clarity.
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Introduction to Misunderstood Podcast
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Hello, beautiful souls. I'm so grateful that you're tuning in. Welcome to my podcast, Misunderstood, guiding highly sensitive people through an emotional dark age.
Sensitivity as a Superpower
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I'm your host, Candice Vandal, and I'm honored to embark on this transformative journey with you.
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Have you ever felt like you didn't quite fit into the world around you or even your own family? Like your sensitivity was a burden rather than a gift? If so, you're not alone. And here's the truth.
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Your sensitivity is not a flaw. It's a superpower. It's what allows you to feel deeply, to connect with others on a profound level, and to access a higher realm of consciousness. And on this podcast, we're going to explore how to harness that power and use it to create a life of purpose, passion, and true confidence.
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Here in this sacred space, we honor your sensitivity as the gift it truly is. Get ready to embark on the journey of unapologetic emotional honesty and next level healing.
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Let's dive in together.
Introduction to Jeffrey Allen
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Jeffrey Allen is a popular Mindvalley author and speaker, a powerful energy healer and a pioneer in online energy training. Through his online programs with Mindvalley, He has introduced more than 1 million people worldwide to the exciting world of personal energy healing to improve their relationships, deepen their spiritual connection, and increase their personal presence, happiness, and impact in the world.
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Jeffrey's mission is to make energy work in higher awareness available to everyone so we can each unburden ourselves from needless conflict and pain and embrace happy, fulfilled lives and true passion, purpose, and meaning.
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In his latest program, Awakening Your Spirit Mind, Jeffrey teams up with his profoundly intuitive wife, Hisami, as she shares her deeper behind-the-scenes view of what's happening with global consciousness and how you can align with the big changes we're all experiencing.
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This is your key for moving beyond conflict and fear to begin living from fullness and love. Please welcome my guest, Jeffrey Allen.
Jeffrey's Journey and Synchronicity
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Jeffrey Allen, welcome to Misunderstood. I'm so excited to have you here today.
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ah Thanks, Candice. I'm excited to be here too. it's ah It's always great to look at things from a new perspective, and I'm i'm excited to do that today. Yeah, absolutely. And you're coming to us from Tokyo. Is that right?
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Yeah, yeah. I'm ah just a little bit outside of Tokyo. And yeah, I've been here for ah over 14 years, which is kind of surprising when I say it. know I didn't actually know. I didn't intend to move here. It just sort of happened.
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Well, that's even more of a cool story, I'm sure. i i lived in Tokyo when I was really young. um It was actually a really special place for me. it was my first modeling contract when I was a teenager, and I went back five times, six times maybe, and so I really love it. So when I learned that you lived there and you still live there, I wasn't sure you were still there.
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i was so excited. So it's one of my favorite places. yeah You and your wife, Hasami, did you meet her in Tokyo? I did. I was actually at the time I was traveling and teaching. So i was teaching ah intuition and ah energy healing and some channeling classes. And and i was getting invited to different places. So i just actually the company name was Synchronicity Japan.
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and I just got an email from them. i just been on a radio show called Synchronicity. So I thought it was from ah the radio show, actually. I They just said, Hey, we'd like you to come teach in Japan. I'd never thought about it. I didn't have any like, um, real background with Japan. I just thought, you know, uh, cool people make good cars electronics. And I had a very like basic understanding.
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Uh, but once I got here, I, um, i am right before I came, my friend was hitchhiking just the day before I left. I happened to pick him up, give him a ride somewhere somewhere. And he said, I told him to go to Tokyo and he said, ah yeah, you should meet my friend while you're over there.
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And so he gave me Sammy's friend's business card. i just started somehow it sort of stuck in my mind. Like and need to keep this. This is really important. Like all my teaching was done. It was probably, I've been here little more than a month at that point. And, um,
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this card just kind of kept coming to the top of the stack. And so I picked it up and I i called and i was talking to Isami's friend and and saying, oh, you know, our mutual friend, so we should have lunch. And I totally forgot it was friend of the friend, you know.
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and And she said, yeah, that sounds really good. let's I'll bring my friend Isami. And that's my wife. And as soon as she said he saw me his name, I just like the energy is like, I was like, yes, bring her. ill you staying It's like your soul was like, please answer the call.
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but yeah Yeah. It was, it was like love before first sight. I never ah talked to her, seen a picture, heard anything about her, but I was standing outside the restaurant, you know, waiting
Spirit Mind Program Development
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for them at lunch. And was just getting this constant download of information, like how are relationships going to be, what we're going to do. And I'm like, okay, can I meet her first? You're like, okay, I get it. And let me see if I like her. get it But that was no, that was no problem. As soon as I, soon as she walked up, I was like, oh, wow. that yeah I couldn't even have asked for somebody that ah is wonderful and beautiful and is good a fit for me.
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Yeah. and Yeah. What I love about you guys is you have a collective purpose together. And one of the things you did is you designed this new program. i don't know if it's new. How new is this program? It's we just released it in Japan this year, but it came out two years ago in in the English market. So.
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Okay, so it's kind of new, but also you've been doing it for a while. And I love the name, I love the concept, Awakening Your Spirit Mind and Spirit Mind Living. One of the things that I love about this is how you talk about there's two different paths to spirituality, really. It's the outside in or the inside out.
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Can you talk about that a little bit?
Paths to Spirituality
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Yeah, you bet. Yeah, thanks. that's ah it It's these little simple seemingly simple concepts that could be like, oh, of course, we want to look within instead of looking outside. They seem so simple at first, but these are actually really deep and fundamental topics that when you understand them a little more, all of a sudden, like, whoa, my whole perspective changes.
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And so, yeah, the easiest way to describe it from the The training for me, the spirit mind training is really Hisami's training. She'd been teaching this for more than 10 years in Japan before I met her.
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And I didn't really know because we don't speak the same language. Right. I just happened to get in in. At one point was like, I need to get an interpreter and sit in our class. I think she actually suggested it. She'd been gone coming to my classes.
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And um because I had interpreters too. And I was just blown away. I'm like, okay, so wow, this is like really fundamental stuff. And so what she said was, she said, basically, if you want to understand what's happening to all of us, you have to understand that we really have two minds.
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So we have the mind that we're used to, that's that's perfect for the material world. hu I turn off my things here. There we go. so we have we have our mind but the material world, which is perfect for our daily lives, keeping track of things, measuring stuff, assessing if it's safe or not safe, you know, like thinking up what we want to create.
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and um And that's really what most of us are using most of the time. And so that's what we're talking about when we say that the sort of the path, you know, those of us who are like excited about spirituality, excited about personal growth, are probably going to initially approach it from this mind.
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so we're going to think like, okay, and like I was just in a summit called Mastering Spirituality. And I kind of, I i gently pointed out to the you know the host who's a friend of mine too. I said, ah that title is perfect if spirituality had something to do with the material world. Like if you could master it, like you would master physics or something, but ah it doesn't, it's like, it doesn't, like it doesn't have anything to do with that mind.
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So personal growth comes from a completely different space um from the what a somebody calls spirit mind. And so when you're thinking inside and outside, ah that's true, but you want to think a little bit deeper. and So you want to think, OK, which mind am I using here? and am I trying to understand my inner desires? Am I trying to understand like what I'm here to do in the world? Am I trying to understand that all from the from the mind that understands the material world but not the spirit world?
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Because if that's what I'm doing, ah that's actually not going to work. There aren't going to be any lasting answers there. Or am I doing the opposite? Am I saying, okay even though i love my material mind, I love my ability to think and analyze and and so on, I understand that it's not the it doesn't have any answers about this topic.
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Now, it'll make up answers like crazy, right? That's where all of us have this brilliant mind that can fill in the blanks with good ideas. But that doesn't mean they're true, right? So if something, like if I talk to people about stuff, I'm a reasonably smart guy, so people will say, oh, that that makes sense.
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And right away, I want to caution people to say, well, that doesn't mean it's true. Just because something I said made sense, that just means I was able to arrange it all in a way that you couldn't tell if it was true or not. but but You couldn't find any flaws in it. That doesn't mean it's actually true. so hey but So make sense doesn't really apply to um personal growth and spiritual growth.
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um But when you tune in with SpiritMind, ah Completely different perspectives. So what happens there, and I think everybody has this experience. and What happens there is ah suddenly you just know all the information. 100%. You don't know why you know, but you know that you know.
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So and when your friend says, what do you mean? I don't understand. Why are you choosing that And you're like... I can't tell you why I'm doing this, but I can tell you that I know this is right for me.
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So that's when like, okay, now we're, now we're in the spirit mind range here. Like you're not, your logical mind isn't, um isn't needed. And in some ways it's kind of, um, you know in the way or just noise, right? So so outside in is ah is kind of the way we usually think about it, but little deeper is like, really, ah which mind am i using? Am I using the mind that buts ah gonna that has all those answers or am using the mind that has the answers for something else?
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yeah I love the way you you put it because I always say if you see it from a higher perspective, it will look different. and everyone's like, how do you get to the higher perspective? How would you suggest people get to that spirit mind and recognize when they're not in their everyday material world reality mind?
Overcoming Resistance and Personal Growth
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's a great question. So yeah there's two parts so First, I would say one is just asking yourself the question is usually enough. So, cause when we, when we pause for a moment and we ask ourselves something like, uh, like the one he saw me always says, students are asking questions and she always says, ah which mind is this? I love it.
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And right away people go, ah oh right, right. Got it. That's my mind. Okay. i don't I can just stop right there. Cause I know that it's perfect for many things, but not this.
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So that's the simple one. But I'd also say, and like the way you framed the question you said ah from a higher perspective, Now, the higher perspective is actually, that's a material mind idea.
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a higher consciousness, higher perspective. So the, you know, our our analytical mind or material mind is really good at the material world. Yeah. It needs to be able to like measure things, put things on a scale. Like we've got a one to a hundred. Where am I in that range? Am I higher? Am I lower? is good and then they And then you throw a,
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termine is also perfect at assessing safety. So it's got to do judgment. Like a lower is probably not as good. Higher is probably better. And so suddenly, like just by adding just a word, we say, Oh, higher awareness. All of a sudden it's all the stuff that's loaded on. And like, but the intention is pure. The intention is like, I'm trying to say like more, um,
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authentic awareness or like ah pure awareness or, but the word that comes to mind is higher awareness. Oh, that feels perfect. But right away, a lot of people are going to say, i don't like that. I feel judged.
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I feel like higher awareness people are looking down at me and telling me there's something wrong with me because I'm not at this like higher awareness. Right. And it's, it's not actually where people are coming from, but it's often received that way.
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Well, I should say it some people, sometimes people are coming from that place. Yeah. I'll correct myself. I've come from that place before of judgment. So that happens too. ah No, it's kind of funny because when you think about it, oh, think of it from the higher perspective and you're like, well, if I'm not doing that, then I'm not as high as the perspective I need to have. so it's such, it's so funny with language and simplicity and how, how these things can be really construed in a way. So when, so I guess what you say is spirit mind, right?
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Do you have ways of referencing that? Like, I know you say it's about the feeling. I know exactly what you mean. youre like It's almost like a nonjudgmental thought. It's not structured in things. It's more like what feels good without all the needs, right? Without it needing to be a certain thing, what does it feel?
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Yeah. So interested in writing. Yeah, you should be perfectly. yeah Oh, okay, good. I was like, how would you teach that? I think that's how we would teach it. Just how does it feel? And when you said you said how it feels too, you got to be careful with that word because a lot of people feeling means emotion.
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Yes. And we're not talking about that at all. So emotions, which I love, you know, I'm a super emotional person. i can get carried away easily, but emotions are part of the material mind.
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But most people would think, oh, emotions belong with spirits, you know, because this logical mind is about logic and science. Totally not true, right? So emotions are a another way of us interpreting the world around us.
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it's more It's mostly body-based. It's based on our experience, our trauma, you know, our hormones in the moment. You know, it's like yeah emotions are not... connected to our spirit. They're a body experience, and therefore our body, mind, or a material mind is the one that's understanding those and often manufacturing those. you our Emotions are mostly stories.
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I was going to say that when i when I teach about emotion, emotional intelligence, I say our emotions are really our perception of what we're feeling, what we make it mean, how we judge it. If we can just feel without making it an energy of an emotion, then you're in a good place. But keeping that flow is really hard for people. Speaking of not keeping a flow, another thing you teach on a lot is resistance.
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And resistance being the biggest, one of the biggest issues to stay in your flow. And I always say, too, like, if you're not allowing what is, you're already in resistance. You're already going to feel frustrated. You're already going to try to control reality and say, you know better than what is. Right.
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So one of the things that I wanted to ask you about is ways you teach to accept and allow in an easier way so we can get out of the resistance. It's not a bad thing if you start to resist and then you realize it and then you stop that.
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But how can you just let it be, let it flow? Yeah. Yeah. And and really, ah you again, the answer is the answer is really simple when you have this framework of two minds. And without that framework, it's it's complicated to try to describe these things, especially because spirit mind doesn't use words.
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and Words are also a construct of our material mind. They're wonderful. I love words. But this is why when you try to describe things, we end up saying a whole lot of words to try to describe something that we just sort of know internally.
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It's like, why do i need 100 words to describe this thing that I know? and but But resistance. So when you talk about that, basically what we're saying is that I have this true desire that's within me so that I'm being ah something that I want or something that i'm I'm like being pulled in a certain direction. Like all of us right now are being pulled along by this new energy that's hitting the planet.
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And so all of us are being like sort of pulled ah you know to expand or to move up if you like, or to go more within, you know, and we're basically coming back to a more authentic self.
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yeah And the timing is perfect because we've got all kinds of tech that's coming in to help us and everything. And so as this happens, especially now because we're being pulled by something that's not our conscious intention, it's natural for us to resist.
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It's like, I don't remember asking for this struggle. I don't remember like ah thinking that i want to be uncomfortable with my successful life. i'd I never asked for that. i i thought I thought if I could do all the things that made me successful, then I would be also happy.
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So like I don't understand why that's not happening. You know a lot of people have hit that. I've hit that myself before. and um And so that's where the resistance comes from. It comes from this idea like, I didn't ask for this. And maybe things should be a different way.
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And so the way to get out of that really, the the simplest way is this same question, like, oh which mind is this? It's like, okay, right away. and yeah I know this is coming from my ma material mind.
00:17:23
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Doesn't mean it's not real. Doesn't mean I can just discount it But it gives me space to have a second perspective. This is not the only thing that's real, right? So, yeah, I have this resistance. I have this fear or worry or frustration or whatever it is that's causing me to not want to move forward in a particular way.
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I have all that. That's okay. I'm not, I'm not judging that or I'm not resisting the resistance. Like you said, you know, um like totally. Okay. That's normal. But I also have another part of me. I have another part of me, a spirit mind where I can move into that perspective. I can take a breath, just take a moment and then say, okay, right.
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I'm in resistance. Okay, good. I'm in resistance and I know myself. I know that it's because of, I had some experiences that were traumatic, you know, on a big level or on a small level.
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that relate to this this change I'm going through. And so I'm resisting. But I can, from this perspective, I can see myself with love. i be like, oh, i I really love myself. I have compassion for myself and for other people too. The same situation applies to other people.
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I have compassion for that I'm stuck in some of these loops, these mental loops and worries and concerns that if I take a step back, even though I can't feel it in the moment, I take a step back, I know that a year from now, these things will but have been forgotten. yeah Maybe a week from now I'll be feeling different way. Maybe it's tomorrow I'll be laughing at how frustrated I was today and or I'll be apologizing for the things I said from frustration. Right.
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And, and all that stuff's okay. Just having that bigger perspective helps. It's kind of like, I'm looking for a little prop here. It's like, grabbed this, you know, when we, when we have frustrated, so imagine this is my frustration, right?
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So and what it's kind of like, um, You know, our our stories that we make, I call them ah pictures. That's kind of the term I learned for them. So it's kind of like this little story or movie. It's got all this information. And what happens is when we're in resistance is it's like right here in front of us.
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And so everywhere I look, I'm like, this is true. This is true. This is true. Oh, it's terrible. It's terrible. This is true. This is true. This is true, right? Because that's all I can see. And then all of a sudden I ask this question, ah which which mind is this?
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Oh, um material mind. Boop. yeah I push this out of it. I can start to peek around the edges. It's not that this isn't true. It's that now there's more information.
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And then all of a sudden i kind of push it back more and more. and at some point it's sort of like, p oh, oh, it's gone. What happened? ah What happened was i I was able to get out of resistance. I was able to not be fixated on just this little part, which like except I'm not saying it's not true. It's just not the only truth.
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We want to expand and say, ah, there's more. And and with the bigger picture, i don't feel stuck anymore. i just say, I appreciate that I'm growing. I appreciate that I'm resisting it. And I appreciate that it's going to change.
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And all these things are okay. It's part of life. It's actually really ah fun part of life, not a terrible part of life. Absolutely. It's like i always say to people, we can get right back on track.
Integrating Material and Spirit Minds
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We don't get right back on track when we're busy, like blaming ourselves for resisting in the first place. And really what I hear you saying is this resistance is the material mind, right?
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And we give it so much power until we take that pause and say, wait a minute, there's ah another way. There's another way. I don't have to just be stuck with this perception. And what I think is so interesting too is, you know,
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I think the more I've gone into my resistance and asked myself why I have any in the first place and I'm able to be like, oh, that makes sense because I'm afraid of this. I don't want this to happen because I need it to be this way.
00:21:05
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And then you release that and you realize there's something bigger at play here. Then you start to have a deeper trust and less resistance because really you're resisting because you don't trust it's going to be okay unless you control it.
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And I know that it's always going to be okay. I mean, it is. It's always been okay or you wouldn't be here, right? It's always going to be okay. It's just the way you're thinking about it might not make it feel like it's so.
00:21:28
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Yeah. So I kind of love the whole, yeah. Yeah, and there's ah there's really, you know, both approaches work for that. So you described one, which is using both. One, you're getting the bigger perspectives. You're also including like, okay, i know there's more. I know it's going to be okay, which is all ah coming from the, you know, the wider perspective of spirit mind.
00:21:47
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um But you're also saying, okay, I can let my analyzers sort of ah look at this a little differently too. So I'm stuck in some of these stories, you know, like this, i'm stuck in these stories about how it is, but I can, now that I have a bigger perspective, I can rewrite those stories a little bit too.
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So like the ma material mind gets some relief, like, oh, I have more information. okay So maybe the story I was making, ah can rearrange it a way that that feels a little better. which is good because we don't want a discount. Like I'm never, I'm never saying like you should, we should get rid of the material mind or something wrong with it.
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It's like, no, just, it just needs support. Like the material mind works beautifully when it's inside the space of spirit mind, when it has all the information, had then it can do a great job. But when it's outside, which is where we usually have it because we've kind of elevated the material mind to this status of like, ah we should all just focus on this, you know, we should get good grades, go to college, ah speak well, you know, all these things are rewarded and modern society. But um if we do those, but we don't have any concept of our self and our soul, and we're going to, you know, we just don't have all the information to back up all the thoughts and words we have.
00:22:57
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Yeah, I don't know what you think about this, but when I think about just that concept, it feels like if we could integrate it by showing the material mind that there is another way to see it, and it starts to trust and it starts to come over to this side.
00:23:09
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It's almost like when people say, you know, there's free will and there's higher will, there's that word again. It's more like, can we just try to create some kind of a balance of both where we don't hate the material mind. We love it. We we understand it helped us work in this society.
00:23:22
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But then if we can live in the society from that other perspective, what a beautiful marriage that would be Yeah, exactly. And that's why we made this program. That's exactly why we made the Awakening Your Spirit Mind training. Because i it's funny, because before, i you know I spent most of my teaching career teaching intuition and energy healing. And and you know i'm i'm a super intellectual guy. I've got a you know a degree in mathematics and computer science. I was an engineer for a long time. and ah So but I love thinking a lot.
00:23:50
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So before i I really leaned into like, maybe I can describe things so well to people that they'll kind of relax. You know, their mind will just say, okay, ah guy that's enough. I can stop thinking about it.
00:24:03
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And it's kind of the stealth way into spirituality. Like you satisfy the material mind first, and then it can kind of relax and spirituality can sneak in, right? And with Hisami's training, she said, okay, she said, I want to do the opposite. Let's just make a training where there's really, we're not going to stimulate the material mind at all.
00:24:22
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We're just going to focus on just waking up spirit mind, keeping that energy circulating. ah it's It's really fascinating how you put it together. there's We worked on it together. it took us about five years to make the program. A long time.
00:24:37
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And a part of that was a lot that we don't speak the same language. That didn't help. But um another part was just trying to get that balance. How do you express something in a way that doesn't also trigger a bunch of misunderstanding, that doesn't also feed into resistance?
00:24:52
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And a lot of times it's just, there's beautiful music. There's some, some CG images that are showing how the energy looks. There's enough information for you to kind of keep up analytically, but there's, but mostly you're getting it directly.
00:25:06
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and know, we're just speaking directly to spirit mind. Yeah. it's It's really fascinating. And then, um and then the other part is me like um kind of talking through my experience, like as student number one from Hisami in this particular training saying,
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i you know I really thought I understood what she was saying. i was sure she said these three things. and i went you know and And then six months later, whatever, I realized, hey that's That's not what she's saying at all.
00:25:33
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That's what my material mind wants to think. Or I'm sort of processing the old way of understanding. But now we kind of get it. She's actually talking about something completely different.
00:25:44
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And that's those are the kind of insights that come like over and over. And it's just like, okay, world blown. like Got it. I'm an expert in this world. That doesn't mean... I'm an expert in this one yet.
00:25:56
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You know, hundred percent this is what I love about spiritual work in general is people will, for example, I get this comment a lot when people do one of my courses and then they'll do it again and again. they're like, it was a different course every time because your ah level of understanding and consciousness literally shifts.
00:26:12
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The more you start to be in that space, I'm sure you know a lot about that, right? You've been doing this forever and it all and it never ends. Like it just keeps getting better and more free and more clear and more,
00:26:24
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I would say expansive, which I think is the real freedom is this expanding your mind and understandings of things and seeing things in so many different ways and having peace about it. There's nothing better, honestly. Yeah.
00:26:35
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Yeah. Yeah. And having peace about it is really and the important part. It's, so it's funny. I think there's, there's this misconception. A lot of people have that, I'm going to grow to some level, whether it's, it could be, i'm going to grow my business to some level and grow my person to some level.
00:26:51
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And then I'm going to feel like satisfied. Like I'm just going to basically, I'm going to try really hard, climb up this ladder. And then somehow I'm just going to horizontal and that's going to be okay with me. Probably not. If you're like a ladder climber, you're going to want to keep going.
00:27:03
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yeah So ah how do you do that in a way that's, that feels good? um, I've had that same experience too where ah you mentioned it's really funny where students will say, okay, I finished the program, what do I do next?
00:27:18
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It's like, well, just go ahead and start start at the beginning again because now you're you're at a place of understanding where you can actually hear some of the stuff I said there. then You go through like four or five times and... I'll go through occasionally and watch the spirit mind training again or even my own training again.
00:27:32
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I'm surprised. I'm like, I don't remember saying that stuff. That was just like downloading in and hung your i'm learning I'm learning. I can learn from my own programs over and over, certainly everybody else can.
00:27:44
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no it's so funny. i I teach this live class called inner work and people do it over and over and over. and they're like, it's always different. I just want to do it again. And I said to one of my clients the other day, i said, I actually watched some of my videos from that the other day. And I was like, wow.
00:27:57
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Where did that come from? like It was such great information. and it's It's a channeling, right? And it's such an extremely awesome experience to do that. um I wanted to ask you speaking of channeling, when I was really young, I had my first out-of-body experience, which was really my, I would call it
Journey of Awakening and Oneness
00:28:14
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awakening. It was my 16th birthday. And I was out-of-body and I saw...
00:28:18
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Crazy things. Everywhere I looked, I saw my face. And I had these downloads about how we're all the same. There's no separation in spirit. It's just in the material world. i I knew that. And at such a young age, it was like this, I felt like heaven had dropped into my body. And at the same time, confusing because nobody could really relate to the experience that I'd had. And this is really what kicked me off on my spiritual journey of like, I got to figure out the answers. I started reading books about spiritual law. I started doing all this in high school and people were like, dude, everything you say is great, but huh?
00:28:51
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And so my question is to you, because it took me forever to figure this out. I had to create it. But when you start to become more, let's say conscious or awakened to things,
00:29:03
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I found it very hard in my life to find community. Now it's you know widespread and all over the place. But for the people that still come to me and say, where are my people? Where are my people? Do you find that it's harder to find community the more conscious you become?
00:29:18
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And also what I found in my journey as I got older is i actually feel like I belong everywhere now because I don't actually feel that separation. So it's kind of like a weird thing to explain. What do you have to say about that?
00:29:30
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Yeah, that's perfect. So I love everything you said there. And what you're doing is you're you're describing both of these two perspectives, right? So ah from the material mind perspective, yeah, it's it's hard to find community.
00:29:42
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yeah So the more kind of specialized you become in anything, it can be like, you know, I'm a plumber and I've become like the top level plumber that understands fluid dynamics better than anybody in the world. It's going to be kind of lonely because who do I talk to about these things? Right.
00:29:57
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doesn't have to be a spirituality, um but the same thing happens. The more specialized we get in understanding, you know, how we work energetically and how, you know, how life is kind of put together for us. Like that's,
00:30:10
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it's hard to talk to because most people are you know, just speaking from talking about the world. They talk about the news what's going on. And, you know, that's, that's the, that's what's real. And, um, Which is funny, my wife always says that, oh no, this is the real world.
00:30:24
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yeah She says, the real world is like, if you took all that stuff away, all the news, all the stories, all the objects, we would still be alive and there'd still be a lot going on. and that's that's the, she said, that's the real world for her.
00:30:37
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totally agree. And so from that perspective, but if if you're in spirit mind, you notice exactly what you said is that I actually fit in everywhere. I can relate to almost anybody because ah Everybody is basically me anyway.
00:30:51
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yes You know, kind of consciousness. said It's funny. The first time I got this really deeply was um I was at I was in Los Angeles and the Dalai Lama was teaching. There was actually training for.
00:31:02
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there were 108 monks on stage and he was teaching them, but there was kind of this like mini stadium of people just there to watch and observe and mostly fall asleep because the energy was so vibration was so high that nobody could stay conscious. And so I was just tuning into him cause it was on Tibetan. And I said, um so I like to talk telepathically. That's fun for me. And so i just said, can you give me the cliff notes? Like what's the, what do you what are what talking about? He said, Oh, just' just one thing I'm saying this entire weekend is that we're all one.
00:31:32
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Oh my gosh, how funny. And I was like, okay, good. but Next weekend, I'm at another, just a very small training with with my teacher Jim Self. And there's 12 students there. I've been in the same training before. i was kind of auditing. So I felt like a little room to goof off, you know, energetically. And I just kept remembering the Dalai Lama told me telepathically, we're all one. So I'm sitting there, i'm watching much my teacher. and And then I thought, well, we're all one, me just try to yeah I've got the Jeffrey channel. Let me try to turn on the Chris channel.
00:32:04
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It's next to me. And all of a sudden, like, wow, and now, right in this moment, I'm Jeffrey. Next moment, I'm Chris. man but the only But the I am part is the same.
00:32:15
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yeah i felt no I felt no different, even though I had a different name. And like, okay, interesting. So then I did everybody in the room. So all a sudden I'm looking, I'm seeing from 12 different perspectives. I'm seeing the teacher.
00:32:25
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I've got all the thoughts, feelings, emotions of all the different people. But they're all me. It's just me having different experiences. Yeah. And then I i thought, well, we're all in the same room. We're all kind of in the same vibration.
00:32:37
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me see if I stretch a little further. Who's the next closest person? So walking by the window outside the hotel, there's some guy walking down the street. And all a I'm him, too. and And I can see the stoplight. The car is going by. I'm thinking about something else and totally different vibration.
00:32:51
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Still me. Still I am. you know, this man, I am this woman, you know, it's, and it, so it gave me a really tangible yeah experience. Sounds had something at 16 that was equally but powerful. but This is so similar.
00:33:06
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Yeah. Once you get that, it's, it's sort of, it doesn't, it's hard to make sense of it with
Practicing Spiritual Awareness
00:33:13
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the material mind. Cause it's also true that we're separate and we have separate bodies. We can see them. We can measure the distance between us. So that is also true.
00:33:21
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So it's not one or the other. And that's the that's the trick with this game. That's why i say you have two minds, all of a sudden you have a lot of freedom. You can totally believe this thing, totally understand it, and there's still room to have a completely different perspective that doesn't necessarily jive with this.
00:33:35
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That's okay. that's why That's the beauty of saying you have two minds. So it's okay. They're both great. Use them both, love them both. and They're not competing in any way. And all a sudden, oh, wow, I've got room to be more...
00:33:50
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You know, I have to jump in on this because it's really interesting. I just briefly told you that story about my awakening, but the piece I didn't tell you that is even more similar to what you said is it happened when I was at a youth group convention with 2,000 kids in a sermon.
00:34:05
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listening to a preacher talk about spirituality and you were listening to the Dalai Lama talking about spirituality. It was almost like I literally lifted out of my body and saw the entire room. I saw my face was the preacher's face. Everyone's face is my face. And it was the oneness. And everything you just said is exactly what I experienced at 16 years old.
00:34:26
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And I love that this is actually something someone else has experienced in almost the same way. But what was so hard, like you said, it was kind of trying to bring that, experience into high school.
00:34:39
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Can you imagine? And so I knew it was like my initiation. Like I knew i saw what I was going to do in the world. It was this. And I knew and everything started happening very synchronistically from that time. And so I knew there was that. But you know what?
00:34:52
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The hardest thing in the world for me back then that I love teaching about now is how to stay aligned. Stay in that consciousness. It is so easy to get kicked out.
00:35:03
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It is a daily practice. And when you're surrounded with a collective that is not in spirit mind, it is one of the hardest things. a lot of my clients have woken up, right? And their biggest resistance is to themselves for not knowing how to keep it.
00:35:20
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They're like, I didn't have my parents didn't understand. I didn't have teachers. and that's why I think people like you in the world are so special important to be teaching this to all ages and all people and a simple concept that is profound. Right.
00:35:33
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And yeah there's so many questions I want to ask you. i mean yeah, one quick thing on that, too. I'd say um for people i'd like your your clients and students that are hitting that that they're the the thing to do is to remember that it's totally okay. Like it's totally normal to move back and forth between these two awarenesses too.
00:35:53
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Like said, I think this idea that there's somehow a linear path that we're on, that we're going to move into higher awareness. And then like, every time I'm in a different awareness, I'd feel like I might feel a little guilty. Like, I moved backwards or what's wrong with me. I've sort of, now I'm back into the, the other world. And,
00:36:08
Speaker
looking at me outside and in and it's like that's like that's okay that's called normal life so like my my life there's many times where I'm really in my material mind perspective I'm experiencing stuff in that way I'm thinking about stuff or analyzing and that's okay that's good I just also want to be able to at times take a step out and say oh I also have this perspective yeah But it's it's natural for us to kind of judge ourselves for like, oh, i'm I'm slipping back into this or I'm like, somehow yesterday I felt a little bit more aligned than today. Don't worry about any of that. yeah that all of it's
00:36:46
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All of it's normal. It's progress forward. And what we're trying to is bring them together anyway. yeah So we're not trying to get away from anything. We're just trying to integrate this experience. And it's ah it's going to take time, not for and individually, but for everybody, because yeah our world has has moved pretty far away from center.
00:37:05
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like We've moved so far outside of center, so ah out of tune with the natural world that we're on the brink of making our planet uninhabitable. Like that's, that's like, that's amazing. Like, wow, you can actually get that far out of tune.
00:37:21
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Yeah. and And we've done it. and So we're coming back. you know, I'm hoping in time, i you know, I'm hoping in time, but it's, um it's okay. Like, don't worry if you're, if you feel yourself, oh, I'm over here sometimes. No no problem.
00:37:37
Speaker
The fact that you're noticing means you're already coming back. You know, just that's funny and absolutely. And, you know, i always say you can never go as far back as where you started because you already have the awareness that you just went back.
Balancing Urgency and Authenticity
00:37:50
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There's number one. Right. And then I think that one of the most beautiful parts of my journey was really giving myself grace when I was in the ego or I wasn't a trigger. or I was falling back. And and the faster I could love myself where I was, the faster I got right back on with a new awareness.
00:38:07
Speaker
Right. Right. And relationship to the self. And I think another thing you said that is so important is our freaking world is on fire right now. It's not like we're living in the most stable, loving, graceful place. So, of course, it's going to be a challenge to maintain something.
00:38:23
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That is kind of at war in a way. I mean, we are moving into the Aquarian age, right? Where I've been talking about this forever and I'm so excited to finally see it where we are being asked to start to lead from our authenticity, from our heart space. And what that means is being honest about where you are and and loving it and being okay.
00:38:42
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um i could talk yeah and and and things are changing a lot yeah things are changing so it's um again you you can have two perspectives and i look from this perspective yeah there's a lot of conflict a lot of things that i'd prefer weren't happening in the world um but i can also see from a different perspective that on the bigger arc we are sort of moving more into authenticity and grace like when i started learning about energy work and I had an engineering job.
00:39:10
Speaker
I was actually working for the Department of Energy for the US s government, but a completely different energy, right? And I was afraid to talk about intuition because I might lose my security clearance and use my, lose my job. They might just say that that guy's crazy.
00:39:23
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. And I and actually had a friend say that it was really close to me. He's like, oh, you're such a smart guy. and And, but I'm just trying to figure out like, what happened? When did you go crazy? He actually asked me that. I was like, that's the funniest question I've ever heard. I'm going to remember that forever. and crazy By crazy, he meant before we always talked about the same things and agreed.
00:39:42
Speaker
And now you're talking about some other things. Even you still agree with all these, you talk about new things. So now you're crazy. Yeah, and new things are not... That happen anymore. I can't relate to... Yeah, you're right. I feel like... I feel like now that not only is there more tolerance for this, but there's more need. People are interested in desired, desiring for a more peaceful way to walk through life. And so I've noticed that too, when I started my work over 12 years ago, you know, I've had clients ask me recently who are trying to coach. They said, do you think it's going to be easy for me to become a coach? Cause it's so saturated. When you started, there was no one doing it. And I'm like, no, it was harder when I started. Cause no one even knew what the heck I was talking about. and they're like,
00:40:20
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what is what soul what and i was like no you're no you're good the climate has shifted exactly yeah you're good it was much harder when you know people just missed you out of hand yeah now people want to have the conversation that's that's good you have and the doors open not closed that's helpful yeah 100 so I agree with you I see that you know the old systems are breaking down and that can seem very negative but it's making way for a more authentic world and um i appreciate you saying that too because people leading from their authenticity just being the example of you don't have to be perfect. You don't have to be healing upwards all the time. It's all of it. It's shadow work. It's golden shadow. It's all the things and all the times and how we relate to that issue is the issue.
00:41:01
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I wanted to ask you, is there anything that you intuitively would like to share with, ah with this audience today? Oh, let's see. Yeah. intuit Let me tune in. the Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:14
Speaker
Yeah, it's essential interesting. Something was in my head a moment ago and I was getting like, oh, that's not important for this conversation. So I'm like, let that one go yeah when a When I tune in, yeah it looks like you know yeah this audience, people, of you listening right now, it looks like what you're wanting is there's just this huge yearning to be authentic, to be your own soul, to like just embody yourself. And there's there's a ah certain fatigue with the the outside world, but it's it looks like you've mostly processed through that. It's not an overwhelming fatigue or like a resistance or like I can't stand the outside world. It's kind of like more, yeah you've been through it enough that there's a little bit of balance. Like, okay, yeah, this is this can frustrate me at times, but mostly it's just noise and it's okay. What I can do is I can just keep going within, keep staying on my signal and and listening to the people that are on that signal too, helping me amplify that and circulate that spirit mind energy within me.
00:42:13
Speaker
And or any other word you've got, you know, doesn't have to be word sphere of mind, right? And so that ah looks like that's where people are are at. And I would say um the the one kind of fear that I see intuitively there or concern is that it might not be enough on a personal level or on a global level.
00:42:37
Speaker
you know so And so, i and I'll just say right away, that might be true. might be true that things are not enough or fast enough to avoid ah the consequences of acting you know out of alignment and out of ah authenticity. So that just is what it is. That's the world we live in.
00:42:58
Speaker
So it doesn't mean i I like that we're there, but I can accept it. And when I do, okay, then that sense of urgency can kind of go down a little bit. Because if I'm trying to do something urgently, it's it's very hard to also do it authentically.
00:43:15
Speaker
And you're creating resistance. Yeah. and and it's said like And then suddenly, and I'm speaking from my experience, like suddenly I can get into a space where I'm kind of feel like I'm rushing or I'm working all the time or like, i'm you know, I've got, i can see 10 potentials that I want to bring into the world. And so I'm trying to make those happen. And sometimes it's easy for all of us to kind of forget, to get lost to that and say, but actually isn't the whole point about and being here now and present in this moment,
00:43:50
Speaker
And if that's if that's the goal, I can do that right now. it doesn't require me to accomplish any of my future potential projects. doesn't require me to change at all like that. So it's so you know keep coming back to that space of realizing, oh, it's it's about being ah in this moment.
00:44:07
Speaker
And of a sudden, all the anxiety and and such goes away. I love that because I like to talk a lot lately about living unconditionally. And one of my examples was, you know, in 2018, my house burned down
Living Without Material Attachments
00:44:21
Speaker
in Malibu. I was getting a divorce. My dog died. Like all these material things and heart things all at once left me.
00:44:29
Speaker
And and i showed up every day for my clients from a hotel room and they're like, what the hell are you doing? And I was like, honestly, in this moment, I'm learning that I'm still me and I'm okay and I'm so anchored in my purpose that I still can feel joy when all these things are leaving. It was like my real life experiential learning of how external really does not have anything on the internal anchor to your soul's mission. I mean, my joy comes from my work and just being me.
00:44:59
Speaker
And um I think that's what's interesting about a lot of people who who rush things because they think if I get that, I can be happy. And I say, no. You're going to feel exactly the same way you do there. You might feel better for five seconds because you got your goal, but ain't going to feel any different.
00:45:14
Speaker
It's really about feeling that unconditional presence that you can feel all day, every day when you're tapped in. know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The thing, it's really kind of strange because it's the thing that we're trying to get to. Mm-hmm.
00:45:29
Speaker
then the the reason why we're doing all the things we're doing, we're trying to get to a certain state that state's already available and doesn't require any of those things. It doesn't, it doesn't, we don't have to do all those things. We can, and it's fun. And like that, you know, brings a lot of joy fulfill these projects and ideas and whatever we have, but it's totally not necessary.
00:45:51
Speaker
and um, i remember that, um, Sometimes when I'm, a you know, i'll be I'll be sitting here at my desk working hard, working on something, and maybe i've been on the computer for way too long.
00:46:03
Speaker
And my my dog Lucas will come in, and he'll be like, you know, up on my leg, going, you know, and trying to get my attention. And the first thought is like, hey, quit distracting me. I want to finish this. But then pretty quickly, it's like, oh, wait a minute. He's talking to me. And then I'll just look down, and he's just saying, hey,
00:46:19
Speaker
Hey buddy, it's time to take a break. Like, let's go outside. You're looking pretty stressed there. Like maybe you don't notice, but I can see it. Like, let's like, can we play for a few minutes? Can we go outside? Can we like take a walk or something? And it's like, Oh, thanks. Thanks. the hacking You popped me out of my bubble of like, uh,
00:46:36
Speaker
this moment is so self-important and but critical. And I have to focus on this, but I'm starting to forget like to eat, to enjoy, to breathe, to love, like all the things that I'm trying to make room for, you know, it's easy to forget to do those in the effort to, you know, get to this other place.
00:46:55
Speaker
Yeah. buts that It's okay. Like I said, all these are fine. It's just, ah you know, noticing and and sort of being amused with ourselves and, okay and ah and just coming back to love.
00:47:07
Speaker
Yeah, I love that. Coming back to love. One of the things i was going to ask you about, but I think we kind of covered it is, you know, once you start to really, let's say, practice and live in the spirit mind, material stuff is still fun. Like this is my experience.
00:47:21
Speaker
It's fun, but it doesn't define me. I'm not attached to it. When all my stuff burned down in the fire, was like, that's cool. I'll get some new stuff. Right. But you can kind of tell where you're at by how attached or unattached to the material world.
00:47:36
Speaker
Yeah. In my experience, do you feel that? Yeah. i love the way you say that because um it's, it's about the attachment. Yeah. Rather than the desire. So like sometimes we think, am I going to sort of evolve to a state where I i don't desire physical things?
00:47:54
Speaker
Right. Yeah. In some ways, yes, if I think about it from this perspective, but really the answer is no. so like still ah everybody's going to enjoy great food, great company.
00:48:07
Speaker
It's fun to have, ah you know, a fancy shiny object that you love. These things are great. Everybody that's, that's part of the human experience. And it's wonderful. Like embrace that. But the attachment part, okay, that's now we're talking, that's the part that changes.
00:48:22
Speaker
So if I'm clinging to it and like my identity is based on, these things, um that's the part that sort of starts to release. and That's where we get some freedom. Yeah.
00:48:33
Speaker
Yeah. Isami describes it really interestingly. She said basically, energetically to her, if I'm in this state over here, it looks like this beautiful flower with all these beautiful flower petals, but there's no center to the flower.
00:48:46
Speaker
And so it's very tenuous. you know Every time one of those petals goes away, have to rush and fill it in because I'm thinking. um it's like It's basically like my Instagram self, right? So it's all these beautiful pictures.
00:48:57
Speaker
But like there's no center there. It's just beautiful photos. Doesn't mean there is no center. but There might also be a center. But it's but she said, ah when you start to like go the attachment, like it's OK if those things go away.
00:49:10
Speaker
doesn't mean that they have to go away or that you want them to go away or that wouldn't enjoy them. It just means that you're going to be able to flow through life like you did, where your house burned down. Okay, all that stuff went away.
00:49:21
Speaker
Yeah, you probably wouldn't have chose that consciously. but But you can also well, I guess going to be getting some new stuff. the you know i absolutely agree. And the other thing I thought, well, when I could see it, as I was going through it, I knew everything happens for a reason. Everything happens grow us. And i was like, what is this? And I realized very quickly that I was not only being shown that I'm okay without stuff,
00:49:50
Speaker
And I don't have to live conditionally. I can live unconditionally with stuff or not stuff. But it was also um learning to depend on. dependable, which is me and God and not stuff and society and opinions and authority or even my soon-to-be ex-husband, nothing. It was like this empowerment of like, you are capable, you are resilient, and you're good.
00:50:14
Speaker
And I think that a lot of people don't realize the freedom we get. So yes, you can still desire these things. I love luxury. i got to be honest, fine dining, all the things, love it. And also when I don't have it and I'm like at a campsite, cool, that's cool too, right? I'm the same person. And I think that Like your wife said, that center of the flower, when the center is intact, the leaves can grow or fall or whatever, and you're still intact. But you don't have that center, when things leave or come, your your identity is on a whim. You're so living conditionally. And it's like just little learning in my own life that my joy can come from me, whether I have my house, my house is not here, the things was like...
00:50:55
Speaker
Oh, this next level of freedom and also trust. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah. So Jeffrey, i really enjoy talking with you, the depth that you bring, just the amazing perspective.
Jeffrey's Programs and Teachings
00:51:11
Speaker
i can't wait for everyone to listen to this. I want to thank you so much for joining me. Maybe we'll do a part two one time. and it Sounds good.
00:51:18
Speaker
Happy to. Yeah. I wanted you to just so tell people where they can find you, what you're offering, anything like that. Yeah, you bet. Yeah. So and you' you've already heard me talk a lot about spirit mind training with my wife, Yusami. And that's that's kind of my latest and greatest, you know, and but by my latest and greatest, like I said, it's basically my wife's training that I helped her, you know, um package it in a way that we can really get it out to that to many people rather than having to come to a classroom and learn Japanese and sit there sit in our lecture and stuff.
00:51:50
Speaker
um But that's, if you're interested in the things we've been talking about, about seeing the world from two different perspectives and understanding both of these and understanding yourself from that perspective, then i would recommend that training. And it's said just go to spiritmind.com and you can kind of ah find out about yeah what we're doing there.
00:52:11
Speaker
ah But if you're if you're really attracted to the, like all the intellectual understanding, all the descriptions, all the words around it i like in a very detailed way for energy work, that's what I was teaching before. And all that's actually in ah at Mindvalley.
00:52:27
Speaker
So if you happen to be a Mindvalley student already, ah that means you can ah you can jump in for free and take my a training called Duality on Energy Training. There's one called Unlocking Transcendence, which is ah basically just a ah class on awareness, how to like experience your own awareness.
00:52:43
Speaker
and And those are those are great journeys too. So all these are different different approaches coming to the same place. So I always like to tell people, you know when you're when you're tuning in,
00:52:55
Speaker
ah It's kind of like what you just said, Guinness. It's like, don't be attached to a particular way of doing it. So you may find that I really like this teacher for a while. and I'm really getting a lot out of something saying. And then, ooh, now there's a different teacher that I'm really excited about. um It's OK. Move from one to the other. Integrate things together you've learned from different sources.
00:53:19
Speaker
um All of us are doing our best to share what we've learned, but it's really up to you to decide what's what are the puzzle pieces that fit into your reality, your life, your experience, and to kind of assemble those in a way that's that's beautiful for you.
00:53:36
Speaker
And so I always want to give people freedom to like, know, Take anything I have and use that puzzle piece to help you understand and live and and enjoy your life. But don't worry if if there's puzzle pieces that don't fit things I say, just just let those go too. Don't worry about it. Those were probably for somebody else. So totally totally fine.
00:53:55
Speaker
and oh And so, yeah, to find out more about me in general, just go to IamJeffreyAllen.com and then you kind of see all three of those. And I've got some new stuff coming out in the next year or two. So that's a great way to keep up.
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Wonderful. Thank you so much. You have been a pure joy. I'm sure everyone's going to love it. And um I can't wait for part two. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, Candice. Yeah. You really, I love all your questions and your deep insights. And it's so fun. I can't even imagine your experience of at 16, kind of getting this like mind blowing experience and then trying to tell everybody who's really into a different reality. they're focused on different things so yeah thanks ryan thanks for taking that role yeah well I realized now I realized why I had to do it right I had to figure out my own way through uh that's for another day I'm glad we could share in that experience too but thank you again and I will see you for round two hopefully sooner than later right thanks take care