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Young Justice Season 4 Episode 7
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J Scotty & Zuhair give their instant reactions to the latest episode of Young Justice: Phantoms and tackle some listener feedback!
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Introduction and Excitement for the Episode
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On another exciting entry of animation deliberation, we are covering episode seven of season four of Young Justice, The Lady or The Tigress. And we plan on getting right into that after some ads that we have no say over whatsoever. So don't boom tube anywhere. We'll be right back.
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Sing along if you know the words. One, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah. Yeah. Woo hoo.
Hosts Introduce Themselves and Episode Theme
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Okay, welcome back to Animation Deliberation, the podcast that takes action animation and cartoons seriously, but not too seriously. I am your host, Jay Scottie St. Clair, and I am joined by the esteemed Zuhair Ali. And Zuhair, before we get into things, I have one question for you. The lady or the tiger?
00:01:26
Speaker
Yes. Great non-answer. I feel like that's kind of the answer we got too, just yes. Yeah, that's actually a fair point. We got a bit of a Schrodinger's cliffhanger, not to get too ahead of ourselves. Yeah.
Housekeeping and Listener Feedback
00:01:46
Speaker
So it is a good time to be discussing brand new Young Justice, and I'm really excited to do it. But before we do so, we do have a little bit of housekeeping, including our five star review and some non Young Justice related feedback. But before we do that, I do have to mention there's a new series out, a new Marvel series, not Marvel Studios, but Marvel on Hulu.
00:02:11
Speaker
Hit Monkey. And I've had the opportunity to see the first five episodes and I am really enjoying it. So I'm excited to cover that one. And I think we're going to bring in a special guest, a fellow panda, Mr. Blake Guylenfeld has been watching. And I think he's been enjoying it quite a bit from what I hear. Yeah, he got his first crack at podcasting on one of our sister shows and doesn't seem to want to stop now.
00:02:36
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Yeah, he's he showed up on vendors assemble for Ghostbusters with the host of spark source pages, Haley Hobbs and Brian decline there. So yeah, it'll be exciting to let him share his thoughts in the animation world.
Listener Reviews and Importance of Feedback
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With that being said, it's time for five star review time. You wanted to sing. That's so bad. Maybe I should make up a song for five.
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So we got a five star. So we got a five star review from app newbie. It's been a delight to listen to J. Scott Ian's hair. I didn't think I was going to start watching the animated shows, but suddenly I found myself watching and enjoying the programming and then listen to the guys break it all down. And I'm sure the theme song is now forever stuck in my head. Great job. Sweet, sweet. Excellent feedback. Makes me feel good about
00:03:30
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the full spectrum of content we're providing here including the thing and wanting to make a new song a little bit a little bit all right yeah uh thank you so much for the five star review and i do encourage people to continue to submit five star reviews i've seen that we've continued to have our five star ratings go up um after our
00:03:50
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September review contest, but I haven't seen any actual written reviews. So always nice to see those. Keep those coming in, guys, if you are folks, if you appreciate what we're doing, what we are doing here, we love to hear from you. And speaking of loving to hear from you, it is time to tackle some of that feedback we got.
Discussion of Listener's Top Anime List
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All right. So one of our hidden questions in the last episode is what is your Mount Rushmore of anime and TJ Stafford shared.
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My anime Mount Rushmore consists of Dragon Ball and all incarnations, My Hero Academia, Full Monogamous Brotherhood, and Attack on Titan. Sword Art Online just barely doesn't make the cut. Demon Slayer would be in the top ranks, but for my profound hatred of Zenitsu. It's not bad enough for me to dislike the show, but enough
00:04:52
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to keep it off my top four. I'm sure Naruto would be up there too, but I missed that train back when it was on Cartoon Network as a kid and I haven't been brave enough to try and tackle it yet. It's just so long. Still loving the show. I tune in as soon as I see an episode drop. Can't wait to see what you guys cover next once Young Justice is done. TJ Stafford.
00:05:16
Speaker
I agree with the dislike of Zenitsu. Oh my god, the shrieking in the dub and the sub just drives me nuts, but it's still on my Mount Rushmore. Sword Art Online, fantastic. Full Malcom is fantastic. All Dragon Ball fantastic. My hero, Attack on Titan, can't disagree with any of those.
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Naruto, I actually did watch in its early phases of Cartoon Network, so it was one of those things that I started in middle school when it finished in college. That's a weird thing to say. Yeah, it is pretty long. I started watching it in middle school and finished it in college.
Listener's Movie-Going Experiences
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Wow. Yeah, that's a long-running series for sure. It's a very long-running series.
00:05:58
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I figured I figured you would be kindred spirits there with TJ when it came to the Zenitsu kind of I won't say full on hatred, but the dislike there and I TJ does have to be like right around the same age as me because not only with like the mask, the phantasm feedback he brought up, but then just kind of like missing Naruto when it was happening is I it was the same for me. I remember like my younger brother who's who's two or three years younger than me.
00:06:27
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Watching Naruto and just kind of getting us exposed to it I've seen a fair amount of episodes and I'm familiar with a lot of the characters, but I have yet to Take on that That gauntlet for lack of a better description, but then yeah when I heard sorta online That's not one that I've watched myself, but I correct me if I'm wrong Brian v. Cline friend of the show and then Sarah day They're both big sword on sword our online fans, right? I Honestly can't remember
00:06:56
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OK, I think I knew that about them. But yeah, anyway, definitely a solid list. I've only seen the first season of Attack on Titan, but I like saying so. OK.
00:07:07
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Yeah, it was one of those ones. So one thing I don't like about anime is that you never really know when the next season is going to drop. And I get they have the thing where it's like there needs to be a certain distance between the manga and the anime. Sure. But like in regards to like just getting that information of like general timeframe. It's one of those things like when Attack on Titan did drop for season two, I was like,
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Oh, yeah, that was a thing. I need to get to that at some point. That is kind of my my issue with like finally being caught up on anime and needing to wait for the next season is like, oh, just tell just give me a ballpark of when to expect this. Keep me in the loop somehow. Yeah, I got spoiled with my hero academia because the first four seasons were available in both sub and dub, and I like to watch it in the dub, so I'm
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all the way caught up through season four and then season five is there and i could watch the sub if i wanted to but i kind of want to remain consistent it's yeah it's kind of tough to wait but yeah yeah because you watched the movie end up too right i did yeah yeah yeah i've got plenty of series to bide my time in the meantime so no worries there we had some uh additional feedback right yes erin deming said
Animated Movie Memories and 80s Cartoon Love
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I always listen to the end of the podcast or at least until the ad start. My first animated movie was a rerun of the Jungle Book. Pretty sure my cousins and I were too young because we left early. The Page Master was my first full mostly animated movie as well. Nice.
00:08:45
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The worst movie-going experience I had was the original Spider-Man movie. Me and my best friend Jesse, aka Citizen Deepak, had these punks, seriously, 90s died mohawks, behind us constantly screaming, DIE SPIDER-MAN DIE!
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We were two pre-teen nerdy kids, so we didn't say anything. Another time, I unfortunately was the bad theater goer. Freshman year of college, Jesse and I were invited to see an art house movie by some new friends. We tried to be mature and quiet through the first half, but when we sat through an hour of someone making tea, I lost it.
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Yeah.
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Hey, you have to you have to experience both sides of it. I think you have to be, you know, the afflicted moviegoer and then the bad moviegoer in order to, you know, have the full experience. And I will admit, as much as I try to. It's the word I'm looking for preserve the movie theater going experience. I did have a an experience when I was a teenager. Me and my friend were in middle school and we went to see Dickie Roberts, childhood star.
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And my friend, for whatever reason, thought it would be fun to take his Sour Patch kids and just launch them into the audience and see whoever it is. I did not participate in that, so I wasn't as bad as him. But just being associated by company, I always feel like that was my bad experience.
00:10:29
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I do have a story, but I know people want to get to the Young Justice part. So just just to lure you, I'm going to save that story for the end. So tune in for that, because we got one more feedback from Shehera, A.K. Herra, J.K. Woo hoo. Hey, guys, I'm well and feeling the Astor. The first cartoon I remember seeing in theaters was Little Mermaid.
00:10:55
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Yeah, I'm that old, but still can't resist a good cartoon. I maintain the mid-80s are the best time for cartoons. Prove me wrong. I love your covering of Young Justice. It's a cool series. I can't get the theme song out of my head. Keep up the good work. Shehera, a.k.a. Eric J.K. I'm not even going to argue if 80s were the best times of cartoons. I'm just trying to get people to watch animated context, so I'm not going to pin them against each other. But if you like 80s more, then good on you.
00:11:25
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The 80s definitely had some great animated series, like off the top of my head. Thundercats comes to mind. The Transformers cartoon definitely comes to mind. But I myself gravitate towards the movies a little bit more. And I know where we're at like 10 minutes in and people want the Young Justice content. But just
Themes of 'The Lady or the Tiger' and Moral Dilemmas
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off the top of my head, she mentions The Little Mermaid, but like The Land Before Time.
00:11:47
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Oliver and Company, all of those were the 80s and those are, yeah, those are great films. And the thing about the animation from the 80s is it was actually a lot darker. Like if you go back and watch it, it's kind of like, I wonder if an entire generation was kind of like scarred by some of that dark animation.
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Yeah. And then I don't know if she's referring to the young justice theme song or the animation deliberation theme song, because I actually do find myself having the young justice theme song. And I just you guys got to sing its praises when you covered the first six episodes that I unfortunately wasn't able to participate in. But I do love that intro so much. And just the way. Well, well. Well, it's got a little extra flair to it now. So good. So good.
00:12:36
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Okay. Well, I think that's all the feedback that we're addressing up front. We will hit some Young Justice related feedback towards the end of the episode here, but let's just- We have one more that needs to be played. Oh, that's right. That's right. I'm getting ahead of myself. We got some audio feedback. I don't got to read now. Hi, Julia. I'm just super excited to write in voices.
00:13:04
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My question for you guys is about Lightyear, and I'm wondering if you think, or what your opinions are, I know we sort of got this in Toy Story 2, but if Lightyear does well, do you think that we will have some sort of Woody's Roundup movie in the future? Or do you think any other characters deserve their own movie interested you? We'll never know what she's interested in.
00:13:34
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Oh, did it get cut off there? Yeah, it cut off. Yeah. I think we can extrapolate. She's probably saying something. She's interested to hear what we think about the possibilities there, not only for Woody's Roundup, but maybe other Toy Story characters. And I think we kind of teased it a little bit when we did our reaction. But what are your thoughts? Why do I vaguely remember saying that Chris Pratt would make a good Woody?
00:13:58
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You definitely did, because I remember bringing up the fact that he was in Magnificent Seven. I think we were kind of fan casting a little bit like if Woody were appear in like a post credit scene and like a super like the new Pixar's hyper realistic animation style. Yeah, I mean, they've introduced enough characters in Toy Story to make that very easily possible.
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What was, I might be putting you on the spot here. In Toy Story 4, Keanu Reeves voiced the daredevil like stunt character. Do you happen to know, was it Duke Kaboom? I want to say it was like Duke Kaboom.
00:14:43
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or something like that. But I would I would love to see more of the boom. Nice. Nice. I'm glad I pulled that one. Yeah. Give me a Duke boom series or a Duke boom. Hell yeah. I mean, between Bo Peep and Jesse and Bullseye like it'd be so it. They have what they need to make. Would you want a movie or would you want like a Disney plus series? Because it almost like lends itself to a series because we know it was a series.
00:15:14
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Either one would be fine for me. I mean, obviously I want to see how Lightyear does first, but. Of course, of course. Yeah. I think we're in good hands there. I think, I think, I think seeing a series of real life Woody is possible. Now, are you talking about like done in the same like hyper realistic animations that we're talking about here? You're talking about like a full on live. No, hyper realistic. OK, OK.
00:15:43
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Because I actually wouldn't rule out either one. It could happen. It could happen. Probably be a very limited series, but I could see something like that. That was good feedback, though. That's a fun thought experiment. Yeah.
00:15:59
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Okay. Now that all the young justice related talk is out of the way, we can finally get into this episode of young justice. And I just kind of say that tongue in cheek. I'm really grateful for all the, all the feedback. It's, it's awesome that we're getting more engagement and being able to incorporate your all, all your thoughts and voices in the show. It's great.
00:16:21
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But yeah, let's talk about the lady or the Tigris. And we talked off air. You can basically kind of break this episode up into three separate stories. I'll let you say what order you want to tackle them in and how you kind of broke them up by character. But for me, the way I in my notes, I kind of broke it up as it's a orphan rescue mission slash origin story. Plus, McGahn kind of leaving Mars is kind of the crux of the episode.
00:16:51
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So the only one that I added to that was Orphan's Origin and also kind of Barbara Gordon's story because they did a flashback a couple of times and the flashback is the one that I was most intrigued with because we
00:17:12
Speaker
We speculated like how Barbara lost her legs because at the end of season two, we see her being like the right hand man to lead the team. And then at the beginning of season three, she's Oracle, just full in the wheelchair. So it's like, what happened in that time jump? And the standard story for the killing joke is that Joker was just being Joker and shot her, hit her spine, lost feeling in her legs.
Oracle's Origin Story and Emotional Impact
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But I did not only was my not expecting to see how she lost her legs, I wasn't expecting it to be the way that it was because this episode was filled with like they they really were playing with our minds on how they wanted us to think things like sure is onyx the mole is savage the mole is
00:18:04
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this person on this person's side is that person on that person's side like they were really juggling with like what we thought that was going to be happening in this episode. So the fact that they even showed us that Barbara was saying like, she's like my sister, we have to find her like, if you need the whole bat family is kind of busy in the penguins cave, which I just love that reference that they're just they're doing Gotham things still, we can win two faced her for
00:18:30
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Something like that. It's like, yeah, we can call them right away and get to business. But Artemis was like, no, let's keep it with who we have right now. But with the level of affection that she had for Orphan, we thought that there was a bigger story there. I didn't expect Orphan to be the reason as to why she lost her legs.
00:18:51
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And the build up to that event of Joker being butt hurt that Vandal Savage used the Injustice League to hide their doings. And then Joker going to the UN, threatening everybody that's in there.
00:19:11
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the Bat family is basically on that mission. You see Nightwing, Tim Drake, Barbara, Batwoman, Batman. How did I say his last? And one whose name I don't remember. She has a spoiler. Was it spoiler? Could be spoiler. I don't know. I think it was spoiler. Yeah. But for
00:19:36
Speaker
for Orphan to be on that assassination mission and Barbara to not protect the Joker but actually take the hit from Orphan's sword to protect Orphan just seeing that it was a young person that was about to murder and the way that she screamed like I jumped in my seat and just like
00:20:00
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yelled. Oh, yeah. Because the way that they did that, and then seeing everybody just pounding on Joker was just
00:20:10
Speaker
Well, yeah, that was hard to watch. It was really hard to watch. It was incredibly emotional and evocative and moving. And I will say the show is kind of like played around with origins in the past and done some retconning and retroactively changed some things. But this did remind me a lot of like I think about the other moment in Young Justice where my jaw like absolutely dropped.
00:20:39
Speaker
And it was in season two when Gar had that moment where he was on the planet and he just had that flashback where he envisioned his mom dying and we got his origin that way and realized how he became Beast Boy. I felt myself right there again. And just actually thinking about the moment again, I've got goosebumps right now. It was done just so well, knowing how much Barbara cared for and making that comparison to her being a sister and just hearing in her voice how desperate she was to find her.
00:21:09
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And to see how much she cares for her, even after what happened. And even as she's lying there, like it with that look on her face, just kind of staring upwards. I can't imagine how much pain she's in or just like the horror of realizing you can't like feel your legs or something like that. But she's able to look at Orphan and tell her that she didn't do it to save the Joker. She did to save her. Like that is just.
00:21:35
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heart wrenching and moving stuff. And it's it's incredibly well done and super poignant. And. Oh, wow. Yeah, I'm a lot at a loss for word. That's that's how good it is. And yeah, I mean. Her mom, Lady Shiva even mentions like you went on this mission and not only did you fail,
00:21:59
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you betrayed us. So it makes you wonder like, because there's the ongoing joke of like her and Batman getting along so well because she doesn't talk. Like, what it what did Batman do to save her, basically, you know, but the fact that she almost killed somebody that we love as a character, and then became part of that family was like,
00:22:29
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that level of understanding and forgiveness really is something else. Yeah. And every week, it's like we find out more and more about orphan. It's like, oh, you poor child.
00:22:42
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Yeah, she's she's got it rough. And we actually got the reveal that her name is Cassandra, which made for some nice dialogue with like not only the comparison between there's a lot of allusions to sisters, obviously Artemis and Jade, as well as they kind of like play onyx and Cassandra Savage as these sisters of the, you know, as former shadows and potential moles or what have you.
00:23:11
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And then you kind of get the I what I might be pulling at strings a little bit here, but just knowing that they both shared the name Cassandra and just hearing Lady Shiva say that she wanted to give her Cassandra like the chance to redeem herself. Like I kind of felt like they were almost spiritual sisters in that regard as well. It's little things like that that just make me wonder if like the original character in the comics just happened to be named that and they wanted those characters, but like just wanted to keep the names.
00:23:40
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Yeah, that's a good question. I think we did a brief. I don't know a lot about the character of Orphan, but I think when we did a brief look up, I do think that's comic book accurate that her name is Cassandra. But I will say you mentioned how the Joker, his whole ploy there is kind of what put everybody
00:24:00
Speaker
in position and made this incredibly poignant moment even possible. The Joker is still not my favorite. This is not my favorite iteration of the Joker. It's a significant improvement since the last time we saw him when he was part of the injustice league or injustice society always get them confused.
00:24:16
Speaker
Uh, but I, I just still don't like this take on the Joker and, you know, uh, kudos to the guy, Brent Spiner. I looked him up. He's a celebrated actor. It's, it's actually kind of funny. Um, he's from Star Trek as well. The guy that voiced, uh,
00:24:33
Speaker
What's the bad tornado character? Was it Mr. Twister? Like all the way back in season one, I think it was like Mr. Twister or something like that. Anyway, that was a Star Trek character. And Brent Spiner is actually known as Data from Star Trek Next Generation. So I just think it's funny how a lot of these actors have gone on to become celebrated voice actors. But he's just not doing it for me. He seems like he's doing like a bad Dick Dastardly
00:25:00
Speaker
Impression that might be a dated reference. That's a wacky racers hannah barbara hannah barbara cartoon reference for you Uh, but yeah there are so many versions of I had a feeling that this conversation would come up and I mean you you nailed most of it, but the
00:25:19
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the positives that I'll put on there is that the character design looks really good. Yeah. And like his motions and his facial expressions were good. Sure. And his his way of mimicking the Riddler and like what the plot was on the UN like the little gas bomb just hanging over with the silly screaming. Like all of that was very joke arrest. I did appreciate all of that. But the delivery of the lines just wasn't doing it for me.
00:25:45
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Yeah, it's it's a tough thing to do. Like if you threw Mark Hamill and just had him like redo the words, I feel like it would have been a lot better, but.
00:25:53
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Yeah. And I can't help but like compare it to I've been watching kind of sporadically, but the Harley Quinn animated series, they have Alan Tudyk's version of the Joker. He does such a good job. Yeah. Yeah. And he's obviously paying like a lot of homage to Mark Hamill, but it's still like its own kind of thing. And I just kind of wish they embrace something more like that. Like, again, to Brent Spiner, it's not an easy thing to do when there are so many takes on this character to carve out something unique.
00:26:22
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Yeah, just the kind of like Shakespearean almost kind of like take just doesn't do it for me. But I do appreciate some of the good aspects that you were able to to point out there. While we're still on the subject of the Joker, it is worth mentioning Oracle did do another Jason namedrop. So we still got that lingering from season three. And then I think we've had some just non speaking. Was it he showed up at one point in the
00:26:53
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I said, you guys covered one through six when Jade was like back on encounter. Yeah. It was when, uh, it was when Talia first came up on screen with Damien and that's right. That's right. Uh, Jason was like right behind her at all times. Yeah. Cause yeah. What did Sensei say to her? You didn't come here to, to die. You came here to live again or something like that. Maybe the opposite. You didn't come here to kill. You came here to die. Something like that.
00:27:20
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I don't remember. Okay. We're not covering that right now, even though we do know how every little thing is done with intention and no line is without purpose. That being said, I know one of the through lines with... Oh, are you kind of ready to transition into the Artemis side of things? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So it's kind of...
00:27:46
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fitting, talking about just like line references there when we got the Mad as a Hatter tease from Artemis. I knew that Jade was going to show up at that point in time. I honestly totally forgot about her. Like I was so I was so locked into what was happening that I totally forgot about Jade when she popped up. I was like, oh, that's a pleasant surprise. Yeah.
00:28:14
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It was all of that and I won't spoil one of the lines she gives, but when they're talking about how it's like initially it was four against two and then Jade shows up and she says odds are evening. I was just like and then she knocks out Cassandra. Yeah, I was like, oh, hell yeah. All about this is just all sorts of hell yes for me. I'm loving shades character design and the way that he was ever so honestly pops up.
00:28:44
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Yeah, and I always have to keep in mind the way they did that episode back in season three, the triptych episode when he was like shown to have like long hair and like a beard and almost kind of looked like the white version of Jesus like to always keep in the back of my mind that he went on.
00:29:00
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Or maybe Dave Grohl is a better comparison. He kind of looked like Dave Grohl. Jesus, Dave Grohl got it. Foo Fighters. Yeah. Yeah, it says keep in mind that he once looked like that and now he's like this pale faced, really cool looking like Victorian, Jack the Ripper kind of characters. Oh, is that not a mask? Oh, I'm sure it is a mask. Yeah.
00:29:25
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Yeah, I mean, outside of Jade's big appearance there towards the end, Artemis is big thing. And like the namesake of the episode is the lady or the Tigris or the lady and the tiger. And she's kind of giving us this story about a barbaric king that basically his princess daughter falls in love with a commoner and is basically given the choice. He can pick between two doors behind one door as a tiger. Behind the other is a lady for him to marry.
00:29:55
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But the princess knows what's behind each door and throughout the episode we find out that the princess as Much as she loves the prince. She's also jealous of him so there's just as much potential that she might feed him to the tiger as that she might lead him to Marry someone else and be able to continue his life but the whole time she's telling this story like you get this montage of Savage and onyx like saving each other and you keep questioning their allegiances and
00:30:23
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And I just I thought it was really well done. And I loved how Oracle was there to provide commentary, but neither one of those quote unquote sisters were aware of it all because like there was the one little line there where Oracle said like there was a third shadow there that I know you saw. You're testing them, aren't you? Yeah. Yeah. So.
00:30:45
Speaker
little things like that. What did you think about the exchange? And I mean, you obviously sounded like you were really invested when we got the reveal there towards the end. Did you have any strong guesses as to who the actual mole was?
00:30:58
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No, I was getting a headache, if anything, just juggling back and forth. I mean, I mean, I guess I was going off stereotypes a little bit of which I was leaning towards onyx because she just like fits the vibe of the group a lot more. Sure. But then I was like, is that what they want me to think?
00:31:15
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But in reality, like even if it was like forty nine percent Cassandra and fifty one for onyx, like that's kind of where I was at. Yeah. I mean, it was it was fascinating how they did it because first she had sword to her throat and then you find out that Cassandra had the glamour charm and it was that I really got you as far as I wanted to, which is. Genius, by the way, and she has a dad like, oh, I miss using this arm and turns out her face wasn't jacked up and her eyes. OK, I was like,
00:31:45
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You savage on multiple regards, you savage. Yeah. Yeah. I think they made the right choice. And I think we got some feedback that speculated that onyx kind of fit the ilk of the team a little bit more.
00:32:00
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But outside of that, like Cassandra Savage's story about her sister's death, her sister Olympia's death being the kind of like the crux. That was the changing point. I never really bought that because I remember in the moment how quick she was to be like, it was a mercy kill. Like you did it for her to die in your arms was like the ultimate kindness. Like that never left the back of my thought. I remembered just how much of a devout follower of her father Cassandra was so.
00:32:27
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And then I guess with like Artemis's tale that she was telling in retrospect or in hindsight, you can kind of look at Cassandra as the princess because they like talk about the barbaric king and like they focus in on Cassandra the entire time that dialogue's happening.
00:32:47
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I did like when
McGann's Emotional Turmoil and Grief Depiction
00:32:50
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Artemis and the cave told both of them to stay well, and they were just so confused. Yeah. But dialogue just has to pop up. It's like it's part of the show. Like you can't not mention it, whether they're confused or not. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's second nature to us at this point in time. No. Well, asked her. We're still getting used to ejected, but
00:33:17
Speaker
Yeah. It was a great little callback there. Now, I don't think I have anything else to talk about the Artemis and Onyx and Cassandra storyline unless you do. We have to deal with cliffhangers now. We do. We have to wait every week after 30-minute episode. And all of you people that I sucked into the show, you can suffer as I did for all of season two and three. You're welcome.
00:33:45
Speaker
You're not vindictive at all Though I do have to say like because this shows not as big as The MCU shows like I don't have to wake up at the crack of dawn and watch it before going to work like I can actually go about my day and just Peacefully watch it while I'm fully awake evening without having to worry about spoilers. I
00:34:09
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Yeah, there won't be spoilery gifts all over Twitter within an hour of release. Yeah, I get that. You know, the people who write in feedback are super considerate and just writing it in the subject. The people who text or private message me, you know, say like, hey, have you seen it first? Anybody who posts anything on the strand of panda chat like they've been doing a great job in nesting. So thank you guys for.
00:34:34
Speaker
not making me have to wake up at the crack of dawn, because I am not a morning person. And I get to get on like right after watching it, so it's more genuine. Yeah, that's the way we like it. That's the way we like it. Genuine. Lucky for you. That's what I like. All right, so the third part of the story was definitely got the least amount of screen time, but that didn't make it any less heartbreaking. I don't think we were expecting any screen time.
00:35:03
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. The episodes had been pretty compartmentalized in terms of the narratives. We had this story on Mars and then this Earth-based story. And this was kind of the first time we've got cutaways to different things, but we really did not spend that much time on Mars. I think we had the opening scene on Mars. I think there was one transitionary scene in the middle and then maybe the scene towards the end and then obviously the end credits there.
00:35:31
Speaker
I'd say the the opening scene was the most eventful. Obviously her brother there. I'm going to do my best to pronounce this. Ma'alfala Ak is celebrating with his cohorts that the Gene Bob didn't necessarily wipe out the
00:35:50
Speaker
uh, the blot in and the Garoons, but it still was an act of terrorism that incited a lot of fear. So they're celebrating, but then McGann comes in and just starts wrecking shop. She is angry. She's got John Jones with her and she immediately pins him to the wall and is like, why?
00:36:08
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he he wants to know they had it had it coming like that like why are you reacting that she's like no not them connor and he's like what you care about this an earthling she's like no you know what he was used kryptonite specifically to take him out
00:36:26
Speaker
and I don't even know what kryptonite is. I scratch my head at that a little bit. It seems like they've established in the past that the galaxy or the universe seems to be a lot more connected and people know about things, but I guess it's possible he doesn't know about kryptonite. I mean the Martians have been kind of like isolating themselves for a while and then we had the dialogue from Hawker all saying that like whatever traces of kryptonite like there is nothing left and
00:36:54
Speaker
the Milky Way that hasn't been accounted for, so. Yeah. I don't think, unless he'd like really got into Connor's mind or into Megan's mind, which I don't see happening. Sure. Like he, I don't see him really lying at that point.
00:37:08
Speaker
Well, we know he wasn't lying when she searches his mind. Yeah, which is. I thought she was going to jack him up. I thought she was like, I don't care that you're my brother right now. Yeah. Yeah. I thought we were going to have another caldor situation where he was. And when when they started throwing the rocks at her, I was like, oh, that's cute. She can throw planets at you like that. Yeah, she doesn't even give them the time of the day. Bodies are just flying.
00:37:35
Speaker
her hair is like flared up in the air and she's got like those demonic eyes just. Yeah. And you kind of feel like John Jones is there just to keep her from going too far because he doesn't- Don't be back. Way back Uncle John. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. But it is really heartbreaking when she finds out that he wasn't lying and she just kind of like immediately
00:37:57
Speaker
crumples in on herself, allowing him to have the opportunity to escape via boom tube. But her question is like, who do I blame? Who do I blame? And just I kind of have to like believe that she right then and there is probably blaming herself like that. That was the reason he was even on Mars in the first place. Yeah, because it's like. Her purpose at this point is just revenge.
00:38:23
Speaker
I need to avenge my now husband who was only her husband for like 30 seconds. So at that point it's like, what is my purpose now? Like we came here for the sole purpose of just getting married and then I lost my husband and now I don't even know like who to be mad at or who to get revenge on. Like what is my purpose for being here now? Like what am I supposed to be living for if not what I came here for?
00:38:53
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely heartbreaking. And I mean, we had her just sobbing in that, in the end credits for the episode when he actually got taken out, but yeah. It'll be interesting to see how they resolve that story of, of grief. And, um, I guess it is encouraging to see like John
00:39:16
Speaker
seems committed to like helping her process this because we could dig a little snippet of him communicating with Hot Girl where she doesn't have any leads for him, unfortunately, but he is like putting the feelers out there trying to figure out what happened, trying to give her some answers. So she's not blaming herself. And it's not only John that's helping her out, but they had, you know, there was a big moment between her and her sister and how Megan was blaming her sister, her older sister for not ever being there for her.
00:39:42
Speaker
And now that they're coming back to Earth, she was like, hey, I want to come with you. Like, let's be sisters. Let's give this a try. But McGann is just so broken from losing Connor that she just doesn't care. She's like, come on. I just whatever. Like, I just have things to do. I don't know if I'm going to come back. I'm not playing anything. I don't care. Like her family is really heartbroken for her and they don't know how to help.
00:40:08
Speaker
um, and it's just Again, like the show does such a fantastic job. It's just expressing grief like it's not something you just get over overnight like there's been trauma from season one that we're still dealing with and this is something new on the books that um us as an audience are going to have to like Essentially grieve with her like see how she goes through it and works through it and constantly brings this loss back up and it's um It's heartbreaking, but it's interesting where it goes
00:40:38
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And it's all there in the vocal performance. Yeah. Like you mentioned her various family members showing a lot of enthusiasm and care and you can just hear it in their voices, how, how much they're hurting for her, but she has nothing. She's just completely closed off. And it's, it's really tough. We've seen again, go on such a journey of self discovery and become comfortable with herself and deal
00:41:02
Speaker
with a lot of trauma that you alluded to already, but just to hear her basically be so broken is, yeah, just breaks my heart every time.
00:41:11
Speaker
I think that's everything I have to say. Well, I did want to mention, I didn't get to mention it when we were talking about Oracle, but that little device that she was using to kind of like scope out the area. Her little spy drone. Her little spy drone, yeah. Having just done some coverage for Dune, having read the book and watched the movie, I could not help but get like Hunter Seeker vibes. That's fine. Yeah.
00:41:37
Speaker
And then I don't think it'll come up with the final pieces of feedback that we got, but we did have, you know, in the closing credits there, John Jones, McGann and Emory all on the ship looking kind of bored and just doing their thing. But you did have Artemis actually reading excerpts from Frank R. Stockton's short story from 1882, The Lady or the Tiger. And there's a line that she says, deliberation.
00:42:05
Speaker
And albeit it's anguished deliberation, but it's still an A word and then deliberation. So I'm, I'm taking it. Young justice said deliberation. Artemis, one of my favorites said deliberation. So we're taking it. All right. Okay. So let's, uh, unless you have anything else you want to bring up, let's move on to the young justice related feedback.
00:42:31
Speaker
Yeah. Um, I'm not sure how much of it is them being bored or the fact that it is an hour trip of nobody wanting to talk. So it's like that too. It just seems more like very awkward silence then. Yeah. Somber. Yeah. All right. Let's move on to the voice of the people. Are we listening to the actual voice or are we reading first? I can't remember.
00:42:56
Speaker
Uh, yeah, we can play from Mr. Andrew Rogers, and then we can read off from Mr. John Irons. Woohoo! Hey, Zoo Hair and J. Scottie. I thought I would record a little bit of feedback for you guys. I had an email typed up, but after Zoo Hair gave me a...
00:43:13
Speaker
Little bit of a razzing in that late year episode. I figured I would record it to save you guys a little bit of trouble. I just had some feedback for this week's episode of Young Justice episode 7. I thought it was an awesome episode. It was one of my favorites, but we talked a little bit last time about why there would be moles on the team.
00:43:31
Speaker
And I did confirm that Ra's al Ghul is no longer the head of the shadows. So who are all of these moles reporting to? Is it Lady Shiva? Is it Deathstroke? Is it Savage? And that's why they're sending Cassandra? Or is there someone else that is a bigger bad that is
00:43:49
Speaker
I mean, it could be any people just curious what you guys were thinking about that. And then, you know, I just wanted to gush about this episode a little bit, like I do with all of them. The Batman story is incredible. I love every moment of it. And then I just love that DC can change up the storylines a little bit. I know this was a different origin story for Oracle.
00:44:11
Speaker
that i wasn't prepared for i was expecting the usual one that we got out of other dc material like the killing joke so i was totally a gas i loved all of it and uh you know just for zoo hair i absolutely loved that whelmed is coming back stay whelmed of course uh thank you guys so much for doing what you do you do a fantastic job and i can't wait to hear what you think
00:44:33
Speaker
I actually had a feeling that he would be just as shocked with the spine severing scene as I was. So I text him the second it happened. I was like, Oh, shit. You finished the episode. I'm like, No, I'm not even done yet. But yeah, anybody that's even remotely familiar with the killing joke. Yeah, I imagine their jaw hit the floor at that moment. So yeah, I can't get over just the way that she screamed.
00:45:00
Speaker
Yeah, I guess the other big takeaway from his feedback that I picked up on there is just talking about him doing the research to confirm that Ra's al Ghul is no longer the head, which I guess makes sense because the last time we saw him, he got impaled and we don't know exactly how long the Lazarus pit process takes place in this particular continuity.
Leadership and Storytelling in Young Justice
00:45:23
Speaker
But for my purposes, it seems like it's Lady Shiva in Deathstroke. I don't know if there's
00:45:28
Speaker
a third party that they're referring, they're, they're reporting to that might be a representative of the light, but it seems like they both have their like place on the light board. So it's kind of feels weird to say the light board. So Ra's al Ghul got stabbed at the end of season two. And we saw him in season three when he said that he wasn't
00:45:53
Speaker
At the time, I thought he wasn't part of the league of shadows either. I mean, in not to like compare properties too much, but in Judas contract, it was that stroke that took over. So it could be one of those things where like. Deathstroke is leading the league of shadows while being a member of the light, like.
00:46:21
Speaker
Ra's uncle was and Lady Shiva is just the enforcer I could be so I think I'm up with Yeah, I know Deathstroke has made a lot of appearances in a lot of different
00:46:36
Speaker
films and series and comic runs and whatnot. But one thing that I do remember about his character is that he tends to be more of like the mercenary type. So I just always kind of question, you know, initially it made sense for him to work for the light because just like whoever pays him the most. Yeah, I'll work for you. But I
00:46:57
Speaker
him being a leader of the shadows, yes. Him being the sole leadership member in the light. I don't know if that makes as much sense to me, but I don't know. Anything's possible at this point in time. I'm sure we're gonna get a lot of revelations there. It's definitely something they're teasing. Luther could be paying him to do it too. Who knows? Well, that's true. That's fair. Anything else from Andrew's feedback you wanted to?
00:47:25
Speaker
I don't think it's anything we haven't said yet. Okay. Cool. I will always find a reason to razzle him though. We appreciate you, Andrew. All right. So yeah, our next piece of feedback was a last minute piece of feedback from John Irons, AKA Captain Game Show. I encourage everybody, if you haven't checked out the podcast, Captain Game Show, go check that out.
00:47:52
Speaker
It's just a quick little description of it. It's a basically like a game show turned into a podcast. So lots of puns and little wordplay games and improv stuff. Definitely a lot of fun. And I had the opportunity to appear with a couple of other pandas. All right. I know he loves Young Justice and he was excited to provide his thoughts. So here we go. Quick thoughts.
00:48:16
Speaker
Beast Boy being a jerk was entirely his fault. Oh, I guess I should mention that he's bringing up some things from previous episodes we covered. So again, quick thoughts. Beast Boy being a jerk wasn't entirely his fault. He got brain blasted and wasn't in his right mind. Also re-watched that episode volatile. And I think I heard imaginary Brion say something about Gar, excuse me, say something about getting Gar for the secret you both kept.
00:48:44
Speaker
I could be wrong, but there's clearly something up with that kid that he hasn't talked about yet. I'm still holding out hope that Superboy is alive.
00:48:53
Speaker
Wait, hear me out. The Young Justice universe is basically its own timeline, reimagining some events differently than what happened in Justice League or Unlimited. Maybe in this timeline, Superman hasn't been killed by Doomsday yet, so they don't know about the death-like coma of regeneration? And don't forget that we have three people from the future. I don't know who they are and didn't look them up.
00:49:15
Speaker
Hashtag no spoilers. Who can avoid detection and are here in our time for some important yet undefined mission? I think that they came to save him, fingers crossed. Once again, the scene where McGann's mom acknowledged that was her true form was amazing.
00:49:33
Speaker
Agreed, agreed. Okay. And then his next stuff is for the new episode. Do we want to highlight anything there before we move on to his feedback for the new episode? The point about doomsday is interesting, that his body could actually just be chilling in the lava right now. Because they put a lot of emphasis on him not having his full power because he had him in charge by the sun in a bit. So his body could be chilling in the lava and somebody could
00:49:59
Speaker
just need to extract and put them in the sun and let them regenerate. Yeah, it's it's kind of that rule of comics. If you well, I say it's the rule, but the rule doesn't even get followed in the series when it comes to Wally West. But they say if you don't see a body, they're not actually dead. And I mean, while these bodies got kind of like eaten up by the speed force, I guess.
00:50:26
Speaker
So maybe he still exists within the speed force and maybe there's still a potential for him to appear. Maybe if not in season four, maybe even in season five, if that's the thing. Uh, but I do have my own reservations about whether or not super boy is actually dead or not.
00:50:42
Speaker
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me that they brought him back, but it would also be a big move for the him for them to just kill. Sure. We haven't seen that. We haven't had that big of a loss since since Wally. I mean, he's got that statue or like holographic statue right there alongside Wally. But if they do bring him back, I'd wonder how early in the season they choose to do it if they really will let us like dwell on this grief with McGahn. We will we will have to see.
00:51:10
Speaker
Outside of that, I do appreciate the fact that he brings up that like Gar is dealing with things and you guys brought it up when you did the coverage as well. But I just really did appreciate the fact that the show always does a great job without like beating you over the head about it. But it's obviously a show that's geared towards not only a more mature audience, that it's moved to HBO Max, but it still has those messages for a younger audience and
00:51:35
Speaker
advocating for mental health and seeking help and seeking therapy is something that just really spoke to me in addition to the sibling stuff. I grew up with siblings. I know how it is to have older siblings and younger siblings and to feel like that, to just be saying, hey, I was just a kid too. We were all going through it together. They just do it so well and it's so appreciated that they can tackle those things and give people the avenue to actually talk about serious things.
00:52:03
Speaker
Yeah. And when he mentions the, the secret you both kept, like in my head, I went straight to, I think it was Nightwing and McGann that didn't tell him that they knew where Tara was. Um, so it, it just totally skipped my mind that Gar wouldn't have known about that. He was just as upset as Brion was. So yeah, I don't know what they're referring to in that time jump. Yeah. Yeah. We will have to.
00:52:32
Speaker
Wait and see, we have a lot of questions early on in the season. Not a lot of answers, but that seems to be par for the course for a season of Young Justice. And I just agreed, yeah. McGann's mom acknowledging her true form and that her former White Martian form was psychically false. That was
00:52:53
Speaker
really good stuff. And again, like the show has tackled identity and, you know, I'll just say identity for lack of a better description and just like, you know, finding out who your true self is. And even if that defines like normal vocabulary or what have you. So always, always good things.
00:53:11
Speaker
Okay, let's move on to his feedback for the new episode that we just talked about. So he says, okay, new episode. I honestly had no idea which trader was the fake trader and the way they call back the infiltrators from season one and the glamour spell from season two was great. I actually don't think I picked up on the infiltrators being from season one, so definitely a good call out there.
00:53:36
Speaker
trying to do more than just font over the show, but it's so good. The pacing of the series is nearly perfect. They set up mysteries, large and small, and are consistently solving them. Who's the traitor? What happened to Barbara? So things stay satisfying. The audience doesn't get bored or frustrated, and we're so distracted with the new information we've gotten that by the time the payoff, excuse me, by the time they pay off some big mystery they set up eight episodes ago, you've forgotten all about it.
00:54:03
Speaker
I'm probably overthinking this, but since they played the end of the lady of the tiger over the closing credits, it made me wonder if the story is not only applied to what was going on with the shadow defectors, but also somehow what was going on with began and her sister. I really hope there's no deception in her coming to earth, but I guess we'll wait and see.
00:54:23
Speaker
Now that is some food for thought. Cause I didn't bring it up, but I jokingly did make in my notes that Emery is pretty quick to give up her like position as what, like chief science officer or something like that. Like she was reporting directly to the queen. I think he might be onto something there. I thought about like why they would have
00:54:50
Speaker
Tigress's dialogue over that credit scene, like it did seem suspicious.
00:54:59
Speaker
but obviously Barba's screen's just still going through my head, so I didn't think too much on it. It actually made me wonder if it had something to do with like, you know, we'd mentioned Schrodinger before, so it's like, is Superboy alive or is he not alive? Like right now, his body's just in the box. Which one is it? So I kind of went towards that direction, but yeah, there could be something
00:55:27
Speaker
to why her sister is there, especially because, like, did they figure out who Sabotage to boom to? Like, no, and that's the tube. So the character didn't make an appearance in this episode, but they popped up a couple of times in the in one through six. And I can't remember which one specifically, but we had that character that seems to be a time traveler as well. Oh, right, right, right, right, right. I think the opposite is those three time travel time travelers we've seen.
00:55:59
Speaker
Yeah, um, yeah, there could be something there. I mean, I hope she doesn't have any malicious intent because God, McGahn's going through enough as it is, but it was that like Young Justice doesn't do anything just to do it. There's a reason that the dialogue was over that end credit scene. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if Dr. Helen Jace can make the betrayal that she made in the last season,
00:56:27
Speaker
I, it wouldn't surprise me if, if Emery does have some, uh, ulterior motives, I will say, but I hope not. And I'm going to be interested to see how Gar reacts to her arrival. He was like, I thought I finally got away from my, my, you know, the Phantom of my dead surrogate mom, but here you are again.
00:56:51
Speaker
So I looked up which episode that it was as the Infatraters popped in, and apparently that was the first episode that Black Spider came in on. Oh, nice. He wasn't quite as quickly, he was there.
00:57:03
Speaker
It was when Red Arrow was questioning Artemis being on the team and suspecting that she was the mole. But it started off with Red Arrow protecting that doctor and getting her away from the League of Shadows and then going to the team for help. Yes. Yes. I remember that episode quite a bit now. Yeah, because you have the great moment where they're all communicating telepathically and the doctor just kind of like, can you make it stop? Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Good stuff.
00:57:34
Speaker
I think that's all the feedback that we've got now, right?
00:57:39
Speaker
I believe that's all of it. Okay. All right. So clocking in at right around an hour for a single episode of Young Justice with plenty of feedback seems about right. So I will say, you know, I encourage you to check out our backlog of all the great shows that we've covered while we're waiting week to week for Young Justice. We'll take little avenues here and there to do some additional coverage. I know I need to reconvene with Brian V. Klein about
00:58:07
Speaker
when we're going to do the Cowboy Bebop primer for the live action Netflix adaptation that's coming out really soon. But I already teased Hit Monkey. And yeah, just check out all the great things Stranded Panda is doing. StrandedPanda.com, you'll find the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast, the Star Trek Universe podcast, superhero ethics source pages, which we've mentioned. Lots of great shows there. Anything you want to plug?
00:58:32
Speaker
I think we got everything. We are doing Young Justice every week until December 30th, because that'll be the last episode for the first half and then they come back in the spring. So make sure we record on Thursdays after we see it. So send in your feedback and we'll read it off. Even if it's something that goes by, we'll be sure to catch it on the episode afterwards. Aside from that, now we can share my story of when I was obnoxious. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's what you got.
00:59:02
Speaker
So me and my sister went me my mom and my sister went to visit Pakistan for the first time in 2015 and We went to the movie theater at first off. We were really thrown off by the fact that They like you have to stand up for the national anthem in Pakistan before the movie starts Wow, so like you go through all the you go through all the trailers and we're just like sitting there like you know popcorn in our lab drinks in our hands like
00:59:29
Speaker
Do we really have to stand up for this? And every once in a while we're like, oh crap. So we're being totally obnoxious and fiddly trying to get up and do this. Very disrespectful of us. But nobody warned us either. We're there with our family. And then it weren't like, hey, by the way, this is a thing. I guess I thought in the states that we did.
00:59:48
Speaker
No, we are not that patriotic, apparently. So I stood up for that, sat back down, Bollywood movie starts, and then I realized, oh, we're in Pakistan. We don't need subtitles in a movie theater. And I was like, oh, no, I'm screwed. Like I'm decent at Urdu, but not enough to like really keep up with the movie. Oh, sure. And this movie, Bajiro Mastani was like, like,
01:00:18
Speaker
Like it was a wartime movie where they were still using swords. And like, it was very village, villagey, right? Okay. So we're going through this opening dialogue comes in and I'm just sitting there so confused because I don't understand a word they're saying. My sister who's better than me, I'm not sure. And I'm like, what's going on? She was like, I don't know. I was hoping you understood. And I was like,
01:00:43
Speaker
No, there's no subtitles. I don't know what's happening because not only was the Hindi really hard for me to track, but it's like Shakespearean Hindi to like match the time frame of the movie. It's like the Mughal Empire. So I'm like, oh, no.
01:00:59
Speaker
This is like a three-hour movie. There was an intermission in the middle of it. He and my sister are just like, let's just make up dialogue. We're reading the room and I'm voicing the people, translating what they're saying, but it's just not related to what's actually happening at all. That's great. We are just cackling in the middle of these really intense scenes. My uncle's like, somebody just died. What are you laughing at?
01:01:26
Speaker
I was like, I don't know what's happening. I'm just making up the dialogue. So then he just starts perching a zero over two because he's bored with the movie. So he's more intrigued with what we're doing. We're just laughing and laughing and laughing when the intermission comes over. We turn around because my mom and my grandpa and everybody are sitting behind us and they just have the most pissed off looks like.
01:01:46
Speaker
what is wrong with you guys. Why you so loud? I just don't get it. Just really doesn't make any sense to me. I'm sorry. Yeah, so that is definitely the most obnoxious I've ever felt in one because I needed to kill three hours of my life. In the great scheme of things, I think yours was much more innocent than Aaron or mine.
01:02:11
Speaker
Yeah, I treasure the movie experience. Of course. Too much to like be obnoxious, but I was just one of those things where I was like, I got to make the most out of this because I don't know what they're saying. Yeah, I get it. I have not been in quite the same experience, but yeah, good. I think like it's not sure what's that.
01:02:34
Speaker
Follywood movies are not sure. OK, I was going to say the closest thing to that I've probably experienced is I remember growing up when I'd visit my grandparents, I'd go to a church with them. And for whatever reason, the age cut off for Sunday school was like super young. So my two younger siblings were able to go to like Sunday school and I would have to sit through the service with my grandparents. And it was so incredibly boring.
01:03:03
Speaker
OK, we are off the rails. And but this was a fun episode. Always a pleasure to discuss some young justice. Thanks again to everybody that submitted some feedback. Continue to do so. You can do that at animation deliberation podcast at gmail.com or at our various social medias. We've got the Instagram up and running the Twitter. The Facebook page is up and running as well. So hit up all those places. That's all for me this week. So I will say. Keep tuning in. That's T double in.
01:03:32
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right here in your neighborhood. Here's a little tale about hard to recycle plastics. Their destinies were changed. Their new lives are fantastic. What once was trash can live on as new things with a program that complements irregular recycling. Because plastics can be so much more. Give this trash a second chance
01:05:48
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Your hard to recycle plastics can be so much more. Participate in the hefty energy bag program happening in your neighborhood today.