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OPE Season 3 Episode 37 From Fresh to Moldy: Analyzing the Packers’ Loss to the Vikings
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! on this episode we take at the fresh stale and moldy takes of the disappointing loss to the Minnesota Vikings.
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Intro
Introduction to Ohana Packers Edition Podcast
00:00:20
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ohana Packers Edition podcast, the podcast where Iowa, Joe and I, unlike the Packers, are putting in our best effort on week 17 reviewing this game. But Joe, that was about as wet fart of a game as we've seen from this
Packers' Disappointing Game Analysis
00:00:35
Speaker
team all season. I know that they kind of made it exciting at the end, but I mean,
00:00:42
Speaker
sort of a repeat and we'll go into this when we get into our points but it's really a repeat of each one of their losses this season where they just haven't been ready to go at the at the opening snap for a game against one of their better competition and all of their bad mistakes and worst traits came to the forefront but yeah like it was disappointing how it ended i liked how they fought at the end but how'd you feel about this game It was basically the same game as we, whatever it was for, is that yeah when that's played for, it was basically a repeat of that whole game. You know, they look like crap going into halftime and coming out of halftime, they have a little bit of life and then it just kind of puttered out. So ah ah just kind of playing.
00:01:36
Speaker
mind reader here. I don't think we're going to have a lot of fresh takes this week.
Injury Concerns for Wyatt and Anderson
00:01:40
Speaker
no
00:01:43
Speaker
But just off the bat, so the biggest news coming out of this game is well, two things. So first one from an injury standpoint, Devontae Wyatt suffered a concussion and it looked like Adrian Cooper had some kind of ankle or foot or shin injury late. That play where it kind of looked like maybe they had forced the fumble, but then he like didn didn't go for the ball. Then you saw afterward, he's grabbing at his foot. But I don't think he or LeFlore commented on it after the game. So you just hope he's okay. Otherwise, I think the Packers got out of this one pretty. Oh, and Zane Anderson got concussed on like the first kick return or kick coverage. Yeah, that was nasty. I know. That was really unfortunate. though That's one of those you'd really hate to see that.
00:02:29
Speaker
i know we've had I know we haven't been the, yeah because and we're not the biggest Zane Anderson fans. But you have really whole piece again yeah, no, you don't want to see a guy crumple like that on impact. That's just never the thing you want to see. So we really hope Zane's okay. didn't see the play. Devontae got his bell rung on, but you hope he's all right. And, just adds injury to insult coming out of this one, but yeah, I can't remember exactly, but I, I seem to re You know, this old age just kicking my ass for my memories and not the greatest of the more, but I seem to remember a play that I think it was like a run play and why it was on the ground. And then when he got up, he was kind of stumbling, but he ended up playing that next snap and then went out.
00:03:18
Speaker
Uh, and then you you never saw him after that. So I want to say that's what I saw So if anybody knows any bit different than they can let us know but i'm pretty sure that's what I saw And if that is the case, that's really disappointing because that's the whole point of the fucking third party observer like they're supposed to Spot that kind of stuff and and i've seen them stop games for less than that. So that is the case.
Romeo's Performance as a Key Receiver
00:03:41
Speaker
That's disappointing but like you said let's see let's see if we can scrape together one fresh thought between the two of us i gotta hit the button don't i fresh cheese
00:03:56
Speaker
You know, I got to say Romeo stepped up. You know, I've said all year that Romeo has seemed to be loves, you know, well, even going back to last year, Romeo seemed to be Jordan's safety valve. So when things kind of fall apart, he's always looking for Romeo. but Seven catches on 11 targets, 58 yards, no, no tuts and a long of 18 and You know, he's he's he was fighting for yards. So you got to live what you see out of Romeo. I, you know, going back to that draft, I have to say Romeo was probably my favorite wide receiver out of the group. I mean, obviously Christian was the most exciting, but Romeo was the.
00:04:46
Speaker
How do I want to say? And in my eyes, Romeo was the prototypical packer wide receiver. He was solid as a ah athletic guy, but he was the blue collar blue chip type of wide receiver that he's jack of all trades. You know, he he wasn't good. He wasn't great at one thing, but he was good at everything.
00:05:10
Speaker
And, you know, we're really seeing that it's going to be a really hard decision. What is it at the end of next year when it comes time for contracts? You know, are they going to keep both Watson and Dobbs? Are they going to you know let one walk and keep the other? That's going to be a super hard decision. Somebody, you know, a lot of fans are going to be upset about it at one point at some point, because I honestly don't know if they're going to be contract wise. They are. I mean, salary cap wise, they should be able to keep both.
00:05:38
Speaker
But realistically, are they going to keep both?
Salary Cap Debate: Watson and Dobbs
00:05:42
Speaker
You know, that's going to that's going to be the thing. So, yeah, my first one's got to be Romeo because he seemed to be the only wide receiver. Well, I won't say that because the rest of guys, I don't think there was a. We'll get into it later on, but I think out of Romeo, he he rose to the top of things.
00:06:01
Speaker
Yeah, like no drops. on His missed targets were just misthrows, not anything where he like blew it or anything like that. i've you and I have both kind of gone on how we think that Romeo is the guy who does the most like traditional wide receiver things and allows Watson to be a deep threat and play off of his deep speed and allows Jaden Reed, who I think we'll both get into later in this show, allows Jaden Reed to be really a, you know, he's a big play threat, but it's more as like a gadget secondary like
00:06:37
Speaker
kind of like almost like a a magic trick you know like the you know the student body left and oh there goes jaden going right kind of thing and stuff so And I know he's had his, you know, he had the one game thing this year and he's had a couple unfortunate drops and stuff in certain points and had the concussion. But realistically, Dobbs has been the most consistent guy when it's a crucial down and distance situation that when love goes to him, he's the guy that has come through. And just going to the contract stuff, like,
00:07:10
Speaker
Like you said, we're a year out from really having to worry about this stuff. But I'll say it again that Dobbs is the one that you could, I think most realistically, get to sign an extension with this offseason because and my reasoning for that is.
00:07:25
Speaker
He's the guy that, like you said, he's not the big play guy. He's not the sexy athlete or you know the the explosive athlete or the super you know sexy statistical guy. But he's the guy that you're like, OK, Romeo, we're going to reward you for what you've done throughout your three years, the chemistry you've built with Jordan.
00:07:44
Speaker
you know they won't say it but you know they're not going to give him like a top of the market deal or anything like that but it'll be a quote unquote fair deal that you know gives him security moving forward and gives the team security that like you know this is a guy who hasn't really missed games in his career and that's a big thing for the Packers moving forward The only thing that I'll say is what really is going to hurt the wide receivers is the what was it two years ago with the the Christian Kirk and those type of guys getting the the massive contracts. Yeah. So that's going to be the jumping point when it comes to these guys, when it comes to the contractors. So like I said, buy the salary cap.
00:08:27
Speaker
There should be no issues with bringing both of them back. But realistically, are they going to want to pay those guys, you know, the type of money that they're going to, you know, if the Christian Kirk and that type of wide receiver is setting the the bar for it? and And that's the only reason why if you had if I had to pick between the two those two 2022 draft picks, I'd pick Dobbs to sign an extension this offseason because he's the guy you get. Watson is going to bet on himself. He'd be stupid not to bet on himself and say like, no, I haven't had that year because of injuries, because of this, and then you know because of
00:09:05
Speaker
injuries last year and then this year it was loves injury and all that kind of stuff so know there's a you know what is he like back to the bi-week he has like 450 yards on 20 catches or something like that so it and he seems to have gotten the hamstring issues figured out you know this is a different one and you know it's not great that he has a track record that he does but if they really did figure out the soft tissue issues the soft tissue injuries which it seems like they did That's the reason why I have him saying like, no, I'm gonna hold on, play out 2025 and you know get a deal at the end of that season as a free agent. Whether it's you know the thing Green Bay does where they sign a guy like with two weeks to go in the regular season or you go to actual free agency and re-sign him or he gets a big deal somewhere else. So that's the only reason I've got it that way. But like you said, those are problems for future Joe and future Mike to talk about.
Team's Effort to Recover
00:10:00
Speaker
but
00:10:01
Speaker
I agree. like You have to like the the fight that Dab showed. hope he's okay. I think he did go back in the game afterward, but he kind of got dinged up on that one last reception he had where it kind of looked like, or no not the reception, but when he tried to die for that that throw up the sideline from love.
00:10:18
Speaker
but Yeah it's not the most efficient game but he had a couple plays where he got chopped down for like a couple yard gain by just some really nice defensive play so it wasn't really his fault but for the most part caught stuff that was coming his way and did the thing so my my fresh that I'm really scraping the bottom of the barrel for is kind of in in line with Dobbs and it's that you know this team didn't do shit for the most part for the first two and a half quarters of this game but
00:10:53
Speaker
And I know a lot of people outside of the room are going to say like, oh, it was fake hustle or it was, you know, prevent defense or whatever kind of thing. But I don't buy that shit at this point because of what Minnesota was playing for today and next week. there The number one overall seed in the NFC is on the line for them. So I don't buy for a second that you can say like they took their foot off the guy. If anything,
00:11:20
Speaker
The whole reason that Valentine is even in position to get that interception is because Minnesota is like, no, we're going to stop the lights out on them. We're going to keep throwing and you know damned if we do, damned if you don't kind of thing. And you know credit to Carrington, credit to Carl book Brooks for bailing Carrington out on that place. and saving him from giving the ball right back. But it was still a really good play via Valentine. It was almost the same as his interception against Seattle. Great hustle by Karl Brooks. Like we said, the effort to get back in this game, get it within two-point, the irony that it was, again, a two-point defeat you couldn't get the ball back at the end of the game. but
00:12:04
Speaker
You know, that's one thing. And I know some will say like, Oh, he's not, you know, converting the opportunities to cup for comeback wins, but there's a different, there's a, it's a lot of people are going to not be happy with me saying this, but there's a discernible difference between.
00:12:20
Speaker
a Jordan love team getting down early and a Rogers team getting down early where it's like with Rogers you would just look at his eyes and like when they would when the camera would pan on him whether he's on the sideline or when he's in the huddle and he just had his own version of a deer in the headlights look and you're like okay like he's toast like he he's doesn't got it and all he's gonna do is dig deeper into his worst habits of like holding the ball like just throwing it away and like avoiding interceptions and all that kind of crap whereas with love it's like yeah sure it's not pretty it's not gonna be aesthetically pleasing but he's just gonna fire away and you know sometimes he's got enough bullets in the gun and sometimes he doesn't and today just didn't quite have enough
00:13:07
Speaker
ammo in his back pocket but I do think that's where this team you know for the most part teams go to the beat of their quarterback their leader and you do see that feistiness and you just wish you saw it earlier in the game but like it deserves some praise that they just did it roll over and die when they easily could have at this point at a certain point in the game Well, to start the game, it looked like the defense was going to be, you know, like it had been, you know, like the last few games wasn't a fluke by any means. But I really think, and you know, I know we keep saying this, but we'll get into it a little bit later.
00:13:49
Speaker
But with the offense not doing ah ah holding up their end of the job, the defense just kept getting tired because they had to keep running back out there. They had to keep running back out there.
00:14:03
Speaker
Now that doesn't excuse everything. Cause like I said, we'll we'll get into a lot more of this later, but you know, it did seem like the only two players of, well, I'll add a third one in there when it, after I say that, or when I put my next fresh in, but the only, uh, the only couple of players that seemed like they really showed up for the whole game was Carrington and Carl Brooks, you know, you know, Carl had.
00:14:31
Speaker
a pass defense, he had a tackle for loss, he had a QB hit, he had a sack, he had three total tackles and he had that heads up play covering but yeah that recovery and then, you know,
00:14:48
Speaker
Carrington, a couple tackles, a couple, or he had a pass defense and then obviously the interception. Although it looked like he could have took it all the way if he would have just paid attention a little bit more. But then again, you question it because it had he got a little bit further down there, would Carl have been there to be able to bail his ass out if he fumbled. But anyway, that's a hindsight 2020 type thing. But, you know, it's really great to see Carrington really step up Who would have thought last year in the draft, taking this kid in the seventh round, we'd be talking about him as the number two guy on the team behind Jair. But when, when Jair's not out there, the number one guy on the team.
00:15:33
Speaker
you know, I love the kid coming out. Um, I wish we would have got his running mate from college, uh, uh, Phillips, but he ended up in with the giants. And as far as I know, he was playing pretty well with the giants there for awhile. but yeah, you know, Carrington and Carl, Oh, I didn't grab it. I did get my, my picture back from, um, um, uh, walk, walk a Shaw sports cards.
00:16:03
Speaker
my my crack dealer of choice of the blocked field goal ah ah against Chicago. So maybe that brought in some good luck for Carl Brooks and you know he signed it and then I had him put just the tip on as ah ah an inscription. So maybe that that brought him some luck that I got that in. But yeah, those there's three guys, well, four guys, but three that i'll that I can talk about freely.
00:16:32
Speaker
Cooper's the other one that showed up, but the other guy that's probably not going to get a lot of talk about probably is not going to get a lot of praise. If anything, he's going to get a lot of hate. And I don't think it's deserved. I think people are just basing it off the defense as a whole and something we'll talk about later. And that's Eric Stokes. I thought he played well. You know, obviously he's not playing superstar well, but he's playing well enough to be a starter. I can't think of any off the top of my head where he was the one that gave up anything. There are a few moments and I pointed it out on on Blue Sky that, you know, it wasn't his fault. It was the scheme where, again, it's a a soft cover zone. You have three guys in the area.
00:17:29
Speaker
big catches made three guys in the, you know, five yards off and Stokes ends up being one of them. So instead of, you know, these guys going after these people going after like like Xavier McKinney for not being there or, you know, one of the others, they're going to pick on Stokes because he's the easiest target because of the struggles he's had in the past. But overall, I think Stokes played well. and And then, you know, so those four guys right there are the main ones that seem to want to play this full game.
00:18:04
Speaker
Yep. So I don't got much more than that.
Jaden Reed's Missed Opportunities
00:18:07
Speaker
Let's, you good? good to move on I mean, you can throw in Jacobs in there. That's gotta be a week to week thing just because, you know, he's basically been this offense for so long. So yeah, you can throw Josh Jacobs under in the fresh pile, but yep. So I'm good if you're good.
00:18:32
Speaker
I wish that was a little bit better. Not at all. Stale wise, there's there's probably going to be more in the moldy because of this. Yeah. But stale wise. I'm going to throw.
00:18:54
Speaker
Let's throw Jaden in the stale. you know He could easily put it in the moldy for this week, but we'll we'll put it I'll put him in the stale for this week just because I can't blame everything on him. Obviously, some of the throws that were made towards him weren't the best throws.
00:19:18
Speaker
But what is the thing that they say about receivers in the NFL? If it hits you in the hands, you need to come down with it. And at least twice, it hit him in the hands, and he didn't come down with it. Yes, the type of catch it was, you know they were you know a lot of diving attempts or kind of, but it still hit him in the hands. And by all things, hits in the hands, you're supposed to come down with it, and he didn't.
00:19:47
Speaker
And let me just put this on top of it and he would have gone in my moldy pile for one other reason, but if this is your supposed wide receiver one that a lot of Packers fans trumpet around,
00:19:59
Speaker
catch the fucking ball like, and I tweeted it and I put, I think, I can't remember if I skied it or tweeted it but the reason his drops don't get highlighted as much as Wicks or Watson's in the past or even some of Dobbs early this season is he makes enough big splashy plays and you know he's still like, Packer's friends are still in the honeymoon phase because while he is their like leading receiver, he still doesn't get the target share that a lot of people think he should. But honestly, it's games like today that prove that like, like I said, he's really he's a really good player. But that's why I view him as more of a gadget player than like a true bonafide number one target because
00:20:40
Speaker
Yes, he has the explosives. He has some really flashy highlights this season. The touchdown against the Eagles in week one. The big pass play against the Rams in week five. You know, there's a lot of other ones. But he also has some mind-numbing drops that have just killed the offensive rhythm. The fourth down drop today. Was it low? Sure. Is the number one riders receiver supposed to catch that? Every fucking time. He had the other one where people were saying like, oh, it should have been DPI. Catch the ball. like you know like save yourself the trouble i just catch the fucking ball
00:21:15
Speaker
certain people were commenting on like, oh, what's the difference between Addison and Reed and blah, blah, blah and all that kind of stuff. It's like, well, according to what I saw today, Jordan Addison caught six of eight today. So that's a seventy five percent. And one of them was like way over his head. So uncatchable. And I think the other one was like, oh, the other one was the the one that Nixon Kishan made the nice play to break it out of his hands at the end zone. and So Okay, like, maybe he had one he could have brought in. Reed had two that he just flat out dropped. And like I said, this is a pattern that not a lot of people want to talk falls down against the Seahawks a couple weeks ago and loses a drive there has a pretty
00:21:59
Speaker
meh drop against the Lions that wouldn't have converted, but did, you know, it created a third in long when it could have been like third in two or something. I think he had the one against the Colts. It was in the beginning of the season where he just flat out drops a third down conversion. That was an easy throw from Willis. And then the first Vikings game, he has that bad drop at the end of the half where it would have been a big play to get the offense moving and Like I said, it's stale in this sense where he makes enough really good plays that it offsets his bad plays. But if this team is going to go anywhere and if he wants to elevate himself, and you know, a lot of people are like, he's the for sure re-sign guy. I'm like, one, he's got to stay healthy. He, you know, he's been healthy this year, but he gets dinged up a lot. And two, he's got to be more consistent overall, like,
00:22:51
Speaker
You know, he's like at 53 receptions out of 73 targets, which is not bad, but it should be better. He's got a lot of easy ones. You know, we talked about a lot of the ones on like those quick swing plays where it's like, he like looks upset that he didn't get the ball, but it's like, you should have caught it and stuff. and But the one that tipped it for me and would have put him in the moldy is, I asked the question again, if you're going to fair catch every punt when you have double team blockers in front of you,
00:23:20
Speaker
put Kishant, put any fucking one else back there. you it He's done that like five times this season in do or die moments. And I know the Packers ended up going down the field and scoring the touchdown to make it 25-27 at that point. But like, you could hear Burkhardt's jaw hit the floor when he waved for the fair catch because Burkhardt kind of bites his tongue and does the like, he had room.
00:23:45
Speaker
Well, they both did him and Brady did. But to go back to something that you said, you know, a lot of people aren't going to jump on it and whatever because of, you know, it goes back to what I said about Eric Stokes. You know, they're going to see the plays like, OK, well, you know, one of the catches for Addison, there were three guys or not Addison Naylor. There were three guys around him, but they were playing soft coverage. Nobody was on him. He was wide friggin open.
00:24:14
Speaker
But they're not going to go after Xavier McKinney for it. They're not going to go after, I can't think of who the other was a Kishon that was in there with them. They're going to go after the guy that quote unquote makes all the mistakes and Eric Stokes, when actually he's not the one in the mistakes. And the same thing is the reverse with Jane Reed. You know, they're not going to go after him right now because of all the quote unquote good things he's done so far this season when he does something dumb. So it's, it's fickle fans. Yeah.
00:24:49
Speaker
I'm not talking about badgers fickle. I'm talking about fickle.
00:24:55
Speaker
So that's a good one. My stale one is just going to be just one of the things that we talked about a lot at the beginning
Costly Mistakes Against Top Teams
00:25:03
Speaker
of the season is the mistakes that this team makes in the they've They've curtailed them recently toward you know as they went on, you know what is it, five of seven wins or whatever, or sixes, eight wins, five of seven, or yeah, whatever it is out of the by. They're doing better, but that's the thing is when they've played good teams, the really good teams, their five losses, all of their mistakes have been amplified because an average to bad team can't take advantage of mistakes, you know whether it's a tipped pass,
00:25:39
Speaker
but josh jacobs fumble you know you know we can talk all about how bad the offsides call on the field goal was i know that'll go in the moldy but again just any sort of mistake and the packers just the their opponent when they played the vikings twice the lions twice and the eagles their opponent has taken advantage of every single one of them so like i said they're not all in the packers control but You can't fumble on your opening drive when you have momentum going. You can't drop the ball on fourth down when it's a, you know, the floor calls a really great play. Love makes it, makes a really good throw. And you drop a, like we said, not picture perfect pass, but it's a damn good pass and it should be an easy conversion. And it, it's just the things that you can't do in a game that, you know,
00:26:35
Speaker
And like we said, going into it, the Vikings have so much more to play for than the Packers did and all that kind of stuff, but that game... Well, I kind of disagree with you on that point. You've said that a couple times, and I kind of disagree with you on that point because the Packers are still playing for seeding. I know it's not necessarily, oh, well, they'll get the number one seed, but You know, there's a difference between seventh, sixth and fifth seed. They could have easily slotted into the fifth seed had they won this game. And, you know, who knows, maybe they could even went to fourth seed by winning out the next two games. But now losing this game.
00:27:18
Speaker
You know, they're, the top that they're going to get is the sixth seed. And I, you know, so I, I, I get what you, what you're saying that, yeah, they've already clinched their playoff berth and there's, it's nothing major, but it, you know, it didn't mean something if they would have won. yeah That's fair. hi Just the way they played today, the way that they kind of came into this game, this and this was going to be my other still one, so I'll just say it now, they just didn't look super engaged to start that. And I think that led into some of the mistakes, led into some of the still you know so poor execution early in the first half and stuff. and
00:28:00
Speaker
They just felt like they were kind of on autopilot coming into this one. And it was disappointing because like you said, from a fan perspective, I agree with you. There was a lot for them to play for in terms of you know maneuvering around you know their they're five, six, seven seating. They looked like a team that was like, we're in, we're nursing some injuries, so let's just play this game. Maybe we'll catch lightning in a bottle and win it and stuff. and But we don't really care who we feel. I know that it you can't draw all those conclusions, but it very much felt like
00:28:30
Speaker
that's what they're saying and even some of the post-game stuff either it's kind of like the the tone was oh well it was disappointing but know we just want to get some momentum next week so we're ready for the playoffs and it's like oh like okay like maybe it's not totally what you guys were thinking but i kind of have a feeling of where your guys heads were at and you know it kind of showed with how you guys came out for this game and It's mostly disappointing that, like you said earlier in this episode, this game played out almost the same as the first Vikings game. But instead of the three love interceptions, it was the Jacobs fumble, the dropped fourth down pass, and just stale offense the rest of the first half.
00:29:13
Speaker
And you get down in a whole, you know, you're down 20 to three, 27 to 10. And, you know, it's, you know, you, you almost come back. Like I said, I liked the fight at the end, but it's like, I wish you had that intensity to start the game. For sure.
00:29:29
Speaker
and I thought the same thing that they they just really seemed off today. And it just, I don't know what it was. So I'll just kind of go into my still, I've got a couple that easily could be moldies but because of past experience and I'm going to the main one is the Jacob's fumble because it's a more really weird than you know it I mean I can fully understand if you want to put it in moldy and that could you know we could slant into a slide into moldy with it but it just it was really weird because it wasn't punched out
00:30:14
Speaker
is you know he wasn't It wasn't like the Seattle or even the Colts one where he like was holding the ball. I know Brady said it was loose, but it wasn't like it was flailing out away from him. That was you know that was a defense gets paid to play football to kind of wanted it. Like I said, that's why.
00:30:32
Speaker
I agree with you. I had it more in my scale. It was more the like, that happened, you dropped the fourth down pass, all that kind of stuff. And it is just becomes an item in the list of things you miss made mistakes on. But it's like, right yeah, it's like, ah it's one of those where it's like, what do you want Jacobs to just go down on first contact and like not be up to get.
00:30:52
Speaker
so And so, yeah, I agree with you. Well, even then, if you look at it, he wasn't doing anything more than he normally does. He was going down. It just somehow the ball. It's it's because ah ah it's it's because the one guy who was tackling him was a defensive lineman and the way he punched over the top. Like, like I said.
00:31:14
Speaker
I know Brady made the comment and Brady was not good today, but Brady made the comment like, oh, it's a little loose. But it was more just unfortunate circumstance and like the one guy who really could have made that play made it. And it it was one of those were just kind of like, oh, like, is it going to be one of those games kind of days and stuff? So yeah the thing that could make it moldy is it seems like the offense just went south from there for the rest of the year.
00:31:44
Speaker
So yeah, that's yeah. And that's something that I completely forgot what my other still was. So go ahead. That's hopefully you'll figure it out. You'll remember it here. But that's something that I saw Dusty point out on on Blue Sky where he said, like, they've done a really great job establishing the run the past month, but It's almost to the detriment of the past game where they're so focused on getting the run going that they don't get love in a rhythm. And it's like, it's that whole, it's a delicate balance. Like obviously to establish the run, you have to run the ball, but also you have a quarterback who runs a little hot and cold at times, you know, like love isn't the most precise passer and stuff, but
00:32:31
Speaker
Yeah, like you could kind of just tell like they were searching for it after that fumble and That's why I didn't have too much of a problem with kicking the first field goal because you had struggled so hard to get down into scoring range that I thought you had to come away with, you had to guarantee you came away with points at that point because you had fumbled, you had had the three and out after you forced the first punt by the the by the Vikings and then you got them to miss, you know, short the 57-yard field goal. And so you couldn't come out of that
00:33:07
Speaker
you know, if you count our drives and there you couldn't come out of that five total drives with no points. And I know some people were like, oh, but you went for it later. But I'm like, you're on the road. You're the underdog. You're playing short handed. And it's like you've got to put points on the board and keep some semblance of momentum. It didn't work. That's just kind of what this game went. But I didn't really have a problem with kicking the field goal there.
00:33:35
Speaker
No. And the other thing about the fumble is I, and I put this out on blue sky also. This is unusual for Josh Jacobs. Yeah. This fumble right today for against the Vikings is his fourth of the season. That's a career high. His other career high was three, and he's done that a few different times in his career. So it.
00:34:02
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you know that that's another reason why i put it more as a stale than a moldy is because this isn't typical for him but i i did remember my other stale and this is another one that can could slot into moldy but i i give him a pass because of past performance and that's the offensive line they just they were getting beat up they were holding a holding up a little bit but they still allowed eight qb pressures and three sacks And the run game, while did OK, wasn't up to normal procedures. I know Flores does a lot of exotic looks and rushes a a lot of different things, but, you know, they they just they did not do what they needed to do today. Yeah, what I saw and what factored into it is the Vikings were keying in on Myers, how he snaps the ball after, you know, he
00:35:01
Speaker
takes his peak under the hood to look at Jordan. And what he's got to do, well, it's ah it's a two-part, or three-stage, two-stage, depending on how you view LeFlore calling the play and Jordan getting in out of the huddle. But they've got to speed that side of it up so that Myers can kind of screw around with the silent count where instead of every time where it's like once he you know Goes from leading to sitting back down to getting rid sometimes he holds for us count instead of snapping it immediately because early in the game the Vikings were like when he sits down he's snapping the ball and They were they they had a couple where
00:35:38
Speaker
Tom, Ryan and Rashid got pushed back into love because like, you know, they're they're playing catch up because they're the Vikings are just shooting off the ball and they're they're just catching the defender instead of blocking, you know, meeting him at the pony of the attack. So that's one where it's like you need more efficient operation, getting the play in, getting out of the huddle and through the line of scrimmage. And then, and then like I said, you know, you set your protections and all that kind of stuff. And then your,
00:36:06
Speaker
giving Myers the ready for the snap with like three to five seconds instead of two or less where it's like, Oh shit. Oh shit. Like I need the ball now kind of thing and stuff. So, yeah, but I put that all on, you know, I understand they have to do a lot of different things to disguise what they're calling because you can't just go out there and say, all right, you're going to run a, uh, uh, Oh, give me a play off the top of your head. Go out and run an out route.
00:36:33
Speaker
You know, you can't do that. You have to go through and disguise it otherwise. But that's been a problem even with the McCarthy and Rogers. air Yeah. Where it seems like the play calls are so long, it takes them forever to do it in the huddle that, you know, I know they've they've worked on a little bit to where they're not burning as many timeouts in like the first five minutes or whatever.
00:37:01
Speaker
But, you know, that is kind of a hindrance because like you said, you know, the offensive line still needs time to make its checks and make it, yeah you know, disguise a lot of things. So, yeah. So that's what I've got for. Yeah.
00:37:17
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yeah
00:37:19
Speaker
Where do you want to start with this one? I think I'm going to go with one of the low hanging fruits and I'm going to go Jordan.
00:37:32
Speaker
Yes, we just talked about how the offensive line was not holding up well, but some of the decisionma c was making or decisions he was making, some of the throws he was making, that was not what we had come to know of Jordan Love the last few weeks.
00:37:51
Speaker
This looked a lot like that first week four game when he was initially, you know, he was still coming back from injury because some balls were too low, some were too high, some were way off the mark.
00:38:05
Speaker
And then I, I called it out on blue sky. Why are we doing this hero ball stuff? You know, they were only down like three points and he's out here trying to gain 20 yards on a third, you know, a first in a first and 10 or a second and eight. He's trying to gain these frigging massive yards. And it's like, I understand that if it's open,
00:38:31
Speaker
But a lot of these throws you're making aren't open. Even dumbass Brady and and what's his face called it out on a couple of them where, you know, he threw it in over way over the top of everything and it was in triple coverage or in double coverage. And it's like, we don't need that, you know.
00:38:53
Speaker
hit your lower targets run and like I said on on blue sky I don't know if that's because of the calls that were being you know sent in from the floor I don't know if that was just Jordan hoping something would happen but I got to put it on Jordan a little bit because 19 of 30 for 185 yards and one TD That's not good. And, yeah you know, the coach ah can't be the one out there throwing the ball for you or making the on the field decisions for you. You are the ones doing that stuff.
00:39:30
Speaker
yeah and so i agree with you like it wasn't a good game from jordan i i veered more towards stale than moldy on this one i agreed the two points in the game the two inflection points where it really felt like i was also thinking like what's the game plan here was the second drive where they went three and out after they forced the first minnesota punt And even that one Wix has to catch that one. I forget if it was the second down one or the third down one. I think it was the second down ball. You can't drop that one. like was Again, it wasn't a great throw, but you got to catch that ball. And he was four for five, but that one that one miss was a drop in my book. And then the other one was the play after the erroneous illegal formation that was called on Wix in the two-minute drill. And then
00:40:18
Speaker
So my moldy goes more towards, instead of just Jordan, I didn't care for Lafleur's game call in the first half because, and really, I think over the whole game, you only saw like two screens called, which is kind of suicidal against this defense, especially with how aggressive they were playing. And that second drive,
00:40:41
Speaker
I didn't understand why LeFlore was looking, especially, like I said, with how they're trying to establish the run this for these out of the you know out of the buy, but also like out of the buy, not only have they been establishing the run, but they've also been going with like a quicker hitting pass game. And for that second drive, for whatever reason, they like threw the kitchen sink out, like not at the Vikings, but they threw it out the back window. And then, like I said, that that play on the third down after it got called back for the illegal formation,
00:41:11
Speaker
I know a lot of people are like, why do you throw it deep to melt in? But that route was horrible. it It was like a partial mesh route, but everybody stopped. And it was man. And it was like, OK. And I think Jordan just kind of said, like nothing's open short, so fuck it. And like and and and I agree with you, like that can't be the end result. But also, I understand, because just at the look of how that play developed, I'm like,
00:41:39
Speaker
No one's there. like it's supposed to be That one was supposed to be a decently you know quick to intermediate hitting route, and nothing's there. So I wasn't too thrilled with what Lafleur did. I think he got a little shell shocked after the Jacobs fumble and was like, oh, like instead of turning around and handing it right back to him, he's like, nah, let's like let him collect himself. and But we I feel like, like you said,
00:42:03
Speaker
Jacobs doesn't fumble that much for a guy who touches the ball as often as he does. And I know you can't really differ. But as a run as a runner, he's fumbled. This is the most he's fumbled. And all four of his fumbles have come as a runner this season. The seasons where he's had three, only two have come on running play rushing plays. The other ones have come on the third. And each of those other two seasons has come on like a passing play. so I didn't understand that second drive, especially so deep in your own territory, like run the ball. Don't not saying run, run, pass your way into a punt or anything like that. But like get Jacobs going again. He was chewing up the Vikings on that first drive. And like you said, it was an unfortunate play. So, yeah, I wasn't too thrilled with the first half play calling.
00:42:52
Speaker
and all in or You've got momentum because your defense just had a huge stock. And then for them to come out and just three, you know, straight deep passes off that on that drive that amounted to nothing. I just I didn't get it. And like I said, I'm not putting it all on Jordan. Yeah, no,
Jordan Love's Inconsistency
00:43:13
Speaker
no, no. But a lot of it is on Jordan because of the fact that he's out on the field and he's making and and it's just And it we're grading him hard because we expect a lot out from him. He's been playing so well. And I know it's hard to play at that level for that long. you know like That's why the Run the Table Rogers season was so special. And even last year, Toyotathon hit its bumps in the road. You know you had the Giants and the Bucks game in there that just was like, what the hell was that in the middle of it? but
00:43:46
Speaker
Like, I agree with you. I expected better. And I know, like, on that drive, that was where Rashid really was struggling with how the the Vikings were jumping the snap and stuff, but gotta be better. And that's one of those, like, you got, as LaFleur, you have to see that faster. Like, I understand he's got a lot of things on his mind as the play caller, but that's the kind of thing that he's gotta recognize quicker and adjust to, to make sure that, you know, it's not a repeatable problem.
00:44:14
Speaker
and That's why you also have an offensive coordinator and all these other coaches because they're supposed to be there helping you See that when you if you can But I've intentionally left the other low-hanging fruit for this segment for you. So please take it away Well the one that I'm thinking of I can go off all I already talked about it a little bit and that's happily soft coverage friggin jackass zone shit that we and and I'm gonna call him out.
Ineffective Zone Coverage Strategy
00:44:46
Speaker
I love you perone, but I am gonna call you out on this because I disagree with you Full-heartedly and I let me pull it up real quick. So and it's not like Anything bad, but I just I disagree with the way with what you were saying. I uh, I Said
00:45:07
Speaker
What's going on with the coverage three guys in the area, but they are like five yards off stop with the zone soft zone coverage And perone said they don't have any good corners out there. We're running on fumes hopes and prayers I get that but you still have NFL corners out there and while and my reply was basically yeah, they're not number ones and But I personally could handle watching them being scorched on plays, then three guys in the area with thumbs up their butts. yeah And, you know, that's basically what Halfly was running was three in the area with thumbs up their butts. And, you know, we've seen that in Barry system and it didn't work. We saw that earlier in the year with this system, it didn't work.
00:46:00
Speaker
You sometimes you just got to, you know, throw it out there and take a chance. Carrington was playing well. Again, I point out Stokes, I think has been playing better than what a lot of people are giving him credit for. Keyshawn, I think was the weak leak again. And other than that play against Addison, you know, that was an amazing play that he made to break up that pass on that to Addison. But. And Bullard was was getting roughed up a bit, but Give him a chance. ah ah Stokes has never been a zone coverage guy. He's always been the man to man type guy with the speed that he's had. Give him a shot. It couldn't be any worse than what they did already. You know, yeah giving up 377 yards to ah ah Sam friggin Darnold.
00:46:53
Speaker
You can't, no matter what quarterback, you can't give him the same look every play. And that's where I agree with you on that point is like, I get, I do, and like you said, I do understand what Peron is trying to say that like, he doesn't have Jair, but this is something that we said earlier in the season where it's like, yeah everyone knows that you're trying to cover for your corners because you don't have Jair and you're playing left-handed and all that kind of stuff. But you have to throw the curve ball and the change up every once in a while, whether that's,
00:47:23
Speaker
calling a different zone coverage, calling bump and run on top of a zone coverage, are or playing man, and like you said, just living with the outcome. And the the first touchdown was the direct result of trying to layer in a soft zone with help behind it. And as much as everyone wants to say like, oh, it's because the corners suck, it's like, kinda, yeah, but you,
00:47:50
Speaker
Halfly got so deep in the weeds of trying to like protect his corners that he let, who was that, Naylor? Just run right up the middle of the field. yeah And like McKinney sees it like four steps too late because he's so... he's so
00:48:12
Speaker
but helping the person which isn't a bad thing but he's so overplaying the dig or slant that Jefferson is playing that he has no shot when Naylor runs a kind of like this lazy deep over it's not even a good route it's just that they're expecting Green Bay to play so heavy in help coverage that like it it's just beating a drum at that point and so I agree with you that like you need to see something you need to see some band coverage and the pass rush does have to be better but also at the same time okay my whole thing with that you know everyone's like oh my god the pass rush they were getting pressure early and then the Vikings started to throw weird run looks at them and so it's like okay like which one are you gonna ensure it's easy to say now like oh you should have let them run the ball and make sure you just
00:49:00
Speaker
kicking the shit out of their o-line and getting to darnold but no one would be happy if they average you know they got 200 rushing yards and jones had like four touchdowns and a six yard per carry kind of you know they he had a longer 13 and they still held him to an average of 3.9 yards take out the kneel downs and you know they held the vikings to a just over 3.1 yards per carry on the ground i know that that you know a lot of people don't give a shit about that stuff but it does matter and it does speak to why like And Paul Bredow made a big point about how like in this 4-3 defense, you're always playing at a number's disadvantage. And it's not as simple as where is Rashawn? Why isn't Rashawn trying harder? why isn't One of the things you brought up that I was a little disappointed was the interior rush that had been so good the past month dried up except for Karl Brooks. Wyatt had a play here or there. Kenny had a play here or there in a pass rush. But there it just wasn't there. and
00:49:59
Speaker
I do think we're at the point where, and okay, and so this is where he goes hand in hand. So Kway is out. Halfly wants to use Cooper as a blitzer, but the problem is, is that when he blitzes Cooper, his two remaining linebackers can't cover. Wilson again for like the second time in two weeks, he's doing the best he can, but he's short.
00:50:23
Speaker
And Darnold throws the ball right over his head, over the middle of the field. And McDuffie couldn't cover me in a phone booth right now. And so half of these kind of stuck where it's like,
00:50:37
Speaker
My ace in the hole in the pass rush is sending Cooper on a blitz, but I can't because the other two guys I've got out here are getting beat like a drum in coverage. So that side of it. And then like you said, I question, where's Tyron Hopper?
00:50:55
Speaker
is Are they not seeing him? I know he was dealing with a little bit of an injury, but he was active for the game. yeah Is he not showing enough in practice to take a spot or even do a rotational with big Duffy or or Wilson? And it's to the point where I'm to the point with it where it's like if you're playing a team like Minnesota that you know is going to throw the ball all over the yard when they have the chance to, you just got to live with him not having the right run fit or if he runs the wrong way in coverage because like
00:51:33
Speaker
I've been the guy that McDuffie or Wilson has been where that guy knows where he's supposed to be every play. That was the story of my high school careers. Mike knows where he's supposed to be on every play. He just can't fucking get there every time. And like, bless their souls, Eric and McDuffie, they're two warriors. they They've done you know everything the teams asked them to.
00:51:55
Speaker
but They're downhill guys. They're not out and a about guys. Yeah. And you saw it later where Halfly was sending Wilson on some of the Cooper blitzes and you dropping Cooper into coverage. But at that point, like Minnesota was throttling off and stuff. So you this is where like as much as he's a whipping boy, too, you need way back. Because whether he's used to blitz instead of Cooper or he's dropping into coverage,
00:52:24
Speaker
Him being six foot four and lanky and athletic is a big upgrade over whatever Wilson or McDuffie who are both six foot and six foot one are giving you in the middle of the field. So you need that. And like you said, as much as some people are like.
00:52:43
Speaker
Where's the pass rush? It's not as simple as, well, like for all the chest bumping, chest pounding, and flexing that Packers fans do about, like oh, Loflor does all these great things to create advantages in his gate by meshing his run in his pass game. O'Connell does that too. McVeigh does that too. like he These other whiz kid offensive minds, they do that too. And for all the times that you're like, oh my god, like Yes, Green Bay's O-line is better, but for all the times that it's like, the Packers O-line doesn't have to try.
00:53:17
Speaker
These other teams are doing it too, and Green Bay's team does have to think on the move and stuff, so it's not as simple as they're not good enough, they're not trying and stuff. You combine that with the handicaps in the secondary, the handicaps in coverage by the linebackers, you you're playing with a hand, maybe a hand and a half tied behind your back, and that's why I said that for today,
00:53:40
Speaker
your offense had to be your best defense. And as we talked about, they just didn't get it done today. And honestly, that's why you lost the first game against the Vikings. That's why you lost. Really, all five of their losses are tied to slow starts by the offense. Week one, you turn two early turnovers into six points instead of 10 or 14.
00:54:04
Speaker
The Vikings, you turned the ball over two times in the first half, three times in two times in the first half, two times early in the second half. That really just stunt your ability to score points. The Lions game, you just never get off the ground. The game in Detroit, it takes you in a quarter and a half to get in the game. Today, it took you like two and a half quarters to get in the game. So they've got to figure that out going into the playoffs.
00:54:29
Speaker
but Yeah, that's kind of where they're at with that side of it. Yeah, for sure. You know, if this is the team that shows up in the playoffs, don't expect a long run out of them. Nope. I don't know who it is off the top of my head, but they keep, they've mentioned it on, was it CD Angeli or was it somebody else?
00:54:52
Speaker
on Blue Sky that said it, that for all those that think this is like 2010 all over again, it's more like 2009, where they're on the cusp of things, but they're like a piece or two away from actually yeah being that 2010 team.
00:55:11
Speaker
Yeah, I agree with. And Dusty had one that was similar to where he's like, it's whether it's what you think of the pass rush or the secondary, they're a year away from being a true, true content. They can, on the back of how good this offense can be, they can fuck shit up and they could they could screw around and make the Super Bowl because they are that talented on offense. And if their offense is playing up to a top three offense level, their defense has enough skill that they can create some turnovers you know if they're playing ahead or even
00:55:45
Speaker
neck and neck, they can get pressure because you can not worry about the run as much. But when they're playing a dead even or from behind, it's hard for this defense to get the ball back for this off. That's just how this team is built. like it's you can't You can't build for everything in the modern NFL. So that's kind of where they stand. My last one for Moldy is refs just suck. They're just horrible, terrible people. Like I said,
00:56:15
Speaker
If you go back and look at pictures or film of the supposed offside on the field goal at the end of the first half, the only person who's offside is the fucking right guard for the Vikings, who somehow is allowed to stand with his waist ahead of the football.
Controversial Referee Calls
00:56:31
Speaker
And if you don't know what I'm... go look at a picture of the pre-snap and everyone's like, oh, that's the ball. No, that's the right guard who somehow has his belt ahead of the ball. its The long snapper is number 42. You can't see the ball because it's under his chest. 76 is somehow to his right and like, yes if... If the long snapper looks to his right, he's all up in 76's business. And somehow, you know, Edge inching up to get closer to the line of scrimmage was viewed as him being offside. And I had someone on Twitter telling me, like, are you blind? Inaugury is offside. And I'm like, no. The ball is on the 42 and a half yard line at most. Kingsley is barely past the 42 yard line.
00:57:20
Speaker
And he gets called for being offside weather. And, you know, he's like, oh, no, they had the wrong number. And I'm like, yeah, you're right. And it was the wrong color, too. It was 76 in purple who was offside. So do you wonder if sometimes the maybe these some refs all.
00:57:37
Speaker
call a penalty on the wrong team, and instead of fixing it, they just roll with it? Oh, absolutely. You get it all the time. like the the genesis the The other proof I have of that is when they're like you have the one where it's like, there is no number 42 on this team. kind of like You hear it in college, and the NFL is like, there's 100 people on this roster, and no one is wearing that number. you know It's that thing. And then the other one that was really good.
00:58:04
Speaker
so and the The field goal one, what was really bad is if you're reading LeFlore's lips, he's saying, I'm standing right here. he He's literally on the line of scrimmage and he's telling the the side judge, how can you call my guy offside? I'm standing on the line of scrimmage. You're not. It's basically what he's telling the guy is he's like, I'm standing here looking down the line of scrimmage. Because I think LeFlore is saying if he was offside, I was going to call timeout.
00:58:29
Speaker
But he wasn't, and so yeah, i and that's like seeing the floor go ballistic over that, I understand why. And then the other one was the the one where they called Wix for being in illegal formation. That one was horseshit because, and I'll try and find the all 22 when it comes out, but the reason he's so they're like oh he covered up another player but looking at it I didn't think Tucker was on the line of scrimmage I thought he was not in like the true inline tight end I thought he was the like wing tight end because he would potentially come in motion and you know they're like oh Wix he's on the ball then he moves back but it's like no
00:59:11
Speaker
if you looked at it, he's across the ball. And then he's like, oh, I'm fixing it by getting onside. And so that one too, like, I was like, I have no idea what the fuck happened on that penalty. And, you know, the really unfortunate thing, you know, and, you know, everyone's kind of pointing at like, oh, the Packers got the low block thing and all that kind of stuff. But like, it's where it comes, you know, it's it's sort of like,
00:59:37
Speaker
cluster luck in baseball where it's like, oh, both teams ended up with nine hits. But it's like, well, one team got one hit in every inning and none of them were home runs. And the other team got five hits in one inning and got and scored like three or four runs. And that's what the Vikings did is like the where theirs came in had like.
00:59:57
Speaker
the Packers convert a third in one but then it gets called back then they don't convert third and six and then the ensuing drive they get called for the erroneous offside which gives them a second chance at the field goal kick and it's like and and that's that's just you know it's bad refereeing. And then on top of it, it just kind of shows like the team was, you know, as much as like, I wish they had played better in the first half. That's just how you can kind of tell like shit out of luck Murphy's law and like everything was conspiring against you kind of things. So it, it goes in the moldy because I feel like a lot of these like finer point stuff refs just have gotten worse and worse as the season is gone. This ah ah could be one of those rare times where you could kind of maybe point and say,
01:00:47
Speaker
this cost the Packers, the game, because had they not called that, you know, quote unquote offsite penalty, the field goal would have been no good.
Impact of Referee Errors on Game Outcome
01:00:58
Speaker
And had the rest of the game played out the way it did, we're looking at 25, 24 instead of, you know, 27, 25. Yeah. So not saying that, you know, everything would have played out afterwards the same.
01:01:16
Speaker
But, you know, and you also have to say that this kind of goes to the decision making instead of going for it on fork down in the red zone, just take the three points for the Packers. And, you know, I just thought of that one. But anyway, back with the reps. And it's not just for the Packers game. I was watching the the commander's Falcons game And they called holding on one of the tackles and we're sitting here watching it it even i Colin I'm talking we colleagues it's worth and Toriko and all and terrara and you know Everybody at home is watching this and there's no grab. There's no toss. There's no fall There's nothing and they called it a friggin holding penalty.
01:02:05
Speaker
there there was he The only thing that they said that could possibly be viewed as why they called it holding was because when the defender was coming in, he came in low and kind of slid and the tackle slapped him on the back and it caused him to lurch down a little bit.
01:02:26
Speaker
but there was there was no holding to it. where Everybody's just sitting there questioning it like, are what ah did we miss something here? So this just goes to what we've said all year when we've talked about the rest. It's not just in Packers games. We can point it out more because of the Packers games because we're watching them more intent than any other game. But yes, it's not just Packer games. It's just the reffing as a whole.
01:02:56
Speaker
Yep, I agree. But that's I'm going to I'm going to create a new segment and I'll get some sound effects for it later on for when we do it. And it's the huh moment. And it happened twice that I saw. They dropped Lucas Van Ness into coverage. Now, I don't think it bit him in the butt.
01:03:25
Speaker
But that's similar to dropping Preston Smith into coverage. And I think that's like, I do wonder how much Halfly would call these zone blitzes if Jair is in the game as a, because he's hedging his bit. He's trying to create confusion upfront and still, you know, still pressure with Ford, but he created confusion. All right.
01:03:51
Speaker
But yeah, so I do wonder if like he just sends that fifth guy, if you have Jair back there and stuff, because that's the thing is like Halfly is more of a man, you know, he is, he his preference is to play man, but he feels like he can and stuff. And I agree with you, like, you know, we could probably be going back around in circles, but he's got to just bite the bullet and say, like, we're gonna live with it and deal with it kind of thing. But Well, and you know, if you would have rushed the fifth guy, you know, good pass rushes tend to cover up a lot of mistakes that the secondary makes, but yeah yes, that we just, beassing things but I think we're going to go forward, maybe starting next season and have a new version of it of like, what the hell is going on or, yeah hu or something where it's just a questionable thing because.
01:04:40
Speaker
Last time I knew, even though he's very athletic, it's not a good idea to drop a guy like Lucas Van Ness in the coverage. Yeah. He had a smooth backpedal, though. I have to give him that. Yes, he did look very athletic doing it, but that'll put a we'll put a capper on it tonight. I want to thank you for joining us for tonight's episode. Please check out our website, a hundred packers dot org. Please support the show through the shop. Like I always say, Joe is always coming up with really catchy things to put on cups, sweaters, shirts, tumblers, mugs. I have a new line that I'm trying to come out with, but I'm trying to perfect it.
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01:06:02
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Well, okay, they still can play for the 6E, but they're going to need help from the Cowboys of all people to beat the the commanders since the commanders won Sunday night. So Packers are still trying to stay out of that 7 spot, it's not in their control because they let go in the rope tonight. But that's all I would show. I might go pack, go, and aloha.