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EPISODE 44 - Patriots training camp! in depth look from on the field!
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How is Will Campbell?? Jared WIlson?
Drake Maye developing? WR battle??
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Patriots are back!
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Co-host
00:00:01
Savage Boston
All right, guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston podcast. We are here tonight. I am Scott, the host of the Savage Boston podcast with my co-host Snooty. um And we're here with a guest co-host tonight, our guy from Twitter, who known for, you know, Pat's Twitter for years. We got Bryson on here. How we doing, Bryson?
00:00:21
Brycen
What's up guys, how are you guys doing?
00:00:21
Snooty
Thank you.
00:00:22
Brycen
I'm excited to be here. It's like a really exciting time of the year too because everyone has hope, including me even.
00:00:30
Savage Boston
I mean, honestly, i wasn't even going to start here, but I am just because you brought that up. Like, Bryson, do you want to give me like just your own kind of loose summary on how you felt the last, like, let's take it post Brady era, like the quickest summary you can give me of your own emotions last five years.
Post-Brady Era Emotions
00:00:47
Savage Boston
How has this experience been for you post Brady?
00:00:51
Brycen
Well, I will say not good. And that's a summary, but that like that summary for me is like 5,000 words because I've probably been talking about that. i actually had to kind of take a break from Twitter because um I was getting overly pessimistic about stuff and I was right.
00:01:08
Brycen
Like the things that were seen were right, but it's not fun.
00:01:10
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:12
Snooty
Sorry.
00:01:13
Brycen
It's not fun for me to come on X or Twitter or talk to you guys and be like, well, they're not good again. Well, they're not good. Well, they're not good.
00:01:20
Snooty
not yet
00:01:20
Brycen
And even the most casual fan has hope. And um I just haven't had that for years. And this is the first this is the first summer, really, even though I like Drake May so much last year, that I really had even a little bit of hope, which I actually will get into it more.
00:01:35
Brycen
But I feel much better.
00:01:36
Savage Boston
yeah
00:01:36
Brycen
And so I have fan fatigue, but now I'm over. i had a little break and now I'm back. So i actually, that did make me appreciate it a lot more.
00:01:45
Savage Boston
I feel like the only thing that kept me going last year was just that, um, for some reason, like the amount of Mayo screw ups and like mistakes and things he would say after each game, like it was just unlimited, ah screw up content for the internet. So, I mean, you know, for Twitter where feeds off negative emotion, that's obviously keeps people going, but as a fan and a Patriots fan, uh, yeah, that just sucked and it sucked to live through that. And I hope it inspires people to, ah to be more hopeful and, and, and want to watch a good product.
00:02:18
Savage Boston
So, um,
00:02:19
Snooty
but It sucked in every way possible, too. right like You went like, oh, Brady's gone. That sucks. And then it was like, yeah, but we still have Bill. And then Bill, it just slowly decayed under Bill, and you're like, ah, fuck.
00:02:30
Snooty
And then you're like, all right, you have a new coach. You're like, okay, cool. Maybe something new. Nope, that just fucking blew up. It's like every possible way it could be horrible, it was post-Brain.
00:02:36
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:02:39
Savage Boston
Yeah. I'm happy people are, are pumped about this season. I'm happy they are, are into it. It seems like there's been good crowds at training camp. um I was there Saturday and it was banged out.
00:02:52
Savage Boston
It was, it was, it was like thousands, thousands of people was banged out. You can just feel people um wanting to be positive about it.
Training Camp Optimism
00:03:00
Savage Boston
So, Where want to jump off tonight, and I'll throw it to Bryson first. um You know, I think we we always say like every spring, right? Every – or sorry, every every camp, I should say, ah the defense is always ahead of the offense, right? it's always like defense is ahead, defense is ahead. they're Oh, they're going to be ahead.
00:03:17
Savage Boston
You know, we didn't hear that a lot when Tom Brady was here, but it was always defense ahead of the offense. I think this is the first camp I've heard in a little while now that I feel like they've been kind of split.
00:03:28
Savage Boston
Like they're sharing reps. You got wins here, wins there. So, and I think that that points to a ah more solid team, obviously.
Patriots' Offensive Competence
00:03:35
Savage Boston
So how do you feel about kind of the the offense being a little farther ahead to start the year, Bryson?
00:03:41
Brycen
I like that saying, but I always feel that saying is it's always cope. Because, for the past like you just said, for the past five years, we've dealt with absolutely horrendous stuff. Defensive head of offense, it's always cope.
00:03:53
Brycen
Like, the offense is terrible.
00:03:54
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:03:54
Brycen
Like, we already know this. But you can either take it two ways. You can take it the pessimistic way where it's like the defense is maybe overrated. and the offices may be just taking advantage of that, but I think this year it actually is that the offense has a more competent background and more competent players.
00:04:07
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:04:13
Brycen
Not only are the players better, but the structure there they are in is also better too. So it's really the growth will not be just a little bit.
00:04:19
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:04:22
Brycen
It'll be exponential, and I think we'll be able to see it really quickly, and they they'll have a good offense, which is what I'm really excited about. like The defense is going to be the defense, obviously, Gonzo, and Davis aren't there right now, and those are the best two players.
00:04:36
Brycen
But I'm excited about the offense, and I'm actually happy to hear it because, for me, I'm an offensive guy.
00:04:37
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:04:42
Brycen
You guys probably know that about me. So it's like the defense can always put things together, and I always think that the best the best defense actually is a really good offense because if you score 30 points,
00:04:55
Brycen
like That's a really hard bar for most NFL teams to get to nowadays. So if you even have an average defense that can turn the ball over a little bit, create some pressures, get some turnovers, and you have a great offense, your chances of winning in the modern NFL are much higher. So that actually excites me because that's exactly the blueprint to the Patriots offense and
Drake May's Potential as QB
00:05:15
Brycen
defense right now. So that's my thoughts on it
00:05:18
Snooty
I mean, and I think if you kind of want to take like a middle look at it, it's like, you know, possibly the defense is maybe slightly overrated, but they're very good. Right.
00:05:28
Snooty
I mean, there's no question that there's talent at every level on the defense.
00:05:30
Savage Boston
way more talent.
00:05:32
Snooty
um And the offense isn't a complete fucking train wreck. Like the last two years, all you heard was like, they can't block anybody.
00:05:36
Brycen
Yes.
00:05:40
Snooty
Like, they can't function as an offense.
00:05:40
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:05:42
Snooty
They can't do anything. And you're not hearing that this year. It's not perfect. It's not going to be perfect. But, like, they were bottom, what, two, bottom three offense last year?
00:05:53
Snooty
Like, it doesn't take a lot to have, you know, drastic improvement. And I think there are signs of that, which is, like, let's be realists, right? Like, you're just looking for improvement from last year.
00:06:00
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:06:03
Savage Boston
I mean, one of one of the best things, obviously, off the off the jump, right, is, um you know, the quarterback, right?
00:06:03
Snooty
It's building.
00:06:09
Savage Boston
With Drake May, you know, you can say, ah you might say, oh, they're getting ahead of themselves. He's not that guy yet. Like, Drake May is is exactly where he should be right now.
00:06:20
Savage Boston
And he's developing exactly how he should develop. He's got tremendous flashes of talent. He is going to have a few inaccuracies, for instance, right? but um But I think he's looked impressive in camp in a lot of ways. I think his off-platform stuff is still tremendous.
00:06:37
Savage Boston
um and it And it's just his natural talent is tremendous. so You know, he's got a ah massive ceiling, which is obviously great. um And so, yeah, I think he's exactly where he should be. And I think McDaniels hopefully can can get Drake. um I don't know, get him honed into the system and and he should be a really productive player this year.
00:06:55
Savage Boston
So how do you guys feel about Drake's development?
00:07:00
Brycen
I mean you guys.
00:07:00
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, I think it's
00:07:02
Brycen
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
00:07:03
Snooty
I'm sorry. I mean, I think you kind of hit the nail on the head there. Like it's, there's going to be ups and downs. I mean, you could argue it's effectively an extension of his rookie season, right? Learning a new offense. um You know, it's not West coast. It's, you know, you're her Perkins or whatever. So it's, it's very different from what he was doing before. It's probably setting a better foundation long-term for what he can do.
00:07:26
Snooty
um But if you have faith, I personally do that. I think McDaniels is going to at least try to put them in a, a position to maximize his abilities and his talents. I think the ceiling is much higher and the floor is much higher than it was before under Van Pelt. So there's signs for optimism, but you have, again, you have to be realistic and understand that it's not going to be perfect overnight.
00:07:46
Snooty
Like, but you're looking for ah significant growth from last year.
00:07:51
Savage Boston
Yeah. How do you feel, Bryson?
00:07:54
Brycen
Well, I think most people, if they know me, they know what I'm about to say. But i um I'm leaning into Drake May being a blue chip player. I'll just tell you, like, his running is almost just as explosive as his passing.
00:08:09
Brycen
You have to defend every blade of grass when you play Drake May because he can roll out at any minute and pick up 25 yards.
00:08:14
Savage Boston
Dynamic guy.
00:08:16
Brycen
He can also throw the ball anywhere in any place. Like, he this man is is very similar to Josh Allen and he's going to make some of those boneheaded plays, like you said. And, and oftentimes he's not the best player just dropping back into structure, but he is so dynamic and so talented that,
00:08:33
Brycen
I just think that this is the player he always has been, but since we have these players around him that are much better, we have a structured system around him. The only real complaint that I will have about Josh McDaniel's offense is is probably going to not maximize his legs as much as I would particularly like to. Not necessarily that he needs to be RG3, but it would be nice to have a couple plays where he can roll out and pick or choose whether to run or not.
00:08:58
Brycen
However, I will say, within the structure of the offense and as explosive as he can be, this is a player that can legitimately be a top five quarterback. And a lot of people already think that's what he is.
00:09:10
Brycen
A lot of really smart nfl player ah NFL people think that's what Drake May is.
00:09:10
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:09:14
Brycen
and I think this year, if everything goes correctly, that's exactly what we're going to see out of
00:09:19
Snooty
And it's an interesting point you brought up that, you know, in a straight drop back structure, he may, that probably doesn't suit him best at the moment, but it's again, drawing the parallel to truck to Josh Allen, they've all had to work with him to get him to that point. Right.
00:09:34
Brycen
Right.
00:09:34
Snooty
Josh Allen's first few years, he was borderline horrible at points, right? Like, I mean, just this big raw, like piece of clay that could like do everything, but couldn't really fit into the structure too well. So that's the blueprint.
00:09:48
Snooty
you know, you really want to hope for with McTannins. We're like, you can still maximize his his athletic ability and his running ability, but you don't want to, you don't want to lean on it like a crutch at the expense of developing elsewhere as a passer.
Concerns Over Drake May's Health
00:10:01
Savage Boston
mean, you don't want him to be, you know, like obviously like Cam Newton, for instance, right? was like a blue chip, blue chip, physical player who had all the tools, but obviously he got beat up. His body got beat up, right? You can't run like Cam Newton. i don't know if you remember prime Newton.
00:10:15
Savage Boston
But his shoulder went, you you know, he was he ran a lot. He's doing QB dives, jumping over. And obviously, like, his body deteriorated quicker than we wanted to. And so for Drake, a little leaner of a player than than Cam, less kind of muscular, right? And you hope he has that more moral longevity.
00:10:33
Savage Boston
um But I'd love for – I mean, I'm hoping and expecting Josh to work with Drake and have him be running the ball. You'd love to see him roll out.
00:10:41
Snooty
Thank you.
00:10:42
Savage Boston
I mean, he needs to be out of the pocket. This kid thrives out of the pocket. And as I said multiple times and variable said recently, he's like, you know, when you're out of the pocket, remain a thrower.
00:10:46
Brycen
that
00:10:52
Savage Boston
Everyone's been hammering that. Don't just roll out to run, like be a thrower out of the pocket. And then you, you kind of say, all right, can we, can we get you to that? You know, you're not going to be my homes or Josh Allen yet, but can we get you in that direction when these, these guys are extremely like dangerous players outside of the pocket.
00:11:10
Brycen
I think that was the problem last year, Savage, is it was so bad, and he's so elite in that way that almost every play you could see Drake May was like, yeah, I could i could pick up 10 to 15 yards right here, and he would just take off running, which is why, like you guys are saying, you need a combination.
00:11:10
Savage Boston
So.
00:11:13
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:11:24
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:25
Brycen
So you need him to really, I think you need the defense to feel threatened enough, but not in a random way. That's why I like the structured play, because you can control when Drake May is taking a hit, whether or not
00:11:32
Savage Boston
yeah
00:11:37
Brycen
rather than him just randomly running every once in a while. Like, you see Mahomes do it, and and May will do that, but that's why I kind of want to see the structured play where the defense has to respect him, then everything else opens up, and the passing game is much easier, and he's not so concerned about, well, I could just take off right here and get 15 yards, and he ends up getting cracked upside the head by safety.
00:11:58
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, this is the kind of a throwback reference, but I remember LaDainey and Tomlinson back in the day, they used to talk about that, that they would get him looks where he could get you know six, seven yards out of the backfield in the flat, but not get hit.
00:12:11
Snooty
And the whole thing was you still get some of that production. You still get all you know the touches, but a lot of the risk is is reduced. So I know that's different for a quarterback, but the same type of concept where it's like it's targeted.
00:12:24
Snooty
where he runs with a purpose, like there's a reason to run, and it's more protected than it would be just... i mean, he's obviously going to scramble. Every quarterback scrambles. But you know you don't want to just you don't want to abuse it because, I mean, Newton was a tank.
00:12:36
Snooty
That's the only reason Newton lasted as long as he did.
00:12:36
Savage Boston
I mean, I'm concerned though, ah just to throw it out there, his concussion stuff is concerning. I mean, I was at a game last year, like he left the game, he got concussed and he took another, i think he had like three concussions.
00:12:42
Brycen
Yes, it is.
00:12:48
Savage Boston
One they called was not a concussion, but he got shaken up and fumbled the ball. And you're like, ah, like was shocked. They didn't diagnose it, but he really does have to not get hit in the head.
00:12:59
Savage Boston
I mean, anything he can do possible to not get hit in the head is what he has to do this season. And that's my concern for him physically.
00:13:07
Brycen
need some of that Brady concussion water, bro.
00:13:11
Savage Boston
And he's a magic Michael Jordan juice, a space jam juice.
00:13:11
Brycen
with
00:13:15
Savage Boston
So what ah what I want to throw it out next is just one of my favorite players from camp so thus far. One of my favorite stories from camp, favorite players from camp. And this kid seems like I don't want to, I am going to get ahead of myself because how he looks so far.
00:13:32
Savage Boston
um Jared Wilson. Okay.
00:13:34
Brycen
Yes.
00:13:35
Savage Boston
I am going to get ahead of myself. All right. Jared Wilson to me.
00:13:37
Brycen
Do it.
00:13:38
Savage Boston
At 95th overall, he was
Training Camp Standouts
00:13:40
Savage Boston
drafted. You know, it might be a home run pick. And why I say that is because you draft him 95th. he's already gotten reps at left guard reps at center reps at right guard.
00:13:53
Savage Boston
He had starting reps at center today. Basically feels like the team is just going to want to start them wherever there's like the worst player. Right? So if they, if, if Colt strange blows, maybe he'll be a left guard.
00:14:05
Savage Boston
If Bradbury blows, maybe they'll start him at center, but like, I'm loving what I'm seeing from Jared Wilson. I feel like he's, he's the best story from camp and and you might have a rookie all left side of the line, but you know, let's see how it plays out. So how how do you guys feeling about Jared Wilson so far?
00:14:26
Snooty
Yeah, I mean, obviously his profile coming out was he was very raw. He's obviously extremely athletic. He tested very, very well. Came from Georgia, so he sat a few years. He doesn't have a ton of experience from college, so you could see that start to show up at points in the NFL when, you know, you get further into the season and his actual game plans and things like that, and they either get a little tape on them you know, know how to attack him a little bit.
00:14:50
Snooty
um But, mean, how can you not love a, you know, a guy that you draft 95th overall who can step in and play left guard or center. I think,
00:14:58
Savage Boston
It's crazy.
00:14:58
Snooty
Bradbury, Bradbury got rolled up on today. I don't know if that's anything serious. That's it's to me, it's, it's, I think you're right. I think it's how they view, uh, Bradbury versus strange.
00:15:09
Snooty
Cause I think those are the only two that are going to start at center or left guard outside of Wilson. So if, you know, one of them is bad enough that, you know, they feel he could be replaced or should be replaced, then that's where he's going to go.
00:15:22
Snooty
Um, there was the concern with the fumble snaps. I know may had one with Bradbury today.
00:15:27
Savage Boston
Is that a May problem or is that is that on May?
00:15:28
Snooty
Yes. Yes. No, no. Yes. Yes. So I had a coach in college tell me that 95% of the time, the snaps, the problem with the snap is going to be on the quarterback, but 100% of the time.
00:15:41
Savage Boston
Hold on, hold on.
00:15:41
Snooty
So 95% of the time.
00:15:41
Savage Boston
Bryson, Bryson, mind you, Snooty played center in college. So just FYI.
00:15:46
Brycen
I think he's right. i think he's right.
00:15:48
Snooty
so ninety five percent of the time
00:15:48
Savage Boston
So he's always going to default to the center, just to let you
00:15:51
Snooty
No, no, no, no. 95% of the time, the quarterback's going to be at fault. But 100% of the time, the center's going to get yelled at in practice.
00:15:59
Savage Boston
that
00:15:59
Snooty
I had a coach legitimately come up to me and say, so we're going yell at you every time. Don't worry about it. We'll fix it in film. And I was like, okay, cool. like yeah That's just what happens. like it's The fact that it's with both centers, and I think part of that is he he's kind of rotating between centers.
00:16:12
Snooty
They all kind of snap it a little bit different, so that's part of it. But that's still no excuse. You should get in 100 snaps every day with each center. You know what I mean? You can't have that. that's This is the NFL.
00:16:23
Snooty
You can go take snaps in the locker room, for Christ's sake, right and be fine.
00:16:23
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:28
Savage Boston
Yeah, true.
00:16:28
Brycen
No, i I think that's right. I think it'll come with reps. I think there's not, I'm one of those nihilists that's like skills are there and it's really, these guys are so good that it's hard to improve on things. But I think snapping is one of those things that with repetition, it will get better. And it probably is Drake May's fault, like you just said. I mean, he's had many different centers over the years. so I think that will definitely help. But I mean, to give a Joe a NFL reference, one of our favorite people,
00:16:56
Brycen
I mean, big fan of Jared Wilson, which, I mean, me too. I like Jared Wilson as well. And I was like Michael Lombardi.
00:17:01
Savage Boston
Is he? Is Joe a fan of Jared Wilson? Mm-hmm.
00:17:03
Brycen
Yes, yes. And the thing that Michael Lombardi always says is you're always one injury away from being a good football team. And with Bradbury, it's like we need Jared Wilson to play center.
00:17:15
Brycen
And the thing that always makes me sick is you can look at all of Cole Strang's athletic scores, like those raw scores, and you can put them at tackle, you can put them at guard, you can put them at center, and his scores are out of the charts amazing. But this guy, he hasn't been able to produce, but...
00:17:32
Brycen
maybe Maybe this is the year, since we're being so optimistic, but I'm very happy about Wilson at center. That's totally awesome, considering last year they got they had one pick that was a hit.
00:17:43
Brycen
Everything else was total bust, but it looks like this year they're going to have a couple starters, which is actually incredible.
00:17:46
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:17:49
Brycen
so i mean It is amazing, but we just need Cole Strange to be able to.
00:17:50
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:17:54
Brycen
Just don't be terrible. like Do not be terrible. Just be okay, and that's just fine.
00:17:58
Savage Boston
Yeah. I agree. and he I think Cole Strange, you just want him to just be a functional player, but it sounds even from, i guess today wasn't a great day for
Offensive Line Challenges
00:18:08
Savage Boston
him.
00:18:08
Savage Boston
Got blown up by a few like backup tackles. So not a great day. um You know, you just need him to be functional because I'd love to just plug and play Wilson at center. um But I think honestly, like this is just prediction, but I think Wilson's going to start at left guard.
00:18:25
Savage Boston
And I think, I think Bradbury is going to be the center only because Bradbury just has so much more experience. I know he's a shitty pass blocker. His passing pass block grades are horrible. um But but yeah, I think he's just you need a vet ah somewhere. and And that would be wild to have an all rookie left side of the line.
00:18:42
Savage Boston
i think, again, I'm going to go into running. This is like my running thing here where every single podcast I'm going to say that they blew it by not being a non Joe Tooney. But again, they blew it by not being in on fucking Joe Tooney, who should could be easily could have come back here for like a future fourth.
00:18:58
Savage Boston
Then you're starting left guard and then Wilson can be your center. And then how are you feeling about this line? You know what mean? So you can't I've been complaining about this for weeks. It's hard to have two black holes. You can't have center and left guard be a black hole.
00:19:10
Savage Boston
but at least with the with the, you know,
00:19:14
Savage Boston
I don't know the coming of, of, of Jared Wilson, he can at least hopefully fill one of those holes.
00:19:14
Snooty
Bye.
00:19:20
Savage Boston
And then if you just got one week spot, it's a lot easier to cover. So, so yeah, so I'm, I'm pretty, I'm pretty optimistic, but um you know, there's still, they could still hit waivers.
00:19:27
Brycen
Thank you.
00:19:29
Savage Boston
You can still make a signing. There's potential there. um It doesn't feel like they're going to do that, but, um but I don't know. I don't know.
00:19:38
Snooty
Not inside. I think their swing tackle might not be on the roster. I think that might be a yeah ah late trade late camp trade or like a waiver wire pickup type thing.
00:19:49
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:19:50
Snooty
Like a...
00:19:50
Savage Boston
I mean, I heard today, just, just stat wise today and one-on-ones Jared Wilson was, was three and O this is per, I think um I think Andrew Callahan had this. He had two wins versus Barmore and one win versus Milton Williams, just the big dogs and any three and O and then Will Campbell one-on-ones today, I think was two and O.
00:20:10
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:20:10
Savage Boston
So Will Campbell off the bat. I want to get into Campbell now, obviously you know, everyone's got their, their differing opinions. I think, Early struggles, obviously, pass blocking, which is on one-on-ones, which is to be expected a little bit. Kids are rookie.
00:20:25
Savage Boston
Yeah, you want a stud out the gate, obviously, but it sounds like he's holding up pretty well in the run game, and maybe he's just going to keep learning every day. So, Bryson, what was it? So you mentioned you were getting some flack for something. So what was your what was your Will Campbell hot take?
00:20:40
Brycen
Well, it's not a hot take at all. but I just like on Twitter every once in while messing with people and like they don't they don't really understand what I'm doing. They think I'm being mean, but it's not it's not really that at all.
00:20:51
Brycen
It's just like we're talking here on the podcast. It's just guys talking. I just said it's nice of Jared Wilson that he can just block and be amazing and he doesn't have to go up there and say cringe things like I'm going to die for my quarterback like this is Sparta or something like that, which is just funny.
00:20:55
Savage Boston
yeah
00:21:06
Brycen
It's not not to say that Will Campbell is not a good player or anything like that because –
00:21:08
Savage Boston
Is that what you got flack for?
00:21:10
Brycen
Yeah, that is, but I mean, it is what it is.
00:21:11
Savage Boston
um man.
00:21:12
Brycen
I mean, some people got it, some people don't. It's completely fine. That's the life on X on the internet and stuff like that, but I mean, you mentioned Joe Tooney, but they have Joe Tooney. His name is Will Campbell.
00:21:23
Brycen
I mean, he's going to play tackle, and he may be he may be all right there, and I think he's good. I do think he's a good player, but you know I think Simmons was a better tackle. I think we're going to see that. but However, if Will Campbell turns out to be Joe Tooney or a very solid tackle, we're going to be just fine with that, and I think he's going to be just fine. However, as you guys know, that first month is rough.
00:21:45
Brycen
I mean, those pass rushers is coming out, that's rough.
00:21:45
Savage Boston
yeah
00:21:48
Brycen
i mean, it's nice I mean, they we do kind of have like kind of the bigger archetype pass rusher, not necessarily the extremely explosive one on the Patriots. He's not really going to get that look unless you're talking about like Harold Landry, which is kind of a speak.
00:22:01
Savage Boston
Or chase on.
00:22:02
Brycen
Yeah, but I mean... Those guys he's going to face are going to, I mean, you're going to find out very quick whether or not he belongs in the NFL or not. And I think after a month we're going to be like, yeah, he's pretty good. He's all right.
00:22:13
Brycen
He can stick there. And and maybe one day they find yeah find a left tackle one and they can just slide him into left guard because he will fit nicely just about anywhere because he is a good player and he's a hard worker. So I do like him.
00:22:23
Snooty
I mean, think...
00:22:24
Brycen
Although I like to poke at people that are Will Campbell fans because for whatever reason, like the length, the arm length thing just has them like, their brains are just fluttering anytime you say anything about Will Campbell because they're so, like, they're so um over the arm length thing. Like, they just can't handle it.
00:22:41
Brycen
So, I mean, maybe I should stop poking at it, but it's just fun.
00:22:45
Snooty
i mean i think I kind of have a developing take with Simmons. I think he's the type of player I'm not sure he would have worked here. um That's a very veteran, experienced, heavy leadership team in Kansas City.
00:22:58
Snooty
So any questions about his motivation or his maturity or things like that, it's much easier to control develop a player like that in that type of environment, whereas obviously this extremely young team here.
00:23:11
Snooty
know Vrabel's a hard-ass coach and whatever, but I'm not sure he would have worked out here. And I mean, he tore his patella tendon. Like, there could be longstanding ramifications from that.
00:23:22
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:23:23
Snooty
That said, if he was healthy, he was easily the best tackle probably in the draft. um
00:23:28
Brycen
Mm-hmm.
00:23:28
Snooty
If he didn't tear his patella tendon, he probably would have gone fourth. I like Will Campbell. I think he's going to be... good to serviceable. Um, and then the type of draft where they were, and think that's fine. I mean, I've said that on this podcast before he's got good hands. He's got, or, um, he's got very strong hands. he's got good feet.
00:23:47
Snooty
That's going to play nine times out of 10. Um, um Yeah, some ups and downs is so far in camp. That's what happens. I mean, one-on-ones suck. They get so geared towards the defense.
00:23:58
Snooty
It's ridiculous.
00:23:58
Savage Boston
It's really hard.
00:23:59
Snooty
It's so geared towards the defense.
00:23:59
Savage Boston
It's really hard to do one-on-ones. Yeah,
00:24:01
Snooty
It's ridiculous. They don't read screen. They don't read run. They don't read cut. They don't read anything.
00:24:05
Brycen
They're just gone.
00:24:06
Snooty
It's just...
00:24:06
Savage Boston
yeah.
00:24:07
Snooty
it's just And the that happens like...
00:24:08
Savage Boston
Well, great point. Great point, Snooty. Why does Will Campbell already look better in 11-on-11s than he does in one-on-ones? Right? Like, if if you can – because, A, he's a smart player, and, B, he's he's versatile, right? So I think if you get – pin your ears back – Caleb on chasing chase on who's every down to him looks like third and 15. And I'm not trying to shit on him.
00:24:33
Savage Boston
i don't know much about him on early downs as a player. I know he's kind of like Josh Uche in some way. Like he's going to be, or how Harold Landry is supposed to be that speed edge rusher. Right. And maybe those guys do more for you on, on early downs than I'm giving them credit for. But um I think, yeah, it's hard to do one-on-ones. I mean,
00:24:52
Savage Boston
For anyone, he de-tackles. I mean, yeah, it's ah it's a difficult task. Seriously, if you get a Milton Williams in one-on-ones, he's going to be – and Barmore. those are Those are legit tackles, man. Like that's a really good pairing.
00:25:04
Savage Boston
And I think, you know, for Jared Wilson to come out and go 3-0 today against them, i don't know, that's pretty impressive to me. Again, for the rookie, back to Jared Wilson. But i I'm just super high on him so far. um And I think from from being down there, so i was there Saturday and I watched – I tried to – it's hard. I was there with my kids and it's like they're like angry. I'm trying to buy like a lemon slushie and I'll be like just eat the fucking slushie so I can watch the football.
00:25:27
Savage Boston
You know what i mean? And I'm like I'm trying. And so I glued in a couple reps with Will Campbell against Keon White. And to me, in 11 on 11, it's like Will Campbell held his own, no doubt. And I know some guys will pinpoint a couple reps here and there he lost. But like I saw Keon White get into him and Campbell does have a really powerful punch. And he's got those short arms. But ah if he punches you and he gets his first punch out, like he's going to knock you back and he's going to get some leverage. so um So, yeah, I think ultimately he's going to be OK.
00:25:58
Savage Boston
um I think the whole offense is going to be just tremendously better as an operation from what they were. And I mean, i know people got mad at, we're getting mad at this one. We were trying to pick which receiver is going to make the team. Who's not. It's almost like when you post stuff on Twitter, right?
00:26:12
Savage Boston
You got, I might say like, Oh, I think, um I think Polk, you know, He's been too hurt. He's probably not going to make the team. Then you get all the Polk dudes in the comments who are like, you're sleeping on Polk.
00:26:23
Savage Boston
They come after you. and Then you say, you're saying to Javon Baker, and then they come after you, the Baker people.
00:26:25
Brycen
yeah
00:26:28
Savage Boston
and so it's just You're trying to be objective, and and still the two odd men out are Polk and Baker from this from this roster. um if Matt Collins stays on pop.
00:26:40
Savage Boston
So, right, well you guys why don't you guys eat off? Tell me about how you feel in that the wide receiver battle is going up to this point. Bryson, why don't you why don't you kick it off?
00:26:48
Brycen
ah First of all, i mean I mentioned this in the article I wrote, that having a player like Stephon Diggs is just it's so much better than for your offense than people even realize. It's not like Madden where you just add a player and your team gets a little bit better.
00:26:58
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:01
Brycen
No, like you're seeing Demary or Douglas being able to make plays. He's being able to play in the slot like he should. He's being able to be single-guarded like he should. He's going to be able to make those plays. And then you have Booty, who's a solid veteran. And then you've got Kyle Williams, who's extremely explosive. like The thing that's really interesting to me is like,
00:27:18
Brycen
what do they do with like a player like Chisholm or Bourne? Like when they, when they are, is Bourne going to be used more than Chisholm? Like, That's the thing we were talking about in the chat earlier. That's the thing that's interesting to me about the Patriots wide receivers because I think everything else will kind of fill itself in. Like maybe sometimes it'll be Williams.
00:27:37
Brycen
Maybe sometimes it'll be Booty. I think by the end of the season, you'll see a little bit more of Williams because he is more explosive. I do like him better. But Booty's a very solid receiver and and and himself. So I do like the group, but I'm interested to see at that back end what happens because I'm not a big Matt Collins fan at all.
00:27:53
Savage Boston
Yeah, I would say this. I mean, it seemed pretty simple so far with just the the depth charts, right? So you got the top lineup and and Booty and Kyle Williams have been a little interchangeable. But at X, you got really like Booty or Kyle Williams.
00:28:07
Savage Boston
You know, at Z or Flanker, you got Diggs or Bourne.
00:28:09
Brycen
Thank you.
00:28:11
Savage Boston
And at slot, you got Pop Douglas or or like Chisholm. And so it's kind of been, it kind of settles itself right now. There's your top six. Hollins is on popping out and Polk and Baker are kind of subbing in.
00:28:26
Savage Boston
So maybe there's some potential there. I mean, again, back in the Brady days, how many times were we online arguing about wide receiver six in the Tom Brady era?
00:28:38
Brycen
Does he play special teams?
00:28:41
Savage Boston
You know what mean?
00:28:41
Snooty
Yeah.
00:28:41
Brycen
Can he play Gunner?
00:28:42
Savage Boston
Like, Yeah, like were but like we were never – I don't remember. i mean, maybe we were talking about obviously camp. You talk about players. But were never like, but I really need Efton Chisholm to make this roster. Or like, oh, man, I need Baker. Like if they couldn't play, they couldn't play.
00:28:58
Savage Boston
And Brady would figure out quickly who couldn't play and who could play. So I'm hoping the team gets good enough in the future that we don't have to hammer who's wide receiver six versus seven.
00:29:13
Savage Boston
You what I mean
00:29:15
Snooty
yeah and then that comes with drafting well and basically not throwing away entire drafts for the better part of seven,
Wide Receiver Lineup Discussion
00:29:23
Savage Boston
mean? 10 years?
00:29:23
Snooty
eight years, um whatever it was, especially a wide wide receiver 20 years, right?
00:29:28
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:29:28
Snooty
mean, how many Taylor Prices and Chad Jacksons and Aaron Dobsons do you have to go through before you realize you maybe you should change how you draft wide receivers? But I digress.
00:29:41
Snooty
um I mean, I think... you you actually lose cap space cutting cutting Polk. So I think I said before, and I didn't realize he was obviously going to have his minor injury or minor muscle tightness, whatever the hell he had.
00:29:58
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:29:59
Snooty
I thought he had a better chance than than than most to to make the roster just because, mean, he's a second round pick and it wasn't like a crazy reach taking him in the second round. Like he was a second round receiver. The problem is they took him before Ladd McConkie and, you know, or they traded out to, you know, and missed on Ladd McConkie.
00:30:18
Snooty
But um I don't know. I still think he's probably, I think he's eventually going to climb over Chisholm. Chisholm, to me, hasn't flashed a ton in camp thus far.
00:30:28
Savage Boston
not in not in Not in pads camp.
00:30:29
Snooty
um Chisholm seems to be more of that, like, practice squad guy that can, you know, kind of develop. into maybe contributing down the road, that type of thing. um with ah The fullback went on IR today, right?
00:30:43
Savage Boston
Yeah, Brock Lampe.
00:30:43
Snooty
So if they if they use the third tight end to maybe fill some of that fullback as like an H-back type role, that might open up another spot for a receiver on the roster.
00:30:43
Brycen
Yes.
00:30:54
Snooty
If Matt Collins stays on pop through camp, right, like that could open up a spot. That's how Polk or even longer shot Baker, that's how they're going to squeeze onto the roster. It's something like that.
00:31:05
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:31:05
Snooty
versus outright winning.
00:31:08
Savage Boston
Yeah. They, you know, I think Baker. So, it so funny. I'll address it briefly. Cause people were mad for like a day, but um people were mad that, you know, digs had to respond to some report on Instagram, a fake report that he was like, yelled at Baker or said something.
00:31:29
Savage Boston
And, you know, I, Again, I think a lot of this originate. I made a tweet where I just threw it out there and I said, listen, here's we have these camps are public. like This isn't isn't like you need sources in the building. like We have people there.
00:31:43
Savage Boston
We're in a group chat all day. There's guys that at attend camp every single day. I'm not there every day. I'll be there this Friday. and Snooty will be there. We'll see that the scrimmage this Friday though in the stadium. That'll be a lot of fun.
00:31:55
Savage Boston
But like we got guys there every single day. And and and when you got people are like, Hey, Baker's dancing after that drop. Or blah, blah, blah. You know what mean? Like that's why you say stuff. It's people you you trust that are there telling you things. And again, it's is not sources. I'm not saying these are in these are fans, like just fans watching it.
00:32:13
Savage Boston
So I thought it was funny that people really took some sort of offense to that. and And if you're saying like Diggs came down on Baker after a rep and someone's claiming that's a report, how do we think Diggs is supposed to respond to that?
00:32:26
Savage Boston
You think he's going like, yeah, I really did need to give him a ah quick talk. Like, no, he's going to be like, this kid's working hard. So, um i don't know, Bryson, don't you give me your thoughts on the whole kind of digs, that that digs drama, if you have any.
00:32:38
Brycen
Hey, buddy, are you are you throwing shade at my wide receiver one? Is that what you're doing right now with Javon Baker? Is that what you're doing? Because I won't have it.
00:32:50
Brycen
I'll leave the podcast right now.
00:32:50
Savage Boston
Never.
00:32:52
Snooty
The man makes people stand up.
00:32:52
Brycen
I'll leave. ah
00:32:54
Savage Boston
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:55
Brycen
i mean, yeah, but but it's it's always going to happen because fan is short for fanatic, as we know.
00:32:56
Savage Boston
That was ridiculous.
00:33:01
Brycen
mean... i mean what you really actually do like to see is that, like you just said, Biggs was like, nah, that didn't happen. Like that's an, ah that's actually a very adult thing to do is, you know, he could have, he could have said something completely stupid, but he didn't, he just stuck up for his guy, which is actually what you want to see.
00:33:11
Savage Boston
yeah
00:33:17
Brycen
So I think that's pretty good. I mean, Polk and Baker to me, they're, they're nothing burgers and we can just ignore the people that continue to prop them up. However, that's, I think that's a very good progress. And I mean, it is what it is. I mean,
00:33:31
Brycen
You see stuff, you say stuff, whatever. It's it's the internet, as we just said. It doesn't matter at all.
00:33:34
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah. thought it was ridiculous. But people like, yeah, anyway. Yeah,
00:33:40
Brycen
like put like Like, I just want to say, like, there's many instances where we you can look on film last year of Polk getting off the snap slower than offensive linemen. And this is not just once or twice.
00:33:51
Savage Boston
yeah.
00:33:52
Brycen
I've seen this.
00:33:52
Savage Boston
yeah
00:33:52
Brycen
This is many times. This is, like, doesn't belong in the NFL type stuff. I know he was a second-round pick, and he showed flashes. But if you can't simply do that, like, I don't know how you get better at that.
00:34:03
Brycen
That's insane to me. So.
00:34:05
Snooty
I don't know what happened to him last year because he didn't look like that in camp. And then all of a sudden they hit the, like partway through the season, he just like imploded. either kind of If it was mental or or what, I don't know.
00:34:16
Savage Boston
think it's real mental.
00:34:17
Brycen
Do we blame it on Instagram?
00:34:19
Savage Boston
Just blame it on the IG. I think he he truly was – he truly like – everyone's saying it was mental. I don't know. Like there's no injury or reports. He basically like had some sort of – not necessarily a breakdown, but he didn't grasp the offense. Then he started dropping the football.
00:34:35
Savage Boston
And it's like he just got got the yips, man. I don't know. I've never – you don't see it that often. But but again, here's my point with this. There's not a lot of wide receivers – wide receivers that come out and have 80 yards and are statistically like the worst wide receiver in football that develop into like great options.
00:34:52
Savage Boston
That doesn't happen that often. That's a really unique scenario. I don't know if you could throw out anyone, you know, that starts off horribly and really progresses to be amazing. I mean, you could use an example, for instance, of like Julian Edelman, who really was a special teamer.
00:35:07
Savage Boston
And then he progressed into a great option.
00:35:07
Brycen
Yeah, but he kind of flashed, though. kind of flashed early, though. That's the thing.
00:35:12
Savage Boston
He flashed, and he was extremely athletic. I mean, Edelman, people don't give him credit for how fast slash quick he was, his three cones, whatever. But a very quick player. But anyway, so, you know, i think Polk,
00:35:27
Savage Boston
I think he will probably get cut. I think it's more than likely him and Baker get cut. Baker still has a lot of talent, but that still doesn't answer the question of his, of again, same with both of them mentally.
00:35:38
Savage Boston
What's going on there? Can they handle the load? Can they handle the offense? Anyone can run a fucking go route. Like, can you can you handle it? Can they learn the offense? And some guys can't, and especially McDaniel's reputation is, you know, people struggle with his offense.
00:35:53
Savage Boston
And, you know, versus someone like Pop Douglas, who, judging by camp, is really succeeding so far, and he looks awesome. So, i know, you got to just put the best players on the field, man. You know, people can keep bitching about, you know, their their favorite guy and they who they think is going to develop, but you got to put the best pieces out there.
00:36:12
Snooty
One thing, McDaniel's offense, it is intricate, but I personally feel like some of that's overblown because by the time, by the end of Brady when he was here, like, yeah, it was, you know, incredibly intricate and incredibly diverse because Brady had spent 20 years with, what, three offensive coordinators basically,
00:36:32
Snooty
ah you know, kind of refining and adding stuff and making things more intricate and more complex.
00:36:35
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:36:37
Snooty
Like I, I would imagine, and I would hope that you're not just going to start day one with like, you know, advanced shit. You're going to start with kind of more of the basic principles and kind of build out from there.
00:36:48
Snooty
you're going to modify it with, you know, what you have. So I don't know, that might be a little bit overblown, the intricate thing.
00:36:57
Savage Boston
mean, what I think you've seen already from from camp a little bit is some better just ah better play design. I'd say that first and foremost. like Already the play design is better.
00:37:08
Savage Boston
um Today there was a Pop Douglas touchdown where there was like a heavy like three on the left side, and he ran like this like out and in, and it was like a wide open underneath touchdown. and like That's classic shit. That's like classic Edelman shit.
00:37:21
Savage Boston
You know, and that's what you need, man.
00:37:22
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:37:23
Savage Boston
Like you need that security blanket player. And I think I wish that's pop. I hope that's pop. You know, you, you want that. And that that's what makes the offense go. And, uh, he's also, you know, McDaniels reportedly telling Drake, you got to take the check down.
00:37:36
Savage Boston
That's been well reported. You got to take yards, take check down, you know, get, get positive yards are better than a negative place. So, uh, even if it's four or five yards, so I, I like where they're, where they're heading with that.
00:37:48
Savage Boston
Um, Just to briefly, I don't want to keep everyone too long tonight, but just briefly to touch on, um just touching on the defense really quick because we haven't really talked about it much.
Defensive Standouts and Comparisons
00:37:57
Savage Boston
But when I was down there on Saturday, I thought the guy that jumped off the page, right, jumped out to me was Robert Spillane.
00:38:03
Snooty
Thank you.
00:38:04
Savage Boston
um He had two back-to-back pass breakups, um and he he almost picked off one by Drake where he dove. And I don't know, just think he's going to be like a fan favorite and just a tremendous defensive player. so how are you guys feeling so far about the the defense? Bryson, why you give me your thoughts?
00:38:25
Savage Boston
Hello. I think Bryson, do we lose Bryson? We might have. Snooty, why give me your thoughts? of Bryson, Bryson, I think Bryson dropped off.
00:38:33
Snooty
ah I mean, I'll be the first to admit I wasn't really aware of who Spillane was, but everything I've seen, everything I've heard, it seems like a good fit.
00:38:39
Brycen
I can hear it.
00:38:44
Snooty
um Seems like, you know, all the reporting about his character and the type of player that he is in the locker room, you know, It's obviously a very good sign and something that was sorely needed. I mean, ah just I don't know if people remember, but like they lost Juwan Bentley week two last year and their linebacker room just basically imploded.
00:39:03
Snooty
Like just nothing, just gone. And you're like, you know, Juwan Bentley can't be the linchpin of your defense. No disrespect to Juwan Bentley. But, you know, so you need a depth there. i think they have... improved depth and an improved talent across the board. They've, they've had pretty good safety play for the past few years.
00:39:19
Snooty
I really liked their depth at corner. If, if Davis can get healthy and obviously Gonzalez comes back, um, I worry about up the middle defensively up front.
00:39:22
Savage Boston
you
00:39:30
Snooty
Um, you know It's still a projection, Milton Williams, being an every-down player. He hasn't done that in the past, so it'll be interesting to see how he handles that you know increase in in and play throughout the season. Hopefully doesn't wear down, hopefully doesn't become less explosive, etc.
00:39:51
Snooty
Barmore, I think they're taking it easy with Barmore, which is nice, because you want to ease him back into it. You don't want to rush him back like they did last year, not to keep shitting on the what they did last year. Um, but they don't have a lot of beef up front in the middle.
00:40:03
Snooty
Um, you mean, I think bar more sound only like three Oh five switches.
00:40:06
Savage Boston
Tonga is what their biggest guy is like 330 or something.
00:40:09
Snooty
Right. But you know, they don't have a ton, but if they're going to be a fast, aggressive, penetrating style, you can get away with that. Um, but you have to be, you have to be effective, obviously.
00:40:19
Savage Boston
Yeah. Bryson, we got you back.
00:40:22
Brycen
Yeah, I'm here. yeah i i like
00:40:23
Savage Boston
All right. How do you feel about the defense Bryson?
00:40:26
Brycen
I like what you guys are saying, um but as you know, I i prefer a different style of defense and offense. So when I look at this defense, it's kind of built exactly how you would want to build a modern defense.
00:40:37
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:40:38
Brycen
Like I know there is a little bit of a concern about like up the middle stuff, but to me in the modern NFL situation,
00:40:42
Snooty
to me.
00:40:45
Brycen
the more damaging thing is obviously the pass at this point. So I do really like, and I'm going to write about this, but this defense does remind me of the 2014 Patriots defense in a lot of ways. Gonzo's a lockdown elite corner.
00:41:00
Brycen
And in a lot of ways, Carlton Davis is one of those streaky guys like Brandon Browner that you can throw out there, a veteran guy. Then you have Peppers, who's awesome. Like, to say that I was so shocked at how good he was when he joined the Patriots. I knew he's a good player, but he is so fast. And and Kyle Duggar in the middle, like the team is just really built for modern NFL passing defense to me. So that's, I really do prefer this. And as think we were talking about it earlier, but Spillane's an extremely fast player who's smart too. Like,
00:41:32
Brycen
They really do have, to me, all of the makings of if you're in the playoffs, you can win games with this defense. And that's all you need. like You don't need them to be the 2015 Broncos. You don't need them to be like the 85 Bears. You just need them to get a couple stops and get some turnovers and hopefully your offense is more than solid. And I think that's exactly what they're going to be. I'm actually really excited about
00:41:53
Savage Boston
Yeah, man, I agree. Totally. I think they're, I just think it's a better, It's a better roster. It's a better defense than a lot of people give him credit for.
Future of Drake May
00:42:02
Savage Boston
I think the offense is going to be better than people give him credit for.
00:42:06
Savage Boston
And as we know, man, it all rolls, all starts with Drake may. And if Drake develops, and becomes a guy that we think he can. And it's going to take a few years. It's not just this year, but all you need is development and he's got all the tools. And I think in this, this is not a crazy take. I think he's a top 10 quarterback by the end of the season.
00:42:24
Savage Boston
I think guys will look at him and say, this kid's got it. And I, and I think it's going to go that way. And I would be really surprised actually, if it didn't go that way, he's still only what, like 21 years old or something like he's a 22 years old, whatever.
00:42:36
Savage Boston
He's a young kid.
00:42:36
Snooty
we Yeah.
00:42:38
Savage Boston
and And he's got a ton of growing to do. He still hasn't had nearly the same amount of starts as like Jaden Daniels or or Caleb Williams. I mean, Jaden Daniels started like fucking 55 games in college.
00:42:49
Savage Boston
Like no one talks about that shit. He came, of course he's more polished. He's like 26 years old with 55 starts and three teams or whatever. Right. So um for Drake, he's got everything you want him to have.
00:42:59
Savage Boston
And yeah, man, we got to see where it goes. I'm stoked for, um I'm stoked for the scrimmage. We got the season ticket holder scrimmage on Friday, which means snooty are going to head down to.
00:43:10
Savage Boston
So that'll be blast. And yeah, just really interested where they're going to go with it. So any final thoughts from you guys, Bryson, before we sign off? Anything else you want to contribute?
00:43:21
Brycen
No, I just want to say thank you guys a lot for having me. It's interesting to talk ball with you guys. I feel like I'm really warming up this offseason because I've been more of a casual fan the last couple of years. Like I've been so despondent and hurt by everything, like the Gerard Meo saga. and Really being ahead of most everyone, like, hey, this is not right.
00:43:39
Brycen
And then everyone yelling at you and then you end up being right.
00:43:40
Savage Boston
man.
00:43:41
Brycen
And no one says, hey, congratulations for being right. But um blank slate, I'm excited. I'm happy to talk football with you guys. I'll come back any time. I do appreciate Hopefully we can have some spaces.
00:43:50
Savage Boston
yeah man
00:43:52
Brycen
And and I enjoyed the podcast. And let's go Patriots. We're running the Super Bowl, actually. That's what I want to say.
00:43:57
Snooty
Thank
00:43:59
Savage Boston
Love it, dude. i actually, you know, really quick, I will say that you were right. And a lot of guys were right. And, you know, like lot of guys had takes that were right all the time and takes her a wrong.
00:44:10
Savage Boston
Right. and I think versus, you know the Mac Jones versus happy debate, I found to be the most depressing thing ever because you obviously didn't believe in either quarterback.
00:44:15
Brycen
Oh gosh.
00:44:17
Savage Boston
They both sucked.
00:44:18
Snooty
get
00:44:18
Savage Boston
And we're like, these aren't, like, why are we doing this to ourselves? and we're like, you idiots, it's Zappy, Zappy hour.
00:44:25
Brycen
Yes.
00:44:25
Savage Boston
And it's just, it was depressing. Like that was to me, the bottom of the bottom was not just Mayo and his idiocy with with things he said every single week, but really Jones and Zappy, like, you know, turd sandwich versus whatever the fuck, you know?
00:44:39
Savage Boston
So I think that was the bottom for me. ah but, Happy to have you back, and and hopefully we just get some – yeah, more positivity, man. But, you know, we'll we'll see how it goes. Snooty, you got any final thoughts?
00:44:52
Snooty
Uh, just that I'm, I'm, I hope people have realistic expectations for this team because it's going to make it far more enjoyable. Like they're not going to the Superbowl. So like, you know what I mean? Like, but be building from last year. Like that's what you, I know it's year five or six or whatever it is post Brady, but like, it's not year five with Vrabel. It's year one with Vrabel.
00:45:13
Savage Boston
I mean, in all seriousness, if you win nine games this year, don't you have to say like that was a wild success?
00:45:13
Snooty
like
00:45:17
Snooty
Yeah. That's a massive win.
00:45:19
Savage Boston
I mean, so dead serious.
00:45:19
Snooty
Yeah.
00:45:20
Brycen
Yes.
00:45:20
Savage Boston
so You have to be like, shit, that's five more fucking wins than the last year.
00:45:21
Brycen
Yes.
00:45:24
Snooty
That's one more win than they won the last two years combined.
00:45:27
Savage Boston
Yeah, it's crazy.
00:45:27
Snooty
You know what I mean? That's the realistic expectation for me. Look, be in the hunt down the stretch.
00:45:31
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:45:34
Snooty
you know Beat the really bad teams. Lose to the really good teams. And maybe steal a game somewhere.
00:45:39
Savage Boston
And, of course, if they if they do end up winning like the first game, I'll be on Twitter saying they're going to the Super Bowl. All
00:45:44
Snooty
Yeah, 17-0.
00:45:46
Brycen
and
00:45:46
Savage Boston
right, guys. Thanks for coming on. appreciate the time. Bryson, don't sign off yet. I'm going to wait for the audio to upload. All right. Peace out.