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Women NEED Other Women - Interview with Sandy + Olivia from The WandHer Podcast! - Episode 39
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Today, Beth and Ayla had the AMAZING opportunity to chat with the amazing ladies over at WandHer, Sandy and Olivia. WandHer is a community driven podcast for likeminded women, where they chat about all things creativity, self discovery, and community. Today, the 4 of us talked about the power of female friendships, and how irreplaceable and magical they can be. Even if you have the best husband in the world, we believe you also should keep the amazing women in your life around. We talked about female friendships through time, how we navigate friendships as adults now, and encouraged each other to step outside the box, and to pursue female friendships worth keeping.
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Introduction and Guest Presentation
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Today on The Art of Intention, we got the chance to have two amazing guests on the show. We spoke with Sandy and Olivia from the Want Her podcast, a podcast that encourages female friendship, creativity, and being unapologetically you.
The Power of Female Friendships
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We talked about the power of female friendships, the importance of cultivating and keeping good female friendships, and the science behind why they're so important. We ended up having the most amazing conversation that we're honestly literally still fanning over, so this is one you definitely don't want to miss.
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Welcome to the Art of Intention podcast with Beth and Ayla. Two best friends turn creative entrepreneurs. This is a place for us to discuss everything business friendships and faith and occasionally more. We're so excited for today's episode. We think you're going to love it. Stay tuned.
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All right. Hello, everyone. We are here with Sandy and Olivia, the host of the Want Her podcast. It's a female encouragement and empowerment podcast. And today we're here to talk about all things friendships.
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So if you guys want to just go ahead, the way we like to start things is whoever wants to go first can go first and just tell us a little bit about yourselves and what you do. As little or as much as you want to share personal business, just say hello to the Art of Intention audience.
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Amazing. Olivia's pointing at me. Okay, I'll go.
Guest Backgrounds and Experiences
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Hello, I am Sandy. I am also a photographer, business owner, multi passionate girlie here. And we also have a podcast. So me and Olivia, my bestie and we're really excited to be on here. Amazing. Love it.
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And I'm Olivia. So we're long distance besties, Sandy and I. So very similar to the vibe of this podcast, we do all of our recordings long distance. And I live out of an RV with my husband and my two dogs. I've been traveling the country the last three years as a traveling nurse trying to get out of that now doing more like creative stuff, photography and stuff like that too. But happy to be here.
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Oh, amazing. So happy to have you guys. Yeah, it's been so fun seeing you guys. I've been able to kind of watch the podcast like take off and just hear the kinds of people that you have on and the stories you share. If anyone hasn't been over to the Wanher page, you'll definitely want to check it out. Just like amazing, amazing stuff you guys are doing. You're so sweet. Always encouraging me for sure.
00:02:32
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Love it. It's been so fun. I feel like just like meeting so many women through it has been so amazing. I'm sure you guys feel the same way. Yeah. Well, yeah. And that's what's so inspiring to me about watching you guys is just, yeah, you bring in so many people and you're just always, it's just, you're exactly what you say you are. You're a female encouragement community. And it's so like, it's encouraging just watching what you do and hearing your conversations.
00:02:58
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anyways super just fangirling over here don't mind me yeah we're actually so stoked and we've been trying to step up like our guest game over here so
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part of the reasons we wanted to sit down with you guys was like forever ago Beth was talking about like the importance and value behind female friendships and like woman to woman friendships and how like something about that connection is just irreplaceable and like we can't speak for everyone but we just think like quality hangout time with your like-minded just female friends is such a mood booster it's so irreplaceable and
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like a whole reason for that. And when it comes down to it, we think women really just need other women when we navigate this crazy life. And so I guess I'll jump off into my first question. I'll see where it takes us. I guess you guys agree with that overall. Like what do you guys think of when you think like woman to woman friendships? Amazing. Um, it like,
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Olivia and I, so Olivia and I connected at a photography workshop that was four years ago now, four and a half. And we instantly connected and it's been so amazing, even long distance, to grow that bond and just to have someone that you can rely on, tell absolutely anything to and have no judgment at all is amazing.
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Yeah. And if I can share like just a little bit of a tidbit, I feel like my whole kind of perspective on female friendships has changed a lot since I left my hometown. And for my stents and my traveling nurse contracts would be like three months at a time. So I really wouldn't have that time to get to know a lot of people. So relying on my phone
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instead of face-to-face interaction has been really hard, but that's why I'm super, super grateful because I know in a friend like Sandy and my childhood best friend that I'm gonna get a text message at least three or four times a week. Sandy and I have a Snapchat streak that's over a year long now, which I feel is huge for millennials. I get younger people have that, but I told Colton that the other day. I was like, guess how many days? And he's like,
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I was like, bro, you are not even close. That was a child's
Maintaining Friendships in a Nomadic Lifestyle
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number. No. You have no idea. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, I love hearing that. That's so good. I feel like I'd be the worst three months at a time.
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the listeners on our side know that but I made a big move a couple years ago from my hometown in California to Canada and even just now still I'm finally starting to like put myself out there and try to connect with like girls I work with the wives of like my husband's friends and stuff and it's like been a little while and I just want to know why it took that long like I'm very much a whole body and stuff and I bet a lot of people can relate so like three months at a time I probably just like I don't know I want to really have to be intentional about that cultivating those friendships so for sure imagine
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Yeah, I almost would kind of make myself invisible, because I'm the kind of person that like, I don't want surface level friendship. I don't know if you guys are familiar with like Enneagram four, but that's like, most to level 100. So like, I want those deep relationships. So it was almost kind of hard to put myself out there. So that's why I'm saying like, I would rely on my phone a lot, because I already know I have those really deep relationships. But now
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We're trying to plant roots in Southern Utah. And so I'm like, we don't know a single soul here. So I'm like on Bumble BFF. I've never been on dating apps before. Like my husband and I met in college and now I'm on like a friend dating app and it's very weird. It's weird. Yeah. That's awesome though. Okay. Well weird, but like, is it going well? I mean, I mean, do you think it's going to be good?
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Yeah, I've met one girl on it. And we've gotten together to hike and have coffee and stuff. And we're super similar. So I'm really happy that that happened right away. But it's just weird because I don't know. Because of my history with dating and
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my husband, it was just like, oh, right away we're a fit. It's good. It's golden. So I never was on any dating app. So this weird, like, I don't feel like this is a fit. Do I need to message back? Like I feel really bad essentially ghosting people. So yeah.
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That's been weird to maneuver. Yeah, unfamiliar territory for sure. For sure. I've never even thought of that. I didn't know that was a thing for just like friendship. Yeah. I also enjoyed it when we lived in like the southern part of Wisconsin and I didn't have any luck from it because I was
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Just like, I didn't put myself out there and I felt like, okay, uh, this is a pickup line. What am I supposed to say? Oh, total side note. Have you guys ever, have you tried a Facebook groups in your area? I don't know if you guys have that in your area, but here a really great way to get connected really fast to friends. There's an Oahu girlfriends group. It's just friends.
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and it's so amazing literally if you're new to the area or even if you've been here for years you've never heard of it you just joined the group and anytime someone's going on a hike or swimming or what going on for coffee they just say who wants to join and then people can just comment and so many friendships come out of that so facebook groups you can also create one
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Sorry, going off on it. Yeah, I love this. It's a great one too. It's kind of like, I think it's very similar to like the friend dating apps, but it's just like a constant group and it's like a big group chat. And it's just really nice because you can kind of get to know everybody and hang on the sidelines unless you want to do something and then just do one thing every once in a while until you get more comfortable. Exactly. So that's amazing. Those are great.
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I thought about starting one for like group hiking and stuff, but I just don't know. I know, but being in that like leader position of like, yeah, I don't know if I would necessarily do well with that, but we're toying with the idea.
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I think you should. I got my vote, too. I think it would be cool. You could always put other admins in charge. You could start it, and then the person who's most active would be like, hey, you want to be mad. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see.
00:09:23
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Well, this is a question that I didn't write down, but you talking about that intrigued me. So this is a question I guess for Olivia. I know this just from listening to the pod, but it'd be fun if you shared, are you guys, I've heard you guys are planning. I don't know how far it is in the works, but I was telling Beth about it before we hopped on the call, but your little like Airbnb in Utah dream.
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Sounds amazing. And it just you guys talking about the group kind of reminded me of that. Is there anything about that you want to share at all? Just like, it might fit in with what we're talking about. I don't know. But I think it's a wonderful idea. So I just wanted to tell the listeners about it. Sure. I'll vent about it. It's been in the works for like
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Gosh, I think we started talking about it the summer of 2021. It was originally Colton's idea. And then I just put my claws into it. I was like, I want to get out of nursing. I want to do something more creatively and intentional. And I was like, how could it not work? This is so aligned with what I like and what I feel like I would feel super fulfilled by, because that's an issue I've had with nursing. I just don't feel that way.
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Which
Sharing Dreams with Supportive Friends
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sounds backward because you're like caring for other people and that feels weird but like I have always been like I want to care for them emotionally and I feel like that's more reflective in like the relationships I have and how I would communicate with them. So this kind of ties everything together because it has that like outdoor aspect and like I don't want to say hosting but like I almost want to make it feel that way when someone shows up or it's like not just an empty place where they're gonna stay.
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So it's been a long journey and a frustrating one. We've been here since the end of August and I really thought things would be like bought and up and coming and the market. I mean, I don't know if you guys are like looking at things right now, but it's absolutely not so. And we are looking at a plot of land, but it's quite a bit further than what we thought. Cause I wanted like my absolute dream would be like, it's down the street. So I could go pop in and like,
00:11:26
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have set up little picnics and stuff and then take pictures, which I still would like to if guests would want to, but it would be quite a haul for me to do that. So I'm trying to see the brighter side of things where it's like, oh, okay, it would be in between both Bryce and Zion instead of closer to St. George, just the big town in Southern Utah. So we'll see. We haven't pulled the trigger on it yet, but I think with it being in a higher
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high desert area. We may do like one of those like A-frame little cabin situations if this one works out. So we'll see. But if it does happen, we plan on sharing a lot about that online and stuff. So I appreciate you guys like all the good vibes coming my way because it's been such a long time coming. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It sounds awesome. Yeah. I want to stay. Yeah. We might be we might be visiting. Yeah. That would be amazing.
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Well, and Beth and I have shared our dreams too of like, it's, it's very much not in the works for anytime soon. But like, Beth's a photographer. And then I do photo editing. And we're both just again, super multi passionate creative thinkers and doing like a I'm in Canada. So doing like a Banff workshop, hike hangout thing. So yeah, all all of that stuff is is so so fun. Yeah.
00:12:47
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And it's just so fun to be able to talk with people about it. And it gets you so excited. I don't know. I find, at least for me, when I have an idea, I'm so selective with who I share it with. Because I feel like if you tell the wrong person, it can kill it. And even if you don't think it will, just in your heart, I think it can sometimes. So it's always nice to talk to somebody who will encourage you and be like, I love that idea.
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So yes, Sandy, Sandy and I's relationship to a T like whenever somebody presents something, they're like, I feel like you should this is meant to be like, you're gonna have success. It's hilarious. Like I could say, I want to shave my head or something and she'd be like, Oh my gosh, yes, I can't believe you're just bringing this up now.
00:13:28
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I've been thinking about that for you. Yeah. That's awesome. I did that at the beginning of 2023. So this is like what's known out. And it was exactly, it was actually my husband who he's been hyping me up for it for years. And then like, I like, they're just a big change at the end of 2022 and worked from home for a couple of months. So I was like, if now's the time, if it's awful, I'll just hide. And so this is amazing. I'm just saying it's crazy.
00:13:56
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I love that. It was awesome. It was great. Oh yeah. And that's the same way. It's just like everything looks great. But the funny thing is I actually feel that though. Like I think so many people would think like, Oh, is that fake? It's like, no, it's not. Like I literally, there hasn't been anything that she's done that I've been like, felt like I've had to lie about. I've never had to be like, Oh, that's so great. And then I'm like, not feeling that. Like, no, cause you'll say, you'll say, if it's like, you'll be like,
00:14:26
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I think that wasn't the best idea in my opinion. But no, it's just, yeah. I don't know. I think we just get each other.
00:14:34
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Yeah. We do seem like just in the couple of minutes that we've interacted with each other, I feel like our friendships kind of mirror each other.
Ebb and Flow of Friendships
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Like Beth, you remind me of Sandy, even like the blonde and glasses going on right now. No, mine are for seeing, actually. Yeah, actually for seeing. Mine just, I'm blinded to that.
00:15:01
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Oh, okay. Yes, you too? Great. Yeah. I'll jump roughly into question. No, this is amazing. I had like the loosest structure for this because I just totally wanted to see where it went. That's how we are too. Like just hang out and chat and just hype each other up. I love it. Oh, it's the best. It's so refreshing for us too. Yeah. Oh, so, so great.
00:15:27
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The next like segue, I kind of want to go into, I guess the next question so far. Have you guys ever, Olivia, you kind of touched on this, but have you guys ever had a period of your lives where you maybe didn't have as many or any female friendships, maybe your contact with friends was low, and did you notice it affecting you in any way? And I know Beth and I can probably share on this, but definitely want to hear from you guys. Yeah.
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Lib, do you want to go first? Uh, sure. I mean, I feel like I'm in that right now. I feel like I've been in that for a few years and I didn't expect it to hit me quite as hard as it had. I don't know. I originally started like an Instagram page to share all about our travels because it was like really exciting for me. And I thought that would kind of be like an avenue for a text message from certain people to just be like, Oh my gosh, you did this super cool. Like, I don't know. It just sounds like a really easy, like,
00:16:24
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shift into a conversation if you wanted to reach out. And I've had a lot of friendships kind of grow apart in the last couple years than I expected. And it's like, I hate to say that it has affected my view of my self-worth, but that's been a huge thing that I've been struggling with in therapy and just trying to like push past that. I get that like, we're all in that age where certain things like that happen. But I think I value super close female friendships
00:16:54
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so, so much because I grew up with brothers. So when I had that connection with another girl that can relate, I was like, Oh my gosh, this is the tops. Like even with my husband, obviously the closest person that I have in my life on a day to day basis physically. And we talk about this all the time when we're in our couples therapy sessions where it's like,
00:17:14
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If I just want to vent to him, I think it's a natural male thing to jump into this, like, how can I fix it? And that's not what I want. Like I want to feel heard and validated first. And I think that's a special thing that like girls get that guys do not. I don't want to feel like he's giving me a fix. I want to feel heard. And I think that's really, really special with girls because we just get it and we know that we want to feel validated. And I don't know.
00:17:41
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Sandy, do you have that with Alex or do you guys have that with your significant others? It's a constant thing that comes up in our relationship.
00:17:50
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Yeah, exactly. I feel like, yes, I love my relationship with Alex, my husband. But it's like, he's like, about things I care about, or I just overthink. That's my biggest thing. I overthink everything. And then he's like, Sandy, you're overthinking it. He doesn't get as deep or emotional, I feel like, as women do. And I
00:18:13
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I feel like that's common with most men. They just don't get as deep and emotional. And I want that. But I'm happy to have it with Olivia.
00:18:25
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And along with the question of when you didn't have as many women friends, I feel like that time for me was the transition from high school to college. So now that was quite a while ago for me. But I feel like everything was changing at that time.
00:18:49
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you know, you weren't seeing your friends every single day anymore. And like, that was a really hard time for me. But now we moved back closer to my hometown. So I feel like I'm gaining those friendships back. So yeah, that's so good. No, I'm in a similar boat. Like my husband, Christa, we've always been like besties. Like we were really, really good friends before we got married and like, have always been able to talk about everything. And I think we were lucky, like,
00:19:14
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when we first got married we just watched a lot of sermons and stuff and we had like one premarital counseling session just about like communication and how to talk and it kind of set us up for a lot so he's always known that he'll want to fix and I don't always want to fix but it's still sometimes that moment I'll have to explain like I actually talked to him about my business a lot in photo editing and I'll say like oh like this thing about my computer's bugging me whatever and he'll be like well should we do this this and this and I'm like no it's nothing that's fixable I'm just talking about it
00:19:42
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And like, no, that definitely comes up all the time. And I also think sometimes, yeah, he'll be so rational. It's kind of like what we were talking about earlier about having like dreams and big ideas. Like I'll say all those and I'll be like, well, how would you do this and this? And I'm like, I don't know. I just, I'm just thinking about it, you know, words. Yeah. Like Beth and I will chat. We'll be like,
00:20:02
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let's do it everything's possible you know and like both of that your life's really good and i think that's like where it comes in like the encouragement and like the irrational for for sure but yeah like when i first got up here it was pretty much chris and i against the world which is super great and then i started working i worked part time just as a barista doing coffee and i met all these new girls there who were just wonderful and i just got to like talk to them in a different
00:20:27
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wait like we just can talk about like the silly little girl things we do and I don't have to hear about how it's like irrational or anything like that and I was like oh this is super sweet so that's been new as of like lately but yeah I love that yeah so I think I basically relate to all of that like everything you guys were saying I think for me I didn't realize how much they meant to me until I didn't have them like I think it was
00:20:50
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like you Olivia saying like you feel like you'd be fine like wouldn't really be affected by not having as many like female friendships or even just for me it was like friendships in general i was like i just need like one good friend and then i had that in chad because we went to college together and um it wasn't until i started getting female friendships again or and also like ayla you and i reconnecting and talking every day again
Challenges of Long-Distance Friendships
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that i was like oh my gosh whoa something has been missing in me in this for me for so much and i get so much of my motivation i think just from hanging out with
00:21:20
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with my girlfriends for like various reasons, not just because you can share your dreams. And like we were saying, they get encouraging about it, but also just, I don't know, it energizes me. And I just feel good about myself. I don't know. Or like you were saying, Ayla too, like being able to vent and it not be, not worrying. Like, Oh, I'm going to, I'm kind of being a burden. I'm complaining. Cause I think sometimes guys see that as like, Oh, you're complaining. You're complaining at me or something like that. And it's just nice to be able to vent and it's totally understood. So.
00:21:45
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Yeah, yeah, I forgot to touch on that too like with moving and I'm sure like all of you guys get it like moving kind of taught me a lot too as far as and sometimes it's hard but like friendships to kind of like the ones to maintain and then the ones that fade and like that's kind of okay like I was surprised by the ones that faded and I was like
00:22:03
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I don't know like it does take work to maintain them and then some faded and I was like I don't think either of us need to put that work in anymore like I think that's just like a time that's close if I visit home and you want to get coffee that's all great but like I've got one friend so sweet we don't
00:22:18
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text every day but she had her first kid a little over a year ago and she's about to have her second and she mails me like physically in the mail all of their like announcements and like birthday invitations and I was like I don't know if you understand how like included that makes me feel like obviously I can't go to them but she was like I just want to mail you these so that you're like involved and I was like oh my gosh like that oh that's really sweet
00:22:41
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Yeah, that meant so much to me because it takes both parties to like maintain the friendship. And sometimes I can be the worst at it. So little things like that. I don't know. Just really went a long way. Oh, sorry. I was going to say, oh, no, sorry. I was actually going to ask that made me think of a question if I can ask Olivia and Sandy.
00:22:57
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Do you guys have any tips for, cause your friendship is long distance. So do you have any like tips for maintaining a long distance friendship specifically? Because you know, sometimes you just bond with someone and it's just so unfortunate that they can't be near you. So yeah, do you have any tips for that?
00:23:13
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I feel like, you know, thoughts on that. Just us like checking in with each other. I feel like it's so huge. Like, hey, how are you doing today? And like, just even our random Snapchats that will send each other. It's just like, I don't know. You're thinking of each other and like that makes it. Yeah.
00:23:33
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I think it's pretty interesting for me because Sandy and I have always, always been long distance. So we don't really know any different. So we've kind of come out of the gate being like, if we want to maintain this, which I know we both do, then we have to put in the work. But then also my childhood best friend, like I met her when I was like 11 or 12 and we were close, like
00:23:55
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geographically per se, but we didn't go to the same high school. So there was a little bit of distance there. When you think back to when you were that age, it felt a lot bigger than what it really was. So I feel like that kind of set me up for even learning how to maintain that kind of friendship. So I think, I mean, I don't want to toot my own horn, obviously, but I feel like I'm really intentional about maintaining those relationships if I feel like I get that in return. I have a hard time.
00:24:25
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kind of letting go and I feel like, okay, how many strikes do I give this person? Am I taking things too personal? Because at the end of the day, I really have a strong stance where it is not that hard to send a text message. Just send a Snapchat. Social media almost sucks too because you can potentially see these people posting and stuff.
00:24:49
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Okay, like I sent you a text message a month ago, but like that's fine. Glad you're doing well. I don't know like it's just been really interesting for me. Yeah, yeah, I completely know I think I can be similar putting in the effort like yes I'll do it on my own time quite a few times reaching out and then yeah after after a few if the nothing's coming back I'm like okay your turn and if it kind of fades sometimes to a fault maybe but yeah like
00:25:17
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It can be really exhausting and a little heartbreaking sometimes when it's like constantly your side. Exactly. Even in person. Yeah, just setting things up in person. But yeah, that's, and again, I think I used to think that was a bad thing about me. But later on, I've just been like, I think that's very normal to expect it from both. If you had a friendship that like was close together, maybe it was always you instigating. And then when that distance came in, it kind of taught you like, oh,
00:25:43
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that was actually like one-sided friendship or something. Maybe it's not that dramatic. That's just in my experience, but yeah. I haven't even thought about like reflecting when you were closer if you were still the one like doing it and you just didn't realize like
00:25:58
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My light bulb just went off. Yeah, yeah. It can be kind of hard, a hard lesson to learn, like you said. Yeah. It can be hard to figure that out. Yeah. Yeah. I also think, I don't know if this is going to be a different subject altogether, but the age that we're all right now, it is so weird and awkward to even make new friendships. Yeah.
00:26:21
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now moving to a new place and kind of being like, okay, this is it for now. We're going to see what we can see. And wanting it so desperately, it almost makes me like, I don't know if I come across this way or I just feel that I do or I have this energy where it's like, I so want community here. So am I freaking people out that maybe live here? And they're just like, whoa, she's a lot.
00:26:44
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No. Oh my gosh. For you and Liv. Exactly. That's what I was going to say. I was just going to say, I find myself at this age, in this stage of life, just chasing so hard the ones that work immediately and work really well. And the other ones, it's maybe fun. Maybe we go and do one hike together. Maybe we go to coffee once and I'm still going to be cordial and nice, but just the ones like the very couple.
00:27:07
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that have actually worked really well. I'm just chasing those and it's been reciprocated. And I'm just, I'm trying to, I guess I'm just trying to accept that. I think at this age, we're just not going to have as many, um, or they're going to be like, what is the word for it? I can't put like the situational friendships where it's like, if you're in this, if you're a photographer, you have your photographer friends and then when you're at work, you have your work friends and like, yeah, I don't know. It's just a weird balance. I feel like we're having to relearn what friendships are, but I think it'll be okay.
00:27:34
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Because when you're a kid on the playground, it's just like, hey, do you want to play? And that's it. Friendship for life. Done. You know, sometimes in those cases, yeah. Not 100%. And I have a hard time sometimes finding friendships out of like work friends too, like working in food service. Sometimes you find the people you'd want to like go get a drink with after and sometimes it's like bye from all of you. And it just, yeah, it fully depends. Yeah, I've definitely learned that like it's a lot more quality over quantity now at this age. It's like,
00:28:04
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Okay, I'm going to put in the effort into these friendships that
00:28:08
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they also put in the effort and it's reciprocated. I'm also trying to kind of with that, learn the balance. I know we're talking about balance a lot, but there are a couple of friends who are in their own friend group and I'm friends with them individually and they've invited me to some group things, but it's also just weird trying to join a group that I didn't create and I know they're nice and they're fine with me being there and they may want me there, but also trying to figure out, okay,
00:28:37
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When am I trying too hard and like their lack of response, not lack of response because they're responding, but it's like, are they supposed to come and be like, welcome? Like you're part of us now. Or is it going to be a gradual phase in?
Differences in Male and Female Friendships
00:28:51
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I'm trying to figure out when do I, you know, when am I pushing too hard to the wrong group? And when am I just, this is your joining. You need to put in more effort because you are joining. So there's also that weird one that I'm kind of working through too. That's so hard. Yeah.
00:29:05
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I think, yeah, occasionally that's when I think you'll have a little extra effort just like, cause you know, we're talking about equal effort. I think sometimes if you're joining a group, you may be putting a little more in, which is fine. Yeah. But anyways, I feel like for guys, it just happens. Like they get invited to show up and exist and it's so easy. I don't understand it. I feel like I don't know if I'm just married to a bit more of like a weirdo, but like,
00:29:31
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It seems like his interactions with other guys that end up going well, like he just shows the weird side of him like really, really, really quickly. And it's just like, yeah, bro, that's totally it. Yeah. Guys are just goofballs. I think they're more goofballs than we realize. Exactly. And they just, when they group together, like all the fellow goofballs just come out and it's so easy. Like, yeah. Yeah. It's so funny. Chris is similar. He's very like.
00:29:58
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He'll come off as very quiet to most people who ever meet him for the first time. Oh, he's quiet. But then like, our best friends, it's just like rowdy over at our house when everyone's over. And it's the same exact thing. Like, when I he recently we went out with my current boss and her husband, like she and I are friends like outside of work. So we all like went out together. And for Chris, that's not normally his vibe. He'll like stick with the friends he has.
00:30:21
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But then like, yeah, when he just starts telling like the funniest stories and like this one time that he was like drunk somewhere had to get picked up. Like when those stories start coming out right away, I'm like, okay, this is like, this is a good thing. Yes, I love that. But I wish I didn't manner. Yeah, it was a little more easier for
00:30:40
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women. We probably all overthink at times. Exactly. I think that has to be it because Chad will leave a group setting with three new friends and I might leave with one. And again, even then it's like, what? And I think we're overthinking because I was observing, it's so funny we're talking about this because this is a very, something's happening right now with my husband and I.
00:31:03
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So I have had like a really good friend since high school who also lived in Hawaii on a different island anyways, but we were really good friends. We were kind of like touching, you know, reconnecting because, you know, distance and she has a boyfriend. And so we all four like met together and it was my husband and this boyfriend's first time meeting. And literally they got, I thought, okay, it's good. They got along. Good. It wasn't awkward. Great. You know, that was like, from my end, I was like, okay.
00:31:29
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Literally, this guy texts my husband, like, the next day, do you want to go to the gym together? And they didn't even talk about the gym when they were together. So random. They never, like, it's not something they can, my husband doesn't even go to the gym that often. So ever since then, they go to the gym every single Tuesday. They call each other, like, they literally talk to each other more than this girl will do. We joke and say they're dating because they're like always hanging out. They give each other rides everywhere. They talk, they text every day.
00:31:58
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day and it's just like they didn't overthink it. I think that's such a good point. They just, they were like, I have this thing I'm going to do. Why not invite this person? I have no idea if they want to do it. Just going to do it anyways. And then they're so consistent and I'm like, wow, what the heck? Okay. That's amazing. Yeah. I'm inspired by it. So I'm like, I'm just going to be more like, I don't know, just go for it. Exactly. Don't overthink it. Just do it.
00:32:23
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I need to do that. I feel like that's why I was, I mean, attracted is a weird word, but like attracted to Sandy so quickly is because I felt like she has that quality about her versus just herself, no matter what. Like I say that's my favorite thing about her and I'm trying to like pick that up more and more. I feel like, I don't know, I guess I don't know why I overthink because if somebody
00:32:49
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really, really vibes with who I am to a T. Why wouldn't I want to continue that if it seems to be going well? So I don't know why there's a blockage. I think it's just something about being a girl in general. I know Sandy's a girl, but she's at a different level. I'm really not afraid to be myself and just show my goofy side. I love that. Yeah, the workshop. OK, so I said we instantly hit it off at first. Olivia thought I was weird.
00:33:19
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It was like the last night that we really like stayed up till like 3am talking and just really connecting, I guess. So it's, I don't know.
00:33:36
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Well we always say Beth and I are in the same vein too, like we were childhood best friends and we talk kind of about our like origin story and one of the things was we just like never it was again so easy to hang out with each other and we just never were mean to each other we never because sometimes when you're friends at like 11 12 13 as girls it can be very like maybe
00:33:57
Speaker
different groups and you go to each group you're like I actually don't care but I you're my best friend and you're not and like when I finally like we were both the misfits of our group so when we finally connected we were like I have nothing I disabled this person and yet like could just be ourselves like we have
00:34:12
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on the internet, like of just 11, 12, 13 year old us just being so weird and so goofy that the world will never see. And I think that's a huge part of it. And we just never like, you know, we each went through like some hard times or whatever and just knew how to be there for each other without having to say it wasn't like, I need this from you. It was just like, whether they need a distraction or
00:34:33
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or to talk about it or whatever and I think women just have that sense of this is gonna be something lifelong and I know how to treat that like just the sixth sense about that and also sixth sense of this isn't something to pursue I don't know if you guys would also get that but I feel like I know pretty quickly when I meet somebody how it's gonna go everyone always gets a chance but I think I can tell very quickly like this is someone to keep around this is somebody important so yeah
00:35:00
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Yeah, I kind of think so too. The intuition. Yeah. And I think, oh, that's so funny. Kind of what you were saying, Ayla, too. I think sometimes it's just about going back to basics when you're trying to see if you vibe with someone. Just be nice and be yourself. If you've done those two things, everything else is just left up to effort and intuition and all that. And actually, now that you say that, I have kind of a question for you two again.
00:35:24
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Do you think, this is kind of random, and I'm so curious, maybe not. I love it. Would you say that you think science plays a role in our need for human friendships, like female friendships, like biology, hormones, mental health, similar experiences? How much do you think science plays a role in that whole aspect, like everything we're talking about? Yeah. I love that. Liv, you're looking at me. I love that.
00:35:53
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I do think science definitely plays a role, like definitely the mental health aspect side of everything. I feel like in just biology, everything, like just meeting girlfriends and someone that understands you and there's also different perspectives, which can be good and like just someone hearing you out and being there for you. Yeah.
00:36:22
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I think for me, women are just innately more nurturing. And not to be gross, but we all have periods and hormones and stuff. And I think that's an experience that a guy can never even imagine and all of the fluctuations that come with that.
00:36:42
Speaker
And I feel like society has painted that in a bad rap where it's suddenly okay to be like, are you on your period or about to be on your period coming from a guy? And it's like, you don't even have the right to say that to me because you don't get it. And I feel like girls will get it. And they have been there and they have had a really bad like PMSing day or whatever, or they cry for no reason.
00:37:06
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I don't know. I feel like when I have an interaction with the... Yeah, I just like, oh, okay, you've had a bad day and I've been there too type of thing instead of immediately resorting to judgment, I guess. Yeah, so true.
00:37:22
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Yeah, Chris and I will talk about that. He's very aware of like where I am. Like all the time. I just let him know. And there's been the odd time because I've noticed like my emotions go straight to like existential crisis of like how we never made the right decisions. Are we making the right ones now? Do we live in the right place? Has everything been a mistake?
00:37:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's scary, right? Because I take it so seriously every time I'm like, these are real, like feelings to be feeling and they might be but then like, I'll talk to him and I'll be like, I think everything's always been wrong. And there has been times he's like, what day is it? Like, what time is it? I'm like, Oh, I start tomorrow. Okay, so like, that's been okay. We have that communication. But I think yeah, it would drive me berserk. If anytime I was sad, that was the assumption. But it's just like,
00:38:07
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I communicated that to him before. But yeah, I think if anyone, if you weren't that intimate with like had the audacity to say so, that would be wild. 100%. Yeah.
00:38:19
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Beth, actually, you have a really good point that's kind of like right with where we are. So I think you should jump into that. I wasn't sure if we were gonna get here, but I think you should take it away. Oh my gosh. Wait, what point? I love this. I was like, that's great. Were you gonna talk about the red tent? Oh my gosh. Okay. Yes. Wait, give me a minute because, okay. I wanted to share. Started talking about lady things. Absolutely.
00:38:47
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Sorry, I still put you on the spot. I forgot I was gonna bring that up. Leave it to me. Leave it to me. Okay, so basically, this is so so funny. Okay, so I wanted to ask if you guys have ever heard about the book called The Red Tent.
Historical and Biological Aspects of Female Friendships
00:39:03
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It's a historical book about like women and like how much they basically need each other. There's a lot to it. But what I loved about it, and I just want to make sure I'm getting all my facts right with this. So
00:39:13
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You know what, just in advance, if I get something factually inaccurate, I apologize. So if you are listening and you've heard us, just don't get mad at me. But okay, so it's a book about women and it follows a specific woman in history and just the transition of being a young girl to being a woman. And it literally, what I love is it talks about something called the red tent.
00:39:37
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In the past, there used to be these structures, it was literally like a tent, and anytime a woman was on her period, she had to go, or she could go in there, and all the women would take care of her. So basically, throughout every day of the month, there was
00:39:52
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Just a cycle of women in and out of this tent and the older woman would be giving advice it was where yeah it was where like the elders in the community would you get so much advice from women and Obviously be physically taken care of emotionally taken care of and just during that transition Especially like the first few periods, you know But just anytime just all ages are in there and it's just women nurturing women in the most powerful way during their most most vulnerable time Wow
00:40:18
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And I just had never heard that before and the fact that it was like a real thing blew my mind. And I just thought it like how much we've lost that. Like this is why we chase female friendships I think so much because in the past we were so surrounded by community, not just community as we traditionally think of it like family and whatever.
00:40:38
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but like women who like every single type of woman encouraging each other and taking care of each other and I don't know I was wondering if you'd ever heard of that book or that concept but if not just wanted to tell you about it cuz it was so cool yeah I want that now
00:40:55
Speaker
Me too. I know. So blew my mind. So not to fling that on you. Yeah, something else because I took a look into it. I definitely want to order it. Like right away. But yeah, like they spent their menstrual cycle in there. That's where they gave birth and it was all like women around other women. And then that's where they talk about their lives. That's where wisdom, culture,
00:41:19
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like everything was just done and passed down. And as far as I know, like obviously men didn't go in there. And it was just, I don't know, Beth told me about that. And I think it's so beautiful to think about and just so, yes, I can't think of anything like that in modern times really other than like maybe women's like groups or something or just friendship. But like, I just can't think of anything like that where it's actually set up as a place to like process all of that stuff. So. Exactly. That's amazing. I want to do that.
00:41:47
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Seriously. I'm going to live there. I know. I love it. Yes, my husband could be so sweet when I'm at that time of month. But also, it's like he doesn't understand. And right now, I'm pregnant, seven months pregnant. So this is all new to me. And I have been leaning on my sisters and my friends who've also gone through pregnancy.
00:42:11
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so much because I'm like, what is happening to my body, basically. So I wish I had that right now. Yeah, exactly. It's actually was one of our reasons we wanted to do this episode was because that was so much of our inspiration. We're like, what is this? It's just so mind blowing. Like what was that? Just reading more into it. I'm just like became obsessed with it.
00:42:33
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And it's inspiring and kind of also lets me know, like anytime we're feeling like we want to chase female groups and friendships, like there's a reason for that. And it's a good thing and it's the right thing to do. So anyways. That's amazing. I'm definitely going to order that book for sure. Have a little mini book club, text each other later. I'm down. I got a Kindle for Christmas. Let's go. Love it. So fun. Perfect.
00:43:02
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Yeah, I had something good, it blew away. I hate that. I have a mom and an older sister and then all of my brothers are married and there's lots of kids in our families I hear a lot about.
00:43:23
Speaker
About like pregnancy all that stuff and it's almost just to the point where whenever Chris and I decide to take that step I'm like this close to only requesting Female nurses and doctors and it's not because I don't trust the male doctors you've gone through this But I'm like you you literally you already don't know what it feels like on a day-to-day
00:43:40
Speaker
to be me, let alone birth and how all that's all changed as more women like get into the medical industry and stuff. And they're learning, oh, like, actually, this isn't comfortable for women. And this is like, it's almost to the point like, yeah, I being fully surrounded by that people who get it, I feel like we feel so safe. And yeah, so true. Interesting.
00:43:59
Speaker
Yeah, I'm really, really looking forward to having that conversation with Sandy the day after she gives birth. What was it like? Tell me all these details. How did you feel in your body? That's a constant conversation on our podcast, too.
00:44:15
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And I'm just so looking forward to hearing it from her perspective. Oh gosh, I am not. I can just wait for that. If I could wake up and just feel like the baby's out of me, I would love that. Oh my goodness. It's going to be OK. Thank you. It's going to be OK. My husband and I were just talking the other day. He was totally joking. But it was like, oh no. During labor, I was like, what are you going to be like?
00:44:40
Speaker
Are you going to be super sweet and like nurturing to me, hopefully? And he's like, no, I'm going to yell at you and say, push, push, Sandy, you got this. And I'm like, no, I need I need calm. I need calm, please. You're like, that's how you get kicked out of the birthing room. Yeah, I will do voice by myself. There's the door. Because like now we're at that stage of like.
00:45:07
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kind of figuring out our birth plan. And I'm like, I want low voices. I want a playlist of low lights. Yes, all things. Call me. Exactly. Yeah, that makes sense. That's fair. I feel like even that concept is newer that it doesn't like in movies and stuff. It's always painted to be so just like
00:45:28
Speaker
intense and like yeah that idea like slow calm we don't have to freak out like it can be and again that nurturing perspective like i think the female brain would get that and i don't know i don't know like what's happened lately where everything has to feel so intense and hard it's like we've done this our whole lives it's things like periods we've done our whole lives it doesn't have to be so scary but like it should be there to help each other for sure yeah exactly let's see i have just a couple
00:45:56
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a couple more things. Yeah, all four of us here have had that experience of having childhood best friends, also moving away and finding new friends. Like if you could pick a couple off of your head, like green flags of somebody who's like worth keeping in your life.
Key Attributes of Strong Friendships
00:46:09
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Women, but I guess anybody, but specifically like you meet somebody new, like you guys said at a workshop at whatever, like what are some green flags where you're like, I want to keep this person around. We kind of touched on them, but if there's anything to like summarize, I guess. Exactly. Live.
00:46:26
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I feel like I could come up with a list, but if I had to just like shoot from the hip, no judgment is like huge for me. Just like being open to the other person. I get that you can have opinions about certain things that they're talking about, but I think just being like, I don't know, it shows me that you can be a confidant, that I can bounce things off of and actually feel like I'm getting your true perspective if you're not judgmental right away.
00:46:55
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And then I think a huge thing that at least I try to really do when I'm interacting with somebody for the first time and I feel like things are potentially going well as far as like these new female bumblebee interactions I'm having is like, I like to be like an interactive listener where I want to hear what they're trying to say, but I also want to make sure that it's like, I'm actually listening to you. Can you tell me more about that?
00:47:25
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or like asking a follow-up question about something like, I don't know, I just feel like that's taking a further step to be like,
00:47:31
Speaker
I'm actually sitting with you right now and I'm absorbing what you're saying as another human. Instead of being like, oh, well here's something else about me. Like I get you can kind of jump from, oh, I connect to that story and hear something about me. That's really great too. But if you don't, just like asking another follow-up question or something like that. I really like when people do that with me. Yeah. I completely love that story. That's like a red flag, or a red flag. Sorry, not that. That's like a green flag for you too. Oh my gosh, absolutely. That's like a green flag on you too.
00:48:00
Speaker
That's so cool. Yeah. Yeah. I completely agree with everything you said, just like listening and like checking in. I feel like it's huge for me and what I need from my friends and just like also share some shared values. I feel like it's yeah. Just like getting each other. Yeah. Yeah. I also really, really like when people follow up quickly, like say you had you felt like it was a really good interaction and you're driving home.
00:48:31
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you feel like it's really easy to get back in your head and you start overthinking like, oh, did I share too much? Was that weird? Did I like, pay something off and just like getting a text message or something from somebody that's like, it was so fun to meet you or it was like a really good conversation. I don't know. I feel like that really like not only puts me at ease, but it feels like, okay,
00:48:54
Speaker
like you just spend time with a person that you're not going to get back, you know, yeah, yeah, every single interaction that you have or whatever you're doing to spend your day like that's the way that you're spending your life if you have that with another person I feel like it's just so nice and special to have that like reciprocated in a way that's like
00:49:12
Speaker
I heard you, like I saw you for that moment in time and I appreciated you for where you were. So true. Exactly. That really throws the door open for a friendship. It's like, you were kind of wondering, is the door open? That's just like, boom, it's open. It's the hallway and I'm running down there. Exactly.
00:49:30
Speaker
I think so. That's so sweet. I'm in the same boat. Yeah. Oh, I leave so many. Sometimes friends I've had for like 10 years, if I haven't seen them for a while, I'll leave hanging out. And I'm like, oh, did I talk too much about me? Did I not? And yeah, the same thing. And then, yeah, exactly. Everything you said. I think one of my big green flags is like laughter. Like the true just like laugh, like no shame, laughter. I don't know. There's something just so like magical about that.
00:49:58
Speaker
especially Beth and I know like the laughing where you shouldn't be laughing but that makes you laugh even harder and just like really connect with somebody over just joy laughter like just being silly with each other and stuff I don't know I look back like I said like Beth and I'll have just like super cringe videos from the eighth grade and there's one thing where we're just laughing
00:50:19
Speaker
for so long it's absurd and I think back and I'm like I don't that's not an everybody experience like not everybody gets that when I hang out with them and I don't get that like from everybody so I'd say like if we've ever just shared the laugh over something I don't know that just speaks volumes volumes I think I completely agree I do too I agree so much that that's what I was gonna say
00:50:40
Speaker
really wrote down a note and it says, make me laugh. And I said, well, just won't do that if there's tension because of, but that's, and I was thinking about, yeah, like the times, the people I've laughed the most with, well one, Ayla, I think you're the person I've laughed the hardest and longest with, but you know, it's just, that's just.
00:51:01
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you won't do that if you don't feel comfortable. So I guess I'll make mine, my green flag is just that they make me feel really comfortable. Growing up, I like Ayla talked about actually earlier, we were a little bit kind of the outcasts in some of our groups and a little bit, you know, sometimes made fun of for things. And so I, if I don't feel comfortable, then I'll, I'll never really be my true self. You know, we kind of that's, we've all been talking about this, like, right? That's obvious. So if you, there's any kind of tension, you're not going to have those, like that big laughter and everything. So,
00:51:30
Speaker
But another little green flag for me is someone who remembers something I said before and brings it up like next time we hang out. Disclaimer, I'm terrible. So much better at it. And when someone does that for me, I'm literally just like speechless like
00:51:47
Speaker
What? Do you remember that I was going to do that? And now you're asking me how it went. Like there are a couple of people who do that. And I'm just every time I'm like, oh my gosh, I need to get better about that. That is one of the most thoughtful things. And it's just so amazing. So that's a huge green flag for me. And currently working on that, I'm terrible at that. But my memory is also just an absolute piece of poo. But I can grow it. I'll work on it. Yes. Anyways, those are mine. So true.
00:52:17
Speaker
What do you guys like to do for friendships specific? I don't know like how do you guys hang out with your friends? Do you go places? Do you go to each other's houses? Do you go because like I love getting food. That's always my go-to. It's an expensive habit. I love getting food. That's like my go-to.
00:52:32
Speaker
or going over to someone's house. But if there was like, if there is either someone like you already have in your life or somebody new, and you want to connect, what would your activity of choice be? This was not on the list. So I'm sorry if I'm super rad. No, I love it. I feel like I'm definitely a foodie as well. If I wasn't pregnant drinks too. I love getting fun drinks. Yeah.
00:52:55
Speaker
Yeah. Olivia's probably hiking. Yeah, I was going to say I like sitting down for coffee, but sometimes that feels really intense if I'm meeting someone for the first time or like an interviewee, I guess. So I like doing some kind of activity, but I'm also like super competitive. So not like a gain thing. Like hikes do really well for me. I don't know. It's always a hike. I'm good with that.
00:53:22
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Ayla, go ahead and you share a knife. Oh gosh. Yeah. Like I said, food. I'm in the same boat as Sandy too. I'm a beer girlie. So anything like that. Like I like tap rooms, stuff like that. But I'm also like, I grew up very active too. So I think too, if it wasn't like a sit down face to face friendship, like a walk and stuff, we're actually hanging out with a friend of mine soon, the one who's got a couple of kids. And I'm just going to ask, do you want to go take your kids to a park? We can hang out and do that. Like let them run and play. But we, yeah.
00:53:50
Speaker
That's perfect. Yeah. I'd say very similar to what you guys have said. I don't do food as much. I actually find like meeting someone for the first time with food, I feel awkward. I'm just so shy. It's hard for me to be one-on-one. So I try for my first meeting to be like in a group setting. And at this age, it's actually gotten a lot easier because usually they have husbands. And so I'll be like, let's the four of us get together. Or if they already have a friend group or vice versa, we'll do like a barbecue afternoon, like, you know, or something with like a group of us.
00:54:16
Speaker
And then once I find something they're interested in that's a shared interest, I'll try to go and do that. Just because I am, I feel like I'm such an awkward and shy person. It's so much easier for me if I go, Oh, you like photography too? And then we'll go like location scout together or something like that. Or if they like hiking, we'll go do a hike together. Cause I just, yeah, that's how I've kind of tried to manage it, but something like that.
00:54:37
Speaker
Well, I could probably hang out with you guys all day long. For sure. But for my last question. She agreed. Yeah, right. Also nice to be Sandy for the first time. Hello. Right? We've been online buddies for a while here, but exactly a couple years now. And how was that? Did she use you as an editor?
00:54:59
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know if you want to share. I don't care. You save me. You literally save me so much time. And like, I don't know how you do it better than myself. Literally the same. No, I was like, I launched my business in July of 2021. And I think he reached out to me like in October.
00:55:21
Speaker
And you were like my first, oh, secret tea. You were like my first like 100% like ideal client. Like I've been doing a couple of jobs and then like your work, the editing style, the amount you wanted to send. I was like, so you sent the first gallery and I was like, oh my gosh, I gotta do this so well. I was like, this has to be perfect. But that was, yeah, like mid 2021. So it's been a long time. Yes. Yes. And I don't plan on stopping Ayla. Oh, thank you. That's so sweet.
00:56:01
Speaker
Yeah, I edit for Beth as well, so amazing. Both of you guys, you like, you reply to emails on time, you pay on time. It's so nice. Like, I just say. I just say. In all the ways. I want to keep you forever. Oh, will do. Hey, I'm not going anywhere.
00:56:15
Speaker
You helped my life in so many ways. Oh my gosh, that's everything I want to hear, always. Not surprised.
00:56:24
Speaker
Great. Well, cool. So overall, I want to ask where people can find you, interact with you, you can plug Wander, you can plug your own businesses, because I know you guys all do lots of things.
Conclusion and Social Media Sharing
00:56:39
Speaker
So yeah, a little few minutes each, just all the things if anyone wants to keep up on your journey, because Beth and I know we do, so for everyone else out there.
00:56:50
Speaker
You're amazing. Okay, you can find our podcast at wandherpodcast on Instagram and we're on Spotify, Apple, all the things. My photography is at Sandra Lynn photo. Two N's in Lynn.
00:57:09
Speaker
Yeah. The quirky chic boutique. Yeah. Oh, yes. I have a boutique, online boutique. So it's, yes, at Quirky Chic. Best pajamas I've ever gotten, not even BS-ing. They're so comfy. She has an eye for the things, for all the clothing things. Seriously. I love clothes. That's awesome.
00:57:35
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Yeah, for me personally, I have like a little Etsy shop I'm trying to make more of, not just a side hustle. So that's Wandering Roots Co on Instagram. And then it was already taken on Etsy. So if you search for my shop specifically, it's Wandering Roots Corp, which I'm not a corporation, but it is what it is.
00:58:01
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If you want to see where I'm hiking and like I take landscape photography too that's kind of where I landed with photography. I have an Instagram page that I kind of like post stuff
00:58:14
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there with my husband and I and that's Hail on a Trail. That's my last name, H-A-L-E with the little dot in between each word and I'm pretty active on that one. It's amazing. It's so fun. I've been killing it with the reels. It's like one of my favorites. I followed it on my business account and it's so fun. It's so fun. I live vicariously through you guys. Thank you. It's like a fun little scrapbook. We've been so many awesome places. Yeah, it's amazing.
00:58:42
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Well, thank you guys so much. This was actually such an honor to bring you guys on. I think you guys were perfect for exactly everything we wanted to talk about. So, yeah. No, thank you. Yeah, it is really cool to have interacted with you guys. I really feel like, like I said earlier, our friendships are super similar.
00:59:01
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Our vibes are super similar, so thanks for having us on. Yes, I agree. I had a really good time. Yay. So did I. It was amazing. Oh, man. So did we. You guys are awesome. Woo. Yeah, such an honor. Aw, thank you.