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Young Justice: S3 Outsiders Part 1 (Ep 1-6)
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Zuhair and J Scotty return to the show that started this podcast, covering the first part of Young Justice Season 3, just in time for Season 4's release, Oct, 21!
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Introduction and Young Justice Season 3 Overview
00:00:01
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On this episode of Animation to Liberation, we are returning to our roots. We're going back to Young Justice. That's right, Young Justice season three, subtitled Outsiders. Myself and my regular co-host, Suher Ali, are gonna get right into that after some ads we have no control over.
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00:00:47
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What's up animation deliberation listeners. Jay Scotty here with a quick little side note. Um, as you're listening, you will notice that we're making some dated references, full transparency. This episode was recorded back in early August. So we'll make references to not knowing when young justice season four is actually, um, the release date has been announced and whatnot. So we know that's October 21st. Uh, so hopefully it's not too frustrating as you're listening, but just wanted to make you aware. So thanks for tuning in and back to the show.
00:01:18
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Sing along if you know the words. A one, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah. All right,
Origins of the Podcast and Season 3 Themes
00:01:33
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all right. Welcome back to animation deliberation. My name's Jay Scottie, but for this episode, you can call me Pony Boy, because we're talking outsiders. Not that outsiders.
00:01:43
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Sorry for that very dated reference. I'll be curious to see who all out there got that reference to the outsiders. But now we're talking Young Justice season three. I'm Jay Scottie St. Clair. And I got with me Zuhair Ali. What's going on, Zuhair? How are you? I'm doing pretty good. Speaking of dating things, it's been so long since we talked about the show. It's kind of giving some old justice. I like what you did there. We're so lame.
00:02:14
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Well, you know, Young Justice is kind of where we got started with this show. I've talked about it before. This podcast was born out of a simple conversation of you recommending Young Justice to me. So it's really nice to kind of become be able to come full circle as we've taken on more and more shows and had guests appear on the show and whatnot. It's just kind of nice to have a conversation with you about a show that we both love so much. And I got to say,
00:02:41
Speaker
The ante has continued to be ratcheted up. We got season one, you know, had some big swings and tugged at my heartstrings in some ways. Season two continue to do that even more. So we've only watched the first six episodes. I should have mentioned that up the top. We are covering the first six episodes, episodes one through six of Young Justice season three. With that said, these first six episodes already are indicating to me how dark a season this is going to be.
00:03:12
Speaker
Yeah, and we we started doing this because there is a season four coming out this year, even though we haven't gotten a date for it. But based off of like trends, when DC Universe started, they started off with season one of Titans and then they did season four, season three of Young Justice right after that, excuse me.
00:03:33
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And now we have a date for Titans, which is in late August. So maybe that means that we're going to have a date after that kicks in for Young Justice season four, meaning we'll be right about on track on finishing our coverage of this by the time we have some new content to watch every week. Awesome, awesome. I have to admit it wasn't entirely planned that way, but I'm glad it's working out that way.
00:04:02
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Yeah. We're just trying to find our mojo. We're still pretty much a baby podcast. Yeah, yeah. We're getting there, though. We're getting there. Before we dive into the major
00:04:15
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plot points and the characters and whatnot. I did want to address just in terms of like this being a darker season, the opening intro to the show, it's changed every single time and we get the new subtitles. So we had, you know, Young Justice season one, Young Justice season two was subtitled invasion and this is outsiders and everything from the graphics, you know, seeing planet earth first and then it kind of, you get the DNA strand that comes across and it shifts into the planet of apocalypse and the music.
00:04:45
Speaker
Genuinely creepy like just actually just thinking about it right now is giving me goosebumps. It's it's really effective and well done Yeah, especially after the cliffhanger that we got at the end of last season like all we saw was bandle savage and dark side shaking hands and then for this opener to start off with apocalypse being in the spotlight and
00:05:09
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really gave that that essence of like, we just know how ominous dark side is.
Young Justice's Platform Transition and Darker Content
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And if his planet is going to be a just an opener and give me this much chills.
00:05:23
Speaker
Serious things are about to happen. And also, this is the first season that wasn't on Cartoon Network. They actually debuted on DC Universe before that shifted over to HBO Max. And this was the first season that didn't have a rating on it. So they were allowed they were they opened the doors like they could go as dark as gory, as uncensored as they wanted to go in the season.
00:05:48
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Yeah, and they wasted no time with it, but we'll get into that. We'll get into that. So let's talk about the major plot points and the things that took place during these, excuse me, these first six episodes.
00:06:04
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The season kind of almost picks up right where the last one left off in terms of, you know, seeing the new team kind of forming around Aquaman and him giving them their marching orders. I remember Alpha Squad was going to Mars to help bars our green beetle there.
00:06:23
Speaker
But as much as it's picking up right where it left off there, we get a pretty quick time jump to the future where Aqua Lad, aka now he's Aquaman, has been basically serving as co-chair of the Justice League with Wonder Woman.
00:06:40
Speaker
And there's some pretty big shakeups to this scene, but I will just say for the character of Aqualad and now Aquaman, he's been a through line for the season so far, but he really only plays a part in this scene for the season. So I'll be interested to see how he gets brought back into the fold, or if he does get brought back into the fold, because so far the show has done a great job of, you know,
00:07:05
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making you get really endeared to these characters, but then it does a good job of kind of shifting them to the background and bringing other characters to the forefront. But so far, it seems like the only really returning characters we're focusing on in any way is Dick Grayson, Nightwing, McGann, Morse, AKA Miss Martian, and then of course, Connor Superboy.
00:07:33
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The rest of them, obviously we see some older characters here and there, but I feel like these are- Oh, Artemis. Oh, Artemis as well, yeah. Forgive me. AKA Tigris. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, as far as the big shakeups that I was alluding to, basically we have the Justice League disbanded.
00:07:53
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So I can't remember who brings it up, but we in the end of the last season, we had Lex Luthor be appointed to a pretty significant position in the United Nations. And from here, he's basically just been making it more and more difficult for the Justice League to conduct their operations.
00:08:12
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Remember on the last two seasons we were talking about all the similarities between Young Justice and the MCU? This is totally Sokovia Court right here. This is like what would have happened if all of them signed.
00:08:26
Speaker
Yes. Yes. Good call. Good call. And I guess I am getting just a little bit ahead of myself. I guess it's worth mentioning that before we get the scene in the in the Hall of Justice and the Watchtower, we did get a scene on Rand where the Justice League we get to see, you know, Superman. I can't remember off the top of my head who always there, but they are fighting metahumans on the planet of Rand and Black Lightning actually ends up killing one with a pretty, you know,
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subtle shock based on his calculations, but it actually kills this meta human who we find that was actually just like a, I think 12, 14 year old girl with like a heart condition. So pretty
Character Challenges and Developments
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tragic there. And it definitely is a major thrust.
00:09:09
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for Black Lightning, it's really Batman and Green Arrow that kind of do this ousting. It feels like almost like a coup. Like Canary mentions the fact that she knows Green Arrow didn't clue her in on it because he knew that she wouldn't participate in blind-sighting Cowder like that. But for Jefferson, Black Lightning, he quits all on his own just because he's dealing with the heavy trauma of having killed
00:09:39
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a young girl, and we know that he is actually the father of two young girls. What did you think about this whole scene? I mean, you compared it to the Soviet Accords, which is incredibly appropriate, I would say. But you said this is your second time watching. You did your first watch, and can you recall at all what you felt at that point, or even on this fresh watch?
00:10:05
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Yeah it was just one of those things where after season 2 this show was cancelled. So we weren't sure if it was ever going to come back, if it was going to be any good, when it would happen. So when it did happen obviously the expectations were super high and I feel like this first episode really delivered on it.
00:10:23
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with the intensity of there being a two year gap and the Justice League still having to fight for their reputation after the trials that they had to go through in the last season. For them to still be having to deal with that and deal with the ramifications was kind of like that was a wow thing to start off with. And then for them to go in the watchtower and see the the shift in power, wondering what was up with Aquaman, like, where's Arthur Curry? Why is Calderon taking over?
00:10:50
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You know, the big questions like that. You see that Tim Drake is a lot older. Static Shock is a part of the team now. What was the other big one? Oh, Tim and Wonder Girl were dating. That was cute. Oh, yeah. And then you see Impulse donning the full kid flash look.
00:11:13
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Right. So there was a lot of things that were like, you know, you see a lot of development, a lot of growth between the characters like this within that opening scene of the hall. But then for them to go in and see Calderon speak up to the Justice League was really cool because he was a teenager, you know, trying to set up his own team under them for the longest time.
00:11:32
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But it was kind of a big deal of them. This came out maybe two years after Captain America Civil War. So there was a lot of comparison going on over there. And that was a big thing of seeing Luther having control over the situation, them not being able to do humanitarian missions, the Justice League being so big and such a big organization that people look up to for hope.
00:12:01
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And for them to not be able to operate as efficiently as they know that they're capable of between the United Nations on Earth and then the global council with all the stuff that was going on. So it was just like, it was very heartbreaking from the start to see the people that we watch, like, you know, fight for humanity every day to be able to be struggling this much.
00:12:25
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And me loving Batman, of course, I loved when he's he was trying to make the argument first. He wasn't just straight up trying to leave. He was like, I want you guys to understand my point. You get it? See my perspective? By the way, we're out of here. So, you know, in Batman fashion, of course, you already had a plan in this and that, but he tried making it like as I want to say the word, inclusive, I guess. Yeah.
00:12:51
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Yeah, he was trying to be like as considerate as he could. But, you know, he's right. It's like it is about the mission and the Justice League isn't fulfilling his mission. Therefore, he has to take other routes to do that. And I felt bad for Wonder Girl because Tim Drake knew about it all along, too. And he was like, all right, bye. And then you see Jefferson trying to come in. And that's where he was just kind of like, no, it's a democracy in the watchtower. I don't want to be under dictatorship. I don't want to be under Batman Incorporated. I was like, whoa.
00:13:21
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Like you're not wrong, but whoa. So it was just a lot of stuff to hit a viewer with right off the bat. And then transitioning into Dick Grayson still like not being part of a team, just trying to do things on his own because he doesn't want to lose people anymore.
00:13:39
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Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And that actually I don't want to get too far ahead of myself here. I feel like I've been doing that a lot this episode. But one of the things you said about Batman just wanting to accomplish the mission did echo another one of the through lines for the season for me. And it's in context to the character of Dick Grayson. He's got that moment with Will Harper later on where, you know, he talks about what the mission was and, you know, taking on strays, a.k.a. outsiders, if you will, how that wasn't initially the mission, but
00:14:08
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He gets reminded that, you know, the mission evolves and the mission is whatever the mission becomes. So yeah, I appreciate that. Symmetry, repetition, rhythm, poetry there, what have you. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, now William Harper even says like you need someone to keep you straight. You need someone to keep you in line because there's not too many people over here now anymore that understand how you actually work.
00:14:36
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Yeah, yeah. So we I know we got a full list of everybody that basically disbanded. So it was Batman in all of his underlings. And then Green Arrow. Plastic Man. I think there was a guy named Hardware that I'm not super familiar with. And I feel like there was one more that I'm not recalling off the top of my head.
00:15:06
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Uh, Katana Katana. Right. Right. And then there was arrow wet. Oh, right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. There was a, I'm looking at the list right now, but it's kind of different. There's orphan. Um, you mentioned hardware and then, um, Batwoman somebody who was on that list that we had never seen before. That's who I was forgetting. Yeah. Yeah. That's who it was.
00:15:36
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Okay.
00:15:38
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Well, then we talk about how considerate I guess Batman tried to be in light of the situation, but. Right, right after then, when they're all exiting, you know, the younger members of the team that weren't privy to that mission, they're all just kind of like wondering what's going on. And when they see Jefferson and his civilian clothes in the first place, but then he has that confrontation with Batman where Batman basically tries to recruit him and he says, no, I don't want to be a part of Batman Incorporated. I don't trust you. And especially not after what you just pulled in there. So.
00:16:09
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It is interesting to see as as considerate quote unquote Batman as being he always has this tendency to to rub his teammates the wrong way. At least those that aren't like, you know, completely under his thumb. Yeah, he was with the version of Superman that was like an actual man of steel. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think that was steel. I think that character's name is steel. What's the name steel? OK, I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. I've got some vague familiarity with him.
00:16:37
Speaker
Gotcha. Yeah. OK. And then so I guess other than, you know, having those those members disbanded, that kind of puts the league out of the proceedings for a little bit. And it does. Put Dick Grayson in this position where, like you were kind of talking about, he needs the team again. So it's all about him assembling this team. He gets the he gets the Intel. I'm trying to remember where he gets that Intel from, but he's working with Barbara.
00:17:07
Speaker
He raided a warehouse. That's what it was. Okay. Yeah. Oh, and he blew it up. Yeah. Cause I remember she was, she was worried that he blew it up without getting it first, encrypting the data first or whatever. That was so bad ass. Like they go in, they get their sample. He rescues the kids and like, as he's talking, he just pulls out the bombs and just, you know, the, the typical hero, like explosion in the background. He's got his new suit and the mask on and I was like, I love Nightwing so much. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty bad ass.
00:17:34
Speaker
So he gets the intel that the majority of this operation is being headed by someone codenamed Bedlam and that it's taking place in a foreign country somewhere in Eastern Europe, Markovia. So we already made the allusions to Sokovia. Markovia feels like a pretty good stand in for Sokovia or vice versa. How did you feel hearing? Actually, yeah, I guess the Markovia Sokovia does make sense.
00:18:04
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Interesting. How did I feel about what? How did you feel about hearing Oracle instead of Batgirl?
00:18:12
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Oh, yeah, yeah, I immediately picked up on it. So I didn't dwell on it too, too, too long. But I was waiting for her her next on screen appearance and they did show her in the wheelchair so that anybody that's familiar with the character of Barbara Gordon in her transition to Oracle, she basically, you know, loses the ability to use the lower half of her body and she's written to a wheelchair. So she becomes more of like an overwatch character providing, you know,
00:18:42
Speaker
basically the logistics and being that person in the chair for whoever's in the field. This isn't me making a joke on handicap, but she's literally the guy in the chair. Yeah, exactly. She is the tech savvy one. The contacts that she provides everybody that they communicate through is really cool. I like the way that she chats and sends emojis and stuff in Dick Grayson's eyes.
00:19:07
Speaker
But yeah, in this story, she actually gets shot by the Joker and actually like right her in the spine, which is why she's paralyzed. Who knows what happens in this two year gap, because when they ended the last season, she was in charge with Aqualad. So for something to happen to make Aqualad take the Aquaman role and then for her to be Oracle and then McGann have to take over the team was like, wow, a lot happened in two years. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:19:39
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So that basically puts Dick on this quest to recruit the various members of this new team.
Team Recruitment and New Missions
00:19:45
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He's assembling. So you get kind of this nice montage where he approaches the various members. Forgive me, I'm a little fuzzy on the details here. Normally I have the ability to watch these episodes a couple of times through, but I'm coming in off of one watch through. So I can't remember who he approaches initially, but basically he goes,
00:20:07
Speaker
It's Artemis because that's when we got to see Bruce Lee, the dog, and then they see the photo of Wally, which, of course, made everyone tear up a little bit. You're not a human if you didn't. And then they go into the hall and you see now William with his kid and they're all living together. And that was kind of like, oh, my God, like we knew he had a kid prefer him to have a beard and bulked up. And yeah, all that stuff is like, oh, man, that's crazy. And then that was like the big thing when Dick came in. It's like, sorry to interrupt.
00:20:38
Speaker
That's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. And then it kind of sets up this kind of recurring gag for the next few recruits that he does. So he goes to McGann and Connor, our super boy next, who we find out their relationship is
00:20:55
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the best it's ever been. And they're basically communicating entirely telepathically. And I did have just a little note in the back of my mind. I was like, I see you animators. I see you saving yourself a little bit of work there by having these characters communicate telepathically. But anyway, McGann has some slight reservations about Connor going back into the fold, but he reassures her that it's just going to be a one time thing.
00:21:19
Speaker
And then the last recruit is Jefferson Black Lightning. And I got to say, I was actually kind of surprised that he showed up at the end there because he was pretty adamant. He's like, we'll wait five minutes for you. And he's like, I won't be there. And even Oracle says, that doesn't sound promising. But then he does show up at the last minute.
00:21:41
Speaker
I like the dialogue that he had with his, I guess, ex-wife too. Yes. Where she was like, I'm married a superhero and I'm the sister of a Green Lantern. I was like, oh cool, it's John Stewart's sister. That's a neat little Easter egg. Yeah, I appreciated that too. Yeah.
00:21:59
Speaker
And he even said for Dixie for that, I know English, I swear for Dick Grayson to say, I need the man, not the not the powers. Well, that was a cool line, like that shows how much of a skill set that he has outside because I guess he has the MIPS or whatever. And he can't use his he can't use his actual powers after just, you know, PTSD from killing the kid.
00:22:24
Speaker
For sure, for sure. And yeah, I kind of wondered why they chose to focus on the character of Black Lightning and have him be kind of the older adult in the mix there. And I got to imagine. He was popular on CW.
00:22:38
Speaker
Well, I'm sure that's a factor in there for sure. They're trying to, you know, build up the brand a little bit and get some some eyes on him. But I do think another part of it is that the fact that he has, you know, young kids and can actually interact with these younger heroes in somewhat of a fatherly role. But I do feel bad for Virgil because he's basically just like, I'm sorry, Virgil, you got to find yourself a new mentor. And he goes on to resume crime fighting not too long after that.
00:23:05
Speaker
Yeah, right. But you know what, it's, I was thinking while I was watching these episodes, like we saw these characters when they were 14, now they're probably like 26, 27. Oh, wow. Like McGann's probably like, McGann and Calder are probably like 30. Oh, you think so? You say, you say that they have the the adult figure for the kids, but in reality, they're not kids anymore.
00:23:32
Speaker
They actually are these like they're, they're our age, like doing these things. I feel, I feel like 30 is, is might be pushing a little, maybe for called, or he might be closer to 30, but I think Robin was the youngest at 14. Then there was a five year gap. 13. He was 13.
00:23:51
Speaker
Okay, then there was a five-year gap, so 18, and then a two, okay. Yeah, my math is crappy, excuse me. No, you're good. I'm normally the one that's bad at math. Okay, so 22, 23, McGann and Calder were about 17, 18, so they were like in the later range. Yeah, and I'm assuming he's like in his early to mid-40s, so I mean, that gives him a good 20 years on pretty much any of them. Anyway, it's not really neither here nor there.
00:24:20
Speaker
But basically, when we learn that their mission is to go to Markovia, we kind of shift gears and we get a lot of activity in Markovia and we get to learn what's going on in Markovia. And it really sets up this new character, Brion, who is the Prince of Markovia.
00:24:39
Speaker
He's basically got this desire to become a metahuman for the behalf of Markovia. His brother is basically the crown prince. He's the one that's going to inherit the throne. And, you know, in the middle of all this, I guess there's a Karaki border dispute that's kind of taking place. Do you remember more of the context there?
00:25:04
Speaker
It was that the I don't know the name of the country, but the Karaki or I guess Karak. Yeah, Karak had like like oppression stuff going on. So there was people like trying to find refuge. And Markovia was basically like opening the gates to refugees, which kind of hit with a lot of, you know, current political events as well.
00:25:33
Speaker
I see. So that was the thing was that there were Markovians who were against this immigration stuff. That's OK. But but the Iraqis were coming in as refugees. That's right. That's right. And then what kind of, you know, causes the entire controversy to hit a fever pitch is the assassination of Brian's mother and father, the king and queen of Markovia. They are taken out by a koraki metahuman who has speed powers, as I recall.
00:26:03
Speaker
Mm hmm. But anyway, which I feel like that scene was actually the first that we got to see of. The lack of reading, because it was blood, there was a lot of blood and you know, like especially a sword going through like you would just hear the sound, you would never see blood in a cartoon network.
00:26:21
Speaker
thing. True. But there was blood spewing at a moderate level. They didn't go crazy with it, but there was blood spewing and the bullets actually went through. And then when they walked into the chambers and you see like the blood all over the wall, all over the portrait of the king and queen and their bodies. And there was like, oh, yeah, you guys, you guys are are now.
00:26:39
Speaker
Mm hmm. Yeah, so with their passing, it basically puts Brion's brother, I want to say his name was Gregor, Prince Gregor, basically puts him in the position to become the king, but he's too young, he's eight, he's 17, excuse me, so he has to wait a year. And in that time, their uncle is going to act as the regent.
00:26:58
Speaker
And they're both distrustful of them, but they want to go different ways about it. And there's this character, Dr. Jace, who is the family physician who, you know, you see Breon have a few scenes with here and there, and he's basically asking her what it's going to take in order to activate his meta genes. Concurrently with all this,
00:27:22
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Artemis and Dick have basically split the team into two teams, they are infiltrating the like coronation party for Gregor, while the rest of the teams are, you know, infiltrating the meta human facility, as well as just
00:27:44
Speaker
I feel terrible that I'm so fuzzy on the details here, but I remember so Black Lightning and Superboy are on a team together, but I'm kind of struggling to remember what the other team members were doing.
00:27:58
Speaker
Uh, yeah, you got it. It was Nightwing and Artemis at the uh coronation and then at one point Artemis, you know sneaks off to get her bike and her gear that's when she runs into Halo and then it was uh tailing Breon and the doctor while Black Lightning and Superboy came in on sphere And they were accessing the hospital right away like from whatever access point they found on the hillside
00:28:27
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And they were going in to find the facility because they got to the morgue and everything and then got to those doors to the secret testing facility before Dick and Artemis did.
00:28:43
Speaker
OK, right, right. And then so, yeah, that's when Superboy and Black Lightning are attacked by another metahuman. And this is one of the most darkest and most tragic parts of the season to me. So we already talked about the metahuman that Black Lightning killed at the very beginning of the season. But we find out that his brother, excuse me, her brother Otto has been subjected to the same terrible experimentation. And basically, they're like these like
00:29:09
Speaker
molten plasma beings that walk around but there's always like one of their organs that's pretty well exposed in the case of his sister it was her heart and for him it's his brain but
00:29:20
Speaker
His attack is pretty successful because Black Lightning is still not able to use his powers. So he basically has to jump into the ocean and has a pretty nasty fall. There was a second there. I wondered how out of commission he was going to be. But then Superboy actually gets captured. So we kind of in this particular episode with both Breon and Superboy in these
00:29:44
Speaker
these tubes that they fill with the substance that they call tar, which basically is what activates the the metagene within them. And I thought the episode ended in kind of a nice cliffhanger cliffhanger way, because Brion is like, get me out of here. But Dr. Jace, whose loyalties have kind of been shifting back and forth, they kind of make you think she could be on either side of thing. She really comes across as a villain here. She's just like, trust me, this needs to happen.
00:30:14
Speaker
Yeah, Superman, when he got picked up and started like screaming, like you can actually feel the pain that the Krypton is going through. And, you know, he was wearing a mask and everything at that point, too. So Count Vertigo comes up to him and it's like, well, there's only one person I know that could survive plasma. Of course, it's the super boy. Yeah. Yeah. You know, one thing I forgot to bring up in all these proceedings is we did have the return of Count Vertigo, who we haven't seen since, I want to say season one.
00:30:45
Speaker
I'm going to guess season two, but I'm not sure. I'm not confident on that. He might have popped up in season two, but the last time I'm confident in having seen him was. Injustice League. Count Vertigo? The like the Injustice League with Joker and Ivy and. Oh yeah, was that before or after Wally had his whole race to get the heart to the to the Queen? I don't know.
00:31:13
Speaker
Okay, not too critically important what happened first or second, but the main reason I bring that up is because I'm kind of diverging a little bit from the main proceedings here, but I do want to bring up Beast Boy. He doesn't play an active role in the proceedings, but we do learn a little bit about what's going on with Beast Boy. He's kind of transitioned following in his mother's footsteps. He's kind of like the
00:31:36
Speaker
uh the face of the superheroes in terms of like being an actor and starring in movies he's got like this sci-fi series that's going on but in a celebrity interview we find out that he's actually dating uh that young queen or princess that wally saved that was so sweet yeah yeah he was like yeah unfortunately we met at one of our friend's funerals it's like oh yeah yeah the feels the feels
00:32:04
Speaker
all that feels. All right. Well, so having ended the last episode on a bit of a cliffhanger, the next episode just kind of opens up with, you know, Superboy and Brion being rescued, but it's a little late for Brion.
Brion's Transformation and Exile
00:32:19
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He has undergone the metagene metamorphosis.
00:32:23
Speaker
I mean, the perspective of that opening was really cool, too, because it was it was Breon in the tank. And you see the tar filling up and he's panicking and screaming and the doctor's like right against the glass. Oh, like, whoa, that's a way to start an episode. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There were a couple of times where they did interesting perspective things. I'm thinking of the character Halo as well when she had some of her. Basically, her trips down memory lane, they did some interesting things in terms of the perspective there.
00:32:52
Speaker
But why don't you take this episode in terms of like what kind of happened in terms of the big swing? Because basically we kind of just pick up right from there. We are in the midst of this kind of operation to take down the metahuman facility in Markovia. Did the Halo story start on three or two? She was introduced in two.
00:33:18
Speaker
OK, so I guess I'll point that out real quick, is that when Artemis was going to grab her stuff, there was some some dudes like burying people that they had killed. And I imagine it was from the from the from the castle. Or from the fortress that the king killed from, because there's some people that were like smuggling in and killed for whatever reason, because it was the same people who broke in.
00:33:47
Speaker
So they were throwing all the bodies in the grave and then they throw halo in there and she like glows purple and then wakes up So they tried burying her alive and Artemis either she's like, what the hell are you doing? Goes and be yeah in daylights out of them Gotta get back to how great the fight choreography is in these shows pulls her out. I was so clue I
00:34:08
Speaker
pulls her out and it's like, all right, well, I guess we're going to, I'm just going to take you with me. So they find sphere and they don't know where super boy is. They track the last location on black lightning and then go and find him, wake him up. Uh, Dick Grayson's, you know, tracking and talking to Barbara through the little bug, which is super cute. He like goes away or it's like, boo. Yeah. It's like, Oh, I thought you were ready for anything. Yeah.
00:34:37
Speaker
This is where it starts to get a little fuzzy for me. It's all good. There are a couple of things you brought up that I did want to highlight. The shovel fight was amazing. It made me want to pick up a shovel and start practicing.
00:34:49
Speaker
Because that was, yeah. Artemis is one of my favorite characters, period, but I will go on record again. Whoever is like the main head writer, I guess I should look it up, the head writer for this show. I just feel like they have such an affinity for the archer characters because they always give them the best action. It was written by Andrew Robinson. Make the non superheroes look good.
00:35:13
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. So I guess the main thing other than what you brought up in terms of like the rescues that are taking place is with Brion's
00:35:28
Speaker
I guess I'll call him like magma, geological powers manifesting. It puts his uncle in a position where he tries to make it look like, he tries to blackmail him and look like he was the one that was setting up the operation and he was the one that voluntarily underwent this testing. And, you know, in 17 year old righteous anger, fury, Breon, as he will, has a big fight with his uncle and
00:35:57
Speaker
I was really glad that they gave Prince Gregor the intelligence there because even with the fight as I was watching, I was like, it has to be obvious to anyone that this uncle has had these powers for so much longer than Brion. So yeah, I was really glad that they leaned into that.
00:36:14
Speaker
Yeah, because we see how much he's slipping up on using his powers and like constantly falling to the ground and not knowing how to control. And the other dude is just like proficient as hell, especially like with his moves. And him facing off a Superboy is really cool too, because they're going toe to toe with each other on the boxing. I was like, oh, I like this. Yeah, that was cool. That was cool. And then so basically, I will bring up the character of Simon X as well. He was kind of
00:36:42
Speaker
So where we have Dr. Jace, who we didn't really know where her loyalties lie, we find out that she is, you know, she's a good person. She was just a little bit coerced. And maybe her motivations are a little misguided. And I guess they align with Briones in a sense that she thought making him a metahuman was the last resort. But Simon X is kind of the antithesis to her. He is the doctor that is actively cackling and
00:37:07
Speaker
Basically, you know, he's the one lining these kids up for slaughter to test on and whatnot. But he's got I didn't expect him to have powers the way they kind of showed him beforehand because he gets taken out by Dick pretty easily with the judo chop to the shoulder. But then after that, he's able to, you know, clone himself and he's he's giving the heroes quite a bit of trouble. But I got it. Got it. Got a good chuckle out of me when he knows Nightwing is right behind him again. And he's like, not again. And he's like, again, pop.
00:37:37
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I guess the episode ends with Prince Gregor being put in kind of a difficult place. He knows that it was his uncle, but at the same time, he cannot condone the actions of his brother currently. So he has to exile him temporarily. And that kind of gives credence to this whole subtitle, Outsiders. That was where I started to pick up on. I was like, okay, that's why they're calling it Outsiders. We've got Breon.
00:38:05
Speaker
we've got halo who i guess it's worth mentioning she's got like amnesia at this point she doesn't really know anything about herself but she has these powers that are manifesting and she is one of those characters that with her ability to resurrect herself and sustain like grievous injury they really leaned into the
00:38:26
Speaker
unrated nature and showcasing some of that gore. You talked about the blood with the assassination scene, but when her face got basically just pummeled into the ground and destroyed, you saw her exposed face and stuff like that. Oh, she was screaming and everything. I was like, oh, God. Yeah, it was dark. It was really, really dark.
00:38:48
Speaker
But I was delighted to see her not have been killed off. But yeah, so basically we've got Breon and then we've got Halo. So that's kind of creating this little group of outsiders for our team. And they decide, you know, they'll take them, they'll take them back with them to be a part of the team. Yeah, and Dick's not happy about it either, because even who was it that pointed out?
00:39:17
Speaker
Somebody pointed out there like, oh, look at you leading a team again. He was like, I hate being an adult. It's like, I feel you, bud. I feel you. That was made. That's what made me click that his first introduction. He was 13. And I was like, wow, it's been almost 10 years since like your since like your venture into making this the initial team. Yep. Yep.
00:39:40
Speaker
Yeah, good stuff, good stuff all around. The next episode was one of my favorites just because the character of Red Arrow was such a strong through line, especially in that first season, but he definitely had some choice episodes in season two.
00:39:57
Speaker
And I love it when a show can just kind of like poke fun at itself a little bit. So when we get to see all three versions of Roy Harper and I'm glad that they've given them different names, so it's a little bit easier to distinguish them. So we've got the original Roy Harper is Arsenal. He's the one that lost his arm because they they cut it off to clone in the first place. And the next up is the gentleman that's going by Will Harper now.
00:40:24
Speaker
And he was Red Arrow. He was the one that we were like first introduced to that was the lights mole within the team in season one. And then we've got Jim Harper, who was the guardian. And when they suited up there at the end and their super suits again, I was kind of like, what happened to, what was his name, Cal? From season two?
00:40:53
Speaker
I don't know. They showed him at the beginning of the episode because that was a major thing. That was a major thing in season two. It was him taking up the armor of guardian and becoming the guardian. But I guess was Jim wearing.
00:41:07
Speaker
at the very end of the episode. So just to kind of lay out the episode, most of it takes place with these Harper boys and Dick Grayson basically doing a standard security job for Will Harper's, his company Bowman Security.
00:41:26
Speaker
Dick wants him to help with this new team. So the caveat there is I'll help you if you help me. So they go and it seems like a pretty run of the mill operation. But then that's when I think Arsenal has the line like, this stuff's not going to get robbed or stolen in broad daylight. And then of course, right after that, we cut to Brick and his Motley crew and we're robbing this stuff in broad daylight.
00:41:49
Speaker
I love the way they walk out in uniform, like with the hero music and walking in slow motion. But like, yeah, arsenal. Yeah, arsenal is like fidgeting with the sleeve and Dick doesn't like the tie. This is so funny. Oh, there were so many funny moments in there because then when they get in the SUV and Will's like buckle up and Robin's like, you enjoying this clipboard doesn't lie. He's like.
00:42:14
Speaker
He's like, whose idea was it for me to bring all three of you on a team and then unison yours? Yours. Yeah, family business. But. The episode is basically intercut between this mission and then it also kind of does these flashbacks where we kind of see more of the fallout of what directly happened after Markovia
00:42:39
Speaker
in terms of the various characters. So we get to spend some time with Dr. Jace. She's having brunch with Jefferson. I kind of like the budding romance there. We'll see where that goes. But then obviously, Brion is kind of settling into his own and Superboy is kind of taking him under his wing because they have similar rage issues there.
00:42:59
Speaker
which began to win it out. Exactly, exactly. And then Artemis has taken Halo under her wing. And I believe it was this episode as well that we got. It wasn't a major part of the episode, per se, but it was for me. That's my girl. That's what I was going to say. It's a major part of the show. Exactly. So I'll let you take I'll let you take it from here.
00:43:22
Speaker
Yeah, so Artemis was taking Halo out to the park. She was trying to control her flight, because she kept randomly doing it. She's like, yep, that's not normal. I need you to walk. And they're trying to bring some memory back, and this and that. She was asking why they were here. So you go up in the tree, and you see them interact with Nobu, like a Dr. Fate.
00:43:40
Speaker
And he asked like, where is she? It's like, she's she's here any second, but I have a question for you. And that was the lead in for because you wonder, like, why would Artemis like randomly be hanging out with Dr. Fate? So they kind of need some context to put it there. But it was a great nod to like past story.
00:43:56
Speaker
Mm-hmm, but that's when dr. Fate looks at Halo and says like oh, there's an old soul in here And there's kind of a lot of stuff going on. So he was he was pretty confused himself but that's when Zatanna comes in and They have their deal that she can see her father Zatara for an hour once a year So he was like, you know the rules of our arrangement. She was like one hour for the year and
00:44:23
Speaker
Just like last year, year before, year before. Right. So, you know, you see that, you know, she's taller. She's wearing like a nice dress and everything to hang out with her dad in the park. You know, when he takes the helmet off, like Zatar is there, but he has like a big beard. He's gray. He's like, you see the bags under his eyes. He's so tired. Like Nomu's really just wearing him out and Zatanna notices that and just puts this. You just can't stand it.
00:44:50
Speaker
And, you know, they had their moment for an hour and come back.
00:44:55
Speaker
Uh, man, this, this one's hitting me. Artemis and Halo are having their conversation about like feelings and why they do what they do. And you know, like what it means to be hero and stuff like that. So when, um, she was like, what are we here for? She's like, oh, we're not here for this part. Seeing satana come in for her dad. Right. Um, and then, you know, time is up and everything. And Dr. Fade puts the helmet back on. He's just like, peace, like not considerate at all.
00:45:27
Speaker
Right flies off and then that's when Artemis pulls the line of like, this is the part that we're here for. And she goes over and like puts her on because she was there for that whole thing too. So yeah, we don't see them in scenes too often, but because the town was busy with the Justice League while everybody else was doing their own thing, but.
00:45:45
Speaker
This is a strong bond that they developed in the end of the first season. And it's something that's really, really carried on. And that bond is beautiful. That is so heartbreaking that we still have to see the ramifications of things that happened the first season.
00:46:00
Speaker
Yeah, I'm really glad you bring that up because it stuck out to me too. And it's just a powerful moment. Yeah, and it makes me think back to season one, that episode where they basically went up against harm. And you really see that relationship, even though we haven't got to spend, you know, a ton of time with them individually, you just see how strong that relationship is. And I will say it speaks a lot to the strength of the character of Artemis, because don't get me wrong, like,
00:46:26
Speaker
I'm struggling to say exactly how I want to say this, but she lost Wally, which was an incredible loss to suffer. So she can relate to Zant as a Tana in that way. But I don't know almost what's worse. It's like seeing your loved one and knowing that they're there and getting to see them once a year. But it's like you know that they're alive and you know they're within arm's reach, but then not really being them. I guess it's almost like kind of an allegory to maybe like a
00:46:55
Speaker
cognitive disease or something like that. There's just kind of changes who the person is. It's just a really tough thing to go through. And I just thought Artemis being a strong character and being that rock for her really, really stuck out to me. The other thing, as big as the emotional swings were there, one of the things that stuck out to me about that particular scene, it taking place in a park
00:47:17
Speaker
is there were a lot of trees overhead, and I really appreciated from an animation standpoint, they started normally when we see the characters, they have like their highlights, and then their, their shadows, and there's there's not any mid tones in between, but they actually did a really nice job trying to get some soft shadows and like natural lighting coming through the canopy. So I always love to see stuff like that.
Missions and Character Interactions
00:47:38
Speaker
Really, I noticed it in that particular scene.
00:47:40
Speaker
Yeah, even when they were like under the big tree in the beginning of their interactions, like you can actually see like the ripples like between the leaves and whatnot. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Good stuff. Good stuff. Yeah. So it was it was kind of an interesting episode in that regard. We get, you know, the big mission with Nightwing and the Harpers. But then, as I kind of alluded to, the rest of it is a little bit of ketchup. It's like, where are these characters at, given the fallout of of Markovia?
00:48:12
Speaker
And then from there, the next episode, I don't feel like we need to spend a ton of time on because it's a little bit, I guess it's not too removed because it very much does tie back into the fact that we've got, you know, metahuman kids being deployed on other planets and other worlds to wreak havoc. But this is the episode that kind of sets us up for our last, at least at this point in time, our last of this little group of outsiders.
00:48:41
Speaker
And this will primarily takes place on the planet, a new Genesis. So we get the return of one of the forever people and one of the new gods who I remember you liked quite a bit, Bear. Yeah, Patrick. Bear comes asking for help.
00:48:59
Speaker
Yeah, he comes asking for help. He's super excited to see sphere. I love how he was excited to see Wolf, but Wolf was just like tired and nappy is like, is that all he does? It's like, yeah, these days that is like all puppies getting old. Yeah. Um, but yeah, he, he talks to Connor about how he broke up with his girl from the first season.
00:49:23
Speaker
don't expect me to remember her name, please. And then he asked Superboy for help. But Superboy is busy with Nightwing's mission and having to look after Breon that McGann was like, well, I guess I'll help
00:49:39
Speaker
you out by helping him out. So she goes on the mission instead, which is pretty helpful because it turns out that the new gods were being impersonated by her younger brother, who is a white version. And we've been hinted that she has like a hundred siblings or whatnot, but I guess that she's really close with this one because she caught that essence right away and they had to have like the little mental face off to be like, you can't do this, but it built a really bad relationship with the hive.
00:50:10
Speaker
Because there were like new gods old gods like all of you guys are just like oppressing us and abusing us and this and that like we don't want any of you just get out of our planet. It wasn't it wasn't my favorite episode but it was a strong one in regards to like the amount of stuff that this team has to deal with.
00:50:31
Speaker
Yeah, I can agree with that. That's kind of why I made the little caveat there. It felt a little more removed from the rest of the proceedings, but there definitely were some through lines that tied back in. And kind of as I alluded to, in addition, getting to see the tomorrow people, I can't remember if it's the tomorrow or the... I think it's the forever people, but it might be the tomorrow people. But anyway, the folks from New Genesis, even just one of them again.
00:50:56
Speaker
I like seeing that alien that bug species that was um one that I didn't have a lot of uh I actually didn't have any knowledge about and it's kind of interesting that uh I guess we don't find this out until maybe the next episode as i'm recalling but halo aka Violet as she's starting to call herself she has this
00:51:19
Speaker
just ingrained knowledge about the bug species and their relationship with the new gods and the new Genesis. And I think she even knows like she was able to call out Supertown by name and whatnot. So we started to get the seeds that she is a new god. And I can't remember who's observing her on the monitors that makes that assumption. Do you recall? I actually don't.
00:51:47
Speaker
So it must've been when they were in prison, I think it had to be, I think it was Rachel Goul, or maybe it was Roz or maybe the Sensei, somebody that was observing them in the prison cell. Yeah, I mean, we're skipping ahead a little bit, but yeah, the prison cell, they witnessed her come back to life for the third time. God, this good girl dies a lot.
00:52:13
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And that one, even when the net got snapped, it still disturbed me a little bit, but I was like, okay, at least I know she's coming back now. Yeah, I just grabbed her and it's like, all right, fine. Oh, I flipped her out entirely. It's always a gruesome death with her, Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah. But as you mentioned, as I've had a habit of doing this episode for some reason, I did get ahead of myself. So what even puts us on, I believe it's Infinity Island,
00:52:42
Speaker
Which is where the, the league of shadows has their operations. Yeah. The main reason we even go there in the first place is because, uh, Brion believes his sister might be there. And the main motivating factor of that is we had an opening sequence where Brown or, uh, is it black spider?
00:53:02
Speaker
Yeah, I like spider. Yeah, yeah. You I think you had mentioned in like season one or two. I think it was season one that he popped up how he was basically just spider-man, but he didn't get a lot of opportunities to showcase that off outside of his like just his skill set and powers. And this one very much so. I think he even makes mention is like, is it my quips? Do I need to change my quips? What's going on? So I was funny because it's like Peter partner like it actually is like quippy. But with him, it's like he's just an asshole.
00:53:30
Speaker
He's clearly an assassin so he just like threatening people's lives in the most funny way possible
00:53:37
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. But basically the person that he's tailing meets their demise when a giant rock gets dropped on his head. And that's when Black Spider looks up to a shadowed female figure that obviously was the one that dropped it. And based on the fact that pretty much everybody that's a member of Breon's family, their meta genes manifest some sort of like geological manipulation abilities. They're pretty confident that this is probably his sister.
00:54:04
Speaker
And in very much keeping with the young characters of the show when an older, more experienced hero tells you not to do something,
00:54:14
Speaker
You go and do it anyway. So we get our new little ragtag team. We get Breon Violet, aka Halo. And I guess I should I should have mentioned his name before. But Forager was the bug from New Genesis that basically got exiled from his hive at the end of that episode. And and actually it was McGann's brother like basically gave him a death threat. He's like, if I ever see you again, you're done. So. Hey, did you ever watch the original Teen Titans? Oh, yeah.
00:54:43
Speaker
I never sat down and watched it from beginning to end, but I watched it all the time when it was on TV. So does Tara ring a bell to you? Tara? Yeah. No. You don't remember Tara from... Was that the first name of Starfire or something? It was a girl with the blonde hair that manipulated rocks. We're talking about Teen Titans?
00:55:14
Speaker
Uh, I don't remember that particular character. Okay. That was a huge storyline in the show. So I'm not going to say too much, but her name in Teen Titans was Tara and Breon because they're from a Eastern European country calls her Tara. Okay. But it's essentially the same character, which leads to like.
00:55:38
Speaker
other character traits, which I won't say too much if you don't actually remember. But to all the listeners out there, if you watch Teen Titans, then yeah, it's the same Tara, Tara. Okay. Okay. Well, I've been on record saying, I do have a pretty decent familiarity with a lot of DC Comics and just comics in general, but that's one thing I've really liked about this show is it really has introduced me to a lot of characters that
00:56:03
Speaker
a lot of them I've never even heard of and other ones I've just heard about in passing. So I'll be really curious to kind of do some research after the fact to see who all these various characters are. Because I have to imagine every single person in the Markov royal family are probably real characters. And then even like Simon X, who I mentioned before, it'll just be fun to go see what kind of references they're making as far as all that goes.
00:56:27
Speaker
Yeah, that was one of the ones where it's like they said that her name was Tara a bunch of times, but it didn't click to me until the rock came down. And I was like, wait a minute. Oh, oh. And then my friend confirmed it for me and I was like, holy crap, like they're doing a different spin on her. But it's kind of the same thing. I'm very interested to see where they go with this. OK. All right. Yeah, we'll be keeping an eye on that. But we don't really I'm trying to
00:56:56
Speaker
Remember where, what the resolution of that episode is, because obviously they went in onto infinity Island without permission. And it seems like things are not going their way. Initially they, they actually get captured by Roz or Rachelle. What have you sensei and sensei, correct. And then they have to be rescued.
00:57:19
Speaker
Um, who's, who's all on that rescue effort? Well, Sensei had two people with him. It was the ninja and who was the other person I'm drawing a blank. Hmm. Did he shoot needles? Is that what it was? I just remember that sphere and, uh, forage or had a really cool scene where both of them were like using rollout and like hit like sandwich tables. Oh, that's going to hurt.
00:57:48
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's man I can't remember who it was. But Sensei was doing a great job kicking everyone's ass before. And then he had a little backup come in because it was the team that you said and then the rescue team was Artemis, Dick Grayson, Superboy and my God.
00:58:10
Speaker
because they were all at the house, like talking about like what to do with them. They looked at they were like, where did he go? Oh, and then they were like, where were they? And he just goes back to sleep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just to backpedal a little bit. So, yeah, we had the red hooded ninja. And then the other character was actually Ubu, who we saw in season two. He was the one that ran away with Reisha Ghul's impaled body. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:58:38
Speaker
That's a loyal man. There you are. That is. I think the League of Shadows tends to instill some loyalty. Yeah, good for them. Oh, I did love that scene where Artemis was grilling him, grilling Rachel Ghoul about who the new head of the league was. He's like, it's not my dad, is it? Is it my sister? Go away.
00:59:02
Speaker
I actually have the same goal. I kind of wish they showed them a little more. Yeah. This is class and demeanor. When the other four trespass, they come in, the fights start breaking out and this and that. Sensei is dealing with it with the other two. We get to see Nightwing face off with their Red Hood did figure.
00:59:30
Speaker
I can't believe they actually showed that. That was so cool. Yeah. Another cool face off with some familiarity. There's a lot of cool. I mean, you know me, I like the hand-to-hand stuff, especially the weapon stuff. And we got to see a lot of that with Dick and Artemis. They've just been owning the fight scenes. And I like that they've been showing more of the humans fighting less of the super people. Right. So it was cool seeing them kick ass. And then Rozo will, with his class, just walks in. He's like, all right, that's enough.
00:59:57
Speaker
Yeah, everyone just stops. And then when Brian was accusing him of lying, because he said, like, yeah, I don't run the light anymore. That's what it was like. Oh, yeah. So hard to believe in. Dick has a world of respect for Ross, apparently, because he was like, Rosalgo is a lot of things, but a liar is not one of them. Right. Right. So it's like the fact that they could cease everything in somebody in the Bat family to have like a civil conversation with Rosalgo, like says a lot about that storyline.
01:00:26
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So that's where we get the
01:00:31
Speaker
Yeah. The reason Dick brings up the fact that he's not a liar is that he says not only is he not the head of the shadows or a member of the light, but that he doesn't have the sister. I don't think he explicitly says that the league doesn't have the sister, but he says that he doesn't have his sister, Tara. So they kind of have to just, you know, unless we want this to continue to be more of a bloodbath, we all just kind of have to go our separate way, which I guess in the great scheme of things is not.
01:01:00
Speaker
a terrible resolution. I wouldn't call it a complete success, but it does set up a very similar scene there where Nightwing is the one acting in the Batman role where he's admonishing these young heroes about, you know, acting out. But it really does set them to have that like the same kind of response to it's like, we don't want to be a part of your team. We want to be our team. And even Ravager, it's like he kind of drives it home there. He's like,
01:01:29
Speaker
Halo and Breon are kind of like my new hive now. Oh, Forager, I was like, who's for Aperture? Oh, excuse me, Forager, yeah, not Aperture. Sorry, get my Avedger's confused here. But yeah, and it seems like that's exactly what Nightwing wanted to hear, so.
01:01:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I think that was when he dropped the line of like, I hate being an adult. Yeah. And then this being my favorite episode wraps up in the coolest way where you see Roz Al Ghul talking to the hooded figure and he just goes, great, son, like, oh, you're starting to remember.
Plot Revelations and Power Dynamics
01:02:09
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I heart.
01:02:15
Speaker
It's a great moment and I kind of wish I had like less exposure to DC for that reason so that that one would pay off more. But I feel like anybody that, you know, hasn't been paying attention to DC for any amount of time, they know who that character is. But I won't come out and say it. I'll wait for the show to run out just in case there is anybody that's listening that doesn't know who it is.
01:02:35
Speaker
I'll keep my mouth shut and they might be subverting expectations. They might be making making me think one thing and then they'll zag the other way. I wouldn't be surprised. It would be the first time the show's done it. But then they step it up even further and Talia comes out with a baby in her hands and I was like.
01:02:55
Speaker
Oh yeah, it was Talia, wasn't it? I forgot about that. Do you know that story line? Oh, I know exactly what that means. Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah, good stuff. That's exciting. Yeah, man. As much as I love what this show does, I need so many spin-off shows off of it. For sure, for sure.
01:03:18
Speaker
It's like even like so we did get like little interactions with characters like kid flash and we got to see blue beetle and even like static shock was in the background for stuff like that but you're right it is like and I talked about at the beginning like the show does introduce you to these characters and dears you to these characters but then it it kind of pushes them to the side and focuses on new characters but
01:03:39
Speaker
Yeah, I would love to spend more time with every single one of them. And it was nice to get those little moments with Kid Flash and Blue Beetle and even Wonder Girl. But what episode was it that we got the introduction of that new magic powered girl whose name did not stick with her? I think that was her introduction. OK.
01:04:03
Speaker
Uh, well, that was the episode on the alien planet on. Yeah. Apparently her teacher. That's right. That's right. I wish I remembered her name. Let me go back to that episode. Oh, Tracy Thurston 13. Yeah. Cause she had the 13 on her shoulder. I won't read too far ahead on this week, Wiki, but I guess she's Jaime's girlfriend is the one thing I read.
01:04:27
Speaker
Yeah. We're starting to line back up on our awareness of the series because I've only seen all of it once. And that was when it came out two years ago. So my memory is kind of shaky. Yeah. So yeah, we're going back into both of us being shocked about things. OK. Yeah, but I was just wondering what was going on with that character. I was like, she kind of looks like she's in a stealth suit or something like that. But then, yeah, she just kind of had the throwaway line about her magic influencing something on the ship.
01:04:58
Speaker
But she's a witch. Yeah, yeah. And then on the subject of the ship, I almost forgot to kind of bring it up. But forager, when he when he like solidified his position with this new team, he actually brought a bioship, too. And he was like, especially bioship. And he kind of like rough. And I was like, is this going to be a weird relationship?
01:05:22
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Because he was like, how do you know bioships across? Isn't it obvious? The same dialogue comes up for Halo and Sphere. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, then on the subject of budding romances, I guess I kind of talked about Jefferson and Dr. Jace there, but then
01:05:43
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The the big one for me, we talked about Oracle a little bit, but we get Dick and Barbara having like legitimate like romantic scenes together. It was really cute. Like I can't remember exactly what she said, but they were talking about something and she's like, yeah, but how about you come in here for a kiss or something like that? I was like, this is freaking adorable right now. Like they're such a good little couple. So yeah, as much as I liked him and Zatanna, this was this was really gratifying to watch. Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:11
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I wonder what Batman thinks about that. But he's not. I wonder what Commissioner Gordon thinks about it. That too. Fair point. Fair point. We actually haven't seen Commissioner Gordon in this in this Young Justice world. So I wonder if he's going to pop up at some point or another. But, you know, he's had a lot of adaptations over the years. That's one of the things I've already talked about that I appreciate the show is getting to see ones that I have not been exposed to. So, yeah, Commissioner Gordon, you can take a backseat for this one.
01:06:41
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It's fine. Yeah, you're good. You're good. No, I think I have addressed just about everything that I wanted to cover on these first six episodes here. I think I did a really good job of setting up the narrative going forward. Like I said, by the end of these six episodes, I really
01:07:04
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got a feel for why they're calling it outsiders. But it could totally be a double entendre as well. Maybe outsiders need something else. Because I'm still, I guess the DNA strand that's coming out in the front, that's relating to the meta human stuff that's going on. But we know apocalypse is a big thing too. There were a couple of times, even with the League of Shadows, like a couple of those members, I think it was Ubu. Yeah, Ubu had the
01:07:28
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apocalypse technology and that makes me scratch my head a little bit as much as like razzle ghoul is not a liar and he's not in the light how did he get his hands on apocalypse and technology but that's what the next 20 episodes are for i suppose a couple little well i guess one little hint um we we saw a lot of mother and father box stuff in here so we saw that the i was trying to remember who the just sleep was fighting in the very first scene and it was like
01:07:58
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like apocalypse creatures, right? It was the metahumans on Rand. There was more than that. Like, there was a couple of metahumans, but that wasn't primarily who they were fighting. Yeah, it was, they were soldiers decked out in apokolippin technology. So it's probably a safe assumption that they were apokolippins, but I don't know for certain. They had an apocalypse. So yeah, in that fight, they were doing a lot of father box stuff. And then when,
01:08:30
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When Connor infiltrated the secret lab, like he found a mother box that was ripped apart and was like super mad. He was like, no, this is like, it's alive. They killed him. Yeah. I was like, Oh, that's, that's a lot. That was rough. It did hit me in the fields there too. And then, uh, the other thing with the mother box or the father box, I guess is when.
01:08:53
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Oh, see, that's what's making me think about is because it's capable of translation. Bear uses it to to speak the language on Earth. But then again, uses her powers to basically make forager, be able to communicate with everybody. But then that's when you get that kind of nice joke. It's like, I guess it doesn't work on pronouns. And it's like they have a very strong sense of self. OK. Yeah, that's interesting dialogue. Like, I know what they're going at with it, but it's interesting to try to justify it, too.
01:09:23
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Haha.
01:09:24
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Yeah, agreed. Agreed. The last thing that I thought was really cool was that Halo's powers come as a spectrum, but they're actually like coming out in the proper order of the colors. So it starts off as purple or violet, which is her self healing or self resuscitating, I guess. And then red was the next one, which was the shield. Orange is what gives her flight and then yellow is what gives her the lasers. But it's actually coming out like in the order of a spectrum, which I thought was pretty neat.
01:09:54
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I did not pick up on that at all. I noticed that it was like unique colors to different power sets, which made me obviously this came out first and it's become a reoccurring thing that Young Justice did at first. But obviously it kind of reminded me a little bit of the character Monica Rambeau in WandaVision in terms of the little bit of her powers that we've got the scene seem to be focused similarly on the color spectrum there. But yeah, I think I remember what blue does, but I can't remember green. Hmm.
01:10:24
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Well, it'll be interesting to see. She definitely seems like she's going to be a major character. And then I guess it's worth mentioning that they did find out what her Earth identity was. I guess her name is Gabrielle. I can't remember her last name, but when this information is presented to her, that's when we get those flashbacks that I kind of alluded to where you see her in the morgue and stuff like that. And it's all from her perspective. But even with this information, she says, no, I'm Violet.
01:10:53
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When I was talking about budding romances, I guess I didn't really mention, it seems like she and Brionne, it seems like it's not being as reciprocated by Brionne yet. He was definitely very moved when she was killed, but she even compliments him on being nicely shaped. When he burned his clothes off. Exactly.
01:11:14
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Yeah, that's a that's that reminds me who was that guy whose house they were at with the beard who was worried about his trees His name was Luke, but who is he? I was wondering that I think the first time I watched it too. I was like, who is this dude? Did you say Lucas? I'm looking on the Lucas car Lucas car that sounds right. Oh, so he snapped her car. He must be related to snapper car then. Oh
01:11:40
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He's the principal of Happy Harbor High School. He was familiar with Mount Justice. Was he the dude who, remember that flash episode with all three flashes and they had to stop the dude who was like... Oh, that was a neutron. That was a newt.
01:12:03
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Um, car attended the school's Halloween party wearing his normal attire with an added eye patches costume. So he was at the high school with McGann and Connor. Okay.
01:12:23
Speaker
Wow. They're just high school buddies. Okay. Yeah. It says he broke up what could have become a fight between Connor Kent and Mal Duncan. Oh, so when I said Cal early on, I meant Mal. He was the gentleman that dated Bumblebee and used to or temporarily don the guardian armor. Yeah. I guess he's just... Okay.
01:12:45
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When the Reach's magnetic field disruptors threatened Earth with destruction, Snapper Carr was pressed into service by the Justice League. He assisted in evacuating a school bus and paroled by natural disasters triggered by the MFDs. After the heroes agreed on a course of action, Snapper served as mission's coordinator. From his post on the watchtower, he coordinated operations as 40 heroes divided into 20 squads, simultaneously destroyed 20 MFDs scattered around the globe.
01:13:10
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The operation was smoothly, which led Carr to gleefully express his jubilation at the success. However, the heroes missed the MFD site and discovered his presence blatantly when condition on Earth failed to improve, only through the timely innovation of the flash and impulse.
01:13:25
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Was the disaster inverted so he was he just went to high school with them He has no powers or anything, but he like works for the league. He's like this. Okay so I guess I guess snapper car his first name is Lucas and people that are more familiar with DC snapper car is is a pretty
01:13:43
Speaker
prominent character. He was often where Perry White was kind of the head of the of the Daily Planet. Is that right? Daily Planet. I'm getting the Daily Planet, the Daily Daily Bugle confused there for a second. Yeah, the Daily Planet.
01:13:59
Speaker
He was the one that Clark Kent kind of reported to directly in terms of being an editor. And yeah, he's had a longstanding history with the Justice League. A lot of times he is kind of on the inside and acts as a bit of a liaison for them. Sometimes a little more cantankerous, but it's nice to see this version of him. I didn't know who he was until we looked it up. So interesting way to just kind of sneak him into the background. Okay, right.
01:14:26
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All right. Uh, did you have anything else you want to say about these six episodes of young justice season three outsiders? I think I'm good. Um, yeah, I kind of remember things in snippets from here, but this is, this is going to be a big refresher for me on the next three coverages that we do.
01:14:47
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01:15:05
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And then I will just take an opportunity to plug some of the things that I have going on. I did just appear on some Benjers Assemble coverage for the 2016 version of Suicide Squad, and we just recorded our episode for Birds of Prey, all of that in preparation for the James Gunn version of the Suicide Squad, which drops in a couple days at the time of this recording.
01:15:29
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So keep your ears out for that. And then on the other side of things, I do have an Instagram. It's jscotty for real. That's J S C O T T Y number four R E E L R E E L. Excuse me. And yeah, I've just kind of had a renewed interest there. I've been definitely brushing up on the Photoshop skills and whatnot. So give me a follow there. See what I got going on there.
01:15:54
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And also, Jay Scottie and I have actually managed to line up our schedules with Matthew Fox on the Star Wars Universe podcast, so there's a couple episodes where both of us got to speak. The last one that I was on was probably my favorite episode of the show so far, so a lot of exciting chat there. As of this recording, there's two episodes left of Bad Batch. Hopefully, we can both get our schedules to match up for at least one of those.
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