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Young Justice Season 4 Episode 12
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Zuhair and J Scotty are joined by returning guest, Hayley Hobbs, of the Source Pages Podcast, to discuss the latest entry in Young Justice Phantoms! Episode 12: Og Throf Dna Reuqnoc (Go Forth And Conquer)
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Introduction and Sponsor Message
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Host and Guest Introductions
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One, two, three, it's time for animation, deliberation. A conversation and a celebration.
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of our favorite action animated series. Yeah. All right, folks. Welcome back to Animation Deliberation, the podcast that takes action animation and cartoons seriously, but not too seriously. I'm your host, Jay Scottie St. Clair, and I've got quite the team assembled here to help me cover the latest episode of Young Justice. I have my stalwart co-host, Zuhair Ali. What's up, Zuhair? How are you?
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Doing pretty good. I wasn't expecting to be in the fields with this episode, but on the flip side, I'm glad that somebody else bobs their head with me while you're singing the song. Very good, very good. And that person that you bring up that was bobbing their head along is a very special guest. We welcome back Haley Hobbs from the Source Pages podcast. Haley, how are you? Thanks for being here. Hey, fellas, I'm great. Thanks for having me back. Of course, of course. We always appreciate your thoughts and insights here.
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Okay, before we tackle this episode, we do have a little bit of feedback that's gonna kind of
Listener Feedback from Hera J.K.
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serve as our review this time around. It's a very heartfelt message from one
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Hera J.K. So I've got that here. And she says, hey, guys, first off, great job covering, oddly enough, one of my favorite new shows, Young Justice. I literally said hello, Megan, today when I had a dumb moment. LOL. Secondly, singing your animation deliberation theme song is getting me through a trying day at work. Now I'm whelmed and feeling the aster. Hope to tune in soon. Hera J.K.
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So yeah, when I read that message, it made my day. So thank you. Thank you, Harry. We appreciate you. Okay. And we do have a little bit of a new
Episode Ratings and Spoiler-Free Segment
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segment. This might be new for Hailey. I don't know how much you've been listening to our Hit Monkey coverage or last week's episode, but we do have this new segment where before we get super spoilery, we have you rate the episode on a scale from two. Yeah. So where do you land in here?
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This one kind of surprised me, so I'm going to go with, yeah. Okay. Is that somewhere around a 7, 7.5 out of 10? Is that fair? I'm going to go with a 6.5. Oh, okay. Fair enough. This is your hair. How about yourself? Okay, I can match this. Yeah. Okay. There's been a lot more buildup on this arc.
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than the past ones have had. And it is intriguing. There is a lot of mixing in kind of the other story stuff, which is fine. But it's like this moment that they're covering right now is just there's so much going on that I know that the other stuff like with Beast Boy is going to come to fruition. But like I'm just I'm getting a little impatient, I guess, or it's like give me more of like this apocalyptic event happening right now. Totally.
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Yeah, that's totally fair. Well, yeah, valid points there with that being said, I think I was probably in like the seven 7.5 range just because I was riding pretty high after being correct on my prediction about who the narrator was going to be. So that did Bowie. Yeah. So with that being said, we can just kind of get into the nitty gritty of the episode we did, as I always kind of like to do, I like to divide the
Young Justice Storylines: Zitara and Child vs. Sentinels
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kind of stories that we got up at the top, and then we can kind of dive into the ones that interested us the most. So we did have the kind of backstory for Zitara there, as well as the ongoing battle between child and the Sentinels of Magic. And then we got the Magic Bus Story with Clarion, which was absolutely awesome. And then the Beast Boy stuff that you mentioned. I'm not missing anything there, am I?
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I don't think so. Okay, okay. So where do we want to start? What called out to you guys the most? For me, it was adorable. Let's see what the guest wants to go. Of course it was adorable. I actually really enjoyed the Clarion stuff.
Clarion's Storyline and Comedic Elements
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Oh, cool. Like I laughed out loud when he was like, well, now I'm just a flaming diamond careening through space and time. Because it kind of lent this levity to the episode that made it a little more enjoyable for me.
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It's so meta. Very. Yeah. Well, we had all that theorizing and speculation about the bus last episode, so I'm really glad that they kind of were able to go back and have all those touchstones. Towards the end, I thought it was getting a little repetitive with them being like, oh, these aren't the heroes I want. These aren't the heroes I want. But it was still just nice to. We were kind of questioning. We were like, we know that School Bus showed up in season one, but where exactly was it? And it was just nice to get that scene recreated from a little bit of a different perspective.
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I mean, it's like, we know that it was redundant, but that's also his character, too. Like, there's been so many end credits scenes and so many moments, and he's just going, dang it! Dang it! Dang it! So it really was true to his character. Again, like, in a 20-minute episode, there's a couple more things we could have hit, but it's not like it was unusual for what we would have expected to him.
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And I love the way that it started off with Superman rescuing the bus off the bridge. Sure. Because when that happened, I didn't realize it was a flashback. So when he was holding up the bridge, I thought of that moment of season one, I was like, I bet you wish you had Superboy to help you out now. Right. And then when he popped in and it was that exact scene, I was like, oh, yeah, that hurt. Yeah, I was I was trying to be mean, but they kind of backfired at me. Oh.
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As soon as Connor came in, I knew it was a flashback because I was like, well, as far as we know, he is deceased. Womp womp. Indeed, indeed. And I did really love the fact that he called the school bus a motorcycle. Like goes on the show. He spent millennia on earth and hasn't taken the time to like learn anything about humanity whatsoever. He likes a lot of self-awareness.
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that he does, that he does. And then when actually that one point in time where he brought himself back to where he had split the earth into the two, you know, the adult world and then the children world. And he was like, whose idea was it to split the world into? I was like, uh, that was you guy. Um, yeah, yeah. Any, anything else we want to bring up about Clarion's exploits? I'm glad that when they started it off with his anchor,
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the neck being snapped. They didn't include the sound again this time because that was so cringy the first time we heard it. Yeah, it was. But I didn't notice like all the blood like coming out of the nose and all that this time. I was like.
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We were at the zoo yesterday and the zoo here has, I have a point for this. The zoo here has a new leopard exhibit and one was like eating at lunch or something. And as soon as I heard something go crunch, I was like, I'm out of here. So it reminded me of that moment. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty sickening, but effective sound design there. And RIP Teagle, RIP Teagle. Yeah. I don't have a clone in Kansas. Just want to, she's actually talking about like. Oh, okay.
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We went to the ZOO. Good stuff, good stuff. Okay, so where would we like to pivot now? Do we want to move on to Zatara? That sounded like you had some interest there, Zuhair.
Zatara's Backstory and Heroic Journey
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Yeah, I mean, I think our main prediction was that like the first three stories that we got, even though it was different narrators, the story itself was very cohesive in like how they all tied into each other. So when we were expecting Zatar to be the narrator, it was like, does it does him telling the story fit, right? Like the theme of what the last three stories were. So
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it was cool that it actually was his story and his origin as a superhero and what his family means to him. And, you know, they're very busy, does a phenomenal job at just being inclusive. And now we have like survivors guild and dealing with cancer patients and the loss of a loved one and like adding that on top of like the emotional low that they've already like shoved on us in the last three seasons. Sure.
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Yeah, so again like just the level of detail that they put into that and of course like I got into the fields when they went back to the scene of Zatanna not only having to say it was my fault It's my fault like don't punish my dad for this and then you know reminding us that She only gets to see him for an hour every year Right and you know seeing her break down and just like the way that she was clenching her dress and stuff like that like So rough
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It was, it really was. And he's one of those characters, as much as he's been part of the proceedings for so long, he is a character that we have not gotten to spend a lot of one-on-one time with. So I just really appreciate that, being able to get inside his headspace and you talk about that survivor's guilt and just how terrible he feels about
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basically abandoning his daughter twice and he did it to save her. We've gotten to see the anguish that Zatanna feels, but for me it was, I don't want to say satisfying, but it just endeared me to his character that much more. And it does kind of feel like we're probably going to say goodbye to him sooner rather than later, that being the case.
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But if they're going to go that way with it, I was really glad to get that opportunity to get to know him a little bit better and his inner thoughts. And yeah, just with the last episode learning that he's a man of faith, it's just a really interesting character study there, like to be Dr. Fate, but still have that faith and that conflict is just really interesting stuff to me.
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It's interesting that last episode we were talking about who's going to pick up the mantle next. Like, yeah, he's probably going to die soon. And now that we're getting closer to that time, it's like, oh man, we're going to be losing him soon. With that in mind, there were a couple of times that Dr. Fate spoke. And I almost kind of felt like I could hear, you can almost always hear a second voice coming in, but it sounded like Kyle Lidd's voice, did it not?
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No, I thought it was just Zatara's voice because before it was like mostly Nomu's voice and his was a little underneath. But ever since there was a crack in the helmet, like you hear more of Zatara actually leaking out. And I'm wondering if like he's getting a little more control of his body because the helmet's been severed now. Mm hmm. Yeah.
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Zatara also brought us the word of the day, the rest of the digitization. I was like, I got to look that one up. What do you have for us?
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I don't mean sleight of hand. Ah, good to know. Good to know. I learned something. We all did. None of us knew what that meant. I mean, he pulled the immigrant card, too. I was about to make a joke saying it's like that's a big word for, you know, somebody who has English as their second language. But you know, that is pretty impressive. But seeing like how somebody like Superman influenced him to be a hero.
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and how it was just kind of like he did one good thing and it just recognized and escalated and then he made even like went out of his way to make the point it's like I feel like everything I've done every decision that I've made every person that I've saved has led me to be this person to protect my daughter and to be in this moment to like make sure that she's safe it was like such a wonderful being
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Yeah, indeed. Superman's kind of a difficult character, and we've already talked on this show about some of the better interpretations versus some of the weaker ones. But we obviously really like this interpretation. And I always really appreciate when they touch on the adopted nature of Superman's character, having been adopted himself and having adopted a home, and then as well as the immigrant side that is there to being an alien. So it's awesome to see that Zatarah saw that and kind of
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use that as motivation himself, coupled with the fact that his daughter was such an influence on him. We talked before how the nature of their relationship before he became Dr. Fate was very parently. That's when the show was embracing the young side of these characters so much. And to be fair, she was only like 13, 14 at that point. So just really nice to get the full picture of how much of an influence she was on him.
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I have a question. You guys know better than I do. Who is Kent Nelson in this story? I don't know who that character is. Kent Nelson was the original Doctor Fate in the comics or the original host for Doctor Fate in the comics. And he was the first Doctor Fate that we were introduced to in this
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this iteration of the character. Oh, okay. That was a long time ago that I watched that. Oh, yeah, no problem. And to be fair, they have kind of updated the character model a little bit. Like when you saw him at the end of the opening scene, I thought it was him, but I wasn't 100% sure. So he was laughing at me. No, he said to be fair, like three times now I'm rewatching Letter Candy and I can't like not seeing it in the middle of him saying like some important dialogue. Go for it.
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I have a question though as well in regards to Zatara. The fire that took place at his magic show, do we think that was just an accident or did I miss something on screen that showed how it started or do we think there were more nefarious or
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What's the word I'm looking for? Basically people trying to influence fate there by starting the fire and putting him on that trajectory, becoming a hero. That's
Fate's Struggle and Potential Outcomes
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immediately what my question was. Who started that fire?
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we didn't start. I initially thought that it was just an accident. But you asking the question reminds me that they did show Kent Nelson in the stands like seconds after. Okay. So maybe it was like a Harry Potter moment of like, let me just throw this over here and see how he deals with it. That's kind of dark. If that's true. I like that answer. Yeah, that's kind of where my mind was going as well.
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Because in the DC animated universe, that's what Zatanna is doing, is she's just doing magic shows and stuff like that and Constantine comes in and he's just kind of like, why are you actually wasting real magic on these shows and stuff? So I could see that just being like a recurring thing of, he knew that he had magic but didn't realize he could use it for the purpose of saving people until
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maybe it was an accident or maybe Nelson was just like, hey, put this out real quick. Yeah, sure. I really like the answer, Kent Nelson. If not him, I'm thinking maybe Clarion, because we saw Clarion going to all these different points looking for a hero and how fitting it would it be if he actually had to recruit his original nemesis in Dr. Fate and actually start Kent Nelson on that, or not Kent Nelson, but Zatar on that path, excuse me.
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They don't make it easy on us with the names. They don't. If you or Andrew have some time to kill in the next couple of weeks, you should definitely take a montage of the school bus and be like, I need a hero. Oh my gosh, please do that. I love the one who's accused this episode. Make sure that we have an 80s version of it.
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If you guys aren't following our Instagram, Andrew's been doing a fantastic job at keeping up with that. And he had the spoiler free montage of the podcast. I don't know if you guys saw that. It was hilarious. Yeah. Hopefully it'll be a recurring thing. So go throw some likes on there if you haven't already. Yeah.
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big ups and kudos to Andrew for everything he's doing on the Instagram. Definitely appreciate that effort. Okay. For my purposes, I think the kind of natural point here is to kind of move on to the sentinels of magic. Yeah. Okay, cool. Cool. So right out of the gate, we basically just pick up from where we left off with last episode with Clarion being taken out and then child immediately just takes out the tower of fate, which is pretty intense.
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they tried to PTSD us with those images of all the kids and Zetana like being like, I don't know, silhouetted, I guess is the term. Sure. I was like, Oh my gosh, are they taking out like a whole pack of people in this episode too? This is horrible. Yeah. Yeah. But she's a badass and she saved them. So yeah, yeah, she is.
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It's like, and as much as I absolutely love her, that's no secret. Like, it makes me even more mad at fate. And I'm trying to headcanon it by saying that because he's so tied to the Tower of Fate and because it is its own sentient thing, like maybe he felt the Tower's pain.
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And that's why, like, he didn't respond as quick as Zatanna did. Interesting. But at the same time, it brings more. It's like, if you're this god dang Lord of Order, like, you're here to protect these people. You are here to fight these Lords of Chaos. Why are you such a wuss when you are needed? Do your effing job. Yeah, there was some of that. I felt that too. I was like, why is he so like, he seemed so weak even before they cracked the helmet and stuff. Yeah.
00:17:56
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Yeah, I wonder if that has something to do with the host body's life force, because towards the end of the episode, Zatara mentioned it's going to take everything that's left in him to accomplish this. But yeah, he has that moment where he's pretty bloodied up and scraped, and he kind of does the one over with the magic to heal everything except for the fate of helmet. It still has that crack, and that's when you can tell he's pissed.
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And I have to imagine later on when they all think that they're going to take child out and he says, and for you, a fate worse than death. I was like, yeah, that's totally payback for that crack that you're rocking. It's personal now. You almost killed my daughter, but you cracked my helmet and that's what's really important to me as a success.
00:18:43
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This is also after like going through the world and seeing these fire pillars in a bunch of different countries. So it's like he saw all this and all these people dying. It shows like how dare you crack my face.
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Yeah, he's very unfazed by those events. Yeah, right. All right, next place. Next place. Next place. Are we there yet? I'm getting a lot of Dr. Strange vibes with him too, in which it's just like over arrogance. Definitely. And thinking that they can handle the situation with such ease until the situation comes to play. It's like, whoops, I'm not that great.
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Yeah, literally, because I just listened to MCU casts, um, incident reaction of no way home.
Comparisons to Dr. Strange and Team Tensions
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And they kind of talk about that. And so I had the exact same thought. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, man, these doctor sorcerers really need to get their head out of their ass.
00:19:32
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Yeah, a PhD doesn't give you the right to be an ass. Sorry. You're good. The other pretty impactful scene that was born right out of the chaos that happened right there is when Mary jumps to and uses the power of Zeus to try to take child out once again.
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And right off the bat, I was kind of wondering, the power of Zeus, is she stealing their bioelectricity there? Or was she stealing some of their magic? I couldn't quite tell. I thought it was their magic. Yeah, the dialogue afterwards was them saying that it's like, don't take my magic without my consent again. Which I get the violation part of it, but I mean, you were about to die. Yeah, it was a good conversation. I don't know.
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They addressed all of that. Like it wasn't like, Hey, good job. It was like, that wasn't cool. Like we'd get the situation. She didn't have to like defend herself. It's like, I know, I know. Like I didn't do like the promise that won't be a recurring thing, but kind of needed to do something because we were going to die. As you just said, they're just calling. Okay. All right. This time, you're lucky. You have a good excuse.
00:20:48
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I have to imagine it's going to come back to play, if not by this mid-season finale later on in the season, just because with a little bit of backstory we got for Mary last episode, she obviously has a little bit of an issue with control and decision making, especially when it comes down to the wire. And she might be a little power hungry, even though she's trying not to be right now. Yeah, indeed.
00:21:18
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What if like she has to call Shazam and she'd like actually be able
Speculations on Fate's Successor and Wizard's Role
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to face this threat and get super arrogant and takes the helmet for herself just to like bump it up even more but because of that crack like she actually has control. I want to see that.
00:21:43
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I like where your head's at. I like where your head's at. I do still think that Khaled is going to be our new doctor fate, but I totally be open to the helmet being passed around a little bit until we find the best candidate. That'd be kind of cool to see. Play hot potato with the helmet.
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See, I'm taking the words out of my mouth. Hot potato of fate. Yeah. Good times, good times. So when they were on their kind of like wild goose chase for child and they were stopping at these various places, there was a city that they stopped at where
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Zatanna noted that the wizard was helping. And he was dressed in what looked to me like Victorian era turn of the century type garb. And my first thought was this the wizard that's often connected to Shazam the wizard that gave Shazam his powers or is this just another character I'm not familiar with.
00:22:46
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Maybe because that was the same city the end scene was in, right? Because the Superman says something to the effect of, we can't count on him showing up again, right? Ooh, good call. Good call. And Zatanna even says something along the lines of like, wow, the wizard's actually helping. Like, she was surprised to see him. Right, right. I got the sense that he's one of those, I don't interfere with things I just kind of observe. Yeah, so. TJ, look it up for us.
00:23:16
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Give us an unspoiled breakdown of who the wizard is. Right, yeah. Give it to us, I'll make it easy on us. I mean, they do that a lot with these seasons, too, is they just throw in heroes without any context. And it's like, if you were a diehard DC fan, you know, if not, it doesn't take away from the story. And if it does need to contribute to the story, they'll give us the background, but for sure.
00:23:37
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It was cool seeing, was it Phantom Stranger? Phantom Stranger bringing everybody in.
00:23:47
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And the Superman dialogue that you mentioned about having like a Justice League reserves reminded me of the of the Civil War comic from Marvel, where they had like a hero in each of the 50 states, like there was like a small team. So that whenever something happened deployed, so it just kind of reminded me of that. It seems that they're heading in that direction, like within a certain country or within a certain radius, there's like a small hero team that can be called on if nobody can make it there quick enough.
00:24:15
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Did he call it the real Justice League reserves? Is that how he referred to it?
00:24:23
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I'll be honest a lot of that dialogue kind of like went in and wonder and out the other I need to rewatch it because I was just so excited number one see Jefferson again Yeah, and the Nightwing so I was just waiting for Nightwing to talk but we did not get any dialogue from Jesse McCartney again But it was still nice to see yeah, we really have seen his plot more than his face Both Nightwing and Jesse McCartney I'm here for you girls Sorry, I don't do a good no job at that
00:25:01
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I only mentioned, cause I feel like it stuck out to me when he said, but I didn't write it down as part of the quote. So maybe I made that up. Uh, no, I, I wouldn't doubt it, but I'll find out. Yeah, we'll find out. The pros and cons of an instant reaction. Yeah.
00:25:20
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For sure, for sure. Were there any other heroes, speaking of Phantom stranger there and like the kind of quote unquote army he collected there, were there any other notable heroes that, you know, you wanted to bring up?
00:25:33
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We saw the Themyscirans come up a little bit. We saw Wonder Girl, Wonder Woman, and I forget her name. Was it Troia? The one that's like Troia is correct. And then who's the Atlantean representative on the UN? Was it Garth?
00:25:53
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Garth is correct. Yes, but he was also in that end credits scene With yeah, he was with Nightwing with don't dialogue Let's see. We had ret tornado pop in we haven't seen him in a while. We saw canary Mm-hmm guy gardeners green lantern. It was from the flashback. Yeah Yeah Yeah, so it was cool. Just seeing these people again in a very little capacity For sure for sure
00:26:23
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Any other big call outs as far as the adventures that the Sentinels of Magic went on this time around? It was cool when they were on the polar ice cap and they finally tracked child and they all poured their power into Nobu, even though it didn't work.
00:26:42
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Yeah. Well, I mean, even child acknowledged it pretty, pretty, pretty. It was a very pretty display of magic. You cannot light her. You cannot kill me. You cannot kill me. Yeah. It's just an amazing badass scene of everyone putting the power in his Atana, then up to Fane, his awesome dialogue and the sky getting dark. And she's just like, yeah, screw you.
00:27:07
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What are we going to do about flaw? Because flaw doesn't seemingly have any weaknesses so far. He needs a crack like the helmet. Who do you think is going to be the first one? Is he made of diamond or crystal or ice? Like what's he made out of? I think he's supposed to be a diamond. Yeah. Well, that's challenging then. Yeah. Any predictions as far as to who's going to be the first one to actually do like significant damage to the flaw?
00:27:38
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Clarion. Ooh. He probably has a couple of weaknesses in mind. Mary. I like both of those a lot. That could be what causes Mary to, you know, we talked about her being power hungry. Um, that could be the catalyst for that. Yeah. I like that, but I like Clarion too. Um, yeah. If you've got any predictions, please let us know at animation deliberation podcast at gmail.com.
00:28:07
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All right. So at this point, I believe we can move on to, I guess, what got the least amount of attention, but was still incredibly poignant in being Beast Boy's exploits on set and some of the trouble he's facing there.
Beast Boy's Struggles and Potential Unifying Event
00:28:29
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It was nice to get some development there.
00:28:33
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but I do feel like that storyline is just moving on a little bit too slowly for me. How are we all feeling about that?
00:28:42
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I mean, like we see the trouble with work and everything. And the important thing was that like the option of therapy finally came up because even his boss was like, we have the resources. Like we get that your friend died and this and that like, we're here to help, but you kind of need to do your job at the same time. And the fact that they're actually going through contingencies and, uh, things of that sort, like with the job is kind of a big deal, but I feel like all of that could have happened in one seat. It didn't need to be such a recurring thing as it was.
00:29:11
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I think they're trying to showcase all the aspects of that, though, and how long it can take somebody to get help or to understand that they need help. And it does feel like it's taking a while, but they're doing it in little bits in the episode. So I don't feel like it's something I'm not interested in anymore.
00:29:33
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That's an excellent point. That makes me eat my words. I'm really glad you say that. The show has always done such a great job tackling issues, mental health issues, emotional issues with a very deaf tone. It does make sense. It could take someone a very long time. You can have everyone else telling you or advising you to do things, but until you accept yourself that you need that help.
00:29:53
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it's never going to happen. So I do appreciate that aspect. We could see it in his hero life, his personal life. Now we need to see it in his professional life, and hopefully he will be there now. But that makes me appreciate it that much more. Thank you for saying that, Haley. It was real sad though when he was walking off set. I think he gave up, and so they're probably going to ride him off of the Star Trek. I love that it was Star Trek. Yeah, complete with a sit-in for Will Shatner. Yeah. The dialogue balanced it out too because it
00:30:23
Speaker
the the background character, the clam head dude, didn't have the same dialogue. So when he was saying it, it was like, oh, hey, here's hope in this and that. But when he was walking off set, the clam head dude was like, we need to surrender. So the emotion of the show was kind of like really balancing out like the emotion that we were seeing through guard, which was even more depressing.
00:30:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And then of course the Hollywood producer is the typical producer and like, uh, we just want to do what's best for the show. And you obviously, but yeah, I was like a little angry about that. I was like, what about your person here? Yeah. Cause they said it was like 3 AM. Like all of them are going to be back in a couple of hours. Wow. Yeah. Tough times for Garfield, but I think he needs a visit from his sister.
00:31:16
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, they even said it's like, it seems like you're a million miles away. It's like 140 million to be exact. Oh yeah. Well.
00:31:29
Speaker
I guess thinking about the season as a whole and kind of where we're getting to at this mid season finale, I guess like we'll probably just continue to stick with this, the sentinels of magic and, um, Zatanna rather than pivoting somewhere else. Wouldn't you, wouldn't you expect? Yeah, it seems like the last episode before their break is probably just going to wrap up the storyline.
00:31:54
Speaker
Mm-hmm, or pass it on the next episode the mid season. Yeah finale. Okay, correct correct. Yeah, I I think that's where they're gonna go with it too, but I almost wouldn't be surprised if they kind of pulled something out of left field and found a way to Cohesively combine everything we've seen so far In terms of like, you know that time-traveling trio facing that mystery assailant
00:32:22
Speaker
Artemis and Jade's kind of ongoings with the League of Shadow and then this stuff with the Tower of Fate. I mean, I'm trying to think back on previous seasons. It's probably a little bit later on in the season that things really start to kind of all come to a head. But I don't know if I can say for certain that we've had so many different storylines all going on at the same time. Well, they did it so chaotically in season three. One, two, and three.
00:32:52
Speaker
Cause it was very episodic. So there was like so much stuff going on at the same time and trying to, I mean, that's why I was trying to like split it up in arcs, like to end it up on an episode that kind of tied them together. I think this is the most like cohesive we've ever seen it. Okay.
00:33:10
Speaker
And I'm like child is doing something that's actually affecting the whole planet right now where everybody else was kind of dealing with their own isolated issues so there could be something that happens next episode that affects everybody that kind of
00:33:25
Speaker
makes a call to action and brings everyone together or has specific objectives to deal with. I don't think that child story is going to wrap up, but there's definitely going to be some ramifications to what it's doing that is going to make everybody set their stories a little differently unless they do back in time stuff. I wonder if child will have any interactions with Vandal Savage or the light and how that would go down.
00:33:53
Speaker
Maybe because Vandal was looking over from his monitor and how Earth was being decimated. So who knows? I'm just ready for someone to take her out. Didn't she start wrecking Apocalypse too? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. And I think that might have been Big Barda.
00:34:16
Speaker
that we saw. It's a character that I'm pretty vaguely familiar with, that she's one of the new gods from Jack Kirby's fourth world. I'm pretty sure it was big Barty there we saw for a second, kind of looking concerned when it set up apocalypse like one year later.
00:34:32
Speaker
Do you think there's going to be any reason, like is this a big enough reason to bring back some of our characters from last season, like Violet and Cyborg and I forgot the Beatles name? Forager. Forager, yeah. Forager doesn't like it when you forget Forager's name. I know, I feel really bad. Forager makes his name very clear.
00:34:54
Speaker
Yeah, I'd kind of be surprised if we didn't see them, even if it's in a limited capacity. We've already seen Cyborg a little bit and then Violet just a little bit, even though it was just a post-credits scene. But it hasn't been highlighted too much with Beast Boy's stuff, but I know when he was on Mars, he was definitely having like those hallucinations of Brion and
00:35:15
Speaker
feeling a lot of guilt there, so if that doesn't come back in some fashion, I would be a little disappointed and a little surprised. I'm trying to think where else a connection would be too, because we have Nightwing, Rocket, Aqualad, or Aquaman. Am I missing one? For like whose arcs are left? Because we don't have a Kid Flash.
00:35:44
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's it in the opening credits. We get Nightwing, Connor, McGann, Rocket, and Zatanna, right? Yes, I'm trying to think whose story would actually tie them in. Nightwing would make the most sense to me just because of how involved Dick was with all of that. Yeah, and especially with all the metahumans immigrating over there. Yeah.
00:36:13
Speaker
Who knows, who knows, we will find out sooner rather than later though, I am sure. I love this show.
00:36:20
Speaker
Yeah, it's really good stuff. I have to thank you again for suggesting it in the first place. It's been a pleasure to to cover so far. The other thing I wanted to bring up here, so we talked about a little bit last week, but we've been discovering thanks to Jim Brady that our episodes are basically spelling out something. So we know it was like invitation. Yeah, invitation to
00:36:51
Speaker
All right, yes, we still just we still have the K we just still have the K. Okay, I thought maybe we we'd have some more You guys hash that out and know our knowledge is also a possibility. Oh, yes. Good call. Good call Invitation and no, I like that or in just invitation and knowledge. Yeah works on us. Yeah, that could knock out nine episodes. Oh
00:37:16
Speaker
Oh, I wasn't counting. I was just in the game of words. No, that works. There's what, 26 total? Oh, well then I was counting, obviously. Good stuff. Good stuff. Yeah. So no, no real developments there, but I really do like that call out. No, our knowledge. Yeah. Those are probably be better than kill or keep.
00:37:41
Speaker
That kills probably pretty accurate invitation to kill time with those like time travelers but then I don't know where it goes from there that wouldn't we still need more letters invitation to kill everyone invitation to kill child
00:38:00
Speaker
I would accept.
Listener Feedback from TJ Stafford
00:38:05
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Unless either of you have anything else you need to bring up about this episode in particular, I thought this is kind of a natural point to pivot to TJ Stafford's feedback. Yeah, so TJ Stafford writes,
00:38:22
Speaker
You guys totally called this week's narrator, so hats off to you. I never expected to get an origin story for Zatara, but I really enjoyed it. Unfortunately, I don't think he's going to survive this arc. Dr. Fate seems very weak compared to other appearances, even to the point that the helmet of Fate was damaged. I'm having a hard time predicting how this threat is going to be resolved, but I'm very much looking forward to it.
00:38:45
Speaker
I was glad to see that Clarion wasn't killed, just banished from the physical plane and needed another body, which led us to finally getting answers about the bus. I wasn't the biggest fan of Clarion jumping through time and space like he did. But on the other hand, I really love how they tied all those incidents together. That's a deep, hot, wet continuity as Matt Carroll would say. Check out Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast.
00:39:17
Speaker
I'm glad to see Gar is still with us. I was nervous after last week, but to add to everything else he's dealing with, he now essentially lost his TV role, which I'm sure is going to help his depression.
00:39:29
Speaker
With the midseason finale coming up, I feel like his rock bottom is close at hand, and I'm not looking forward to seeing what that might look like. Finally, for those of us playing catchphrase bingo, Tracy has hit Hello Meghan and Mother of Goats so far in this arc. Did I miss staywhelmed? As always, I can't wait to hear your thoughts. I'm not sure if we've heard her say staywhelmed, but I know she used crash at least once, right? Who says Mother of Goat?
00:39:59
Speaker
He said she did 13 Tracy like but what's that a reference to? Oh I Might not even be a reference to anything. It might just be Yeah, okay. He said catchphrase Oh, I thought he was just giving kudos for a catchphrase that tickled him, but let's see Mother of goat. Oh Breon says it
00:40:28
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Does he? Okay. Stupid Breon. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Tracy just hasn't worked with Dick that much.
00:40:40
Speaker
Because for a while, he just kind of had his own thing and then just wasn't really working with the team as much. But she really looks up to Kid Flash, like the new Kid Flash, and it's dating Blue Beetle. So I feel like because that's in her circle, she might be taking their dialogue more than the people she may not as interact with as much. Because Beast Boy is like her mentor and everything too. So I don't know. Yeah.
00:41:10
Speaker
These young heroes that we started out with, as we've mentioned it before, but they are no longer young. They've been around for 10 plus years. So it just kind of makes sense that the new generation would look up to them like that. So yeah. That would be fun to just get on Twitch one night and just make a Young Justice bingo board. Just send it out to me. We'll see who hits it first, because there's a lot of catchphrases on that. I actually really like that idea. That's a great idea. I like that a lot. Yeah, that'd be great. That'd be great. Good call.
00:41:40
Speaker
One of the things he mentioned in his feedback though is not being super jazzed about Clarion's travels through the various places and planes and what have you, but it did make me think of when it was Canary and Green Arrow save the bus and like the one girl actually got off the bus and thought she was saved, but then when Clarion fades out, I can say, oh, you poor soul.
00:42:06
Speaker
I just want to know why a school bus has that big of a dashboard. What is happening on all those monitors for you to just drop kids off at school? It's complicated. Yeah, they live in a world where chaos reigns, so they have to be prepared for anything.
00:42:25
Speaker
Yeah, other than that, I think we're kind of on the same page, at least I'm on the same page as TJ in terms of not being super confident about Zatara's longevity there. And then as far as Beast Boy goes, yeah, I agree. He's been in a pretty dark place now, so if he has to descend much deeper and hit rock bottom, I don't know what that looks like, but it's not gonna be.
00:42:53
Speaker
fun even if it needs to happen. It is the holiday season, so maybe they can end things on a little bit of a writer note there. I don't know. I think he might be in really bad shape in the next episode. I'm just trying to be an optimist. Probably not. I gave my depressing scenario last episode, so I'll just keep my mouth shut on that.
00:43:21
Speaker
Yes, let's not speak that into existence. No, no, we shan't. Well, at this juncture, I think I've said everything that I want to say about this episode, at least until I've had the opportunity to do a rewatch. Anything else you all would like to bring up about? Go forth and conquer. I had an old snap moment about like 15, 20 minutes ago that I was hoping would come back, but it hasn't. So which I think I'm good.
00:43:51
Speaker
You gotta write those down when they come to you. Oh, you were hoping it would come back to your brain. I thought you were just, you were saying that the conversation would go back to it. No, I was, I was hoping I'd remember what it was. Post on Instagram when you remember. I remember what it was, even though I have no idea what I'm talking about.
00:44:10
Speaker
Well, I'll take a good little break before I edit this. So if it comes back to you, you can send it to me as a voicemail. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, uh, it's that point of the show where I will give you the floor to let the people know what you have going on. Haley, what's going on in the world of spark or just the world of Haley? Um, in the world of Haley, I'm on vacation. So it's amazing in the world of spark. We've been really busy. We're.
00:44:39
Speaker
going to end our year, our 2021, doing a review and comparison of the Hawkeye series. We're going to record that tomorrow on Christmas Eve day. And then we're going to do an end of year wrap up with a couple of special guests. One might be Zuhair Ali. And then I think
00:44:58
Speaker
Oh, big news. Can't believe I forgot. Brian's shaking his head at me. We're going to cover the War of the Bounty Hunters comic series for the book of Boba Fett that's coming out on December 29th. So we will record and make sure that episode drops before the series does. So we have a lot to do in five days. No disintegrations. No pressure.
00:45:24
Speaker
Hey, if you guys remember a slow period again, you know, there's always some source material and young justice. That there is, that there is, it was a comic line well before it was a TV show. I'm filing it away. But no, we've had a great time doing that. We appreciate both of you have been on that podcast and, uh, we can find us wherever you listen to your podcast and we have Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Very cool. Very cool.
00:45:54
Speaker
Alright, Mr. Zuhair. What's going on in the world of Zuhair? Speaking of Instagram, like I mentioned earlier, Andrew is doing a fantastic job keeping us up and active on that. So show some love and throw a couple hearts here and there when you can.
00:46:09
Speaker
Aside from that, next week is the last episode of Young Justice before we hit the midseason finale. But Demon Slayer is very active. These episodes are incredible and we're excited to be hitting that on a weekly basis. So if you haven't caught up, now's the time to do so. If you have any feedback, we're very excited to read it.
00:46:31
Speaker
I thought I had one more thing and my train just totally derailed so let's just go with that. Oh, that's what it was. I put a post out on the Stranded Panda chat on Facebook asking for your favorite animated series of this year.
00:46:48
Speaker
and which animated series or movie you're looking forward to in 2022. So if you're not on the Facebook chat, shoot us an email at animationdeliberationpodcast.com. We just want to make sure that if there's anything exciting that we give it the attention that it deserves. Yeah, I think that was a great prompt. We didn't really discuss it, but when I saw that you did that, I was delighted and excited.
00:47:15
Speaker
Thank you for doing that. And with that in mind, I'll just kind of, it's been fun when we put some like random prompts out for feedback. So for this one, I will just say in looking back on 2021, whatever your
00:47:30
Speaker
Best animated moment from 2021 was, let us know at animationdeliberationpodcastatgmail.com or you can hit us up on the other social medias, the Twitter, the Instagram, or the Facebook group, the Stranded Pin of Chat, that's facebook.com slash spchat. Did either of you have one like immediately pop into your head as you said that? It's going to be tough not to pick one from Invincible.
00:47:59
Speaker
Um, that, that finale, like really, I, I, I cried. So one popped in my head. What are you getting sliced in half? I love it. I immediately thought of the, of the two bounty hunters fighting each other in bad batch. I love how we had all had something different. I keep forgetting about bad batch.
00:48:27
Speaker
It's just such a high bar for animation quality and choreography. So season two, you better deliver. Yep. Okay. With that being said, thanks everybody for listening. This was a lot of fun. Looking forward to the next entry and thanks for tuning in. That's T-double-O-N-I-N. Stay whelmed. Later.
00:48:55
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