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The Princess Diaries
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THE QUEEN IS COMING! This week on Go Get Your Girl, Emma and Katie dive into their innter Mia Thermopolises as they trip over the bleachers, drop the ice cream, and accidentally discover they're next in line for the throne.
They debate the real villain of the film (absolutely Lily), celebrate Genovia as a country built entirely on vibes and press conferences, and question how no one clocked a literal queen wandering around San Francisco.
It’s unhinged nostalgia, feral teen angst, and a loving roast of the movie that taught us that the secret to royalty is a flat iron 👑✨
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Betrayal and Musical Adaptation Journey
00:00:00
Speaker
um so my boyfriend betrayed me oh um okay go on and uh so i don't know i'm sure i've told you emma uh but not the podcast audience about the musical that i wrote in grad school yes which is um unfortunately for me the exact same as gentleman's guide 11 murder was not my fault um is this zombie ex-boyfriend No, no, no.
00:00:27
Speaker
zombie Zombie Boyfriend was the first musical I wrote, which is an original original musical. um In grad school, my first year of grad school in musical theater class, we had, um our assignment was to write a musical. And um over the course of all the assignments, like may all make all the songs, the assignments that we had, be part of the same musical. And in that class, you only had to write lyrics, but I can't really write lyrics to something without writing music for it. So me and another composer who was in the the class, I mean, none of the other students were there, like eight students in the class and two of us were composers and nobody else was.
00:01:02
Speaker
So both of us decided to take on the additional challenge of writing full music for the songs. love that. And because I decided to you to put all that extra effort on myself, real Rory Gilmore move, yep I decided I should do an adaptation instead of an original story.
00:01:18
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o So I decided to adapt one of my favorite movies, which is called Kind Hearts and Coronets, which is, honestly, we should totally do it on the show. It's kind of a romantic comedy.
00:01:29
Speaker
What is It's from 1941, I believe. It's British. It's an Ealing comedy. It's a British movie. um Oh, Charlie, I love that. Yeah, I think I've asked him about it. I think he said he hasn't seen it. Probably not.
00:01:42
Speaker
He hadn't seen Star Wars until about 10 years ago. That's true. That's true. Well, it has a connection to Star Wars because the plot of the movie is that a man realizes that he is eighth in line to a huge dukedom in England.
00:01:57
Speaker
um And even though he was um not really disinherited, his mother was disinherited. But if eight people die, he will inherit a huge estate and a huge amount of money and completely change his life. He grew up middle class. He works in a shop, et cetera. Yeah. yeah And it's like 1900 is when the movie set.
00:02:13
Speaker
Yeah. And so he decides he's going to murder his eight horrible family members. And in the movie, it is all eight of the family members are played by Alec Guinness. Yes. Who was in Star Wars, obviously. Yes, yes, yes.
00:02:27
Speaker
It's very, very, very funny. And so I based my musical on this, and then i discovered that it's based on a book, which is in the public domain, called Israel Rank, which is Not quite, I read it. It's not it's not as good as the movie. um It is very different. It is, you know, it's much older because it's from like 1900 or so. And it doesn't, it has a lot of the comedy, but it doesn't have, you know, the fact that it's it's about that at all is kind of the whole joke of the book, you know, because it's just so old.
00:02:59
Speaker
um And obviously the device of having one actor play all eight characters is, you know, a huge success of the movie. So unbeknownst to me, Opening on Broadway while I was writing this was a Gentleman's Guide to Love and Murder, which is also because they couldn't get the rights from Ealing. They couldn't call it, you know, Kind Hearts. They couldn't say it's based on Kind Hearts and Cornets. It is supposedly based on the book, Israel Rank, but they do have the device where Jefferson Mays played all eight characters, which is what my musical did also.
00:03:28
Speaker
Now, it's a bit of a wild party situation, meaning that nothing is stopping me from trying to get the musical produced. True. Other than the fact that it's very difficult to produce sheet music and et cetera, et cetera, cetera. Like I would need money to to to try to put together musical. And so I never have, all mostly because I was so...
00:03:45
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um upset when that i got scooped by that musical. Which I think, I like to think myself being objective, I don't think is very good. i think that there are some things that are very funny, but I don't like the music in it. I don't like the music in it either. i never It never really, is as a musical theater lover, I was never really turned on to it. I was very aware of it, but I was never really like turned on to it. Like, oh my god, i have to, like I can't get this song stuck out of my head.
00:04:14
Speaker
Yeah. And it hasn't had the staying power of like Next to Normal or, yeah no you know, some of the other musicals around that era. Well, Next to Normal several years before that, but whatever. You know what i mean? Yeah. It's not something that it's constantly playing across the country and everybody's obsessed with. it never It never really got that level of fame, even though it won the Tony.
00:04:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. it's It's really great for community theaters to do. Sure. um Oh, God, I'm sure the community theater productions of that musical are awful. Oh, yeah. it's very hard That's a very tough musical for a community theater to do. But you know they love it.
00:04:48
Speaker
Yeah. So... um We went to go see Marty Supreme last week, ah which is great, by the way.
Film Discussions and Actor Influences
00:04:56
Speaker
ok Oh, great. um Oh, it was really good.
00:04:59
Speaker
I just, I, Charlie has asked me if I want to go see it and I, because it's playing at our favorite movie theater and my reaction and I will maintain until somebody convinces me otherwise is is why will I, why do I want to go spend hours of my life watching Timmy Chalamet play ping pong?
00:05:17
Speaker
because it Why? it's It rules. um It's about a really unpleasant man um who keeps making horrible decisions. It's very stressful. Cool. Just crazy shit keeps happening that you do not expect from the ping pong movie.
00:05:33
Speaker
Tyler, the creator, is there. um Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank is there. Jesus Christ. It's niced wild. i just like Also, just I'm getting so turned off of Timmy Chalamet because I don't know his personality is annoying me.
00:05:46
Speaker
Here's the thing. Me not being on social media and me having zero exposure to him as a person I think really helps. That really does help you. Because Caitlyn was telling me all about like whatever his rap video and like him him dating one of the Kardashians or whatever. And like I didn't know – I didn't know any of that. I have no concept of him as a person. I just know literally just his performances and he's fucking fantastic in this movie. He is such a piece of shit, but for whatever reason, you still want him to succeed. It's very America. Um, ah
00:06:21
Speaker
It's really good. I would really recommend you go see it. I think it's great. um Neither here nor there. Yeah, neither here nor there. I'm still rooting for Leo because I really liked One Battle After Another. That movie was fantastic. And see, I'm not watching that because I have... i don't Why would I want to watch that? i don't want to watch that shit. Miss me with the PT Anderson.
00:06:38
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why Why would I didn't think that I would watch a PT Anderson and um there were a lot of times I was like this is PT Anderson and then there were times I was like oh this is PT Anderson and then there and but most of the time I was like I'm so glad that I'm not stuck watching Timmy Chalamet play ping pong for three hours. See I it's first of all it's only two and a half and um he does a lot more than ping pong. And second secondly, um yeah, i like i i I have a... And see, I know a lot about Leonardo DiCaprio as a person ah that I don't know about Timmy Chalamet. And I don't want to see Leonardo DiCaprio succeed. So there you go.
00:07:14
Speaker
wow. Agree to disagree. Anyways, you were seeing... We're on opposite sides of the same thing. So we went to see Marty Supreme. And the trailer before it plays a movie starring my boyfriend, Glenn Powell.
00:07:26
Speaker
Yes. Margaret Qualley. And like the trailer starts and I'm like... Oh my God, this is fucking Kind Hearts and Coronets. They have remade Kind Hearts and Coronets with fucking Glenn Powell and Margaret Qualley. Oh no!
00:07:39
Speaker
And it's called um it's called um How to Make a Killing. And it's the same plot. They don't have one actor play all eight parts. They have a bunch of different actors play the parts, which I think is a huge mistake.
00:07:52
Speaker
And I think... my is ma basically the the main success of the movie, and I think that's a huge mistake in making this. I mean, it does look like a very different kind of thing. It looks it looks like a very very... I mean, I guess the original is definitely a black comedy, but this looks less funny and more like kind of arch, I suppose. I don't know. We'll see. want I want my comedies to be dark. I want my my my... Yeah. Well, I mean, there's no way it's not dark. i Yeah.
00:08:18
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But it's... some I don't know. The tone is very different from the 40s British movie, as you might expect. Oh, want to see. um, so we'll see. We'll see. But, uh, yeah, i keep getting fucking scooped.
00:08:30
Speaker
Yeah. Do you think that you have a mole? Maybe in my own mind. Yeah. Yeah. yeah And, oh, there's a conspiracy theory right there. i just picture like a little cartoon, literal mole, like in my brain, like peeking out. Like wearing little wearing rubb it his little hat.
00:08:48
Speaker
Rubbing his little nose. I don't know why he's got a little hat, but he's got a little hat. um Well, in exciting news, I finished my book nook. I saw and it looks great. I think on the episode, I don't remember if it was at the green room or was that in the episode where we talked about you were having difficulty putting it together.
00:09:07
Speaker
I can't remember, but I, Charlie got me two book k nooks ah for Christmas and I've wanted them. And then I was so excited until I opened it up and realized that it was like if Legos and Ikea furniture had a baby, that's the is. Should we describe what a book nook is?
00:09:22
Speaker
A book nook is this adorable little diorama that you can purchase with a little light that you, it is the size of a book or like the width of a book and you put it in your bookshelf. And so you've got all of your books and then you've got this whimsical little fairy land in the middle um or wherever you decide to put it. And ah it's adorable and cute. And I put, I had a little teeny tiny raven from Edgar Allan Poe show I went to that my friend was in. um Shout out to Nick Featherington. And I put i put that in my little library book nook. And ah so now there's there's a little raven in there going, never more!
Podcast Introduction and 'Princess Diaries' Overview
00:09:59
Speaker
That's cute. Yeah, Charlie went, ah that raven is too large for that. And I said, screw it, it's my book nook! That's true, that's true. You do what you want. This is America.
00:10:09
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, anyway, that's what's been going on. So our lives are so thrilling. Our lives, we're just like really, we're living it on the edge here. We are so, so fancy and so free.
00:10:29
Speaker
So fancy and so free and even footloose, one might exclaim. That was the other F. I was like, I know there's a third F in this, but I can't remember. But ah but look at us. um And yeah, that's that's an excellent segue because um party lives.
00:10:48
Speaker
famously featured in today's film. I literally could have gone with anything, and still chose not a related item yeah to bring into the segue. Well, you know, it's 10 minutes in. We gotta wrap it up.
00:11:03
Speaker
Yeah. We're doing a ah cozy little late night record here. Let's go get your girl after dark. After dark. We're both in pajamas or pajama affiliated attire. I'm not wearing pants. Yeah. Because the radiators are killing me in my apartment.
00:11:21
Speaker
Yeah. And I'm wrapped up in a blanket and nothing else. Oh, no. no Oh, no. No. I have my my chemical romance t-shirt on. and I have my music box of horrors t-shirt on. Yeah.
00:11:34
Speaker
Look at us. We're such millennials. and Speaking of millennials, famously featured. That's true. You got there. um ah You got Oh my God. ah Yeah, that's right, guys. You guessed it. This is go get your girl. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie are just two clumsy, curly haired glasses wearing just little invisible dorks trying to live their best lives in high school and survive. And then they find out that their long lost grandmother, who they never really knew or talked to because she lives in Europe, ah is in town and wants to talk to her. Talk to us.
00:12:11
Speaker
We're conjoined twins. and And she's got some very interesting things to say. One such being, ah hey, just so that you know, your dad who died two months ago was the crown prince of my fictional European country, Genovia, where everyone speaks English and there is no consistency about eight English accents or American accents.
00:12:33
Speaker
ah or ah but ah But yeah, your dad was a was the prince and he was going to be the ruler because my my husband died a few years ago. And only the blood relatives can rule. And I just married into this. So i guess what, bo dudes? Yeah. You are the crown princess of Genovia. So ah get into some princess lessons and learn to be a princess. and Very normal country. Very normal country. ah The biggest import and export is pears.
00:13:07
Speaker
The biggest to import and export is pears? I don't know. Imports versus exports. Imports are things that you bring into the country and exports are things that come out of the country. It'd be crazy if the import and export was the same thing of anywhere. That would be, that's a drug mule. If the import and export is the same thing. They're drug muleing pears in Genovia. Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:30
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And and so we got to learn to be a princess, but we still just want to be a regular girl. And along the way, we learned the value of blow drying our hair, wearing contacts. Now anything else besides that is ugly. And ah um and yeah. And then we also have a thing for the lead singer of Rooney, who's weirdly our best friend. who Hey, remember Rooney?
00:13:56
Speaker
Remember Rooney? Her older brother. And yeah, and things happen along the way. Mandy Moore is there. Sandra Oh is there. ah And really, it's not just about us learning to be a princess.
00:14:14
Speaker
It's learning about us finding ourselves and learning not to care about ourselves and care for others instead. I'm Emma. And I'm Katie. That was like four minutes long. I know.
00:14:29
Speaker
I know. I couldn't And we are, of course, talking about Princess Diaries from 2001, directed by Gary Marshall. It's been once one seen a while when you believe.
00:14:44
Speaker
Directed by Gary Marshall. It is rated G. Ray Marshall, of course, also famously directed ah Pretty Woman yeah and ah The Runaway Bride and um the trilogy of horrible rom-coms, New Year's Eve, Valentine's Day, and Mother's Day.
00:15:06
Speaker
Yep. Do you think Gary Marshall hates women? no i don't Well, I mean, if you think about the like. its with He didn't write these though, right? He didn't write any of these movies. Okay, cool, cool, cool. Nevermind, nevermind. Women wrote most of them. I don't think a woman wrote Pretty Woman, but woman wrote. Oh, that's not the one I would think was written Pretty much on the list of them. tried rewatching Runaway Bride a few years ago and woof, that is rough. I can't wait till we do that on the pod.
00:15:34
Speaker
Yeah, J.F.
Book vs. Movie: 'Princess Diaries' Analysis
00:15:36
Speaker
Lawton wrote Pretty Woman. That is a man. okay. And who wrote Runaway Pride? But um this movie is definitely... Oh, he... Did he? Wait. No, Penny Marshall directed League of Their Own, his sister.
00:15:50
Speaker
Yes. um Anyway. He was in League Their Own. He's in a League of Their Own, as as they they used to do that. Also, in Hocus Pocus, they play husband and wife, which is yeah creepy. weird Yeah,
00:16:04
Speaker
I'm sad that Penny Marshall didn't make a cameo in Princess Diaries, though. That's true. Yeah. There was a lot of like actors that you sort of see across all those movies. She was busy directing, writing in Cars with Boys at the time, I believe.
00:16:18
Speaker
Oh, which is a fantastic film. I don't know. I just made that up. It's possible it was the same year. It seems about right. Yeah. Yeah. um Yes, this movie was written by Gina Wendkos, mostly a TV writer in the 80s and 90s, who wrote Coyote Ugly.
00:16:34
Speaker
yes yeah And then this movie and basically nothing else. Those are two sides of the same coin. They are not even same corn. Same word, different font.
00:16:46
Speaker
um ah Very different movie. Yeah. And um this is based on a series of books by Meg Cabot called The Princess Diaries. I'm going to go out on the limb and just kind of guess that you read a bunch of these, Emma.
00:17:01
Speaker
How did you know? i don't know. It just seems like your deal.
00:17:06
Speaker
I did. i was about to say, Katie, did you read the books? Because I read the books. I only really remember the details of the first one, but I remember Michael having a bigger role. Michael was like basically Eric Von Detten and the guy from Rooney combined into one person. Who's Eric Von Detten?
00:17:23
Speaker
um The guy from Zoink, the Disney Channel guy. Zoink? I don't know Zoink. He's in this movie. he's the he Who was he in this movie is what I'm asking. The sailing guy. The like the popular dude. the shitty guy. ok yeah the shitty guy yeah josh eric yeah Josh. um He's from the Disney Channel and was in a lot of Disney Channel original movies. If you remember Motocross.
00:17:50
Speaker
I have seen Motocross. Yes, he is the guy from Motocross. Yes, yes, yes. He's the guy from Motocross. Classic girl dressing up like a boy movie, Motocross. Yeah, it's Twelfth Night, but with motorcycles.
00:18:01
Speaker
Yeah. Or four wheelers or whatever. They're dirt bikes is what they are, which i I don't know the difference between a dirt bike and a motorcycle, but i know there is a difference. I feel like they should have called it like something about dirt bikes instead of motorcycles well crossed because like you get like a motocross is the sport literally yeah and then you're like cross-dressing lovers oh i i thought like star-crossed lovers could be that too yeah all of it i didn't even take cross it's a it's a brilliant film it's 12th night
00:18:34
Speaker
Yeah, we should do it. Let's do it. We're doing everything. We're going to do this show forever. We're never going to die. We're never going to die. I'm all for all the Disney Channel original movies. We've got to space them out. They're fantastic. Much like Hallmark movies, we can't do more than one in a month, for sure. Yeah. And I mean, we watch too many DCOMs in a row. You're going to start feeling gross. Yeah. It's just like, why am I watching everything about DCOM?
00:19:01
Speaker
Why am I constantly only watching movies about 14-year-olds? Yeah. ah Yeah. So the books are, there's 20 of them, I believe. um So they're, I guess they go day by day pretty much of her high school experience. No. She just has a very long and lengthy life. And here's my thing. Oh, it follows her into old age. It's like...
00:19:25
Speaker
Well, I didn't read all 20. That's the thing. I only read like the first few. um And then I learned that there were Gossip Girl books and they were spicier. um And I moved on to Gossip Girl. I mean, these books are for like elementary school students, right? Yeah. oh Well, they're YA, but they're not like for babies.
00:19:45
Speaker
But I mean, they're about high schoolers, but they're generally aimed at, I was i would say, middle school or or younger. Yeah, like 13. Like 13. Oh, really? Okay. yeah yeah Is there sex in them? No. Okay. Okay.
00:19:56
Speaker
Okay. Maybe 10 to 13. thirteen I would say, I think they're middle. I think by working in a bookstore, I believe they're shelved as middle grade. Yeah. Okay. Well, anyways, um this, along with the book of Practical Magic,
00:20:10
Speaker
ah Which not a book for kids. Which is not a book for kids, but somehow I was i read it. i don't know if my parents were aware. Because sex and murder in it.
00:20:21
Speaker
Yeah, it was the first book that I remember reading a sex scene in. But between these two movies, these two books, I learned that Hollywood likes to take... Oh, these two books and Anastasia, which I've also made us do on this pod. These are all movies I made us do on this pod. None of them rom-coms.
00:20:41
Speaker
None of them rom-coms, but just deep loves of mine. um I learned, because I read the original source material before seeing the movies, ah ah that Hollywood takes a lot of fucking liberties. And sometimes you might think, oh, this is a movie in my head. Why didn't they just go straight off the book? Well, no. They make up a bunch of shit. And that's what happened. I still love them, though. I still love these movies so much. I mean, movies and books are very different. I mean, as we discussed in, um I mean, multiple episodes of this show, but most recently in People We Meet on Vacation, like you you have to do different things in a book and a movie, and they they're structured completely differently. So you can't, as much as like, you know, people who love a book will want a movie to stay true, quotation marks, to to a book, you don't really want that because that's not ever successful. Like if things that are super, super true to the to the book...
00:21:35
Speaker
are are going to be boring because just a completely different structure. Yeah, and also that. You know, like Lord of the Rings, the extended version. Yeah, which...
00:21:47
Speaker
Listen, I think the first, I think Fellowship of the Ring extended edition is very, very good. And I think the other two are about an hour to an hour and a half too long each. I'd say two hours too long each. I was, i I agreed as a very supportive and loving wife,
00:22:07
Speaker
Um, because my husband went to the same high school as J.R.R. Tolkien and he loves the series. Humble brag. Humble brag. He loves the series and he loves, um, he just, he loves Lord of the Rings and I bought him the extended version for like a Christmas or birthday. And when we didn't have cable here, when we first moved, I agreed that we would sit down and watch it like a mini series. And we did.
00:22:33
Speaker
and it took so long. Prith's Diaries. Princess Diaries. I had not read the book. I saw this movie in theaters. This was 2001, so i would have been yeah early high school.
00:22:44
Speaker
This was a big hit. This is Anne Hathaway's first movie, I believe. It's her theatrical debut and a lot of things. So this is the beginning of Emma's fun facts, Emma's fun facts, because I'm sure as you guessed that I read the books, you can also guess I was fucking obsessed with this movie and I still am to this day. I love this movie so much. I could quote it. And I also learned that not all ADR is good ADR from this movie. Yeah.
00:23:13
Speaker
ah but ah But yeah, i a lot of stuff in the movie is improvised by Anne Hathaway. Like the scene when she's on the um bleachers towards the end and she's like, or before the royal dinner and she's walking she um and she's like, turns around she falls on her butt on the bleachers and she starts laughing. That was an accident. That was just Anne Hathaway being Anne Hathaway and Rob Marshall thought it would be fun to keep it in the film, which it totally works. um fun
00:23:43
Speaker
Also, it was her idea for the brush to break in the makeover scene. and ah and um a lot And so, oh, her dad, the pictures of Mia Thermopolis' dad is actually in Hathaway's dad. And he's actually the man that they use the voiceover at at later on when she's reading his letter. And to top it off with some more fun facts that I know about Princess Diaries.
00:24:11
Speaker
um The dress that she wears at the end was inspired by Audrey Hepburn's dress and outfit and look. and um um Oh my God. like what Funny face?
00:24:21
Speaker
No, no, no. The one where she's in she's the princess in in Rome and she runs away. um Holiday. ah The holiday. holiday roman Roman holiday. Roman holiday. Not the holiday. Roman holiday. It's very much inspired by that.
00:24:35
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and ah Rob Marshall thought that it would be fun to include Anne Hathaway's retainer because he found out that she wore a retainer in the film and that she couldn't really talk using it. He thought that was funny. And so they incorporated that too.
00:24:51
Speaker
Very nice. um um ah Yeah. So it's San Francisco. Annie Hathaway 18 years old We start off with what I believe is the first of a series of truly awful songs on the soundtrack of this movie. Okay, okay. Just what I call what i call two thousand two thousand s trash.
00:25:17
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Supergirl by k Crystal Harris. Dreadful song. Dreadful. Andy Hathaway was in that music video and it took Liz to Diner. Happy for them. um And this song is unlistenable. It is.
00:25:29
Speaker
Listen, I know that we all love Britney Spears now and that, you know, she's an icon and obviously we don't want anything bad to happen to her. And they treated her really badly and all of that. Safe Britney, hashtag, et cetera. But like Britney Spears did some damage to the pop culture landscape with every like every other song on the soundtrack is some girl singing like this. And like, why? are we doing this? This is really hard to listen to. Several songs by Mandy Moore. Because she was awesome. There's only one. No, there's not. There's only one.
00:26:01
Speaker
I checked the credits. The only song that Mandy Moore sings in this, the only Mandy Moore song in this is the one that her character sings, who Badly Lip syncs to. Yeah. I thought the song when they're on the dance floor afterwards was also Mandy Moore.
00:26:15
Speaker
It's not credited on IMDb, least, on all the songs that are in this. they're almost There's one deep cut Backstreet Boys song, which I think might have been an original on this soundtrack because it plays at the credits, too. Yeah.
00:26:28
Speaker
And everything else is people no one's ever heard of. Like, it's all, like, third string pop artists like Crystal Harris. Yeah. Yeah. Well, because this was, like, this was, like, a D-com, like, fabricated phenomenon. Well, it's... Disney was like in not necessarily like super dire straits, but Disney was definitely on the decline in 2001. This
Character Dynamics and Social Themes in 'Princess Diaries'
00:26:51
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was not Disney at the height of its powers. Like this was, Disney was, if not struggling, you know, for a giant multinational multi-billion dollar company, they hadn't had a lot of artistic success until, I mean, this was, this was a big success. And then especially pirates of the Caribbean, which is like two years later, I think yeah really was, was Disney coming back.
00:27:12
Speaker
yeah Yeah, well, they put a lot of eggs into this basket. And so they were like, we're gonna do an album with all original music. We're gonna do this music video that Anne Hathaway is gonna be in. We get Julie Andrews.
00:27:26
Speaker
Julie Andrews is a big part of it. Yeah. Yeah. yeah So yeah. And it's produced by Whitney Houston. Oh, good for her. Yeah. um She lives in an old fire station with her insane mother. He's an artist. Next door to Mr. Robitussin, which I just can't get over His name is Mr. Robitussin.
00:27:44
Speaker
um He writes soaps. She has a horrible shrew of a best friend with yeah Heather Matarazzo, who is like... So much better than this.
00:27:56
Speaker
Awful to her. She's so mean. But also, like, here's the thing. Here's the thing, Katie. Here's the thing, right? Is that that is what girlhood friendship is. No, listen. I totally agree. Yes. and it And it works out at the end. And um it is it is very realistic. And it's also realistic of that kind of outcast girl who it, like, yeah pretends to be above, like, the petty...
00:28:22
Speaker
like human jealousies and and ah interactions of what she considers the popular girls, but she's really just jealous. And she even admits that at the end of this movie. It is realistic, but it is, she all is also- Really, it's really hard to watch those bits. She's so mean to Anne Hathaway. brought a lot of PTSD back. Yeah, for sure. Especially as that person, speaking as one Mia Thermopolis to another. 100%.
00:28:57
Speaker
We're two curly haired girls. Tall curly haired girls who wear glasses and And who aren't sports girls who do yoga. No. No. I mean, she kind of is sportsy, though. I mean, like, rock climbing is a hard. i mean I didn't think that that was a good ad. And Charlie made a good point, too. Charlie had never seen this film. And he he thought that ah they make ah so much effort to...
00:29:31
Speaker
show you that she is invisible and she, um, is, you know, that sort of like outcast girl with no confidence and can't do any public speaking. And they make the whole, like, can't do any public speaking, like a big plot point in this film. Yeah. But when she's at the rock climbing gym, she is a completely different person. And she's like completely, she's comfortable there.
00:29:53
Speaker
yeah And she's like confident and she's like, you know, helping, uh, each customers and stuff like that. And Charlie was like, I just don't buy that shit this is the same character that just threw up because she had to speak in front of her class.
00:30:07
Speaker
I think that's, I think it's, um I think it's totally believable. i and There's lots of people like that because it is, I think it's also a class thing, which is like not brought up in this movie in the least, um but I think is definitely present subtextually. That like, this is like a working class girl whose mom is an artist who, you know, they live basically on the grace of her divorce, there her divorce, her her, her mom's ex-husband, right? Like he pays for her school. He probably pays for a lot of stuff in in her life.
00:30:41
Speaker
Yeah. Um, And San Francisco is is very gentrified, like divided city. I mean, like there's the ultra rich in San Francisco. I mean, Silicon Valley, like billionaires everywhere in San Francisco. And a lot of the kids at that school are gonna be the children of those, you know, ultra rich people. And she doesn't know that she is also the child of an ultra rich person. yeah So she feels completely out of place in this evil school full of evil children.
00:31:12
Speaker
You mean just high school? Where she's not comfortable. Well, not even it's not even high school. It's a very prestigious um private school, right? Yeah. They have a rooftop um basketball court, which I remember watching it.
00:31:27
Speaker
Yeah. And I remember feeling so concerned while watching this movie as a child being like, what happens if they miss and it goes over? Is it going to kill someone?
00:31:39
Speaker
maybe they don't care. They got enough money for it not to be a problem. Yeah. um Yeah. It's a, it's a, yeah it's very cool. Not as cool as the, as the bad-ass football field in 10 things I hate about you. yeah Probably the coolest high school in a movie ever. I wanted to go to that high school.
00:31:56
Speaker
Yeah. But um yeah. And I think that, so when she's in a place where she's comfortable, it's not like she's an antisocial weirdo. Yeah. You know, she's just nervous being around those people who she is invisible to. And once she becomes visible, she has a natural, like, grace and and humor and charm that always existed, right? Yeah.
00:32:18
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. That's actually very true. Yeah. um She just has to become... comfortable. And in this case, she becomes comfortable by getting millions and millions of dollars. Like many rom-coms, the secret ingredient is a whole lot of money. Money! It's money and a makeover where they change absolutely everything about you to where the little girls watching this movie who felt like they were being seen feel like they have to question everything about their identity. It's like, Mommy, can I get a flat iron?
00:32:47
Speaker
Yep, yep. I definitely felt a lot of feelings. Listen, Um, so yes, we're not there yet though. So, so she's Mia Thermopolis. She's living San Francisco. Somebody sat on me again. well Somebody sat on me again.
00:33:07
Speaker
and it's just. She's in love with the worst boy in the world. Von Denton. I believe the people who wrote this movie went Gina Windcoast. I had, I don't, sure if she ever went to high school. um ah Just very unrealistic depiction of high school, not necessarily dynamics, but activity.
00:33:28
Speaker
um Everything like, The way the cheerleaders, like, their cheer that they The fact that they're just doing it out on the balcony for no reason. um Yeah. The way that Josh, the cool kid, like, just likes to stand on things and everybody's to like, ooh, look at him. Like, what the what alien landscape are we in where people behave in this way?
00:33:48
Speaker
ah The guy standing on things and everyone being like, ooh, look at him. It's very high school, I will say. That's not my experience. That one featured extra who was just doing back bend for no fucking reason. Yeah.
00:34:03
Speaker
They wear their cheerleader uniforms every day. Every day. Every day. Everywhere. And then just during gym class where higher grade is in the same class. And all the teachers are there. They have the baseball game where, first of all, she has to hit a softball in order to pass gym, which I don't think that's legal. That's insane. Two, every teacher is present. Including vice principal the vice principal is there the other two the teacher that's dating her mom is the first is at first base the gym teacher is there every student in the school is there i don't understand how the school works at all there's only three teachers yeah i mean like i understand you teaching the choir teacher is there too everyone is present at the softball the gym class
00:34:52
Speaker
it's It's very confusing. I will say that's very confusing. Yeah. yeah um I don't know what that man teaches. He seems to teach all subjects except for choir and gym. Yeah. I don't know what's going on. Except for choir and gym. Because he teaches debate and then he teaches US history. Yeah.
00:35:09
Speaker
So. very you No, it's it's ah European history. It's ah the French Revolution. Oh, sorry. I knew it was history. oh Voltaire. Voltaire. I'd like to learn about Voltaire.
00:35:21
Speaker
Somebody needs to smack that bitch upside the head. I swear to God. know. She's so annoying. That was one the moments she was being No wonder she's a pariah in that school. She sucks. I was going to say, no wonder nobody wants to be on her cable show. Yeah. God, her cable show seems insufferable. but jeremiah does yeah uh so mandy moore is there mandy moore is cheerleader she's like got a very small part where she's just a bitch for no reason yep but she pops she fucking pops i guess yeah sure i mean i'm she um the
00:36:00
Speaker
she We go to school. and We see her at various places. Then she works at a rock climbing gym. Everybody makes fun of her hair because she's wearing this heinous wig. So big.
00:36:12
Speaker
It's so big. I mean, listen, I know there are there are girls who had hair like that in high school. yeah There were girls in my high school who had hair like that. like Listen, in the 2000s, curly girl hair was not mainstream. Yeah.
00:36:25
Speaker
Yeah, like, you know, they hadn't they had invented flat irons, but, you know, they weren't. They weren't great. This movie really. And fried your hair. I mean, they still kind of fry your hair.
00:36:38
Speaker
But still, mean, like... They were probably metal instead of ceramic, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, like, now you get have the whole, like, curly girl method and, like, ways to, like, take care of your hair. Like, it was either... Dave, a girl hadn't come out yet. Yeah. Exactly. So it was, like, you had... um oh my god, what's the stuff that does like amp your roots? I can't remember. um But like you had, I visibly remember this like curly gel that I would get from my hairdresser, which was green and sparkly, but it wasn't green and sparkly when it was on your hair head. yeah yeah and um
00:37:16
Speaker
And if you put too much in it, it got crunchy. And so you had to like not let it be crunchy. Very big in the in the early 2000s was the crunch. Yeah. But, ah yeah, it was very – and, you know, San Francisco is, like, so wet and humid. And, like, it's going to be – it's a real nightmare for curly girls. Yeah. um Which there's a lot of – as a fellow curly girl, I will say there's a lot of, like, um continuity errors later on when she's walking around with the white hair.
00:37:47
Speaker
Oh, yeah, big time. Also, like – Yeah, so they cut. Anyway, we're we're getting rid of ourselves anyway. Sorry. Anyway, so. She has a crush on Josh for some reason, even though he's stupid and sucks. Yes.
00:38:01
Speaker
And ah she, her her grandmother is showing up. Her dad's mom, who um she's never met, is in San Francisco and wants to meet her. So she goes to the consulate of Genovia. oh but before that, we get my favorite.
00:38:16
Speaker
line in the entire movie, which is she's walking up, she's talking to Heather Matarazzo, and um she's just like, I don't know, like I'm kind of like, it's weird to like talk to like this person. and And Heather Matarazzo goes, wait, are you so so are you talking about your dad? I thought you were over that. Didn't he die like two months ago? i i wrote that down as well. She's like...
00:38:42
Speaker
And she's like, yeah, and my dad. i was like, I thought you were over your dad dying. Wasn't it like two months ago? Right? Jesus Christ. She's a bad friend. I'm glad she's not in the second one.
00:38:53
Speaker
No, um one she second one. Oh, shit. But she's just barely in the second one, right? She's barely in the second one. ray Yeah, yeah, yeah. Raven-Symoné takes over as the role of best friend. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um I'm still waiting for my normal body parts to arrive. Yes!
00:39:08
Speaker
Which I think is a boob joke, I believe. I think yes. Yes, yes. Because what other body parts? rated you've got to you've got to read between the lines on some of these things. Yeah, yeah.
00:39:19
Speaker
Yeah. So she, um yeah, so she meets Julie Andrews. Julie Andrews is like, you're a princess. And she's like, shut up. She's like, i I will not shut up.
00:39:31
Speaker
And, you know your majesty, in America, shut up can mean many other things. It doesn't just mean be quiet. can mean gee, gee whiz, golly wally. Golly wally, yeah. Right.
00:39:43
Speaker
And then we meet Hector Elizondo, who is Gary Marshall's BFF and was in basically all of his movies. And he's fabulous in this. He is. He is Julie Andrews' head of security and boyfriend later, it seems? Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:58
Speaker
Questionnaire? Yeah. She is... um And he is kind of put in charge of wrangling Mia throughout this process. Because she runs away. She runs away. That's her deal. finding out And she's like, so upset. But like she is a security risk. Here's the thing. She is the heir to a throne of a European country, which, yes, it sounds fake. Everything about it sounds fake. They made no effort into making this place seem real. But...
00:40:27
Speaker
They do say it's between France and Spain. So I imagine it's supposed to be like Andorra or, you know, one of those Luxembourg or one of those places. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. um Very confusing.
00:40:38
Speaker
She, um yeah. So they make a deal. She's like, okay, so there's this big ball coming up in a month or so. And you can either, we can present you as the heir or you can refuse the throne. Yeah. You have until then to decide. In the meantime, you're going to have princess lessons every afternoon at the consulate with me, Julie Andrews, and Hector Elizondo.
00:40:59
Speaker
Yes. And um ah yes. And then they're like, if she refuses, you know that will be the end of Genovia as we know it.
00:41:10
Speaker
Yep. So there's like this, this barely there, like D plot in this movie of this Baron and his yeah wife trying to take over Genovia. If she refuses the throne, it's the Baron and Baroness Ben Tatton.
00:41:24
Speaker
yeah There's like two scenes of them. um That's, that's barely there. So um basically the movie is all about her trying to decide if she can be a princess or not. Yeah. And her feeling like she's constantly fucking up. Yes.
00:41:38
Speaker
So she has various princess lessons, including lots of rememberable rememberable memorable moments like ah learning to walk like a princess and stand like a princess. Big montage, yeah. Princesses don't never cross their legs in public. And ah and then also she has a dance lesson with Hector Elizondo.
00:42:00
Speaker
with Joe, ah which is my favorite. ah My favorite is whenever he's first driving her in the limo and um she's like trying to bond with him because, you know, she's 15 and she's just like, Hey, what's up? And, and um ah like, she's playing with like all the buttons. And so he gives her an olive branch and he goes, know what?
00:42:22
Speaker
You can call me Joe. And she goes, Joey. And he goes, but no, Joe. Yeah. It's great. great. Made me laugh. He's very, he's very sweet. um He is, and he's got a crush on ah Julie Andrews and they're, cause her husband died a year or so ago. Two years ago.
00:42:42
Speaker
Two years ago. And she's, he tells her it's time to take off the black. Yeah. You've been wearing black far too long. And then they sexy dance. Yeah. Yeah, she's not being subtle at all. She's driving everywhere in a limo with big Genovian flags on it. I don't know who she thinks she's fooling. Right. But she's technically keeping it a secret. Yeah, well, she gets dropped off a block away from school. Yeah, but still. I think i mean, Mr. Robitussin is there. He sees all of it. Yeah, yeah.
00:43:08
Speaker
The mysterious man didn't stay for tea.
Cultural Impact of 'Princess Diaries' Scenes
00:43:11
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Heather Matarazzo says she needs an attitude adjustment. I'm like, yeah, she really fucking does. Yeah. um yeah if She never met her dad. We've got the band Rooney. Hey, remember Rooney? Yes, remember Rooney? They're in this there in this movie. um Yeah, they are. They're a band called Fly Paper.
00:43:28
Speaker
So Francis Ford Coppola is- Fly away now. Francis Ford Coppola's grandson, Robert Schwartzman, Jason Schwartzman's brother, plays the lead singer of Rooney, plays, um what is his name, Michael in this movie?
00:43:42
Speaker
Yeah, Michael. Yeah, Michael, who is Heather Matarazzo's older brother? Yes. And her, like, the guy who has a crush on her um before she gets made over and everything. And he has, like, some very good for a high school band. ah Yeah. this Playing in this garage where she's getting her 1966 Mustang refurbished or whatever. Yeah. And he likes, he is there's a lot of, like, quirky things that they sort of cut out of the movie, which is, like, he has a whole conversation with her because I've watched all the deleted scenes. Okay.
00:44:15
Speaker
um he's a He's got a thing about eating pizza with M&M's on it, which is why you see him playing. He loves M&M's, and so he's playing the piano with M&M's on it, and that's why that's like a whole thing at the Seems like those are going to slip in between the keys and be a real problem, but whatever, man. He's got to be quirky. You've got to give him some quirks. It's a hard place to be between a friend and a friendlier. Okay, so what I did, I don't remember Rooney. What did Rooney sing? They had like a hit, right?
00:44:42
Speaker
No, that's Phantom Planet. song That's Phantom Planet, which is Jason Schwartzman's band. You've confused it Talia Shire's sons. Yeah. Sorry. Hold on. Rooney. Rooney. I'm sh-sh-shaking. Sh-shaking. Yeah, I'm shaking. Sh-sh-shaking. Yeah.
00:45:01
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, yay yeah, yeah. Rooney. Yeah. the um I had that CD. It's like the the California flag. Yeah. With the bear. With the bear. was Rooney. Yeah.
00:45:13
Speaker
I
00:45:15
Speaker
of i mean, yeah he was he was my kind of 2000s boy toy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. hair, the mysterious physique, not a lot of good words.
00:45:27
Speaker
I've been rewatching the ABC Family television series Greek recently, and I got to tell you, that place, that that that the that show is absolutely crawling with boys like that.
00:45:39
Speaker
um a So, um yes. the um And she's oblivious to him because she's oblivious to everything. um She's very selfish, which they call out at the end of this movie, which is kind of surprising for a movie of this era um because, yeah, she is. She's very self-absorbed, even though It's like it's one of those things where it's like, oh, this girl is like, you know, kind of an outcast, so she can't have any flaws, which is ah not true of of anyone ever. And definitely not true of Mia Thermopolis. Nina Thermopolis has many flaws, but this movie is about her learning to accept them or overcome them.
00:46:17
Speaker
Yes. um And then we get, you know, one of the most famous makeover sequences in cinema. Yes. Where, um oh yeah, I also have no Doc Martens next time. um i definitely, when I went into high school, I was so obsessed with this movie that I made my mom buy me those exact Doc Martens and that exact backpack.
00:46:40
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah. the the The backpack that they mention is super expensive? No, no, no, no, not not the expensive one. The oh the North Face one. Oh, okay. Yeah. From the beginning. I i didn't care about the leather bag. I was just like, I want to look like Mia Thermopolis when I can look like Mia Thermopolis, which is when we're currently there.
00:46:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you wear a uniform to high school? I did. So it was part of me being like, well, what? How am I? Because I was going from middle school or seventh grade into eighth grade.
00:47:13
Speaker
And in seventh, all of my schooling before that, I wore street clothes, like normal clothes, casual dress. And then all of a sudden in eighth grade, I had to wear a uniform every day. And I was like, how am I supposed to express my individuality? I know. I'll look like me at Thermopolis.
00:47:31
Speaker
Pre-makeover. Yeah. sure i had I'm sure that was Doc Martens. Yeah. I worked out really, really well. um I was very popular. Yeah. um there Also, there's another like barely there side plot where her mom is dating her teacher that's mentioned like basically once and then forgotten about completely. yep Also, there's they just got cut.
00:47:55
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure there's a homophobic joke where um ah Joe buys her some shoes and he says in San Francisco is an interesting city. The sales clerk asked if I wanted to wear those out. Like, ah ha ha, San Francisco, gay people. Because there's a lot of people. Trans people. Yeah. We have, what's his name? Paolo.
00:48:14
Speaker
Tim Miller. Is that his name? some Joe Miller. What is this guy's name? He's the dad from 10 Things I Hate About You. Yes. Larry Miller. Larry Miller is the actor's name. And he plays Paolo, a Spanish question mark? Italian question Italian because they have that whole like exchange where he goes, grazie prego. Oh, right, right, right. Grazie prego.
00:48:34
Speaker
An Italian um homosexual that they hire to come in and ah make her over, which basically involves um plucking her eyebrows, flat ironing her hair, and putting so much makeup on her And giving her contacts.
00:48:52
Speaker
And contacts, yes. Important. Yep. Including one of my favorite lines in the movie, which is ah him holding her glasses and going, ah do you wear contacts? And she goes, oh, yeah, you know, I have them, but I don't really like to wear them. He breaks the glasses and he goes, well, now you do. And she goes, you broke my glasses. He goes, you broke my brush.
00:49:10
Speaker
Yes, that's very funny. Because he breaks his brush trying to comb out her hair. Why would he try to comb her hair dry? Like no hairdresser would do that. Yeah, that's rookie mistake. but Yeah.
00:49:22
Speaker
You know. um ah And then Lily is such a bitch to her. oh she's so mean. So, so mean about her new outfit. or she wipes that She wipes that makeup off her face because she looks alarming before they they do that. But in the next scene when she's she goes she gets in the car and meets Lily, she's taking the makeup off and she looks yeah you know like like Anne Hathaway, one of the most beautiful women in the world.
00:49:46
Speaker
Yes, exactly. She looks like you know a teenager going to high school. Yes, yes. But, you know, she looks like a movie star, you know? Yeah, yeah. She's very pretty.
00:49:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And Lily just rips her apart and going, what happened to you? And just sort starts yelling at her about how she's conforming and turning into, um so Mandy Moore's character is called Lana, Lana, and her other two friends are like Anna and Fontana.
00:50:18
Speaker
Anna and Fontana. it's I think it's Lana, Anna, and Fontana.
00:50:26
Speaker
and um And she's horrible to her and really hurts um Mia's feelings. And you know Hector Elizondo tells her, no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. She's like, that's an Eleanor Roosevelt quote. And he's like, girl, I know.
00:50:40
Speaker
yeah he's like, girl, I feel like your father now. Yeah, and then ah and then she tells Heather Matarazzo, just because your hair sucks, you can get off mine. Heather Matarazzo's hair does indeed suck in this movie. does. She looks awful.
00:50:56
Speaker
Yes. And so she's like, well, then we're not friends anymore. i'm going to get rid of your friendship charm bracelet. Oh, yeah, i also had a charm bracelet. um Oh, sure. Hired in this movie.
00:51:06
Speaker
but um But it may validated my my charm bracelet. This movie validated that. um And then Mia's like, okay, fine. I'm a princess. And then Heather is like, oh my God, nevermind. going to be nice to you now. Like it sucks. Like she's a bad person. She needs to cut her out of her life. Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:23
Speaker
Yeah. um But, you know, they're 15-year-old girls. They're kind of all bad people. There's no thing good 15-year-old. There's a lot of hormones and feelings and, like, lashing out because – and, I mean, like, Heather – whatever. Lily has a really nice semi-monologue about it later on um where she does say, you know, that I saw you becoming – pretty and popular and everybody wanted to be your friend and I got jealous. And so I lashed out at you and that's what I did. I lashed up.
00:51:57
Speaker
I told you I need an attitude adjustment. She does need an attitude adjustment. Yeah. Which is more, which is better than we can say for Annie Hathaway's friends in the devil wears Prada, for example. Um, yeah, those friends suck.
00:52:08
Speaker
They really do. um ah yes so michael asks her out uh she's oblivious she's like well she asks if it's a date and honestly she handles it really smoothly like again this is when we're seeing she's comfortable she can act normal yeah um where she's like oh is it a date and he's like no no it says we want come see my band and she goes oh well i'd love to that like she's totally normal in that interaction like she's not awkward at all it's true Um, but she does believe him when he tells her it's not a date because, I mean, you have to believe people when they tell you things.
00:52:43
Speaker
ah Yeah. Which is not her fault. Um, she doesn't think it's that big of a deal when she blows him off later to go to the Pinker Beach party. Exactly. uh, she, um, yeah.
00:52:57
Speaker
What is this? Oh, yeah. The press find out about her. They they swarm the school. Paolo told on her. Yeah. like And we have the fabulous, infamous meme-making scene of Sandra Oh. Sandra Oh, surprisingly, in this movie. Like, she just shows up. Yeah. Yep.
00:53:14
Speaker
As Vice Principal Gupta. And she goes, Gupta, uh-huh, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. The queen is coming. And she just has this fabulous like comedic moment with Julie Andrews where she she brings her over tea and she goes, I'm so sorry, your highness. and Because she lets Julie Andrews- She really fawns over her, yeah She lets Julie Andrews sit in her chair behind her desk.
00:53:39
Speaker
um And she goes, I'm so sorry, we don't have fight of China. And then she just shoves a coffee in Anne Hathaway's mom's face and goes, here! Yeah. Um, ah Mia triple books herself for Saturday night. She agrees to be on Lily's cable show, which seems terrible. It's called shut up and listen, which is very accurate for, for that woman yeah of that child. Um, ah she agrees to go on a date with Josh and she agreed to go on a date with Michael and she cancels on Michael and breaks his heart, but she doesn't realize it ah yeah She goes to this beach party where um there's some, the press show up in a helicopter. Mandy Moore horribly lip syncs to a so stupid sixty s song. yeah do um Also, I don't know, since you weren't really a DCOM kid, ah you probably don't remember. um But ah when this movie came out, there was one of their girls on the street. Yeah.
00:54:40
Speaker
went on to set. Like I told you, they were really cool. Oh, sure, yeah. one of their girls on the street, their reporter chicks. Like the girl from The Nanny later on in this movie shows up. Yes! Nicole Tom, yeah. ah um Well, their girl on the street, ah she she did like a behind the scenes thing and they were like, and then for this fun feature, you're going to be an extra in this scene where Mandy Moore is performing it and every time it like pans over to the people clapping, I'm just like, oh, there's the like...
00:55:09
Speaker
The girl from the Disney Channel news show. Well, good for her. Yeah. um But before that, we we have the state dinner. Oh, yeah. And she wears this horrible blue dress. It's actually inspired by um some royal from Sweden's dress. Well, it's ugly. um ah And this is when we meet the Baron and the Baroness who are scheming to take over Genovia. Yeah.
00:55:34
Speaker
All the food is green. Yep. She didn't realize the ice cream was frozen. Yep, which I think is insane. That's insane. You can tell when something's frozen.
00:55:46
Speaker
Yes. um ah There's just a bunch of like slapstick moments there. She causes a big disaster, but the the the visiting state official finds it funny, so it's all yeah it all works out. But she decides that she's not going to be the princess pretty much at this point. Yeah, this is when she starts to be like, well, all I can do is fuck up. But Julie Andrews tries to shake her out of her funk and they go and they have a normal day on the town in San Francisco and they go to the famous pier. They shot this movie in San Francisco, so they do a lot of um of fun on location stuff. um They're at this like...
00:56:22
Speaker
It's called like Musée Robotique or something like that. It's a bunch of like old turn of the century, like um animatronic games and stuff. Like Julie Andrews does like a like a um an arm wrestling thing with like a robot and stuff. um She's so charming. We love Julie Andrews so much. um just She's so good in this role and she's so good in this movie. She's a delight. Yeah.
00:56:43
Speaker
Then on their way back, because she um and Hathaway says, no, no, we we will not take be taking the limo. I want to show you my baby. And then there's a funny moment where Julie Andrews is like, wait, what?
00:56:56
Speaker
Yeah. And it's really, it's her Mustang. But her Mustang, even though she paid $40, which is not a lot of money to fix a car That's so as's a tiny amount of money to fix a car, especially an old car. yeah Right? um But apparently they it she got what her money's worth because it didn't fix the car. And so she's going up that giant hill in San Francisco that's like basically 90 degrees. and ah And the car won't make it up. And so then they start rolling backwards and they hit a trolley. And so Julie Andrews has to like sort of...
00:57:31
Speaker
brush over this moment and like make it to where because Anne Hathaway can't is 15. Um, Mia Thermopolis doesn't have driver's license and she was supposed to be with a licensed driver, but, um, uh, turns out queen Clarice Rinaldi, uh, doesn't have a driver's license because she doesn't need one. Cause she's the queen. uh,
00:57:53
Speaker
And so they're like, well, we got to take Mia Thermopolis downtown. And she like goes, oh, no, wait. Oh, I understand. Can I knight you in the order of the rose, which is the name of the street over here?
00:58:06
Speaker
and they're both so charmed. Her, the trolley driver and the police officer are so charmed by her that ah they're like, you know, we don't need to do any of that. That's a lot of paperwork. Who cares yeah about that? Nobody got hurt.
00:58:21
Speaker
So you go on, Julie Andrews. You go on, Thermopolis. Bye-bye.
00:58:27
Speaker
And then back to the Baker Beach party. Right. Then, yeah, and also I don't think that even if that did happen, I can't imagine you would arrest a child for that. I don't think you would arrest a child. Cite them. There's a citation. There's a fine that the parents are in trouble, but you don't arrest a child for driving.
00:58:47
Speaker
Right. With with a learner's permit. yeah um ah Yes.
Mia's Royal Journey and Personal Growth
00:58:52
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um ah Yeah. Mandy Moore claims their best friends. um ah She talks. Oh, yeah. She tells her mother that um she hopes that Josh will be her first kiss at the beach party. And she wants her foot to pop. And her mom is like, what is the her foot the foot popping? and It's like, come on, mom. You don't know about the foot popping? Like, have you ever seen a movie?
00:59:14
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um When you kiss someone and your foot just kind of like involuntarily ah pops up behind you, which is- Because you're so swooned. Unfortunately, not really a real thing. um It is if you think hard about it. Well, yeah, you can do it in like consciously, of course. it i mean, listen, we we can all be an icon if we want to. I'm not saying I've never done it, but you know it's not involuntary.
00:59:43
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And she goes, I hope you have your first real foot popping kiss. Yeah. um ah And then ah as like there's some more god awful songs at the beach. So a helicopter with the press shows up, ruining everyone's fun. um All the kids freak out.
01:00:00
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She and Josh escape off to a cabin. And then they have what I think is an oral sex joke, where he's like, how about a foot rub? And she's like, oh, that'd be amazing. And he goes, no, no, I meant you rub my feet. yeah I didn't even get that.
01:00:14
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I feel like that's probably what was intended by the script. Oh, okay. You know, who knows? Maybe I'm just, I have my mind in the gutter.
01:00:22
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Movie's rated G, Katie. Well, i know what I'm saying. That's why you they had to to, you know, cloak it. um ah The reporters sneak on to the, yeah, so they try to kiss, but she says it's not romantic because her foot is caught up in a volleyball net. Yeah.
01:00:36
Speaker
And the reporters sneak onto the roof and then he grabs her and like manhandles her in front of the yeah the reporters because he's just trying to get, yeah he's just trying to get his photo taken just like everybody and kisses her. And then, um and then she runs away and goes to change and one of like changing tents. And then Mandy Moore and the evil girls,
01:00:56
Speaker
like get the press to come and take the tent away while she's naked so they can take photos of a naked 15 year old girl, which is like 1000% a crime. like And not rated G. Yeah.
01:01:08
Speaker
Also, like I just never really understood why she didn't just put her jeans on over her swimsuit. um Yeah, it's not like she was in the water anyway. Right? I don't think she was even wet. Yeah. Like, i don't wonder I just never understood why if she was in such a hurry, she didn't just take her jeans and put them on over her swimsuit and run off. Like, why did it require an entire full, like, gotta to get naked change? And we had to have hijink,
01:01:34
Speaker
Yeah. And did she not have underwear? Because like, did did her friends have her or did Lana, Anna and Vantana?
01:01:44
Speaker
Did they have her underwear too? I have no, it doesn't. Or did she just not wear underwear? like Maybe not. it is It is a big curiosity of me. of ah I spent a lot of New Year's Eve. There's this one performance by Sabrina Carpenter that she's done on SNL that's so fantastic. And I loved it so much. um It's her performance of Man Child where she is doing sort of a reinterpretation of um Adventures in Babysitting. Sort of like jumping on the bed in a t-shirt and underwear that says likes live from New York Saturday night. um But like
01:02:20
Speaker
I get so wrapped around the axle of like, is that her underwear or is there underwear underneath that? Because like, what if something moves and like, what if her butt cheek slips? Like what's going to happen there? Like, i don't think she's glued into it.
01:02:34
Speaker
It's probably, it she probably has something underneath it and it's probably also taped, I would imagine. Yeah. I don't know. like spirit gummed or something. Like, I'm sure that there's no chance. She also could be wearing like, you know, what they call them? Those shiny tights that they wear. No, she's barefoot. And it's just filmed.
01:02:51
Speaker
Oh, yeah? I don't know. It's hard to say. Yeah. So I got really wrapped around the axle on that. um So I'm just always concerned with what underwear people are wearing. Yeah. Who knows? Well, when any guest stars on the on the show, we'll have to ask her about her underwear. I'm sure she'll love that. she have underwear? like Yeah.
01:03:13
Speaker
People want to know Amy. Yeah. um So, yes. Then we have a Backstreet Boys deep cut called What Makes You Different, which is...
01:03:24
Speaker
What makes you different? Terrible song. beautiful it see It sounds like a parody of a boy band song. It sounds like like one of the songs that from K-pop Demon Hunters or something. where it's like
01:03:38
Speaker
Those songs are all books? Or like Together. do you remember Together? Yes. The MTV parody of boy bands? Yes, I remember Together. It sounds like a Together song. What makes you different? You're the most different girl in the world.
01:03:52
Speaker
You plus me equals calculus. My calculus says that me plus you equals us. That's how that
01:04:04
Speaker
goes. tried to I tried to show that at movie night once and we could not find it for the life of us. Are you kidding me? original Together movie. Yeah. there's ah One of my favorite exchanges from that is also, um he says, he goes, yeah, make a buttload of money. goes, how much is a buttload of money? it goes, $1,000. And then the other guy goes, how do you figure that? He goes, well, because one time I put $5 in my butt, but not to brag or anything, but I could fit way more in there. Easy. Way more.
01:04:33
Speaker
I loved that movie so much. Yeah. There was like, there was a, there was a TV show, like, um, spinoff too. Yeah. Yeah. And like the album, the songs were actually bops. Like I yeah have like the, um, the hardest part of, is, of breaking up, um, is getting back your stuff. is getting back your stuff. I have that like on my workout mix. Like it's just so good. Um, and I'm so curious because like, it's like that and it's just like Daria and it's like, what is happening? Where can we find all this old MTV? Y2K stuff. I want to watch Daria.
01:05:09
Speaker
Dari is on um Amazon Prime. Oh, nice. And, well, I think it might be on Paramount Plus, actually, because I have Paramount Plus attached to my Amazon Prime because all that MTV and Nickelodeon stuff is Viacom, so that's Paramount Plus, Paramount Ones. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, then you can get together on there.
01:05:28
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know I haven't checked recently. This was years ago. We tried to watch the Together movie. So there's and there's a second Together movie that was available. And then the Together TV show was available. But the original Together movie was nowhere to be found. Like he couldn't even download it. Like illegally. Yeah. Not even like pirate it. We couldn't find it. Yeah. Jesus.
01:05:47
Speaker
Yeah, so that's neither here nor there. um ah She misses the cable show. ah Lily's really mad at her. And then they have a fight. And then Lily apologizes. And she's like, you should be the princess. Because I realize my cable show only reaches 12 people. Just like us, Emma. Just like We are. we have We have a lot more listeners than 12.
01:06:08
Speaker
um ah and we're actually doing really well. Yeah. And some of those 12, at least for Lily, were royalty. because Yeah, that's true. watches I also just also got so confused, like, especially in this rewatch, which I rewatch this movie all the time. But, like,
01:06:26
Speaker
if Her mom and her grandma and like everyone and their mom was watching Lily's television show, but they all knew that Mia was going to this beach party. Wouldn't someone call Lily and be like, hey girl, she's not coming.
01:06:43
Speaker
My guess is that they don't like Lily very much. Um... I mean, if you were Mia's mom and like your daughter was hanging out with this like abusive little little girl, um i mean, would would you care about her? As a mother, I would call Lily's mother and be like, it looks like your daughter is making a big deal about my daughter going on to her show. And I just want her, you know know, she's not going to be there. My guess is that Lily's mom is also ah a huge problem. ah Probably.
01:07:15
Speaker
Someone you don't want to have a conversation with ever. Yeah. um But so she's like, you can affect change. yeah You can do things that people pay attention to and you have an audience. Much like, kind of like The Prince and Me. It's like this thing where it's like, you can do things as the as the queen that you can't do as a normal person. Of this fictional country. Of this fictional country. ah The fictional country of Denmark in The Prince and Me and the fictional country of Genovia in this movie. Yes. there and Then there's the... hairs Yeah, the insane softball scene, which is like, you have to you're going to fail this class if you don't hit this softball. I'm like, I am 100% sure that they can't do that.
01:07:53
Speaker
Right? And i I mean, I would have failed if I'm being honest. A lot of people would have failed. She gets the diary from her dad. There's a letter in there. she's goingnna run a first she's going to go and abdicate the throne. um And Julie Andrews has made her peace with that. She's like, you're my granddaughter first, and I love you, and I want you to do whatever's right for you. Mm-hmm.
01:08:15
Speaker
Meet us there. And she's like, I'll get a ride with my mom. And then when later her mom shows up there. The reason why this all happens is because Julie Andrews sort of freaks her out by going, um oh, just one small little thing, you know, teeny tiny. Don't worry about it. ah Just little throw away. But I need you to actually like give a speech. saying that you're giving up the throne and I need you to do it. And she's like, oh, well, no one wants to hear from me. I mean, like, can't you do it And she goes, no, actually, legally, I cannot because in this fictional monarchy, you have to do it. So i you need to go stand up in front of hundreds of strangers and the press and tell them why you are giving up your duty by birth.
01:09:00
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And she freaks out and Hector Elizondo is there and um she's like's like, are someone says, are you going to go pick up Mia? And she's like, no hes he goes, no, her mom is going to take her. And they're like well, her mom's already here and she's not here. And Hector Elizondo is like, oh, she's going to run.
01:09:16
Speaker
Yep. We cut to Mia. The storm has, as as the thunder is is is ah rumbling. The rain starts pouring down. She's attempting to flee to Colorado with Fat Louie, her cat, which I can't believe i haven't mentioned yet. We haven't mentioned Fat Louie. Also, fun fact about Fat Louie. Fat Louie was played actually by four cats. There was one for holding, one for sitting, for... Your voice just went to such a strange place, Emma. You're like, oh my God, Fat Louie!
01:09:45
Speaker
Fat Louie! I don't know. love Fat Louie. I mean, I love Fat Louie too. Fat Louie looks like a great cat. I love Fat Louie.
01:09:54
Speaker
Uh, yeah. So she and Fetley, we are going to escape to Colorado to go rock climbing or something. i don't know what the fuck. I don't know what there is. And drive away in her convertible in the pouring rain.
01:10:05
Speaker
She's absolutely soaked. She doesn't even have an umbrella. The car top won't close and then she can't drive. Um, and she gets stuck and she's just sitting in the rain in her convertible yeah crying and Hector Elizondo finds her and he's like, all right, let's go.
01:10:22
Speaker
Yep. Yep. He's like, you weren't trying to run, were you? And she went, drt just like this? No, I'm going to a ball. And so then they show up. She shows up to the ball and she's there. And Julie Andrews is like, she had like weighed into the last possible moment before the press, like, we're going to all walk out on this ball um before she were was to give the speech. And as she's beginning to like something,
01:10:48
Speaker
the precursor of her speech about how Anne Hathaway is giving up the throne. Anne Hathaway shows up soaking wet in jeans and docks and the sweatshirt. And we have the chick from the nanny. She's from Beethoven and the nanny. Her name is Nicole Tom. And she's from Teen Scene Magazine. Is she a beautician in the beast too? That's cute. Cause that's the daughter of the beast. You know you know what movie friend Drescher is also in?
01:11:18
Speaker
Beethoven? Marty Supreme. Great. That's great. Does she also play ping pong? No, she's his mom and she has she's she's in like two scenes.
01:11:32
Speaker
Fabulous. Well, we'll do beautician and the beast on here sometime. Oh man. That movie is bad. I love that movie. Oh, that movie is so bad. it's So bad. It's not good. It's not good at all, but boy, does it bring, is it nostalgic? Um, but yeah, so she's from teen scene magazine. next Like everyone heard like one clip is like for the magazine is like, she's wearing this like wet sort of grunge look with like with jeans, a sweatshirt and docs.
01:12:01
Speaker
She's got like two lines. I'm not sure what the deal is exactly, but mean, I guess it's like kids recognized her from the nanny, so that that's why they put her in. I don't know. Or she like had some contract things she needed to do. I don't know. I don't know. Paolo shows up to fix her hair um because only he can operate a flat iron, clearly. Only he can.
01:12:22
Speaker
And ah then she kind of has this speech where she talks about how selfish she's been. And I'm like, yeah yeah, that's actually a really good point. It was surprising for the movie to be as self-aware as that, to to realize that that she has been a problem throughout the movie, even though she's the hero in a Disney movie for little kids. Yeah. um And ah Michael shows up. That's right. So she had a whole thing where she apologized and he didn't accept her apology. And then, so she sent him a pizza with M&Ms and then he decides, okay, fine, I'll go to the dance. And so he shows up and she dances with him and then they kiss in the garden and her foot pops, obviously. and when her foot pops, it turns all the fountains and lights on in the garden. It's very romantic. He disappears before the second movie.
01:13:05
Speaker
i Yeah, they they have some sort of bullshit reason why he's gone, and i was really upset about He's no Chris Pine, Emma. I know. Like, let's be honest. I know. i mean We need to do, we're going to do the second movie on here at some point. The second movie is actually a rom-com. Yeah, it's actually a rom-com. But we couldn't do it but without having this one. No, of course not. You got to do this one first. She says that because you saw me when I was invisible yeah and then Hector Elizondo and Julie Andrews like walk off hand in hand. And then she's like, going to go bang I'm moving to Genovia. Yeah. She's like, I'm moving to Genovia. And then the last scene is her flying with fat Louie in her private jet, uh, writing in her new diary from her dad. Uh, and, uh, her talking about how she's moving to Genovia, how Michael and Lily are going to spend their summer vacations there and long distance is totally going to work. And, um, they're going to ship over her Mustang for some stupid reason. Don't know why. um Hey, live your life. ah But and she's like the only one who's really adapted real to flawlessly to being a royal is Fat Louie.
01:14:15
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yeah And need it like pans over and there's Fat Louie sitting on a beautiful um royal pillow with a little teeny tiny crown. Yeah. um ah Yeah. And they're making a third one, apparently. Yeah, I know. That's what they claim. Very excited about it. and um And then you get that famous last line of, um Princess, if you look out your window now, you'll see.
01:14:39
Speaker
Welcome to Genovia. hey and ah some Some castle from England, I'm sure. Yeah, I think it's in Scotland. Who knows? Stock footage, yeah. Yeah, whatever.
Monarchy Reflections and Cultural Impact
01:14:48
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um But yeah, it's Princess Diaries. And if you were once a curly-haired, clumsy, cat-loving...
01:14:58
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little loser of a tween this movie was your bible and who wasn't a loser as a tween every all tweens are losers it's the definition of being a tween yeah exactly uh i love this movie charlie had a big issue with the monarchy he went on a big monologue where he couldn't understand why anne hathaway had to be and i had to explain to him all the but bits that he missed in terms of like the royal lineage. Because he was on his phone, probably. Because he was on his phone, but he also- Movies make a lot more sense if you're not on your phone, Charlie.
01:15:30
Speaker
Exactly. He also didn't understand because they were two years without a king. But then I guess, no, because her dad was then in line her dad died two months ago. died two months ago. This is exactly what told Charlie. I was like, it makes sense when you put the timeline together, Charles. It's airtight, like lore and mythology in the Princess Diaries universe. Yeah, and he's like, so they didn't have a ruler for two months? And he was like, if King Charles did blah, blah, blah, blah. And was like, hey, you know what? This movie was written by, based on a book, which was written by, the film was written by Americans who have never had a king.
01:16:14
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or and and And don't care. And don't care. And we romanticize it to where it's all wearing tiaras and pretty dresses and having lots of money and you find your prince and yay.
01:16:27
Speaker
Yeah. i'm ah Yeah. i' And that's The Princess Diaries. um it's ah It's cute. I like Ella Enchanted better, but we'll get to that movie another day. yeah yeah Hooray! What are we doing next week, Katie?
01:16:41
Speaker
Next week, we are going ah classic. We are going back to The 40s? thirty s the forty s I'm not sure when this movie came out. I was just thinking we haven't done it a timeless one in a minute.
01:16:54
Speaker
Yeah, we are going to be watching The Lady Eve. Preston Sturgis' The Lady Eve. Fabulous. With my girl, Barbara Stanwyck. Yeah. I love it. Amazing. Well, shall we outro? Let's outro. Let's outro.
01:17:08
Speaker
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01:17:26
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01:17:42
Speaker
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