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SIPA Paranormal Chronicles S1E1 - Introduction, and what is the Paranormal?
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Welcome to the First Episode of S.I.P.A. Paranormal Chronicles, where we discuss everything that encompasses the Paranormal.
We also discuss the differences between Paranormal Fact and Paranormal Fiction.
Finally, we chat about the difference between a Ghost Hunter and a Paranormal Investigator
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Introduction to 'SIPA Paranormal Chronicles'
00:00:01
Lee Hatfield
And hello everybody and welcome to the first episode of a brand new podcast called SIPA paranormal chronicles. So what is SIPA paranormal chronicles all about? Our aims to open up the world of the paranormal. Most people just talk about ghosts and spirits. However, what we want to do is to talk about everything connected with the paranormal world.
00:00:30
Lee Hatfield
So that's everything from ghosts, spirits, demons, cryptids, reincarnation, UFOs, and everything in between. So I would like to introduce my two co-hosts.
00:00:43
Lee Hatfield
We have Megan. Say hello, Megan.
00:00:45
Megan anderson
Hi, hello.
00:00:46
Lee Hatfield
And we have Joe.
00:00:49
Jo
a
00:00:49
Lee Hatfield
Say hello, Joe. Hey. So what I'd like to do first, guys, is thank you for joining us today. I know we've got some bad weather outside, so for everyone listening, ah we're all from either Montreal or Ottawa in Canada, and we have a mega storm outside.
00:01:05
Jo
Hey.
00:01:07
Lee Hatfield
Expect in between two and three foot of snow.
00:01:10
Jo
Eh.
00:01:10
Lee Hatfield
Joe's been out shoveling snow this morning so he probably he wanted to power nap before we started and we wouldn't let him so perfect time to start a podcast so guys I let's introduce ourselves to everybody that listens ah so I'll start so my name is Lee as I've said I'm originally from the UK I've been in Canada about 12 years
00:01:18
Jo
I just want to sleep.
00:01:19
Megan anderson
Yep.
00:01:40
Lee Hatfield
I've had previous work in the emergency services in the UK. I was also in the military, and now I work for the government.
Paranormal Experiences and Origins
00:01:50
Lee Hatfield
Yay, I hear you say. So my first experience in the paranormal was I was a paramedic in England. I was working with a new person who I had not worked work with before. We got called to a cardiac arrest.
00:02:08
Lee Hatfield
So between me and my colleague, we're doing CPR and we're doing the normal stuff. And my colleague just comes out with, the patient is telling you to stop. I'm like, excuse me, what? He goes, yeah, the spirit of the patient is stood behind you and he's telling you that you're not coming, that he's not coming back and you don't have to do CPR. So that kind of threw me, obviously, and then I kind of said to him, well, with all due respect to the patient, can you please tell him I have to continue legally as otherwise I'll be in trouble. So he kind of spoke over my shoulder and we dealt with the patient and yeah we didn't get the patient back. And then I'm sat in the ambulance after it's like, dude, seriously? You could have told me that before we went to anything that you was a medium.
00:03:05
Lee Hatfield
He goes, well, yeah I don't normally like to bring it up. And I'm like, jeez, dude. And like that was my first real experience of the paranormal. I've been interested ever since and me and the other two guys of SIPA, the hierarchy, so to speak, Volta and Logan.
00:03:26
Lee Hatfield
joint forces about a year ago and we're getting bigger and bigger and more things are happening. And hence the podcast is part of that. So over to you, Megan. Introduce yourself. Tell us why you got invited invested into the paranormal and go.
00:03:47
Megan anderson
Alright, hi guys, I'm Megan. So I've been always intrigued with the paranormal and mostly because of my mom. My mom was a huge fan of paranormal, like growing up watching all the shows. We would watch YouTube videos together. So I've always been into it. um We lived in a really old farmhouse and as a kid I could remember stuff if I can't explain to you that would happen and things I would see.
00:04:16
Megan anderson
and It's always stuck with me. So yeah, I've always been into the paranormal that way. I've officially been doing paranormal and investigating about for two and a half years now. I joined a public investigation with my best friend and yeah, I've been kind of in it ever since. So it's been a lot of fun. I do it just to kind of figure out what's the truth out there, like what happens afterwards and everything. So yeah, it's a lot of fun, really into it.
00:04:46
Lee Hatfield
Okay, Joe.
Understanding Paranormal Phenomena
00:04:47
Jo
Hey, I'm Joe. I'm not from the UK, but I can spell it. After that, it's all I know.
00:04:53
Lee Hatfield
ah so ah That's a great start. That's a great start.
00:04:55
Jo
Thank you. I can spell that. I'm mostly a near do well. I think that's my experience with the paranormal. It's the one I can talk about right now. I don't know, maybe high school, my friend and I had a something happened to us is unexplainable. And we both looked at each other and we kind of thought like, wow, it's it's kind of weird. We saw that. Yeah, I saw that too. And ever since then, I've been kind of researching into the paranormal. I used to be part of a team in Montreal for 2013 until 2019 ish. And we would would do investigations around the town, sometimes in Ottawa, sometimes a little bit hawksberry stuff like that.
00:05:40
Jo
And I'm more of a skeptic, meaning I'll keep my mind open and I really want to see what I cannot explain. That's my real interest in a paranormal, what I cannot explain. And then keep my mind open to that. So thanks for having me here.
00:05:57
Lee Hatfield
You're most welcome. And that's the good thing about ah being part of SIPA. So as a paranormal investigation team, we will try and rule out everything normal before we actually look at the paranormal.
00:06:14
Lee Hatfield
We can go into the more about that later on. and But what I'd like to now is actually go into the very start of what paranormal is. So to you guys, if I said to you, give me three examples of what the word paranormal means, what what would you actually come back with? Megan?
00:06:46
Megan anderson
Oh god, three words to explain it. um
00:06:52
Megan anderson
Well, you can't explain it, like un-explainable, like...
00:06:56
Lee Hatfield
So three examples of what you think the paranormal is.
00:06:58
Megan anderson
Yeah. Three examples of what I think the paranormal is?
00:07:01
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:07:05
Megan anderson
Well, obviously, to me, examples is...
00:07:10
Megan anderson
Well, like, when people have experiences of... things they can't explain or things that happen that they can't explain. They see things they can't explain.
00:07:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it's basically the paranormal is is basically the unknown.
00:07:22
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:07:25
Megan anderson
Yeah, the unknown.
00:07:26
Lee Hatfield
So yeah, and it's sort of like there's too much that goes on in this day and age for there not to be something there.
00:07:26
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:07:36
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:07:37
Lee Hatfield
People experience apparitions, they hear voices.
00:07:43
Lee Hatfield
A lot of this can be explained, but some of it can't.
00:07:48
Megan anderson
Mm hmm.
00:07:49
Lee Hatfield
So if you talk about the power normal, it's not just ghosts and spirits. It's everything to do with the unknown. So that's why we can mention reincarnation.
00:07:58
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:08:00
Lee Hatfield
That's why we can mention demons and cryptids, even UFOs.
00:08:03
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:08:04
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it's part of the unknown. Because if people say that UFOs don't exist, the universe is such a vast place that you cannot say that we are the only people out there.
00:08:16
Lee Hatfield
Joe, would you like to add anything to that?
00:08:18
Jo
Sure. When you're saying hearing voices, I was hearing one right then. It had an English accent though. I'm not sure if it's unexplainable.
00:08:28
Lee Hatfield
I think we can put that in the explainable.
00:08:30
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:08:30
Jo
Explainable.
00:08:30
Jo
I was like, that was unexplainable.
00:08:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:08:31
Jo
Okay. So you guys heard that one too though? Okay. It wasn't just like, just me. Okay. I like the paranormal from the ghost angle. We talked about the ghost angle, but the aliens as well, the cryptids, right? I've talked to a demonologist and what he does for exorcisms could be in the paranormal or maybe someone can explain a way as like, well, the person believes it enough. Of course, it's going to help them out.
00:08:55
Jo
But that's just trying to explain something away from a Western lens, where in other cultures, that's the everyday. And so I like exploring all of it. And I think this is a great podcast to be on for this, because we're not touching one, we're touching everything.
00:09:10
Lee Hatfield
Exactly, because you do get a lot of podcasts out there that will particularly stick to one subject.
00:09:15
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:09:15
Jo
Bigfoot.
00:09:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, our yeah all yeah or ghosts or UFOs, where we are and going to encompass everything that is the paranormal.
00:09:17
Megan anderson
like Yeah.
00:09:27
Lee Hatfield
And that brings us nicely into the first kind of subject, the definition of the word paranormal. Now, We kind of toyed on the idea of a few examples, and we basically said it's the unknown, but there's so much more to the paranormal than just the unknown. So yeah astrology is basically comes under the umbrella of paranormal.
00:09:59
Lee Hatfield
clairvoyance comes under the umbrella. So there's so many different ah topics that come under the under the umbrella. And if you actually Google the word paranormal, there is at least 30 to 40 different definitions of what the paranormal is. So let me ask you guys, I think Joe's kind of touched on it a little bit already, but if you had to pick one, Megan,
00:10:28
Lee Hatfield
What would you say is your most um enthusiastic topic of the paranormal?
00:10:38
Megan anderson
UFOs.
00:10:40
Lee Hatfield
And why do you say that?
00:10:43
Megan anderson
I find it very interesting. guess like how to um I find it very interesting to know like, we aren't the only species. And they only plan it with living creatures and like, why they're coming here and why now and where they're coming from. And um yeah, it's kind of the UFOs and all the aliens and the sightings, like when people get adopted and hearing the stories and stuff.
00:11:13
Lee Hatfield
So do you do you actually think that when people get abducted, they actually do get abducted?
00:11:24
Megan anderson
The part of me that wants to believe it's so bad will say yes. And some of the stories that you hear, like, Well, it makes that, why is there so different stories from different places that have, that explain it and they, like a couple that got adopted and they can tell you everything and how they remember it and the people that witnessed it when they see like a UFO.
00:11:50
Lee Hatfield
love it. And then like I say, there's so many different subcategories of the word paranormal that we can actually.
00:11:56
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
00:11:58
Lee Hatfield
So Joe, I think you kind of touched on the subject before that, yeah, about ghosts and spirits. But would you say that is your favorite subject under that particular
Spirituality in Paranormal
00:12:08
Lee Hatfield
umbrella?
00:12:08
Jo
Well, Lee, the weird thing is paranormal, you've been a paramedic, yes?
00:12:12
Lee Hatfield
Correct.
00:12:12
Jo
It means near medicine and adjacent to paranormal is near normal, adjacent to, right? I have an alien abduction story. that I won't tell you yet, right?
00:12:25
Jo
And so when I just kind of rose into it, although that's not my main focus, I do like the spiritual, not so much ghost only, but the demonology and the spirituality of it, the whole afterlife beyond this thing of it.
00:12:40
Jo
That's what I want to investigate. That's what I want to see, mostly because we're afraid to die.
00:12:46
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:12:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:12:46
Jo
You know, it's like, hey,
00:12:47
Lee Hatfield
and And that's it. Yeah. yeah You mentioned about...
00:12:50
Megan anderson
I do find that is help.
00:12:51
Lee Hatfield
they so That's okay.
00:12:52
Megan anderson
Sorry. I do find that it's definitely helped me because like, well, we're all scared to die.
00:12:54
Lee Hatfield
You can interrupt me.
00:12:58
Megan anderson
But knowing that, and it could be healing in a sense to like, it's not over completely when we die or whatever. So.
00:13:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because the amount of people that say, yeah when I pass, yeah if there is another life out there, I'm going to come back and visit a paranormal investigation team just to like yeah put that check in that box.
00:13:18
Megan anderson
Yes.
00:13:21
Lee Hatfield
But it's like one thing that I find absolutely fascinating is, like I mentioned, there's over 40 subcategories to to the words paranormal. And we can talk ah about a couple of them that people know. So astral projection, out of body experiences. Yeah.
00:13:41
Lee Hatfield
My intention is to get people from all walks of life that hurt that have had some experience towards the paranormal. So in future episodes, I've got a demonologist. I've got an exorcist. I've got a UFOologist. I've got a Bigfoot investigator coming on. So we're going to have people from different walks of life that yeah like talking about their particular hobby.
00:14:08
Lee Hatfield
so some of the really random ones and some of these it's even like not as easy to say like breath of raniumism is the claimed ability for a person to live without consuming food and in some cases water it's like come on dude like my belly is grumbling all the time so there's absolutely no way that i'm going to suffer from that and if i can't say it i'm not going to suffer from it that's as far as it goes uh let's have a look at another one demon possession so
00:14:40
Lee Hatfield
Is demonic possession real? So I recently did a yeah an online course with a company called PPRI, which we are having the director on in a few weeks' time to speak about his particular company.
00:14:55
Jo
Cool.
00:14:59
Lee Hatfield
And I actually did an introduction into demonology. And one of the interesting facts about that is the Roman Catholic Church hired 250 clergymen to become exorcists. And one of the first courses they did was mental health issues. So how much of the demonic possession is real and how much of it is a mental health issue? That's a really big like topic that people will be have different opinions about.
00:15:38
Jo
Lee, what's the difference between a demon possession and like a ghost possession?
00:15:44
Lee Hatfield
So a demon possession can be absolutely yeah quite specific. So um for example, if you have ah schizophrenia, if you hear voices in your head, you hear the voice on both sides of your head, both both sides.
00:15:55
Jo
Right.
00:16:02
Jo
Right.
00:16:03
Lee Hatfield
Whereas a demonic possession, you only hear it on one side.
00:16:07
Jo
Really?
00:16:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, a demonic possession, ah if it's true a true demon, allegedly, they will know stuff about you that you've not told anybody. So for example, if you're having an affair with your boss's wife, they kind of know that kind of information. And it's like, where do they get that information from? And if the individual that's being possessed can also talk in a foreign language that they've had no
00:16:40
Lee Hatfield
no training in, no learning in. So rather than that kind of like the like the demonic side about it, and when we get the yeah ah demonologist and the exorcist on, they will actually go into a lot more detail.
00:16:54
Lee Hatfield
I don't say that I'm an expert in any way, shape or form.
00:16:56
Jo
Right.
00:16:57
Lee Hatfield
But a ghost possession is more like along the lines of the poltergeist, I would say. Like I could say, I'm not an expert, but a poltergeist can be ah more prevalent in puberty people,
00:17:17
Lee Hatfield
younger younger children that are having problems.
00:17:17
Jo
Right. Pre-pubetic.
00:17:19
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that that word, yeah. And it tends to come from them that are going through a rough time in their life. So it's not a possession per se. It's more of interaction with, but like I say, it can be ah more prevalent with people that are going through puberty.
00:17:34
Jo
Okay.
00:17:39
Jo
Very cool.
00:17:39
Lee Hatfield
So yeah, so going through the list, one thing that springs to mind now is the word doppelganger.
Investigating Paranormal Techniques
00:17:46
Lee Hatfield
Now a doppelganger is supposed to be a counterpart, so if we're doing an investigation, I may think Megan is stood next door to me when actually she's in the completely different room, but then whatever stood next door to me disappears. And what's really spooky about the word doppelganger, SIPA was ah an investigation last weekend
00:18:13
Lee Hatfield
and we were doing the estus method which for those that don't know if you have a ghost box which listens to white noise and it scans the frequencies you listen to that through headphones you're blindfolded and then they allegedly say that the spirits can pull words from the white noise and whatever whatever noise or whatever word they the individual hears they shout it out and then the people that are listening can can talk and ask questions. So on two previous occasion two previous occasions last weekend I heard a word mentioned and it sounded like it was Volta.
00:18:57
Lee Hatfield
Volta heard a word under the estus and he was convinced it was me. So is that a sense of doppelganger or is it just the interference of the white noise?
00:19:11
Lee Hatfield
So yeah you can't explain what happened because you're the only one that's listening to the white noise.
00:19:12
Jo
Hmm.
00:19:18
Lee Hatfield
So unless you've got a big speaker and then it gets more difficult for people to ask questions and to hear the answers, Like, yeah, how can you explain that? We can't.
00:19:29
Jo
but That's pretty interesting. Did that happen to you before?
00:19:33
Lee Hatfield
No.
00:19:34
Jo
So the first time was last, week okay.
00:19:36
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and the the place we was at, if you go onto the Facebook page of SIPA, you'll see the yeah some of the videos that we've posted, and there's a news article that a reporter came.
00:19:51
Lee Hatfield
But it was really weird how two people heard a team member while it was under the Estes Method.
00:20:00
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:20:00
Lee Hatfield
So like yeah I'm not a scientist.
00:20:00
Jo
Hmm.
00:20:04
Lee Hatfield
yeah Was it real? Was it just something that we like came across we don't know? But going down that list further, yeah you've got the normal subjects of fortune telling, medium shit, the Ouija board, poltergeist. We're all going to go into these a lot more detail as the episodes go on. And we've got a really fascinating guy who lives in Seattle.
00:20:30
Lee Hatfield
by the name of Keith, who's got a fantastic poltergeist story. He's coming on in a few weeks' time, so that's going to be a fun ah story to to listen to. Psychic reading. Psychometry. Does anybody know what psychometry is?
00:20:49
Jo
Let's take a pass on this one.
00:20:51
Lee Hatfield
Are you going to pass?
00:20:51
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:20:52
Jo
Yeah.
00:20:53
Lee Hatfield
Psychometry is it's the claimed ability of obtaining information and knowledge just by touching something. So if if you're in a museum, for example, and you've got a chair belonging to a member of royalty or whatever, if you touch it The mentality is that you can pick up feelings from the history of the chair, get the information from who it's from, who sat in the chair and all this kind of fun stuff. So, yeah, people say that the paranormal is not real. It's completely fake. But there's so much that you can talk about. and There's so many different and subjects.
00:21:42
Lee Hatfield
You could talk about each subject for hours and hours and hours. So let's, like I say, I don't want to go too deep into all these subjects because we're going to be talking about a lot of them in future episodes.
00:21:54
Jo
ah
00:21:56
Lee Hatfield
So here we go. What is the difference between a ghost hunter and a paranormal investigator?
00:22:07
Jo
License to kill.
00:22:07
Lee Hatfield
and that So that again, so if
00:22:10
Jo
But can you kill the undead? I mean, license to re-kill? I don't know.
00:22:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I've saw an episode of The Walking Dead, so yeah, I've seen zombies.
00:22:20
Jo
Hey, those are real, man.
00:22:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly. So what's the difference between a ghost hunter and a paranormal investigator?
00:22:30
Jo
Open question.
00:22:32
Lee Hatfield
Open question, go for it.
00:22:33
Megan anderson
yep
00:22:34
Jo
Ghost hunter assumes the ghost is already there.
00:22:37
Lee Hatfield
Correct, a ghost hunter has already made his mind up, and when he visits that location, he knows that he's going to encounter a ghost in one way, shape, or form.
00:22:48
Jo
Right.
00:22:49
Lee Hatfield
Now, these are also the kind of people that if you're using any of the devices, and we'll talk about equipment later, they will, if they pick up a word, they will force that word into the investigation, whereas an investigator will not necessarily take note of that word if it's not relevant to what they're talking about. So if you're talking about a particular chair that a spirit keeps sitting in and the word meatloaf comes out,
00:23:29
Lee Hatfield
You can't really force that into the investigation, whereas you can put it to one side. But if you later on you find that the person in the chair likes eating meatloaf, then you can kind of bring it into the investigation. But a paranormal investigator does this is more critical thinking. They want to learn about the history. They want to learn about ah all the environmental changes, because not everything has a paranormal origin. There's a lot of things that can people think it can be paranormal, but they're not and we'll speak about that in a little bit as well. But yeah, a ghost hunter goes there for fun and just likes using all the gadgets with the bells and whistles where a paranormal investigator
00:24:21
Lee Hatfield
looks into it more deeply. They will do proper interviews with the client. They will create plans. They'll have done research. They not only have the proper equipment, but they have decent monitoring equipment as well. Yeah, stuff that you can buy generally on the market. So that kind of brings me nicely into the next part of it where people can get confused with what's paranormal and what's not.
Science and Skepticism in Paranormal
00:24:54
Lee Hatfield
So if I said to you, how does black mold, for example, come into a paranormal investigation, would either of you be able to tell me why we would test for black mold prior to doing a paranormal investigation?
00:25:14
Jo
because it might affect the way things are being hallucinated or not.
00:25:19
Lee Hatfield
That's exactly it, Joe.
00:25:20
Megan anderson
yeah
00:25:20
Lee Hatfield
Well done. Yay. Tick for Joe. So yeah.
00:25:24
Jo
Thank you, science background.
00:25:26
Lee Hatfield
Ding, ding, ding. So yeah, black mold can, in the worst forms, can produce hallucinations. So if you've got a ah wet, damp, dingy basement, for example, looking at you there, Megan,
00:25:38
Megan anderson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:44
Lee Hatfield
she sat in the basement yeah yeah if you are in contact with black mold on a regular basis and you start being affected by it, you can hallucinate.
00:25:46
Megan anderson
yeah
00:25:56
Lee Hatfield
And that hallucination, you might think it's paranormal.
00:25:59
Megan anderson
That explains so much in this house.
00:26:01
Lee Hatfield
the same
00:26:04
Lee Hatfield
your house is haunted now and we're coming for an investigation to your location pretty soon.
00:26:04
Jo
It's not haunted, it's just more.
00:26:04
Megan anderson
I'm kidding.
00:26:08
Megan anderson
Yes.
00:26:11
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:26:11
Lee Hatfield
You can also see this the same for electromagnetic fields.
00:26:15
Lee Hatfield
Now everything that has power has got a electromagnetic field. However, if there's a fault in the electrical system and it gives off really high EMF,
00:26:31
Lee Hatfield
then again, you can hallucinate. So typical scenario that a lot of people use, if you're laid in bed and you've got a the old fashioned plugged in electrical arm clock, and you've got a wiring issue, if that's giving off high EMF, then it can potentially make you hallucinate. So with SIPA, we go through all these checks prior to an investigation. We check for everything that we can. We will even do air pressure, and we have devices that measure wind. So if there's any drafts,
00:27:12
Lee Hatfield
we will check for carbon monoxide, we will check for electric magnetic fields or EMF, we will check for black mold. There's so many different things that we can look at that we have to rule out before we can start even considering a paranormal background.
00:27:30
Jo
Right.
00:27:31
Lee Hatfield
And one of the other things that you see a lot is something what's called paridolia. Every good paranormal investigator should always have paridolia in the back of their mind prior to reviewing evidence, looking at photographs. Go on then, Joe, what's paridolia?
00:27:57
Jo
I believe they went on tour with Lady Gaga.
00:28:00
Lee Hatfield
They were.
00:28:00
Jo
I always saw the concert once the opener.
00:28:02
Lee Hatfield
They were.
00:28:04
Jo
It was wonderful.
00:28:05
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, very expensive tickets, though, to see Paradolia.
00:28:07
Jo
yeah Yeah, a little bit.
00:28:10
Lee Hatfield
And the bass player was fabulous.
00:28:11
Jo
Oh, you know, is this the one where we see patterns and use kind of the clouds, right?
00:28:14
Lee Hatfield
and
00:28:17
Lee Hatfield
yeah yes so Yeah, so you see it you see a face on the moon.
00:28:17
Jo
You make stuff up with that.
00:28:19
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:28:22
Jo
Right.
00:28:22
Megan anderson
Yep.
00:28:23
Jo
Drill two sandwiches.
00:28:23
Lee Hatfield
isis Yeah, you see Jesus in burnt toast, face in the cloud, rock formations.
00:28:26
Jo
Yeah.
00:28:30
Lee Hatfield
yeah Saddam Hussein in a grilled cheese sandwich.
00:28:35
Jo
I've seen that though. That was real. That one was real. I bought that on eBay.
00:28:39
Lee Hatfield
Yes, Joe. And you still have it and you need to take it out of your house because it's beginning to smell.
00:28:44
Jo
Black mold. Yeah, I'm hallucinating it.
00:28:46
Megan anderson
Yeah, there you go, the black hole.
00:28:46
Lee Hatfield
Yes. Yeah. Black mold on the wall.
00:28:48
Jo
You he tell Saddam that. He's right there.
00:28:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:51
Megan anderson
ah
00:28:52
Lee Hatfield
So if you actually look at a lot of the pictures that people put on social media, I would say a large percentage, not evident, but a large percentage is actually pareidolia.
00:29:05
Lee Hatfield
And there's a lot of people that don't understand what pareidolia is.
00:29:08
Megan anderson
Thank you.
00:29:09
Lee Hatfield
So as a paranormal investigator, you always have to put that into context because the brain will always try and change something into something that the human brain recognizes.
00:29:22
Jo
Yeah.
00:29:23
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:29:26
Lee Hatfield
ah like yeah If you've got creases in your sofa and it looks like a face, it's not a face. It's a crease in your sofa. and people will go, no, no, that's a spirit.
00:29:37
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:29:38
Lee Hatfield
No, it's not. So, whereas pareidolia is visual, auditory pareidolia is the same for listening.
00:29:53
Lee Hatfield
So, if you're doing a ghost box session, you're doing an estus, or you hear voices or music, The brain will always try and put that into context that it understands.
00:30:09
Lee Hatfield
So you may hear something that you think says Megan or Joe, but it might just be the white noise crackling together.
00:30:19
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:30:20
Lee Hatfield
ah scott yeah If someone's going to hear a voice, as far as we're concerned, it's got to be real clear to what. is said it can't just be like a hundred because it could be anything so understanding power dolia and auditory power dolia are two big things of what a conscious paranormal investigator should should also bear in mind so guys we've actually come to the epic the end of this particular episode
00:30:35
Jo
Right.
Episode Wrap-up and Preview
00:30:58
Lee Hatfield
We've touched the, see, it doesn't time flow when you're having fun.
00:30:58
Megan anderson
Wow. Yeah, time flies.
00:31:04
Lee Hatfield
So I completely lost my track train of thought then.
00:31:10
Jo
Choo-choo!
00:31:10
Lee Hatfield
yeah We basically touched um on the basics of pat of what paranormal is. And like I said, in up and coming episodes, we're gonna be breaking these down even more.
00:31:21
Lee Hatfield
We're gonna be talking to, specialists in their own field even though paranormal is classed as a pseudoscience not recognized by scientists as i said at the beginning of the episode there are so many things that we cannot explain so something must be out there oh that goes down to the UFO bits again so i would like to thank you too for being part of episode one
00:31:52
Jo
lights you but you won't
00:31:53
Megan anderson
Yes.
00:31:54
Lee Hatfield
i'd love to say i'd I'd love to say I like you, Joe, but you know me, we don't like you at home.
00:31:59
Jo
um
00:32:00
Lee Hatfield
So, episode two, which is coming pretty soon after episode one, because I can count. I can count up to five on one happen, really good.
00:32:10
Megan anderson
da
00:32:13
Lee Hatfield
We're gonna start talking about if you wanna actually go onto an investigation and you wanna find a ghost. So again, Joe, get back to your snow clearing.
00:32:21
Jo
but you won't.
00:32:25
Lee Hatfield
Megan, I'll let you make sure you've got no black mold in your basement.
00:32:28
Megan anderson
Yes, thank you.
00:32:32
Lee Hatfield
Thank you very much, guys, and I will see both of you in episode two.
00:32:32
Megan anderson
Thank you.
00:32:36
Jo
Bye, everyone.
00:32:36
Megan anderson
Bye everyone.
00:32:38
Lee Hatfield
Bye-bye.