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Harley Quinn Season 3 Ep 1-3 + DC League of Super Pets Non-Spoiler
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Harley Quinn Season 3 is now airing on HBOMax! Andrew, Zuhair and J Scotty offer their thoughts and reactions to the adult animated comedy's first 3 episodes, plus J Scotty gives non-spoiler thought's on Warner Bros' DC League of Super Pets, starring Dwayne Johnson and Kevin Hart, now in theaters.
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Transcript
00:00:00
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Harley Quinn Season 3 Debut Discussion
00:00:29
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On another exciting entry of animation deliberation, Harley Quinn season 3 has debuted on HBO Max. The first three episodes are available now and we're going to discuss those right after some ads we have no say over whatsoever. This episode is made possible by PwC.
00:00:45
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Host Introductions and Banter
00:01:23
Speaker
Sing along if you know the words. One, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah. Yeah, Mr. J. All right. Welcome back to Animation Deliberation, the podcast that takes action animation and cartoons seriously, but not too seriously, obviously. My name is Jay Scottie Sinclair.
00:01:53
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Never Too Seriously by Zuher Ali. And, you know, a little too serious sometimes with Andrew Rogers. All right, what's going on, guys? How are we doing this week? Doing great. Had an exhausting vacation with an exhausting week of work with an exhausting day to Busch Gardens. And finally, a relaxing day was just my butt in a chair. Talking to you wonderful fellows and just watching TV. I love it.
00:02:24
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Very nice. Busch Gardens, Williamsburg. Yep. Hell yeah. Very nice. It's a great park. Hour drive compared to 12 hour drive? Yeah, Williamsburg. For sure. That makes sense. How about you, Andrew? What's going on? How are you getting settled in there? Things are doing great. I had a friend visit. It was a nice fun
00:02:43
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relaxing party bit of a weekend. But I agree having Harley Quinn to just kind of unwind with today was a nice chuckle, not have to seriously watch the TV. It was just, it was a good way to end off the weekend. So I'm doing great as well. Oh, yeah. What'd you hear? I feel like we don't ask you enough.
00:03:03
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Oh no, it's all good. It's been a
Crunchyroll Expo Preview
00:03:05
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busy week. I've had a few logistical things in the works, taking on more responsibilities at this job opportunity that I have. That's worth mentioning. I actually just got word before we got on here to record while I was finishing up my rewatch of Harley Quinn. I will be attending the anime
00:03:25
Speaker
Expo for Crunchyroll, the Crunchyroll Expo, on Friday. I got a past press to attend that, so I'm very excited to attend that. With that in mind, I invite both of you and the listeners, if you have any specific stops you want me to make or flag any cosplayers down or ask any questions, please let me know. I'll be doing that on Friday, August 5th.
00:03:47
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I mean, I've spoken plenty about my Mount Rushmore, so anything Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, Demon Slayer, or My Hero related, definitely Mount Four. Especially with the type of Spy family, that'll be the honorable mention. Right on. My question is just who are you cosplaying as when you go or... Ooh. That's... hmm. I have to do something that's not... doesn't require a lot of preparation.
00:04:15
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Hmm, and I would prefer to not have to shave, if possible. Yeah, and my hair academia, like the tracksuit. Uh, yeah, yeah, I was thinking, um. Maybe a hero from 1C. Maybe I could be present Mike. Ooh. I just have to like gel up my hair like to the extreme. I feel like you could pull that off. Okay. I'm already planning out my cosplays for now that I have access to conventions and stuff. So I'm ready to go. So I figured I had to ask if you were doing something fun.
00:04:45
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Hell yeah, yeah. And I'll have to squeeze in at least a couple episodes of Spy X Family before I go, just because you guys have been singing its praises for so long. I've been seeing it on Hulu. I guess I was just kind of like holding out hope that the dub would come out sooner rather than later, but I might just have to take the plunge. I always enjoy the sub anyway, but... Hey man, my anime reference is gonna come lightly.
00:05:06
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Yeah, right. Okay. Good to know. Good to know. Other than that, I will let the listeners know I did have the opportunity to see DC's League of Super Pets. I was going to provide a quick non-spoiler review, but I know Zuhair in particular does not want anything said, so he's going to remove his headphones at this time and I will give him the thumbs up when I am done.
DC's League of Super Pets Review
00:05:29
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So all I can do is sing this movie's praises. I went in with pretty tempered expectations. I'm not the biggest fan of The Rock historically. I mean, he's had some good movies. His team ups with Kevin Hart have been kind of hit or miss for me, but this was just a phenomenal summer movie. It's saying something when I enjoyed this movie.
00:05:47
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more than I enjoyed Thor Love and Thunder as well as Lightyear. Surprisingly, I never could have told you that. My expectations for this movie were not that great, but it delivers on all fronts. The voice acting, the jokes, there's humor there for adults and kids alike. It's got a lot of heart. It's a great story there. And if you're a DC fan, it's just peppered with references and jokes.
00:06:11
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out the wazoo so run out to your local theater support this movie and hopefully we can get a sequel and I invite everyone that's listening right now if you've seen the movie and want to submit your feedback do so at animation deliberation podcast at gmail.com and that's all I will say at this point in time but I look forward to when you guys have seen it and then we can all talk about it and that's all I will say so moving on enough of the DC dogs that's right that's right
Initial Impressions of Harley Quinn S3
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We are here to talk about the femme fatales of DC and Harley Quinn season three, first three episodes. Before we get into each episode individually, did you guys just want to offer some quick non-spoiler thoughts about what you thought about how the season kicked off?
00:06:54
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I'm going to get my negative out of the way. It's something that I've expressed for the last two seasons as well. And it's like, it's not a bingeable show for me. It's one of those things that is a very specific type of humor and one that like requires a certain level of attention that like, I can't watch too many episodes at once. And that's why I like that this is a weekly thing. So I was finishing up my watch of season two while starting my watch season three today. So it was one of those ones was like, I really had to take a break in between because it was just
00:07:22
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a lot at once so that's the only gripe I have for it like it is a very intelligent show for people who watch any form of DC like there's something that makes fun of but also like acknowledges in a fun way like not even a negative way it's just if it's one of those things like if you know you know whether it be something from comics whether it be something from an animated show or an animated movie or one of the live-action movies
00:07:45
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Like it really makes fun of itself in the funnest ways. It does have a consistent story and arc, you know, with season two and three, there's something that it's going towards. It's episodic, like in the best ways where there is a goal, but there's like a little thing that they go on for its own episode. So overall, like it still manages to just be
00:08:07
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Very funny great dialogue The action is just incredible like their animation budget is clearly going up every time and that HBO money is wonderful for them so yeah, just great show I'm excited to just watch it on a weekly basis and not have to worry about the binge anymore and Yeah, I'm glad that season 3 is keeping up with the hype word
00:08:29
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How about you, Andrew? What are your thoughts? Interestingly, I wasn't going to bring this up, but I almost feel the opposite. I think this is more of a bingeable show for me than a weekly thing. I love you, but we're too different. It's too much of the same sometimes. I could change it up.
00:08:47
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Now, I agree with everything you said. The action's been great. I feel like they really upped the ante with the gore and how far they can push the envelope with some things this season. And it's really interesting that that's the first three episodes. I feel like they are going further than they did.
00:09:05
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So I'm really curious where it's going to go from here. It's it's been a lot of fun. And I was reminded exactly
Voice Acting in Harley Quinn
00:09:12
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how off the walls this was, because I was talking to my girlfriend about this last night because she has not seen a single episode. She's like, Oh, what are you covering on the podcast? And I had to try and describe in words, like what the show was compared to normal Batman and DC things.
00:09:28
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And not being able to describe, I'm like, you just have to watch because it's too bizarre to put into words how zany and different this take on the DC universe is. Like, we'll get into some of the things I know we want to be non spoiler, but there were some of the things I said and just laughed as they came out of my mouth like that doesn't Batman shouldn't be doing that, but here we are. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:09:55
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I echo a lot of those sentiments. I think the thing that kind of sticks with me, the show, the most is that it plays and has a lot of fun with the DC universe at large, kind of like you were saying, Zuhar, but it does it scathingly, but also with just such apparent love and passion that whether you're a casual fan or a really deep fan, you're going to find some level of appreciation. It's going to have you laughing.
00:10:19
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I agree with everything that was said about upping the ante. I really feel like the animation has come a long way. I'd be interested to see what the budget looks like, but obviously the show, they have a lot of faith and confidence in it, bringing it back for a third season. And I really like this style of animation. It's so different from anything else we've seen. It's different from Young Justice. It's different from the animated films. It obviously harkens to the original Batman animated series, but it's a little more
00:10:47
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cartoony and playful but the violence is just so over the top and the characters are all so lovable and I feel like this season especially is kind of playing with some of the real world things and behind the scenes things we know about Warner Brothers as a studio and the DC film side of things but
00:11:07
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The show always has a lot of fun and takes the story in like crazy directions. But I noticed this season, especially, there's always like a very heartfelt through line and something that we learn about these characters and something that these characters learn about themselves. And I just really appreciate being able to balance that tone. Yeah. And I will also say before we get into spoilers, because I know you guys have had the chance to talk about the show, but this is my first time since I missed the season one to recap. I just also want to give credit to the voice actors.
00:11:35
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I feel like they have perfected these characters over the seasons that they've done them because I didn't totally love Kaylee. Is it Kaylee Cuckoo or Cuckoo? Quoko Quoko Kaylee Quoko as Harley Quinn when the show first started, I was like, I don't know how I feel about this. It's not quite what I'm expecting. And she's just knocking it out of the park now. Like she's she's very talented. I never once had a doubt with that. I just didn't love what she was doing with Harley Quinn at first. And I think she has now hit her stride.
00:12:03
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I don't know the voice actress that does Ivy off the top of my head. Lake Bell. Oh, it is like, of course it's like Bell. OK, that makes perfect sense. But the chemistry they have together is palpable and beautiful. And I mean, everyone deserves great credit. You know, King Shark and Alan Tudyk as clay face like they they all really are hitting their marks in the other seasons. And this season, especially, it feels like they have all figured out how to do these characters.
00:12:32
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It's hard to do a good Batman, but they're hitting it. That's a high bar. You have to beat Kevin Conroy, and they're there, I think. That's Dietrich Bader, correct?
00:12:44
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Correct. Yes. Yes. You know, he's doing for. For Kayla Coco specifically, I feel like Margot Robbie did such a good job with like her voice in the live action stuff. And I think that's what set like such a good standard of like what to go off of. And of course, like the original Batman series as well. And that's one of those things where it's like she's very selective about like when she throws like that Jersey accent in there. And that is kind of the line that you're trying to like.
00:13:11
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look for the consistency for her. But it's just one of those things that like, Kayla Cuoco's delivery on stuff is just so epic that like once you just kind of like accept that she's kind of doing her own thing and throwing in that flare when she can. It's just epic. Like I love her and everything that she does. And it was definitely like as a as a keen listener, trying to kind of get used to that. But I think she does phenomenal.
00:13:36
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Yeah, it's interesting to point out, I never really had the issue with her performance. I kind of appreciated that she was bringing something different. Yeah, Margot Robbie's obviously kind of alluding to, I believe the voice actress that debuted the character in Batman the Animated Series is Arlene Sorkin. I'm pretty sure about that, which is kind of interesting that her name is Harleen Quinzel and her name is Arlene.
00:14:01
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Just kind of the funny way that life works out sometimes. But yeah, I just, she, like you said, she brings so much passion and energy to it and knowing that her production company is behind a lot of what takes place in this show. It's clear that she has a lot of love for the characters.
00:14:17
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I continue to be impressed by what she does. And we'll have another Harley Quinn before too long just talking about, you know, the DC film stuff. I know Todd Phillips, Joker, is getting a sequel that's supposed to be a musical and Lady Gaga is actually going to give her turn as Harley Quinn in that. So there'll be more and more performances just like we've had from the Joker. I said, which series is that?
00:14:41
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Todd Phillips did the one with Joaquin Phoenix, the Oscar winning one from 2019 that has been announced to have a sequel that's going to be a musical. I can't remember the title off the top of my head, but it's something French. And yeah, Lady Gaga's Harley Quinn has been attached. I think it's literally just like French for the Joker 2 or something like that. Okay. Interesting.
00:15:05
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think that takes care of any non-spoiler thoughts, so we're just going to get into the thick of it now, starting with episode one titled Har-Livi.
Recap of Harley Quinn S3 Episode 1
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Here's a brief description of the episode.
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Two weeks after confessing their love for each other and escaping from Gordon, Harley and Ivy fly around the world on their unofficial honeymoon, the Eat Bang Kill Tour. Harley is overly excited about them being a couple while Ivy awkwardly tries to adjust to their relationship. While visiting Eden with an eye, a botanical paradise that Ivy created years ago, they learn that Gordon has got King Shark and Clayface to lure them out.
00:15:47
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As they return to Gotham City to break them out of Arkham, Harley bumps into Amanda Waller, who claims that Ivy has not done anything villainous for years. To prove her wrong, Harley kidnaps her and brings her to Eden. Suicide Squad member Plastique arrives and fights Harley and Ivy, destroying Eden in the process before eventually killing herself while Waller escapes.
00:16:05
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Harley apologizes to Ivy for the damages and offers to help Ivy in her long desired plan to terraform the world. Meanwhile, Clay Face auditions for James Gunn's new biopic about Thomas Wayne and gets his set job titled The Director's Chair, or As the Director's Chair. Concurrently, Gordon's mayoral campaign falters despite some help from Two-Face until the sitting mayor is killed by his bizarre series of accidents.
00:16:34
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All right. Sit on me, James Gunn. He's going to talk to my face. Yeah, yeah. For one, there was a lot to love about this episode, even with the opening, like watching dirty movies in the fortress of solitude just two weeks after the ending of season two with Jor-El voiced by Alfred Molina.
00:17:00
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voicing his disgust and displeasure that they're dishonoring the fortress of solitude like that. Oh, Kal-El said that? Let me give him a call. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I love when Supes finally came onto you. It's like, did you do an HBO Max subscription? I almost always do my free trial. Yes. Yes. I love the self-awareness. Why was a porno on HBO Max? They're getting a new service. Don't worry about it.
00:17:28
Speaker
Oh. Yeah, right. HBO Max with three X's? Yeah, yeah. And the film stars of that film were Kylie Kryptonite and Brittany Bionic, who comes to help out Harley and Ivy later on. But I loved how the cops were like, oh, I loved you in the drilling joke. Obviously, an allusion to the killing joke. Yeah, that was great. I facepalmed so hard on that.
00:17:57
Speaker
That's just that example of them upping the ante. They did not need to do an adult movie parody of this on screen, yet they did. Why? Why was that necessary? But it was also so, so funny. It's a fascinating recap. Yeah. Yeah. And we ended on that note, but I want to talk about it. The blood and gore of the mayor's death
00:18:23
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Oh yeah. I was just like, oh, oh, okay. We're here now. This is happening. Gordo's mayor.
00:18:30
Speaker
I always say that for the rats because something similar happened in Doom Patrol where it's like an accident killed the rat's brother and with subtitles the rat's just like chirping, being like, I will avenge my family and something. They had a little funeral and everything for the rat. I was like, oh god, are we visiting this again? Are they going to come back with a revenge plot? I want rat man. Give me a rat man. Exactly. Because his parents died. His own Alfred. Yeah.
00:18:54
Speaker
I want a through line where Ratman comes back to fight Gordo as the mayor because he thinks he killed his parents. I had to appreciate that series of bizarre events that led to the mayor's death felt very final destination-esque, but everything that happened was mentioned earlier when Gordon was having the debate with the
00:19:17
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the incumbent mayor and they mentioned kids driving buses pregnant rats on every corner and all of those things kind of uh collide in order to make his his death possible so i really appreciated the uh the call back there yeah i don't know what's going to happen now that he's mayor like that's a weird turn of events i guess yeah because he like regresses and goes back to his alcoholic state as the mayor uh you in trouble my dude
00:19:47
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Yeah, because it's also interesting because neither of you read the comics, correct?
00:19:53
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I did not. I read a synopsis, but I did not read the comics themselves. Yeah, because in the comics, he goes off at one point, like he is trying so hard to track down Harley and Ivy that he like destroys half the city in his conquest of trying to capture them again. And then finally is like, well, you know what, if I can't get him as a damn good cop, then I'm going to be the mayor. And like, that's how we got here. But it was just nice. It was like, oh,
00:20:21
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Now he has more power. This is going to be interesting. And Two-Face is backing him. What's that about? Yeah, and that whole series where he just was not getting Two-Face being Two-Faced, he's like, it's in my name. He's like, yeah, Harvey Dent. It's like, but it's my villain moniker. He's like, yeah, still not getting it. It's just so dumb. But it's great. Just take the bag off. Yeah.
00:20:48
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Uh, there was a great line from the mayor to Gordon where he says, you're what the French call less incompetence. And being a big fan of home alone, I recognize that line immediately. That's what Kevin's older sister says to him when he asks for help packing before the family leaves for their, their vacation. So great call out there or call back rather. That's.
00:21:12
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such a specific callback, I would never have picked up on that. That's amazing. I think they know their target demographic here. Yeah, this show is wildly intelligent for better or for worse. Yeah, like the entirety of stealing the invisible jet and then, you know, stealing the queen. Oh, yeah. Because that wasn't Elizabeth II. That wasn't this first episode, right?
00:21:39
Speaker
Yes, it was. It was the beginning of the Eat Bang Kill Tour. Damn bird spray. Oh, right. Really good wipers.
00:21:51
Speaker
There was a second there where I thought maybe they were gonna really go take that joke to the next level and tell us that it was eagerly from Peacemaker, but I'm glad they didn't go that route. Oh my gosh. I mean, it's an invisible jet. It has to happen all the time. Oh, for sure. Yeah. We mentioned the joke with the drilling joke, the joke with the drilling joke there, but I had to appreciate another great
00:22:16
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play on words with the title. The biopic about Thomas Wayne that Clayface is auditioning for was called A Hard Wayne's Gonna Fall, which is stupid, but great. I know I haven't been there for you, buddy, but tell your mom to put on her nicest pearls because we're going to the movies. Yes, yes. Good old Billy Bob Thornton.
00:22:43
Speaker
And then Batman just being like, it's like, why can't they just let that family grieve in peace? There's so many remakes of the story. We don't need to watch it again and again. Yeah, that was episode two, Batman's Meltdown, about that. But yeah, it was great. We'll get to that though. I guess my final thing about this episode is with the whole Suicide Squad montage and then Plastique coming in and she says,
00:23:09
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Amanda Waller asks her like, why did they send you? And she says, the PR has PR has the A team overthrowing a dictator in Central America, which if you've seen James Gunn's Suicide, the Suicide Squad, you know exactly what they're referring to there. Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:26
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I liked that a lot. Yeah, I found it funny, though, that the Suicide Squad that they showed was the Air Suicide Squad. So at first, I didn't also know if that's why they said the A-Team is there because it was Killer Croc, Enchantress, Captain Boomerang, Katana. And I think that was it. Yeah, and Deadshot. Yeah, I think Enchantress was clearly the one that was like lifted right out of Air's movie.
00:23:57
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And I think it was the same killer croc too, or was it the killer croc we've seen before?
00:24:03
Speaker
I don't know if we've seen him before, but he showed up later when in episode three, during the Villea Awards, I noticed him in the background. Well, I know he was in the pit in season two. That's why I'm trying to think, remember if it was the same design, because I think he was like knitting with Bane in the pit as he was a reformed. Oh, I forgot about that. Okay. Cool. Convict, but more Suicide Squad jokes, please.
00:24:27
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Yeah, yeah. And then I guess the final thing I'll say about the episodes, we kind of talked about Gordon stepping up to become the mayor now that the mayor was killed. Just extrapolating from what we saw in the trailer, at some point in time Joker's going to run against him for mayor. So I'll be curious to see how that makes him further unravel.
00:24:48
Speaker
Yeah, there seems to be two main villain plot lines and the mayor definitely seems to be one of them along with Ivy's terraforming plot. Yeah, and I could see Amanda Waller continuing on as like a background bad guy as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's pissed. She gives the double middle fingers as she flies away. That's not the last we've seen of Amanda Waller. I don't think Amanda Waller always comes back.
00:25:18
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Yes. When Harley found that last plant and she was about to pick it, I was like, why is Ivy not stopping her from taking the plant literally off of its roots? Yeah. Yeah. I think it just kind of goes to show that as the episode kind of described and we saw Harley's like all in on this relationship and kind of willing to like forego her own interests and what makes her really happy in terms of like destroying things in order to
00:25:48
Speaker
make Ivy happy, even like that she's like counting every single day and every anniversary. I think the episode ends with her like saying like 19 and a half days together. So I think as the episodes progress, we start to see a little more tenderness from Ivy. But at this point in time, I'm a little fearful that Harley's kind of almost doing the same thing that she did with the Joker. Obviously it's a more healthy relationship, but she seems to just want to like give her all like right off the bat. So we'll see where that goes.
00:26:18
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For sure. All right. Any final thoughts on that first episode, Harleivi? Now they're all jumbled together for me. Okay. Yeah. I'm already trying to go back through and I'm like, okay, I know what I need to say for episode two, but that this thing happened in two or three or we'll get there. This description will hopefully help me.
00:26:37
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Well, it just kind of speaks to, uh, what was brought up at the beginning with the non-spoilers. I kind of agreed with you, Andrew. I do find the show fairly bingeable. And like, I watched all three episodes in a row, um, last night. And then I rewatched them this afternoon in preparation for this podcast. And I just like thoroughly enjoyed them. Never really felt any fatigue. So I, I've enjoyed quite a bit. What's that? I fall asleep after two. Oh no. Yeah.
00:27:06
Speaker
You're a tired man. It's excusable. We won't tell- Is that an understatement? We won't tell Kaley Cuoco. He's an artist. He's working hard. All right. Well, let's move on to episode two. There's no Ivy and team.
00:27:27
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After Harley and Ivy reunite with their crew, Ivy shares her plan to transform Gotham City into an Eden-like paradise. Their first step is to get Amber containing prehistoric mosquitoes with the DNA of prehistoric plants from Gotham's Natural History Museum. Harley lets Ivy lead the crew this time, but she proves to be a terrible leader. After failing to create a serum from the DNA capable of bringing plants to life, Ivy chooses to work alone. Meanwhile, Nightwing returns to Gotham as well, but struggles to cooperate with the rest of the Bat family.
00:27:56
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Harley and Batgirl bring their respective teams to a newly opened escape room to foster camaraderie. But the room turns out to be a death trap set up by the Riddler. To get out alive, they all need to work together, during which Ivy and Nightwing both learn and evaluate teamwork. After successfully escaping, Ivy once again tries to create the serum, but her experiment destroys the crew's lair and causes Frank to grow legs and glow green. That was all episode two? Yeah.
00:28:27
Speaker
Huh. Now I'm really forgetting what happened in 3.
00:28:35
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. Well, these recaps might really be helping us then.
Recap of Harley Quinn S3 Episode 2
00:28:41
Speaker
Well, the line of how did Ivy plan become worse than a Harley plan was epic. And I love that they introduced Nightwing in this. His intro with everything was fantastic. I loved all the dialogue in the back. He seems smaller. Why does this why does this suit have boobs on it? Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think I.
00:29:02
Speaker
Knew or remember that Damien was in it or maybe I saw it in the trailer and just forgot it, but he was like, alright Nightwing member of the bat family you forgot dickhead dickhead Like there's the dick joke right off the bat. Oh Yes, honestly
00:29:24
Speaker
This is a very interesting version of Nightwing. It's obviously not the Nightwing we know and love from like Young Justice. It is a goth, edgy, very tongue in cheek like, I gotta get out of Batman Shadow. Why is your voice deeper? Don't worry about it. Like, those kind of things were so perfect. My only complaint
00:29:45
Speaker
I think they just didn't make enough jokes. Like there were so many more that I was expecting them to hit. And this is also partially from me reading the Harley Quinn comics. They made some jokes in those comics. They had an entire page dedicated to jokes about Nightwing's butt in the comics.
00:30:05
Speaker
And it was just over the top, like, continuing on. Zuhair's laughing because there's one where his butt is just out in the comics, and it literally happened to be when my girlfriend walked into the room that I was reading that panel. And I was like, is this what it looks like, I promise? It kind of is. It kind of is, but it isn't. So that's my only thing. Like, I was just expecting more. And I think we're going to get more Nightwing as the season goes on. It kind of seemed like he
00:30:33
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the way he made amends with Batgirl at the end. I don't know if we're going to get their romance or not, but it at least seems like he's going to kind of come back in some capacity. So I think there's more to be said with this character, but they're having a lot of fun with making the goth long hair swooping kind of jokes. And I'm, I'm just surprised they didn't give him the mullet at this point.
00:30:56
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It looked like in a couple of shots you could see some longer hair behind there. Was it a little longer in the back? I thought so. I thought so. It was more of a modern day mullet.
00:31:05
Speaker
Okay, yeah, I kind of agree with you there. But I loved everything about Nightwing. We've seen him portrayed so capably in the past that he's just kind of the perfect character to make that foil and kind of be a little more tongue-in-cheek with him and have some fun with him. And I thought Harvey Guillen, who has been popping up on What We Do in the Shadows, another show that I'm covering on Pandavision,
00:31:27
Speaker
quick little plug there for you. I thought he did a phenomenal job and really brought the humor. But the one thing that really stuck out to me about him was when they were gearing up to leave and do this mission, not only does he not like, he said like something to the extent like, I don't do discreet, which is like,
00:31:45
Speaker
That's exactly what Nightwing does, okay? Anyway, but right when they were leaving, and he called shotgun, but Damien got there first, and then they told him that he can go with the macaroni, and he's like Alfred dressed as the macaroni, like the closest thing out of all that. The closest thing I can compare him to is like pops from the regular show. He's just ridiculous looking, and then when Nightwing sees him and he's like the macaroni,
00:32:11
Speaker
Fuck the macaroni. Yeah, I wasn't ready for that. I love how the Bat Jet has like four seats, but the Batmobile only has two. Yes, yes. The macaroni is like, yo chariot awaits. And I had to do some research to find out if the macaroni was like an actual character. And it's inconclusive at this point in time. I didn't see any other references to the macaroni, but it's great to see Alfred
00:32:41
Speaker
Again, we know how capable and what an asset Alfred is to see, so to play with his character a little more loosely and have some fun with it was a lot of fun. Things like Lego Batman have obviously done that in the past, like showing him as more of like a enabler to Batman in some ways and trying to correct Batman from his somewhat, you know, more man-child tendencies, but I just really appreciated this funny take.
00:33:08
Speaker
This is from last season, but like when the projection of Harley and Ivy sleeping together came up and he like closed the curtains and then peaked and closed it again. Yeah. Now I need more capable Alfred in my life because some of my favorite comic panels that I've ever seen is where Bruce is like,
00:33:27
Speaker
Alfred, you almost killed him. And he's like, yeah, you have a thing against guns. I don't want me. It's like, what do you want me to do here? He's like, I'm taking all of your guns. And Alfred just looks at him and says, you will never find them all. Like, there's so many good things like that in comics. And I'm like, stop making him an old man. Make him the military. He's a Marine. He's special forces. Like he's been killing people before Wayne was even born. So
00:33:53
Speaker
That's great. Yeah, I love it. I want to see Andy circus do that in like the newer Batman movies. It would be so so good Mm-hmm. They need a decent portrayal in Gotham, but that's one that I've been like itching for Hmm. Yeah, Pennyworth is also a pretty good job of getting Alfred out there I've seen it. I haven't watched it yet. Okay, cool. I never watched an episode of Gotham. I just
00:34:22
Speaker
Wasn't all that interested in the buzz around. It was never compelling enough for me, but to those that, that love it. I'm glad it's there for you. I compare Gotham to like the CW shows the first two seasons great. After that you can just, you could just stop watching. Yeah. Try to shove in as much as you can. Not in the best way. Understood. Understood. Um, well, a couple of other things that stood out to me was when, um, Ivy was kind of first like trying to lay out her plan.
00:34:49
Speaker
and Harley was like amping her up so much. And she's like, you guys are gonna cream when you hear this. This'll make Lex Luthor shit his pants. And King Shark just has the great delivery of, and that man does not shit his pants for anything.
00:35:04
Speaker
There's been a lot of Luther tie-ins lately. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And we got more bane in this episode trying to like get back at Harley and Ivy and couldn't buy the bombs at Costco and they gave him to calendar man instead. But that was like a Luther warehouse. Like Luther Costco where you could buy bombs or groceries because there were normal people in there like buying groceries in the background in the dairy section while he's trying to check out with all of his bombs.
00:35:33
Speaker
You're going to give the bombs to Canada, man. What do you want to do with it?
00:35:38
Speaker
I have to say though, again, because I haven't gone over season one or two, this is my favorite Bane ever. And it's gotten to the point that when I read like regular Batman comics, in my head, it is this Bane's voice when Bane pops up. So it's still like the serious Bane, but I'm just reading the buff lines and the, oh, well, yes, I'm going to take you down, Batman. You're doing it the right way. I have a problem with my Young Justice rewatches.
00:36:08
Speaker
It's like, that's not the right voice. I love the fact that his idea of revenge is that he wants the very expensive pasta maker that he gave to Ivy and Kite Man as their wedding gift back. It's gauche to keep the gift. It's gauche to ask for it back.
00:36:24
Speaker
It's double gauche to ask for fashion. You dick stick. And then his narration, when the bank teller is going over all of his recent purchases, like, belly burger at 8.30 in the morning, belly burger again at 9 in the morning. And she's like, I'm just a bank teller, but are you depressed?
00:36:44
Speaker
She was just a bank teller, but was she telling the truth? Perhaps my identity had been stolen by myself. While you've got like jazzy music coming in in the background. And then at the end when their lair is destroyed and he finally got all the weaponry that he was trying to get his hands on and he watches it crumble right before him. I feel nothing.
00:37:06
Speaker
So I couldn't help but ask myself, do I need a therapist? It's like I really just feel bad for him. He's like, I didn't laugh too much on that. But the whole thing about Big Belly Burger's breakfast is phenomenal. Who would it go? And I like that touch because that's like a made up DC fast food chain. It was huge in the CW verse. And that's when I first heard of it too. So when it popped, I'm like, hey, good shout out.
00:37:32
Speaker
Yeah, it's in all the comments and stuff, too. Yeah, I remember it coming up on the Flash pretty frequently. Another standout for me was as a big fan of Jurassic Park, learning that Ivy's never seen Jurassic Park got a big gasp out of me. And much like Harley, Jurassic Park and Jeff Goldblum references make up at least 60% of my personality. So I'm with you, Harley. I'm with you. You crazy son of a bitches. You did it.
00:38:02
Speaker
Another great sequence was when they were planning for the mission and Ivy's got her binders that plan for every single scenario. But then Clayface comes out with his prediction about one of the guards picking up an extra shift so he can finally propose to his high school squeeze. He quit smoking ages ago, but still carries around a cigarette for the smell. Nervous about the proposal, he goes out for a whiff of the old confidence stick and spots them. She says that's never going to happen and sure enough. It's not in the binder for a reason.
00:38:31
Speaker
Yeah, sure enough it happens. I love stuff like that clay faces monologues like that are so funny because he gets so Into the characters that he wants to make up and you're like, why would this ever make sense? So the fact that they finally threw him a bone and it actually did make sense this time Yeah, and I yeah
00:38:50
Speaker
Completely off this topic, I have to ask, the did you guys look at the files that were on the back computer during the episode? Because there was a point I think it was when him and Robin were playing cards together. OK, back and forth. Yeah, there's four like file folders on the thing, and it's Robin's homework. Bat taxes, the air cut. Oh, and Batsuit nipple concepts.
00:39:21
Speaker
I did not see any of those, but I'm so glad that you did. That's wonderful. It's amazing to me that they're like, yeah, this Batman also thought about nipples on the suit. They should have given them to Nightwing. If you ever doubt how much DC listens, there you go.
00:39:38
Speaker
Right. Right. Well, and I think that's just the testament to this show. Like, it's a love letter, not a parody. Like, I think that's the best way to put it that they are really crunching down on they have read all the comics, they have seen all the shows, they have watched every meme on YouTube that pops up, like they have done their homework in such an impressive way. And it's so good. And also, I think they threw some comic spoilers in there with the one like,
00:40:04
Speaker
Nightwing couldn't stop vigilante from killing blockbuster. Like, Oh, right. I'm currently reading through the Nightwing comics and blockbuster is like the main villain in the ones that have come out since 2016. And I'm like, Wait, he's gonna die? Like, but it was just one of those moments where they really it shows how meticulous they are that it's something that most people would not have thought of as anything big. But if you happen to be a comic reader, you got that. But if you're not a comic reader, you still had all the other fun stuff that happened. It's just Yeah.
00:40:33
Speaker
So perfectly done. Yeah, yeah, I think that's very well said and I did notice that he mentioned Blockbuster because it made me think of like one of my few experiences with the character Blockbuster is from Young Justice, but I didn't realize that that's the character that they were tackling in the comics. So everything he said is clearly on point to the even to the fact that like people that don't read the comics but just watch the movies like
00:41:02
Speaker
you brought up that Batman's meltdown and the focus on the pearls. And now he's like, when Batman's having that meltdown and talking about, it's okay for Bruce Wayne to talk about it, but when everybody else starts to talk about it and they bring up crime alley, we know, and the pearls, the pearls fell. And as the life is extinguished from his mother's eyes, so too is his innocence. Clayface is just like, keep going, I'm using all of this.
00:41:28
Speaker
That also felt like one of those moments where you have to have the suspension of disbelief that the villains probably know who Batman is at this point, but they just don't care. They're like, yeah, Bruce Wayne, whatever. Just do the things like, yeah, like how many jokes that Joker probably knew for a really long time and then just didn't care because he only he was in love with Batman. He wasn't in love with Bruce Wayne. Like, sure.
00:41:56
Speaker
It was like also at the end of last season when the Justice League was staying together on the rooftop and he was going over like Wayne Industries insurance policy. And he was like, I just know him very well. Yeah, Secret Identities are apparently still a big thing over here because... Oh wait, no, that's not gonna talk about that. I think I know where you're going with it, but it's a natural segue unless you guys had anything else to say about episode two.
00:42:26
Speaker
Excuse my language, but I hate how much Nightwing was a little bitch in the escape room. Oh. He was like, why did he? He was like, I'm just going to let it kill me. I'm like, no, don't be like that. Like everything about you is so perfect right now. Why are you being like this?
00:42:39
Speaker
So yeah, it's kind of a little shit in this. But I do love when Harley and Batgirl were like, yeah, that commercial just really caught my attention. We thought it was great. That's why we're there. Yeah, you needed a Play-D too. The way they were just fan-coloring together was so adorable. I love that so much. I really, really like this Batgirl.
00:43:00
Speaker
Yeah, it was it was cool how they got separated in the escape room that everyone kind of got paired off with who they needed to get to and kind of order of importance and the emotional journey that they needed to take. So Nightwing and Poison Ivy being paired together like they both suffered from perfectionism. And that's something that I can certainly relate to. So.
00:43:20
Speaker
It's kind of what I talked about at the top. As funny as the show can be, for them to have that realization that I think it was a John Wooden quote about that Batman used in the past that you can only learn from failing sometimes that they realize they need to fail the chess game. And that's how they get out of the life or death situation. But yeah, I just really appreciated the fact that the show can kind of have that emotional through line at the same time as having all this fun and being irreverent.
00:43:49
Speaker
The last thing that I'm going to go off of is when Batgirl and Nightwing both swung at the same time and ran into each other and got tied up. I was like, there's the start of the romance right there. They were all close looking at each other. I'm calling right now. This is where it starts.
00:44:06
Speaker
Yeah, I'm actually glad you brought that moment up because it was one of the moments that the animation really impressed me too, because that gave Firefly the opportunity to kind of like go up the tower and light it up. And then of course, popcorn ends up emerging because it was a corn factory. But even before like the corn
00:44:24
Speaker
the popcorn was like the focus of the joke there. Like that was great animation, like really well done and seeing the tower explode and the effect of the explosion was all very, very well animated. So as funny as it is, it's still bringing a certain level of talent and polish to it that I just gotta admire. I don't remember what Batman said to Damien, but I just remember it being really funny.
00:44:51
Speaker
Yeah, no, on the topic that you even mentioned at the beginning, like we've always seen Nightwing as so capable. So to kind of get him as this little bit more whiny side is interesting. They still didn't cut out how good of a fighter he was and an acrobat he was like the
00:45:06
Speaker
beauty in which and I think that's why I love Nightwing so much is his fighting style is so acrobatic because he was raised as an acrobat. It's just so cool to see the way that they did him flipping around and swinging around the tower with his two sticks that I can't remember. Would you just call him batons? Yeah, okay. In my head, there was a much better
00:45:30
Speaker
fighting name for them, but whatever. He they did a really good job of still showing like, yeah, he complains, but he was still Nightwing. He still can fight. He still was doing the good things, even if he gets in his own way or Batgirl's way. Yeah, yeah, if you were to like, design Robin, have four versions of them that look exactly the same, but give them the fighting styles of each one, like Dick Grayson would definitely stand out the most from all three, all four. Hmm.
00:46:01
Speaker
Yeah, I think the only other one would maybe be Damien and the way that he generally fights with a sword and is much more... Yeah, if you take all weapons aside, like literally just hand-to-hand combat, Dick Grayson would definitely stand out easily. Sure. And the other thing, you'd have to like, kind of like, narrow your eyes a little bit. I think that's fair. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:21
Speaker
I will have to say though, you bringing up the Robins and the fact that there are four of them just reminded me that Clayface had that admission that he's still credited as Clayface number four on IMDB, and he's trying to rectify that, so poor Clayface. Keep at it, buddy. We believe in you. But also, what are the other Clayfaces? True. I know how I want to start episode three now. You and I are on the same page of, hmm, I wonder how many Robins there are.
00:46:49
Speaker
Go.
Recap of Harley Quinn S3 Episode 3
00:46:50
Speaker
Should I just say my thing and then do the synopsis? Yeah, go for it. Oh, my God. When they were doing the Villies and the fact that Jason Todd was being beat to death was just a bit and he just got up with a crowbar and his bloody face was just like singing and dancing. I'm like, Joker, you sick bastard. No, I hated that so much. I was like, ah, that hurts. That hurts my soul so much. I can't believe they went there. It was I don't like it too dark.
00:47:20
Speaker
No, I want to know how they got permission to do Joker beating with a crowbar. Like, how do you... That's crazy. It's the worst kept secret in DC at this point is that Jason Dodd dies. I don't like it. Yeah, yeah. I have to admit, it got a good laugh out of me.
00:47:42
Speaker
Yeah, no, that third episode, that was when you could tell they weren't pulling any punches. Like, I don't know, doing that. And then the other the other scene we'll get to that is like, they went there. Okay. Hmm. Okay. But I'll let you give the synopsis before we go too deep.
00:48:01
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. So episode three was titled the 83rd Annual Ville Awards, and the description follows as such. Following their lair's destruction, the crew moves into Catwoman's old apartment. Harley learns that she and Ivy have been nominated for Best Couple at the 83rd Annual Ville Awards, which she has always won with Joker. Despite not liking the award ceremony, Ivy accompanies Harley, but becomes more uncomfortable when she learns that they are seated next to Kite Man and his new girlfriend, Golden Glider.
00:48:31
Speaker
Meanwhile, Clayface impersonates Gunn to meet Billy Bob Thornton, who is playing Thomas Wayne in the new film. Thornton comes to appreciate Clayface's acting skills and shape-shifting abilities, but he is accidentally killed by Catwoman's tiger. So Clayface takes his place in the film. At the ceremony, Harley tries to peek at the winner's list by fighting the android guarding it, while Ivy bonds with Glider over their social anxiety. After their talk, Ivy realizes she should have been more supportive of Harley.
00:48:57
Speaker
who with Kite Man's help realizes that Ivy's love is a reward in itself. They leave the ceremony despite turning out to be the winners, so Joker takes their award for himself. I love Golden Glider so much. Everything about her design and the voice and just her bubbly attitude and just everything about her is so perfect.
00:49:17
Speaker
Yeah, they endeared you to her immediately. Like before I even put the pieces together as to who it was as a character, I was just like, I love this. This might even be someone totally original and I don't care. And then when they said, oh, this is this version of Golden Glider, I knew who it was. But that was just a really, really awesome take on the character. And then just also the whole like how good of a guy Kite Man was revelation that we got. That was also so wholesome and wonderful.
00:49:44
Speaker
Yeah, I had just woken up for my naps and my critical thinking didn't get that far.
00:49:50
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I really enjoyed the character of Golden Glider. And my only exposure to the character prior was on the CW shows. I think it was the Flash first and foremost that she was revealed to be Leonard Snart, Captain Cold's sister. I don't know if that is true in the comics, but I do remember her name being Lisa Snart. So to hear that her first name's Lisa in this kind of leads me to believe that that might be the case. But at any rate, she seems like an absolutely wonderful, more appropriate match for Kite Man.
00:50:19
Speaker
than Ivy ever was, so I'm happy that a total doofus and goofball-like kite man, even though it's obvious that he cares and is well-intentioned, that he can find somebody that he's paired with so well. I enjoyed it.
00:50:36
Speaker
Do you guys know the meme where it's like the girl that you're interested, her brother, her dad, her ex, and then you? I would love to see that with Golden Rider and Captain Cold and Commander Cold and Kite Man. Nice. Well, I'll get to work after this.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah, as far as the guest cast go, James Gunn showed up in the first episode, but I really...
00:51:08
Speaker
It's incredible to me the fact that James Gunn is so willing to have fun with DC and comic book properties at large that he's willing to voice himself on the show and Billy Bob Thornton. Billy Bob Thornton is an A-class actor and he actually voiced himself on the show. I love Billy Bob Thornton. He's one of my favorite actors. He's great in that first season of Fargo, my favorite season of Fargo. When he got the text saying that Ryan Reynolds is asking again if he could just please try his gin,
00:51:37
Speaker
I believe it's aviation or aviator gin. Aviation. Aviation gin. Yeah, that was hilarious. He was like, hell no. And it's just funny knowing how many business avenues Ryan Reynolds is currently pursuing, because I keep getting the Mint Mobile ads whenever I listen to podcasts. So I actually did look at MintMobile.com recently, and it seems like a great deal, but now I've been getting the emails every day. So calm down, Ryan Reynolds.
00:52:03
Speaker
Well, that's his whole thing. He doesn't pay for marketing. So as soon as you do word of mouth things, he's sending you emails. It's, he's a smart businessman. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, for sure. Totally random. But I saw a trailer for a documentary the other day where apparently he owns a football club in the UK now too. He's trying to like, revamp that up for the city. Like, that's very impressive. Not surprised at all.
00:52:30
Speaker
I mean, I knew he was taking a break from acting, but I didn't I didn't know this was going to be what his break was. Yeah, it's a huge business venture. It's him and the guy from Always Sunny. Charlie Day. Is that his name? I know him more from no, not Charlie Day. Is he Mac? Is he Charlie? Is he Glenn? I never watched the show, but I know him from Mythic Quest, but I know people don't watch it. Oh, it's Mac. It's Mac. Yeah, Rob, Mike, Mikel, Mikel Henny.
00:52:57
Speaker
Yes. That makes sense. Yeah. So both of them like partnered up to buy that team and it's interesting. Like I definitely want to watch that. Yeah. Something to keep an eye on. Well, on the subject of James Gunn and Billy Bob Thornton's interactions, I loved James Gunn's line when Billy Bob was saying, you know, the
00:53:21
Speaker
The script is just not humming. The dialogue's not humming for me. And then James Gunn says, it's like Warner Brothers told me when I was writing the Scooby-Doo movie. It's all about the edit, which is just such wonderful shade thrown at Warner Brothers. And Warner Brothers endorsed this cartoon. And they're just willing to take those lumps from James Gunn. I love it so much. It's great. Now they know that every mistake that they make is just gold for the show. And they're totally fine with it.
00:53:49
Speaker
Yeah. And I really think that's why DC is starting to like eclipse Marvel to be a little bit is the fact that they're willing to acknowledge their mistakes because they have them, whereas like Marvel doesn't really have mistakes. And when they do, they just kind of erase them. So it is that fun, like redeeming quality of we know it's not all great. Let's talk about the bat nipples. That was an idea we had a while back, but it's really funny now. So it's it's all that stuff for sure. And
00:54:16
Speaker
getting that weird reminder that James Gunn was involved in the Scooby-Doo movie was also like, what? Hang on. Huh? Yeah. I haven't seen too much James Gunn stuff. So when he said, um, like, Oh, you don't keep, you read the wrong IMDB cause Sean Gunn's the one that acts. James never does. And I was like, are you going to mention guardians? There's no way. I don't know. I'm not sure I'm going to mention guardians right now. And now they did it. I was like, ah, it's like, Ooh, this is really going to be a test of how ballsy they are.
00:54:45
Speaker
Well, they really harped on his appearance in Gilmore Girls, which is a show that I watched maybe like one or two episodes of. Well, my sister was probably watching it, but it's between that and Sex and the City reference and the previous episode with Bane having bought that Sarah Jessica Parker dress. Like somebody on the writing staff like really loved like these female driven like dramaties and from the like mid 2000s. And I just appreciate the references even if I am not the biggest fans of those properties.
00:55:16
Speaker
It's good stuff. I'm glad it appeals to such a wide audience. Between the Home Alone references and those references, there's something for everybody. If you know, you know. And now you know. Kevin Spacey being listed as a guest with other villains, I thought was excellent.
00:55:38
Speaker
Yeah, and the Villies were fun, like getting the random villains, including cock and clock King were just like, I love that they're not willing to pull the punches because seeing calendar man, that was already fun enough at the previous episode. So to then just have all the random
00:55:57
Speaker
a B and you know D list villains in one room that it was a lot of fun to have something like that and the fact that they went back to the goofy clock face clock King and didn't do because walking showed up in arrow I think and he was just a person that still had the powers of clock King but just like clocks so to have the clock face actually come back and then have the weird well
00:56:20
Speaker
what happens when he cries oh the arms on his face start running and he doesn't know what time it is and they can't kiss it was just perfect little joke after joke of like the anatomy of this doesn't make sense but we're gonna do it anyway yes favorite was when he was like it turns out that the hardest riddle I had to solve was my sexuality and it happened just in time and I'm like no
00:56:45
Speaker
I as awful. Well, it seems like, you know, you did a good point if like the audience like hates it. Like I know they feel the fuel just from my hate about. And if it was anyone else besides this version of the Riddler, it wouldn't have worked. But the I don't know the voice actor's name off the top of my head, but the guy who plays Jim Rache, Jim Rache. Yes. And he was the dean in community.
00:57:13
Speaker
And it's just so fitting the way they have written this Riddler and him. It just works so, so well. And they even threw in the fact that he was the Dean of the Riddler College as well, which I love. So now he delivers those lines so perfectly that you don't question how bizarre this take on the flamboyancy of Riddler is. Yeah, for sure.
00:57:39
Speaker
Yeah, and it's kind of a good point to bring it up with Clock King and the Riddler's relationship there. As I was kind of doing some research on the show, I noticed that it actually won back when the first season debuted, or maybe the second season, 2019. I think it was the first season, but it won some GLAD, G-L-A-A-D awards, actually. So it's just worth mentioning that this show is doing the representation, but not really holding a lantern to it.
00:58:07
Speaker
Harley and Ivy's relationship seems completely natural, as does Clock King and the Riddler's. They're able to have those jokes and poke fun at it, but it's never done maliciously. It's done with a lot of respect, I would say. It's an irreverent show, but it's still treating these relationships and these characters.
00:58:29
Speaker
with some respect and dignity while it's also able to pull the rug out from under them. And I just, I think it's really well done. Yeah, I think it was really well shown in the fact that this was the first time we found out that this version of the Riddler is gay, that they didn't
00:58:44
Speaker
joke at it in the other seasons it didn't come up it was just naturally this character and then when it happened they didn't do this big oh the two couples that we have that are nominated as best couple both happen to be LGBT it was just right oh no Riddler and Clock King or the other two up and I agree with you it felt natural it was just
00:59:04
Speaker
Yeah, these two very much so are enjoying being together as any couple would be didn't miss a beat didn't say anything. And like they were an oddly cute couple. It was for not knowing how a clock of boats I was like, you could tell he likes him. And it's so funny. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly how it should be. That's one things I was credited arrow and flash for was just like, we just casually said, Oh, my husband or
00:59:30
Speaker
you know, my girlfriend, this and that. And it was just, oh yeah, that's exactly how our society is supposed to be. But I'm not going to dwell too much into that. I just had to say it once. Well, on the subject of representation, Catwoman's acceptance speech. Woo hoo. Oh my God. That was so, so good. Yeah. But like she didn't, we talked about not pulling back any punches. She didn't pull any punches and she let those claws go.
00:59:57
Speaker
But the real moment I realized like not pulling any punches was also bringing Black Manta into the conversation and like how underappreciated he is in DC in general. And then them even kind of pulling the joke of I didn't even know he was black. Like the fact that they don't show it enough of him without the big Manta head on to acknowledge, hey, this is a thing. Also DC has the weird thing of naming black characters with a black
01:00:25
Speaker
title, which also just makes things confusing because you have Black Lightning, Black Manta, Black Adam. So it's a weird trope, but I loved how good that speech was. And the fact that no one said anything back to her that she just dropped the mic and walked out was like, yes, kill it right there.
01:00:46
Speaker
Yeah, just speaking of Catwoman, I can't help, but it makes me think about back at the beginning of the episode when she and Ivy were kind of speaking and Ivy was like, you got a dish girl. Tell me about this guy. What's his butt like? Is he cool? And she's just like, oh, he's fine. And then it pans out where Batman's massaging her feet and he's like, shall I continue?
01:01:07
Speaker
She's like, ah, it's not worth it. So knowing where that relationship goes in the comics, I got a great kick out of that. But do you know the entire story behind that scene?
01:01:17
Speaker
that scene in particular? Was there a foot massage in the comics? No, no. Well, I feel like there's some illusions with Batman in the feet that like just bring up some weird conversation. But there was a well, and there is a logical through path here. And this obviously gets a little not safe for work, just as a warning for people listening. But we've kind of been a little raunchy this episode with the show. When I first wrote season three, there was supposed to be a scene in which
01:01:47
Speaker
Batman was giving oral sex to Catwoman. And there was a huge controversy. DC pulled the plug. Warner Brothers was like, you can't do that. That's not what Batman does, which is a bad line to say. That's not what Batman does. But it was a huge thing. And everyone is 90% sure they replaced that scene with Batman being about Catwoman's feet.
01:02:12
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And it's just an even weirder like so they took it in this direction. That's how we're going to solve this problem. But yeah. Yeah. The minute I saw that, I had to pause because I was laughing so hard. I was like, they did not just like replace that with this instead. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about in the moment after killing joke, like it's really hard to phase me on Batman doing things like that. So.
01:02:40
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It was funny, but it didn't like throw me off in that sense. It just got me off because I knew what should have been there. That was why I was like, oh, we did this instead. OK, guys. I don't think I knew that, but like I I guess I wondered which of the two was happening because.
01:02:57
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I thought it was like he was just going down and then once I noticed like the only thing she wasn't wearing was socks was like, is this just a weird foot rub or toe sucking or okay. I'm not going to think too hard on this, but it's okay.
01:03:15
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And that's exactly it. If the controversy wasn't there, or not controversy, if they hadn't announced that the plug was pulled on that months and months ago, I wouldn't have thought twice about that scene. I would have just been like, okay, that's a little off, but knowing the backstory to it is just really funny. No, I didn't know that and my head went in both directions anyways.
01:03:37
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Yeah, likewise, I didn't catch it in the moment. I remember that story. And as you started to describe it, I immediately knew what you were talking about the whole social media blow up there. But I do think visually, they kind of like, led you to believe that when he said, shall I continue? That's kind of where it was going, you know, given the position of her thighs and his head, like,
01:03:54
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And kind of went there anyway, but I completely forgot about the controversy with DC saying Batman doesn't do that and it's like Everybody came out of the woodwork to say I think Batman definitely does do that Me and my friends have been using the line. That's what heroes do ever
01:04:13
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Ever since that controversy came out, it was just like, oh, that's what heroes do. Don't worry about it. He's a playboy for a reason. Yeah. But the fact that Catwoman turned him down was also just so funny that she's so petty in this show compared to the other versions. She's always usually the tease, but just how not about anything she is. It's like, oh, tell me about the new man.
01:04:39
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He's on, right? Like, no, you were dating Playboy billionaire Bruce Wayne, like, and he's got to be ripped. He's fighting back hard out there. So like, it can't be all that bad. He must have lost his Bruce Wayne touch. He's got a little more into the Batman part. Let's discover himself again. Well, it's always the question, which one is the mask, Batman or Bruce Wayne?
01:05:04
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I mean, I stand by Bruce Wayne died in the alley that night and he's just an alter ego. Fair enough. Fair enough. Well, changing gears a little bit here. I found myself relating to Harley a lot within these first three episodes, especially with the Jurassic Park stuff we brought up earlier.
01:05:25
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when she was fighting the android in the bathroom and they crash into one of the stalls. And she's like, beat it, invisible kid. And he's like, I'm imperceptible man. And he darts and she says, he didn't wash his hands. I am 100% with you, Harley. I will shame anyone that I see, not wash their hands and leave the restroom. I remember when I was growing up and in church, a guy did that. And I told everyone, do not shake hands with this man. He does not wash his hands. Actually, he uses the bathroom. Yeah.
01:05:53
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Not cool. Not cool. When you said that you related to Harley, my head went to like just the dire urge to wanting to beat the shit out of stupid people. But yeah, that too. You also different mindsets there. You talked about that scene in the bathroom and I loved her moment of like after she threw the first punch at him, she's like, wait, do Androids pee? Like once we figured out he was an Android, it was like, wait, why are you at a urinal? You leaking oil? What's happening here? Yeah.
01:06:21
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Wasn't oil about lactating later? Yeah. Yeah. Cause I wondered, I was like, is this just a comic that I'm not, or a comic book character I'm not familiar with that's like an Android that runs on milk somehow? Because yeah, even though oil did look like rather milky, I was wondering what was going on there. I was half expecting it to be like a Luther bot or something. I'm really surprised you didn't get Luther in the Villies at all. Right. Well, saving face thing.
01:06:47
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Giancarlo Esposito is a very busy man, playing villains on pretty much every property these days. So hopefully he'll show up in the latter half of the season. We shall see. Yeah. And I mean, at the same time, we didn't really need him because Joker's showmanship is always completely off the charts, the way they were like, I hate the dancers, but they're really good, like that he had Harley dancers. It was a lot of fun. Like Joker do. Like Joker do.
01:07:18
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Yeah. All right. Any final thoughts on the first three episodes of Harley Quinn season three? No, it was a lot of fun for these first three episodes. And as you say the words first three episodes, do we know how many we're getting? At this time, we're told that we're getting 10 episodes. OK. So I don't know if more will be revealed later, but at this time, it's a solid 10 at least. All right.
01:07:48
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Seven more weeks of fun, let's go. Hell yeah. The other thing I noticed when I was doing some research for the show is that they're working on a spin-off series for Kite Man and Golden Glider called the Noonan.
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01:08:02
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So I guess Kite Man's name is Chuck Noonan. That's why they're calling it the Noonan. So I guess the whole team's coming back for that one. It'll be interesting to see how that series develops.
01:08:15
Speaker
Interesting because Kite Man is like a fun side character, but I don't know if he's more than a fun side character. I feel like I want to just feel really sad for him. Like I already do, but I feel like exceptionally sad. I do think they're gonna do it very redeemably. I think Golden Glider is gonna point him in a good direction. They're gonna, you know, take him on a... He's gonna evolve and become Glider Man.
01:08:42
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Perhaps I could totally see it going in kind of the directions. Your hair's thinking, though, too. It might be the Bojack Horseman of the DC universe, where we're just like brokenhearted for this guy pretty regularly.
01:08:53
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Yeah, I but I'm not gonna spoil anything here, but I was pulling up like how many episodes we had and stuff and I just saw the name of the next episode. And it's something that happened in the trailer. I'm just, I'm not ready for what we're gonna have to talk about next week already. Oh, like it. Okay, this show is obviously very raunchy. We had plenty of death. We had plenty of sex stuff to talk about. But like,
01:09:16
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Sure, just the title of the next episode alone, which I'm not gonna spoil for anyone, because I didn't want to know it. But now that I see it, I'm like, Oh, we're in for a doozy next week. So be ready for that one, folks. Prepare yourselves prepare yourselves. All right, well, this has been a lot of fun. We are a little over an hour. So it's a good time to kind of call it I will open the floor up to you guys to let the people know what is going on in your neck of the woods what you got.
01:09:46
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In regards to upcoming content, Scootz already talked about the DC Super Pets, hopefully we can watch that soon and come together to chat about it. But on top of that Dragon Ball Super Super Heroes is coming out in a couple of weeks, so definitely going to try to get some more anime coverage back up on here.
01:10:05
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And in terms of guests, I finally got invited to Captain Game Show with, hosted by John Irons. Was a super fun time, had a couple other pandas on there. So please check that out. And yeah, I'm trying to keep things a little more quiet on my end. So that's all I got for you today. Sounds good. We'll look forward to that entry of Captain Game Show. And hopefully it's just a matter of time before we have John Irons himself on the show.
01:10:33
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Yeah, everywhere you find your podcasts, check them out on social media too.
01:10:37
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And speaking of social media, that's my perfect time to come in and say, as always, follow us on all of our socials. Twitter is animationdelib1. Instagram and Facebook are just animation deliberation. That's where I'm putting up all of our content, announcements for every episode, great way to share to your friends if you want to do anything like that. And as of right now, that's all I have going on because I agree. I'm trying to keep things quiet for now, but there are some things coming down the pipeline as well.
01:11:06
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we're getting excited for more content to come. We're in that kind of weird lull right now where there's not a lot going on, and I'm happy about it. There's no movies, no Marvel shows, no Star Wars shows. I could just focus on this and have it be mindless, and it's great. Oh, I'm playing catch-up right now, so I envy you, my friend. Enjoy it while it lasts. The content is a-coming. Once I get a job, I'm sure things will totally change at that point. Of course. Yeah, that's all from me. Jay Scottie, what do you have going on?
01:11:35
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Yeah, I just wanted to kind of piggyback off of the social media call there. Last week on our coverage of Comic-Con 2022, San Diego Comic-Con 2022, we discussed What If Season 2? And Andrew had a great prompt that I'd like to reiterate here. If you have an idea for a What If scenario, please let us know what you're thinking on any of our social medias. Animation Deliberation Podcast at gmail.com is a great place to send it. You can even send it as an audio file if you choose.
01:12:02
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And also ask, what else are you watching? What are we not talking about that you're watching and enjoying? Just let us know. I for one, one that I haven't brought up is that Primal season two also on HBO Max has debuted its first three episodes. And that's a show that I always get a lot of enjoyment out of. Hopefully there's an opportunity to cover it on this show at some point in time, but can't make any promises right now. Beyond that, I mentioned with Harvey Guillen voicing Nightwing. He is currently starring in
01:12:30
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FX on Hulu's What We Do in the Shadows, which is airing its fourth season currently, and that's a lot of fun to cover with Karen Hufstetlert on Pandavision, so check that out wherever you get your podcast. And that's it for me. So as always, thanks so much for tuning in. And lastly, before I forget, speaking of sending in questions, we have a date for the concert master of Bob Berger's.
01:12:55
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So if there's any questions that you have about music in cinema or TV or sound effects or anything of that sort, feel free to send it our way to the animation deliberation podcast at gmod.com so that we can ask on your behalf. Right on. Well, one more time. Thanks for tuning in. Stay well. And until our fun episode next week, Muscle Muscle.
01:13:22
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