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Ep 35 - Tactics Tuesday, a real 'Edu'cation!
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James and Marley discuss Forests tactics and success after 1/4 of the season is over as well as a possible new face for the Forest faithful.
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Introduction and Nottingham Forest's Victory
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Every time we play that, I feel like Michael McIntyre should be coming out of the corner of the room, you know, spinning round as we all kind of dance in our seats, um like we're on the wheel. and But welcome back, everyone. This is Forest Daily on GSPN. um I'm James, and I've got with with me Marley tonight, fresh from the city ground, the world's famous city ground, where he witnessed an absolute de demolition of West Ham.
Forest's Improvement and Changing Perceptions
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Marley, how was the game?
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Marley
It was a brilliant forest, dismantling a 10 man, could have been 8 man West Ham. And honestly, I don't think I've seen a demolition job like that since we beat 1Z, 5-1 at City Ground. I don't think I've been to a demolition job like that since, oh, you'll have to have been what? When we beat Leicester 4-1?
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Well, yeah. and Wow. Yeah. You know what?
Forest's Unexpected League Rise
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It was almost thinking to my head was coming of age, but it's not, you know, every game I keep saying this, you know, this is the, we've made this point now. We've made that point because West Ham last season, we'd have been looking and thinking, oh, West Ham at home at the city ground, a draw maybe would be a good result, a score draw.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Um, cause we know they're going to score. They've got good players. Um, but then when you look at the history of it, I'm talking rubbish because they don't score. What is it? Four games. Now they haven't scored at the sea ground.
00:01:46
Marley
uh i think so but it's the third game in the row in the premier league that they haven't scored the city ground they don't know that for a fact and i remember i think it was 10 years ago now we've uh we beat them 5-0 at the city ground in the fa cup when we were championship they were premier league
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah. It was three before that game. So and I think, yeah. Yeah.
Strategic Gameplay and Defense
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Global Sports Podcast Network
And but but those teams and this evening, so it's it's Monday evening, guys. This will go out on Tuesday for Tactics Tuesday. But, you know, not to ruin the magic. It's pre-recorded. But I came in tonight, been out ah to work, came in about eight, half past eight. And I walked into the the back room where my lads has got the football on and it's full in Brentford.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
And I said to him, Oh, what's the score? And he just turned around to me. He said, uh, it's still no, but who cares? Yeah. Who cares? Because they're below us now. Who cares what full and Brentford are doing because their their score at this point in the season where we are in the table, all that can crack off below us, um you know, as long as we keep performing. And it was just such a weird feeling because last season, Fulham Brentford, you'd have been like, oh, let's look where they are in the table. Can we catch them?
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Marley
Exactly it's like this season so far and The games that last season I've been watching praying the hour oh that the result is good for us has come on Then I've just not looked up for my Xbox Yeah, I've been watching Chelsea against Man United begging for a Man United win so we stay in the Champions League positions
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Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah yeah yeah i was last night i was i was so disappointed when chelsea scored again like after just a couple of minutes no um
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Marley
On the other hand, the results on yesterday do mean that we are third for an entire a week.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
And you know what, a couple of weeks ago when we hit fifth, they were all saying, Oh, this will be the high point for forest this season. And I'm not saying we're going to go past third. Okay. Because that's, you know, we're talking proper nosebleed territory going up that high, but it's maintaining
Squad Depth and Key Contributions
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it. And I think we can, I genuinely think we can maintain this because we have not been.
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having lucky games, it's not a, you know, you got a couple of decisions go your way. We've been absolutely battering teams, you know, and yeah, like Leicester, I know it's Leicester, you know, whatever, um but it could have been 7-1, 7-0, whatever.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
West Ham, again, could have been six or seven. you know Some of the draws at the beginning of the season just shouldn't have been. We were still we were still getting, I think, that match sharpness, because you can see, as the results have gone, there were a lot of draws interspersed with the wins and then that loss. But then since then, we just kicked on.
00:04:48
Marley
We have been playing really, really well. And it doesn't feel like they're sort of playing really, really well, which is like, hang on a minute, we've got momentum. It feels like they're playing really, really well, which is like something's clicked behind the scenes. We've added to players which we needed to add to change things. And all of a sudden we are a proper football club and we have the performances to back it. It is quality players rather than just moments of quality among a horror show.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, Marley, I want to bring on a guest for a moment because he's been mentioned in a few pods in the last couple of weeks and he's crawling across the room towards me as if he
Fan Reactions and Enthusiasm
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wants to be quiet.
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But I want to ask him what he thinks ah about the West Ham game and ah and what this is. This is my son, Alfie. um What did you think about the West Ham game?
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Marley
I'll say.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
We smashed them like a lot. And are we going to maintain third this season? Um, maybe not, maybe like six. Yeah. Yeah. Who do you want to spend your Thursday nights with? Callum Hudson and I. Where? Um, Copenhagen, Leverkusen and Marseille. Fantastic. Yeah. All right.
Standout Players of the Season
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Get your school bag. Off you go. Bye. There you go. From the, uh, from the mouth of children. Um, I love that song.
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Copa, hey, go back and love it.
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Marley
it's such a good song and the thing is he's saying i don't know maybe like six as if it's like a disappointment whereas if you told me for i should finish six at the beginning of this season i would have told you to go back to the insane asylum i
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Who's not Marseille?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. It's, it's.
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Marley
was being told to go to the insane asylum i put was four not four sorry sorry i was told to go back to the insane asylum for putting was 14
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, no, absolutely. I was, I was genuinely thinking maybe just, um, you know, avoiding a relegation battle, finishing 15th, 16th, you know, but being comfortably outside the relegation zone by five or six points by the game 35 or something like that would have been an achievement this season and just not getting involved in it.
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and But this has just come out of nowhere, isn't it? And in in some of the reading that I've been doing is some of the. um Looking at the reviews of Nuno's tactics, we seem to be just we're not playing long ball, but we've got a 1990 striker up front who just does the job. We've surrounded him with speed.
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and then we've we've taken Cooper's low block and we've just shifted it out 25-30 yards not into a high block but a mid block so that we're top for giving the opposition possession in our defensive third but then we're also top for like um not giving the opposition any xg and shots so it's absolutely crazy it's that defense that defense is is the foundation on which this is whole seasons being built at the moment yeah yeah
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Marley
Exactly. We're not, we're not trying to be anything. We're not. We're just trying to play to our strengths. We, we know we've got a very good defense and we know that if we play to that strength, we, we just focus on stopping teams, scoring the goals. We know the goals will come cause we've got the quality in attack. So all we need to do is focus on our strength, which is our defending that will get you far. It always will.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
OK, so we're 10 games in. Let's say we're a quarter of the way through the season now, Marley. I don't want a ah a person of the match man of the match from the other day. and The home team man of the match was given to Chris Wood. um I don't know who would have given it to. I think there was lots of standout players. um If you've got one right now, what what were they saying in the stands? I will ask you.
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Marley
uh in the stands it was uh more of a four of 20 out of 20 to every single player 20 out of 10 to every single player um a lot of the plaudits were going to Gibbs White because first game back from a suspension officially but he has been carrying a knot obviously the whole you can give praise to Moreno for the getting behind and playing the crossing Chris Wood for the header finding the net
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Global Sports Podcast Network
and Yeah, I think it was really difficult wasn't it?
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Marley
But the chance came from a really good, incisive ball out wide from Gibbs White to Moreno. That's what that chance came from. And I guarantee we could have had more if Gibbs White had been fit to stay on the pitch.
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Marley
Obviously, Colby could return him, bre brought on Elliot Anderson, which wasn't...
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep.
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Marley
That's another thing, by the way. Think of our squad depth. The players we're bringing off a bench would start for the teams in the position we were last season.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
no I know and Dominguez, like you were saying a couple of pods ago, he has stepped up massively. I was watching him on Saturday and I was just like, how do we take him out of the team?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
How do we not?
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Marley
This is just one of those where I sit back and say, I told you so.
Team Dynamics and Tactical Depth
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, no, well done. ah but they at every player that started that game on Saturday, I have to think to myself, how do we take them out of the team to bring Anderson in, to bring, to give Jota more time, to give Sosa some more time?
00:10:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because a lot of our players that are on the bench will benefit from more time on the pitch. And I think that's why Nuno brings them on as the standard subs at the minute, you know, when you get to that point in the game and everyone's getting tired, let's bring on Jota and Sosa because they've got
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Marley
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
energy to burn, you know.
00:10:37
Marley
Exactly, and it feels like one of the ways we guarantee we play well, which this is a way to always guarantee doing well, everyone has a job, everyone has a role to play and everyone knows it.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:10:50
Marley
Even the players, if people might look at and think they're not as good, they're the thorn in the shiny golden crown, they're not because
00:10:59
Marley
It's their job to do what they're doing. An example, people say they're disappointed with Alanga because all he's doing is running. He's not producing an end product this season. But I think that's what his job is.
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Marley
I think his job is to cause chaos. Use his pace, which he has in abundance, to cause chaos in that back line. Make them think, oh my God, we cannot cope with his pace. And then the hoods and the doy gives White and Wood to create the chance.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
to be
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Marley
He's just occupying that defensive of his pace.
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:29
Marley
And it is working.
00:11:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
and But that's what, yeah, that's why, that's why Chris would score in as well, because of that pace around him, because they're putting those balls in, they're not quitting inside and having to do it on their own anymore.
00:11:30
Marley
That pace got the red card.
00:11:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
you know, they're they're playing in a way that Chris Wood, yeah, he's holding it up in the midfield and and Chris Wood's got enough pace that when we break and you've got a Langer or Hudson or Doy sprinting down the wings and then coming in towards the box for the cutback, Chris Wood's arriving at that point.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
just like he did for Moreno, for the header, he's he's there because every team needs someone there. How many times do you see in games crosses go begging across the face of goal?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
And you're just like, oh, if there was just a striker there.
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Marley
Exactly.
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Marley
Chris Wood's that striker.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Marley
EE's the one that's there.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
OK, so it's time for a short ad. But before we go to that, Marley, I want to ask you this question. You can answer it after the ad. And that is, who is your player of the season so far? OK, and anyone else wants to answer that, you can drop it down in the comments and have a bit of a conversation there.
00:13:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
OK, and if you're ready to tell your story about a recent Forest game, get in touch with us here at the Daily Forest by dropping your story or or messaging us on our Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, um TikTok, everywhere, pages, um you can find us under Daily Forest.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
OK, Marley, are you ready with a play of the season so far?
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Marley
I am I am so I've got a top three ah because it's been so difficult
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Global Sports Podcast Network
OK, hit me.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Difficult I know.
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Marley
And I think the obvious one is left out. In third place, I've got Matt's cells.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
He was one of mine.
00:14:17
Marley
The thing having a top quality goalkeeper between the sticks is massive. It can transform a club, it can decide a season because you could have the best players in the world and David Button in goal and you'd go down.
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Marley
You could have the worst players in the world and manual Neue in goal and you'll stay up. It's that simple. So, he's been quality for us this season. He's got to get in there. Second place is a player who doesn't even make the starting 11.
00:14:46
Marley
Mum got a fully fit side at the minute. It's Elliot Anderson.
Team Atmosphere and Fan Interactions
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, yep.
00:14:51
Marley
Kept out the team by Deminguez and Gibbs-White, but he's been called on in three different positions and he's been top quality, dare I say, world-class in all three of them. he He knows what to do.
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Marley
He's like a little messy with that football during Maradona. Got to love him.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah.
00:15:07
Marley
And I think so far the player of the season. I was tempted to go with an outside shout, but I've gone with one who most people probably go for. The man who has walked into our team this season has single-handedly transformed us from a relegation threat inside into a side battling for Europe.
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Marley
The man who isn't faced by Anfield because he's played in one of the fiercest Darby's in Europe. The man that is Nikola Milenkovic. So far he has just walked into that defence and gone, you know what, this championship level defence is now going to become Champions League level defence and it's worked perfectly.
00:15:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:15:47
Marley
He was the missing piece.
00:15:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, he has been fantastic. They were, they was talking um the other day about our back four on TalkSport and they were saying something about, you know, the the cost of our back four. Aina was free. Milankovitch, something like 12 million. Moreno's on loan and then uh, Marilla, what was he like five million?
00:16:10
Marley
Marillo. 11 million, I think.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Sorry.
00:16:15
Marley
I thought it was like 10-11 million.
00:16:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. But even, even that, if you added it up to 20, if it was 25 million for a back four, that has got your third in the premier league, 25 million, that's not even the cost of a ah ah champions league central defender.
00:16:32
Marley
And even Moreno, if we choose to make the loan a permanent, have you heard how much that will cost us?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
You know what I mean?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
No, go on.
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Marley
10 million.
00:16:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
peanuts in the grand scheme of things you know it's it's sickening that we're saying that that's peanuts because that money for us but in other people's lives in the world could do so much ah it's yeah it's absolutely ridiculous
00:16:44
Marley
10 million.
00:16:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
But, um, no, I totally get that. Milankovitch. Absolutely fantastic. Um, and I think, you know, what's interesting is you've gone for someone who's just walked into the team.
00:17:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
I've gone for someone who's always been in the team and that's Ryan Yates.
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Marley
Yeah, I was tempted to go for him.
00:17:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. And I, you know, there are others, as soon as I started making the list, I was like Yates. would, you know, obvious would, uh, sells in gold, just like you were saying, Murillo, Milankovitch.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Um, but then Gibbs, why Anderson, Ilanga, you just going through the starting 11 and the squad, everyone has been so good.
00:17:37
Marley
Everyone deserves it.
00:17:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
So the reason that Yates has stood out for me is the fact that the attitude towards Yates has totally turned. I know weeks ago, and I said, you know, I used to be the kind of guy who someone had offered three million for Yates and I'd drive him to Sunderland myself.
00:18:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah But the last couple of years, he's the, he is the survivor from the championship team still there.
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Marley
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
He's club captain and he gives everything for the shirt.
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Marley
yeah
00:18:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I really hope that he stays up first and and ends up being one of those one club phenomenons and that he gets an England cap at some point because the media have now started to turn their gaze upon him and are just like, you know, he does the dirty side of the game, not dirty as in bad, but dirty as in the unpopular side of the game.
00:18:36
Marley
on the floor ruffling players up there is one thing i want to mention as well mainly about one player there's a lot i want to mention actually we could i could sit here for an hour talking on this podcast today but one particular thing and that's the atmosphere around the club and one player i want to mention especially olla ina one there's three things i want to say about him quickly first one being his interview after the
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Global Sports Podcast Network
You know, yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Marley
the West Ham match. People are saying it's the best interview of all time because you stood there with his Ribena just talking as casually as you like.
00:19:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
This is Ribena.
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Marley
The interviewer was very good as well. She was an outstanding interviewer. But my favourite bit is people are pointing out the Ribena is more expensive than Ola Ina.
00:19:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah That's amazing.
00:19:30
Marley
Ola Ina spent more to buy that Ribena than we spent to sign him.
00:19:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
I've not heard that one yet.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
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Marley
um secondly
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Yeah.
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Marley
Secondly, it's Snapchat stories. It's lovely to watch. In the dressing room after the game, everyone dancing, him saying, we sent them backing back to East London.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. I saw that.
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Marley
Alan wanted a door within the back, he said, don't post that, Ola.
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Marley
And they say all they want, we're not looking at the table. But on that story, someone said, Ola, Ola, Ola, Ola, Ola. Pointing this camera at the TV, the table came up, saw it in first, and the whole thing went, yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah Yeah.
00:20:07
Marley
And thirdly, um something not many people have seen after the game. There was a traffic jam um outside the city ground. The cause of that traffic jam?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, was that, is that what you were talking about?
00:20:20
Marley
Ola Aina was leaning out of a car window singing songs with fans.
00:20:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
You and your mates.
00:20:27
Marley
Yeah, um um Willy Bolly actually got fed up and just drove around Aina. Because he was in the passenger seat of a car, everyone was singing the, air I will boil a thousand eggs and and I will boil a thousand oranges to be the one who bores a thousand eggs for Cal Hudson. The fans were singing that and Aino just pokes it out when he goes, oh no, no.
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Marley
And then just took a load of pictures and signed a load of autographs.
00:20:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
amazing You see someone threw a boiled egg on the pitch when Hudson and Dice scored.
00:20:58
Marley
What the heck?
00:21:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, the the corner of the Trent and on the TV coverage, a boiled egg comes flying on.
Speculation on Edu's Role
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Marley
I love it if Hudson and I just picked up the egg and eaten it.
00:21:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, like some of those players that catch the beer out of the air or whatever and and give it a sip.
00:21:15
Marley
Yeah.
00:21:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah. But and we're going to have one more quick ad. And after that, we're going to speak about a new appointment that is rumored to be arriving at the city ground in the very near future.
00:22:03
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Every day I dream about Forrest. So this this ah piece of news coming out from Fabrizio Romano, the man who seems to have a book, a listening device in every boardroom around the world.
00:22:06
Marley
every single day.
00:22:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know how he does it. but He's broke news just five hours ago today, saying Arsenal director, Edu, will join Maranakis Group coordinating Nottingham Forest Olympiarchos and potential future clubs. After decision ah to leave Arsenal revealed earlier today, Edu is now set to complete the move to the Maranakis Group. Ambitious projects at Nottingham Forest Olympiarchos. More clubs to follow in the future with Edu as key figure.
00:22:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Fantastic job at Arsenal for several years, crucial for Arteta's support and managed to sign top players. Edu also won the Golden Boy Award as Best Director. What do we think of that, Marley?
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Marley
massive massive news if true if it happens and edu signs with marinakis then it's hard to say that he's doing it for olympiacos when forest at the english club and third in the prem
00:23:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
No. Olympiarchos perennial Champions League.
00:23:30
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Whipping boys, um you know, just because they they win their league. You know, you don't you don't bring in a guy from Arsenal like Eddie for that.
00:23:43
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You know, this is.
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Marley
you have to say marinakis must have sold the forest project very very well as but as well as any other clubs he's buying a project he must have sold that to edu very well and the fact that we're able to pull him it's huge
00:23:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, forest. Yeah, but forests and others as well. I can imagine that, you know, what's, what's happening.
00:24:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
behind the scenes at the Maranakis group is that they will be looking to have, you know, a fleet of teams across the European leagues. But the problem I was thinking of this the other day, if we do get European football, is there going to be some sort of clash now in ownership, the ownership model with regards to Olympiacos?
00:24:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because I was under the impression.
00:24:29
Marley
has two things i was thinking of in terms of that the first one is there's no guarantee that it would affect us should we qualify for one competition they qualify for a different one like one of us in conference one of us in europe or champions league then it wouldn't affect us the other one is if it is only us two in two of them in the european leagues
00:24:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Go on, Molly. Go on.
00:24:54
Marley
One of them, Maronakis turns around and says, oh, so Olympiacos and can't play in the Champions League because um I own both of them. No.
00:25:06
Marley
Evangelos, Maronakis, owns one of them. Militiaris, Maronakis, owns the other one.
00:25:13
Marley
Because just because he signed the club club ah over to his son, if he does that, technically they're owned by different people.
00:25:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Is that the case?
00:25:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:22
Marley
but it's only signed over to his son, he could still have the main leading role in running the club.
00:25:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
totally get that and totally get how that would, ah you know, fulfill the letter of the law. But let's be honest, this is football. If though if we were drawn against one another, and there was any kind of con controversy fans would be up in arms and or if there was you know Olympia Arcos got beat by a ridiculous score and that that benefited Forrest or vice versa then fans would be up in arms saying fix and they'd be like oh it's father and son you know I think there needs to be more of a
00:26:04
Marley
But.
00:26:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
a break there, but I don't, I don't know how you can do it because any sort of step back from Maranakis and you just, everyone knows he's not going to step back, even if it's just on paper to fulfill the rule, everyone knows he's, he's going to be behind it. And with his history of the accusations of match fixing, um, currently one going through the courts now.
Emotional Journey of Forest Fans
00:26:33
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Who knows, you know, it could be a great ride, but it could be a sticky one at the same time.
00:26:40
Marley
but but let's face it nothing of the city and forest is a club we're not new to it dirty foe was all about rebels for a reason
00:26:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, no. and Yeah. And, and. The um this is one of the best memes I saw after the weekend was a screenshot of the Premier League top six.
00:27:03
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And it just said five Champions League winners and Arsenal. And on that note, my friend, um isn't it great to be a Forest fan? Come on, you Reds.
00:27:13
Marley
Absolutely beautiful common forest
00:27:15
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Living the dream.