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Ep. 51: Horsepower Is a Lie (And Other Garage Shop Myths)
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In this episode, Jamie and Curt dismantle some of the biggest myths in home and garage machining. No, you don’t need 100 horsepower. No, a bigger phase converter won’t magically create more power. And yes, you will destroy your driveway at least once. From machine layouts and electrical realities to coolant disposal horror stories and scrap economics, this episode is a practical — and occasionally unhinged — guide to making industrial equipment behave in residential spaces.
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Transcript
Introduction to the Special Episode
00:00:13
jamie peacock
Welcome to the Lone Machinist Podcast. This is going to be a special episode where we're filling in a case one of us decides that we feel like dying, like happened on the weekend. So we're not going to be covering what's going on in the week or in this past week.
00:00:23
Curt
Oh,
00:00:26
jamie peacock
It's going to be covering one of our topics that are on our topic doc.
Setting Up a Home Machine Shop
00:00:29
jamie peacock
And in this case, it's going to be, or it's going to have to do with the physical machine layout and workshop layouts and how we power machines and whatnot. So yeah how are you doing this morning, Kurt?
00:00:40
Curt
I'm doing fantastic.
00:00:42
Curt
how are you doing on this lovely, your lovely evening?
00:00:44
jamie peacock
A lot better than yesterday.
00:00:47
Curt
yeah Yeah, you're looking a little rough, so...
00:00:47
jamie peacock
yeah yesterday Yeah, yesterday I was not doing hundreds of when we recorded. But anyway, that episode is busy being processed now and will be up at the normal time.
00:00:59
jamie peacock
But yeah, this is going to be just ah one in the can for if one of us can't make the podcast for some reason, then we have something. Otherwise, it'll come out around episode 50. So if you haven't heard it, or if you hear it and episode 50 has come out, this is bonus content.
00:01:13
jamie peacock
If you hear
Fitting Large Machines in Small Spaces
00:01:14
jamie peacock
it before episode 50, one of us is trying not to die.
00:01:14
Curt
a
00:01:18
Curt
no no i figured it's a good topic because like we both run garage shops and like i get a ton of questions of people being like oh can i fit this in a garage like well yeah you could but it's like 20 000 pound machine like so i don't know it's kind of cool to cover cover the weird topic so right yeah exactly okay
00:01:21
jamie peacock
yeah
00:01:29
jamie peacock
Yeah, well, my garage doors are a perfect example. Technically speaking, the LK could have fitted.
00:01:38
jamie peacock
Technically speaking. But as soon as you put a forklift under it, it doesn't fit anymore.
00:01:41
Curt
but you don't
00:01:44
jamie peacock
So, yeah. I had to remove my garage doors and put an I-beam across the front and then put sliding doors in so that we could get the machine in reasonably.
00:01:44
Curt
Right, yeah, exactly.
00:01:54
Curt
OK, I was wondering why you have those style of doors, but that's specifically why you had to do it to get the machine in.
00:01:57
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah, I had two tilting doors and I was going to rip the tilting doors out and put roll-up doors. And then the machine technically would have fitted.
00:02:04
Curt
Right.
00:02:07
jamie peacock
But if you put it on skates, it wouldn't fit anymore. So I then decided that I was just going to rip the lintels out.
00:02:10
Curt
Hmm.
00:02:13
jamie peacock
So we jacked the roof up. This was about a week and a half before the machine arrived. we got We borrowed a bunch of jacks yeah from my...
00:02:19
Curt
Okay, perfect. Yeah.
00:02:21
jamie peacock
My friend's parents who a building company jacked the roof up, knocked in one day, we knocked, pulled the doors off, knocked the brickwork out, had the guys arrive, had the I-beam delivered the day before.
00:02:33
jamie peacock
They chopped the I-beam, welded the end pieces on. We put it in place, screwed it to the rafters, screwed it to the wall, and then did the brickwork on the edges all in one day and put the doors in.
00:02:45
Curt
That's intense. That's intense.
00:02:46
jamie peacock
Yeah, it was great fun. like and We didn't even work late that day. Like it was all pretty well planned. Like that we had built the doors, we knew what the size of the opening was,
Protecting Driveways from Heavy Equipment
00:02:53
jamie peacock
everything was prepped. And then yeah one day we just came in, smashed the doors out, put the, the I-beam in. I think we left the, we left the jacks there for like another day or two, just let the cement go hard.
00:03:05
jamie peacock
And then yeah, we're off to the races.
00:03:09
Curt
yeah Just that easy. Just that easy. Just totally change the entire facade of the front of your garage to squeeze a machine in.
00:03:14
jamie peacock
Why not? And then it took us a year and a half to paint the doors.
00:03:16
Curt
Why not?
00:03:18
Curt
No, that's fine. That's just, yeah, and that's not a problem.
00:03:19
jamie peacock
Yeah. No. i And now they insulated as well.
00:03:23
Curt
Hmm.
00:03:23
jamie peacock
But yeah, like ah those small things, like my driveway is ruined. It has trenches down it from putting the LK in. It's probably going to get trenches in it again when we pull Bertha out because it's now been raining because it's our rainy season. So the ground's going to be soft.
00:03:38
jamie peacock
So when Bertha comes out, we're probably going to ruin the paving again, but that's what it is. It's the joys of...
00:03:44
Curt
well and that i said that was the one thing that i was nervous when i bought this place is i knew the equipment i'd be putting in and it wasn't so much the equipment because i'm like well it' like thousands of pounds whatever the footprint when you work it out it's like it's not crazy compared to a vehicle or like two large trucks or something in a two-car garage but i was more concerned about okay the machine plus the giant forklifts driving up the driveway
00:03:55
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:04:05
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:04:05
Curt
um So I had the whole, I had a concrete company come out and they basically checked everywhere and they're like, oh yeah, you have tons of void.
00:04:11
Curt
I mean, every house is going to have voids underneath the foundations or the ah garage pad and and your driveway just because soil settles.
00:04:13
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:04:19
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:04:20
Curt
um
00:04:20
Curt
So I got them to foam fill it. They filled it all with foam just to kind of back the concrete. Probably not necessary, but like I didn't want to like have a giant fork.
00:04:26
jamie peacock
Rather be safe than sorry.
00:04:28
Curt
Yeah. And just like, oh no. no
00:04:30
jamie peacock
Well, the forklift, when they put Bertha in, I could see the paving making waves. But it didn't sink.
00:04:37
Curt
Okay.
00:04:37
jamie peacock
Because that was only a four-ton forklift. and The machine was two and half tons plus four ton rated forklift.
00:04:42
Curt
Okay.
00:04:45
jamie peacock
When they did both, it was a seven ton rated forklift. That's when they did the LK, it was a seven ton rated forklift.
00:04:49
Curt
Okay.
00:04:51
jamie peacock
So that thing probably weighed three or four tons.
00:04:55
Curt
Yeah.
00:04:55
jamie peacock
So yeah, in my paving, I had trenches down my paving. It just, it is what it is.
00:04:59
Curt
Oh.
00:05:01
jamie peacock
It's the price of putting a machine in a garage.
00:05:05
Curt
Yeah, well, I think I got a little bit lucky, too. Like, when I dropped the sile, like, the sile was 7,000 pounds and ah loaded up on the pallet anyways, and then with the forklift.
00:05:09
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:05:12
Curt
But I bought, like, a big... Because I wasn't sure if i was going like, a foot of snow when it came. ah So I rented...
00:05:16
jamie peacock
Yeah, you're a monster.
00:05:18
Curt
Yeah, I rented like an an outdoor forklift. So I, which the nice aspect is you have huge like agricultural tires. So the footprint of like the weight you're putting on it isn't like a little rubber forklift tire.
00:05:27
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:05:29
Curt
It's humongous. So i was like, okay, that's way easier on you know, it's point loading things.
00:05:32
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:05:33
Curt
So it's still not an issue, but yeah it was just, don't know.
00:05:36
jamie peacock
Yeah, much better.
00:05:36
Curt
I'm like, yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:05:38
jamie peacock
so I mean, even the one that did that did the LK, that thing had beefy tires. wasn't a small forklift, but yeah it was... the point load was clearly enough to ruin my pavement.
00:05:46
Curt
Yeah.
00:05:49
jamie peacock
Nah, it's not the end of the world.
Understanding Power Requirements
00:05:51
jamie peacock
Yeah, the other question we seem to get a lot about is power supply to these machines.
00:05:56
Curt
yeah yeah yeah tons
00:05:56
jamie peacock
But I think you and I are both in a bit of a ah unique situation with our machines being quite low horsepower or kilowatt rating. I mean, the size 10, I'm on 6.5 kVA. ah Yeah, I don't know, everyone thinks they need 100 horsepower.
00:06:11
jamie peacock
I'm very much not of that opinion. like I get by with the 6.5 kVA machine and it's not like I'm running into limits on a daily basis.
00:06:16
Curt
yeah
00:06:22
Curt
Yeah, like unless you're absolutely going, like even mine, it, yeah, the style pulls, it'll pull 20 amps of three phase. we We'll talk about phase converters in a bit, but like it's, you don't need a crap ton of power.
00:06:30
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:06:34
Curt
Like, mean, it depends what you're doing.
00:06:34
jamie peacock
No.
00:06:37
Curt
I mean, I think the problem is most machines, if people buy used machine, they're just naturally going to have an enormous, like if it's an old industrial machine, it's going to have like an enormous spindle on it. And then you're kind of hosed.
00:06:45
jamie peacock
yeah yeah yeah no yeah no like i mean the lk i run at uh 90 spindle load 90 99 somewhere out there on my roughing tools
00:06:46
Curt
If you're buying new, yeah, you don't need a crap ton of power.
00:06:55
Curt
Yeah.
00:06:57
jamie peacock
No problem. I've got 100 amp service. I've never run into an issue. That's 100 amp at 220 volts, so 22 kilowatts of service.
00:07:03
Curt
Yeah,
00:07:04
jamie peacock
I will happily run the anodizing setup both late and the LK, and yeah, not have an issue. I can do that on my 20kVA generator and not really have an issue. I think that thing's peaked at like 60% load. Yeah.
00:07:16
Curt
yeah that's nice. Yeah.
00:07:18
jamie peacock
But day on what's the the important thing there is what's measured is managed.
00:07:18
Curt
Wow.
00:07:21
jamie peacock
Like I put a power meter in. And then all of a sudden I realized, Oh, I actually have like seven kilowatts of overhead when everything's running.
00:07:30
Curt
Yeah,
00:07:30
jamie peacock
Like and that's when everything peaks. I've got quite a bit of overhead, which is going to get eaten up a bit now within the new lathe, but not too badly.
00:07:39
Curt
yeah well, I mean, when when my machine runs, like I make small parts, so it's not fair because um my my biggest tool is a 316 tool.
00:07:42
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:07:45
Curt
So like my spindle load is, ah I don't know, 4%, 7% if I'm really getting after it.
00:07:49
jamie peacock
yeah
00:07:51
Curt
So it's like the only time it sees 100 when it's spinning up and spinning down.
00:07:54
jamie peacock
is yeah that's also when i see it the most like i will i'll be watching tv on my lotto dim because the machine's stopping the spindle and rapiding up at 48 meters a minute it yeah it eats some power then but it eats power for all of two seconds and then it's back to to normal yeah i think my machine's at 10 i want to say 10 amp but that seems a bit low seems a lot low
00:07:55
Curt
So like I could run. yeah, yeah.
00:08:09
Curt
yeah totally yeah exactly yeah so
00:08:20
Curt
yeah yeah it doesn't seem well ah a three feet yeah I don't know it adds up yeah
00:08:22
jamie peacock
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. You have three phases it should be about Yeah, that's a pretty quickly, but I'm sure about 3.8 kilowatts. um So yeah, but I mean, 16 call it 16 amps.
00:08:34
jamie peacock
It's not a lot of power the phase converter I have can run 23 kilowatts for no mistake, you know, 23, something to that effect.
Efficient Power Management in Workshops
00:08:42
jamie peacock
um You can run three, four kilowatt motors continuously on it, like simultaneously.
00:08:48
jamie peacock
um I think or two seven and a half kilowatts something something to that effect. It is on the really sketchy website because it's a locally made unit.
00:08:57
Curt
See, and this is the point that always enrages me online when people are like buying like phase converters or whatever. and they're like, oh, I'm just going to get like a 40 horsepower. i'm like, you can't, you can't power it. They're like, well, just in case like it, it doesn't matter.
00:09:07
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:09:09
jamie peacock
Doesn't matter. Yeah.
00:09:10
Curt
Like watts or watts, however many watts you have available, that's the only amount of watts you can put out less because efficiency losses.
00:09:14
jamie peacock
Exactly.
00:09:16
Curt
But like, there's no point in buying a giant phase converter. If you can't feed it the power it's going to need.
00:09:19
jamie peacock
Well, that's, yeah.
00:09:21
Curt
Like, yeah.
00:09:22
jamie peacock
at The episode of Taps and Patience that they just did with Ben from Prickly Pear Prototypes.
00:09:30
Curt
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:30
jamie peacock
He was saying he's got a 10 horsepower phase converter. He's never, ever reached the limit and he's stalled his RoboDrill spindle. I'm like, yeah, stalling your spindle doesn't pull all the power.
00:09:37
Curt
Totally, exactly.
00:09:40
jamie peacock
It realizes there's a following error and doesn't actually pin the power.
00:09:40
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:43
jamie peacock
I know because I've done it too on a somewhat regular basis tapping m ten rigid tapping M10 or rigid tapping M12s in alley, you notice it.
00:09:52
Curt
Right.
00:09:53
jamie peacock
But that's the thing. I don't know. Like the horses or 20 horsepower spindle modes. I was like, yeah, you're never going to use that. Like, it's just burning power for nothing.
00:10:01
Curt
Yeah. what
00:10:03
jamie peacock
Like,
00:10:04
Curt
Well, look look at the efficiency curves too. like Some of those are rated at crazy power, but it's like, oh, that's your 200% power that you can do for two minutes, not like your continuous power rating.
00:10:06
jamie peacock
yeah.
00:10:12
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:10:13
Curt
So like there's tons of little things you have to look at because they like to hide that.
00:10:16
jamie peacock
Well, was reading for Nook manuals, my favorite thing in the world.
00:10:17
Curt
Ooh.
00:10:20
jamie peacock
ah the motor The spindle motor on the new lathe is 3.7 continuous, 5.5 for 30 minutes. So now I'm like, okay, do I buy a 5.5 kilowatt VFD or do run it on a 4 kilowatt VFD that I have?
00:10:27
Curt
Right.
00:10:31
jamie peacock
I'm going try it on the 4 kilowatts. Worst case, I can upgrade, but I'm never, ever going to run it near that load. I run small parts. Like, there's no way in hell going be near that. So, yeah, I'm...
00:10:43
jamie peacock
it's It's interesting to see all these racing, especially horse. 20 horsepower. No, it's a 5 horsepower motor. You can run at 20 horsepower for 30 seconds, and then you're going to run into trouble.
00:10:52
Curt
Right.
00:10:53
jamie peacock
like
00:10:53
Curt
Yeah.
00:10:54
jamie peacock
That's the famous thing of horsepower.
00:10:57
Curt
Yeah. Well, and it's just like, Same thing. People are like, well, I want to push it. It's like, okay, but you have hours in day. Like, work on your efficiencies and automations to run in the night hours so you don't have to be running at, like, flat out.
00:11:04
jamie peacock
Yeah. 100%.
00:11:08
jamie peacock
hundred per cent
00:11:08
Curt
Just, like, just run it easy for 24 hours as opposed to just trying to kill it in eight.
00:11:13
Curt
So, yeah.
00:11:13
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, that' that's exactly it.
00:11:14
Curt
Yeah.
00:11:15
jamie peacock
Like I've taken to doing that a little bit more lately. Just let it run reliably. Today, I actually I ran into that today. Turns out when you put a pallet on an anchor point, and then a chuck on that and then a long part on that, your moment load up here gets really intense.
00:11:30
jamie peacock
So I was actually having the pallet lifting a bit with my roughing passes, I had to go to slightly less step over. because it was actually lifting the whole assembly because I was going a little bit savage mode.
00:11:42
jamie peacock
But yeah, I mean, yeah slow it down and let it run reliably rather than fast. Because what's it?
00:11:47
Curt
Yeah, totally. Yeah.
00:11:47
jamie peacock
There's that old saying, it's ah slow, smooth and smooth as fast.
00:11:52
Curt
Totally. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
00:11:53
jamie peacock
And that can't be understated. But yeah, powering machines not not particularly difficult.
Electrical Configurations and Standards
00:11:59
jamie peacock
But then I think both of us have a bit of a aptitude for figuring out electrical stuff and house wiring is not particularly complicated.
00:12:07
jamie peacock
other than the stupid shit they like to do with shared neutrals. But other than that, it's pretty pretty reasonable.
00:12:07
Curt
No, no, exactly.
00:12:14
Curt
Yeah, like I said, it's just plumbing with like pixies.
00:12:16
jamie peacock
yeah Plumbing with electricity.
00:12:18
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:12:18
Curt
no Yeah, exactly.
00:12:19
Curt
Yeah, it's it it's fun. Everything functions basically the same. Bigger pipes, bigger flows, smaller pipes, higher flow.
00:12:22
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:12:23
Curt
Like, it all works out. It's kind of the same.
00:12:26
jamie peacock
Is your lathe behind you, the manual lathe, is that a single-phase lathe?
00:12:30
Curt
um Yeah, single for the hard engine.
00:12:31
jamie peacock
Oh, okay. Okay.
00:12:32
Curt
Well, the hard engine was three phase. The hard engine is now single phase.
00:12:34
jamie peacock
Yeah, was.
00:12:34
jamie peacock
I remember that.
00:12:35
Curt
um
00:12:36
Curt
ah Yeah, I mean, technically it's two-phase through a VFD, so it's three-phase, but yeah, I downgraded that one, which I kill the power curve of doing so, um but who cares?
00:12:44
jamie peacock
Wow.
00:12:45
Curt
Because it's it's a 5C lathe, so like the biggest stock I put in is one inch, and if it can make it through one inch diameter, for me, that's all I need. so um But yeah, the the manual is just 220, single-phase.
00:12:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:12:55
jamie peacock
Did... did you not have that motor... did you not change that from start to delta to run it on lower voltage?
00:13:03
Curt
It wasn't able to be changed from start at Delta, or like, Um, it was, it was, I think what it was is 12 coils. Um, and then three of them running per phase or sorry, four running per phase.
00:13:11
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:13:16
jamie peacock
Okay. and
00:13:17
Curt
Um, and then what I did is instead of doing that, I, how the shit did I do this? Oh, sorry.
00:13:23
jamie peacock
I remember you you fondled the modes quite a bit.
00:13:23
Curt
Yeah, it was four. Yeah, it was four coils per phase for 600 volts. um So they were all wired in like series.
00:13:29
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:13:32
Curt
And I just basically paralleled them so I could drop the voltage way down because I just had like no power.
00:13:35
jamie peacock
Okay.
00:13:37
Curt
And then so I changed the essentially I've changed the pole arrangement, um which means I've lost a lot torque and I've lost a lot of efficiency.
00:13:40
jamie peacock
yeah
00:13:43
Curt
But it's a 600 three phase motor that's now currently running on 220 three phase generated three phase of an inverter.
00:13:44
jamie peacock
That's fine. Yeah.
00:13:48
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:13:50
Curt
So yeah it saved me having to totally got that system, cobble my own together.
00:13:54
jamie peacock
Yeah, because I mean, I'm running all dual voltage motors on um like where I've run a BFD. So they've got star delta windings you run in whichever one for whichever voltage. and Now this new FNUC motor is a 200 volt motor.
00:14:07
jamie peacock
So bonus because 220 volts or 208 is a somewhat common three phase voltage.
00:14:09
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:14
jamie peacock
And this machine has a 380 to 220 volt step down transformer on the machine because everything is rigged for 200 volt.
00:14:14
Curt
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:14:20
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:14:21
jamie peacock
I like score single phase VFDs because our single phase here is 230 volt or 220 or whatever it feels like being on the day. So yeah, I think it's 230 is our single phase here.
00:14:30
Curt
Oh, OK.
00:14:32
jamie peacock
That's what it's labeled as.
00:14:35
Curt
Oh, OK, OK.
00:14:35
jamie peacock
Yeah. So like you guys, as far as I know, you guys are the same as you. So we've got split phase coming in. So you've got two hot legs between them.
00:14:41
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:41
jamie peacock
Yeah. So we don't. We've got... 220 and a neutral coming in or 230 and a neutral and then our three phases 380 between the three legs with no neutral generally speaking yeah so like if you so what we used to uh waste works we get a isolation transformer which you bring in 380 it generates 380 out and a neutral leg so that you could power your 220 volt devices with only your three lives in
00:14:49
Curt
Yeah.
00:14:55
Curt
OK, OK, OK.
00:15:12
Curt
Okay, so you're like, you're just residential, like your tea kettle, your toaster, whatever.
00:15:15
jamie peacock
Yeah, 220 volts.
00:15:16
Curt
Is that a 220? Okay, okay, that makes sense.
00:15:18
jamie peacock
No, no, no, we do bath bombs properly. Yeah.
00:15:21
Curt
That's proper. Yeah, I don't, yeah, volts volts are better.
00:15:21
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:15:23
Curt
I wish everything was like 600 volts, because then you could have just hair-thin wires.
00:15:25
jamie peacock
100%. I mean, our plugs are rated at 16 amps. like our wall sockets.
00:15:32
Curt
Okay, yeah.
00:15:33
jamie peacock
So it's like it's a shitload of power. It's 3.3 point something kilowatts coming out of every plug in your house.
00:15:38
Curt
Yeah.
00:15:39
jamie peacock
It's kind of stupid. But I also learned that when you run a lathe on a single plug, the switches burn out. I killed three of them in one day because my bertha bertha was plugged into the roof of a workshop.
00:15:49
Curt
ah
00:15:53
jamie peacock
Like literally had plug box on the plug then. And I was running an alley job where I was roughing up pretty much. I would run into like, yeah, the spindle stalling pause, let the spindle spin back up and then carry on.
00:16:04
jamie peacock
And yeah, three times in a row blew up the plug, blew the first plug. I'm like, Oh shit, plug it into the next one, carry on. Same thing, put a different plug in, same thing. And then I wired it directly into my DB board.
00:16:17
Curt
Nice. Okay. Yeah.
00:16:18
jamie peacock
Yeah, like, ah yeah you learn where these limits are. um
00:16:22
Curt
Yeah.
00:16:23
jamie peacock
But yeah, like it's interesting to hear all the different power things. Like I know the UK on job sites, like construction sites, it's 120 volt split phase.
00:16:30
Curt
Yeah.
00:16:32
jamie peacock
So between neutral and any of the lives, there's only a 60 volt potential.
00:16:33
Curt
Oh, weird. Okay.
00:16:37
jamie peacock
So there's less chance of electrocution. So like all the jackhammers and drills on the on the site run 120 split phase.
00:16:40
Curt
oh
00:16:46
Curt
Interesting.
00:16:47
jamie peacock
Yeah. And like the the world's got very interesting. Like apparently do they want to change our plug standard here now. I'm like, that will never, ever, ever happen in my lifetime.
00:16:53
Curt
Yeah.
00:16:56
jamie peacock
Our plug standard was made for the stupidest people in the world.
00:16:57
Curt
Yeah, no.
00:16:57
Curt
Yeah.
00:17:00
jamie peacock
Like it's so over-engineered. It's insane. My, my 63 amp three phase or big single phase plug for generator has smaller connectors in it or pins in it than my standard household plugs.
00:17:09
Curt
Yeah.
00:17:16
Curt
Oh, OK, so just beefed.
00:17:17
jamie peacock
it's like i'm trying to oh there we go yeah i'm having my 24 volt pass plug that's our wall plug
00:17:18
Curt
Yeah.
00:17:24
Curt
Oh, OK, you have like what looks like here is a dryer plug.
00:17:27
jamie peacock
eight millimeter ish yeah eight millimeter ish and like 11 mils it's insane like it's
00:17:28
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:17:32
Curt
Those are huge. That's your normal residential plug.
00:17:34
jamie peacock
That's our normal residential plug and then cell phone charges and things are EU standard. So the two pin EU standard is like our two pin plug for cell phone charges.
00:17:46
Curt
Sure. Yeah.
00:17:48
jamie peacock
That's our general plug to plug world. It's fucking insane.
00:17:52
Curt
That's insane. It's huge. That looks like a dryer plug here.
00:17:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:17:55
Curt
Yeah.
00:17:55
jamie peacock
No, it's nuts.
00:17:55
Curt
For ah listeners.
00:17:56
jamie peacock
ah fucking I dig it. But yeah, like they're super sized. And they've been like that for the longest time.
00:18:00
Curt
Yeah.
00:18:01
jamie peacock
I'm assuming because the guys who designed the standard figured the people here were stupid.
00:18:06
Curt
Yeah.
00:18:07
jamie peacock
Like the US plugs terrify me. I've got a couple of them in the garage running something other like cell phone chargers.
00:18:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:18:13
jamie peacock
ah From whenever I go to the US, I'll buy an extension cord because inevitably the Airbnb, there's no plug near the bed.
00:18:14
Curt
yeah
00:18:19
jamie peacock
So I'll buy an extension cord and then I'll buy charger or two and then bring them back with me. Yeah, so I have a few of them kicking around. I think there's one under my desk. Yeah, it's powering my LEDs.
00:18:30
Curt
yeah
00:18:31
jamie peacock
It's the US plug from ah and my Nexus 7 tablet that I bought in 2012.
00:18:38
jamie peacock
I ended up just soldering wires to it because I didn't feel like using an adapter, which is not the worst thing had.
00:18:42
Curt
Proper, yeah.
00:18:44
jamie peacock
Also, these are really easy to jerry-rig where you just put two wires and then shove the plug in and it makes contact.
00:18:50
Curt
All just a long about way saying that basically no matter what machine you buy, you could probably make the voltage work whatever system you have. Like my my style is like 380 volts, which takes a transformer.
00:19:02
Curt
But once again, like if you're either, if you know electrics, that's good. um Or if you don't get an electrician, it's super easy to step up or step down, you know, voltages.
00:19:09
jamie peacock
as far as I know the lk is also volts. there's a transformer on the side of it
00:19:16
jamie peacock
So I bought a phase converter with a built-in transformer. So my phase converter goes single phase 220, three phase 220, through a transformer to the machine at 380.
00:19:16
Curt
Oh, okay.
00:19:22
Curt
Right.
00:19:28
Curt
Oh, OK, OK.
00:19:28
jamie peacock
So it actually steps up in the giant fucking rattling box that is my phase converter. It actually steps it up to 380 volts. And then my machine is a transformer and steps it down to 200. didn't...
00:19:40
Curt
Oh, well, that's lame. I mean, I guess if you had a long wire run, it'd be nice, but.
00:19:41
jamie peacock
i didn't Yeah, the wire and like, the when you actually look at the required gauge of wire, it's hilarious. It's like frickin, maybe 16 millimeter diameter, four core wire.
00:19:49
Curt
Right, yeah.
00:19:52
jamie peacock
It's frickin tiny, and more than adequate, because again, we're only pulling like 10 apps, 10 or 16 apps.
00:19:53
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:58
Curt
yeah
00:19:59
jamie peacock
like a all power But yeah, it's kind of interesting when you look at all these transformers and things that go into these machines, because a lot of the control systems are 208 or 220, or somewhere around there. but somewhere around there But three phase around the world varies from 480 to 380 to 208.
00:20:13
jamie peacock
I guess ah know the backs of the, um, pass machines have got a bunch of taps on the transformer that you can move the thing across to, to match.
00:20:19
Curt
yeah
00:20:22
Curt
yeah Yeah, which is, I mean, it's kind of self-fixing.
00:20:23
jamie peacock
Done.
00:20:25
Curt
Because like if you're buying a used machine, and you're you're probably buying in your area.
00:20:27
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:20:28
Curt
So it's probably kind of set up for what you're going to get So yeah, unless you're being crazy.
00:20:31
jamie peacock
Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh, the other fun thing is walking sideways through, through your giant garage.
00:20:38
jamie peacock
less of a problem for me now because my new table is in um i can now just walk straight out of my workshop it's really surprisingly pleasant to be able to just walk straight out without having to walk like a crab and then i'm putting machines in that i'm not goingnna be able to uh walk straight through but not the point
00:20:39
Curt
Yeah.
00:20:39
Curt
and we
00:20:47
Curt
What luxury is it?
00:20:52
Curt
but
00:20:57
Curt
yeah i mean i think we both set up our shop so yeah like a b tight for like get as many machines as you can in or have the space too and like if it's a main like if it's a main thoroughfare in my ground like if there's a couple areas where like ah cells if you want to think about it that way where i made sure that it would be comfortable to move back and forth because i'm moving back and forth you know 50 times a day but there's couple of areas i'm like i don't care if i have to crab walk this spot because i only go here one or two times a day so
00:21:02
jamie peacock
yeah
00:21:08
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:21:14
jamie peacock
yeah
00:21:19
jamie peacock
Well, that's the rearrange that I'm planning. I'm going to build a cell between all my machines that it's easy to get between them. If I need to get to the back of the machine, something's wrong or it's not every 10 minutes.
00:21:31
jamie peacock
So yeah, that I can, I can deal with that being like a little bit more cumbersome to get to.
00:21:31
Curt
Yeah.
00:21:36
jamie peacock
But yeah, that's, that's the plan for rearranging the workshop. Whether it goes to plan is a different situation.
00:21:43
Curt
did you like Did you do it and ah the layout of your floor in like Fusion or just cut out like little paper templates?
00:21:47
jamie peacock
Oh yes, had that for years.
00:21:48
Curt
or Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:49
jamie peacock
No, no, I've had that model since I moved in.
00:21:49
Curt
Yeah.
00:21:51
jamie peacock
um updated it on Friday night.
00:21:52
Curt
yeah
00:21:54
jamie peacock
I was going to show you before this recording, but my computer was slowing. um Yeah, I updated it on Friday night, made the door on the Goodway move, and made, I put something on the screen.
00:22:04
Curt
Cool.
00:22:05
jamie peacock
You know, normal dumb shit.
00:22:07
jamie peacock
But I also don't trust that model entirely.
00:22:07
Curt
Yeah, yeah.
00:22:11
jamie peacock
It's pretty accurate to about 100 mils, I think, with a few of the spacings.
00:22:11
Curt
Mm.
00:22:17
jamie peacock
I'm very much considering some shenanigans that would let me put that bar feeder into my workshop.
00:22:17
Curt
Mm.
00:22:24
jamie peacock
Because the good way comes with bar feeder. Very much considering it.
00:22:24
Curt
Ooh.
00:22:27
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:22:28
jamie peacock
But we'll we'll see how it all shakes out. ah The more I think about it, the more I think the slower it needs to go to the door. because it runs less than the emco does.
00:22:37
Curt
Sure. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:22:40
jamie peacock
So I put the emco in the shop where my work cell is going to be. I think it'll be a bit of a smarter decision, but I might just have to wait on that and then borrow a pallet jack, pallet jack the good way back, and then I can move those two machines in the workshop.
00:22:55
jamie peacock
I'll have enough space to shimmy them around if I decide I want to. Because moving moving the emco, I've got... It's... a trolley I made you put the pieces and you stand on the end and it pops onto wheels stand on the other and pops on tools put two G clamps and then it's on wheels.
00:23:11
jamie peacock
So then I can wheel it around relatively easily. And the slow was designed and built on the third story of a block of flats. So it has its own trolley that I drop it onto and it can wheel around and fit through a doorway.
00:23:25
Curt
Oh, sick.
00:23:25
jamie peacock
Yes, not that machine a lot of time and effort wins, make sure that thing would fit out of my flat.
00:23:26
Curt
Oh, nice, yeah.
00:23:31
jamie peacock
Like I've heard stories about building things in flats and breaking the wall down to get them out. So that machine like measure of the door, measure the width of the hallways, measure the opening in the elevators, like quite yeah a lot of planning went into that one.
00:23:31
Curt
That's...
00:23:42
Curt
Right. Yeah. yeah
00:23:45
jamie peacock
And I got drove some of the major design decisions on that machine was making sure it could get out.
00:23:50
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. No, it makes sense. Yeah. It would suck to like be walking out and then be like, Oh, we can't get in the elevator. It'd be like, Oh no.
00:24:00
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, that, well, thank goodness the elevators work because they haven't been working there for like a year and a half. Like, yeah, not not ideal situation. But yeah, that's, ah yeah, and then how?
00:24:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:24:13
jamie peacock
look Okay, well you don't have any chips, so that's kind of a stupid question to ask you.
00:24:17
Curt
that's it's a good It's a good point, though, because most people do.
00:24:17
jamie peacock
but
Handling Metal Shavings and Coolant
00:24:20
Curt
Mm-hmm.
00:24:20
jamie peacock
Yeah, so I made, as in my discussion on with intolerance, relationships are everything. I had a guy that was fetching my chips, but he was giving me like,
00:24:27
Curt
you
00:24:30
jamie peacock
literally pennies on the pound. It was like i was getting bugger all. And I mentioned this to one of my customers and they do pressings. And he's like, Oh, no we get like, as good a rate as you're going to get anywhere, because they filling up a skip every week with punch outs from press tools.
00:24:46
jamie peacock
So he said, no, just bring it on. Whatever I get, I'll give you for them. So now I take my shavings there like once every two months or so. I've got a thousand liter IPC tote in the front yard that catches all my aluminum.
00:24:58
jamie peacock
And then I've got some wheelie bins and tubs that I do my steel in. Then what I'll do is I'll go, I'll drive to him, fetch an IPC, reverse into my driveway, dump all my steel shavings in, drive straight back to him and offload it with a forklift.
00:25:10
jamie peacock
Because if I load steel onto the rack, I can't get the IPC onto my truck.
00:25:16
Curt
Right.
00:25:16
jamie peacock
The last time I did that, we put ah we dragged it a bit with the truck, then put a pole behind it and reversed the truck. And like, yeah, it was dodgy as hell. So like aluminum, even this batch is going to be a problem. This batch is probably 200 or 300 kilograms of aluminum.
00:25:30
jamie peacock
But yeah, I made friends with them. And then I get good rates on my aluminum. Otherwise, generally, there's people that'll take it away.
00:25:35
Curt
Yeah.
00:25:36
jamie peacock
Well, at least here they are. Guys will come and give you a low price, but they'll come and fetch it, but you don't have to deal with it.
00:25:38
Curt
Yeah.
00:25:42
Curt
same here everyone i don't think anywhere in the world and someone's willing to scrap metal like i mean my my scrap is is decently valuable it's titanium um i mean it's as good as like brass or copper but i think i get about a buck a pound and i have 50 liter yeah i have 50 liter totes and i have four of them uh and it takes me a while to fill all whatever that is 200 liters um but then it's worth it's worth a drive you know it's a few hundred bucks and it could buy me lunch whatever and
00:25:46
jamie peacock
yeah
00:25:53
jamie peacock
Yeah. That's not too bad.
00:25:59
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:26:02
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:26:07
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:26:08
Curt
Make a small product. That's my's my main my main ah thing is design a small product to make because then you don't have to really worry about removing thousands and thousands of pounds of chips.
00:26:13
jamie peacock
Yeah, I-
00:26:16
jamie peacock
I take great care in keeping my aluminum separate from everything else because that's what i run most of the time. If I run brass, I'll try and keep it separate. I mean, I've got probably 10 or 15 kilos of brass from the weekend that I need to just sit and pick bits of aluminum out because I don't clean my machine thoroughly enough.
00:26:31
jamie peacock
um
00:26:31
Curt
Hmm.
00:26:32
jamie peacock
But as long as you get it pretty good, they don't ask. As long as if they shove magnet in, nothing comes out, you're good. If they shove a magnet and have steel shavings, then they're not interested.
00:26:38
Curt
youre Right, yeah.
00:26:40
jamie peacock
So I'm picky about that, but otherwise, like my lathes, mixed shavings.
00:26:41
Curt
Yeah.
00:26:44
jamie peacock
That just gets thrown in a bin. I reverse with it with an IPC, so it's steel, alley, whatever, dumped in there. I mean, even the copper I did the other day, it just got into the mixed shavings.
00:26:55
jamie peacock
I could pick the ball up with one hand.
00:26:55
Curt
Yeah.
00:26:57
jamie peacock
It's not worth cleaning the machine out so thoroughly for half a kilogram of copper.
00:27:04
Curt
Yeah, no, totally.
00:27:05
jamie peacock
chasing diminishing returns. And then coolant is the other one. You haven't had to get rid of coolant yet.
00:27:11
Curt
I have not. And that's one of the reasons I went i went with MB50 coolant just because I know it's like stupid bulletproof.
00:27:16
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:27:16
Curt
And i was like, i can't be I can't be dumping coolant every six months because it's going to be crazy annoying. And that's another thing. my My sump is tiny. Like it's an 80 liter sump.
00:27:23
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:27:24
Curt
So I don't have a lot of coolant.
00:27:25
jamie peacock
That's not too small.
00:27:26
Curt
But yeah, I mean, it's not like 500 liters or something.
00:27:28
jamie peacock
It's the same as the EMCO, just saying.
00:27:35
Curt
A little baby one.
00:27:36
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, the Emco's got a small tank. It actually evaporates out pretty quick. um
00:27:40
Curt
yeah
00:27:40
jamie peacock
So unfortunately, i have had to get rid of coolant. 300 liters of it so far.
00:27:47
Curt
yes Yeah, that's a lot.
00:27:48
jamie peacock
Yeah, it's all sitting in my yard. I went to one of my customers. I'm like, hey, you used degreaser. Can I have the containers? Got a whole bunch of 25 liter containers. Pumped it Got Monica to suck the tank out. And then I pumped it into those.
00:28:00
jamie peacock
Sealed them off. And they're sitting there. There's a service that will take away old coolants. But they charge per liter.
00:28:07
jamie peacock
It's not a lot of money. It's just more money than I've had spare. so I haven't had it taken away yet. I'm going to have to now the next month or so that has to be taken away because I've got 140 or 160 liters to come out of Bertha.
00:28:08
Curt
Yeah.
00:28:20
Curt
Yeah, that's a lot. I mean,
00:28:21
jamie peacock
Because Bertha is getting sold. So machine needs to be emptied.
00:28:25
Curt
we have we have like the same services here. They'll come and they'll drop off like 55-gallon drums and you can just fill them and then they'll take the drums away and you just pay for it.
00:28:27
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:28:31
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:28:32
Curt
That's honestly probably the easiest way. and Almost no matter what they charge, it's not worth my time.
00:28:35
jamie peacock
It's worth it, yeah.
00:28:36
jamie peacock
um My thought is load it all on my truck, drive to the Clip River, pour it in, and it can only make that river cleaner.
00:28:36
Curt
Yeah, exactly.
00:28:37
Curt
It's like, make us go away. Oh.
00:28:44
Curt
Oh. Oh.
00:28:46
jamie peacock
It can only make it cleaner. Like you go to that river, you can literally see the mushed up toilet paper in the water, like the mints toilet paper. That river is disgusting. We used to fish in it.
00:28:55
Curt
ah
00:28:55
jamie peacock
We don't anymore because you only catch turds.
00:28:56
Curt
ah
00:28:58
jamie peacock
But yeah, like that's that step when I asked the guys at Taps and Patients that I could just pour it in a field. I'm like, no, I have multiple hundred liters of really stinky coolant. I'm not going to go poison a field.
00:29:09
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, let's try to not, or the, you know what the best, the best.
00:29:13
jamie peacock
I actually so yeah.
00:29:15
Curt
Oh, go ahead.
00:29:16
jamie peacock
No, no, you go ahead.
00:29:18
Curt
I say the easiest way is just to go the way my hardinches and just neat oil where it just runs pure oil.
00:29:22
jamie peacock
Oil, yeah.
00:29:23
Curt
and Then you don't worry about anything. It just stays there forever.
00:29:24
jamie peacock
Well, I was... So I was chatting to one guy. He reckons, no, what you do, he's on an industrial property. He reckons the drain at the bottom of industrial property, you fucking put a drum next to poke a small hole and let it drip in there constantly.
00:29:37
jamie peacock
And every time someone flushes a toilet, it dilutes it. And I'm like, dude, no!
00:29:41
Curt
ah
00:29:42
jamie peacock
But that that's the thing, industrial areas, guys do shit like that. I mean...
00:29:46
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:46
jamie peacock
port down the fucking road, know, guys all sorts stupid things.
00:29:47
Curt
And then the next
00:29:50
Curt
And the next guy that has to buy the place and gets like a like ecological sampling is just fucked because the ground is totally.
00:29:53
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:29:56
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:29:57
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:57
jamie peacock
So we, where I used to work, we had an IPC tote of frot coolant.
00:29:59
Curt
Don't do that. Don't do that.
00:30:02
jamie peacock
Like, fucking disgusting. And electricity apparently was free. My boss got a bathtub.
00:30:10
jamie peacock
put two six kilowatt elements into it with a float switch.
00:30:10
Curt
Oh, no, I know where this is going.
00:30:13
Curt
Oh, no. Oh, no.
00:30:13
jamie peacock
And every night the guys used to dump it and would turn this thing on before we left. And when the float switch went down, the elements turned off. I did that for weeks until we basically had a 55-gallon drum just of oil.
00:30:25
jamie peacock
And then they paid us to take it away.
00:30:25
Curt
Right.
00:30:26
jamie peacock
Because then they'll buy the oil off of you. But if there's water in it, then you must pay them.
00:30:30
Curt
oh
00:30:31
jamie peacock
So we did that every evening. It stanked the place out, but day by the morning it was fine.
00:30:36
Curt
ah
00:30:36
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, boil it off.
00:30:37
Curt
Yeah, I've heard of people doing that. Yeah, no, and no.
00:30:38
jamie peacock
It did. It worked well, but yeah, no, not my cup of tea. ah Electricity is also not cheap.
00:30:43
Curt
Yeah.
00:30:43
jamie peacock
I looked at what I've spent on electricity this month and it makes me want to cry.
00:30:48
Curt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:48
jamie peacock
No, it's not getting insane. um Oh, yes, i was going say, I want to dig a trench in the front of my house because if I wash the dryer, anything I wash off in the driveway, runs down next to the garage and then onto the grass.
00:31:00
jamie peacock
I want to dig a trench and fill it with gravel and just, if anything washes in there, goes deep and fucks off,
00:31:06
jamie peacock
instead of killing my grass because that according to popular mechanics that's how you get rid of all engine oil dig a hole fill it with gravel and pour your engine oil into it
00:31:06
Curt
Right, yeah,
00:31:14
Curt
yeah, yeah. what, 1952 popular mechanics?
00:31:16
jamie peacock
yes yeah exactly yeah if it worked then it'll work now
00:31:17
Curt
Yeah, it's a war, it comes wars, yeah, exactly.
00:31:22
Curt
Yeah, I have a bunch of those, and they also say to smoke Camel cigarettes, because the number one cigarette recommended by doctors. and
00:31:28
jamie peacock
100%.
00:31:29
Curt
oh
00:31:29
jamie peacock
The number of doctors that I know that smoke is something terrifying. Like, surely they would know better. But no, my sister-in-law, my mates, missus, all the doctors I know smoke.
00:31:39
Curt
yeah there
00:31:40
jamie peacock
What have you done for noise mitigation, Kurt?
Minimizing Noise and Neighbor Relations
00:31:44
Curt
I kind of got lucky in that regard because gets effing cold here. So when I insulated the entire garage and the garage door is also insulated because like we'll get minus 40. So like if I want it warm in here, it has to be insulated. And by default, I just bought insulation that was sound deadening.
00:31:58
Curt
um So it's I can have the machines honking as hard as I can. And if I go outside, I can't hear through the door like nothing like I can machine at three in the morning.
00:32:04
jamie peacock
Oh, nice.
00:32:06
Curt
So yeah. And I also did the roof.
00:32:07
jamie peacock
I can shoot at 3 in the morning too.
00:32:08
Curt
I did everything.
00:32:09
jamie peacock
ah just don't care about my neighbors.
00:32:10
Curt
but right yeah and i also didn't want my neighbors to know what i do like not that i'm doing anything sneaky but i don't want to interrupt anybody um i don't want anyone being nosy so i just i made sure it was silent but yeah i get lucky in that regard how about you how did you kill sound or you didn't that's a way too yeah that's a way yeah
00:32:14
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:32:18
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:32:21
jamie peacock
Nice. Yeah.
00:32:26
jamie peacock
i Became friends with all my neighbors.
00:32:30
jamie peacock
Yeah, So my mother-in-law's fucking mansion of a cottage blocks sound to that side. um It goes into a valley through our house this way. That way there's a dickhead that I don't care about.
00:32:42
jamie peacock
And that way there's a road. And my neighbor has a really good sound system. So I've never had any noise complaints other than this dickhead on this side being a dickhead. um He had a comment one evening. I was running something on the Emco every now and again. Squeaks when it clamps. You know, a loud pneumatic sealed bypasses?
00:33:01
jamie peacock
Like a loud, yeah, one of those. He had some comment about that, and I'm like, dude, don't even. like I'd given him shit or I'd asked him to please sort out his drain on his property because the gray water was leaking through the wall into my property and my dogs were there.
00:33:01
Curt
Oh, sure, yeah, yeah.
00:33:16
jamie peacock
And I'm like, hey dude, your drain's blocked.
00:33:17
Curt
Right.
00:33:18
jamie peacock
He took offense to me telling him his fucking plane drain was blocked. So then had some snarky comment about me running production my garage. What he doesn't realize I have residential with consent to run a business, which costs me an extra fucking amount of money every month.
00:33:28
Curt
right
00:33:30
jamie peacock
and stupid amount of back rates that we had to pay so he can go and suck a dick i really don't care about what his opinion like he parks his tow truck on the fucking curb every day which i'm pretty sure is against the law and if it isn't i'm will they a noise complaint if i have to so yeah he's the only one who i really have issues with and if i'm running noisy shits i'll put a piece of foam in the window that faces him like i don't really want to stir too much shit my new workshop's going to be a shitload closer to him though
00:33:54
Curt
Totally. Yeah.
00:33:58
jamie peacock
But again, double double brick wall.
00:33:58
Curt
Well, that's like, yeah.
00:34:01
jamie peacock
It's not like you're going to hear much through that. Yeah.
00:34:05
Curt
Yeah. I think the easiest way is like when I moved in here, we baked cookies for all the neighbors. That goes a long way.
00:34:09
jamie peacock
yeah
00:34:10
Curt
Like just if you're, yeah.
00:34:11
jamie peacock
No, that's it. So if I look at my neighbors around me, ah across the road, I get drunk with him. I make knife pots for him and also drink with him.
00:34:17
Curt
Right.
00:34:18
jamie peacock
and Neighbor on that side of burglar her house when she locks herself out. Like all the neighbors around me I'm friendly with.
00:34:23
Curt
Right. Yeah.
00:34:24
jamie peacock
The neighbors below I'm pretty friendly with. Like, yeah, that goes a long way to just being personable to the people around you and helping out when, like, if they need a hand.
00:34:27
Curt
Yeah.
00:34:32
Curt
Yeah.
00:34:33
jamie peacock
Like my neighbor, hey, he'll come up dude, can you come help me drill a hole in the wall? Like he doesn't have an impact drill.
00:34:38
Curt
Yep.
00:34:39
jamie peacock
I'm like, no, it's just a bit. I'll see you in half hour. I'll go over there, hang something for him.
00:34:41
Curt
Yeah.
00:34:42
jamie peacock
Or we, yeah, he's the one who got me into home assistance.
00:34:45
jamie peacock
Very bad influence. um
00:34:46
Curt
Mm.
00:34:48
jamie peacock
But yeah, i'll just like be friendly with your neighbors and yeah, you'll get away with a lot.
00:34:48
Curt
Mm.
00:34:53
jamie peacock
and be somewhat considerate.
00:34:53
Curt
Well, and that lends...
00:34:56
Curt
Yeah, absolutely. and But that also lends well to like our whole areas. Like usually our shops are stock full of like crazy tooling for basically any kind of mechanical problems.
00:35:03
jamie peacock
yeah
00:35:05
Curt
So like you can help out a lot of people. Like I've helped my neighbors with this lawnmower and like it's the same thing.
00:35:07
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:35:10
Curt
just like you you just have all the tools. So it's like I'll help you.
00:35:12
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:35:13
Curt
And they're like, OK, well, now now I've given you like you can do basically whatever you want because i like you. And it's just, yeah, it works out
00:35:18
jamie peacock
Yeah. 100%. No, that's exactly it. Like it yeah it goes both ways. But in some cases, good fences make good neighbors. And in that direction, that's a fact.
00:35:29
Curt
Totally. Oh, and like.
00:35:29
jamie peacock
But yeah, that's always, that's always been a touchy relationship from before I even pitched up. Like his pool was backwashing into our yard. So my mother-in-law jumped the fence to go stop it because they were flooding our yard.
00:35:41
jamie peacock
And then he, that ah came home from work, comes and shouts to her and all sorts of shit. wild While she's shouting at him, the dog's behind her. She's like, quiet boy. And the guy's, don't call me your boy. She's I'm talking to the dog that's literally barking at you.
00:35:54
jamie peacock
But yeah, it's ah one of the people that's got a chip on their shoulder and Adam and everyone's out to screw them.
00:35:55
Curt
Right. Yeah.
00:35:58
jamie peacock
And you'll unfortunately always have those people in the world.
00:36:02
Curt
Well, I think you did it right is like also make sure like legally make sure everything is in place because that helps a lot.
00:36:08
jamie peacock
Yeah, like our zoning here, we I don't know how we have it. I'm assuming my father in law did it 20 years ago. ah don't actually know how we have that zoning. But I'm not going to complain. Like I have the zoning I'll pay like I'm gonna build a new workshop in the front yard right by that dickhead's fucking house.
00:36:19
Curt
Right.
00:36:23
jamie peacock
Because he also he must Yeah, those in glass houses should not throw rocks. His generator used to be next to my bedroom window. So at 2am when the power went out, his generator would auto start.
00:36:31
Curt
Hmm.
00:36:35
Curt
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Outside of noise hours, yeah, yeah.
00:36:37
jamie peacock
dude, I'm trying to fucking sleep. Like, yeah. And yeah, they used to have parties and all that. He'll start his dirt bike, six o'clock on a Sunday morning, rev the shit out of it, wake the whole neighborhood up and then go ride.
00:36:48
jamie peacock
It's like, dude, like, come on.
00:36:49
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
00:36:52
jamie peacock
Yeah, better we don't, we don't complain about our neighbors because it doesn't really help.
00:36:57
Curt
Yeah, totally, exactly.
00:36:58
jamie peacock
But yeah, that's, I think that pretty much covers our topic for this episode.
00:36:59
Curt
Exactly.
00:37:03
Curt
That's probably most of the, yeah, the issues that people run into.
00:37:05
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:37:06
jamie peacock
Like, also, sort your floor out before you put a machine in.
00:37:06
Curt
Like.
00:37:11
Curt
Yeah, totally. Yeah. Paint it, do whatever.
00:37:12
jamie peacock
And interlocking rubber tiles are not the answer.
00:37:14
Curt
Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah
00:37:19
jamie peacock
I did that. The interlocking rubber tiles.
00:37:20
Curt
Yeah. ah
00:37:22
jamie peacock
They're fine, but yeah, they were not the correct. Well, that at the time, they were the correct choice because I couldn't afford to epoxy the floor.
00:37:30
Curt
Sure. Yeah.
00:37:30
jamie peacock
The new shop, I think I will epoxy it.
00:37:31
Curt
No, I.
00:37:34
Curt
Yeah, that would be.
00:37:34
jamie peacock
At least that's the plan.
00:37:37
Curt
know, I painted the floor in here piecemeal, and it would have been a lot easier if it was just everything was out, because it's so annoying to move equipment just to paint under it.
00:37:41
jamie peacock
Yeah. So I did my floor actually, no, that was the tenants here that bitched and complained. I was assembling the floor in here after the hours. So I would come from work, come here, sit on the floor with a fucking hammer and hammer these tiles together till like nine o'clock at night for like five or six nights.
00:37:59
Curt
physics
00:37:59
jamie peacock
And then the tenants were bitching because I was making a noise.
00:38:00
Curt
Nice.
00:38:01
jamie peacock
I'm like, dude, it's fucking eight o'clock at night. You can't tell me you're sleeping right now.
00:38:04
Curt
Yeah.
00:38:05
jamie peacock
But yeah, did the whole floor in here before I even moved any of my equipment in. And the floor's been good.
00:38:11
Curt
Yeah.
00:38:11
jamie peacock
It's just when we put Bertha down, it ripped one of the seams and that seam has been open since because you're not going to close it.
00:38:19
Curt
yeah
00:38:20
jamie peacock
Like it just, it is what it is. But they're nice floors. You drop stuff. It doesn't generally dig, which is nice.
00:38:26
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, that is, yeah, exactly. Exactly.
00:38:29
jamie peacock
But yeah if you can, paint and prep before you move it.
00:38:33
Curt
Yeah. Yeah. And if the like I, the best thing I did in here was paint. Cause like concrete will always give you concrete dust. Like you'll never get rid of it.
00:38:39
jamie peacock
Yes.
00:38:41
Curt
Even if your house is like this house is built in the nineties. Um, yeah it'll, it'll just constantly gives you dust.
00:38:44
jamie peacock
Oh, that's cute. It's so young.
00:38:47
Curt
It is, it is a newer home. Yeah. Or newer in the area anyways. Um, but yeah, like the moment I like clean the floor super well and painted it, it's like, boom, no dust.
00:38:50
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:38:54
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:38:56
Curt
Cause it sealed it. Like, and i was like, Oh, I should have done this right at the start. Like it would have been way better.
00:38:59
jamie peacock
yeah
00:39:01
Curt
Yeah.
00:39:02
jamie peacock
Yeah, I must say that the rubber flooring of the interlocking, like dust, floor dust hasn't been a problem.
00:39:09
jamie peacock
Mine dump dust is always a fucking problem.
00:39:09
Curt
Yeah, it would help.
00:39:09
Curt
yeah
00:39:11
jamie peacock
Like Joburg is the worst. When I stayed in the cottage stayed in when I moved up here, you'd wipe the top of the toilet, like a white porcelain toilet, you'd wipe the top, you'd walk out the room, walk back in and there was a layer of dust.
00:39:19
Curt
Yeah.
00:39:24
Curt
Yeah.
00:39:24
jamie peacock
Like the mine dumps up here and the dust is just insane. Like, yeah.
00:39:29
Curt
Yeah.
00:39:30
jamie peacock
Wipe a surface on this dirty again.
00:39:30
Curt
Money.
00:39:31
jamie peacock
And it's not great when you've got a lot of coolant mist in there. Because then everything gets like fucking gunky.
00:39:35
Curt
I...
00:39:37
jamie peacock
Yeah.
00:39:37
Curt
I was just going to say, I think another main point, especially small shops like that, is air quality. If you're in an area where you can have air exchange with the outside, awesome. But if you're not, like where it's either really hot or really cold, you have to sort that out too because the air can get bad quick.
00:39:52
jamie peacock
Unfortunately, ah furnace filters, not super common here, because I want to make a little box fan like you've got.
00:39:58
jamie peacock
But dude, buying by furnace filters, just not a thing. No one has furnaces here.
00:39:58
Curt
Oh, yeah, yeah,
00:40:04
Curt
Sure, yeah, yeah.
00:40:05
jamie peacock
So like actually getting furnace filters is like prohibitively expensive.
00:40:10
Curt
I wonder if you could just buy like a giant HEPA dust collector or something like that.
00:40:12
jamie peacock
I think I'm going to look at getting a giant HEPA filter from one of the hydroponic stores.
00:40:19
Curt
yeah oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:19
jamie peacock
Because those have sprung up now since marijuana is not legal.
00:40:20
Curt
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:22
jamie peacock
Everyone's fucking growing it. So those stores have popped up. They used to be kind of difficult to find and now they're just everywhere.
00:40:26
Curt
Yeah.
00:40:28
jamie peacock
So anyway, we must do something like that.
00:40:29
Curt
Yeah,
00:40:30
jamie peacock
Because I think the good way is also going to be bad with fucking mist.
00:40:34
Curt
yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:34
jamie peacock
yeah The LK today was actually really bad with the job was running this evening. The 6mm NMW was dropping deep and then the coolant was hitting the nut on the ER20 and just vaporizing.
00:40:46
Curt
I'll do it.
00:40:48
jamie peacock
You open the door and you can see the mist.
00:40:51
jamie peacock
so i should probably But I mean, most days my doors are open. So, meh. should blow that shit outside.
00:40:51
Curt
Yeah.
00:40:57
Curt
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
00:40:58
jamie peacock
At least, know with us the temperature is relatively pleasant most of the year.
00:41:03
Curt
Well, and even like I've been the hard inch is like basically plumb to, uh, like vent outside if I needed to well I do need it to and it's running and I just pay for the heat like it's it's cheaper to pay for the gas than to worry about like kind of oil mist in the air ah ah you don't get oil mist you just you get smoke um but I would like I would like to filter that better just for the whole sense of it's a good thing to do yeah I mean yeah there's freaking jets flying everywhere but let's not for my part of it I could I could do better so yeah
00:41:14
jamie peacock
yeah yeah
00:41:20
jamie peacock
yeah no the oil yeah the whole planet yeah yeah no no there's just flying everybody's your hard engine that's the problem
00:41:37
Curt
Yeah, exactly. I'm contributing. So yeah, it's it's um his on the books.
00:41:43
jamie peacock
Yeah, no, air quality is is somewhat important. It's nothing worse than coming in from a day. Like when I used to do a lot of welding and grinding, oh, the black boogers, they were the worst.
00:41:52
Curt
ah Yeah. Yep.
00:41:53
jamie peacock
Like even now, if ah if I fondle dead tree coxes or I do any significant grinding, I might come inside, have a shower before i go to bed because I'm just covered in fucking crap.
00:41:53
Curt
Yeah.
00:42:00
Curt
yep
00:42:02
jamie peacock
But yeah, I'm not a fan of grinding and welding like I used to, but yeah, not anymore.
00:42:03
Curt
yeah
00:42:08
Curt
Yep.
00:42:10
jamie peacock
Oh, sweet.
00:42:11
jamie peacock
I think we'll wrap it up there.
00:42:11
Curt
Yep.
00:42:11
Curt
I'm with you. Sounds good.
00:42:13
jamie peacock
Thank you, everybody, for listening to this episode that will at least come out around, hopefully only around episode 50 as bonus content. But yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed it as we dived into the fun topics of physical machine layout slash selection, titled by Kurt.
00:42:31
jamie peacock
ah But yeah, thank you very much for listening, and we will, well, see you in the next episode.
00:42:37
Curt
Take care all.