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S2E3: Lie vs Lie
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Series spoilers abound! We’re discussing Season 2, Episode 3 “Psy vs Psy”. We’ve got double trouble with Lindsay Larkin and Larson Ewing joining the gang to locate a forger who has found their way to Santa Barbara. Larkin’s fake psychic ability keeps Shawn on his toes, and “Super Lassie” Ewing makes Carlton consider if he wasn’t to be a Federal Special. We’re talking flirty Shawn, Henry’s House, and 24 hour clocks. Practice your spontaneous psychic krav maga and join Kylie and Skyler for this episode of Phsysics 101!
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Introduction to PSY-6101 and Episode 'Psy vs. Psy'
00:00:20
Speaker
All right. Hi, everyone. And welcome to the PSY-6101, where we discuss everything about the world of Psych and the antics of Shawn and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar, and this is my partner Garrison. And today, we're going to be talking about season two, episode three of the famed TV show, Psych. Hello. Episode three.
00:00:39
Speaker
Episode three. I didn't actually write down the title, but I believe it's Psy versus Psy. Psy versus Psy, yes. A great title. Yeah. that Yeah. It's written in, okay. P-S-Y. V-S dot P-S-Y. It feels very like shortened. Every bit of it is like... Yeah.
00:01:02
Speaker
Now I wonder, obviously when they say PSY, the referencing psychic, but does PSY, is that like an abbreviation for something PSY? You know? ho Just Google PSY. Oh, well, it's the Korean rapper. Oh, of course. Gangnam Style.
00:01:26
Speaker
That's all the results I'm getting at. He's very famous. but Yeah, we so we know that especially in the titles. Well, and we wondered if I guess if it would transfer into season two, but at least in season one, the titles were very indicative of what was going to happen so in the episode. Oh, what do you got? I figured I'd check the side quickie and it says the title is a play on the classic Mad Magazine cartoon strip spy versus spy.
00:01:52
Speaker
oh there you go that makes sense yeah that makes total sense and like two adversaries like going against each other but very similar that's awesome and so i like that that's cool yeah clappy got to the bottom of that. Yeah. And again, it's going to you know come back to our whole conundrum for the episode. The title essentially tells us the answer as we've been discussing. h
Cringe Moments and Episode Recap
00:02:20
Speaker
Yeah. I know we talked a little bit last week about how we both get a little cringy about this episode. I know. It is hard to watch. It is hard to watch. At some parts.
00:02:31
Speaker
Yeah, especially the, and where where was it that I was like, Oh, at the very, very end after the nutshelling where she makes that joke. ah I was like, don't do it. But she had to get her last jab and so I, I understand. so for for anyone who hasn't seen the episode or who it's been a very long time seeing the episode, the general summation is that there's a forger who has been laundering money into different towns across the country. And the FBI has come into Santa Barbara to try and capture this forger. But our big twist this time is that the FBI also brought in a psychic. So now we have. Is the FBI? Yes. Because there's like the part of the Department of the Treasury
00:03:23
Speaker
Oh. Maybe I'm thinking of that other episode where the feds come in and they're like, not everybody in a suit is a is FBI or something like that. I'm pretty sure he is.
Shawn vs. FBI Psychic: Competitive Dynamics
00:03:33
Speaker
I mean, I know the FBI, or I'm pretty sure the FBI is like the only group that uses the title special agent. So when they say that, I usually think of FBI, but I feel like he held up the badge and went FBI.
00:03:45
Speaker
He very well cut up. I just like clocked. Clocked. If you do. um
00:03:56
Speaker
the The whole Department of Treasury thing. um Yeah. But also certain organizations are part, um so was sometimes like randomly part of like, like, I don't know, is the FBI part of the Department of Treasury? You know, there's like random connections like that where I don't,
00:04:16
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I mean, the FBI is kind of like the, we'll say the police force for interstate issues and for like the federal government. So it would make sense that they'd have like a treasury division, like if anything happened across state lines, like money laundering or whatever, that they would- It says Federal Treasury Department on the Wiki. Federal Treasury Department. Okay. But if I feel like, hmm.
00:04:44
Speaker
but so is he and ah Is he a police officer? I mean, he carries a gun, but if he was just a part of the Treasury, he wouldn't necessarily be an observer of the law. I think they must have some, the Treasury must have some sort of in law enforcement body wing.
00:05:02
Speaker
life fair which Okay, What is that other episode? It's the one with the with the spy. One, maybe two
Young Shawn: Rebellion and Authority Issues
00:05:11
Speaker
ways out. Is that it? Wow. That's season five, episode nine. That's another one that feels like it could be anywhere. I'm not recalling which one this is off the top. It's the one, the woman who's like knows Ewan O'Hara. Oh, yes. And the guy with the giant guy. yeah And I remember he has a line. We're just like the woman with the guy. But we know what we mean. The black hair and the guy in the woods with the, yeah. Oh, there's CIA. Okay, so that's like so a very familiar yeah law enforcement arm. But I do remember Tom Fong, that's him. Oh, yeah. It's like that other guy has like a really long title, and I'm Tom Fong.
00:06:00
Speaker
That's a wonderful episode, too. Yeah, me just be more about like Juliet and and her life. yeah Yeah, which is always fun, especially because we haven't gotten too, too much of that yet. Yeah. So he's he is some form of federal agent. Maybe we'll put him there. Some form of federal agent and he comes in to try and nab this guy. They've been running like all around the country with his psychic Lindsay Larkin. Liken. Liken. Lindsay Liken. Which also feels like a sort of comic book. It does. Yeah. The alliteration and everything. Yeah, the alliteration exactly.
00:06:37
Speaker
Yeah. Like Lois Lane. Yes. Oh, exactly. Exactly. Except she's not anything like Lois Lane. But so that's the, that's the kind of general setup for, for the episode. But we get a bunch of like really fun little things as we go about. Like this flashback, I forgot all about this flashback, but it was such a good one. It is a fun one. Yeah. And it pertains mainly to like the meat of the case, I guess. yeah Yes. Yes.
00:07:04
Speaker
because little Sean has forged Henry's signature on a permission slip very well. Yes, to everyone but Henry. Yeah, of course Henry sees right through it. But it is funny that this principle is like taking Sean's, oh my gosh, like doesn't question Sean really at all. Well, because he says at one point, like, do you really believe a kid Sean's age would do this? And he was like, you don't know my son. Okay.
00:07:29
Speaker
Essentially, Henry being like, you don't know what I've taught him, okay? Relax. Right, yeah. like i've We trained for this, actually. Literally, literally trained for this. I do wonder, is this the first time we've really seen Young Sean get in trouble?
00:07:46
Speaker
with someone other than Henry. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe we're starting to see like his issues with authority um because up until now he has been very like pretty, we've talked about how he's pretty receptive really to Henry and his lessons. yeah yeah He goes along with a lot as a young boy.
Observational Skills and Rivalry
00:08:07
Speaker
um So we're starting to get a taste of those behavioral things that are going to come up.
00:08:13
Speaker
Yeah, and and it was interesting, too, just thinking about this whole scenario, because Sean forged Henry's signature on a permission slip. However, at one point, the assistant principal brings out like three other permission slips that Henry assigned. So why didn't Sean just ask him? like was It seems like Henry would have signed it.
00:08:32
Speaker
Yeah, I guess it did. I don't know. I mean, I guess my assumption watching it was that for whatever reason it was something Henry wouldn't have allowed. They don't really say what it was, they do no they? I guess it's also possible that Sean just forgotten maybe it was due and so he just did it. That's fair. That's a good point.
00:08:53
Speaker
But also then, why would Henry get so mad? I mean, just maybe because of like breaking rules. Principal of it. Yeah, yeah right. thank very Very, very Henry. Well, and and there were some really golden Henry moments in this, like, when the um the assistant principal was like, yeah, it's like, it's not that big of a deal. He was like, well, you're not a handwriting expert.
00:09:15
Speaker
And he was like, well, you know, I did take a, like a JLo. So funny. And Henry's like, that testimony is not going to hold up in court. Okay. In court? Relax. In court. And then he's like, I am a sergeant at the police department. He's just so serious. Oh my God. End the line about them.
00:09:38
Speaker
the end humps. I can tell by the way you turn your end humps that you have a very childlike kindness about you. This school administrator is pretty bold. Oh, very. Like very falsely going up against Henry. Good for him. Yeah. Well, and Henry is like kind of scary on the face. Yeah, like he's no patience for him at all. No, no patience. And you can tell I mean, he's even sitting there. He he looks very agitated. like Yeah, not want to be here. He does not be talking with this guy right now. I can tell you my kid forged this thing. I don't need to prove it to you. And this guy is just like, yeah, it's okay. Yeah, like, it is funny. like No, no.
00:10:28
Speaker
You're wrong. Yeah. And especially in the... Like, if I had a parent, and not just a parent, but a parent who's an officer of the law, come in and be like, my kid forged this, I'd be like, really? Well, you have more expertise than me, so maybe. I mean, regardless, I guess, of the parent, like, in your own signature, you probably do have, you know, like, true. Yeah, if you were a parent, and you saw a signature that wasn't yours, like, you wouldn't know if it wasn't yours, you know, great point. Yeah, you'd be able to identify it. Yeah.
00:11:02
Speaker
But also, I'm like, I feel like I had forged my mom's, the statute of limitations over on that, like in elementary school. Yeah, I think. But also she was like, she would be aware, you know, like she would never like freak out in the way Henry yeah yeah does.
00:11:17
Speaker
um So yeah, I mean, I don't, it's just funny on so many levels because it's like, Henry is taking this way too seriously. Way too seriously. And the administrator's funny and like Sean's just sitting there like,
Law Enforcement Dynamics and Humor
00:11:32
Speaker
yeah it out yeah It's a great point too about like your mom might have been like oh why did you do that but like okay it's all right like it's almost like a ah thing that inevitably happens and then you have to like reset the boundary right yeah well I guess it probably also depends on the relationship you have with your parent because I feel like the scenarios in which I would have done that. She probably was aware before it even happened. Was that you were going to do that? Yeah. Yeah. Like if it was like, oh, we forgot to get your signature. Of course, this was pre-cell phones. So for Sean, he wouldn't have no way of alerting Henry. But they do have a rapport in those early years. So I mean, he is going against Henry. I think based on Henry's reaction, we can
00:12:27
Speaker
ah assume that so maybe it is something that Henry would not have wanted him to do maybe or something he said no to and then Sean it and then he fortunate anyway yeah I could see him doing that that's fair yeah maybe this is where we kind of start to see their hu We'll have to um watch that. That could be on the drinking game too. It's just that every time we say like, oh, let's keep an eye on that. It's true. Literally, I wish everyone could see our list, which is like an entire page long. Thanks for watching.
00:13:01
Speaker
ah I did clock ah some. It needs to be like a sound effect. yeah jupitering That sounds like a lot of work for you in editing. But some t-shirts, some shirt colors in this episode. Right, right. It's so interesting that they come up like every time. If it didn't come up every time, I'd be like, okay, I'm a little crazy. Yeah. But the fact is, it's recurring.
00:13:29
Speaker
Yeah, it's totally a thing. i really want to They definitely have like a palette for each character. Yeah, I really want to talk to the the costume designer, whoever was in charge of that at some point one day, maybe we should have a little wish list.
00:13:45
Speaker
We should. and Keep track of these questions. Yeah. Oh, this is a great idea. Yeah. You're totally right. Because if one day we ever do manage to talk to someone, we'll forget half of the questions. Yeah. We go listen to every single episode again. Oh my God. We would have to. Yes. Maybe one day we'll eventually be able to poll people listening for their questions as well. That would be fun. Yeah. All right. So we get to present day and we are in the police station.
00:14:14
Speaker
The boys have been called in for a KCA boys, especially after last year. Yeah. At least in the beginning where the for the moment. Yeah. Cause a lot happens and I love the little beginning part.
00:14:29
Speaker
where Sean and Gus are walking in and they see, quote unquote, Lassie tying his shoes. And Sean's like singing his little weird thing. What do you think that was funny as he goes, here's Lassiter. And I'm like, yeah it sounds so weird. It does sound so weird, Lassiter. But then he addresses him as Lassie. Yes, of course. So it's funny that there's like, and not really code switch, but just like this, i like,
00:14:53
Speaker
It's still, maybe at this point it's still like the nickname is to rib him a little bit and it hasn't become like a term of integument in the way it is later where he's only referred to as he is Lassie. yeah Yeah, I would totally agree with you there. In the case of, I mean, we've talked about the nicknames too, how Sean kind of uses the nicknames in ah in a couple of different ways. But yeah, I think it is like a, I don't want to say demeaning, but kind of like, a oh, it's going to make you feel weird. And I'm like, it makes you feel weird. Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, maybe a little demeaning, like definitely like to undermine him a bit. Yeah. Undermine him. That's the word. Yes. Undermining. Absolutely.
00:15:32
Speaker
But turns out, it's not Lassie. It's our special agent Lars Ewing, which I thought was a very interesting name, Lars. And that's Blue Diamond Phillips, ah which who is referenced, I feel like, in the show. In the episode? Not in the episode, but in general, I feel like he totally like it other times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, he's totally referenced at some point in the show without a doubt.
00:15:56
Speaker
I definitely didn't, I didn't catch it in the episode. Yeah, that would probably be weird. Cause we just had like, oh that's true and holes. We can't play those games. Nope. We can't, can't have the universe implode. That would be very, very bad.
00:16:11
Speaker
And I thought it was kind of funny that they, um, that they mistook Ewing for Lassie. I mean, you know, they're both of like a similar build and I guess they both wear suits and like, you know, nice pairs of shoes. And to be fair, he was sitting next to like Lassie's desk, tying the shoes. Yeah. Well, we do see throughout the episode, like Lassie and Sean kind of.
00:16:34
Speaker
unite against a common enemy a little bit. Oh yeah. So they are kind of in the same position where there's this like super lassie and a super Sean, you know? Yeah. This duo coming in. So yeah maybe that initial. Oh, is the setup for that? Yeah. Like yeah this guy is here as like a really replacement, but like to one up lassie. Yeah.
00:16:57
Speaker
Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, I i totally think you're right. We're gonna just show you how loud. Yeah, she just said it up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Which I mean, and we even get that in the first couple of moments where they interact and he like pulls out all these different things and you can tell Lassie's
Gadgets and Comedic Rivalries
00:17:11
Speaker
like, Oh um my God. What? What? Trying to get him. In the beginning, Lassie is very cute about it. like Oh, yeah. He's just excited. Absolutely. And it almost seems like he's trying to like win him over like can get on his good side. you know Yeah, which I feel like he does that a lot, you know, like people in authority. Yeah, exactly. Like in the first in the pilot is he kind of like that with them the murderer who ends up being the murderer. Oh, yeah. Because the very rich, powerful Santa Barbara guy. Yeah. So, yeah, I do feel like he he tries to like
00:17:52
Speaker
kind of peacock a little bit when outsiders come in who are yeah cool. Yeah, and i think I think too this, you know, I don't know if they outright state it, but I could totally see that being like an aspiration for Lassie to like one day. working Yeah, i mean he's super ambitious yeah within his own department. But yeah, that makes sense that he would think about like, you know, that's probably like,
00:18:16
Speaker
You know, the big show. Yeah, I'd roll for law enforcement. yeah Yeah, traveling everywhere. They've already been all across the country chasing the sky. Definitely seen some gadgets that she clearly is impressed with and like the suit that seems blacker than black. Yes, yeah and the Mildred, you know. like That's like my favorite bit of the episode probably. I love that one. This stenographer like it's just so silly and like I feel like this guy is a very fun like send up of these kind of characters who yeah who are like he's so stoic and like clearly thinks like has clearly has a big ego and like takes um his work very seriously but in a way that's like
00:19:06
Speaker
ridiculous. yeah yeah feel like Mildred is a great example of that. um but Yeah, it is a fun, fun character. Yeah. The whole little group of them is, it's fun. It's like interesting to see them interact with each other. And I love the the one little bit they have before they get into the office where Ewing says something along the lines of yeah I can feel it down in my federal bones. I'm not familiar with the federal bone. All that ripping is all that riffing is so good. so go like I wrote down just like
00:19:48
Speaker
Ewing says like he's there for a meeting and Charles is there for a meeting and goes on and on and he's like, is this what you're wearing? This is so funny. And I feel like Sean, I don't know if he like and knows that he's like, like if he's already getting into competition mode, but it it does feel like he is, he riffs too disarmed to like yeah hold the power still. Like that's how he can control the situation. Yeah, absolutely. like This is his turf and he's gonna roast this guy a bit before...
00:20:19
Speaker
Yeah, before he even knows what's going on. Yeah, really. Yeah, he doesn't even really know that they're going to be working together. But yeah, once he as he starts to figure that out, he like really messes with him. Yeah, totally. And for our other main guest of the episode, who Sean meets by like, I guess, observing her. He should see the hot girl like we I feel like this was also like the return of Casanova, Sean. We haven't seen him as much. Yeah, not not for a while. When was the... Yeah, well, I mean, the last couple of episodes, there really weren't any female guest stars. Yeah. Unless we're talking about, I mean, maybe scary Sherry when he's with all the sorority girls.
00:21:05
Speaker
Oh, that's true. But even in that, like he's not overt about things, I feel like. No, because Jules is there. Yeah, and he's really, since dating episode, really like thinking about Jules, I feel like already.
00:21:22
Speaker
Yeah, and so it is interesting for him to like to see him be like, oh, hot woman in the police station. like It's funny that he goes after her like immediately. like he has She could be...
00:21:34
Speaker
anyway i mean know But we we do see him talk to people in the police station, kind of maybe with that in mind. like She could be anybody. She could be related to it she could be ah related to a victim. like She could have information that will serve him at some point. right yeah So maybe it's also that.
00:21:53
Speaker
Yeah, it could be. I mean, I think that would make the most sense that he he has to pull something off of her right now to maybe use later to his advantage, not knowing how she connects.
00:22:07
Speaker
to the case at hand, which how could he? I mean, he's ironically psychic, but you know, how could he? Yeah. I
Lindsay's Manipulation and Shawn's Misjudgment
00:22:15
Speaker
mean, I guess that's kind of part of his technique is that he does just yeah talk to everybody and he pulls information from everybody and just kind of like has it in the back of his head and then it may serve him later. Yeah.
00:22:28
Speaker
makes sense. And he knows that this other stranger isn't part of this thing that he's also going to be a part of. So maybe like there is a sense of like maybe she'll be involved too. Right. But of course she's playing him right back. Yeah, which was interesting to watch.
00:22:42
Speaker
It is, yeah. Especially knowing what's going to happen, which is, she is the psychic. I wrote this like instant cringe when I see her. I know, I know. Or see like I see her, you know, on the phone initially and I'm like, is she talking to the forger? Oh, she very well may be. And he's, and he like runs past her and runs back and like, Sean, no, don't do it, Sean. And then she's just like smiling at him like, we were so cute. Yeah, this is another like, we also have talked in recent episodes like Scary Sherry comes to mind of like, Sean not reading people very well.
00:23:23
Speaker
Yeah. And like this is kind of one of those moments where he really misses something big big. Yeah. And maybe it is because she's playing him. Like, I mean, one would hope that he could kind of see through something like that. But like in Scary Sherry when Alice, like we talked about how he didn't pick up on Alice. Yeah. Very early. um Despite her kind of showing her cards a little more than maybe she intended. And and then I'm also thinking of like in the poker episode where the kid kind of plays him and then he's like, he's actually a really good poker player. Yeah.
00:24:00
Speaker
I wonder if part of that, I wonder if part of that is Sean just believes that he's so far ahead of everyone else, that sometimes he doesn't give other people the credit of like, oh, I see what you're doing, kind of. Fatal fluff, hubris. Yes, exactly.
00:24:24
Speaker
So I wonder if maybe that's it because I think if he took a moment and just went like, why? Like what's going on with this lady kind of a thing? I do think he would have been able to figure out that she was a little condescending.
00:24:37
Speaker
She's very smug. Yeah, smug. That is a good word. because She's very smug. Yeah. um That's a good point though. Like, cause I'm also thinking like later in the episode, he's very caught up in his like, in kind of having lost that he doesn't even like remember that he had her in the hotel room. Like Gus has to say that cause he's like so beside himself at basically having, you know, been shown up, yeah so which is kind of like the opposite where it's like at this point, he's so caught up in being like, like you're saying, like ahead of everybody else, he's not even seeing somebody who's
00:25:17
Speaker
playing him as well. Yeah. And then later it's like kind of a reverse of that. yeah and especially if we're going off the in this episode. so part Part of the thing that we established pretty early in this episode is that neither one of them is really psychic. like she She makes a couple of comments. Well, I wrote that down. like yeah is she like What is her deal? She says, I don't know if I wrote it down, like the exact wording of it, but she said somewhere
00:25:52
Speaker
She said somewhere in there, essentially like let the games begin. Like I'm gonna, like I'm going to figure this out kind of a thing. Right. Well, she says, I wrote down part of it. I'm going to, well, suddenly I'm going to solve the case and then I'm going to prove your fake.
00:26:06
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Which I feel like is like the first like throwdown that we've seen where somebody's like, I'm going to discredit you. I'm going to be too. Yeah. oh and Which is going to become like a a whole other little mini thing later on about discrediting.
00:26:22
Speaker
um But yeah, I feel like there, why didn't I write it down? I feel like there was another point too that made me go like, oh, got it. Like neither one of them. Like she knows that Sean's a fake, but like so is she. Like she also is just kind of observing. I mean, I feel like in the world of the show, I don't think the show necessarily believes that psychics exist at all. So I think we can make that assumption that she's a fake. Yeah.
00:26:51
Speaker
but at the same time, like, I'm curious, like what she thinks about like, there are moments like where she does make some observations that are could be helpful, like when they're locating like the hotel and like, or maybe she knows at that point where he is, it's hard to say to like, what does she know? And what does she not know? Well, I i think she knows everything because they are partners. So like she's been to the hotel, she's met with the guy, she knows what he looks like, she knows that he goes to whatever, whatever, right? So I think i think she knows all of that. Really, her game here is when to disseminate the information to other people. But I think if Sean, knowing, okay, let's see if I can get this out right.
00:27:35
Speaker
Sean, knowing that she's a fake, that she's not actually psychic, similarly to him, she can't just pull random bits of information out of the air, like there has to be a clue for it, right? There are a couple things that she mentions that she cannot have ascertained without having met him and he gets there eventually at the end but if he like took a second like we're kind of saying here if he took a second and like stepped back and went okay maybe she is just as good as I think she is and oh she isn't psychic he would have been able to realize that oh she's in on it faster than he did like the scar the ear the whatever right um or them going to the exact Lamborghini you know dealership yeah that they went to well I could see him being like
00:28:22
Speaker
thrown in the beginning just by her presence and like her role in the whole thing that that would kind of drop the ball in some of those things. But another thing that kind of throws me with her is that she, like just the story of how she became in cahoots with this counterfeiter guy is that she met him at the last, like when they almost caught him before, that's when she met him. So it's like she was already a practicing fake psychic at the Treasury Department or whatever. Yeah.
00:28:50
Speaker
presumably. so my question well Right. Well, I guess then it begs the question, here's what I've always wondered about this episode. Is this her first case that she's worked with them or has she been working with them for a while? Because if she's been
Cat-and-Mouse Game: Fake Psychic Showdown
00:29:03
Speaker
working with them for a while, then yeah, she's definitely like Sean, just a good detective who is working under the guise of being a psychic. Yeah. Well, she does mention like when he caught like he has his vision when in their little meet cute about like how she just recently took up guitar.
00:29:20
Speaker
Oh, yes. And then when she's kind of like owning him, she's like, that's it a guitar callous thing. Yeah, that's the thing that that. Yeah. So it's like she's also observe observing things and making deductions. And that's kind of her game. Yeah, I think that's what made me think that she's just like Sean, that deduction thing. That does make sense. And it it does create a really interesting dynamic for them. Yeah. Both because, you know,
00:29:48
Speaker
they are both being fake psychics and they know that the other is a fake psychic. But neither of them are going to admit. No, of course not. Like, it's really like their mind meld scene thing. And it's like really interesting. Like, yeah so is they're both like, in this game of playing each other. Uh huh. But it's like, what are you thinking right now? And like, you know, obviously, they're, I mean,
00:30:12
Speaker
I don't know, sometimes we talk about maybe Sean is a witch and a psychic to some extent. So maybe um they are reading each other's minds a little bit, but like probably they're being wrong about what the other is thinking. But they're both like playing along with it because they can't ruin the game. like It's such an interesting dynamic.
00:30:32
Speaker
Yeah. It's so interesting. And even when she's like, okay, we have to, we have to work together. Like, is this what, just what a psychic detective agency looks like? We have to work together now. They're like sitting there and Gus is like staring at them and they're almost like looking into each other's eyes. Yeah. I think is really interesting. Yeah. Cause like, yeah. If we assume that both of them are like, we are,
00:30:56
Speaker
like, playing up a charade right now. Like, it's yeah it is very silly that they're both like, yeah, carrying this out if they're both like, you know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, we're not, we're fake. Yeah. And when there's no one else around when it's literally just the two of them and Gus who already knows that we're fake.
00:31:16
Speaker
Yeah, but I guess like ultimately maybe they they really can't like come out and say that and then by the end Sean is like kind of tells her like you are giving us a bad name so like he never suggests that he is not a psychic. Yeah, I thought that was so interesting and very smart of him to use her fake psychicness as a means of further declaring his psychicness. Yeah, that's true. Because it would have been really easy for them to just go, she's fake, so he's fake too. And he's like, you're a bad name. Now, everyone's going to think that all psychics are fake. Well, yeah, Sean.
00:31:54
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and he did beat her. So like that helps also. Totally. Like, yeah I mean, we're like all over the place. Like I love this scene in the hotel room when like when he ah reveals that like how much more money like that's such an exciting scene. And like
Chief Vick's Competitive Nature
00:32:14
Speaker
it's so nice after like you know watching Shawn and Gus like play tag along with this group the whole time. like It's so nice to see him get ahead of them. Yeah, it's nice to see them like back on yeah back on the 8 ball that feels wrong, but you know. mean back Back in the swing of things? Sure.
00:32:35
Speaker
exactly That feels right coming out of my mouth.
00:32:40
Speaker
Yeah. And I thought it was a good episode too for, you know, we've been talking about the, the Sean and Lindsay dynamics and the Lassie and Ewing dynamics, but I also thought it was really great for like Vic and Jules just to see Vic there being like, this is our turf. We can't get stood up on our turf. Yeah. She's so good. Like we
Awkward Dynamics and Protective Instincts
00:33:00
Speaker
were seeing that competitiveness that we, that comes up. it's time feel Yeah. yeah Totally. um Yeah, that is really fun. And then, yeah, Ewing and Jules. Oh my gosh. he I mean, he's a creep. I was gonna say, also kind of makes me cringe. Yeah. Like I don't want Ewing who's, yeah, like a creep hitting on our Juliet. Stop that. I know. And it's funny because like sometimes Jules seems creeped out by it and sometimes she seems like really on board. So it's hard to read her.
00:33:33
Speaker
like the final scene when he walks out. Yeah. I mean, he looks great. That's true. He does. And he's got, you know, cool tattoos and like, ah you know, whatever. Anyway, he's glistening. But then the scene before that, when or I guess it's a couple of scenes before that, when the forgers found murdered and he says something um about like accolades and I don't remember, but it was something about how like he was saying how we don't have to accept accolades, but I'll just take a hug, a tiny hug. And both Vic and Jules are like, ew. And Vic escorts Juliet away. He is a creep, for sure. Yeah, it's really, really strange. Very strange dynamic. But it's interesting. It's interesting to see all of that too. you know And Vic being protective over Jules. Yeah, true. Which we were going to kind of get a little bit as
00:34:30
Speaker
James Roday Rodriguez mentioned in the Scary Sherry psychologists are in podcast. That was quite a long sentence. care There was going to be some commentary on like being women and we have to like, yeah, a little bit more on top of our game. But that also I think gives off the sense of like Vic being protective over jewels. So i it was nice to to see that too, even the little bits of it that we got. So Yeah, I mean, that is a good point because like, that this man in a position of authority being so overtly like flirtatious with her and like, in like a very unsettling way, like, kind of she didn't honestly, yeah, if she didn't have anybody there, like to kind of back her that could
00:35:19
Speaker
Like, I mean, if it could just be a very uncomfortable situation for a very yeah hostile work environment. So it is nice that like Vic is there to have her back. Yeah. Yeah. Especially when Lassie was dealing with his own stuff. Probably
Shawn and Henry: Complex Father-Son Relationship
00:35:34
Speaker
wasn't even paying any attention. And it was kind of cool getting to see Vic like go around town with them. And I guess yeah she was doing that because it's like a high but profile case and a federal, another federal body was involved. So i'm I'm sure she wants to like have eyes on it or whatever it makes sense. But it's fun to see them like at the Home Depot. Yeah, all together. You know, I do love that walk and talk like when they're going to I think they're going to Home Depot and like yeah you have
00:36:03
Speaker
Ewing and Lycan and then right behind them, our whole gang and all of them just look like unsettled by this situation. They're like, it is fun. They're like kind of us versus them. Yeah, it's cute. Well, and that is essentially the whole episode is that very like, we're, we have to figure this out before them. We can't let them be the good guys here, even though really they're all on the same team at the end of the day. They're all just trying to find the forger, but Um, but yeah. So they get to the local home depot where our forger was last seen giving money.
00:36:41
Speaker
or giving, I suppose, fake money, forged money. Yeah, using it. As legal tender, as they say in the episode. And Lassie just keeps trying to like make a good impression on this guy. He's like such a little puppy dog until. He's funny. Yeah, until he's just like, oh, got it. We are not the same. And then they're trying to really love each other too. and yeah i Yeah, I feel like he gets like frustrated too by that not working like yeah the slights yeah yeah yeah because um yui is kind of mean to him and then also like leaves him out of things like yeah of course because he's a creep calls jewels instead so creepy it is really yeah i mean because jewels didn't it would be one thing if like jewels gave him her number and then he called and maybe he was like overzealous and then that's creepy but like at least jewels gave him her number she didn't do that he just found it somehow
00:37:39
Speaker
Yeah. Which is like super creepy and possibly an abuse of power. Yeah, I think, yeah. Using this girl. Very odd guy. Yeah, kind of strange. And it's the same thing here. Like, you know, he's kind of very abrasive with this cashier who just seems like he's trying to help. And Ewan keeps telling him to not talk.
00:38:07
Speaker
What? Can we relax a little bit please? He's a witness. He's trying his best. He didn't know that that one guy was going to be a forger. Just a whole other thing. Being a witness to something is very difficult. Yeah, actually, this is kind of a nice like portrayal of that because I always think like how is it possible that these people are able to do like sketches and like, like who, especially in a customer service position when you are dealing with
00:38:40
Speaker
You know, people that are just passing through. I can't imagine being like, oh yeah, this one person who I said two words to. Yeah. I mean, eyewitness testimony already is really difficult to ensure is a hundred percent accurate, right? Because there's so many things that impact your memory. Whether that is immediately after, you know, having the interaction with this person or whether that's actually in the attempt to identify them.
00:39:10
Speaker
Regardless, one of the big things that ensures that your memory is going to be better is a knowledge that you need to be paying attention to something. right It seems sensical, seems like obvious. But if, for example, again, I used to teach psychology when I was up at the high school. When I was teaching the kids about memory, if I said, pay attention to this thing, very important. I'm going to ask you a question on this in five minutes.
00:39:31
Speaker
They go ding, ding, pay attention, right? But if I don't tell them to pay attention to a random student that walked into the room, gave me something, and then left, the likelihood that they're going to remember those pieces of information is far less. So I think here, like you're saying, we get a very accurate, or a much more accurate portrayal of what it's like to just have people be like, what was this person? what what How tall were they? What hair color did they have? Did they wear glasses? like All these very intense details that you might remember or you might get mixed up with someone else who was in that day. You know, who who knows? yeah He was just trying his best. Yeah. And even like just thinking about this, not that it is really highlighted in the scene or anything, but like it really um just shows how impressive Sean is too. Like Sean clocks.
00:40:26
Speaker
every single detail about every single person. And yeah like, I mean, like the, you know, picking up that dialogue of like the about the coffee, like he's got that in the back of his mind. So that when it is kind of triggered later, like he has that Yeah, he can make that connection. It's really impressive, really, really impressive. And I think part of it is maybe just, like we've kind of talked about, natural gift. Like he maybe just deep down is really kind of a witch. um You know, cause some people do have idetic memories and they can remember ridiculously, ridiculously specific details of different things. and I don't know how much of it, like I don't really know.
00:41:11
Speaker
how much you can train your memory. I know some people do some really crazy things, um, with their memory. Yeah. But you know, yeah, I don't, I don't know. I guess from like a legitimate in the real world standpoint, if you didn't have this inclination, could you really train yourself to be that hyper observant? I don't know. Yeah. Well, it would be interesting. like I don't think they ever say explicitly what kind of like, um, I did a memory or whatever John has.
00:41:40
Speaker
Because his mom very specifically says she remembers everything she hears, yes I believe. Yes, she does at one point. um But we don't really get the detail of like what exactly Sean remembers. like He clearly has a very, you know for visuals, like we see him do that. yeah um But with that example, with the coffee conversation, like that's something he heard. so I mean, maybe him being, you know, his mother and his father's child, yeah he has like a super, memory super Multiple dimensions.
00:42:17
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it would make sense. Considering all the crazy things he could do, that that is the case. He's just really, really great at gathering all this information and stalking it in the rain for long periods of time. Makes sense. So while we're at the Home Depot, Sean and Gus decide to veer off into the body of the store. And Sean starts his regular Sean antics, which is getting on top of a forklift and raising it to the top. right moment It reminds me of the dinosaur, like outside the morgue window. like yeah very slowly rising yeah
00:42:51
Speaker
Absolutely. And it was such like a Sean move, like the pose that he has when he's rising. Yeah. The speed at which it was right. Like, of course, the first thing he would think of when walking into a home, people would get on top of the forklift. And in the midst of being on the forklift, we also see Henry, which I'm sure this is one of Henry's favorite spots because he's. ah natural happened Yeah. And it's so cute to see him there, like with his list and his glasses. I was like, it was so.
00:43:19
Speaker
henry And he asks, or I guess rather tells Sean that he needs to be over the house um because he wants him to do something. And Sean's like, meh, do I have to? Henry goes, well, I've helped you on the last 12 cases. So yeah.
00:43:38
Speaker
Yeah, right? And Shango said, did I really agree to that Gus? And Gus is like, well, you know, he goes, Gus? Yeah, I love seeing Gus intimidated by Henry. Well, I'm sure like, when you're very young, and you have like a very, very close friend, I was like a family friend, you spend so much time over their house, I feel like their parents almost become like your part time surrogate parent. So I'm sure when Henry was like, gloss,
00:44:04
Speaker
Yeah. This is like, no, dad, okay. That's funny. Aww, Can't upset the Henry. It's very cute. It's very like lived in. Yeah, like always. I just love it so much. Yeah, it's just so comforting. All their relationships, even when they're kind of going awry, just to know that they've been like at this for so long is ah so comforting.
00:44:27
Speaker
I also liked the little joke, like when Henry asks what he's doing there. And Sean, I think he says we're making a case. Oh yeah. Oh, and speaking of how he's like a federal, federal agent. I love that Sean calls Ewing special. Hey, special. So good. So cute. Everyone has to have a nickname. yeah and has to be and oh And then we go to our favorite guy.
00:44:57
Speaker
Go to the security guy. Sweet little Garrison. Sweet little Garrison. Everybody who works in this hub depot is just doing their best. exactly Yeah, exactly. Garrison is just doing his best. watching the cameras, looking for anything suspicious. And we find out some very interesting information when we get to Garrison, which is that he's already seen a psychic. He was there last night, federal lady. We're like, oh, what? And I do love the bit where, well, because when Shawn and Gus walk in there, they greet him as Garrison because he has a name tag on and he's like, oh, and then Shawn's like, well, I'm his psychic. Yeah.
00:45:35
Speaker
and When he talks about Lindsay, he's like, she also knew my name was Harrison. He's so cute. Again, just trying his best. Yeah. And then he's like, you know, that pretty lady looked at the cameras and she couldn't see anything. So if she couldn't see anything, I bet you can't see anything. And he's like, my process is different, bud. Don't worry. I'm going to try it. We'll see what I find. And Sean Clocks, the keys.
00:46:07
Speaker
That our forger is driving some form of Nissan, which he will bit on later. He's driving some form of Nissan and we, he also noticed that we never get a straight shot of his face. So the guy clearly smart. Yeah. Knew what he was doing, which honestly, how do people do that without walking into a store? Like if you've never been into a store before, how do you know where all the cameras are? Well, yeah, I don't know.
00:46:38
Speaker
Or even like, when you're walking into a store, I feel like they always have a camera right on the door. You're telling me this guy like walked in with hand over face or like backwards? Or maybe just like bowed low. Oh, fair. He didn't have a hat on, right? Oh, maybe. I don't remember. I feel like if I were him, I would have a hat on. Hot sunglasses, scar if you were embarrassing me. Camouflage.
00:47:06
Speaker
Yeah, so we don't really get too much about him, which I think this was like the, this should have been the first kind of tip off to Sean and maybe it was somewhere like tickling the very back of his brain. But we get back, I get, I'm going to say downstairs because I don't know where the security office is. It does seem like it's downstairs or like they're upstairs. Yeah. And maybe that's just cause the forklift cause we were hiding. Maybe. I feel like I felt the same thing. Right. Okay. Yeah. You know, maybe, and maybe that's just the idea of like surveilling.
00:47:35
Speaker
Yeah, maybe the points of view of the cameras. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Anyway, so we go back downstairs, as we imagine in our brains. And we catch back up with everybody still at the secure still at the desk. Poor guy. Poor guy. I feel so bad for him. And he's still in good spirits the whole time. Like, nope, I didn't, you know, I don't remember that. Nope, I don't remember that either. Couldn't tell you sorry. And This is the point where Lindsay pulls out these very specific pieces of information about our forger which is there's like a three inch scar on his jawline and he wears a singular diamond stud in his left ear. Yeah, way too specific. Way too specific, which
00:48:23
Speaker
I mean, I guess maybe in the moment, Sean, well, I don't- Well, it's way too specific if she's a fake. It's way too specific if she's a fake. In theory, if you were a psychic, maybe you would get a sure a visualization of yeah the culprit or whatever.
00:48:41
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I was thinking maybe he could say to himself, like maybe in a past city, they saw part of his face and she clocked the earring. She's pointing it out now. Like I guess, but like the scar. But even that would be tricky of her. Yeah. Because the Treasury Department doesn't seem to have any. True. Oh, good point. Anything on him as far as what he looks like. Yeah. So it's, it's the whole thing shady.
00:49:11
Speaker
the It all doesn't really make sense that she can pull this out. But, I mean, yeah, maybe he is just he being shown just like so thrown by her. He like.
00:49:24
Speaker
Doesn't know what to think, really. Yeah. He's a little disoriented. He doesn't have like a read on her yet. Right. That's fair. I mean, she's certainly trying her best to stay as unreadable as possible. I guess you can say. Cause she's the slippery one. Is that all we get at the Home Depot?
00:49:46
Speaker
Yeah, well, we do have that moment, which we didn't really mention, like where before she comes in with the scar and stuff, Sean says, he's getting that. he The guy didn't wear corrective lenses. And Vic's like, I'm very good, like something to go on. Because they're just trying to yeah be on the winning team here. and then And then Lindsay comes in with her very specific information and makes Sean look a fool. And so maybe ah that is at the point where they kind of are like,
00:50:15
Speaker
start to push Sean and Gus out a little bit? I think so, yeah. Because- They're not really needed. Yeah, it makes sense if she's pulling all of this really specific, like good detailed information, why would they need Sean and Gus? Just from like a logistic standpoint. Yeah. So I i mean, i I get it. They do bring a lot of silliness that may be like,
00:50:43
Speaker
They do. With the seriousness of this matter. That's fair. If they're not being helpful, then they're kind of like, hmm. Yeah, do we need them around? Yeah, that's a good point. wait Yeah. But I think, you know, the silliness, it's it's always nice to have a little bit of levity. Absolutely. I mean, I'm team silliness, but yeah.
00:51:04
Speaker
um and Well, and like our main guy here, Ewing, who is ultimately leading this investigation is very anti-silly. Very anti-silly. It's really quite sad how anti-silly he is. And then, oh, Sean flirts with Lindsay a little maybe. Oh, okay. Yes. I have noted the return of Casanova Sean, which we already talked about. I can't remember what happens in this particular moment. Oh, maybe he kind of like,
00:51:33
Speaker
is like, why don't we team up a little bit? And she's like, ah no we don't need to. I got it. Yeah. He's definitely taken a liking to her, which is interesting. I don't know if that's because he, well, okay. So I think run with me here for a second. I wonder.
00:51:59
Speaker
I don't remember if we've talked about this yet. If we have, just tell me to stop talking. I wonder if before Jules, Shawn's like relationship with women was really just like an attraction based thing. Cause I was going to say, does Shawn like actually like this woman? I don't think he cares though, if he likes this woman. I think he's just like attracted to Lindsay and is there for hitting on her. But I think when Jules comes around,
00:52:29
Speaker
Sean like genuinely likes Jules as a person. Yeah. Well, I'm thinking of his, is it his actual proposal speech? Um, when he says like, I have a motorcycle, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I'm thinking about getting a car. And I feel like those two things are kind of, yeah you know, like right now he's motorcycle Sean. He is. Though we've seen it like twice. Right.
00:52:58
Speaker
um but Yeah. And in the metaphor for his love life, be like, yeah, he's just cruising. Just doesn't really have, it's not stable. It's not built for two. Just passing through. Well, so in in this case, then I wonder, is he apart from like the emotional connection?
00:53:24
Speaker
Is he hitting on her because he's attracted to her or because he like wants to stay in the case? Or is it both? I mean, both. I think um that like the way you phrased that, like to stay in the case. like that's Interesting. Cause I'm like thinking it like, is it like, does he want to win? But maybe he doesn't really care if he wins at this point. Like he doesn't know they're not on the same side for one. Right. So he, yeah, like maybe he does just want to stay in the game and she has proven herself to be very effective. So, and that seems to be attractive to him too. Somebody who is good at stuff. I mean, that's attractive, I think to anybody, but, um,
00:54:16
Speaker
Yeah, so I think that appeals to him. And yeah, he doesn't really, he's not, he doesn't seem skeptical of her at all really yet. Do you think? i I don't think he seems skeptical of her as a part of this. I think he, I want to say he also knows that she's not actually a psychic, but I don't think he, I don't think he knows that she's in cahoots with the guy yet.
00:54:44
Speaker
I don't think that really comes till later. Yeah, and really being a fake psychic, he would have no moral qualms with that because he is one too. He is a fake psychic. It's all he knows. It's the thing he does best.
00:55:03
Speaker
ah yeah and there's um there's even a Align the last scene we get with Henry in this episode, which I was going to kind of bring up because you brought up the whole someone who's like good at stuff. You know, it's it's interesting. I think, yeah, I think anyone is is kind of a attracted to like an ambitious person who is good at the stuff that they do. But it's so interesting coming from Sean who has like not held a job for more than a couple months. That's true. Yeah.
00:55:30
Speaker
And it's not necessarily super fantastic at anything, but it's really like a jack of all trades kind of a guy. um And we get that at the end with Henry essentially saying like, hey, she bested you.
00:55:43
Speaker
She's the winner, you're the loser. It sucks to suck. Such a funny. Yeah, I don't expect you to be doing this for more than another year. And I'm proud of you. So you don't have to continue to do this if you don't want to. Yeah, that's a great seat. Like, do we want to unpack that scene now that we're talking about it? Sure. Come on, Vivian. Because I love, so like from the start of like, but Henry's like, what do you want me to say?
00:56:12
Speaker
topic. I don't know. And then we rattle soft. every platitude about being a loser that he could possibly come up with. And Sean's like, you know, I could list like the eight things that I would want you to say, like, none of those would be it. None of those, yeah. This is so funny. And again, you get this, you know, the text the texture of all the relationships here. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're a quitter. You've always been a quitter. And Sean was like, what do you mean? And he goes, you quit bassoon in eighth grade because whatever, whatever. And he was like, you just have that in your back pocket? Like, so good.
00:56:45
Speaker
do Yeah, and I do love that because we talk a lot about how Henry just does not know how to communicate with Sean. He doesn't know how to handle him. He doesn't know how to like tell him he loves him or whatever. I feel like this is a fascinating scene of Henry really trying. Really trying. Like he is, yeah, like the way he says like, I see, I accept you for who you are. Yes, yes.
00:57:09
Speaker
He thinks that that's what he needs to convey to Jean. And in some ways he probably does need to convey that. yeah But it is funny in the context of like, you know you should quit because you quit everything and I'm okay with that. I've come to terms with that. Yeah. ah hey I also wondered if it was like a little bit of reverse psychology, maybe.
00:57:33
Speaker
Or do you think Henry really wants him to stop? I mean in the last episode we did see Henry stage an intervention. So maybe he just wants him to stop. I mean I don't think deep down Henry wants him to stop because I think this is ultimately what Henry's always wanted for Sean. Sean's just going about it in a very Sean way as we've as we've said.
00:57:53
Speaker
i I think the last episode was more just like safety concerns, like you are being very um erratic and it's going to cause you to get hurt. I wonder, I almost think this is like coming back to to what you were just saying. Henry not knowing how to handle Sean and in in this moment he thought he was doing the right thing.
00:58:22
Speaker
But even in doing what he thought was the right thing, he was doing the wrong thing for Sean. Yeah. Yeah. Cause like ah Sean has come to him struggling with the case before, but it's never been about being bested by somebody else. Correct. And so maybe like knowing Sean, he thinks that's going to be. Right. Like the end then. Cause like he knows that Sean loves to be ahead of everybody else. He loves to win, all that kind of stuff. And so he thinks that this is gonna be what, like like this draw that broke the camel's back or whatever. right So he's like giving him permission to quit. um But I do think it's really sweet too that like Sean, like I think Henry says, you're not gonna be working at the police department any year. And Sean's like, you don't know that.
00:59:13
Speaker
He actually wants to stick this out. He really likes what he's doing. He's getting to be full fledged. Crazy true Sean. like He doesn't have to be anything other than himself and he gets to use his gift.
00:59:29
Speaker
i mean I think what happened here was probably also really like hard for Henry. As you said, he was really trying because really what he's saying here is, I know I've trained you to do this your entire life. I know this is what I've always wanted from you, but if you don't want to do it, I'm okay with that. That's true. Like this is kind of huge for Henry. Yeah. ah and It seems sincere. it did It really did. It really did seem sincere. Which is like, you know, it has a very soft side of Henry. I feel like we're not yeah ah we're not seeing all the time. I like to see it. We like to see really just like, it also just kind of comes out of nowhere. I feel like all these really intense like, you know, shot ah dad and son moments in this show, they like, they run by very quick. If you're not like, really paying attention, kind of like the references, you know, and you're not really paying attention, you're like, Oh, okay, Henry told him he's proud of them. But then when you look at it, you're like, Oh, crud nuggets. Like, what? Yeah.
01:00:40
Speaker
Like, Oh my God. Yeah. Well, I mean, cause their relationship is so much like the fabric of the show. Like, yeah. Yeah. I mean, every interaction in some way is sort of like a huge deal. Yeah. I mean, if not for Henry and Sean, this show would literally not be able to have so true. And it is funny that like, you know, we talk, ah Maybe we've kind of already said this, but just thinking about like how Henry, we do talk about how Henry doesn't know how. like He doesn't ever do the right thing, or like he he doesn't know how to tell Sean what Sean needs to hear, and like this is another example of that. But in this situation, like what he is telling Sean is like
01:01:35
Speaker
a very like, generous thing. Yeah, but it's also not what Sean, it's still not what Sean needs to hear. Yeah. Well, and I guess that, you know, I, I am not a parent. However, I feel like I've heard from from my parents, that as a parent, you try your best.
01:01:55
Speaker
Do what you think your kids need, but at the end of the day, even trying your best, even doing what you think they need might not be what's right by them. And you kind of just have to live with that. And I feel like this.
01:02:08
Speaker
encompasses that idea so well. and Even in thinking, ah yeah yeah, I'm doing this very generous thing. I am like trying to to take the responsibility off of Sean. I'm not trying to pressure him. I'm trying to just allow him to be as he is. Yeah, it's like very evolved. It's coming from a Henry who has like worked on himself and thought about what Sean means and like is trying to do what is right for him and still.
01:02:36
Speaker
But it's also interesting because it's like, Because I think I said like it's not what Sean needs to hear, but maybe it is what Sean needs to hear, but it's not what Sean wants to hear. But air because hearing that, it also could be like, because like for Sean to say like you don't know that I'm not going to be working there any year, it's like kind of like telling him to fight for it if that's what he wants. Right.
01:03:00
Speaker
Like as much as Henry is saying don't or like you can give up, it's okay. Like yeah Sean hearing that is like, I don't want to give up. And so like, maybe that's just as important. Yeah, yeah. I kind of wonder where Sean's giving up comes from. Like is it that he gives up because he doesn't really like the thing and like he just realized he didn't really like the thing he doesn't want to do anymore? Does he give up because like Henry says he wants to be the best and when he's not the best like he doesn't want to fight for it? Or is it just that? Is it that like at this point
01:03:33
Speaker
He's not willing to give up because he really is the best. Like he is genuinely so good at this. And this is something that he's been training for his entire life, as we've discussed. Like it's not something quite as flippant, I guess, as all these other like jobs that he's had or these, you know, random instruments that he picks up or or whatnot, you know? So to, to give up on something like this, like it's more, it says something more about him.
01:04:03
Speaker
You know what I mean? Then like yeah the other things. Yeah. And I mean, maybe there's something more psychologically deep, but I also think that like what he wants is to have fun and to be having fun. And so like, like, you know, last week he talked about working in the natural Wyoming natural history yeah working weekend. And it's like he had fun and then he got fired and Right. You know? Why? Why do you brush his hands of that or whatever? yeah um But like with this, it's so perfect for him. It's like, it is always fun. I mean, not always fun, but it's always new and interesting and like he will never, like it will never be the same. No day will ever be the same. And like that is what he needs. Like in terms of like,
01:04:55
Speaker
stimulation because his mind is yeah so ahead of everything. like And he loves puzzles, he loves getting to the truth, and it's like he is just thriving in this. yeah So I think he doesn't want to give that up.
01:05:09
Speaker
yeah yeah and i get yeah i get what you're saying with the whole like So imagine Sean's coming at it from that perspective and then Henry goes, but don't worry. it I don't don't think you're going to be there for another year. Sean must've been like, like yeah what do you mean? I'm not going to be here for another year. like I want to be the kind of person who has gone from like thing to thing to thing, motorcycle. for i mean His relationship to his work could also kind of mirrors the relationship to Jules and the way he talks about it because it's like he has gone from think the thing and he's also ready to get a car with Psych in a way. Like he wants to stay because it's like he's just ah happy with it and he knows that.
01:05:59
Speaker
yeah and he's so like he
01:06:03
Speaker
You can tell it's almost like effortless for him too. Like it really is the perfect amalgamation of all the things that he yeah he likes to do. Yeah. And when you have like done that and like never had any kind of stability or like never stuck to anything, like it must feel yeah sort of exciting and like, like maybe he never thought he would ever find anything that would like, yeah, oh that's like fulfill him in this way. And he's like,
01:06:33
Speaker
I mean, it must feel amazing to have found this. And again, that like with that extra layer, to then have Henry be like, eh, must like really be quite crushing. And maybe for Sean, because he is kind of adversarial at times, maybe he is like, I'm going to prove you wrong. Yeah. Which is so funny,
Cultural References and Humor
01:06:56
Speaker
because if Henry had galaxy brain coming into this conversation. like That probably is what Sean needed to hear because like he does love to yeah upset Henry too. He does love to prove Henry wrong. yeah That's just another element of like why he needs to stick to this thing. I feel like we went deep on that.
01:07:24
Speaker
That was great. I love, I love all of the, it's always Henry Sean in the house. yeah that's conversation is the good Which is like part of the reason why we were so upset with the remake of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. Cause Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. Cloudy with a Chance of Murder. Look at all the good Henry Sean stuff. Yeah. So sad.
01:07:48
Speaker
I can't believe I did that. That is also a great movie, though. Highly recommend it. I don't think I've ever seen it. Oh, it's so good. It's really fun. They made a second one. The second one was fine. First one's fantastic. Highly recommend the first one. It's like an animated movie. I don't remember which studio made it, though. Maybe the same Dreamworks? I want to say it's this maybe the same people who made The Minions. Is that imagination?
01:08:20
Speaker
Sony Pictures Animation. Oh, yeah, that's kind of a random one. Yeah. What what else have they done? Projects. Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse. Oh, wow. That's a big one. Angry Birds 2, yeah. Smurfs. Smurfs.
01:08:39
Speaker
and
01:08:42
Speaker
Hotel Transylvania. OK. Yeah, OK. Not a big one. Yeah. not too shabby
01:08:53
Speaker
who's it Okay.
01:08:57
Speaker
okay So we got, we got a little ahead of ourselves, but so I guess we should kind of rewind a little. Yeah. And then they go to the dealership. Yes. Henry's house first. We're at Henry's house. He asks if they can make the wet bar. i love And this is when Sean, also I love this because this wet bar becomes very emblematic at the house. Like you see the wet bar all the time after this. It's literally in that corner. It does not. Yes, right. I was thinking that. I was thinking, oh my God, there it is.
01:09:29
Speaker
It's the wet bar. ah Which I, again, I have seen this show so many times, but it never looked for me that they made the wet bar. I know, right? Well, it is like, because yeah, when you rewatch You watch it, it just like kind of flows over your brain. Yeah, it's nicely for paying attention. Yes, it's very true. It's something for like actually watching something with intentionality because these days, you know, we all just binge and I don't want our phones half the time and it's a little depressing. but
01:10:06
Speaker
Yes. It was a fun exercise. Maybe this will get us to be a little bit more intentional. Let's try. In our everyday lives. And you should try with us. You who is listening. It's part of the Cy6101 curriculum. Yes. So we're trying to make the wet bar.
01:10:25
Speaker
And I love the whole bit of like, we're not plumbers, dad. I didn't expect you were me. And I told, I already put him in the sink. You just need to attach everything, okay? I mean, this is so funny. Henry was not expecting to see them today. No. They just ran into him at Home Depot and he's like, you're coming to my house. You're building me a wet bar. Like, it's bananas.
01:10:47
Speaker
I mean, this is the man who made Sean remake a doghouse. yeah what so weird like know you know This is his way that he shows love. Instead of making things for people, he forces people to make things. Oh my gosh.
01:11:04
Speaker
But this is a really great scene too, because once like Henry leaves, they actually start talking about Lindsay. And I think this was the other thing that made me be like, okay, definitely. They were talking about how she was so good at what she was doing. This was like, what what's her trick? And Sean essentially was like, don't be ridiculous, she's not an actual psychic. like There's no such thing as psychic. right Which saying saying that, yeah, I think solidifies the fact that the show doesn't believe in psychics, period. like it It's not an actual thing, which will become really interesting when we get to, is it season seven, season seven or season eight? I think the same thing. Seemingly meet the psychics convention or whatever. Oh, I'm i'm thinking the um i'm oh the mystery bookstore one. Yes, okay.
01:11:59
Speaker
Yeah, that's a wild one too. That's a great one too. Yeah, I love that episode. And it's such a pretty episode too. Can't wait to hear it. Directed, I think, by James Roday Rodriguez. That would make sense. Yeah, so we've established that none of us think that Lindsay's actually a psychic, but Sean's like starting to get this whole like, what, what is she doing that's better than me? Because either she is a psychic, which we've identified that she's not.
01:12:27
Speaker
Or she's a really good detective, which we have yet to meet a detective better than Sean. and So even a question mark there. Yeah. So we start to ponder through the clues that Sean brought back from Home Depot, which is essentially that we have a Nissan key, but the guy has had so many different cars throughout the time that he's been on the run. He has to be able to get like new cars pretty regularly. So where would you go that you could get a new car and you know drop a bunch of your fake cash without anyone really noticing anything and they realize fancy car dealership. Before we go to the dealership, I do want to bring up Gus also brings up his special skills. We get a new, some additional lore for Gus and his skill set. Cause he's like, Sean, you need to lean on me. Cause I know about all this stuff. I have over 85 Buffalo nickel shots.
01:13:21
Speaker
i I want us to make a t-shirt that like has Gus's face on the front, like on a pocket or something. And on the back is like you know those little patches that you get like in the Boy Scouts. my god and But it's all of Gus's special skills. Oh my god, I love that.
01:13:40
Speaker
Right? Like he's a safe cracker. He's got all these different coins. Astronomer. Astronomer. He collects stamps. He's like, he's got all this cool stuff. I would literally die. I love that idea. Okay. Let me write it down.
01:14:01
Speaker
And we get, we're going to get coin Gus again at some point. I think, yeah. Isn't there a coin up at like a penny episode? Oh, there is a penny episode. Yeah, that's with Jules's dad. eight That is the one with Jules's dad. Yes. Okay, good. We gotta write down all of Gus's special skills. He has so many. Yeah, we will start out. Once we're done here, we'll list out the ones we can think of. Okay.
01:14:32
Speaker
All right, so they get to the car dealership and Lindsay is already there and so is everyone else. And this is definitely when they've gotten to the point where their leg.
01:14:43
Speaker
Sorry, Sean, we don't need you. Like this one is just stupid. I know they didn't even get a call. And this is when they also start, to like Lassie starts to kind of unite with them a little bit because Lassie didn't get a call either. Right? Is it this time? Yes. Jules got the call. Correct. And so he's starting to get a little frustrated as well. Yeah. Fair. Understandably so. He is the head detective, technically speaking. And Juliet is just the, they call her junior detective. Yeah.
01:15:14
Speaker
And I feel like, isn't there a point in time where we see like she gets her first like real case? There is an episode where she's like, yeah, it's the first time she's the lead on the case. Right. Okay. So I wonder if like junior detective is like a, um, I wonder if it's almost like a training period, like, okay, you're in the department, so we're going to have you like follow someone.
Character Careers and Skepticism
01:15:35
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. But like for detectives, if you know what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that we ever see her like get promoted or anything.
01:15:42
Speaker
No, I think it's just that thing, just to like, oh, here's your first. Like she starts having more. Yeah, she, I guess takes more cases herself, but I don't know that her title ever changes. We'll have to, we'll have to watch that. We'll have to watch that.
01:15:59
Speaker
So yeah, they're, they're at this car dealership and I don't know how, I mean, It's kind of hard when when you know someone's faking psychic ah to be like, I don't know how they got here. She could just be like, I see a car dealership and then they just go to the car dealership. And I guess in hindsight, it makes sense because she knows that the forger has an expensive car because she knows the forger. um But yeah, in the in the minute of watching this, it's kind of like, how did she get them here? Like how?
01:16:32
Speaker
How did she know this? And maybe she also picked up on the key. Well, I mean, she may have, she may have just known because she, maybe he just said it. Like she may just know that that's where he went, you know, like this specific place. And I guess what is her like end goal? That's a great question. I don't really know. Cause she's not anticipating him going on the lamb, but at some point one would think like,
01:17:02
Speaker
I don't know, maybe she would, they'd run away together. Like what is her goal? Maybe, maybe her end goal here is to just prevent the forces that be from catching him until he can like print enough or get gather enough money for them to go on the lamb together. That would be my guess, which would be why, I guess part of the reason why she would be so shocked when we later find out that he printed way more money
Allegiances and Case Solving Plans
01:17:34
Speaker
than anticipated, because if he never told her about that, then she could be like, well, I thought we were in yeah yeah together. like without Right. Exactly.
01:17:44
Speaker
But other than that, I mean, I can't really think of... And this is also what's kind of confusing because I always thought watching this episode before now that she knew him before she started working for the Treasury Department. That's what I struggle with too. I feel like it makes more sense if, yeah, if she was involved with him before she was involved with the federal government. Yeah, right? Because then the whole time she was ahead because she knew him. Yeah. Cause she must be, I mean, I guess she does have some skills. Like again, the guitar thing, maybe that's what that is supposed to establish is that she's not a total fraud in the sense that, I mean, she must've been helpful before in order for her to still be around. Right. But yeah, it is.
01:18:37
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like every time I watch this I'm always like unsure about the timeline there. Yeah, it is a little bit confusing Yeah, definitely a little bit confusing. I mean, I guess I well, I don't know I don't know and it's also interesting like You know presumably she has allegiance to the suspect. Mm-hmm So you'd kind of think that she'd want to throw them off Right. She's not really doing that And then she's also wanting to one-up Sean. Right. Which would require her solving the case. Right. Which would be catching her partner. Like, so, yeah, just like, don't know what, where she thinks this ends. Yeah. That's a good point. I don't, I, yeah, I don't really know either. Cause I would assume
01:19:31
Speaker
that she would want to just run away with him. like That would be the best. Yeah. Because they are dating, right? Right. yeah She says that. She's dating someone. Yes. Because I'm like, well, maybe she was always planning to kill him. But like it doesn't really doesn't doesn't seem like it. It doesn't seem like until after the the change in currency denomination, the change in the amount of money that was printed.
01:19:58
Speaker
now you now take
01:20:03
Speaker
wrong with me It's not until the change in the amount that was printed um that she seems to have a change of heart. Yeah, he crosses her. Right, exactly. So really he was kind of he was probably just using her ah oh yeah to keep the feds off of him because telling her sweet nothings about how they're going to run away together.
01:20:28
Speaker
But that was probably never part of his plan. And I mean, that would make sense. She'd probably be more of a liability than anything. Yeah. Because they probably got her fingerprints on file and all that good jazz, you know? So she was also getting played. Another observer getting played in this scenario. Yeah. Still don't quite know what. I mean, I guess she would just disappear at some point and they would be like, huh, weird. Yeah. And I wonder if maybe that was part of it too, like maybe she's trying to figure out like when it ends for her. Because if she just up and disappeared, I'm sure that would seem suspicious. Yeah. So maybe she was trying to find like a point in time that it felt like she could just kind of
Counterfeit Money Deduction
01:21:16
Speaker
fade into the background. Going along, reading them, staying useful until the time is right. Yeah.
01:21:25
Speaker
it could be. And then Sean's just like a fun little side game for her to just like mess with him. I mean seems like and I wonder too if if after the the clocking of the the increased amount if she was almost like how do you how do you know like I need to make sure that what you're saying is accurate because ultimately what you're doing here is blowing up my entire Well, and like, I think that she realizes how good Sean actually is. And she's like, okay, what else do you know about? Cause now then she realizes her partner is playing her or double crossing her. And so like now she really needs Sean's help because Sean's actually really good at this. ah True. She's got a, she's got, now she doesn't have any insider, anything because she's no longer
01:22:22
Speaker
It's not in the picture for him. He's on the run. Right. So she needs him. So she needs Shawn. To feign psychic herself. Yeah. What a mess. What a mess. Which brings us back to too far, I feel like, but like, I mean, if she, if she worked as a psychic in this department before, like she must have some skills, but like, yeah if she needs Sean at this point, or maybe she just needs him because he is very good. And so she doesn't know if she can find him alone. And so she wants to, she wants Sean's insights in case he has any. Yeah, could be. All right.
01:23:02
Speaker
and guess that's enough on her
01:23:05
Speaker
we mean we have a pretty good idea of like yeah but she's got thought on okay okay so The counterfeiter has been to the dealership. They are going through the money. Ewan's got the money. Sean notices a bill. yeah And then seeks Gus's expert counsel on that bill because he notices like the color changing ink and Gus says a lot of technical things about that. yes Which I guess they are surmising that it's a real bill or Sean is.
01:23:42
Speaker
yeah And I guess, of course, Sean keeps this revelation close to his chest. Yes. And so everybody's like, well, sorry guys, like, you know, they're moving along and Sean and Gus are have not provided anything of use. So when they do get to the police station, they are not welcome there. I love this scene so much. I love that they like put on a show for it because like they know everybody around that table is thinking. yeah But they also know that they have some key information. And like this is another great one to imagine them discussing this on the drive. yeah coca we're getting Because Gus is also doing it. Oh, of course. I don't think we're welcome here. And it's just like, yeah, you should punish them a little bit for this. It's like, yeah, they're being meanies. They are being meanies. And but you can also tell, well, Vic does say like,
01:24:42
Speaker
Euan doesn't want you here, basically. And yeah because you're not bringing anything to the- or because we have one psychic, it's covered and and she kind of says, I tend to agree, which I wonder if she does totally agree or she does walk in there a little bit, or maybe she feels a little guilty at least. But I think- I don't know, I mean- Does Jewel say sorry? She seems... I don't know if she says sorry, but she definitely looks like... Yeah, they're more apologetic. Yeah, than than the rest of them do. Like, Ewan and... Ewan? Yes. Yes? Yes. That's why I keep calling him... I think so. like Whatever. Special. Oh wait, I actually still have Lou Diamond Phillips open here. Let's see what his name was.
01:25:32
Speaker
Lars Ewing. Ewing, okay. Oh, Ewing is her brother, is Jules's brother. Oh, maybe, and we did mention him, so maybe yeah that threw us off. Ewing. Ewing. Yeah, Ewing and Lindsay definitely look more like, yeah, get out of here. Yeah, well, they're like, yeah we got this. Especially Lizzie is probably just like, I won.
01:25:54
Speaker
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And this is when Sean drops the little, well, so good. Some of those bills were actually real Bill. Yeah, i said it's not all counterfeit. And then they yeah peace out. And I just love like, I'm like, Yeah, those are my boys like um walking away. im like Yay. And we get our first wait for it.
01:26:17
Speaker
We get two in this episode. And of course then they're grabbed and Ewing says, okay, yeah, one of them is real. And I think Sean at one point actually gives a serial number of the bill too. Well, he yeah, Sean. Well, yeah. Cause Ewing's like, basically is like, no, you want to go up against an expert, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. like Uh, or, and say these bills aren't counterfeit. Sean's like, not all of them, just one. Serial number, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I love that moment of Vic like giving Jules the eye to like write that down. yeah And Jules kind of secretly does it because it's like, they are still a team here, even though they're having to play these like politics games. Yeah. Yeah. And that's really what it is. It really is like political games because they're from a federal bureau. im
01:27:12
Speaker
So Sean gets to explain how, in this case, the forger wasn't actually sure how much money he was going to have to pay for the car. And lucky for us, he was just $100 bill short. So he grabbed a real $100 bill. I do love the vibe. Like just the delivery of when Sean's like, man, I read your information packet cover to cover. Oh my God. I was like, no, you didn't.
01:27:37
Speaker
have Well, and that's the funny bit. There's a funny bit with that too, where earlier in the show Gus says that he read it cover to cover and Sean's like, I read the cover. yeah Which is also very, it's going to become like a running bit throughout the series of Sean not actually reading anything he's supposed to read. Totally. Yeah. So they're back on the case. Yeah. Thank goodness.
01:28:02
Speaker
And we're back at it. And then there's that moment where Vic's like, well, but so what was our next move? And Ewing starts to answer and she's like, I met Mr. Spencer
Climactic Confrontations and Investigations
01:28:12
Speaker
or whatever. Yes. I met Mr. Spencer. I was like, oh, Casp. Yay. And then we go back to the psych office.
01:28:22
Speaker
And Sean is making pineapple upside down cake. It's taken him 19 hours. Which will be ourpha size like wait our season two after show. Snack? dish Yes. Yes! Pineapple upside down cake. Yes, absolutely. Not in an easy bake oven. we'll make it in an action We'll make a good one. I can't guarantee mine will be good. I'm not a baking person, but I'll try my best.
01:28:50
Speaker
Yeah, I mean it'll turn out better than, I do love the runner up, just like something wrong with this cake. Yeah, something wrong with this cake. And to be, I mean it looked okay, like look at it. Yeah, it looked very cute. Maybe a little gelatinous, but I mean okay. I mean cute that Sean was wanting to make this. It's so funny. Did he like buy it off eBay or something? He had like $300, something ridiculous. Silliness. That was silly.
01:29:18
Speaker
And we get Lindsey walking in because now, now that Sean and Gus, you know, have the upper hand, she wants to work together. Convenient. Yes, very convenient. And they sit down and they are trying to ascertain some information about where the forger is actually.
01:29:39
Speaker
making his bills where his nest is, as Sean says. And they both pull a little bit of information. Sean pulls that it's a transient location. And then Lindsay says it's by a body of water and Sean's like, excuse you. Something more specific would be nice.
01:29:58
Speaker
She says that there's French writing, so it's like a European hotel likely. And um somewhere where, you know, the the loud noise wouldn't be noticed. So they say, okay, it's probably also somewhere where there's maybe construction or or something like that happening nearby. And we end up finding out the specific hotel because I've seen your guster h who says that on his route, he passes by a hotel.
01:30:27
Speaker
that fits the bill. And of course we get a little bit where Sean's like, I know your route very well. I don't remember said hotel. Could this be from when you went to a Pips meet and greet? I was like, Sean, only you, only you would remember this.
01:30:45
Speaker
Yeah, and use it against him. And use it and use it against him. Just for this audience of this one woman who doesn't matter to them at all. But he's going to do it. Make the joke without any audience. And they were right. It turns out that this was the hotel where the sky is staying out, which honestly pretty impressive that they were able to get there. I mean, I guess if she knows where they're staying. Okay, well that yeah, does she already know where they're?
01:31:15
Speaker
So why is she, I mean, why is she trying to team up with Sean at all at this point? Like it makes sense kind of after the money, but h maybe she just thinks he may be useful. Maybe. um Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. Yeah. Cause in the minute, in the, in the middle of watching it, I'm like, Oh yeah, of course she'd like team up with Sean, but you're right. If she knows.
01:31:42
Speaker
where he's staying. Yeah. Why not just psychic that herself and then bring every everyone there? Yeah, maybe she's well, I don't I don't know. Maybe it's just a matter of like her staying in because we've talked about like Shawn needing to stay in the game and now she's kind of got a need to stay in the game because now Shawn is kind of the running the show like the way they left things Vic was like,
01:32:05
Speaker
you know, and what do you think we should do next, Sean? Right. But maybe that like if she pulled out, I know where he's staying. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Like I feel like she'd stay it. They'd be like, all right, let's go check that out. Unless she's trying to like stall, like she doesn't want to pull it out right now, or she doesn't want to draw too much attention to herself. I don't. Yeah, that could be. And then that also begs the question, like, does she like,
01:32:33
Speaker
you know presumably she doesn't want to catch him. Right. So like, why would she even lead them to the hotel at all? I don't know. She's an enigma. She's an enigma. She's giving to us far more questions than answers. Regardless, they get to the hotel. And I love that, like, how almost every person we see behind a desk always has an accent. Like, so so fun. And they, you know, ask the guy if there is someone who has not been utilizing room service and the guy's like,
01:33:11
Speaker
ah There's a bunch of people that don't utilize room service, so they gotta, you know, whittle it down. And John says, okay, he's probably in the south tower because it's like farther away than the rest. Probably facing an alley because he doesn't want to be seen. Yeah. This is like very exciting too. They're like yeah asking questions and like, like, because the guy may be here. Like they're like going to touch him. Like it was kind of a thrilling sequence. Yeah, it's very exciting. and Even like the, you know, they're kind of jumping back and forth with yeah yeah yeah who's talking and who's giving clues and all that stuff. It's very, yeah, very fun. And they finally get the room, so they like run upstairs, barge into the room, lasseter and Ewing are there, both guns drawn, you know, trying to be the person that shoots the guy first, I guess. And they look throughout the room and we see a couple of like important things. You know, there's a washing machine and a dryer.
01:34:07
Speaker
And a weird joke about a front loader gets made. And we see like, you know, a bunch of stuff kind of out and about clearly for forging purposes, if you will. And Lindsay says that the forger has likely printed $50,000 worth of counterfeit cash.
01:34:36
Speaker
And Sean clocks in the closet in extra like ream of the linen fiber paper that they would use to print the bills on. So Sean says it's not 50,000. It's more like 500,000. And I love the whole Lindsay being like, no, I don't know. Anything above 50,000 is just not hitting my receptors. And he's like, receptors really? like So good. Is that what we do now? Yeah, take her down. yeah For real.
01:35:05
Speaker
So this is when you know we the facade begins to really crumble, I suppose. She's definitely behind the eight ball here with with what's actually happening. And I guess this, again, begs the question of, is she actually doing detective work or is she just giving information that she thinks she already has? Because if she was observant like Shawn and doing the detective work in the room, she would have also seen that there were more reams of paper that were used.
Romantic Subplots and 80s Nostalgia
01:35:33
Speaker
Well, maybe in a similar way to where Sean doesn't like read her very well from the beginning. Cause he thinks he's on top of everything already. Like she thinks she knows everything. So there's no reason for her to detect. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, certainly could be. And then we notice that there's also a passport seal.
01:35:53
Speaker
I love that moment. But like Lassie is using his little pen and he's like squinting and he's like, is this a treasury seal? And then Ewing just picks it up. Yeah, nope. Which means he's going to attempt to go on the lamb. Officially on the lamb. Yeah, on the left. Where do we get that term from, on the lamb? Let's take that to Google. Because if we if one were to literally Listen to that sound on the lamb. I'm sitting on a lamb. Why am I doing that? Well, and it's lamb like there's no beef
01:36:32
Speaker
Oh, it's L-A-M? It's just L-A-M. Okay. Then I clearly don't know what L-A-M means. I always thought it was on the lamb, but like sitting on a baby sheep. Oh my God. Origin. Um, I don't want AI overview. Go away, AI. Let's see what how stuff works has to say. Okay. Hi. It originated in the late 19th century and was first used by pickpockets as a signal to escape from potential danger. The word lamb,
01:37:01
Speaker
is believed to have old English roots meaning to beat or thrash, which evolved to signify escaping or running away. So it I guess it just means what it says it means, but it's an old timey word. All right, fair enough. There we go. So we have someone not on the back of a baby sheep, but running away from the authorities.
01:37:22
Speaker
And this is where we get very Casanova-y. Yes. Sean. Well, and Lindsay is Casanova-ing right back. Yeah, she is. She asks Sean back to her hotel room and Sean's like, oh, okay, sure. And she says at what, 2,200?
01:37:42
Speaker
hours. and I do love 24 hour clock jokes. We get a couple of them in this episode. I feel like we get a bunch in the the spy episode too. Yeah. Yeah. With all of the clocks, multiple clocks on the arm. Anyway, um John's like, oh, how silly of me. Gus, do you want to come? No. Okay. Bye. I do. There is that moment too where, um,
01:38:06
Speaker
I think when Lindsay is leaving, because they like planning a date kind of, and Lindsay doesn't shake Gus's hand. She shakes Sean's, but not Gus's. And I feel like that's such a red flag. Yeah, I agree. Very red. Well, she is a gaggle of red flags. Yeah, that's true. But. Just got no respect. No, none. We don't like people who don't respect others. so And I feel like that really emphasizes how she's just playing Sean too. Yeah. Oh, great point. Absolutely. Yeah. She doesn't actually care about.
01:38:34
Speaker
the relationships that are being forged here. Yeah. just you' trying to trump info yeah man Horrible.
01:38:46
Speaker
Um, so we get some more mind melding on our date. Oh my gosh. And this mind melding is like, I mean, we talked about it already, but it's just so strange. They're like, okay, let's do it. Let's mind meld. And then Sean says one thing and Lindsay's like, no, actually this. And then Lindsay says one thing and Sean's like, no, actually that. Oh my goodness. Oh, and I don't think like she brings him back to her hotel room. Yes. So what did she get out of this? They sleep together.
01:39:16
Speaker
Hmm. She just tried to, oh, maybe she just is trying to slow him down. Oh, yeah. Distract. Yeah. Cause there's not, cause I was like thinking like she wants to use Sean's expertise, but I don't think she gets anything out of him. No, not nothing. Yeah. That pertains to the case. No. So maybe it is just that she wants him.
01:39:43
Speaker
not investigating so that she can go kill him or confront him. Yeah. Makes sense. I think that's probably what it is. Especially because she goes and ends up murdering him in the morning while Sean's still sleeping. Yeah. So that makes sense. But this is partly to her detriment.
01:40:05
Speaker
huh doing this. I did want to note their date is has this 80s rock soundtrack. I just love that because I feel like that is just Sean's it is yeah idea of romance is the 80s. I love to that little detail. It is kind of sweet. We get so many really great 80s references throughout the show.
01:40:31
Speaker
so the So Sean spends the night. He wakes up the next morning and Lindsay's already gone and gasped. And Guster calls Sean in the morning where they're talking to each other in the morning. And we find out that our forger has just shown up dead, murdered, which brings our murder count. Let me check. I believe we're on 19.
01:40:54
Speaker
Oh no, 20. Our murder count is now up to 20. Oh my goodness. I know, that's quite a lot of murders. A lot of dead people for such a happy show. The murder capital of the world. Oh my gosh, so good. I love that. That's the movie, right? The first movie? The musical. Which you could call the first movie.
01:41:17
Speaker
Yeah, it gets kind of right. Yeah, it's the first long form site. Yeah, it's definitely its own thing, which yeah this is kind of a sidebar, but we'll have to, which I think we talked about a little bit, like when we were first conceiving of this project, but to think about when to watch the musical, because every time I rewatch the show, like I think where it's placed in streaming is like post season six, but really it's like, should be, it should be further, it should be earlier. So. Ah.
01:41:47
Speaker
Yeah, I think we should watch it where it should be. Yeah, which I don't know if it aired. Yeah, we're kind of out it out of sequence. I don't remember. We'll have to do some research. Yeah. But you can tell like, there are things that have happened.
Mildred's Role and MySpace Reference
01:42:05
Speaker
Yeah, series that have not happened in the musical once you are watching musical. Yeah, fair.
01:42:13
Speaker
But anyway. Yes, anywho. So the forger shows up dead and we get to the crime scene and the whole gang's there. And we know that it's the guy who's got the scar on his chin. He's got the earring and Sean's like, wow, she was really good. She got it right. And Lindsay like kneels down to I don't know, feel the psychic vibrations of the body or something and touches the body. And Lassiter gets all upset. He's like, I don't know how you do it in Washington, but usually we wait for the forensic guys. Don't contaminate the evidence. And I love the line from Vic where she's like, we're lucky if our psychic doesn't lick the body. And I love using your shot and Gus like looking a little offended, like, you didn't even say anything. She's not that far off. Yeah, I was pretty funny.
01:43:05
Speaker
Are these the people who like dance around the bodies?
01:43:11
Speaker
yeah so He's definitely dead. That's what we've we've ascertained from this. And um he was shot with his own gun. But apart from that, we kind of think the case is closed, like we caught him. It kind of takes care of itself. Yeah. And this is when we get our lovely Henry scene that we discussed. Because Sean knows there is something else afoot, as he often does. the butt.
01:43:35
Speaker
It's true. He's got the vibe that some weirds happening. So after his conversation with Henry, he goes and he checks back in with Mildred who I just, I love Mildred. I think she might be my like favorite little extra side character this episode. She's just like a badass lady.
01:43:53
Speaker
Mm hmm. And it clearly takes her job very seriously. Yes, absolutely. Which if we didn't say Mildred is the stenographer, the personal stenographer for Yu Wing, so she takes down all... Yeah, she's been there the whole time. The whole time, in the background. We didn't acknowledge her at every scene, but she's been there the whole time.
01:44:09
Speaker
She's been there stenographer-ing away in the background. And so Sean goes to her and asks to reiterate some of the stuff that Lindsay and Lars have been, Lars Ewing, have been saying to each other. Yeah. Cause when he woke up in the hotel room, he did do a little poking around and found, one of the things he found was a receipt from coffee. Yes. In Goleta. Yes. Hence why this was to her, to her undoing sleeping with Sean.
01:44:39
Speaker
And he uses this information, the, you know, checking back in to make sure that she was actually talking about coffee. He uses this to remember that the car dealership was in Galita and why would she drive all the way there past all these other Starbucks, which I thought was funny that we referenced that way.
01:44:58
Speaker
all these other Starbucks to get to this one particular coffee shop. sea germanman Sean which is difficult to say. Sean Sirmizes that it's because she's been in cahoots with the forger this whole time. So we rush off, which I also thought this was kind of interesting because I would hope that Ewing and Lindsay wouldn't leave without Mildred.
01:45:27
Speaker
Yeah, they're like rushing us. Everybody just has to fend for themselves getting to the airport. Yeah, you really have to catch it. And it's like It is smart of Shawn and Gus because like presumably they won't leave without Mildred. And so they're like, we have Mildred. Right, don't you worry. We have Mildred. you can't leave without us. Yeah, that's a good point.
01:45:50
Speaker
keeping them grounded. Yes. And we get another creepy thing from Ewing asking Jules, if which just really places us in 2007, 2008. You have a MySpace page or something? Okay, let's look at the dates for MySpace, because I feel like that plays as a funny joke of like him being out of touch, but I'm like, wait, is he out of touch? Or is that just what is what people have got?
01:46:17
Speaker
Oh, okay. I was going to say double check because I definitely read that as like him being serious. Yeah. No, I mean, totally could be. We would be way funnier, way, way funnier if it was him being out of touch. If she had a Myspace, Myspace was out of touch. Okay. It was from 2005 until early 2008, it was the most visited social networking site.
01:46:46
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. So that would track this like 2007, 2008. Okay. So that's funny. because Yeah. It's just like, yeah, no, that's yeah right in the sweet spot of my space. Yeah. He's just earnest.
Intense Climax and Romantic Confusion
01:47:02
Speaker
There you go. He, maybe he really just likes jewels. I mean, now he's tries that's not to be great i'm not good at, no, he's not.
01:47:11
Speaker
not right for her. No, oh no. Definitely not right for her. Although Jules does have a couple of older men that like kind of creepily hit on her. Yeah. you know the The bank episode. Oh, well, not even creepily hit on her, but she was dating him. Yeah. He always gave me the ick. Yeah. yeah
01:47:39
Speaker
And then we get our wonderful nutshelling. And this is a great nutshelling. her Yeah, it's very exciting. like every Because they're about to be gone. you know like If he doesn't break this case wide open right now, like she's in the wind. Yeah, they're on the tarmac. They are getting on the plane. And we end up finding out that, yeah, Lindsay was kind of in on it the whole time. And not only that, but she also killed the forger. And she has the money with her.
01:48:08
Speaker
And Sean does the, what do you call it, spontaneous psychic krav maga. To find the money. Just like amazing. And after
01:48:22
Speaker
What's the word? Accusing. Goodness God, what's wrong with me today? um It's late. Yes, that's true. It's late for me. um After accusing her of being a part of all of this, she essentially makes Shawna hostage. Yeah, and' like, rundo isn' it escalates. I mean, very quickly. Yeah.
01:48:45
Speaker
Very quickly, and this whole situation for me, she's killed someone, she's got a hostage now. I know. Thank goodness we have Mildred, because Mildred throws her stenography equipment at them, and apparently is very good at aim with rolling things, and now Lindsay over.
01:49:01
Speaker
Yeah, go Mildred because like once again, I mean Mildred for her to be just like constantly on Ewing's heels, like that's a dangerous position. Oh my gosh, absolutely. And she's always right there. Yeah. And so she, I mean, maybe she is like trained to some extent for situations such as this, because she would be in situations. That's true. She knows some battle tactics and whatnot. Yeah. Yeah.
01:49:27
Speaker
and um I think Mildred saves the day, but I mean technically Ewing wrestles her to the ground and gets the gun out of her hand, but you know, I think Mildred saves the day. Couldn't do it without Mildred. No, couldn't do it without Mildred. Anybody could've tackled her. Yeah, it's true. Mildred could've maybe even tackled her. We don't know. Yeah, she probably would have. Ewing didn't give her the chance.
01:49:49
Speaker
And yeah, then we, we have solved the case. Yay. Yes. Caught a forger and a murderer. It's a couple fun things. Okay. When she says, this is ridiculous. John says, is it? It's not like I'm wearing a giant moose costume. Oh my God. Okay. You know, your point. It is not like you're wearing a giant moose costume. And then when she says,
01:50:14
Speaker
Like I didn't sleep with you because of blah, blah, blah, and then everybody's reaction. Yeah. Everyone's just like, what? Okay. Okay. And then I love some discretion, please. These are my coworkers. It's like very cute.
01:50:33
Speaker
Oh my gosh. Oh, so funny. And also like, hysterical because Sean has no discretion with like anything ever. That is true. Throws the most random nonsense out in front of his coworkers. Yeah. All the time. Now that I'm thinking about it though, this is maybe like,
01:50:52
Speaker
Maybe like the first time we kind of see the personal and the professional kind of blurring for this group as a team. Cause like Sean Scott has hooked up with somebody ah um and they all hear about it. And then also like this guy is flirting with Jules and stuff. So we're starting to see these lines blur.
01:51:12
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good... In a more significant way, I guess. Because like they also have little friendship things, but like this is right very much personal life stuff. Yeah, I mean, I think that the first ever for foray we got was the Alien episode. And it didn't be dating. But that was like a little bit. and then that Oh, true, true, true. Yeah, because we see jewels on a date. Yeah. Right. But this is really... like Okay, yeah, Sean's with someone and then we work with them. And there's something very like adult about that. Because this show a lot of times doesn't feel that adult. No, yeah. It feels sort of PG. So even the idea that Sean hooked up with somebody is kind of like scandalous. yeah Yeah, very scandalous. And that person not being Jules, super scandalous. Very scandalous. Yeah, early days.
01:52:04
Speaker
And then, and like, I don't know if it's the most scandalous, but also semi scandalous, our final scene, which usually is like a wrap up scene, you know, when we're all like, ah, everything's back to normal. Our final scene is just Ewing coming out shirtless. Oh, yeah. Listening, walking over to Jules. It's very like, I don't know, shower scene-esque with like the fog in the background. Yeah. And it is kind of an odd choice when we've seen this guy be very like
01:52:35
Speaker
um very unsettling yeah and like And then we're left with like Jules being into it. Like it is kind of a weird choice, I think. Yeah, it's it is a little strange. I mean, we do get a couple of other strange incidents with Jules throughout the episode of, I think throughout the car dealership after she mentions that he called her and she was like, it was 3am. Yeah, with gravelly voice. Yeah, gravelly voice out of the shower, dripping wet. I was like, Juliet. too Maybe she's just a little attracted to him physically, but not to him as a person because he's crazy. Like maybe having a dry spell. There you go. That could be.
01:53:21
Speaker
um
01:53:24
Speaker
Yeah. Cause it is very physical. You're right. Like, cause it's the voice and the body and like not his interpersonal skills. And it is interesting that of the characters who are having some romantic tensions in this episode, it's Sean and Jules, not with each other, but it's Sean and Jules. So they do get to kind of parallel each other a little bit. Yeah, that is interesting.
Character Arcs and Thematic Struggles
01:53:51
Speaker
Well, yeah, I mean, we, gosh, we don't really talk about anyone else's romantic life. I mean, we don't talk about Lassie's until way later. We don't talk about Gus's until a little bit. Gus has a lot of, like, ups and downs and a lot of little flings and And then Lassie's so caught up in his marriage for yeah quite a while. So, yeah, Sean and Jules are like,
01:54:20
Speaker
are singleton yeah up next we have zero to murder in 60 seconds is this like I looked at what this was about and now I don't remember is this the drag racing one I think that comes later zero to murder in 60 seconds Oh, right. Chop shop. Chop shop. Oh, we did talk about that. We talked about that in the after show. Chop shop. That's a fun one. It is a fun one. And I think it's fun because we get to see Sean work on some of that intuition again. Yeah. When I was looking at what the next episode was, I was thinking how like in the first season, I feel like we
01:55:10
Speaker
like Sean really got into a groove and now it's like kind of in every episode he's being knocked down. Yeah. Because like we had the dinosaur one where it's like he looks ridiculous and he has an intervention and all this stuff. And then this one, he's got some competition, he's looking like a fool. And then in the next one, he it comes very easily but he knows it's wrong. right And that, it like bothers him how easy it is. So there's just a lot of plots where Um, he's struggling with not like establishing himself, which he's kind of already done, but just like kind of just the, I guess the every day of this. Hmm. Yeah. It's, and I kind of like that. Yeah. If you know what I mean? Cause there's something, there's something really boring about
01:56:05
Speaker
always seeing someone win, but that doesn't sound horrible. Well, and I feel like to see him win, you have to see him lose. You struggle a little bit. Yeah, like I think the last couple of episodes are great examples of like him getting knocked down and then. I get knocked down. And he gets up again. Yeah, like and and you really get to see his stuff and like his commitment and his drive for this. And that does also make him like I guess sympathetic or like lovable in a way that like he yeah he is like keeps fighting for it.
01:56:43
Speaker
yeah you know maybe you know I feel like last season we talked about how James R. Day Rodriguez had brought up that it was kind of hard to make Sean as a character like likable or or digestible. And you're saying how maybe part of that was like his personality. But part of that is not the fact that like the show doesn't really um make excuses for how he is. The show like calls him out. I think maybe now the development of that is You know, Sean's not always winning. Sean's great at what he does, but he does still struggle with all of this. So seeing him through the struggle, even with maybe, quote unquote, not so likable of a personality, makes him more endearing because now you understand him better. Yeah.
01:57:28
Speaker
Yeah. You want to root for him. Yeah. And hearing is a great word for that. Like, cause it is. It's like the ah more we watch him come up against these obstacles, the more we're like, Oh, Sean, Sean. Yeah. It's gonna be, it's gonna be really interesting to talk about like series arcs.
01:57:50
Speaker
and see if like series, excuse me, season arcs is what I mean. I know you knew what I meant, but I wanted to. Yeah. Season arcs. Cause I think definitely the first season was like establishing themselves and do we think with season two, are we going to see this kind of theme of like struggle and like proving themselves in a different way? I don't know. We'll see. Yeah.
01:58:16
Speaker
Yeah, that makes sense. and i And I think like I'm thinking of like later seasons, like we start to get into like kind of consequences, like how he does things and yep and the lies and stuff like that. yeah So yeah, I think that.
01:58:30
Speaker
We'll have to watch it, but that makes sense. We'll put it on the watch list. Yeah. All right. If you enjoyed spending our hour or two, these keep getting longer. Yeah. But it's fun. If you enjoyed our hour or two this week, make sure to join us back here next time when we'll talk about season two, episode four, the Fame TV show, Psych. Bye.
01:58:56
Speaker
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