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S2E5: Insert Quippy Horse Name Here
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Series spoilers abound! We’re discussing Season 2, Episode 5 “And Down the Stretch Comes Murder”. We’re going to the races! When an old friend (?) visits the boys at the office and asks for help with a confusing set of horse-related events, the boys gallop their way over to the track to see what’s up. Little did they know they would be immersed into the secret culture of jockeys and track-goers. We’re talking coins, horses, and poison blow darts so grab your lucky Hawaiian shirt and join Kylie and Skyler for this episode of Phsysics 101!
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Introduction to 'Psych 6 101' Podcast
00:00:21
Speaker
All right. Hi, everyone. And welcome to the Psych 6 101, where we discuss everything about the world of Psych and the antics of Shawn and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar, and this is my partner, Babyface Assassin. And today we'll be talking about season two, episode five of the Fame TV show, Psych. We're moving so quick.
Horse Racing Jokes and Episode Title
00:00:41
Speaker
I know.
00:00:41
Speaker
so I didn't actually write down the name, but and down the stretch comes murder. Yes, I believe so. Yes. And down the stretch comes murder. So reference to racing, horse racing. Yeah. And just a key piece of evidence, I guess. I mean, really, kind of like, I was going to say kind of like forever hold your peace because like that's when the nut-shilling happens. But this is like, yeah, this is like,
00:01:13
Speaker
the yeah crux of the case of the case ah the episode directly referenced in the title. Yeah. And down the stretch comes murder. Yeah. And we get a bunch of really fun, like I think that's also a a fun kind of play at the like silly horse names that you always get. um like yeah That could be a horse's name. yeah Murder. Yeah. We're down the stretch from murder. And we get a bunch of really funny, funny, funny horse names in this one. yeah One of them, of course, being paper faces. I don't think I ever even noticed it. And just because I'm like really, you know, attentive yeah on these viewings, I was like, oh wow, that's funny.
00:01:54
Speaker
Yeah, and you know they probably like shop that around. They're like, hmm, how ridiculous can we make these names, but not draw any attention to them? Yeah, which is very effective, because it went right over my head previously. There you go.
Iconic Episode Discussion and Character Backstory
00:02:08
Speaker
Baby Face Assassin. There's an episode of Bob's Burgers where the kids go to the track, as you know. I i love Bob's Burgers. And they, of course, also have like a bunch of silly names to them, and one of them is Mudbutt.
00:02:24
Speaker
as ridiculous as they can make them. But yeah, so we've got ah our horse racing episode, which we both kind of identified as a very iconic psych episode. Yeah, we were kind of discussing like why that was, know why that is. Yeah. And I think after watching, I'm like, Oh, yeah, yeah, just such a good episode. i do like One thing that I don't think we brought up last time, but I feel like plays into why is like all the lore.
00:02:54
Speaker
in all history, and yes because we go back to their childhood a bunch. And I mean, obviously, a key player in the case is from their childhood, from the past. And so there's just like a like I feel like that's a lot of it too. because um it And in that way, it's such a Sean and Gus. Not that like every episode is a Sean and Gus episode, but like this is like a really like about their relationship and their history. 100%. Yeah, I feel like that does a lot.
00:03:24
Speaker
Yeah. when it's interesting It's interesting because when we were talking about it last time, I actually, I remembered, I feel like a ah bit about this episode, certainly more than I feel like I traditionally do about some plots and stuff. But I totally forgot about the second spitter plot line, which is such a good like little story. It's so good. And there's so many just like,
00:03:51
Speaker
watching it back now, amazing little nods to certain things that I feel like we've talked about in that little subplot, which we can get to and in a little bit. but I know. I'm so tempted to start talking about it right now. I guess we should start at the beginning.
Flashback to Sean and Gus's Childhood
00:04:08
Speaker
okay So we start with the flashback, and this is the first time we really see the boys in person in front of us getting bullied. We saw Sean get like punched in the eye, but that wasn't really a bullying incident. It was a misunderstanding of of liking like liking this elementary schoolers. um But this we actually see them getting picked on by like a kind of bigger, you know, taller, like more built kids than them. So we see the boys running away a bunch of boys. It's like, yeah, but at first I was like, okay, like a nod to racing and then it wasn't racing at all. but just they were Just a lot of kids ready running of kids running.
00:04:54
Speaker
I also love the 80s soundtrack. it was so good I love those moments because the show just like loves the 80s so much. Yeah, I mean it's a great... era, so I totally understand. And they're growing up in the 80s. I do feel like, to some degree, the entire show is kind of an homage to the 80s. So true. A love letter to the 80s. Yes. But yeah, so they're running away, and immediately you don't really know why they're running. Yeah, it kind of looks like they're racing. Maybe these kids behind them are chasing them. We can't really tell. But they run into the school, and this big kid kind of corners them in front of these lockers.
00:05:33
Speaker
and ends up asking them for money. And this guy's name is Jimmy Nichols, and he steals all of their lunch money, which Gus is very perturbed about in the flashback and to this day, not happy about the flashback. Yeah, he has like a visceral yeah hear of this guy. and so yeah he takes his not over it no he's not you know to some degree i totally get it to some degree i'm like gus based on what we find out later i'm like okay oh we am my favorite part of this flashback which is probably such a silly part to just be in love with is shawn's kangaroos i want oh my gosh i mean okay
00:06:17
Speaker
so Let's look these up. They must be an iconic baby's thing. I hope so. That was my assumption. And and I love that like they... Oh, it looks like they're still around.
00:06:30
Speaker
Can I get them? Because Kylie, this was, this was like something that I used to do when I went places, except I didn't have pockets in my shoes. So I just stuffed them into my shoe right next to my foot and all my money ended up being sweaty. And that's probably too much information, but that's what happened. If I had these, I would have not had sweaty money. It looks okay. They were originally produced from 1979 through the eighties. Oh, okay. With a later revival that continues in the present.
00:07:00
Speaker
Do I need a pair of kangaroos? They're out there. Kangaroo shoes. Oh my gosh, wait. So they were, I guess, like an iconic 80s thing, ah which I love that and that they got them for this little kid to wear. That's absolutely adorable. How long do you think they had to look for a pair of kangaroos? I wonder when the revival began or if they had to like Um, cause Sean is the way wearing them in, in present day as well. Oh yeah. So do we think they got like vintage ones or do we think they.
00:07:38
Speaker
Oh, okay. By the end of the 80s, the popularity of the sneaker was on decline. Executives departed from the company and they were quietly withdrawn from the market. However, nostalgia combined with an appreciation of the shoe's athletic design and its ubiquitous pocket led to a reappearance in the late 90s. So they were in existence by the time they made the show. Okay, that's fair. Source Wikipedia, if you were wondering.
00:08:05
Speaker
They're just like so, so cool. Yeah. Whipped some money out of his shoes. I was like, Oh, it is. And yeah, I love the moment of like Sean giving the money and then kids like, and, the and in the bruise or whatever. and no prudence Yeah. And the kangaroos thought I got away with it too.
00:08:27
Speaker
Yeah, so that's our flashback, which is kind of interesting because i usually when we're looking at the flashback, or oftentimes it seems to have this like underlying theme of what the case is going to be like, but here it really just feels like we're being introduced to this character, which I guess we would have to set some groundwork for considering he he is a, I don't want to call them him a friend, but a acquaintance from way back when. Yeah.
00:08:56
Speaker
Yeah, it just like sets up relationships. Yeah, which is is really important this episode, so I guess maybe that makes sense. Yeah, but it is cool how we get this as a basis, but then it's revealed more slowly how Sean has these this sense of obligation to this guy yeah in spite of that.
00:09:21
Speaker
Yeah, which is really interesting when we think about, I feel like particularly with Sean, we've talked a lot about like morality and why does he do the things that he does. And it's a really interesting case study for him. Yeah. Because here it's, it feels very different than why he usually does this. Here it almost feels like it's out of guilt, like he owes him something. Yeah. Well, it's kind of two things cause he's kind of working, he's working two cases.
00:09:50
Speaker
which is really fun. Yeah, like, they'll be like, or Gus or whoever is like talking about the horse racing and Sean's like very involved in rehashing his seconds better, yeah um which is really fun. But so on the surface level, yeah, it's like he he's obligated to this one case and then the the original case. It's like he's still plagued by that sense of like he didn't get it right, which is a more familiar Seanism.
00:10:23
Speaker
Yes, even just from last episode.
The 'Second Spitter' Subplot
00:10:25
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Talking about the chop shop. Yeah. Yeah. but He didn't get it right. And like he's so committed to the truth. And it is interesting because he didn't. It is very similar to the chop shop because I don't think he knows that he was wrong. Like going into this episode, like, yeah, he's just not.
00:10:47
Speaker
not a hundred percent sure, or he's just like got an inkling that something is off. Yeah. He's got that like underlying suspicion. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, and something that I loved about this whole, I guess we can't really call it the second spitter narrative because he only gets there about halfway, but the spit ball incident. Yes.
00:11:11
Speaker
um I loved, I thought it was so interesting, the the flashbacks that we got, the super imposition of present day Sean and Gus into the flashbacks. It was so interesting, so cool. And even the interaction between Little Sean and Big Sean, I was like, again, we've kind of talked about how Little Sean is like developing these skills and he like doesn't have them all.
00:11:38
Speaker
um So when Big Sean gets like superimposed into the flashback and they're like talking with each other, it's so cute. Yeah. And like little Sean seems to like admire him. Yeah. That's so cool. How beautiful is that? Like, isn't that what we all want for our younger selves to be happy with us? Yes. Absolutely. It's just so good. It's just so good. And even yet, when Gus gets superimposed into it too, they like fist bump each other. Yeah. So cute.
00:12:07
Speaker
yeah and I also think that we have talked a lot about like the point of view of the flashbacks, which I don't think this necessarily calls into question our thesis that like it's like the narrative perspective, but but it is interesting that like I don't know, we've seen the flashbacks exist kind of from the point of view of the show itself and then also from like as memories and this is like kind of a combination and then it's also not so much, it's like memory and like reflection which I guess is like a little bit different right when he's putting himself in it. Right. Reprocess it, I don't know, it's just like a really interesting
00:12:49
Speaker
Yeah, I was wondering, I was wondering this too, what exactly this was because it feels, although it is technically a flashback, it feels different than the flashbacks, if you know what I mean. Yeah. Like the beginning feels very narrator-y as we've, like you said, but then these really feel like I am working through the case. yeah I have to see what this looks like. Close my eyes, picture the room, run it through in my head, which is why maybe the superimpositions of the ... How many times can I say superimpositions? You can get a lot of opportunities to say that word in real life, though. That's true. It's a great word. You can get as many times as you want. Superimposition. How the placing of Big and Little Sean and Big and Little Gus
00:13:40
Speaker
doesn't really feel out of place because the whole thing kind of feels different then. the, you know, tradition. Yeah, it's very like mind policy, like the way yes I'm going into memory. Yes, exactly. That's a great way to put it. It does feel very mind policy. And even him like being able to run back all of these details. when Yeah, and which is shot like I love the moment where Gus walks in. And he's like, why am I on the detention list? and And it seems like it's gonna be a bit like like making
00:14:12
Speaker
and Just like doing it to annoy him, but he's like, no, you got in trouble for eating the cat out of the garbage. Like he, he has every detail down to the color of the wall. yeah Beautiful diorama. Yeah, it it is is beautiful. The idea of that. Yeah, he's like calling Gusk in some emergency because he needs the color of the wall.
00:14:33
Speaker
But it's like, it is one of the, it's almost like conception, you know? It's like yeah one little thing is wrong, then the whole thing falls apart. Like, yeah if we're thinking like mind palaces and stuff, it's like, maybe that is how it works. It's like, if he doesn't get that right, he doesn't trust that everything else is right. Ah, interesting.
00:14:50
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that would make sense. And it would make sense as to why he felt like it was such a revelation that they switched seats the week before. Right, yeah. Because now everyone's in different locations. And that means everyone had different opportunities. Gosh, can you imagine being able to like revisit with a scene of your life like that? I guess it depends on the scene. Yeah, right. I know. It's like a gift and a curse situation. Probably proud of us. Yeah.
00:15:19
Speaker
Yeah, well because I'm sure, and I wonder how good Sean is at ah compartmentalizing those things. because I think it'd be really wonderful, yeah, to go back to all of these great memories or the memories that are are really useful. But you know there are times in our lives when, especially if you're someone who like suffers from some form of anxiety, when you sit down, you're just like, why did I do that thing in seventh grade? And then you think about it for 10 minutes and you're like, oh my gosh, that is so awkward. Yeah. No, imagine. Think about it, Erwin. Think about it.
00:15:53
Speaker
But now imagine you could do that and literally relive it. I wonder if that's why Sean like fills his brain with so much nonsense and popular culture that was to keep that at bay. you know If you had your whole life close at hand, that could be a challenge. Oh my gosh, yeah. I feel like that would be...
00:16:18
Speaker
That would be really tough. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know how he's not like swimming in just a soup of disarray. Yeah. I mean, actually that makes sense. Like why he is like running and like why he keeps things at a, you know, at an arm's length emotionally, you know? Yeah. Oh yeah. He'll be reliving whatever this is for the rest of his life if it doesn't go well. Yeah. Oh, Sean. Or Sean. Oh my gosh. not shan I ain't know. Shawny boy.
00:16:48
Speaker
He's so, I feel like he really is. He's very complex, as simple of a man as he seems on the outside. Just someone who wants to have fun, you know? Yeah. But he really is. He's got so much going on in that noggin of his. He does. It's like his trick is like making everybody think that he's just this baseball. Yeah.
00:17:15
Speaker
I'm so sad. A moment of silence for Sean. and moment silence
00:17:22
Speaker
So we we got through the we got through the flashback, right? Pretty much, that was it.
Jimmy Nichols Returns as a Jockey
00:17:26
Speaker
My question, so we get into present day, we're in the office and Sean's gotten a phone call from- And he seems really- Yeah, distressed. Yeah. Yeah, concerned. Got a phone call from yeah Jimmy Nichols.
00:17:40
Speaker
who has been identified as Jimmy Nicholas. Okay, yeah, I had a question about that too. So is Jimmy Nichols his nickname? And they picked Nichols because it sounds like Nicholas, but it's changed and they always stole their money?
00:17:53
Speaker
Let's see what he's billed as in the episode. like okay fair on m db Because yeah it's canon that there are two names at play. yes Because sean okay Sean says Jimmy Nicholas called, I think. yes And then Gus says Jimmy Nichols. Later when they go to the races, Sean is like, when they run into Henry, Sean's like, do you know Jimmy Nichols or whatever? And Henry's like, you mean Jimmy Nicholas. Right, right exactly.
00:18:25
Speaker
It really feels to me, especially because the Nichols name is really only used between Shawn and Gus. It feels like a nickname they had for him as a kid. But it's not even mean. It doesn't do anything. I'm telling you, I feel it's like it's Jimmy Nichols. Like he stole our Nichols. Oh. Nichols, Nicholas, you know? Interesting. Yeah.
00:18:50
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Was I right? I think you're right because that's so silly. It's like everything is silly. It doesn't seem that clever of a nickname, but maybe you were like from the 1930s and you had nickels, but like even they're pulling dollar bills out of their shoes. Maybe they picked it because it was close to Nicholas. I guess. okay so In the description of the episode, it's written nickels.
00:19:19
Speaker
Like the coin. Like N-I-C-K-L-E-S, yeah. Well see, okay, so that was the thing too. Because when, before I wrote it down, I thought of it as nickels as like N-I-C-H. C-H-O-L-S. Yes, exactly. That's what I, well I don't know if I ever wrote his name, but that's what I assumed. Right, but then when I went to write it down I was like, oh could it be nickels like the coins?
00:19:42
Speaker
And I guess it is. It is. I never would have gotten that if I hadn't seen it written down. And then he's billed as Jimmy Nicholas. makes sense. Makes sense. I'm going to say, I'm going to say, yes, Nichols is in reference to the money that he stole. And especially because we get a whole thing about nicknames at the end of the episode with what, what big head Burton, this is like Who's going to call you Black Burton? Who's going to call you beautiful, black.
00:20:15
Speaker
It's so funny. But I also wonder, okay, maybe... It's a nickname that Jimmy gave himself. Oh, could be. Because he steals nickels. Because he said, I'm going to give you a nickel sandwich. Oh, okay. That would make sense. Yeah, he coined it and then he coined it. He coined it and then it just, they caught on. Which also makes more sense for it not being that clever. Because it's from Jimmy. That's fair. That makes sense. so
00:20:50
Speaker
Yeah, and he he's definitely not portrayed in any of the flashback or recollection sequences as like this very bright human. No, I mean, I kind of love this character. And my favorite thing about yeah him is that he has no regrets.
00:21:07
Speaker
Oh, not. He's like, he's like fond memories of being their bully, which I think is so funny, because I feel like usually you see a bully character and they're like apologetic or like, you know, that he might come to them and be like, Oh, sorry, I did, you know, short, but you know, you can do this favor, but like, that is not what it is at all. He's like, Okay, butt munch is like, you guys are going to overwhelm the zos for me. Yeah, yeah which I kind of day. I mean,
00:21:33
Speaker
Obviously, not somebody I want to hang out with, but like for a character, I think it's really fun. well yeah Yeah, exactly. It feels like that whole ah that whole idea of we don't have to like every one of the characters that we experience. It's going to be an interesting character. yeah This is an interesting guy. and that The more you learn about him, it's totally interesting.
00:21:55
Speaker
i mean Yeah, we we can get into it with this whole second spitter thing. But like, what do you think about like what his life became? Yeah. And it makes sense. I feel like just the fact that he's a jockey is like so interesting. Like, how does that get into that? Like, did he have an interest in horses? Did someone just say, you know, you're of shorter stature and, you know, that'll be good for jockeying? Like, I don't know. It's so intriguing. I want to hear more about this man's life. Yeah. And Was he living in Hawaii when he got into jockeying? Oh, wonderful question. Do they even have horses in Hawaii? Huh. Horses aren't even native to the Americas. Horses are native to the... You know what, I think they do have horses in Hawaii because you can horseback ride there. Ah, colonization at its finest. Well, sure. Okay. In 1803. Okay, this is...
00:22:55
Speaker
from Paniolo Adventures Hawaii Horseback Wrecking. In 1803, Richard Cleveland, an American trader, brought the first horse to Hawaii. There you go. So there are horses there. So maybe he he could have, yeah. Yeah, I mean, i could see I could see why he's a perfect fit for it. like Not that I don't know about what kind of lives jockeys lead, but they're presented in this episode as like,
00:23:25
Speaker
playboy party people. you know We've got one who's on a bunch of drugs. yeah you know i mean I guess they're professional athletes.
00:23:36
Speaker
so That comes with its cliches of having like yeah money and girls and drugs and that kind of stuff. so That's kind of what we're presented with. so I could see Jimmy wanting to get into that, if it seems like a good fit for him, like yeah personality wine being attracted to that lifestyle, yeah yeah and then like physically like him being suited for it. yeah well I feel like there's down that road like there's ah i'm going to say a stereotype just because I do not know if it's true.
00:24:07
Speaker
but I feel like there's a stereotype with jockeys and having to be underweight because you want to be the the lightest that you can be on the horse so the horse can ride the fastest which is why I think we get some of like the drug stuff to try and like you know and We do have a comment from Jimmy that he has to go lose five pounds before his next race. Yeah, exactly. I wonder if that's you know that's probably also a little bit in there and some of the traumatic you know things that can come along with with watching one's weight so much.
00:24:42
Speaker
here But yeah, so it's interesting and certainly not something I think Shawn and Gus expected when they found out that Jimmy Nicholas is going to be coming back to the office or to the office. I mean, the gag is that he's much smaller than they would have thought. And when they were kids, he was bigger than them, like several inches taller and more like an imposing figure. He's like their bully. And then when he gets to the office, he's much shorter than them. Yeah. Yeah. they The boys are definitely taller than him, but it's it's interesting too because I feel like the show does this. The show does a good job of still giving him quite a commanding presence. like Just because he's of a shorter stature doesn't mean that he's
00:25:36
Speaker
like, weak or meek or anything like that. Like, he's still very well, I mean, this yeah, just the character as we just said, like, he, yeah, and he does he doesn't seem insecure about his height at all. No, no, not at all. He's very well jockey. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, he walks in. He's definitely like you said, like he's commanding that room and yeah, keeping Sean and Gus in their place. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, he seems like he has a pretty
00:26:04
Speaker
I don't want to say charmed because we say that about Sean a lot, but it seems like he has a pretty good life going for him. like He's making good money doing this. He wins a lot of his races. He's very well known. He's got a beautiful wife. like He has a good amount of money. It doesn't seem like there's really any cons to this right now other than his you know last couple of horses haven't been doing so well. yeah Yeah, I mean, not to like get ahead, but just in terms of the characterization of Jimmy, like later with when he was back with TBW.
00:26:37
Speaker
Oh yeah and after infidelity thanks yes. Yes. The way he describes like, I gotta give that up. She was a former Miss Oxnard and with no sense of smell. Like just the kind, like he's just,
00:26:55
Speaker
It's so funny. Yeah. I mean, he's very shallow and like... Yeah. i mean and and Or or and when he finds out about her infidelity and he's like, I can't believe if she did that, especially when I said I was going to stop sleeping with Russian models.
Gus's Revelation as the 'Second Spitter'
00:27:08
Speaker
Yeah. This is just like not... Yeah. He just... He's an open book. like he he is a your Yeah. Yeah. he Yeah. He has no shame about any of this. No shame. Yeah.
00:27:22
Speaker
And what a, you know, to some degree, what a great way to be. Sure. You know, I mean, I think we should all be self-reflective about our choices and whether or not they were good choices and and harmed other people or not. Yeah. Instead of talking about this before recording. But, you know, I don't think you should do things to intentionally harm other people. However, I feel like there are a lot of things that we just as people are overly critical about and overly, I would say maybe based on the society that we live in, we put an increased amount of unnecessary shame on ourselves for things. And he's just like, who cares? I know. Yeah. I mean, I know, I don't want to like justify his childhood actions, obviously would not approve, but we all have done crappy things in our youth.
00:28:12
Speaker
and and growing pains and and the fact that he's just like you know it doesn't haunt him in the way he haunts a lot. just like Just the way Sean is haunted by what he did to him, to Jimmy. Jimmy like doesn't give a crap about what he did to Sean, which I think isn't necessarily a good thing, but I don't know, it's interesting.
00:28:35
Speaker
Obviously we see what Jimmy has done in the relationship he has with Shawn and Gus, but then the teacher happily. He sent her up to the hospital or whatever, and he is so chuffed by it at the end. It's a little sinister. know. It is so interesting.
00:29:00
Speaker
this, the whole interaction between Shawn and Gus when Shawn figures it out, that Gus was quote unquote the second spitter, the person who really shot the spitball. I could not tell and I think this is what you're honing in on. I could not tell if he was proud of himself for what he did or if he was proud of the fact that Shawn couldn't figure it out essentially without him telling him.
00:29:25
Speaker
I kind of feel like it's both. I don't think he's proud of hurting the teacher. And he kind of says that like, I'm sorry that she got hurt. But he was proud of what happened to Jimmy. like He was proud of the fact that he got the bully away. Yes. And he's still and he got away with it. Like, right? No, he came out on top and the lady, she survived.
00:29:44
Speaker
you know
00:29:47
Speaker
I think I think he's calling it a win all around. Yeah, he got one over on Sean, which I also love that now we're like deep in the second spitter. Yeah, yeah. Which is fine. But okay um I also love the dynamic of it of like, Sean never told Gus that he's the one who ratted out Jimmy and Gus never told Sean that he's the one who did it. Yeah. And so that they both are coming into this episode with this secret. It was just really fun for like their relationship.
00:30:15
Speaker
Yeah, and i I love the whole idea too that even as much as you know someone and as well as you know someone, there's still always parts of that other person that you don't really know.
00:30:26
Speaker
like Gus being like, you don't know all my secret shots. Yeah. And I mean, just that you don't know, but also it's just that that will surprise you. Like, Sean is floored by this, that Gus did this. Yeah. That he kept it from him and that he did that. I mean, it is shocking that Gus is the one that did that. But I also feel like, I don't know, it's like Stillwater, he went deep or something like yeah yeah the nerdy kid.
00:30:51
Speaker
and yes And that's the kid that gets away with it because you never expected of them. Yeah, it's true. It's true. And I think it paints a whole new light on Gus in this subplot. so The whole time being like, are you still focusing on that second spitter thing? I mean, I hesitate to bring it up because Kevin Spacey is cancelled. We can always cut it out. Boo. But it reminds me a lot of the usual suspects. Oh, great movie. And that scene at the end when they're walking away, like reminds me of Kylie Sose walking away. It's like, yeah he's like a mastermind. And you're like, what? It was you the whole time? Yeah, yeah. Like, that's how it feels watching Gus. And he, and even just the way like,
00:31:40
Speaker
as it starts, as he starts to smile, like it feels like the limp
Trio Dynamics and Maturity
00:31:44
Speaker
falling away. like but every real tell of that Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, i I totally could see that. Yeah. Yeah. And and Sean being so like, oh, Gus. I mean, I can't think of another time where we think of Gus in that way where he could be the bad guy. Yeah, especially like straight laced.
00:32:09
Speaker
Yeah. Guster, like follows the rules and does what he's told. Yeah. And even when you see like them in the, in the memory, um, and like little Gus in his little like sweater vest and it's like, he's so unassuming. Yeah. But he did it. We, I feel like we end up usually pulling things from I kind of said this in the beginning, but we end up usually pulling things from the the flashback or from like the B plot that kind of pair into the the main plot, but do we really, can we see that here?
00:32:48
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like the the second spitter in it worth yeah with the horse racing oh i mean i get the spitting blow dart aspect the nature of the crime i guess yeah yeah no you're right yeah exactly oh my god literally how did i not see that what a great parallel yeah it is funny and she falls off the ladder and he falls off a horse so true hmm
00:33:16
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I mean, she doesn't die, but you know. Yeah. Gus made a comment like, she could have, she was old. Yeah. it all do Do we think Gus meant to hit her? Maybe he didn't oh i don't just i don't mean for her to fall off. Yeah, I would hope so. I would hope so. Because like ah the the crime, the case we're working on is an accident. So maybe, I mean, why do people,
00:33:46
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Why do people blow spitballs? Blow them? Throw them? Project throw them? I guess blow them. Yeah, I don't know. Just to be a nuisance? That's fair. It's not really something that happens anymore. Yeah, not something I ever attempted. I don't think. Yeah, me either.
00:34:06
Speaker
If you were a child bully, news no all yeah let us know. Were you targeting people or just trying to be gross and hitting the front board? What were you doing? Oh, I do just want to say one of the lines that I thought was great in this scene before Jimmy Nichols comes in is...
00:34:27
Speaker
Gus is like, he's gonna try and kill us. And Sean goes, some people are just born evil. And he starts like listing and listing and listing things. And he goes, and Chad Michael Murray. Yeah, Gus said that. I wrote that down too. Oh, was it Gus? Yes. It was Gus. From Indetta against Chad Michael Murray continues. It's so funny. are you Yeah. I wonder if he's a Gilmore Girls fan. I feel like Gus would love Gilmore.
00:34:52
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i Yeah, I definitely guess. I feel like Sean would be the too cool for school. but i think just I think we've talked about like Sean and Lorelei we find are very similar. Yes. Yes, very similar.
00:35:09
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Anyway, I bring that up because Chad Michael Murray was the... Yeah, the first season, right? Bro-y mean guy in the world. Yeah. So maybe that's what Gus is referring to. agree. That would make sense. We also get some new additions to the psych office. We get some lockers. Oh, we yeah. Mm-hmm. And now he has somewhere to put a sociology textbook, which is so exciting.
00:35:34
Speaker
Yeah, this episode also kind of continues from the this last episode, like the whole like them being children thing, right? Yes. Yeah. Last episode. So we see the same thing here. He's buying the lockers and that's what Jimmy Nichols observes. Like he's like, you guys haven't grown up at all. At all. Yeah.
00:35:52
Speaker
Which is interesting. It's interesting because I feel like we didn't there wasn't really too many comments on that in the first season. And it's coming up a lot now in this season. And maybe that's just kind of part of the the thematic change of of season two, is we want to see them like grow up a little bit maybe. But I don't know. It's interesting to hear people literally say, you're children. Yeah, well, it is. i mean last season, they were just like, just getting into this, but now it's like they are their business people. Right. This is their job. Yeah. And so maybe that's why like they are maybe expected to be a more professional or I mean, this guy's coming to them to hire them for right work. he's like You guys are still
00:36:43
Speaker
Same. You're still 12.
00:36:49
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But hey, why not have both? Yeah. Another line I have from Jimmy Nichols was, oh, something about, he says something about his mounts. And then Gus says something about his mounts. And he's like, of course it's Guster. What is wrong with you? And then Gus is coming.
00:37:08
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um yeah
00:37:11
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yeah so you like He ribs them. And I mean, in like, You know, Sean and Gus rib each other all the time, but he's very aggressive about it. Yeah, he's pretty, he's just mean-spirited. Yeah, he is. And maybe that's just his like defense mechanism or whatever, or maybe he's just a bully, who knows. But again, he's coming in to hire them. You'd think he'd want to be kind of nice or... Yeah. Well, it is interesting because by the end, I do think they have like an arc as far as his yeah yeah how he views them, because by the end he has more respect for them. Yeah.
00:37:44
Speaker
And so like maybe at this point he's just like, I mean, he doesn't come in, like he comes in being like, you guys are going to do this for me. Right. Like he doesn't yeah like, he's like bullying them into doing it. Yes. So.
00:38:00
Speaker
Yeah. He doesn't really have any, any respect or any need to be nice or anything. I suppose. Yeah. He's not really asking. He's telling. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. And I do love how Gus still so perturbed by the stealing of all the lunch money. So that he did the math and it was what, like for $1,800 was it? $1,800. Yes. With inflation. So you're going to overcharge him $1,800. Get all that back. Which I mean, you know, they set their own, their own price. Yeah.
00:38:28
Speaker
so Which I wonder how that, you know, I feel like in later seasons, they talk a little bit about like expenses. What do you think they actually, because right now, I mean, with the police, they're just going to give them whatever they're going to give them. I'm sure and they're not like on retainer, if you will. But when they're hired privately, I bet they could be like, and also all of our snacks for the next two weeks. Yeah. I mean, they do kind of do stuff like that. Like, um, I'm thinking of the episode with the really rich family.
00:38:59
Speaker
And the guy in the plane. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're right. I'm the woman who's a very famous actress whose name escapes me, but. She was in um Mamma Mia, wasn't she? Yeah, right. Right. Christine Maransky. But anyway, when she did it, and she's like, bison but that's like part of their demands. It's like, yes. Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
00:39:27
Speaker
Like, i I wonder if now, well, maybe, you know, we haven't really seen them as such snackophiles, if you will. Yeah, but I wonder, like, this would be the prime time to be like, Jimmy, you're also paying for all of our food. Yeah. And this is a good example, though, of which I think will continue is that it really depends on who they're working for. it Oh, yes. Yeah. They will also do it for free. Absolutely. yeah They are.
00:39:52
Speaker
little sweet babies. They're not really great businessmen. No. They do a lot of pro bono. Yeah, they're also not doing it to make money. I think that's part of the thing too. Like this is just something that essentially fell into their lap and they're like, why not take extra cases on the side if the police aren't hiring us? Yeah, occasionally they have to make money, like they have to make rent or whatever, how to pay their cable bill, but like if they're good and somebody needs them, then they will do it. Yeah. They're like little superheroes.
00:40:24
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00:40:32
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So, Shawn agrees to it. Yes. Just Gus's. And then Jimmy leaves, and Gus says he's crazy. And one line I wrote down, and Shawn was like, I wouldn't say crazy, maybe an eccentric who looks good in jeans.
00:40:53
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, sure. He's like so quick and silly. He's so, yeah, he's very quick witted, very, very quick witted. And yeah, and so preposterous. Yeah. What a silly thing to comment on his jeans. They were nice jeans, but like, okay. And then Sean Phil's guessing on why.
00:41:20
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Oh yes, because he feels he feels like he he pinned it on the wrong person. Yeah, when it was his fault and they heard so many rumors about what happened to him. Right, right. Oh yeah, I may have stunted his growth. Yeah.
00:41:35
Speaker
Sean, don't give yourself that much credit, but of course you would. I love um his reasoning, Sean's reasoning for why he he thought it might have hit him. and hes like dude, chips was gonna come in 20 minutes. I was like supposed to do. Yeah, I guess it was like, you mean the show you watch like all the time. and cu are going to be fine it was the one Like episode.
00:42:03
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so
00:42:06
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But you know, I mean, to be fair, we've talked a lot about appointment television. We've talked a lot about appointment television. like This was his appointment. He wanted to go home and watch. And so Sean. So Sean. To be committed to that. Yes. Who doesn't want to see a car crash and a bunch of flaming after school each day? No? You totally throw off his groove. Can't have that. He's such a dedicated viewer.
00:42:33
Speaker
He is dedicated consumer of popular culture. Yes. He needs that information in his head. Yes. To possibly reference at a later date. Yes. Oh, and then I think, so then we get our kind of first going into the mind palace because I have little Sean's. Your hair looks great. Oh yes. Your hair looks great. Yes. I thought I was going to go ball if I 20. It's changed everything.
00:43:02
Speaker
Which is done so Sean. Yeah. So preoccupied with hair. Yeah. And maybe that's why he's so preoccupied with his hair because he was really worried about losing it because Henry is full bald. Although Henry had, I mean, Henry had a good head of hair when he was a kid. So it's interesting that he would make that comment I thought the same. I was like, Henry's hair is not that bad. I don't know where he got the idea. Henry's got a good head of hair at this age. Yeah. Maybe did his, was his grandpa bald? But no, I feel like he wasn't. I feel like when we see his grandpa, he's got like thick, very white hair. Grandpa Spencer, you know, he only has a little bit of hair.
00:43:48
Speaker
He's got like the ah top of his head is bald, but the outer parts are haired. So very receding, which maybe Henry is receding a little at this time, or maybe Henry's like worried about it. Cause you know that the way we talk about ourselves, the children will listen. So maybe that's something. Yeah. Who knows? Maybe he's using like Rogaine and stuff preemptively and Sean's picking up on that.
00:44:19
Speaker
um I loved it. When we cut back to office, cause Sean's like telling Gus this story, which is like, I don't know. It's a fun feeling of like going back and forth and they're just like talking. I don't know. It's cute. But Gus is curling a dumbbell.
00:44:38
Speaker
He's like exercising. I know. so get his strength up to fight Jimmy Nicole. Yes. So funny. And maybe he's feeling a little cocky because Sean's telling him this story and he's like sitting on the fact that he did it. Yeah. But it is just so funny in terms of like actor business of just like, okay, we're going to cut back and then you'll be crazy. And then Sean's doing something weird too, which I didn't. Is he holding his frog again? so I don't remember.
00:45:08
Speaker
There's like a weird frog that they've had in the office a couple times that Sean just like occasionally holds. What are you doing with that? They were just like, do something with your hands. And he was like, frog. Yeah, well, and I wonder too, well, yeah, the dumbbells seem pretty purposeful. So they probably were like, delay, he'll use these dumbbells. But some things I wonder, like, what do they just say? Okay, do something like make it look.
00:45:34
Speaker
Yeah, her person well, that's the thing. That's like the hardest thing. Look like a human being. but Look like you're normal. Okay. And we know what these do. That's tough at times.
00:45:46
Speaker
e All right, is it then that we go to the track? Yes. and me the This hole. He makes such good horse noises. And like the faces. So good. I can't do that with my mouth. No, me either. I'm trying to even think about how I would do that. yeah His lips are just like flailing.
00:46:11
Speaker
It's very committed to talking to this horse. and Which is committed to all things, though. That makes sense. It's true. And runnyd has given him a lot, telling him that he doesn't like the oats. Or what is it? He doesn't like the...
00:46:25
Speaker
He doesn't like any of it. Pellets aren't crunchy enough. pellow Yeah, they're not. They should be crunchy. And the donkey in Table 5 is a pathological liar.
00:46:38
Speaker
Which, I mean, look, to Sean's credit, like as silly as all this is, I feel like if I were to talk to my pet,
00:46:49
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He would probably bring up a bunch of random nonsense too. Yeah. Before he would actually answer my question, you know. Yeah. Well, yeah. If you walked up to your bed and said, what's your problem? Yeah, exactly. They might have a whole bunch of problems. Oh my God. 100%. It's not cold enough in here. You didn't give me my food yet. Yeah. I want to make sure that this section of the bed is always my section of the bed. And the birds outside don't come around enough.
00:47:17
Speaker
Yeah, and which which is really what the horse is doing. I mean, the horse isn't like, I'm not running the horses theoretically, because of course, he's not actually psychically talking to the horse. But the horse isn't like, yeah, they I got stung by a thing. And ouchie, that's why I did bad. It's like, no, I'm perturbed by all these other things, which, I mean, tracks, I think, even though it seems really weird.
00:47:41
Speaker
I do think also kind of sells it, even though Jimmy's like, okay, this is pointless. Yeah. I think he kind of sold it. Yeah, I think so too. I mean, this horse is at their workplace and they have complaints. Yeah. And that's fair. I think we all do. So Jimmy, yeah, Jimmy's like not too thrilled with the product.
00:48:07
Speaker
ah Currently giving. Which, I mean, i'm I'm wondering if Jimmy thought that he would like walk into the office, get Sean, bring him over here, and then bing, bang, boom. He would find out what was wrong and everything would be better. Which, to be fair, if you if you actually thought Sean was a psychic, i think that's I don't think that's irrational of a thought.
00:48:31
Speaker
especially not having seen how he works. Correct. Yeah. Not knowing how silly this whole thing was going to be. yet Because like, I mean, he he creates a lot of lore around how the psychic realm works and like what is revealed to him and when and stuff. Yes. And you didn't have all that.
00:48:48
Speaker
Right. Yeah, you you would think this would get done pretty quick. So he ends up leaving and the boys end up snooping around the track to see if they can get any other information. And lo and behold, who do they find but our lovely Henry?
Encounter with Henry at the Race Track
00:49:04
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And he is in a lucky track shirt that Sean is just appalled by. Yeah.
00:49:12
Speaker
I feel like it's really not that bad of a shirt. Yeah. This of all the shirts we see in this episode, I feel like that's the best one. Yeah. Like it really isn't that bad. And you know, people are weird with their like superstitions and stuff like that. So if theoretically he's going to win him money, let him wear it. Yeah, I do. I wonder like,
00:49:36
Speaker
A couple things. I wonder like what if when they were thinking about this episode, if like it started with what's a hobby Henry would have ah being at the track because I feel like that is yeah such a Henry like it's such a perfect Henry character thing. Yeah.
00:49:55
Speaker
that feels it almost feels like it has to be the starting point for the breaking of this episode. um And then I feel like they the kind of guy who is hanging out the track has these crazy shirts and so like they like really want to play into that. um So I do think it's very fun, even though I agree with you, like they're not Yeah, well, and we already see Henry wearing like Hawaii. That's true. Yeah. right So I feel like this is just ah like out of character. Yeah, this is just like it lightly elevated. Yeah, maybe part of it is the whole like vibe of like himha bang yeah his shirt at the track and just like the kind of guy that represents and then like, I don't like this. Yeah, I don't want to be I don't want to be around this at all associated.
00:50:43
Speaker
Yeah, and I feel like that guy, whatever that guy is, I feel like is that other guy. but Yeah, that's so true. Sorry, it's like compliment Henry or whatever he does. Like that person who's just there way too much probably spends way too much money yeah on the horses and doesn't actually end up winning like Henry says, which I thought thought it was really interesting. and I don't really know much about horse racing. But maybe you do. So tell me if this is like good statistics. Henry said that he won eight out of 11 races that day. Is that good? That seems like a lot to me. I mean, I don't know that much about horse racing. I also
00:51:27
Speaker
I think horses should just be free. I would agree. But that seems like a lot to me. I mean, if you went to a casino and played eight games of something i or played 11 games and won eight times, I think that'd be pretty good. Do we think, do we talk about this? I feel like maybe we did, but I feel like maybe we didn't. Do we think Henry and Sean count cards? Well,
00:51:54
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, we've seen Sean play poker. Which is why I asked if we spoke about it. I don't think we talked about it. I mean, I don't think the episode suggests that he does. It didn't. It didn't. It just suggested that he was really good at reading people. Yeah. But I feel like if you want to make money off of poker, right? Is it poker blackjack? Blackjack.
00:52:18
Speaker
That's what you count cards for. I have no idea. What? I can see myself as someone who has no idea about gambling. Now cards for me either. ah Yeah, Blackjack. Yeah. Blackjackapprenticeship.com. How to count cards in Blackjack. Okay.
00:52:40
Speaker
So maybe that's why because they were playing poker and not blackjack. But I feel like we see like in movie media and stuff, you want to make a lot of money, you can't. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like they have the memory for it too. Like they would remember all the cards that they've seen and stuff like that. But that, that feels kind of like, I mean, horse racing is gambling. Mm-hmm.
00:53:03
Speaker
So yeah, I mean those odds, but even if we just brought closer to like sports betting than like cards. Yeah. And I don't really understand sports, but just bet on who's going to win something. That's fair. I guess part of the problem, I don't know enough about sports to actually make an informed decision.
00:53:24
Speaker
Henry does kind of go on and on about what's required. is that You have to study the horses. and I don't know what all he says, but he talks about all the care and attention it takes to be good at this. yeah and that's why hen or That's why Sean would never be good at it because he doesn't have the... I wrote the words down because I was like, Henry. When did that happen? Is that in its interaction? yes yeah Oh, Henry's little digs about Sean's lack of patience and follow through. Yes. And then he he says at the end of it, and none of them have to do with crystals and moonbeams, which I thought was so interesting because like I could get that coming from Lassie, who doesn't actually know what Sean does. But Henry knows exactly what Sean, like Sean is not using crystals and moonbeams. It's like, why? Yeah.
00:54:16
Speaker
It seemed like kind of a weird throw. That's that's fair. What does Sean say right before that? Or like, what? um
00:54:26
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We're doing a lot of searching on this episode. Hopefully you like the the key clacking. I'm looking for the transcript. OK, fair. OK. Moon. OK. Sean says, he thinks that maybe something's physically wrong with the horses and Henry says yeah the horses are losing that's what's wrong with them yeah we didn't find anything of course you didn't there's a million reasons a horse loses and none of them have to do with crystals and moonbeams maybe I mean it could be more about like
00:55:05
Speaker
Jimmy being silly for even going to Sean? Like think things like that for Jimmy to even go to a psychic for it. right Like the horse is going to tell the psychic what's wrong, but Henry's like, right. It could be what they ate. It could be the time of day. It could be whatever, whatever. And the psychic's not going to be able to tell you, which even though ah he knows Sean's not a psychic, Jimmy still went to a psychic for this.
00:55:33
Speaker
That's fair. That makes way more sense than what I was thinking. Yeah. But I mean, I get what you're saying though, because it he does say it in response to like Sean saying, we didn't find anything. Right. Which is like.
00:55:47
Speaker
And then, yeah, so the way he says it is like, well, that's because you used Chris's moon beams or whatever. but Right. When Henry knows, I mean, they are yeah detectives. They are finding the evidence. Yeah, but I guess Henry is just skeptical that there would be any and anything wrong.
00:56:07
Speaker
No, that's fair. That's fair. Well, especially when he is really like he just, you know, went on and on and on about, he really looks at this as almost like a scientific thing. Like there are lots of different components. Which makes sense for the kind of person Henry is. He's also a detective, so he has taken in the information and drawing conclusions. Well, it seems to be working for him. 8 out of 11. Like who has that? Like a 72% win rate? Like that's pretty good. Yeah.
00:56:32
Speaker
I don't actually know what that is. Let me know. I'm like, two do that mental math, Skylar. It sounds close. 72.7. She's a teacher, folks.
00:56:45
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It's so funny because one of my constant jokes is, guys, I don't teach math. Very bad. should You're actually a savant. Yes. If only that would be so cool. and Oh, and then when Carlos dies, falls off his horse. Yeah, I did. Okay, so Jimmy's, is Jimmy's horses the only ones that are having these problems? Like are they doing are they going after Jimmy's every time?
00:57:13
Speaker
And is it because of the horses? Cause then also like why Carlos is stealing Jimmy's mounts. So was it like this was Jimmy's horse? m Like why is it just these horses? I think the impression that I got was they were just hitting the favorites. Oh and yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. she know Jimmy's the best. Yeah. And Jimmy said that he had like a bunch of good horses coming up. Okay.
00:57:39
Speaker
So I think maybe because Jimmy is really good, he was in a lot of races riding the favorites. So it like turned into a pattern for him. Okay. Yeah, you're right. That makes sense. But, and Jimmy wasn't in this race, was he? No.
00:57:58
Speaker
Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. So Juan Carlos was riding the favorite to win. Okay. Sorry. It took me a second because there's ah there's a moment in the episode where it's like, it's kind of hard to determine if they So spoiler, someone's spittin' spitballs but poison, essentially, right? we Poison darts at the horses and one accidentally hits Juan Carlos. But there's a point in the episode where they almost make it sound like Juan Carlos got in the way, like they they were shooting for another horse and then Juan Carlos got in the way, or that's kind of how I interpret it at one point.
00:58:38
Speaker
so i My brain just did like mental gymnastics to try and figure out what actually happened there. And I ah got it. They were shooting for the horse, but missed the horse, hit one Carlos. So the guy, when he's like, oh, he's fading down the, no, he's gaining. When that happens, it's because he was anticipating it to hit the horse and the horse to slow down, but it didn't cause it hit one Carlos. Yeah. So that just took me a second. and Sorry. No, yeah. It's a good nutshelling. Thank you. It is like.
00:59:11
Speaker
ballsy. but Like, yeah. Cause like, did they not think that this was a possibility? Like, I mean, the guy who is doing the blow darts is just this little camera guy. Like I know he's a great shot. I was going to say also like what talent for him to hit the horses. Yeah. Those horses are running fast. Yeah. And to be swagger. Of course they hit somebody. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. And especially with Like the, the, I don't remember what the specific amount of ketamine it said that he had in his name, but it was enough to tranquilize a horse to put that into like a tiny human being. Like that's dangerous stuff right there. Yeah. One thing they did say was that.
00:59:57
Speaker
the cocktail of drugs was too much. So I wonder if it would be enough. So maybe they were trying not to kill people, but like Juan Carlos happened to have a bunch of other things in his system. Right. Cause the heart attack. Yeah. Plus adrenaline. Right. That makes sense. Cause they are are only giving the horse enough to slow them down. So the horse might not even notice. Right. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. It's not, they're not actually tranquilizing the horse. They're just slowing it down.
01:00:28
Speaker
Regardless, I feel like this is quite the precarious situation. they Yeah. Well, and it's so mean to the horses. I know. All thing is mean to the horses, but well besides that. Yeah. and it I mean, it does show like this our our culprits have little regard for anybody else. Oh, yeah.
01:00:56
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, they're they're just looking to make it big before the traffic closes. That's really the big thing. I mean, I wonder, I really wonder how the the plan was hatched. Yeah. Because they seem like three very different people. Yeah. Like, who thought it up? Did thena and the announcer think it up? Did they all come together and just piece it together?
01:01:24
Speaker
Yeah, it suggested that like the they're all like feeling like they've been there for so long and now they're just going to be out on their butts because the track is great. But the photographer's like a young guy. I feel like it makes sense more for the announcer and the guy because like maybe they're having a drink at the bar at the end of the day or whatever and they're commiserating.
01:01:49
Speaker
yeah um But I don't know, yeah, the photographer feels more like an outlier to me. Yeah, and and that would make sense too as to why at the end he so willingly kind of gives up. Yeah, the announcer that's true. Maybe he was kind of like, because it does seem like at the end, yeah we're making and he was laden brought in like circling motion to there again more we home But it does seem at the end that the announcer is like the the mastermind kind of, and yeah he calls the shots. Yeah. and i And I think part of that has to do with the whole blow dart thing. The alpha. Yeah. Alpha, sure, if you will. um Because like the other older guy is trying to run away.
Race-Fixing Plot Unveiled
01:02:38
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Right. he just
01:02:39
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kind of disappear, which I love that moment of Henry kind of detaining him. He's like, I'm back on the job, buddy. And then, and then, yeah, the little guy is like going to crack the little guy. I don't know why I'm calling him the younger guy, the younger guy. um His energy is little because he's like a little. Yeah, he's spineless. I think that's the energy he gives off. Yeah.
01:03:06
Speaker
um So yeah, he cracks easily. Yeah, very quickly. I mean, they essentially just and say, Hey, you you're in on it. Yeah, I mean, he's definitely the weak link, like, and it's probably weighing on him. You know, he never he killed him for one. Yeah, he killed him. He metaphorically pulled the trigger. So But yeah, click the camera. He also then went and pretended to try and revive me. But just to cover it up, like this is a very, but I feel like, I feel like he was just in way over his head. Like I feel like he was just spinning out and was like, I got to get that dart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't get in trouble. What do I have to do? Yeah. So like, I feel like he wasn't, I mean, obviously he did a bad thing and he's rare and will go to jail. But, um, I feel like he,
01:04:02
Speaker
didn't have like sinister intentions. and And it was more like he was in a situation where he had to do something. Because I feel like he, yeah every time we see him, he looks yeah sort of like he's just seen a ghost or something. He definitely seems distressed. yeah The other two don't really seem perturbed at all. Yeah. And the announcer guy is probably like just Keep going. You can't give up now. It's too late. You can't get out of it. Because he definitely seems a little more... He even is like planting seeds, which I think he's planting seeds for to put it on Jimmy. Yeah. They put the ketamine in his locker. Yeah. Oh yeah. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. Because I was just thinking about when he's talking to Sean and Gus and Henry and he's like, oh yeah, his wife.
01:04:56
Speaker
Oh, yeah. yeah life Like he and he would know kind of, you know, he's around. yeah Oh, yeah. Yeah. Probably knows what's going on. And so like he kind of just plants the seed of the infidelity for motive. So he seems to be like ahead of everybody. Like yeah the ringleader here. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree. I think that would make. Yeah, that would make sense.
01:05:23
Speaker
I don't know why they like, you know, I get the announcer obviously has to do his job. The track isn't closed yet. And maybe they're trying to like not draw suspicion by not showing up to the track, but like the gambler guy doesn't have to be there. And also the photographer, why did he bring the poison blow dark camera with him? Like why did he keep it with him? Well, they're not done, are they? Is it the same day?
01:05:51
Speaker
What? The Derby late? This whole episode? Is it all the same day? No. No, because they all... It's like... It seems like it goes on for a while. So they go to the races once and then... Oh, right. Henry put Sean on the shirt. Yeah, a different day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they come back for the Derby at the end, which is like a big event. Oh, you're saying that they're gonna hit another horse. Yeah. Ah, okay, okay, okay. One would think that you'd call it quits after someone dies.
01:06:19
Speaker
Maybe that's why photographer guy was like going to him was like, we got to call this up. I mean, we're like creating a whole story for this man. But I mean, he was giving us that in his performance. Yeah, he was. So yeah,
01:06:34
Speaker
um so yeah maybe maybe he was going to the announcer to be like, we need to be done. And he's like, you're in too deep. Would make sense. um Yeah, if you wanted the cash. Yeah, right. Yeah.
01:06:47
Speaker
And it's the Derby, so I bet they'll make more money because there's more people gambling. It's like a big event. ah That final day is like a big, because it ah there's just like a lot of people there. That's fair. Oh, I guess that makes sense. The more people that bet, the more the payout is. Yeah. Got it. Got it. So Juan Carlos dies.
01:07:13
Speaker
and Lassie and Jules come. And Jules is like, yeah what were you guys doing here? And they're like, no, this time actually it was kind of a sheer coincidence. We didn't know that he was going to die. We were here for another reason. And Jules is like, okay, I mean, sure, I guess. And this is when we see Lassie feed the horsey.
01:07:35
Speaker
um
01:07:38
Speaker
Which of course, Sean will use again, Tim later, but it was really sweet to get like a little bit more of Lassie lore. Yeah, a little humanity. Yeah. And it's so cute too, because he, you know, he did it very secretly. like you thought Yeah, he didn't want to That's adorable.
01:07:56
Speaker
Yeah, and we also get some Jules characterization with ah her fear of short people because she made it an elf. Yes. And I love that, that like flipping flipping, like flipping of that story because I feel like, yeah, the stereotypical storyline would have been, yeah, she didn't like elves because they creeped her out or something.
01:08:18
Speaker
But here it was, no, she dated someone and had a bad experience. Broke her heart, yeah. Broke her heart, yeah, like, love it. Yeah, so she is an enigma wrapped in a little plot riddle.
01:08:29
Speaker
Which is so true. Jules is just a constant surprise. I feel like that's part of her character. It's just that she's a weirdo. And honestly, I feel like that's probably part of the reason why Sean is drawn to her because she's always so interesting and new and there's stuff to learn about her. She's the motorbike. Yes, she's the motorbike. It's true. It's true.
01:08:51
Speaker
but they'll get a car one day, one day. He can get a car because he has her for the adventure. She is the adventure. Oh, so sweet. So And we also get, we get just some like great stuff about everyone because then Gus comes in and pulls out his medical knowledge again. Yeah.
01:09:13
Speaker
how Like, I didn't get to see the guy long enough, but he was likely poisoned or whatever based on his eyes and his body rigidity. And I was like, Gus, wow. Like, good move there. And then of course we have to have a, you know, he's short gag. They go and they open up the ah coroner's bag and, you know, they opened it up a couple of times and they're like, we still don't see him. Oh my goodness. And then Sean goes, we have boots. Just so silly.
01:09:42
Speaker
And yeah, so we're going with poisoned. That's the big thing that we're going with. Yes. And we go to the station briefly. Yes. Do you tell them that? Of course, we must define it. They're already on the same page, sort of. But I love Sean Watson. It's like, everybody stop or whatever. Can we please acknowledge that you're wearing leopard print?
01:10:05
Speaker
it
01:10:07
Speaker
Okay, continue. There's nothing more than just let's look at her. and this is just like ah right I guess this is what I get. We're having the psychics here. Yeah, and I loved that. yeah This little interaction was a bunch of like surprises. Sean commenting on the shirt. They're really not being much of a bit other than that.
01:10:34
Speaker
Sean making all these references to poison, and then Lassie agreeing with Sean, and Sean being like, Chief, I am done with Lassie's constant denial. I was like, wait, hold on, what did she say? That was really fun. Yeah, it was interesting.
01:10:53
Speaker
Yeah. Like interactions between them. Although I did find, this is where I was going, I did find the one last part of this. I was like, what, what was she getting at here? And you have to do a very good job of clarifying things for me. So let's see if you heard this differently than I did. So Sean says that he was poisoned and then that his wife was cheating. Jimmy's wife was cheating. Yeah. Cause we didn't mention that he saw at the races he saw.
01:11:22
Speaker
A blonde, wait. Tall blonde woman. Yeah. Yeah. With Juan Carlos. Okay. Because I was like, wait, how does he already know about Jimmy? But he doesn't. He just knows that Juan Carlos was with a married woman or engaged woman or something. Oh, yeah, I guess we don't know this at this point, but just that he's cheating with a married woman. Yes. And then Jules says, Sean, how do you know this?
01:11:45
Speaker
And I was like, Jules.
01:11:49
Speaker
It's the whole thing. I actually, I thought the same thing, but I thought it was funny that she asked. That's like his whole thing. It's his whole thing. Like he just knows stuff. I was like, what do you mean Juliet? And it was like, was she just so enamored by... She does?
01:12:10
Speaker
That could be it. she I feel like she doesn't really deliver it that way. No, she doesn't. But she often is very like in awe of him. ah Yeah. I'm trying to find now in the transcript what he says after that.
01:12:30
Speaker
Oh, I mean, maybe in a very pure sense. It's just a way to set up Sean saying the same way I know that as a child, that he wanted nothing more than a pony. Oh yeah. Yeah, it could be. They just really wanted to throw that in there. It's like a script. They couldn't think of anything better, maybe. But yeah,
01:12:51
Speaker
yeah I can't. But I thought the same thing of like, yeah, why would you ask? that is his whole thing. Well you know this. I also thought another great line in the scene was after Lassie agrees with Sean about Juan Carlos, how he plays and he goes, he was four foot nine and three feet if that was drugs.
01:13:15
Speaker
Does that mean that is great? Yeah, we said that was drugs.
01:13:24
Speaker
Yeah, and then he like lists off a butt ton of different things that one person has in the system. I didn't write them all down, but it seems like a lot. Yeah. Well, I do have the transfer moment right at this part. Oh, perfect. Do we want to hear what it is? Yes.
Drugs, Humor, and Flashback
01:13:37
Speaker
Let's hear it. All right. Opiates, barbiturates, cocaine, three different kinds of weight loss drugs, sialis, and horse tranquilizers.
01:13:47
Speaker
Wow, that is a lot. That is a lot. And I guess, were there like trace amounts or was he currently on all of these things? I mean, three feet of that were drugs. It sounds like not a not an insignificant amount. Well, he was right. I'm surprised he stayed on the horse to begin with. Crazy. but the the mention of the weight loss drugs, I think is what I was referencing. Yeah, that like yeah you're right. There is like a thread of that. Yeah.
01:14:17
Speaker
Which I mean, again, like makes sense for the, makes sense for the sport, quote unquote, of like wanting to be light, but certainly not good for anyone's psyche. and so Oh, and then we get more work on the spitball incident.
01:14:31
Speaker
with Sean in the flashback, we discussed this. So we can jump to meeting the announcer, which is, yes.
Henry’s Shirt and Announcer Interaction
01:14:39
Speaker
And we see Henry in another shirt. I would say the worst of the two. Yes. Definitely more of a garish shirt. Yeah.
01:14:50
Speaker
And they end up seeing the announcer, who I love that he just has buttons in his pocket. I know. As the race is on. He definitely like gives off jaded vibes. Oh, but perhaps absolutely. He's like, doesn't really want to talk to fans, but he's like, no here you go, have a butt. Yeah, here's a button. He's like, I frickin' hang my life. I guess this is all you want from me is this darn button. And in this funny house, Sean and Gus are really like play into it. They are.
01:15:20
Speaker
The race is on! The race is on! Yeah, they like to say it for seven different times. Yeah, it's so good. And then when they run into him later and they're still doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. oh god And this is when we find out that the the track is probably closing. Yes. And i mean that the blonde that Carlos was sleeping with is Jimmy's wife. Yep. And we got a lot of information here. We also found out that John what john Carlos, Juan Carlos was also taking all of Jimmy's good horses. Yeah. Well, we do get a lot of information because he is trying to give them all that information, yeah which is clever in terms of like,
01:16:06
Speaker
the structure of the like writing of the episode because all that exposition is delivered by someone who wants to give them that exposition.
Track Closure and Love Affair
01:16:14
Speaker
Right. no and And I think for what it was, for as much evidence as they gave, as he gave them, they didn't suspect him until the very end.
01:16:30
Speaker
Yeah. Like he did a pretty good job of weaving this into the conversation without making it seem suspicious, I suppose. Yeah, and maybe his public persona like helps that. um Yes, that's true. He's like a famous guy and like beloved and kind of an institution and so they're not really thinking he's the bad guy. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, he is like the face of this place.
01:16:55
Speaker
This is a little bit of a sidebar. I think before they get up there, yeah because I think they're like walking around by the stables or something, but I don't even know what they're talking about. Sean's like, save it for your podcast. That felt very ahead of my time.
01:17:10
Speaker
like they podcast and doesn um Yeah, but and it also made me think does Gus actually have a podcast because I could totally still have a podcast about comic books. He's so funny. You know, it's like the whole time he was just, yeah, I could totally see that. Yeah, right. ah Okay, I love when they're walking out. Oh, okay. So then they're walking out and that's when Jimmy gets arrested. Ah, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I see Jimmy get arrested and then I love when Gus is like so you I don't, I have forget, but like you did all this stuff. You want to solve this case because you did, we're mean to that guy. And then now you got him arrested and you made them reopen it. You got him arrested, blah, blah, blah. And then I asked for a nutshelling. Did nutshelling? That's exactly what I have. So good. Which is that the, is that the first time we've heard them use the term nutshelling? You know, I want to say I don't think so, but I don't know if
01:18:12
Speaker
That's just because we use it. We use it so often. Yeah. I mean, that is the term for it. So that's hard to say. I feel like they must have used it, but I don't know. I don't know, but that is what it, what it will become called. Yeah. And then we go to the station.
Jimmy's Innocence Questioned?
01:18:35
Speaker
Yes.
01:18:36
Speaker
Okay, yeah. And I just love the line. They're looking out at Jimmy. And Sean goes, I think he looks like an evil little creamsicle.
01:18:50
Speaker
To be fair, he's in this like bright orange onesie. And he does kind of look like a creamsicle. But they're like observing him because I don't really think Sean is convinced that.
01:19:06
Speaker
Yeah, he never thinks that he did it. But they still have to, of course, see what's going on. Question him. Ask a couple if they can. So they're you're know so pretty much saying, how like this is pretty convincing. like You really do have a motive. He's stealing all your good horses. like He keeps on winning. And he was sleeping with your wife. And Jimmy's like, what?
01:19:30
Speaker
There's a security guard there, which we've never seen a security guard with a suspect number. But I wonder if it was just for the gag of picking him up. yeah Yeah. He's like, all right, put me down. and Put down, and then he's all calm again. And um they're asking him, you know is there anything else about the horses? Can you think of any specific details about what was going on? And this is when he says, well, you know what? They actually all faded down the stretch after the clubhouse turn.
01:20:01
Speaker
Which is going to turn out to be very important information as we alluded to with the title of this episode. Being Down the Stretch Comes Murder. And is that where we leave him? Did we just go to the track then? Yeah, because then they go on the track and they're like investigating the clubhouse turn. And I also just love the shot of them on the track, just standing there. Yeah, it's so good. It's a beautiful shot. It is. There are a lot of Really interesting shots, I feel like in this show. Like, again, we've talked a lot about the standard procedural.
01:20:40
Speaker
And I feel like there's a lot of, I want to say like quintessential, like procedural viewpoints. Sure. Like the, you know, them in the car, them sitting in like, you know, at the station and you see like the side of the table and there's one person on one side, one person on
Race Tapes and Case Clues
01:20:56
Speaker
the other side. But there are a lot of like really fun shots that happen in the show, like unique kind of interesting things. I don't know. Yeah.
01:21:05
Speaker
hey feel that I feel like a lot of times procedure like a lot of just the like a lot of the the shots will like be building tension and just like the way you move with the characters is like to build that like foreboding and stuff but like I feel like Psych really takes its time with just like like I don't know why I just love those shots of them on the track because it's like they're just standing there it's very slow Sean's just like looking down yeah like and Gus is like you've been here for an hour like it feels like
01:21:36
Speaker
It comes back to the homeandering thing. They did not learn really much from that. Yeah. And we spent a long time there while they bicker. Right, exactly. Again, it's part of what we love. I feel like we're broken records. It's part of what we love about this show is the world building. Yeah. The world building is so good. And that's part of what happens here. Them racing.
01:22:01
Speaker
quipping with each other about, you know, Gus did whatever he did to himself in second grade, the hundred yard dash in high school, whatever. Yeah. you know What is that of like, could I beat you with 100? Yeah. And then we get again more like history between them and it's just like more texture and yeah yeah Yeah, at the end I wrote down how it's like, you know, a photo finish. Yeah. Sean's like, I'm going to give it to you because you need to fix it in your life more than I do right now. It's such a great like, dig for like two best friends. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But that's what it is. Yeah. It's like's building. Yeah. All that, like you said, the texture. But what we do get out of it is Sean clocks some binoculars.
01:22:51
Speaker
up in the announcer's box. And I suppose thinks either that that's suspicious or that it would be a good viewpoint. I think all he's thinking at this point is that it'd be a good perspective. Okay, fair. Because like a good view because I know it is like kind of convenient that it is up in the announcer's booth, but because he makes a comment of like, I don't know what he says, but something about looking at it from up there. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I think that's all he's thinking at this point.
01:23:20
Speaker
That makes sense, yeah. And they're not necessarily anticipating anyone else being at the track because it seems pretty desolate at this point in time. I don't know if the the if they're done for the day or if the police cleared everyone out because there was the murder. like we We don't really know. But yeah when they walk into the office, it certainly seems as if they're surprised to see someone there. Yeah, I love that moment because you really like they're mid conversation and you see Shawn morph into something else.
01:23:49
Speaker
Yeah, it was... what And what were they saying? Because he was saying something too and then literally changed on a John to make it make sense. Yeah, I still have the transcription. So let's see.
Announcer’s Office and Suspicions
01:24:04
Speaker
who Oh yeah, and John says seven flights of... Okay, Gus says seven flights of stairs just to get another view of the track. John says, Gus, this is the perfect spot for us to see.
01:24:19
Speaker
where the magic happens. Yeah, it's so good. And like, could you I mean, even imagine Again, that that quick wit that Sean has, like he doesn't miss a beat. Yeah. And you see his whole like physicality change and like his tone of voice. Yeah. His showmanship really comes forward. Yeah. Yeah. And he's immediately like playing this guy the way we know that he does. Like when he's like, Oh, I've always wanted to be an announcer and yeah doing that. And yeah.
01:24:54
Speaker
I feel like they are annoying him on purpose as they often do, but I don't know. Do they have any ulterior motives at this point or is it just because it's what they do? I think it's just because what they do. I mean, I i could see maybe Sean other than just annoying him thinking, hey, maybe we can get a little bit more information out of him. like He was such a wealth of knowledge beforehand. um But really, the best information that they get is just from being in the room, just looking around and and asking questions. um Again, bringing us back to the vault scene in Weekend Warriors. That's the bread and butter. Oh my gosh. you i is like asking about the
01:25:35
Speaker
um Yeah. Blow dart? Well, it's not a blow dart, is it? It's something else. It's like a... Oh, it's a shaman stick, I think. Okay, shaman stick. Shaman staff. Shaman staff. um But that's how they introduce the topic of the Choco Indians. Right.
01:25:58
Speaker
But yeah, it is funny because that's how they get their info is just asking questions about whatever. Yeah. and Just being curious. Just curious little, yeah. Oh, so so something something else. So we get the Shaman staff, which teaches us that our announcer is one 16th native American from the, I guess a part of the Choco nation.
01:26:25
Speaker
And Sean makes a joke about chocodiles and amongst other things. But Sean also sees that there are specific race tapes in the office, specific specific dates and everything in there.
01:26:38
Speaker
and he's trying to find a way to like get the race tapes or can he get them from the police? Well all he thinks, again it's like what does he know and when does he know it but yeah I think all he's thinking right now is like oh the races are on tape I can watch them again. Which is also such a fitting thought to have because it's like in this day and I just like everything's on tape. Which I freaking love this scene in at the police station because it's so low tech. Oh, sick. But we'll get there. Yeah. and um But yeah, so I think all he's thinking, it's like ah an epiphany that um they are they must be on tape somewhere. Yeah. Which makes sense. Yeah. That he would want to see it again to to get some more details as to what was exactly happening. But he isn't quite sure how he's going to get the tapes,
Deal with Henry and Relationship Dynamics
01:27:32
Speaker
right? Because they can't get it from the office, can't get it from this guy's office.
01:27:35
Speaker
are going to ask the police, but doesn't really want to. Well, I think that they think that all of them closed. closed jimmy yeah So he, of course, begrudgingly goes and gets Henry involved. And Henry, of course, records it all for his work. Of course, it's Henry. Yeah, of course. And I just love that yet again.
01:28:01
Speaker
It's like a caveat to everything. Like, you can watch the tapes as long as you go with me on Sunday in a silly shirt. Everything's transactional with them. Everything. Everything. Which, I mean, again, at the end of the day, it's like, yes, it's transactional, but it's this weird, like, I want to spend time with you and you don't want to spend time with me, so I'm going to force you to spend time with me. Henry just wants to spend time with you. Well, he's also taken so much abuse from Sean this episode that he's like,
01:28:31
Speaker
make you wear silly shirts. Yeah, he wants to get a bit more of those shirts. Which, to be fair, of all the silly shirts, he's put them in like the perfect Sean's silly shirt. A green shirt with pineapple. I was go to i wrote down that the the silly shirts work with your color theory because the first one Henry's wearing is red. The second one, there's red in it, but it's like black and white mostly. Yeah. And Sean's got his green one. I'm telling you, there's something there. I don't know exactly what it is yet. But it is there. It is there.
01:29:01
Speaker
And then we get the Henry Wisdom coming in clutch. And he goes, you need to broaden your vision. Look at the outskirts of the case. And Sean is like, broaden my vision. He's like, what does that even mean? I love this one because it is so like... What? Yeah. the ah skirt of the king yeah But he's so right. Like, he's exactly right. Again, this whole idea of like, Henry being a witch, he knows exactly yeah what Sean needs to hear to close the case. To close both cases. Close both cases. Yeah, that's true. That's what at this moment, I love Sean storms out and goes ends up
01:29:43
Speaker
at the police station working on the spitball case.
Analyzing Race Tapes with Vintage Tech
01:29:49
Speaker
That's what I meant in my head, but I said police station at the office, working on the spitball case. um Yeah, with the diorama, Mrs. West's class. Yeah, which we we talked about this too. That's when he gets Gus there.
01:30:05
Speaker
He's got the color right and he's putting out. I also love the moment where he picks up Jimmy, pipe cleaner Jimmy. Get him, get him. Yeah, we can't get him off. Yeah, too much. what But he finally does get off of that just because we already talked about it. Finally gets off of that and he goes and he watches the race where Juan Carlos died, and he noticed that Juan Carlos gets hit with something at the clubhouse turn, which what they were looking at beforehand was the stretch, right? Because they faded down the stretch. What they needed to broaden to was this idea that it was a little beforehand. It's such great delivery about life. I didn't broaden my vision tab yet.
01:30:51
Speaker
So funny. Yeah, this isn't about murder. It's about fixing races. So exciting. Oh, good. Yeah. Oh, my God. And I love. And so we go to the police station. We think we figured it out. We go to the police station. and They're walking in. They're like, you're ready to go. And this is like.
01:31:10
Speaker
fake psychic ability. And Sean goes, full of it. um Yes, you are. Yeah, I feel like this was like the first like, but we talk about imagining them planning, i like this was like the first little taste of that that we got because like, Sean's like the tapes are ready, check and then Yeah, exactly. yeah Like they're on the same page, they're going in to put on a show basically. Yeah. And they're, they're, the other thing too, is I mean, they're in the police station and they're walking in like, normal, quote unquote, normal people for that. And then they get down to the video room and Shawn is in full. Yeah. Like, yeah know yeah, it was fun to see them like pre show. Yeah. know but yeah
01:31:52
Speaker
Yeah, and i i agree but yeah backstage behind the scenes if you will oh I agree with you the whole video room scene. I love ah i love that scene. Yeah, I mean it's just, it's so quaint to think of it like um they've got four different TVs, four different room modes.
01:32:15
Speaker
Yeah, and the TVs are like stacked on top of each other. BHS tapes. Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah, they're and they're like the you know the big chunky TVs. Yeah, they've got the yeah the different remotes that Sean keeps passing Lassie. Yeah, they've got like a cart a rolling cart with all the keys on it. like Yeah, very nostalgic. If you're like a 90s, early 2000s kid, I feel like the very nostalgic of like the TV being rolled into the classroom. It's like a time to watch Bill Nye the Science Guy or something. you know yeah and you know
01:32:50
Speaker
There is a reference earlier in the episode when Sean first calls Gus in after Jimmy Nichols came as Gus is like, you forgot to record America's Next Top Bottle again. Why is it so hard to set the season pass? So we know even like it's hard to watch this sometime and remember where we were technologically because it's just our lives. but Yeah. That technology exists. So it's fun that like in the police station, they are they just don't have the tech. like In the last episode, we saw the same thing where it's like, we've already seen all this from CSI, all their new stuff. And so it is like,
01:33:26
Speaker
they're just kind of their city employees, you know, they're working with what they've got. Yeah, I mean, look, public institutions are slow to change. Yeah, it's just how it is, you know, whether it's because of public funds or whatever it might be. Yeah, and you you just really feel that in that scene. Yeah, absolutely. when With all of them just like,
01:33:47
Speaker
sitting there, like kind of annoyed with the whole thing. Like, why are we in this room to begin with? Like, it's just... Yeah. anyway And I love like the rhythm of it, like with Sean and his remotes, and he's like, got them all playing. He's like, stop.
01:34:01
Speaker
Stop. Stop. He's like pausing him all at the right moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like collecting all the remotes in his arms. He's like, Oh God. Yeah, it's a, it's a very fun.
01:34:20
Speaker
scene for as seemingly mundane as it is. Yeah. um And even like we get Sean walking in, we have another one of these like sensory deprivation yeah acts that that Sean does. And this time his sense of his sense of smell. Yeah, because he tells Juliet she's like a field of lavender or wax or whatever. And um he manages to go over and knock the tapes down from the track.
01:34:44
Speaker
which tells us that the tapes are important so he starts like calling out the the dates and they put them in the player and this is essentially the time when he points out to them that something is happening in each one of the races like something important at the clubhouse turn is happening however he hasn't really pieced together the the case yet he just knows something funky happens to the horses and at this point until he accidentally presses play on Juan Carlos's video and notices that there's some surprise coming from the announcer when he was announcing.
Announcer's Slip-Up and Race Rigging
01:35:25
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I think what, what really sells it is like he says, and so-and- so and so fades down the, Oh, no. Like he starts to say that he's fading down the stretch. So he's expecting that. And then it doesn't happen. And it's a fun, like, that's a fun giveaway.
01:35:43
Speaker
Yeah, I guess too in a in a, you know, I'm thinking as we were just kind of mentioning in today's day and age with all the technology, I would think that someone would be a little bit more careful, like knowing that and it's going to be replayed. I mean, that's pretty pretty dead giveaway if you're looking for suspicion, you know? Well, I feel like it comes back to these guys were not planning to kill anybody.
01:36:03
Speaker
Yes, that's true. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, they really weren't anticipating anyone taking a closer look. Yeah. Yes. That's true. I mean, it was a good plan. They got away with it for a while. Yeah, yeah. Who knows how many times, honestly? Yeah. Oh, I have another horse's name written down, authority figure. Oh, yeah, that was a good one. A good one.
01:36:31
Speaker
I think that's the only other one I have written down. They do have fun names. I wonder where how that tradition started. Yeah, that's a great question. I don't know. Be a good mini-soad for us. Yeah, we'll have to Google that offline. Yes. I feel like that would be a deep dive. Yes. Well, absolutely. Especially knowing us.
01:36:52
Speaker
and So yeah, he he hears that and then he's like, there. And he like gets them all. And they all hear that. And so now they know. Yes.
01:37:06
Speaker
So now they decide to go. Oh, yeah. they're They're like, oh, what he says is something's going to happen tomorrow. Yes. At the Derby. Yes. And so they still don't really know. Yeah. We know that the announcers involved. Yeah. But we don't exactly know the whole ins and outs of it yet.
Complex Race Rigging Operation Revealed
01:37:26
Speaker
So they go to the Derby. Sean lets Henry come and lets him sit in like the special box. Yeah, he's in the jockey club. Yeah, which is like so cute.
01:37:37
Speaker
and john johns and shirt shirt Yeah. Which is, you know, he's gotta be careful with those pineapples. Turn them upside down means a whole separate thing. And he's got a couple upside down ones on there.
01:37:48
Speaker
um But they, yes, they go and they're watching one of the races and It is as they are watching this race that Sean begins to piece everything together. The fact that the camera guy isn't following the horses around the track because he's trying to aim, and why would they want to rig the race? Well, they want to be able to get money, who's been on a hot streak lately, that other guy whose name we don't know that was coming up to Henry before, who usually loses.
01:38:24
Speaker
Yeah. And the announcer, yeah, I can't remember everything. Phil the thrill. but Oh sure, Phil, yeah. And Phil was, you know, putting all the bets down and the announcer was the one who thought of the poison dart thing. So Sean tells Gus to get everyone down to the track so he can nutshell. And this nutshelling.
01:38:51
Speaker
It's just so very Sean. He comes in on a horse. I mean, why not? When in Rome, I suppose. Exactly. He comes in on a horse, but I love that. Again, I want your opinion. I love when the horse turns around and he's like, what? Do we think that happened on purpose or by accident? You know, that's a good question.
01:39:19
Speaker
Because even after the horse turns around and he comes off the horse, he turns to Gus and he goes, where was I? And then Gus cues him back in. I was like, did? Yeah. I love that if it was. I hope so. I want to be. Because that's a whole improvisation where he's like, Gus, help me. And Gus is like, I don't do horses.
01:39:42
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. But we continue our nutshelling because horse or not, the culprit must be caught. And we pin it on Barry, Phil, and Ryan, who is the name of the cameraman. And yeah, Ryan kind of just gives it away. you know Sean does his his nutshelling goodness talking about how the track is going to close and they feel like they should be getting something out of all of this so they rigged this and a bunch of other races in order to win some money and how do they do it through the blow darts and Ryan's camera Lassie takes the camera and look at that there's no lens oh my goodness and how would they do this through poison blow darts oh my goodness how would they know about poison blow darts well the choco indians were known for dipping blow darts and poison whatever oh yeah that was another thing we didn't mention that Sean had Gus research that
01:40:37
Speaker
And that's what psychic people in the psychic community call a hunch or something like that for the community. I just love that Sean was like, this is going to be important. Just go do some research. Yeah. I mean, I love moments where you really see like he is good at this. like Yeah. Oh, he's so good at this. yeah He just, he, he sees the through line. Yeah. And he's putting in the work too. Like yeah he, cause we were talking about like, oh, they're,
01:41:06
Speaker
you know, Jimmy coming in and being like, oh, you guys are kids doing this, playing this game, basically. yeah like But he is a professional, you know? He's like, okay, Gus, my partner, go do this research. This is going to come together. Well, I think this is what we we touched on a bunch last time when we were talking about Henry essentially saying, like, you're off the hook. You don't have to right worry about this. You don't do the work anyway.
01:41:29
Speaker
He really does. He really puts in the time and the effort and the thought. Yeah, and that's what Henry says to him in this episode too. What was it again? Something about the focus and follow through or something like that. Ah, yes. Patience and follow through. And oh my gosh, another great line from this this little scene. um Like right at the end when he's talking about how like how he kind of solved solved all of this, he goes, and you know as my father taught me,
01:41:59
Speaker
Real men take bubble baths and bad gambler never knows when to quit.
Reflective Moments and Sean's Growth
01:42:04
Speaker
who Way to bring the bubble baths back into it. I love that's like a thing. And something that Sean has really been contending with, you know, that has been a struggle for Sean. For for Sean to claim that yes before all of these people, like, yeah he's growing. He is, slowly but surely.
01:42:25
Speaker
i love And Henry's so excited to take their picture. Memory, Sean. That's why it's going out. I know. I know. Which, like, just that line, I feel like, is so emblematic of their entire like time together as kids. Like, why was Henry letting them do this race in the backyard? Why was he the mascot leader? Because the memories, you know? Yeah, and that's what we get. Like, the flashbacks that we see are the memories.
01:42:57
Speaker
And these memories have become really impactful. like they've they've You know, that's, that's what it's all about then, now, but also like in developing Sean as what he becomes. Like, you know what I mean? I feel like I'm doing a very poor job of explaining this, but like they, the memories are really the most important thing here. Like yeah without all of that, Sean would never have become what he is. Yeah. Like formative. Yeah. Um, okay. So then we see.
01:43:34
Speaker
Jimmy and TBW. Oh yeah. I guess you're not total fart knockers after all. That's so sweet. Oh, so what a fart knocker. I've never heard that. Oh, Jimmy. Yeah, oh, Jimmy. Yeah, so he like kind of apologizes, I guess. Yeah, yeah, he does. But he's just like still himself too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's not.
01:44:02
Speaker
like we said before, he's not like regretful. He's just kind of like, I guess I was kind of mean to you. Yeah. Yeah. And Sean tells Jimmy that he was the one who added on him. Which I love Gus is, again, so conniving because Sean only tells him because Gus sets him up to tell him. And he's like, Sean's like, if I don't tell him, are you going to and Gus is like, uh huh.
01:44:24
Speaker
I feel like Mrs. Almost Gus is like payback for every time Sean has been like annoying to him. Maybe. He's like, I'm going to make you do. Yeah. I know it wasn't even really his fault. Yeah. But Jimmy's like, don't worry about it, dude. My life is great. Yeah. I always scream every night and erase my head. I blow it off for Sean, so that's nice. Yeah. And then, yeah, we get the big reveal. Mm-hmm. Guess what's the second spitter? Second spitter. You are, dare I say, dastardly. Dastardly, yeah.
01:45:01
Speaker
And what was that last line? Something about getting ice cream and fresh to death nicknames. I was like, oh man, dude. Spitball. I think they said spitballing, fresh to death nicknames. Oh, spitballing. It's funny because spitballs. That's a big part of the episode. Yeah, makes sense. Lots of spit in this episode. Yeah, mouth action.
01:45:22
Speaker
A lot of mouth action, yep. Or what is the one? Burton the billowy bear. Billowy bear. Burton the billowy bear. That's a good one. Good alliteration. Yeah, he's slave to it. Yes, it's true. How could one not be? Do you think this held up to the iconicness that we had. I think so. I mean, I think it's it's not iconic in the way that like scary Sherry's iconic, but I think closer like 65 million years off where it's just, it's a solid, like, yeah it's a classic. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe that's a good word. It's, it's classic psych. You get all the good psychisms. You get like an interesting case. You get lots of good relationship building and stuff. I would have, I do think.
01:46:10
Speaker
I would have liked a little bit more Jules and Lassie in it, but I understand why there wasn't more Jules and Lassie. But yeah, I think classic is a good word. Yeah. Well, there was so much going on with like, yeah. I mean, I get like the quote A story. I mean, the A story and the B story are both like Shawn and Gus. Yeah, true. And Jimmy. So that that kind of makes it a different structure, yeah which is interesting. Our murder count is four for the season.
01:46:41
Speaker
and 21 total, right? Did anyone die last time? They did. Oh yes, but no one died in the first episode. That's why it's four. Four for the season and 21 total. So we're still more deaths than episodes. All right. Up next, meat is murder, but murder is also murder. Is this the the restaurant critic one?
01:47:09
Speaker
Yeah, it is a food critic. Is that the same one where the girls... Yeah, tied to the... Yeah, this is the one with Gus's uncle. Oh, okay, that's a fun one. Uncle Burton. Yeah, Uncle Burton. Okay. Which, oh yeah, I mean... Great. what One of the most fun games of all, when Gus has to be the psychic.
01:47:36
Speaker
So much fun. Yeah, Sean and Gus switch roles for a couple days for a case. Just genius because not only do you have the fun of Gus being the psychic, but you have the fun of Gus being the psychic while Sean still has to be the psychic with everybody they know yeah every day. Yeah, it may it definitely makes for some really interesting scenes. Yes, a lot of Tom foolery. Yes. that's good
01:48:08
Speaker
Already heightened, already very theatrical. And we're just gonna raise the bar. Yeah. And there's so many good like, yeah, little scenes in this one. I think it is the one with the woman like chained to the pole. And this is the one with the the man for hippo for arms. and Yeah, now there's a lot of quirky characters going on in this one.
01:48:31
Speaker
Yeah, and Uncle Burt, the whole arc with Uncle Burt and I feel like it's so good with him being Gus's namesake. Yeah. Yeah, so good. I'm excited for the the more like Gus. Yeah, I was just saying the same thing. Yeah, this is a real Gus episode.
01:48:49
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Maybe our first time meeting, I think our first time meeting somebody from Gus's family. ah Yeah. Oh yeah. We haven't even met his sister or his parents. We've referenced his parents a couple of times. yeah haven't We haven't met them yet. um Cool. I look forward to it. Yeah, me too. And if you're looking forward to it as well, join us back here next week where we discuss season two, episode six, almost halfway of the fame TV show psych.
01:49:18
Speaker
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