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173 - Dylan Dog: Dead of Night (2010)
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“No plan. Just bigger guns.”
In what happens to be a rather bizarre follow-up to last year’s episode on Cemetery Man, the boys tackle this big screen adaptation of Tiziano Sclavi’s perhaps better-known work (in Europe, anyway), Dylan Dog! (When our fans ask for an episode, we try to deliver!) We talk about the absence of fan-favorite character Groucho, compare this film to Brett’s beloved Dresden Files book series, and desperately try to remember the names of people and movies completely unrelated to this film! All this and MORE on this very special episode!
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Introduction and Special Guest
00:00:20
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I'll say good for you.
00:00:22
Speaker
No pulse, no problem. We're the disenfranchised podcast. That podcast's all about those franchises of one. Those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. I am your host, Stephen Voxworthy, and joining me today, a very special treat. We have the nation's foremost Groucho Marx impressionist. It's Brett Wright. Hey, Brett. Hello, Stephen. How are we doing tonight, buddy?
00:00:50
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I'm doing all right. I mean, it's funny that you make that reference because anybody to watch the movie don't get it. Correct. That's how you know, I did my research in the movie. There's the photo and then there's the poster, the duck suit poster. Yeah, but it's the end of the character of Groucho. Yeah. And I found out about the Groucho character after I watched the movie. Right. I didn't even clock those things because why would I?
00:01:17
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Sure. And we will we'll also be talking about Felix. So get ready for that.
Discussing 'Dylan Dog: Dead of Night'
00:01:22
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Buckle up. And also joining me today, as always, my other co-host who has skin that's so soft like a woman. What is he, a vegetarian or something? It's Tucker. Hey, Tucker. Hi, Stephen. How's it going? It's going, buddy. How are you? I'm doing pretty well this evening. I'm glad to hear that.
00:01:44
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Yeah, it's good. It's all good. Everything's good. And tonight we are talking about a movie demanded. I'd say demanded. That's probably a bit too harsh. Request a word reserved for me, I think. I think so. Requested ad infinitum by one of our listeners, Mr. Norvin Klein. Norvin, this one is for you. Gentlemen, Brett, let's go with you because we don't.
00:02:12
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We don't have you on as often as we used to. What movie are we talking about tonight? We're talking about Dylan Togg, Dead of Night.
00:02:23
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We are talking about the 2010 slash 2011 Dylan Dog Dead of Night, directed by Kevin Monroe, written by, oh, God, who wrote it? Thomas. That other guy. Thomas Dean Donnelly and Joshua Oppenheimer, based on the comic by Tiziano Sklavy and starring Brandon Routh, Anita Bream, Sam Huntington, Tay Diggs, Kurt Angle. It's true. It's damn true. It's damn true.
00:02:52
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Peter Stormare, what a cast gentleman. What a picture. Yeah, man, I was not expecting Kurt Angle in this movie. I was there. It took me to the end of the movie to realize who that was. Like, who is this guy? I know I've seen him in shit. It's Kurt Angle. Former Olympic gold medalist, former very popular professional wrestler Kurt Angle.
00:03:22
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I was on a series of message boards in my high school and college days where Kurt Angle was literally just a punchline.
Kurt Angle's Cameo and Old Jokes
00:03:33
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And it got to the point where you couldn't even mention Kurt Angle on the boards without getting a lifetime ban. It was it was pretty intense.
00:03:45
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Damn what they have against Kurt Angle. A man is an American hero. I don't think it was Kurt Angle specifically so much as the trolls who were doing the Kurt Angle bit. And then like anyone who even like someone could innocently go on and just ask, hey, who's Kurt Angle? And they would get banned. Like it was it was a whole fucking thing.
00:04:07
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I don't know half of it. I was not involved in it. Some people I know were, but that's about as far as it went. So yeah. Okay. Word. Sure. But yeah, there you go. He was a little bit past my time. He was around when I near the end of when I originally stopped watching wrestling. So I knew of him in his early days in the WWE.
00:04:36
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Still laugh at the time, I believe. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, this is a kind of a companion episode, I guess, to our episode from last year on the 90s film Cemetery Man in a very bizarre kind of way. Yeah, supplies.
00:05:02
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Who dies not me cuz and they come out of the closet, but it's it's Cooney and and his karate class Wholesome racist there's a difference No, no
00:05:28
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This is why we can't have nice things, Tucker. This right here is why we can't have nice things. You guys, come on, it's fun. Send your hate mail. Send your hate mail attention, Tucker, to disenfranchpod at Gmail dot com. George Carlin would have approved and that's kind of where I set my. You know, moral barometer on that. I mean, it's easy to say he would approve of something because he's dead.
00:05:57
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I guess so. Because he can't approve anything anymore. No. Because he's dead. He has passed, yes, unfortunately.
Character Origins and Adaptation Changes
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So, yeah, I had never heard of this author until last year when we were working on our Cemetery Man episode. And I think at the time we mentioned and kind of brought up Dylan Dogg a little bit. But it's hard not to. This is an entire movie based on the character of Dylan Dogg, which I think is maybe maybe the most ridiculous name for a character ever.
00:06:40
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I like it. I think it's catchy. It's fun. I mean, his his last name is taken from an Italian quote, like for the Italian title of a novel. So like, but it loses a little something in translation, I think. I don't know, man, whenever I think of this movie or whenever I think of the name Dylan Dogg. It's it's sung to the tune of Fever Dogg from Almost Famous.
00:07:10
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So in my head, it's always like dealing down. I'm pretty sure you brought that up before. Probably. It sounds like probably Peter Frampton wrote all those songs, all the. What's the band's name in that Stillwater or something? Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. Wrote all those songs. Yeah. Jason Lee, Billy Crud in that band. Yeah.
00:07:33
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So that was a good movie, but a little uncomfortable to watch these days when you think about the ages of some of those gals. Mm hmm. Yeah, when you're that age, you don't think much of it. And that came out when I was younger, like, you know, a teenager or whatever. Right. And but now watching, it's kind of like, ah, yeah, that that even though we know it's period accurate, the tiny dancer scene, though,
00:08:02
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Blue Jean baby. Ellie Lady seems just for the band. Yeah, dude. And what's his fucking name? He's in it. Oh, gosh, what's his name? The guy Hoffman. No, well, yeah, he plays Lester Bangs.
Cultural Influences and Film Critiques
00:08:21
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Frances McDormand. No, well, yes, no. Zooey Deschanel.
00:08:27
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No, the dude from Freaks and Geeks. No, not Freaks and Geeks. The other one undeclared. The dude from Goon, the dude from Jay Burchell. There it is. Jay Burchell. That's if I do this, that's what I mean. So if I flail my body wildly, I mean, see that to me says Kermit the Frog more than Jay Burchell, but.
00:08:55
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Kermit the Frog is if I leave stage left like, with like my arms behind me, that's Kermit the Frog. Yeah, Jay Burichel is in that movie. Wow.
00:09:14
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A lot of time we wasted. What a long walk to a really, really underwhelming payoff. What cost, Brett? At what cost? Christ. We did not make any friends along the way, Brett. Fair enough, I guess.
00:09:36
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Gentlemen, I have very little exposure to this character, to this comic. I did some research, not a lot of the original 300 issues have made it to have any kind of English translation at all.
00:09:56
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So I'd be hard pressed to read them as that is the one language I speak well. But what are our collective, I guess, familiarities with this character? Brett, we'll start with you. Literally zero. Yeah, I wish I had more to say. Me too. I only knew of this character. Don't worry, boys. I got you. We know. That's why I started with Brett. Calm down.
00:10:25
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trailers and whatnot and I mean I thought it looked cool. I've definitely interfaced with characters like this.
00:10:32
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Um, like right up your alley, Brett. It's right up your alley. Oh, yeah. I mean, like this, this, there's a lot of parts of this movie that gives very strong. Well, I'd say the premise at least the premise. Yeah. It was very strong Dresden Files vibe. Speaking of which, I'm going to go ahead and just read this straight up out of my Instagram feed because friend of the podcast, uh, Norman Klein, who
00:10:56
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asked for this episode so many times, actually demanded that I be on it. He didn't message that you have to be on that episode. And look, I didn't make any promises for your sake, because I didn't know how the scheduling was going to work out. But I'm glad we were able to get you down here. He said, I said, Hey, we're recording Dylan dog. What do you want me to ask? He's like, I don't know. And then he was like, Oh, question for you to ask Brad, ask him if he thinks the car Dylan dog drives is paying tribute to Harry Dresden.
00:11:28
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I mean, I don't know. It could. I think it it definitely vibes that way. For the for the for the audience who may not and maybe your co-host who might not be familiar with Harry Dresden, describe both the car that Dylan drives in this movie and what car Harry Dresden drives in The Dresden Files. Buckle up, boys. So.
00:11:57
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So, in the Dresden Files universe, Harry being a wizard. You're a wizard, Harry. Yes. He makes that joke in the novels. I'm sure. At least I think he does. It's been a while since I read them. But magic does not play well with technology post-World War II.
00:12:26
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So Harry drives a Volkswagen Beetle, which we refer to as the Beetle. And it's been, you know, for as long as he's had it and been a wizard private investigator in Chicago, he has had to have it remodeled and repainted and parts replaced.
00:12:49
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Um, a, like the beetle of Theseus at this point. Kinda. Yeah. Um, like a, uh, a mold demon gets inside of the interior at one point, completely destroys it. Um, but so it, it kind of is a mishmash of a bunch of different colors and different styles of door. And like, it's just, it's very old school. Um,
00:13:20
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And Terry has that for most of the series until things happen. And then he gets a Munster style like car. Dragula. Kinda. Yeah, a little bit like that. So yeah, the fact that Dylan drives a really old car for seemingly no apparent reason, other than he likes older stuff.
00:13:45
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I was going to say like he seems to have like our friend JP like kind of the heart of an antiquarian, like just kind of loves old shit for its own sake. Yeah. Well, spoilers. He's really old.
00:13:59
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Yeah, which was a lower question I had, but I imagine he is really Dylan. Dog is like 300 years old. Oh, wow. Not a thing. This movie. I don't know that. I don't know. They ever mention in this movie, which is so weird because like they they kind of wrap certain parts of the just maybe some of the production design and some of the character in that lore, but then they never specify. They never come out and say it like.
00:14:24
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Someone who knows that when you watch the movie, you'll see stuff like, oh yeah, cause he's so old. Right. But they forget to tell you that. Like his affinity for the Marx brothers. Which is why I would say that it's probably not a Dresden Biles reference, just because, you know, it fits in with the character. I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but he drives the same car in the comic.
00:14:51
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but the colors are swapped instead of black with a white top, it's white with a black top. Oh, okay. So yeah. So no, I mean confirmed, not a Dresden Files reference. If anything, it's possible that Jim Butcher...
00:15:04
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took that idea from Dylan Dogg the other way around. Right. Okay. But I don't know if it's tough to say, but like I said, this whole movie, this type of character in this type of world is definitely, it's giving Dresden very much, which is why I liked it. Right on. Tucker, we're gay-less. So I saw Cemetery Man.
00:15:34
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on HBO in the very early 2000s. And I liked that quite a bit. There wasn't much internet back then. But somehow or another, I found out that the author whose book that Cemetery Man was based on was also the creator of a comic book called Dylan Dog.
00:16:00
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So it's always been something I've kind of been aware of since I saw Cemetery Man. And I always knew that the physical representation of Dylan Doug was meant to replicate Rupert Everett. Right. Now, when this movie came out, Dark Horse or Image, I think it was Dark Horse. It's Dark Horse, yeah.
00:16:29
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put out, um, some English versions of some of the Dylan dog comics. Like six issues. I think they did. Uh, they did a couple of trades, man. It was a six issue mini series and a one shot is what I'm looking at the Wikipedia article right now. Okay. Well, they had at least one trade that could, that put all that together. Um, and I read through that a bit around the time this movie came out and, um,
00:16:59
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Honestly, like I didn't like I appreciated it, but I think maybe the translation wasn't It was probably Accurate, but I don't think that whoever was translating really Understood it enough to do more than just like a literal translation. Mm-hmm
00:17:22
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And it really kind of shows. Um, there's a lot of stuff. It's kind of like the subtitles and some of, some of the older anime movies and stuff where you're like, what? Like, is that even a sentence? Like, what does that mean? Like, um, Oh, your mic's off, Brett. Turn your mic on so we can hear you. Shut up. There you go. Yeah. A lot of, uh, old school video games were like that. There's literal transactions. I didn't know how to translate the context.
00:17:51
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all your base or belong to us, etc. Also in the English versions, because they couldn't get the rights to the image of Groucho Marx, they took the mustache off of Groucho and named him Felix. So even the jokes that do translate don't actually make any sense unless you know that that's supposed to be Groucho Marx.
00:18:17
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So I'm sure the original comic is fantastic, but whatever that was that Dark Horse put out just was not, I just don't think it was a very good representation of the original art. You know what I mean? Fair.
00:18:35
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But I mean you get a sense of it and it's very much like the film cemetery man The tone of that and sort of the it's it's very surreal like that and very existential. Mm-hmm This movie is not at all It's a lot like if you just mashed those two movies together cemetery man in this movie you mash them together You get a pretty good Dylan dog movie now Francesco
00:19:04
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Francesco has his own book, which is, you know, the cemetery man book, Dela Morte, Dela Dela Morte, which was written by the same author, but was not intended to have anything to do with Dylan Dog. But Dylan, they have crossed over a few times. Right. The character has shown up a few times in Dylan Dog. So that's a cool deal. So I was way into that, of course, because it was always something that
00:19:33
Speaker
I knew about, but never really had any way to consume. So when they announced the Dylan Dogg movie, I'm like, who else is asking for this? Like, I know I am, but who else is? Nobody? Okay, that tracks. Check my notes here. Not a soul. Okay. I saw Dylan Dogg at the movie theater.
00:19:57
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And I got to say I was you
Alternate Timelines and Media Comparisons
00:20:00
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were the one I was the one that was I was very underwhelmed at the time But I appreciated some things about it And you know Actually the last time I saw this movie Paul Danno Played the Sam Huntington parts
00:20:25
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It's crazy. I was obviously in a different timeline, but I swear it used to be Paul Dano, you guys. I swear.
00:20:35
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So this is, I mean, that would have been Paul Danno post, there will be blood, which feels very unlikely that he'd take a role like this post, there will be blood. Well, it's funny you say that, Tucker, because I thought this was a different movie. There's another movie that's sitting in my brain that I thought this movie was that I'd seen.
00:20:57
Speaker
And I don't, I can't for like it. And maybe you guys can help me out because like, I didn't tell me about it, Brett. It's because I didn't, I didn't Google it or anything, but I did. So maybe you could help. So I think, I think it had Paul Giamatti in it and it also had, um, um, what's his name? The Frodo. What's it? Elijah would, yes.
00:21:26
Speaker
They were in it. Elijah Wood. OK. And it's like a similar sort of universe with monsters and whatnot. Oh, oh, oh, oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. Ah, I like you. But he was the he was the he was the gadget guy in that movie.
00:21:47
Speaker
He was the gadget guy. What was it? Stephen, you're looking up Stephen, you're Google things, right? Is in mine. So I'm going to you guys. Oh, my God. I'm so mad. I can't think of what this is. Would it have been around the same time? I mean, last Witch Hunter Breck Eisner's last. That's what it was. No, that's what it was. Elijah is not in there. He's not Vin Diesel is. But Elijah Wood plays the his gadget guy. You know, all those movies that got a gadget guy.
00:22:17
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And I could be just remembering Elijah being in it. The only one that I really remember is Paul Giamatti. Okay, so maybe I'm looking up the wrong person here. Future we hope Academy Award winner Paul Giamatti.
00:22:31
Speaker
He'll get there. I, I hope he, I hope he gets this year, man. Eventually, eventually he'll just get one by default. Like they do sometimes where they're like, you're not thinking of John dies at the end, are you? I might be thinking of John dies at the end. Yes. Yes. That's what's his nuts. Uh, directed that, uh, fucking who directed that Steven? You're looking at it right now. I'm not looking at it right now. I'm trying to find it right now.
00:22:57
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Why are you making me do this, Steven? I'm so mad at you. Don Coscarelli. Yeah, Don Coscarelli. I just said that. You didn't shout out to all the people that were screaming this at their device. Phantasms, Don Coscarelli. Bubba Hoteps, Don Coscarelli. Yo, in case you guys need them, Phantasm and Phantasm 2 and also Ravager.
00:23:25
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are on my voodoo, the rest are streaming on one of your services. I was going to say, I have never seen Phantasm 2 streaming anywhere, so that is good to know. Bitch, I own it, though. It is the only reason I have never done a complete Phantasm watch through, because I cannot fucking watch through. Now, you don't have an excuse, dude. Get on that shit right now. Now, I've got too many other excuses, like, you know.
00:23:47
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life being keeping me busy. Boo. I don't see Elijah Wood in this movie, but you know who I do see and John dies at the end, Brad. Speaking of phantasm, Angus Scrim. Yeah, dude, tall man. He is in that movie. So I was right. I was imagining Elijah Wood in that movie, but I didn't remember Paul Giamatti and I don't know why I got it confused with this film. But, you know, it's.
00:24:13
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It's how my brain works sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, dude. This is this has been such a weird episode of us randomly trying to remember shit. Yeah. Well, that's great. I love that. This is this is riveting podcasting, I got to tell you. That's why people listen. Right. Right. I hope so. Right. Tucker, any other
00:24:40
Speaker
Any other deep background lore on Dylan Dogg and or the author Tiziano Sclavi? That's all I know. I never researched it real hard. It was always just kind of over the years. I came across bits and pieces. I was able to experience, like I said, the comic a bit when this movie came out.
Narrative and Aesthetic Analysis
00:25:00
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Probably not the best way, but. Right on. And then, like I said, I'm I'm. This movie's OK. There's some there's some stuff I like about it. OK.
00:25:10
Speaker
Yeah. Right on. Yeah, dudes. Yeah. Dudes. Yeah. Dudes. Yeah. Like so they couldn't do the Groucho character. And one thing I like about it is it's a pretty creative solution.
00:25:26
Speaker
I like I like what they did with the psychic character, especially with with this kind of world, you know, of monsters and stuff to have him be kind of one of those 80s comedy zombies that can talk, you know, and stuff keeps falling off. You got to put it back on. It was nice. I liked it. I like that part a lot. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things I like something out of my boyfriend's back or burying the axe or
00:25:56
Speaker
Something like that. Yeah. Or currently in theaters, Lisa Frankenstein. Hey, hey. I'm going to see that, you guys. I was going to say, I would like to see that straight up. Go see it. Yeah, apparently set in the same world as Jennifer's body into it. Yeah, we're working on a sequel. That's how that's how sequels get made. Sequel to Lisa Frankenstein or a sequel to Jennifer's body? Jennifer's body. Fuck. Yeah, dude.
00:26:25
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I'm into that. Girl, me too. That movie quietly rules. It's gotten a little louder in recent years, but damn, that movie rules so hard. Yeah, it really got really got boned on marketing. Yeah, I was kind of surprised. No favors. How long it took for that movie to catch on? Yeah. You know, being the trendsetter that I am. Of course, I was kind of down from the beginning and like you you hipster you I kind of gave gave up.
00:26:54
Speaker
I didn't give up on the movie, but I gave up on it like getting a following for a while and then suddenly. I was like, yeah, finally, people are seeing it because that's fantastic, you guys. That is kind of Karen Kusama's whole thing. I'm very sorry to say like she she'll direct the movie and it takes a few years to catch on and then she'll get another opportunity. People will go, well, we don't like this. And then she'll be years like.
00:27:23
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She is the director of Ian Flock's previous episode of this podcast. Four years after that. The live action one? Yeah, with Charlie's throne.
00:27:33
Speaker
Four years after that, she gets Jennifer's body. And then that one, you know, doesn't go anywhere. So that's 2009. Another six years, she gets The Invitation, which is a fucking great movie. That is a good movie. Yeah. That movie. Fucking that was not the vampire one, but the you know, the one with the dinner invitation. It's so good. Yeah. She does a segment. I haven't seen that one. I've seen the vampire one. Oh, you should see this really good 2015. The invitation is really good.
00:28:03
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And then after that, she just does a lot of TV. Chicago Fire, Casual, Masters of Sex, Man in the High Castle. She does a segment of the first XX movie. And then in 2018, she gets a Destroyer, the Nicole Kidman movie.
00:28:19
Speaker
And then like that kind of doesn't do very that great. So she goes back to TV. And I mean, she's done a couple of episodes of letter jackets, but like I want she was supposed to direct a I think a Dracula movie, but then that got fucking canceled because of the Nicolas Cage one. So I did like Greenfield, though.
00:28:41
Speaker
Yeah, I think Karen Kusama would have had a probably a different take. But I think she's an incredible director. I just wish people would actually let her direct shit like because she's a really good lady direct. Come on. Yeah. Come on. Let her cook. Give a gal some work.
00:29:00
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Anyway, Plot in 60 Seconds is the part of the show where we recount the plot of the film in 60 seconds or less at the behest, since there are three of us today, of the D6 of Destiny.
00:29:16
Speaker
Brett, you are the keeper of the D6 of Destiny. Remind the audience which of us is assigned to which side, and then roll to see which of us will be recounting the plot of Dylan Dog, dead of night. I believe the constant, because I always forget, but I'm pretty sure the constant assignments are one and two for you, Steven, three and four for me, five and six for Decker. I think that's correct. That's me. Yes. All right.
00:29:46
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All right, we're not going to roll that day. Come on, man. Come on, man. As I was holding it, I remembered that the companies that made that day should not be given any airtime. OK. Do you want me to fight them? Yeah. I'll fight them, Brett. No. You know, there was just some allegations is all about some of the management at that company. I'll allogate my foot up there, ask Brett. Tell me where they live. I don't remember. OK. Anyway, hot.
00:30:18
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And that's going to be a three. Oh, thank God. That's you, buddy. It is me. I was just going to pass away if it was me. I was just going to instantly pass away to avoid it. You were going to de la morte de la morre all up in this bitch. I was about to be de la morte.
00:30:34
Speaker
For sure. All right. Well, let me get 60 seconds on the clock for you, Brad. They are on the clock. I will give you the 30 and 10 second warnings, as I always try to do, unless you just get too funny with it. And your time will start when you do.
00:30:50
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Off the dome like usual. Okay, so Dylan dog is a private investigator who used to be a spooky private investigator But he's not anymore because his fiance wife girlfriend died Who knows and he's got a partner who? You know wants him to take more serious cases. So a high-profile person gets murdered and She finds his old calling card
00:31:18
Speaker
And then his partner gets murdered. And then he has to go back and talk to all of his old friends. He used to be the supernatural middleman and keep everybody in line. So he talks to his old werewolf friend and his old vampire friend and his partner that died becomes a zombie. And then it turns out, heart of a lion, he turned an undead into a big old demon.
00:31:48
Speaker
But actually, the girl has been a monster hunter this whole time, and she dies, which kills the demon. And next time. Yeah, sure. The end. You guys Marcus, like like Groucho Marx, Marcus. Is it just me? You guys are going for. I don't know. That probably is exactly what they were going for. Marmar Marmar.
00:32:17
Speaker
this movie look you guys I have like I say I have trouble paying attention this movie but I also respect the shit out of it it's kind of I feel very conflicted my feelings
00:32:30
Speaker
about this film are complicated, is what I'm trying to say. No. I'm not really that complicated. Mine's also not that complicated. But just because, I mean, just because of the Dresden vibes I got off of it, you know? Ever since that ill-fated Dresden Files TV series, I've been craving a live action Dresden something. And when something comes close, scratches the itch, I tend to enjoy it more than I probably should.
00:32:59
Speaker
Is this a comic book or something? Is this something I should be consuming some form of entertainment? What is this dressed in thing series of novels? Oh Brett says you could start with the third one. I didn't listen and I got bored. So I probably should have listened Yeah, some people some people are cool with that. Some people like the first two, but you don't have to um,
Legacy and Future Adaptations
00:33:20
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the second one especially even I will admit is boring um, but
00:33:26
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You know, by the third one, he hits a stride. Anything you need to know, he covers. So you could skip right to book three. So the first two, audiobook. After that. All of them audiobook. The audiobooks are fucking fantastic. They're read by James Marsters, the guy that played Spike. Oh, nice. He does a fantastic job. He's such a nice man. To the point where I like to listen to them more than I like to read them because he does such a good job.
00:33:53
Speaker
I can imagine. Even if he does mispronounce things a lot, but that's just names and stuff. Is he mispronouncing them or are you? Well, so no. So in the first two, he pronounces Falcone instead of Falcone. And in the third book, he starts saying Falcone. Wait, is this a Batman thing?
00:34:21
Speaker
No, it's just the name of like, well, I mean, he is he's like one of the main antagonists that is like a mob boss in Chicago. Because Chicago equals crime. Have they teamed up before Batman and the Dresden guy? No, no, no, they're unrelated. I'm quite confident this never happened. Do you know Dylan Dog teamed up with Batman recently?
00:34:46
Speaker
That's a real comic you can buy and read. I know that only because you said that in the chat earlier. That's a true deal. That's pretty cool. I didn't mean to interrupt you. I just thought of that. No, it's fine. And look, Stephen, yes, on the surface, it does come off as Chicago equals crime, but there's a lot of lore reasons why Chicago is kind of like the epicenter of the supernatural world in America. So.
00:35:13
Speaker
ley lines and all sorts of magical, lower shenanigans. Sure. Sure. H.H. Holmes, blah, blah, blah. And also like the the under city, you know, the Chicago Fire that put the like one city on top of another. So like the under city is where a lot of like the supernatural world lives. Like that part in Arkham City. It's my favorite part of Arkham City when you're in the under city. It's so rad. So I had that game, but I lost the I lost the PlayStation and the divorce.
00:35:44
Speaker
That's too bad. Because those games are fantastic. I gave you my PS4 if you want it. I'm probably going to get rid of it. OK, I'll take it. And there's like a remastered version. I don't have that game anymore, but I can probably buy it. You can buy the whole trilogy in one package. Yeah, pretty cheap. Pretty cheap, too. And they're all fantastic games. All right. Yeah, I'll take that off your hands for you, bud.
00:36:11
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Fucking A. I love this. This warms my heart. We got to make you a gamer yet, Steven. You're going to try. And that coordination still sucks balls. A lot of button mashing. But yeah, no. Yeah, my my feelings on this aren't that complicated either because I didn't like it. I thought it was thought it was pretty bad.
00:36:34
Speaker
Don't get it twisted. I didn't love it. The acting is terrible and the pacing is pretty bad. But otherwise, I really wanted to like this. Like I thought the script was somehow both lazy and overcooked. Like like it's it's like absolutely like lazy, but there's still too much plot as evidenced by the fact that Brett was like,
00:36:58
Speaker
slamming on the gas during the last 10 seconds to cover the plot of the rest of the movie. There are plot details that are like, dropped in and then not mentioned for a half an hour. And so you think they forgot them and then they brush them, they're like, rush like bread at the end of that plot and 60 to like, bring them in again, like it's the script is a fucking mess. The acting is fairly atrocious. The humor is
00:37:25
Speaker
so forth, almost as forced as the romantic storyline, which
00:37:31
Speaker
I mean, that there's no chemistry between the leads, no lead up to that whatsoever. No like teasing, flirting, nothing. It's just all of a sudden they're like getting naked and you're just like, wait, what did I miss? What's going on here? You missed nothing. Like and I mean, there are some ideas in here that I thought were pretty fun. Like the whole idea of the body shop, I thought was like if that was in a better movie or if that was the movie,
00:37:59
Speaker
I would love that. Like that was just such a fun idea. I was I was wishing it was in a better film. I really was. I was just like, God, this is so good. Why can't this be in something better? But and part of me wonders if like setting this film in New Orleans as opposed to London kind of hurt. I liked the setting, actually. That's one of the things I appreciated about it was the kind of creative recasting
00:38:30
Speaker
of the location. Hmm. I thought it was pretty good. I like because I mean, you got a little stereotypical. I mean, it's a spooky town. It's a spooky. It's old and spooky shit. I mean, New Orleans in some ways kind of becomes the shorthand for like American spooky place, really, in a lot of ways, just because I think of, you know, the voodoo or the voodoo origins of the the area.
00:38:58
Speaker
Like I think a lot of those come into play. And so it just can become shorthand for we need a spooky place in America. It's a spooky place. I so spooky. It's pretty spooky. Pretty spooky fifth. I appreciate the the practical effects in this movie. Oh, yes. Seeing the seeing Belial at the end, all practical was shocking, but very cool. It was great to see, but.
00:39:28
Speaker
I did not really like the design of the monster. I thought it was kind of lazy and ugly, but still, I'm like, it's fucking practical in 2011. So I'll take what I can fucking get. Indeed. Yeah, it's part of the reason why. It looks as good as it does. It doesn't look great, but it looks I mean, if they had tried to do this and CGI, it would look like. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yes.
00:39:59
Speaker
Like, I mean, this film is like the wings do at that part, like when they finally do use CGI and you're like, oh, I'm so glad they only used it when they had to because we. That looks bad. Like all the transformation scenes, like every you can tell like everybody's wearing makeup. I think they use like some CG effects on like the eyes, like when they needed the eyes to change color. Yeah. Like Marcus is at the end or Peter Storm airs when he starts to turn into a werewolf.
00:40:30
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Peter Stromare quietly the best part of this movie?
00:40:33
Speaker
He's just doing his thing. And he's so underused. It's like a fucking shame now for Molina situation. Like once he showed up, I was like, oh, OK, every scene he's in, I'm going to be happy. He's but he's only in like three. That's the problem. And those are third billing. It's like, why would you advertise that? And then only give us like 10 minutes. He gets the end like in the end credits like he gets the end or he gets the width and Taye Diggs gets the end. Sorry.
00:41:01
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But yeah, Peter Stormberg gets the with like I was like, OK, that's nice. Well, good for you, man. But yeah, like he he's he's really good. But again, it's just kind of one of those performances where you just like kind of want there to be more of this. Like this is this is the juice this movie needs and you're not giving me near enough of it.
00:41:22
Speaker
It did kind of suck watching this because I think Taye Diggs is kind of horrible in this. He's awful. He's very miscast. So good in Way of the Gun. And I watched that this week too. So to like kind of watch those back to back, it's like.
00:41:37
Speaker
I watched Chicago so good a couple of weeks ago and he's fucking fun. He's like like a charisma machine in Chicago. It makes it more frustrating to know that you can give a better performance than this, Mr. Diggs. Why aren't you doing it now? And part of me wonders if it's the direction that he's receiving.
00:41:58
Speaker
I think I think it has to have something to do with the direction or or even a bit with the script, because you can see people in this movie that are trying. Mm hmm. But they're still not like Brandon Ralph and Sam Huntington are trying really hard in this movie, but for not like they maybe just maybe it's because I did watch this movie in 4K, but I can see them trying like I can see the effort. Yeah.
00:42:27
Speaker
particularly Sam Huntington. Like when I say the humorous force, there's one scene in particular after Tay Diggs throws them in the open grave in the cemetery. And like Dylan's like, well, you know, zombies can dig. And he's like, and the joke is that Marcus is going to say no 10 times. No, that's the joke. He's going to say no 10 times. And then the punchline of the joke is that he does it anyway.
00:42:55
Speaker
No, that's the whole fucking joke. I'm like, this is this is the worst thing I've ever seen. Like, what the fuck are we doing? I don't. And maybe maybe some of the Marcus humor would have worked a little better in a different context, say, if he were Groucho Marx, maybe straight, straight, maybe. Do I kept thinking that the whole time? I'm like that.
00:43:21
Speaker
Might have played a little better in that context, maybe. Do you know who the director of this film is, Tucker? Oh, well, of course, right off the top of my head, I know that it's Kevin Monroe. He's the animation guy. Yeah, I was going to say, do you know what other movie we've covered that he directed?
00:43:42
Speaker
Oh no, that I will not pretend to know. TMNT. He did TMNT. Yeah. I like that one a lot. That one's fun. Steven didn't like that one very much. It was fine. I liked it better than it is. I was surprised. Yeah, I was surprised that you didn't like it anymore than you did, Steven. He also directed a future episode of this podcast, the film version of Ratchet and Clank.
00:44:07
Speaker
We're watching that. Cool. Apparently at some point. There's a film of that? Yeah, dude. Came out in 2016. A theatrically released film. Was it live? Was it live action? It wasn't, was it? Oh, no, it was animated. Oh, this is good. It was only live action film. Yeah, it didn't do spoilers for the end of this podcast, but this movie did
00:44:32
Speaker
not do very well. I mean, I feel like I'm underselling it by saying it didn't do very well. Like this fucking.
00:44:40
Speaker
Yeah, this is one of the worst box offices I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot doing this podcast. We've seen a lot of bad box offices for sure. This is our 173rd episode, so that's a lot of box offices. But it still gives off, I would not be surprised if there's still a cult following for this movie. It gives off that vibe very strongly. Yeah. Oh, there absolutely is. This is the kind of movie, if this had come out when I was a kid, I probably would have latched onto it.
00:45:07
Speaker
Just because when you're a kid, you don't have as many preconceived notions about like what good art is. You haven't really formed opinions on what is like good or bad. And you see a guy fighting vampires and werewolves and zombies, and it's the coolest thing ever when you're a lot of interesting stuff in this movie that I would have that would have appealed to me when I was a kid. So if this came out when I was a kid, I would probably with nostalgic goggles really love this movie.
00:45:33
Speaker
As it is, I'd really love it if it were better because there's so much potential.
00:45:38
Speaker
in the ideas, and some of the gimmicks in this movie are fucking brilliant, but it's not that they tie it together. Instead of calling it Dead of Night, they should have called it Dylan Dog Wasted Potential, because that's kind of what the movie is. Why don't you just fucking call it Dylan Dog, man? Nobody knows who this is. Why does it need a subtitle? Because it's going to be a franchise, man. That's how you know their angle for a franchise is when they give the title a subtitle.
00:46:07
Speaker
If that's how you know, that's how you know, that's how you know a franchise is going to fail is if the movie thinks it's a franchise before it even has a fucking movie out. That's why we have this podcast. That's why we're here. That's literally why the three of us are talking about this. We did it. We came full circle, boys. Pack it in podcast over.
00:46:26
Speaker
All right, it's been a blast. Thanks for joining us on this 173 episode run. We had some guests booked, but apparently we're not doing that anymore. Sorry. Shut this off. Shut this off. Shut it down, guys. Shut it down. Brett's like finally get to sleep at night now.
00:46:49
Speaker
without the specter of this podcast haunting my every moment. No, we're going to we're going to stick around for a little bit. But I mean, no, like that's that's 100 percent what they're what they're doing with the subtitle is is just trying to let you know, hey, we're going to make a lot more of these. And then basically the population of the planet said, no, you're not. Hey, let's just let's just hope that the TV series will
00:47:19
Speaker
You know, give some of these good ideas a good interpretation. Yeah, so let's so apparently James Wan announced a TV series.
00:47:33
Speaker
or is going to be produced in August of 2018. As of December 2022, it was still in development. Can we get a D age Rupert effort? And on June 2nd of last year, their announcement was made it was going to be faithful to the comics and that they're going to get ready to start casting. That was last June.
00:47:58
Speaker
This is there. I don't know if I will ever see the light of day, but I don't know. I guess we'll see. I guess so. I know. So I know you do because this is such a small it's just such a small thing. It's like one like Cemetery Man is one of my favorite things. So this by association, I want I want it. Because it's it's a singular thing, you know, but it could be more so it
00:48:26
Speaker
bothers me, like I have Cemetery Man and I love that, but I want more of that kind of stuff. And if a Dylan Dogg thing, movie or TV show were done in the true spirit of the character, boy, that would be fantastic. Like I said, it would basically be like this movie and Cemetery Man smashed together. And I'm way into that, way into that. One of the things we lament a lot is what could have been. Yeah.
00:48:56
Speaker
And how cool what could have been would have been how bad somebody fucked it up. But see, here's the thing. I don't know that I want a sequel to this version of this movie. If it were, I think, true to the source material, that seems like something more in line with what I would want to something I would like to watch. But I don't like this. Yeah. And again, a lot of it is just because I feel like they're trying to cram too many ideas in and they're not doing it well.
00:49:27
Speaker
I knew pretty much from the jump the script was lazy because they over rely on the voiceover, on dealing with voiceover. Narration is great when it's done well, but when you fucking lean on it like a crutch, you know something's wrong. Like when you have to lore dump all your exposition in the narration, because you can't build it into the dialogue, like in a natural way, that's a problem. And this movie does that a lot.
00:49:54
Speaker
I didn't have a problem with that just because it's going for a noir feel. That is what it is. But then like they don't really emphasize the noir elements to the to the full extent that they should. Like I wouldn't I would want to see more
00:50:11
Speaker
like the like the stark lighting of like the film noir um i would love to see like some of those like filmmaking elements folded in i think that would be a really nice touch like maybe if you did the intro or any flashback scenes did those entirely in like the black and white film noir style that'd be really fun and an interesting way to set those apart rather than doing
00:50:32
Speaker
the same flashback two times in a row. We over explain things. We have one character explain something and then another character explain it again. We don't need to know that like twice. And they show us the same footage both times like I think
00:50:52
Speaker
like I can tell they're like definitely trying to like do kind of an homage thing like and then the girl ends up being the villain at the end too like and that's kind of a play on the femme fatale trope but there's nothing to prepare us for that there's nothing to lead up to that it's just kind of a oh and surprise like I figured it out just because when they decide it's Vargas that's behind everything there's still 40 minutes left in the film
00:51:18
Speaker
And I'm like, OK, so it's definitely not Vargas then, which is Taye Diggs's character. So I'm like, well, who else is there in this movie? The girl? OK, it's the girl. Like, I guess she's the monster hunter that we've been looking for this entire time. You know, Stephen, you were talking about the noir aspects of this and how there could have been some cool black and white scenes and stuff. Important thing to note, the comic book is black and white. By default.
00:51:48
Speaker
So that could have been a fun homage to the comics as well. Do it sort of like, I don't know, maybe sort of in the style of Sin City, but more surreal. You know, because Sin City, I mean, Sin City is doing the noir thing, but like cranking it up to 11. But that's, that's Frank Miller's style, though. Like that. It's great. Frank Miller book, like it's good in those books. But like, yeah.
00:52:14
Speaker
I think it worked well on the big screen in the first Sin City and in 300. And after that, like when we do finally get to talk about the Spirit movie. I can't wait. I can. Because I know that movie sucks and I'm going to hate it, but I've been so curious about it. It's so bad. It's the it's the movie I came closest to walking out of in my life that I saw in theaters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:43
Speaker
Yeah. So there's that. Can't wait to see it. It's it's awful. It's pretty terrible spirit, man. Some people hear it. Some people fear it. The comic books won't go near it. Are incredible. Like Will Eisner's comics are incredible. And I'm just like, I know Frank Miller was a fan, but I watched that movie and I'm like, are you actually though? I don't know. I think I think Frank Miller, he's a very unique
00:53:12
Speaker
voice in storytelling and comic book making and filmmaking. But I don't think he's the kind of filmmaker that does a good job adapting someone else's material. I think he he wants to do things the way he wants to do them to the detriment of the medium and the material. Like All Star Batman and Robin is kind of that.
00:53:38
Speaker
I'm so bad when that first came out, I bought a couple of those issues and I was like, what the what the fuck, man? Like this is awful. It's so bad. It's so awful. There's a he also did like a really racist comic post post 9-11. I believe that that was really insensitive and he's an old timey kind of guy, you know.
00:54:05
Speaker
He's a get off my lawn kind of guy. He is. He's a crank. He's a curmudgeon. One of my favorite. Not in an Alan Moore kind of way, but more in a Clint Eastwood kind of way. Yeah. Like talking to empty chairs kind of way. Yeah. He's there's a. So I bought The Unbreakable on DVD like and it was like one of the first editions of like when DVDs were new and so they had like a shit ton of special features and they had a documentary about comics on the disc.
00:54:34
Speaker
I remember that I had that DVD. Yeah. Frank Miller's going on and on about shit. And you cut to Denny O'Neill, who is like the editor on the bat books for like the entire decade of the 80s. And he goes, I see the thing you got to remember about Frank Miller is he hates superheroes. And it just made me laugh so.
00:54:54
Speaker
Wow, sometimes that makes for good shit and sometimes not so much. I mean, he reinvented Batman, but every time he tried to return to that well, he like poisoned it. Yeah. The Dark Knight Returns is not good. All Star Batman and Robin is actively bad. It's the title that basically made them stop writing All Star books. Wait, I thought Dark Knight Returns was good.
00:55:22
Speaker
Oh, no, I'm talking about the sequel to that. Is that considered to be like one of the best comic books? I really like that. It's a really good animated. Dark Knight Strikes Back is what I think. There you go. Peter Weller plays Batman in the animated adaptation of Dark Knight Returns. It's fantastic if you guys haven't seen it.
00:55:41
Speaker
Um, I think I'm actually, I'm sure it's on HBO max. Cause I saw it when I was going through the DC shit the other day. It's in two parts. Dark Knight strikes again is or DK two. Um, that's the, I read that it wasn't good. It's bad. Well.
00:56:01
Speaker
And I read it because it's got one of my favorite comic book superheroes in it, which is Plastic Man, except Frank Miller doesn't know how to write Plastic Man. So he kind of ruined it. Yeah, I mean, that kind of tracks, though. I can't imagine Frank Miller would be good at writing Plastic Man. It's a whole tone that I don't know that he's really good at. Yeah, agreed.
00:56:28
Speaker
But he included him, though, you know, like representation and appreciation for the character. That's rad. Absolutely. Like, and it's it feels more ambitious in a way that I don't think Frank is really capable of handling. I mean, if we're looking for stuff, Frank did well. His his stuff on Daredevil is formative to that character. Yeah, that's really, really good, actually. I love his run on Daredevil. Yeah, I owned most of that at one point, and it is good. It's good comics for sure.
00:56:58
Speaker
So I think is what they're that I've heard that is what they're adapting into the born again series Here's the thing every adaptation of Daredevil so far has owed a significant debt to Frank Miller Even the Ben Affleck one
00:57:14
Speaker
Like, yeah, there's shit in that movie that's directly from another shit. Right. Like Electra's death scene is that iconic like bullseye lifting her on the side like that's straight out of Miller's book. Like when she would have stayed dead. What? Oh, hold on. We covered. Electra is actually I'm saving Daredevil for whenever born again comes out, but we are going to cover the Affleck Daredevil here on this. Can we can we?
00:57:43
Speaker
Do the director's cut? Um, because the director's cut's pretty OK. It's better. I think I actually enjoy it. We can do the director's cut as an extension of our discussion of the theatrical cut. OK, well, that means we'd have to watch it twice. That kind of sucks. I mean, yeah, but well, it's two completely different movies, though. I will. I will. During that episode, I will discuss what I like about the director's cut, though. So, yeah, that works. I'm into it.
00:58:13
Speaker
Bad meeting over. So Batman, again, like we said, is crossing over with Dylan Dogg in the comics. That's pretty rad. We're talking about that, right? No, Frank Miller. We're talking about Frank Miller. Yeah, we can get back to Dylan Dogg, though. That was just a huge digression on my part. That's fine.
00:58:29
Speaker
That's that's our thing. It is what we do around here. That's why people listen. Is it? God, I don't I honestly, I'm at a point where I don't know why people listen. I mean, I feel like it is like otherwise. We're just three white dudes sitting around talking about movies. You know how many different podcasts there are like that. No, look, we're the tangent guys. We got the best tangents. Our tangents are tight. Like everybody knows we have the sickest tangents. Yeah, that's what everybody knows that and what people like the most.
00:58:57
Speaker
Yeah, dude. So brings them back. That's what puts the asses in the seat, Stephen. Yeah, because we set it off like F Gary Gray. Send us an email and let either confirm or deny. That's the case. Yeah. Disenfranch part of Gmail dot com. But maybe we're wrong. Maybe more people would listen if we stopped fucking around. Maybe. I don't know. But yes. At this point, we're too far gone. We're not going to change. We just want to know.
00:59:30
Speaker
Yeah, man, Dylan, like I just I went into this one kind of excited, like I really wanted to like this one.
00:59:38
Speaker
It's a bad movie you want to like. It really is from the outset. You're like, boy, I really want to like this movie. But there are some movies in this podcast that I come to and I like accidentally get a glimpse of like the the Tomatometer score or something. And I'll be like, maybe we can reclaim it, though, like maybe we can be the guys that are like, no, this movie is straight up good.
00:59:59
Speaker
Bitch, I do that all the time. And this is I wanted to do it here. And it's just it's just it's just same. Same. Every time I watch it, I'm like, it's going to it's going to happen. I'm going to really appreciate this. Particularly because I'm just like, OK, particularly because Norvin was so excited for us to cover it. And I was just like, I want to like it for him, but I can't I can't like it. I'm sorry. I'm going to be I'm going to be I'm going to be a little bit of a Tucker here and be like, look, I know this movie is not good, but I kind of dig it anyway.
01:00:28
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No. That's rad. I'm weighing that. And here's the thing, if any of us was going to like it, I had a feeling you would probably be, because it's got all your spooky shit in it. This is my shit. Yeah, this is absolutely my shit. To once again invoke the Dresden Files, it's my favorite book series. It's one of my favorite IPs. I want to see it done in more ways. And this definitely gives very strong Dresden vibes.
01:00:57
Speaker
Again, love it more than I probably should. There was part of me that was worried that this episode was going to be like Steven versus the co-hosts again. I was just like, I don't want that to be the case. I'm glad we can all come to an accord. I felt like maybe that was going to happen too because I feel like this is definitely Tucker. This is definitely a movie I feel like you would have loved as well. Yeah, I keep telling myself that every time I watch it. How many times have you seen it now?
01:01:22
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I think this is my fourth time seeing it. I saw it when it was at the theater. I saw it. I rented it when it came out and then I subsequently watched it on a streaming service a couple of years ago. So I think four times. Do you find it appreciates or depreciates with subsequent rewatches for you? It stays the same for me. It really does. I get the same feeling where I'm like, all right, look, I really want to like this movie because there are some parts of it that just really
01:01:50
Speaker
draw me in and like I really love them, but it's just not enough every time. I'm just it sucks because I want to love this movie so much, but it just. And look, if you love this movie, that that's great. Look, I'm excited, honestly, like I was saying earlier, like the the ideas in this movie and and some of the stuff that goes on in it.
01:02:17
Speaker
It's it's really cool and it's really interesting. And I feel like, you know, some people, depending on what their interests are, that might draw them in more like like with Brett, like this is right up his alley. So even though it's not great, he's still going to dig it more than we do because it like owns the bodega in his alley. Mm hmm. Well, exactly. And like, yeah, if you like it, I I'm I'm really glad I wish I wish I had more positive to say about it for you.
01:02:46
Speaker
Um, but I just, I can't be that guy. I wish I could. I can't. What did list the things you did like about this movie, Steven? I really liked the body shop sequence. I thought that was really, really fun. Yes. Like that. There's there's bits and pieces of this movie like that that are like, this is really good. Why isn't the rest of the movie like this? Yes. Yeah. And I mean, even right after that scene where he wakes up in the cart in the grocery store,
01:03:13
Speaker
like talking about his arm like that was also hilarious like that was fun yeah but like and then there are like there are bits that go on for too long like the one thing just like that's a running gag that could have probably ended right away
01:03:31
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And and then there are like elements of the world building that I think like the diner run completely by zombies And they're offering like zombie friendly meals like their vegetarian options That I thought was really fun The body shop again, I can't I can't leave it alone. It's so it's such a fun idea on the zombie stuff
01:03:55
Speaker
Steven liked all the zombie stuff basically, but like and I the support group of the zombies are like, yeah, I think one another like come to terms with their death. The but I wanted I wanted more out of I wanted to explore more the juxtaposition between like the vampires who kind of feel like this old world elite and the werewolves who just kind of felt like the the day laborers and the grunts.
01:04:21
Speaker
Like, I kind of liked that. I would love to see that explored more. There's there's suggestions in the world building, but I want to see it fleshed out in a way that helps this movie be better. Which I get that. But if you want that, go watch. I don't know. Give me a minute. You want me to list all the other Empire and werewolf movies and stories that do that exact same thing? Sure. Point taken.
01:04:52
Speaker
But, you know, I mean, it gets to a point where I think at this point you can't tell a vampire werewolf story without doing it that way anymore. I'd love to see somebody try. It's true. But I mean, right down to like the vampires are selling their blood to get, you know, humans high like that. Oh, my God. That's so fucking overdone. What about the wooden bullets? I thought that was clever.
01:05:16
Speaker
That's that's lifted. I'm pretty sure that's lifted right out of like Hunter the Reckoning, which is the vampire, the masquerade universe. I know Hellboy does something similar to that in the first. Yeah, he will tour a movie as well. He's got like bullets that are like filled with like silver and wolfsbane and wood and like all this like bits of cross and all the holy water and all this shit just so they can feasibly kill whatever they had. Speaking of wooden bullets, you guys,
01:05:46
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The best part of this movie is a very nothing part of this movie. It's a very inconsequential part of this movie. Doesn't even need to be there, but it is what the rest of the movie should be, tonally and visually. And it's when they flash back to him, killing all of like the head monsters, because that reminds me of Cemetery Man.
01:06:16
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the first time when it's just like the shot and then the barrel of the gun and then the reaction and the barrel of the gun.
01:06:21
Speaker
That was very cemetery man that reminded me of cemetery man a lot being a stinker right now. Oh, yeah, because they do that exact same flashback twice completely unnecessarily. Like the second time, we know. Bring it on because it's like I say, it's stylistically what I want out of the rest of this movie. How fantastic would that be? Yeah, that that would be something that gives noir like that's a set. One of the like the only times
01:06:48
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It's giving noir. And that that almost makes me feel like because of the way that's shot and edited, it almost makes me feel like maybe that is maybe a little teeny tiny hidden homage to Cemetery Man. Definitely. Maybe because it looks like it's right out of that fucking movie, dude. It's the exact kind of shit that's in every frame of that movie. But so but that that scene, though, does that's where all of my plot hole
01:07:18
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lore questions come from. If he was chosen all those years ago to be the middleman and keep everybody in line, but then he goes rogue and kills the entire leader of vampires. Vampire council. And then retires.
01:07:38
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Like kind of retire. First of all, first of all, why wouldn't all the other monster clans punish him for doing that? Because that's what he is supposed to be doing is keeping things in line. And according to Taye Diggs, maybe they were all wanting somebody to do that. Maybe they were all into setting him up to do that. Well, he was he was set up.
01:08:00
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Right. You men be sure. Well, but the vampires want that. But what about the werewolves and the zombies or anywhere? Yeah. Yeah. Everybody else. That's the part I mean, like, yeah, I'm just speculating. Vampires love a good power vacuum. They'll eat that shit up. Like, that's what vampires are all about. Power is this common vampire trait. A thing we know about vampires. Yeah. Yes. They got a count matchsticks, too. Right. Right.
01:08:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's a wild depending on the lore. Yeah, that's my favorite like one that people rarely include. But when it's there, I'm like, oh, look at that. Yeah, I'm. I like the not being able to cross running water. That's my favorite obscure one. That's good, too. Yeah, I like that one, too. It's fun. But yeah, no. So that question, why did the other monster clans just let that happen? And then after that, so
01:08:55
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If he retires, did somebody take his place? Is nobody else out there keeping all the clans in line? If there isn't, why didn't everything just fall into chaos? He was supposed to be making sure everybody stayed in their places. Too many questions. These are questions we have.
01:09:16
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And how long was he out? Because you don't know if it's like a couple of years, if it's like decades, if he's really old, like it could have been. Who knows how much time a lot of these characters are immortal. So, yeah, I mean, it feels like a John Wick situation when he breaks the floor and finds his old bag of stuff. And yeah, I'm thinking I'm back. Yeah, wait, John down to the Peter Stormare appearance. Really is John Wick hundreds of years old? Is he immortal?
01:09:45
Speaker
I mean, he's played by Keanu Reeves. You do the math. I've never seen any John Wick. Is that part of the story? Is that like a weird like sci-fi thing? It unfortunately isn't. I kind of wish it was. I was like, I'll watch those movies now. Just a tiny little bit of supernatural in the lore. That'd be really cool. Instead, it has some other cool lore. Honestly, I kind of like the lore of the John Wick franchise. I just never seemed appealing to me. It's always like almost appealing.
01:10:12
Speaker
Like I say, if if he were an ageless being, I that would cross the threshold and I'd be like, yep, going to watch. You know what? That can just be your head cannon. If that gets you in, if that gets your foot in the door, just make that your head cannon, dude, because they're just being the can still die. I mean, Ian McShane is in those movies. So yeah, he sure is. I should probably look at most of the cast of all of those movies is pretty good. Larry Fishburne. Wait, isn't Homeboy from
01:10:43
Speaker
Corporate and The Wire and the remedy game with the guy from the following. We like him. Are we really doing the guess the actor thing again? No, Lance Rettick. Yes, Lance Rettick. Yes, he is. Why did I mention him? Because I went on such a thing there. Oh, because he's in those. He's in those movies. Oh, yeah.
01:11:11
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And he got to complete his arc too. They didn't have to recast him. They didn't have to do all that. He is always nice when it happens again. Yeah. So you should give him a shot. I would recommend them to you more than like making you watch the whole Saw franchise, which I'm still going to do at some point. I just know at least there's only put it off and then for John Wicks and not.
01:11:38
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That's true. Eight, nine, ten. Ten. Cause the last one was X. X. That's true. Yep. Which thing to be 11. The Romans will say is ten. With their numerals. Sure. Crazy Romans. Anyway, what you doing there, Steven? Just making some show notes.
01:12:05
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That's cool. I like that. I love that. Trying to get ahead, trying to get ahead of it. No, I like that. I like that a lot. I'm way into that. But but no, like, I don't know. I don't really have much else to say about Dylan Dog. I'm sorry to say. I don't either. Honestly, there weren't any video games based on this franchise. I think it feels well to some. Well, I didn't want it was popular enough. I mean, here, but in other countries, maybe.
01:12:34
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Well, not even I mean, you don't really hear about it. And that's kind of the problem is that it is like an American film. So I don't even know, like in Italy, where Dylan Dog is a big deal if they even gave a shit about it. I mean, I think anybody that's that familiar with the source material and they see that trailer, they're like, ah, no, thanks. Well, also, I mean, I could I could be
01:13:02
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just shoving my entire foot in my mouth right now. But like, please do. I don't entirely hear. I mean, do we know of a whole lot of like Italian game developers that would make a game about Dylan Dog? You know, I I feel like maybe there's one or two, but I can't. I mean, you've got a lot in like Eastern Europe and even in places like Germany and France, but
01:13:32
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Well, shit. You know, now I'm going to be able to look out for. There was a 1992 game for DOS, it looks like. There's a link for you guys. I believe that. I believe it. I did not put anything out on DOS. Right. Especially back then. Yeah. But yeah, it looks like it called the Dylan Dog Murderers.
01:13:57
Speaker
There's also something called Dylan Dogg Through the Looking Glass, that might be a different thing. Are we on Steven's video game corner right now? What the fuck is going on here, you guys? Maybe I should stop assuming video games don't exist for these things and actually do my due diligence, I guess. Otherwise, Steven comes out here and steals my damn thunder.
01:14:16
Speaker
Get the fuck out of my corner, Steven. This is my corner. Yeah, dude. You're not biting into the corner, dude. You vanished. Exiled from the corner. Taking the thunder. This is my thunder now. Get your own thunder. Get over into your corner. Fuck. Now I got to start learning about Jesus. Damn it. Good luck. Damn it. I don't want to learn about Jesus anymore. Nah, you love the Jesus Lord, dude.
01:14:43
Speaker
Oh, this looks cool. I love robotic exegeses. Yeah, we know. This giant mech. All the disciples have their own mechs and they combine into one giant Jesus. Yeah. You can't be mad at that. No.
01:14:58
Speaker
Fantastic. And yet someone will be. I guarantee you. Yeah. Jesus would like that. From what I understand about the man, he would think that was pretty funny. Probably the book of Voltron chapter three, seven. Yeah, man. Now we're at every corner with our corners combined.
01:15:25
Speaker
Good job, you guys. I don't even know what this is anymore. I feel like that's probably something tope, actually. If we combine all of the corners together, that probably something tope. That makes a lot of sense, actually. Yeah. I'm into it, yeah. So.
01:15:43
Speaker
Yeah. Good job, you guys. We talked about Dylan Dogg. We did. We talked about Dylan Dogg. Probably not as much as some people would like, but hey, here's a thing I discovered while I was doing like some cursory research for this. There are a bunch of like Italian made. They almost look like student films based on Dylan Dogg to the extent that I had to Google Dylan Dogg public domain.
01:16:06
Speaker
Because I'm like, how can they actually make this shit? But like there are several Italian and they all came out after this movie. So they're all like 2014, 15, 2012. Well, I mean, copyright laws are different every
01:16:26
Speaker
Where? Sure. And also, I mean, if it's a student film, they're not making any money off of it. So. But I but I couldn't tell based on some of the artwork. And of course, I can't find these films anywhere. And even if I did, the likelihood of them being subtitled is minimal.
01:16:44
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and dubbed even less. So, yeah, I had no context for these other than I could tell the names of these films were Italian. And there was definitely a character called Dylan Dogg. And in many of them, a character called Groucho. So they were not worried about the Marxist state getting pissed. But now, no, like I said, well, they published the comics with Groucho in Italy. So obviously things are different over there or maybe
01:17:13
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know how it works over there. Maybe they're just less worried about being pissing off the Marx estate. Yeah, maybe the state is just like we're not. You could have asked us like you didn't have to assume America is not actually Groucho, though. It's a Groucho impersonator. Is it, though, in according to what I've read? Yes. But I there's some debate about that.
01:17:40
Speaker
There's some debate about. I sort of got the impression that, you know, maybe it's a wink, wink, nudge, nudge. It's an impersonator, you know. Yeah. It's got it. I'm going to say Groucho in in the Dylan Dogg comics, from what I understand, is like Elvis in Bubba Hotel. An unreliable narrator.
01:18:07
Speaker
But still you're like, maybe it did. I don't know. It's ambiguous is what I'm saying, leaning heavily into it's actually Groucho Marx somehow. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well played.
01:18:24
Speaker
Steven, give us the box office. I have to pee. Yeah. All right. Sounds good.
Box Office Discussion and Film Ratings
01:18:28
Speaker
So Dylan Dogg comes out in the United States on April 29th, 2011.
01:18:39
Speaker
And I just realized that I had pulled up the daily and not the weekend box office for that. So give me two seconds to get that pulled up. Here we go. It opens at number 18 that weekend.
01:18:55
Speaker
to a weekend box office total of $754,000 for its opening weekend. Domestically in the United States, it will gross $1.2 million, another $5 million worldwide for just a scant 6 million worldwide box office off of a $20 million production budget.
01:19:27
Speaker
Yeah, one of the worst box offices I've seen. One of the biggest oofs of all times. Big damn oof. In the top five this weekend, at number one, my favorite entry in this franchise that y'all just refuse to watch, it's Fast Five. These movies fucking slap, opening new this week. You know who else? You know who else loves the Fast and the Furious movies?
01:19:55
Speaker
Uh, people have good taste. Christopher Nolan, I know for Nolan unashamedly loves fast, the furious movies. They're based on that recent interview. He did love fucking fun. I love that Christopher Nolan makes the highbrow shit that he does, but he still appreciates.
01:20:16
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shit that's a little more fluff, that's a little more popcorn. That's the kind of artist I strive to be, honestly. It makes me respect him a little bit more.
01:20:26
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. In second place, we've got the 20th Century Fox animated film Rio in three weeks. It has grossed about a hundred million dollars in third place. Madea's big happy family down from two in its second weekend. It's grossed about 40, 41 million in fourth place. Water for elephants. The fuck. Yeah, that's that Robert Pattinson Reese Witherspoon movie.
01:20:56
Speaker
OK, is it Reese Witherspoon? Could be Reese with a spork. It is Reese Witherspoon. I was right. In fifth place, you guys, you guys suck. And I mean, if it was funny, I'd pretty sure I would have laughed. But you don't know what comedy is. I will tell you better than any joke in Dylan Dog. Hey, I win.
01:21:19
Speaker
Wow. Mater. Wow. Wow. In fifth place, a movie called Prom, but not the like musical from a few years ago. Just another movie called Prom. What the fuck is this week?
01:21:35
Speaker
I don't know, man. I don't know. It's and it's a movie I don't recognize either. Like, I don't I don't recognize this movie. It made about 10 million dollars worldwide. So it's still better than telling Doug in sixth place. Hoodwinked to Hood versus Evil. Also opening this weekend to four million dollars in seventh place. Soul Surfer, one of those religious movies about a surfer gets her arm bitten off.
01:22:02
Speaker
In eighth place, Insidious, speaking of James Wan in ninth place, future episode of this podcast, hop and in 10th place, source code on my voodoo. Hey, that movie's really, really good. Did I tell you guys I watched that and it was really, really good. That's what I've heard. You're not the first person to tell me that. Yeah. Pass. And I just I am of UMass, I believe, is a is a fan of that film.
01:22:28
Speaker
I had never heard of it before. And then just randomly a couple months ago, I was watching a YouTube video and somebody mentioned it and I was like, the fuck? How have I not seen this? Luckily, it was streaming and I watched it. Man, that's a fantastic movie. If you guys haven't seen it, it's really, really fun. I do also want to mention that Scream 4 in its third weekend has dropped down to number 13, which is a big ass bummer.
01:22:54
Speaker
Oh, damn. I really like that movie. That's I do too. I think that's my that's my favorite scream film. It's it's number two. It's number two for me. For Yeah, after the first one. Um, yeah, so the Tomatometer score on Dylan dog dead of night is a 4%. Wow. Yeah. Critics consensus and uninspired feebly acted horror comedy that produces little scares and laughs.
01:23:21
Speaker
Um, the meta score is a 31, uh, generally unfavorable based on 10 critic reviews. And the letterbox score is a 2.3 Tucker out of five stars. How are you rating at 2010 or 11? I guess Dylan dog. I'm giving it two stars because I really want it to be good.
01:23:48
Speaker
And I really want to like it. And there's just enough stuff in this movie that I keep coming back to it. Even though I keep getting disappointed every time I keep getting drawn back to it. So it's obviously doing something right. Two stars. Two stars. Brett, what about you? Hi. This may surprise you. Give it three and a half. Hey, OK. Hey, OK. Hey. I expected a three tops, but wow. OK.
01:24:15
Speaker
Hell yeah. My gut reaction was a three and a half. Bullet drop to a three, maybe. I don't know. We'll see. Who knows? Not before the end of this podcast. No. No. Because we're coming in for a landing. And I gave it to as well. Did not really care for this one. There's some elements I like, some ideas I like, but it feels like an exercise in wasted potential, as I've mentioned once or twice on this episode.
01:24:41
Speaker
Um, if, if the TV show does get made, I, I hope it's able to extrapolate on the things that this film does well and leave behind a lot of the shit that it doesn't. Well, it's the Dresden files. TV series is any indication they won't. So, uh, but yeah, there it is. That is our discussion on Dylan Dow.
Community Engagement and Social Media
01:25:14
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01:25:31
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01:25:39
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01:26:36
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01:28:56
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01:29:21
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01:30:32
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Our faces are the mugs. Dude, yeah, well, Brad already said mugs, hot beverage mug. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. But plastic kind, not like porcelain. Anyway, you can find me on Instagrams and the YouTube's at Ice 909. That's I C E N I N E the number zero and the number nine.
01:30:59
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Also on Instagram, of course, is tuck mugs. That's tuck underscore mugs. It's our little like mug collecting and appreciating community, man. It's fucking community now, you guys. A lot of guest mugs recently and a lot of a lot of people who have had more than one guest mug. Yeah, we've got a few returning guests, particularly since the New Year started. Yeah, it's true.
01:31:26
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Send me your entire collection. I don't care. Like, just give me posts till the end of time. Let's let's make a really cool Instagram spot. There you go. For for mugs and mug enthusiasts. It's mugs, really any glassware or drink where shot glasses are accepted. Even I do teacups. If you got a really cool teacup or something, anything you can drink out of, even like a travel mug. We've had travel mugs on there.
01:31:57
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Mm hmm. You know, did my collection of like tankards and old school Western, whatever the fuck you would call those. I, my first submission was a Tiki mug that looks like Gizmo. What are you drinking out of everybody? Let us know.
01:32:11
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I want to know about a bluth company pint glass from Arrested Development. I like that. I'm drinking out of my Bigfoot saw me, but nobody believes him mug from Michigan. Hey, hey, hey, I like that. You know, it's just important that he believes in himself. Damn, that's really the important thing. I'm drinking out of a Nash natural light can. You are. That's what my beer came in. So that's pretty rad. Is it?
01:32:41
Speaker
Yeah, I like natural light. It's it's a good shit beer. It's the kind of beer that like you don't have to finish it at the end of the night because it's going to taste exactly the same in the morning. Yeah, my. My favorite shit beer is is old style, man. I maybe it's the Chicago style is good. It is about every beer is shit beer. So, you know, that's also fair. Definitely an acquired taste for most people. I just had to find the right one and then it opened up a whole new world for me. There you go.
01:33:10
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A new fantastic point of view. I found some good ones. Didn't change my mind though.
01:33:22
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Hey, that is all we've got for you today. And be sure to join us next week where we've got another episode of this podcast planned and going to come in at you. So until next time, I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy. This has been the disenfranchised podcast for my co-hosts, Brett Wright and Tucker. Until next time.
01:33:46
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Oh, shit, I was going to keep singing Mr. Blue Sky, but I forgot where I left off. You know what they say about the end of podcast.