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Jujutsu Kaisen S2 Ep9: Shibuya Incident - Gate, Open
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The action has finally kicked off, as Gojo takes on the special grade curses in an effort to save the innocent citizens of Shibuya!
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Introduction to Jujutsu Kaisen Episode Discussion
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another exciting episode of the Animation Deliberation Podcast, this episode is blowing our heads off as we're talking about Jujutsu Kaisen, Season 2, Episode 9. The Shibuya Incident Gate Open. Right after these ads, you have no control over. Sing along if you know the words. One, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series, yeah.
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Yeah, welcome back to another episode of Animation Deliberation, the podcast where we take action animation and cartoon seriously, but not too seriously. We're your hosts, I'm Zuhara Lee. And I'm Andrew Rogers. And I think at the end of the season, I'm just going to make a compilation of Andrew's reactions to my openers. I have to keep it so subdued because of the fact that I can't say anything, but it's just going to be a lot of head shaking and like, oh my God.
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The Impact of Jazz Music in Jujutsu Kaisen
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could tell he was scheming just like I said last week he didn't have to practice like something is coming for me and I was sitting there also thinking to myself like how do I make this opener sound like the messy jazz that we have apparently a continued theme throughout the season of JJK that was a
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We're gonna talk more about that. But that was the one thing that I was like, I could come up with a clever opener, but then just didn't want to suddenly screw up the song that would have been. Yeah, they their music choice has definitely been very fascinating with that jazz. Like I like it. It adds just kind of
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It adds to the chaos that it already is this show, whether it being their inability to properly explain a story or their intense action scenes, but the jazz music is very fitting. I have one complaint-ish about it. And it's really just, had they done this one thing, I would have liked it way more. Not that the jazz itself is bad, because I agree. It adds a lot to it.
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My problem is without giving anything away, the first time around they used it to signify one character fighting and they didn't use it for the same character fighting this time. Like, I think had they used it, for instance, for Gojo in both instances, it would have hit way harder of just like, oh, this chaotic version of this character is back on the scene. That was my only like, wait, but they didn't use it for him the first time. Why didn't they do that? They had the open opportunity where Gojo had a fight scene. Why not use it for him? Like.
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That was my only nitpick that it would have been super cool continuity wise to be like, that's his theme now. Yeah, I'm not even tracking what you're talking about right now. So I guess we should just get into it so you can quit dodging spoilers. Okay.
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Shibuya Incident Fight Scene Breakdown
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And without further ado, I'm just going to jump right into the synopsis for this episode, Shibuya Incident Gate Open. That way we can keep talking about things without having to dodge bullets and go through ad reads.
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Gojo fights Jogo and Hanami up close while Chozo attacks him from the rear. He successfully is able to overwhelm Hanami by completely crushing them into a corner with his limitless, killing them. Stunned, Jogo tries to run away while still keeping Gojo busy. At this moment, Mahito arrives with a train carrying hundreds of transfigured humans that proceed to cause immense chaos in the
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subway and unleash even more he had in hiding. Pushed into a corner, Gojo releases his domain, Expansion Infinite Void, but only for the span of 0.2 seconds, in order to protect the civilians as best as possible. He uses this time to take out the thousand transfigured humans, however significantly tiring him out in the process. He is then confronted by the prison realm, but before he can escape, Ghetto
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greets him, shocking him as all their memories come rushing back to him. This allows him to be caught off guard, and the prison realm traps him. Gojo confronts Gato, knowing that he is an imposter, causing, quote, Gato to undo the stitches in his head, revealing another brain, and that he is an ancient sorcerer who stole Gato's body to use a cursed technique for his plans.
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Meanwhile, a Mecha Mario-like earpiece suddenly attaches itself to Yuji, alerting him to Gojo's current fate. Alright, so most podcasters have show notes on topics that they want to discuss. We are not that responsible. So I'm just going to lay out some big things here that I do want to talk about. So hopefully we get to them at some point. You didn't share one with me, it doesn't count. I don't want to hear nothing about having no notes. You didn't share it with me, it doesn't count.
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There's so they're handwritten chicken. So I just see paper. So you don't share it with me. It doesn't count. Those are your notes. They're not show notes. Fair, fair. OK, yes, we're not composed. These are literal things. And of course, maybe lose my train of thought with that. All right. Couple of things I'll get out real quick. The beginning of the action sequence was awesome. That was definitely the highlight of the episode.
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The reveal was interesting, but I've gotten so numb to like how frustrated it was last episode that I was like, oh, interesting. Cool. That's that's cool. In terms of pacing, I liked how this went, that actions explained descriptions. I didn't have to rely just on descriptions, which was a big fault of the last episode. And. Yeah, I kind of lost everything else I want to do, but Mahito is just an absolute
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piece of shit and he just makes me cringe all the time. He didn't like his entrance, just jumping off the train. No, he's such a well-written character in a sense. I hate him in that regard.
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Oh, okay. I thought you were getting irritated. I was like, being dived into it. Like, I just hate him. Like, like the way that people describe the Shibuya incident, I don't know if like this was the part that was making people sick, but it made me very uncomfortable when that train rolled up. And I was just like, Oh, no, I don't like it. And then like all of them came out and just started like attacking those people. I was like,
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Yeah, that makes me really uncomfortable. I don't like it. I'm gonna stop. Honestly, as much as I agree, Mahito is like skin crawlingly bad, but I do adore the comedic way that they act. I think Choso was the one that truly had my skin crawling this episode though. That like any of the blood fight techniques throughout this episode were just like
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Oh my god, they are not holding back. This is like, I thought this was it. I thought there was gonna be no humans left up to this point. Like they were just going all in on that fight scene. And I I shudder just like remembering everything that I have seen. Because it is gotten. Oh, it's gotten intense. It has gotten bloody. It has gotten
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I will say we talked last week about how manga readers have hyped up the incident. This episode gave me a lot of what I was dreadingly expecting. Like I thought it was going to go this bad and to see it finally come to fruition. I'm like, nope, this wasn't overhyped. We still have many episodes left. Oh my God.
Balancing Action and Explanations in Anime
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Like a lot of it was just great in the most horrific way. It's almost like watching a horror movie.
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Yeah. And like I said, last week's episode, it was just all talk, but they don't do a great job of explaining things. So when they were doing too much dialogue, it was
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Irritating me a little bit. I think this Because one of my complaints was the the hand-to-hand combat like we've seen what he does with close range They actually made a point to mention that they actually made a point to show how much volcano head is hiding behind people they made a point to point out that like I
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Gojo understands that a lot of these people are going to die, but he doesn't want them to die by his hand. It's different if the if the curses kill them. So it's like ethically like none of it is right. But like that set up the situation more. And had they explained that better last week, I probably would have appreciated a lot more. But that derail trains that derailed me where this is like kind of getting me back on track. So it's like,
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They had their highlights of things that I just appreciate about the show, but now I'm just at this point of tempered expectations that every now and then I go to the overwhelming of excitement phase and then just kind of mellow back out, which is why things like the Gato reveal wasn't too mind-blowing. I was just like, oh, that's cool. Yeah, that makes a little more sense because we were wondering how did he survive, like Gato killing him or Gojo killing him point blank. So definitely interesting.
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Yeah, I was just kind of reeling through the whole episode, because like I said, it was so overwhelming. But yeah, the the ethical. Oh, my God.
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Literally, I have in my notes, not abbreviated, my notes just have the word Hanami effin died. Like that is just the first thing written on my piece of paper is just that remove from existence obliterated like that was that was when I kind of knew like, Oh, it's it's going gojo is ready to go.
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Yeah, they just they kept throwing stuff at us. And I agree, it was it was a much better balance of explanation and talking whilst in action. Like, I think a scene that really stands out to me, I mean, all of it stands out to me. But the moment where they drop the humans on Gojo,
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And then it was like, oh, his scales are in balance. Suddenly he has no idea how many humans are here, how many humans are dead. So he doesn't know like what is really at risk to just truly show he has been contemplating it this whole time. He knows that some people are going to die, but it's the idea that a couple might die. But if in the process I can save everyone else, it's going to be for the better overall for all of these people. Now you have no idea how many people you're saving or how many people you're putting at risk with any given move that you do.
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I didn't know what was going to happen. And then, gosh, then the freeze frame of their three faces, like, wait, is this about to happen? I was like, no, Gojo did it. He infinite. No, like I was legitimately like saying those words at my screen, which I'm not usually vocal while I watch things like this. And I was actually vocal. Like, no, Gojo didn't like it really, really worked for me.
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Yeah, I had a couple of, oh shit, that was about it. What did I say? They killed a thousand transfigured humans and they specifically said 299 seconds. Correct. And I'm really curious, I didn't have the time to scrub through, is that how long that little monologue took of Gojo running around and them explaining his power? Was it 299 seconds? I hope not, but I felt like that was too long.
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Maybe. I don't know off the top of my head how long that is. I don't... That's like five minutes. I don't know if it was actually five minutes real time. Alright, so 120 seconds is two minutes. So 240 would be four. Yeah, so it's like... 300 would be about five. Yeah, it's like four minutes of change. The 299... Yeah, the 299 feels like it has to be significant. I did also write that down, but I have no idea what the significance of it would be.
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off the top of my head. And then Gato specifically says like in his head, it felt like a minute. I'm just like, well, they needed him to be like within a certain range for a minute. Yeah, that was the whole that was specifically to trap him in the prison realm. He was standing there for a minute. Do you think the prison realm was just another like special grade curse?
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That's what it feels like. I was very much expecting basically a domain expansion. I thought it was a domain expansion. Yeah, it was going to be something like that that he was kind of trapped in. I was almost imagining the end of What If when Dr. Strange got trapped in the little crystal universe because there was nothing left for him. I was expecting just an empty void similar to that that Gojo was going to be stuck in. Yeah.
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Yeah, I thought he was going to be stuck in like some version of hell, but we had never seen Gato's domain expansion. So I guess I was just supposed to be like, ah, this is the reveal. What's his domain expansion? Yeah, that's very much what I thought it was going to be. But that's the low and behold big reveal is it's not Gato. And we talk about how amazing foreshadowing is.
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This is the exact opposite. And I love this. Like, you have to play your cards right to blindside me like this. I don't know what those cards are, but they did it or I should say mahjong tiles, who knows. But
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the fact that Gato has been behind the scenes, and I didn't even register until watching this episode, that Gojo had no idea he was the one behind the scenes for the last season. I kind of thought someone knew, but to have that moment
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and then just have the rug entirely taken from under you. It's not actually Geto. It doesn't matter. We got Jujutsu Kaisen Zero. It doesn't matter that we had the entire hidden inventory and premature death arc where we got the explanation of Geto. That wasn't him. None of that matters anymore. And for some reason, I don't care.
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I'm just like, this is amazing. I thought we learned about this character so we could get their backstory and motivation. And now instead, it's like, nope, it's the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles villain. That's a brain like he's just hanging out here. Pinky and the brain brain brain brain. Yeah. It's definitely interesting because there was a lot of it's not time for me to unveil myself yet.
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We didn't know what his powers were, why he was there, why he was a bad guy. We didn't get any of that until Jujutsu Kaisen Zero. So that was kind of big to be like, okay, what is this dude really about? Just to be like, oh, it's not even him. He actually literally watched him die about a year and a half ago.
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Yeah, and I think it was just like, oh, we watched him die. He's going to come back. That's why he's out for Gojo. He wants revenge. And then there were the lines in the hidden inventory arc where it was like, Oh, are you powerful because you're Satoru Gojo? Or does being Satoru Gojo make you powerful? I was like, Oh, revenge. He just wants his goal of destroying all non sorcerers.
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Yeah, but I thought it was going to be something along the lines of like, oh, we need to take Gojo's powers. But that it still wasn't his motivation because it's not him. It's some other force of nature. And I'm just, oh, I'm so flabbergasted by it. I love it. But now I need to know more. What is what is the brain's backstory? What is actually going on here? Like, are they sharing any of those thoughts or motivations or are they just a long ride? Does he?
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It seemed like it. Like do we have anything that truly proves that though? I'm just going off of how much he knows about him. Yeah, yeah, I guess like the amount that like he knows about or they the brain knows about gojo is something that only ghetto could know. Yeah. Yeah, that is where I was.
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Logically thinking I was like wait if is it a brain and how does he have memories like okay? The
Theories on Brain Swap Mechanism
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DNA makes sense for the curse powers, but yeah, it's probably it's probably a curse thing But in my head, I'm thinking brain swap means that like the old brains gone. How do you get those memories? That's kind of where I was at yeah, that's where I was at but just the way that the dialogue has been and how much he knows about gojo like Unless he's just been stalking him for much longer than that
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Yeah, it's funny because like, there is absolutely no logic to why we both assumed while brain swap means no memories, because there's no real precedent. That's entirely fiction to swap out someone's brain at all. But we were both there. Like, yes, these are the rules that have been set up on Naruto, they would just pluck out people's eyes powers and just like put it right in their head and be like good to go like nothing happened. So it's like, speaking of brain and like that.
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Speaking of Naruto, did you catch there that there was someone dressed in a Naruto costume in the episode? No. One of the background extras had it looked very much it was like they were wearing an orange hoodie with the red shell spiral like in the back.
00:22:48
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Oh, interesting. Yeah, they had a couple. They've been showing a lot of love to like other animes and stuff. Well, it is supposed to be on Halloween, so it makes sense. Yes, because there was like the Joker costume and some other like little nods throughout the episode. But have you happened to see the comparison of like the Mecha Mario fight to a bunch of the classic like mech suit anime?
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Yeah, I think Gurren Lagann was like the biggest influence of that. Yes, Gurren Lagann, I think was the number one. And they specifically took like the sound design or something. I mean, we talked about it a little bit, but it was cool seeing that like clarified afterwards. There were just like some pure side by sides that were like, oh, this was totally an homage to that as opposed to just like a influence. Like it was properly different.
00:23:34
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I mean you say it speaking of Mecha Maru like we have confirmation either. Well, he's alive I want I want to think he's alive I don't want to think that that was just a recording that he sent off in this little device and just has like robots doing his last bits like I really want him to just be alive, but
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Well, it can't be a recording. That much is for certain because like what he told Itadori was specifically what was happening to Gojo in that moment. So he has to have some knowledge of what's happening. It could, however, be like an AI backup within Mecha Maru or something like that, like.
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I guess it might not necessarily be really freaking smart. So maybe he just figured out the plan and recorded it. And he was. That's why I said, listen to me for once in your life. Go just in the prison realm. Like, what if you like realize that recorded and send it off before he because like, you know how on other animes we pay attention to the opener a lot?
00:24:28
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Yes. I've been paying attention in the opener a little more. And there is a lot of just like Miwa crying. And we saw that relationship that she had with Mecha Mario towards the end of those episodes. And I'm just like, I don't know what to feel. I need confirmation. He's alive because now he's like extra badass. And I like him so much more than I did before. He's more than a pitching machine. And I was just about to say it. I need it.
00:24:54
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Well, I mean, it seems like we're gonna have many returning characters because we had the first name drop in a while of Yuta and basically acknowledging the events of Jujutsu Kaisen Zero. So I'm, I'm wondering if that's all going to come back around that like,
00:25:11
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the characters that played a bigger part in Zero, Yuta, and Panda, and all of them are gonna, like, kinda team up and be like, alright, well we did this once before, we helped Gojo out, how can we help him again? It's gonna be that class's reunion. Basically, yeah.
00:25:32
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Yeah, I don't know. Because the last time we saw you was at the end credit scene of you just kind of zero. So yeah, no, he's just like in a different area. And we, we have, I believe he's been named dropped in the first season at some point. Like we know he's still alive. I was saying that I loved watching the movie before I watched the show because of how much season one talked about him before that movie ever came out.
00:26:01
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Like they talk about that story and that incident and him as a person and how Tojo wants to fight him and like all that stuff. And because I watched the movie first, I was like, I know exactly what you're talking about. There's no mystery here. I love this. Yeah, you you and teases don't go along well, but I'm just it depends just along for the bumpiest ride here. Depends.
Anime Teasing and Plot Development
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Black Clover's allowed to tease me. Naruto's allowed to tease me. Spy Family's allowed to tease me. My Hero's allowed to tease me. Attack on Titan needs to get to the effing point. Yeah, that needed to be done like four years ago. I knew you were thinking it. 12 years for four seasons and the last season has seen three different years. That is not right.
00:26:51
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Yes. Speaking of Attack on Titan, I'm going to reel this back into the Jujutsu Kaisen conversation. I feel.
00:26:59
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Well, I feel like this episode was the map that got fame for Attack on Titan. This episode looked so good across the board. There were a couple of the points during the fight scene that Jogo look like he may have been like CG animated. They looked so crisp throughout that fight. Jogo being volcano head for anyone out there who can't remember if I didn't have it written in front of me, I also would not have remembered.
00:27:29
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Um, but yeah, looked absolutely phenomenal. And just so much of this fight was absolutely flawless. Like I was just taking in the plot and I almost want to watch this episode again, just for the visuals, because I feel like there's so much that I can just absorb via my eyeballs, not just my ears, but a zoo hair. What do you got? What did you remember?
00:27:48
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Did you laugh as much as I did when Gojo actually said, patch face? That's who Itadori and Nanami were talking about. I had that moment. Oh, I love how he calls him that too. Oh wait, it's because that's all Itadori has been calling him. Yeah, they didn't know his name.
00:28:08
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Yeah, it's just like, ah, that patch face guy. Like, no, they didn't know Mahito until like, a couple episodes ago, I feel like was the first time like this intense situation and just Oh, it's patch face. That's what he was talking about. Yeah, and then patch face makes us laugh. It's just too much. Too much laughter amidst all of the horror they do. They do a real
00:28:34
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bang-up job with making me walk away feeling conflicted because it's not good, it's not bad, it's conflicted all the time. Yeah, Itadori and Mei Mei versus Itadori and Mei Mei and her brother versus all three of those special grades. It's going to be something else. Yeah. I feel like there's a lot. Well, the sorcerer is not a special grade, but four people, three of them being special grades.
00:29:02
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Yeah, there's a big question of like how that's going to go. Do the other sorcerers that are currently waiting outside the veil come in to help or is it just going to be those three? But also, there's a character that like we have seen zero of this season that I feel like has to play a part in how this all goes down because they're arguably the main character of the show that has not made a single appearance. You're talking about.
00:29:32
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Sakuna. Yeah? Like, I feel like they've done a very good job of kind of putting Sakuna to bed since like three quarters of the way through season one. And since then, it's just no mention. But oh, yeah, the most powerful curse like in existence is here inside of Itadori. Like, yeah, we've gotten really good at him knowing how to fight. But what happens next? Like,
00:30:00
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I think that's the coolest part of this show. Overall, I have no idea what the plot is. Because there's this whole like, oh, well, we have to collect the fingers so this person could get more powerful like normal show, that would be the entire focus. But instead, the plot has really been around
00:30:15
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gato's plot and what they're doing behind the scenes and what gojo is going to do to fight them so like what is the uber powerful main character demon thing going to end up doing like where when do we have to fight them what is their end goal like there's still so much of that that i just had that moment as soon as we saw a tutorial at the end of the episode like
00:30:40
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Are you really going to be able to hold your own, or are we going to have to do something more? And I think that's cool that it took a while to even think about it, and it's going to take half the season until they even make an appearance, if they make an appearance at all. Like, who knows? I don't think that bothers me as much, again, coming back to being a Naruto fan.
00:31:02
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where at the beginning, there's a threat it's dealt with. Okay, this guy seems like a big threat. Wait, he's part of an organization that was even bigger threat. Wait, there was something that was even more than that. So
00:31:17
Speaker
I think with them having to deal with these special grades and not exactly knowing like what the big picture is, as long as these smaller stories are engaging, I'm fine with having to wait up with like, like if Sukuna is the big bad in this, if he's the end goal that like they just have to mess with him,
00:31:38
Speaker
Or if it's a nine tail situation where he, you know, becomes friends with him and has to deal with a whole other issue, whether it'd be the brain or whether it'd be another special grade or whatever it may be. I don't even know how long the series are going to be because, you know, we have demon slayer realm of things where we didn't realize how short it is and how it might be wrapping up soon. So. Well, the manga for JJK. I'm still on for the ride right now.
00:32:04
Speaker
Yeah, and I will say, if any of what I said came off as a complaint, it is not a complaint. I just kind of completely forgot that that was the thing. Yeah, it's just relating perspectives, I guess. Yeah.
00:32:19
Speaker
Yeah, no, I, I appreciate that perspective. And the more I think of it, I'm like, Oh, yeah, black clover. The whole time there was like this dark force that we just didn't know about until like, the literal last episode of the show so far, we finally got some answers. So I think there definitely are plenty of examples where like, you don't know, I just think
00:32:41
Speaker
There's so much unexplored and like, at least in those other shows, you kind of know the overarching plot. But I feel like this one, I have no idea. I have absolutely no idea. Like, it's just it's crazy reminding ourselves this is still the beginning of season two. Yet this show feels monumental in scale. I feel like I have watched like four plus seasons of a TV show with how much has happened. And yeah, it's
00:33:09
Speaker
Like less than, are we still less than halfway through season two right now? 18 plus five is 20. This was episode nine. Yeah, we're getting close to the halfway point. Because there are 26. 23. 23. Okay. So yeah, we still have so much ahead of us.
00:33:36
Speaker
I don't know what you're going to do in November when I'm out of town for three weeks, but I know I'm going to be watching it during all of that. You better learn your time zones and get on. Japan to East Coast is an exact 13 hours, so I don't think that's going to happen. You better make it happen. You got me to start watching the show. I did get you to start watching the show.
00:34:03
Speaker
Uh, this shows too good. That's, that's all that it is at the end of the day, because, oh my God, this, this might be one of the best episodes. The show has had like so much happened. It was crazy. It was fights. It was explanations. I'm left reeling at the end of it all. We watched them basically main big bad die. Like it was nothing. Main big bad die. Uh, economy. Oh, no, no, um, not okay.
00:34:29
Speaker
Yeah, like Hanami was like a major player in season one, like took a lot of effort to defeat and then just absolutely ousted. Like that's absurd. That build up to just him. It's like you guys are making me use my powers and just squish. I was like, oh,
00:34:50
Speaker
Oh, the smug look of like, can you handle this? Are you really sure this is what you want to do? Well, just volcano. It's like, hey, look over here. It's like, no, I'm not done with this one yet. Yeah, that I was really. I was happy, but also surprised that, like, I thought Jogo volcano head was going to like burn the humans to really get his attention. I'm surprised he didn't go through with it to try and get go to his attention, but I don't think it would have worked. I think he was just.
00:35:21
Speaker
on a mission to be a more badass version of Gojo. Yeah. Yep, it was a good episode. It was an amazing, amazing episode. Start making your way back up to that bar that I had for you, JJK. I think you're sitting there for me. I think it's going to be an interesting uphill climb.
00:35:51
Speaker
I feel like my expectations for this show like, in general, I actually kind of always felt that JJK was a little overhyped. I thought it was like a little too complicated. I didn't keep up as well as I wished I had during season one.
Jujutsu Kaisen's Growth Over Time
00:36:08
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Finally, generally watch.
00:36:11
Speaker
Yeah, so it's like, and I think it's still very good. But like, the number of people that just after the first season, we're like, this is greatest of all time, you know, deserves to be above some of the grades. I'm like, I don't, I don't know about that. Whereas, as time has gone on, it has continued to grow on me. And as we get more material, I'm like, okay, this is, this is real good. So I'm my my bar continues to be raised by it. I think it needed to
00:36:36
Speaker
take more time to warm me up than it did some others. And that's, that's totally fine. We're all entitled to our opinions by how it means I'm not, I'm not hating on it. It was. I can't stress enough that I'm excited to see it in English though. I mean, that's, I don't know if that'll explain it any better or if I'm just more attached to the English voice actors to this. I think it's trying to absorb the interest. I genuinely cannot wait for the English version. Well,
00:37:07
Speaker
Have we gotten any episodes in English? I Haven't checked I'm gonna watch it when the seasons up like once all of it's done. It's gonna be like an English binge Gotcha. Gotcha. I didn't know if it was like I feel like we've had a ton of stuff recently that like Two three weeks later the English begins my hero, I don't mind either way, but I I
00:37:32
Speaker
like the English. Demon Slayer the Japanese is better, but I'll like give the English a run for a rewatch. And JJ can think I like the English more. Okay. I mean, it's very dependent on voice actors and direction and all the other things. So I think I think they're just
00:37:55
Speaker
The industry as a whole is taking the dubs more seriously. It's not as literal anymore. They're actually making it its own thing in terms of the talent and the script and the dialogue and the delivery and all that stuff. It's not like a dub for the sake of dub. I think they're actually making the dub its own experience with modern animators.
00:38:20
Speaker
I do not mean any disrespect to older voice actors because they still were putting in a phenomenal amount of work, but I think the talent that they are going out of their way to try and get for a lot of the dubs is shining and showing through. There are names that I feel like in the last 10 years have become recurring dub voice actors as opposed to just grabbing random people to be like, you're going to dub this show and be this character.
00:38:48
Speaker
So I think that's definitely going to be something that helps because the interpretation and understanding of how anime works by these voice actors probably carries a lot of that weight. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else? No,
Conclusion and Future Excitement
00:39:05
Speaker
I think that's all that I have for this week. It was crazy, but I don't know how much more we could talk about the chaos that it was besides my usual, I am very excited for next week.
00:39:16
Speaker
Yeah, the mayhem resumes next week. Whoo. Anything else going on? I do not outside this podcast. This podcast keeps me busy enough because anime takes so much time and mental effort, but I love it. I love it all. And I'm here for it. Yeah, well, I'm gonna dig here for three weeks so I can go to Japan and go to the home of anime and really, uh, really embrace everything. But all that time difference and wake up with this recording.
00:39:41
Speaker
Well, what's really going to kill me is I believe the day my flight takes or no, the day my flight lands in Japan, I think is the release of the final, final, final attack on Titan.
00:39:55
Speaker
Also, my vacation is going to be where the two of you reside, so you better be ready for that. Oh, yeah. In-person podcast recording. Here it comes. I was talking about that with Jay Scottie last night when we were finishing up the Harley Quinn stuff, that it occurred to me that Miyazaki's not so last film comes out the week before I come.
00:40:17
Speaker
Oh, so we we don't have to like wait a week to watch it, but we could watch it and actually record live on like, our reactions to it might have to do like our second viewing lot like over there. Oh, that could be fun. That might have to be a little special thing that we pull together while we're all out here. That would be a very, very good time. Yeah.
00:40:41
Speaker
But until then, check out more Stranded Panda shows. Jay Scott is always on Multiverse News, which also has a video form every week. Yay, Christian McCaffrey just got a touchdown, so I'm going to get some points off of that. Sorry. I was watching the game throughout this whole recording.
00:40:58
Speaker
Peeves Gapfest, the episode that I hopped on is finally out. So basically, I am the guy who grew up only watching the movies and reading the books for the first time. So the podcast itself compares the books to the movies and what they want the show to do. So they got my inside as a movie watcher and just kind of like my reactions to seeing the comparisons.
00:41:21
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