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Nootropics for Energy w/ David Tomen - Connecting Minds Podcast Ep26
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On this episode of Connecting Minds we have part 2 of 3 with David Tomen of NootropicsExpert.com where we discuss using nootropic supplements for specific purposes.
Today’s topic is nootropics for energy!
Links to David’s resources and social media:
Website: https://NootropicsExpert.com
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9OJP2cnNB04NacojV9MZWg
Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidtomen
David’s book Head First: https://nootropicsexpert.com/head-first/
Best Nootropics for Anxiety: https://nootropicsexpert.com/best-nootropics-for-anxiety/
Top 7 Nootropic Adaptogens to Conquer Anxiety and Stress: https://nootropicsexpert.com/top-7-nootropic-adaptogens-to-conquer-anxiety-and-stress/
If you like this episode, you may also like:
Ep18 Using Nootropics To Optimise Your Brain Health and Mental Performance w/ David Tomen
YouTube: https://youtu.be/T1mXmooz53s
Website: https://christianyordanov.com/18-david-tomen/
Ep23 Nootropics to Reduce Anxiety and Promote Relaxation w/ David Tomen
YouTube: https://youtu.be/rdMbqIhFGiM
Website: https://christianyordanov.com/23-david-tomen/
Links to Christian’s book and social media:
My first book Autism Wellbeing Plan: How to Get Your Child Healthy - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B084GBBDL9
Website: https://christianyordanov.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/christian_yorda
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBu5V9XLVnr-Mlh8etxiG4w
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ChristianYordanovCoach
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/christian_yordanov/
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Transcript
Introduction to Nootropics for Energy
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Hello, and welcome to the Connected Minds podcast. I'm Christian Jornoff, your host. Thank you again for joining me on the podcast. Today, we have part two of three of our mini series with David Toman on using nootropics for specific purposes. Today's topic is how to use nootropics supplements
00:00:17
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for energy.
Mitochondrial Energy Production
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Now this is an important topic because as you hear on the episode what he discusses is how energy is produced in the body. So most of the energy is produced in our mitochondria, which are the tiny little organelles inside our cells that burn or oxidize fats and glucose to produce adenosine triphosphate or ATP, which is the molecule that energy is carried in in the body. So if you can support your mitochondria,
00:00:47
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you are going to support energy production in all systems of the body that includes of course the brain but also the guts the muscles the immune system so the more you can support your mitochondria the more you can prevent their decline as you age
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the better your energy levels are, and of course, the more energy you have, the better your other systems work.
Supplements for Clean Energy
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So this is an incredibly useful little episode that you can use to learn how to give yourself a clean energy boost without caffeine, without stimulants, without the jitters, without withdrawal effects if you quit, right? And we cover four supplements that you can use to do that. So check out the links in the description for David Tolman's book, Headfirst,
00:01:30
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which is an amazing resource for new tropics supplements. His website and YouTube channel, newtropicsexpert.com, newtropicsexpert is the YouTube channel. It's another great resource if you want to learn more. And yeah, enjoy the episode. I hope you find it informative. Thank you again for joining me on the podcast. And without further ado, here is David Toman of newtropicsexpert.com.
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In this episode, we have David Toman again. We're going to talk about how to use new tropics to boost your energy. So David, thank you so much for joining us for this, for this one. Thank you for having me back, Christian. It's a pleasure. It's an honor to be here. Yeah, it's an honor. Likewise, sir. So let's talk new tropics for energy. Um, how would you, how'd you approach this? First, let's look at how energy is produced in our body. Where does it come from?
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The most fundamental source of our energy comes from our cells. It's made in our mitochondria. It's called adenosine triphosphate or ATP for sure. And you have glucose and fatty acids and oxygen that travel through your system into your mitochondria to produce ATP. And that ATP is what powers every one of your cells.
00:02:47
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It powers your brain, it powers your muscles, it powers your heart, it powers everything that's going on in your system. And if you're suffering from mitochondrial dysfunction of some sort, either damaged mitochondria or not enough mitochondria, or the right stuff isn't getting to mitochondria to make adenosine triphosphate, you're going to suffer from
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Gosh, everything from chronic fatigue to autism to Huntington's, it's been implicated in almost every major neurodegenerative disease, mitochondrial dysfunction.
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It's relatively easy to boost that energy that your mitochondria is making. Now, why is this important?
Role of Acetyl-L-Carnitine in Brain Energy
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You have got maybe a thousand mitochondria per cell in your brain, because your brain, along with your heart, is the most energy-hungry organ in your body, yeah? It uses a huge amount of energy. And if you are not getting these nutrients from food, which is typically where they come from in the first place, and they're manufactured in your body,
00:03:55
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you are going to suffer from things like chronic fatigue. And so rather than grabbing a Red Bull or a cup of coffee, a long-term solution is to boost the generation of adenosine triphosphate in your mitochondria and to make new mitochondria. So more mitochondria is going to make more energy, yeah? And how do we do that?
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The easiest way to do it with supplements is with, I've identified four supplements that work really, really well. Acetyl-L-Carnitine. Acetyl-L-Carnitine helps transport fatty acids into mitochondria where they're used for ATP synthesis. And then it helps transport the oxidized garbage back out of the cell to prevent brain cell damage.
00:04:47
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And you also need L-carnitine to make acetylcholine, by the way. It's a cofactor in the synthesis of acetylcholine. But for what we're talking about here, energy, our most fundamental source of energy, we need it to transport fatty acids into mitochondria.
The Importance of CoQ10
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The next supplement that is really helpful is CoQ10, or Coenzyme Q10. It's a fat soluble, it's kind of like a vitamin, but it's not a real vitamin, it's a coenzyme.
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That's required for energy flow and the transfer of energy in each one of your cells. And it's the majority of cochitin is found within your mitochondria. That's within every single cell in your body. There's more per cell in your brain. There is in the rest of your body, but it is throughout your body. And to, and what it does, it's part of the electron transport chain and participates in the cellular respiration that generates the energy in the form of medicine.
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adenosine triphosphate. So if your body is not producing enough CoQ10 and you're not getting the raw materials from food, then you just take a CoQ10 supplement. A quick question here, sorry. Would muscle meat be a good source of CoQ10 or would it be degraded, do you think, when you cook the meat? It naturally is degraded when you cook the meat, but
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Gosh, I don't know. You know, organ meat is always the best for this, but you can get CoQ10 from eating fatty fish. You can get it from beef, poultry, nuts, seeds, and oils. Interesting. Okay. There's different ways to get CoQ10.
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And sorry, I actually have another question on Coquitan. For folks over 30, there's a couple of forms of Coquitan. So we have ubiquinone, ubiquinol, and I think just, I forgot the name of the other one, just Coquitan. Ubiquinone and ubiquinol.
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And when oxidized CoQ10 or ubiquinone accepts an electron from another molecule in the chain, it becomes ubiquinol. And then when ubiquinol donates an electron, it becomes ubiquinone.
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Yeah. And so the state of equilibrium is kind of like necessary is how the things work. But what practical experiences found is that people that are under 45 can use ubiquinone, which is typically less expensive. They can use it successfully and it works. But people over 45 often can't get satisfaction from using ubiquinone and they have to use ubiquinol.
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You know, that's interesting because I've read in a couple of places that it was folks under 30. So I, I, I actually, because I know you become always more expensive. I stopped buying you big window for a while and I don't buy CoQ 10 because I thought it probably wouldn't work in my body. But now that you're saying it's under 45, not under 30, I actually might start buying CoQ 10 again.
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Yeah, the CoQ10 is difficult to manufacture and it's relatively unstable. And there are a couple of companies that have come up with different versions of CoQ10. Like there's one company called Micro, I forget what the name of the company is, but it's called Microactive CoQ10 that seems to double the
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the blood levels of CoQ10 in just three weeks compared to other forms of CoQ10. So when you're looking for supplements, it helps oftentimes to buy the patented version of it. And it's often going to be more expensive than the cheaper ones. If you use a cheaper version of a supplement and it doesn't work, it doesn't mean that necessarily that supplement doesn't work.
Quality and Authenticity of Supplements
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It just means that your body doesn't respond to that cheaper supplement and you need the better, more natural version of it.
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What is your opinion of the... For example, if you go on iHerb.com, they have their own brand, Lake Avenue that I use for certain things like brunch chain, amino acid, commodity items. What would you say kind of their co-cutaneous cheaper
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And they have like forms with bioperine and stuff. Would you say that's worth investing one's money into or would you go for a more expensive co-cutent supplement? That's a great question. It depends on the company. I mean, if you take a look at iHerb and you take a look and see if they've got a really comprehensive testing program.
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And they can prove that each batch is what's in the capsule or the gel cap. And then if you can, if their testing program exists and you can verify that it exists. And the next thing to look at is the user reviews and find out what people are saying, does it work? And so if you find that nine out of 10 people say that this is a fantastic supplement and it works, chances are it's a good supplement. Yeah.
00:09:59
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You know what? Let me just tell you something there. Last week or the week before, I found out that iHerb give each one of their customers up to $100. Basically, you get a dollar per review that you do.
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and then 10 cents per everyone that likes your review that finds it informative or not. So I am actually not sure because certain things have like 4,000, 5,000, 8,000 reviews. So I'm like, damn, that stuff must be really good. But now that they're incentivizing
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folks with a dollar per review i'm starting to question cuz i did i want i'm getting my hundred dollars i bought a ton of stuff from these guys why not get like a few bottles of whatever so i actually. Since we last talk talk to i got some offer gbc because you said some really nice things about that so.
00:10:50
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But yeah, just a little side down. I'm glad you brought that point up because that is so true. One of the things that supplement companies battle with all the time is how they get more sales is if they get good customer reviews. But how do you get those customer reviews? You can get them organically and just wait for people to review their product.
00:11:10
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or you can incentivize people to review the product. Just because the company incentivizes someone to do a review doesn't mean that it's a bad supplement. But it does have to be taken into consideration. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I definitely, because like, for example, if you look at, let's say I was looking at someone I know, their prenatal vitamin formula, it said it was the number one
00:11:39
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pediatrician-recommended supplement in the UK and meant like calcium carbonate, cyanocobalamin, folic acid. I don't even have to tell you, you already know this is garbage. It's the number one pediatrician formula. I'm not saying scams, but just marketing. I don't want to say dishonesty either, but people have to basically educate themselves and learn how to steer clear of marketing.
00:12:09
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Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I kind of, uh, we, we went down the rabbit hole there. So Alcar coke 10, what's for energy?
PQQ and Mitochondria Formation
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PQQ. Okay. PQQ is an enzyme cofactor that's active in every single one of your, uh, your cells, including in your brain. And what is the unique thing about PQQ is that it can stimulate the creation of new mitochondria.
00:12:38
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And I don't know of, there might be one other supplement out of 95 or a hundred supplements that I reviewed that can do that. So it was very unique in that sense. And so what that means is more mitochondria means that you can make more energy. Yeah. So PQQ works in concert with, in synergy with, uh, CoQ10. And the final one in this stack is alpha lipoic acid.
Alpha Lipoic Acid and Energy Production
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And our lipoic acid is the bioactive form of lipoic acid. And it's naturally occurring in your body, and it's a cofactor for mitochondrial enzymes that are involved in carbohydrate energy production. And it does a number of other things, too. But for example, it's a very powerful antioxidant. It works inside and outside of cells. And it's both water and fat soluble, which is a little unusual for a supplement.
00:13:32
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But in this case, it works in the process of producing adenosine triphosphate. And so if you put together a stack of acetyl L-carnitine and CoQ10 and PQQ and our lipoic acid, you're going to have a nice, pure, clean energy source. It's not going to be like drinking a Red Bull or a cup of coffee. It's not that type of energy jolt.
00:13:57
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But if you want to get rid of chronic fatigue or if you want to get to the point where you're not losing You're just running out of gas at two or three o'clock every afternoon and you start taking this stack Within a
Combining Supplements for Sustained Energy
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few days. You're gonna find out that that's not gonna happen anymore
00:14:13
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Yeah, I think especially like if someone wants to quit coffee, this is probably like a stack that would work really well to replace coffee because I know a lot of people it's a crutch that this is why they cannot, they want to quit, but they cannot quit. So if you want to quit coffee, for example, stimulants of other types, this would be a great thing, I think, to include this little stack. I think coffee, caffeine is a good way to boost energy temporarily, but I would, it's a secondary option.
00:14:43
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to my mind is take care of your most fundamental energy source first. And you support that by doing this. And after you've taken care of that, if you're still going to have times where you've got a really, really heavy workload or a really heavy emotional load and it saps your energy, that's when you might want to reach for caffeine as an energy supplement.
00:15:07
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Well then you have to know how to use caffeine to boost energy because the way caffeine works is I was talking about how adenosine triphosphate is produced in mitochondria and that's your energy source. As your mitochondria make adenosine triphosphate what's left over is adenosine and that adenosine
00:15:27
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builds up in your body and in your brain and it attaches to receptors and that's how you start to get sleepy and sleepier and sleepier throughout your day until finally you go to bed and you fall asleep. Caffeine inhibits the adenosine receptor.
00:15:41
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So it prevents adenosine from attaching to that receptor. That's how it works. That's where the stimulant effect comes from. But the other thing that it does too that people aren't aware of is that it uses dopamine in your brain. So it drains your dopamine levels. It also acts as a diuretic.
Effects of Caffeine on Energy
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So you end up excreting vitamins B6, B9, and B12 in urine.
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which is bad news because you need these as cofactors in the manufacture of things like dopamine, and it boosts cortisol. So if you're going to use caffeine as an energy supplement, you need to replace the dopamine, you need to replace the B vitamins and you have to reduce cortisol that's been jacked up by using caffeine. And you do that with L-tyrosine,
00:16:32
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a B-complex vitamin and something like L-theanine. And L-theanine helps suppress cortisol.
00:16:39
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Oh, thank God. I take all of those every day. But I'm seriously questioning making coffee tomorrow morning. You have made me question my decisions for the past whatever length of time. Okay. Actually, I have a couple little questions here, right? So PQQ, there is micro PQQ. I think it's cold or something like that.
00:17:03
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Bio PQQ. Bio PQQ,
Bioavailability of Bio PQQ
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yeah. Would that, it's obviously more expensive. Would you go for that one if you were buying a PQQ supplement? I would. And the reason why is because it is rather than a synthetic version of PQQ, it's a nature identical, more bio available form of PQQ. And they've got the evidence to back up that it works better than regular PQQ. Awesome.
00:17:33
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Good to know. Yeah, I think if you're going to be investing in a supplement and something is $20 and the more bioavailable version is let's say $27, you're much better off either saving your 20 bucks or investing the extra seven bucks and getting the better supplement. I agree.
00:17:53
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And just one final question on the alpha lipoic acid. So you said there's, cause I think there's a few of them. You said our lipoic acid is the one because you can get really cheap alpha lipoic acid, but, um, why, why do we want to avoid the cheap stuff and which is the best form to kind of look out for?
Stability of R-lipoic Acid
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Well, there's alpha lipoic acid, and there's s-lipoic acid, and there's r-lipoic acid. And so, s-lipoic acid, it's a form that's not found in nature. And using it, it doesn't produce the most essential properties of using lipoic acid as a supplement, and including interactions with proteins, enzymes, and genes.
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Arlopoic acid is the form of lipoic acid that naturally occurs in the human body and in animals and in plants. And it's the only form that functions as a cofactor for mitochondrial enzymes involved in energy production. The problem with arlopoic acid is it's highly unstable.
00:19:02
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And so it's difficult to put it in a capsule as a supplement. So oftentimes you'll see an RALA blend or it's like a 50-50 blend. So half SALA and half RALA. But there are a couple of companies that are putting out a stabilized version of Arlopoic acid, which is the version that you really want. It's more expensive, but it works. Okay.
00:19:32
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Okay, I love it. David, thank you so much again, once again, for your amazing insights. My pleasure. Thanks for having me, Christian.