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The Pop Culture Audit: Season 2, Episode 6 - "Be Quiet, Tiffany!"
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Are you ready for GENDERMANIA??!!!!??! Its girls vs boys in this epic episode and everyone is out for a night on the (sleepy, post-high season) town!
Plus, SHANICE IS BACCCCCKKKK!!!!! Join us as we discourse about Only Fans and the patriarchy, the institution of marriage and the drunkenness of it all.
It's day 12, ya'll. You know what they say "the days are long but the years are short"
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Transcript
Introduction to Pop Culture Audit Podcast
00:00:10
Speaker
Hi, readers. Welcome to the Pop Culture Audit, where we review reality TV and talk about all things pop culture through a contemporary and critical lens.
Understanding Pop Culture Audit
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Speaker
So what exactly is a pop culture audit? Easy. We take a deep dive of pop culture source material, in this case, summer house Martha's Vineyard, comb through it, highlighting some cringy and historic moments in pop culture discourse. If you're into that, you found the right place.
Discussion on Summer House Episode 'Naked Ambition'
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Speaker
I'm Keela. I'm Jasmine.
00:00:39
Speaker
And Brynn is here, and we're going to dive right in, friends, because we got episode six, Summer House, Martha's Vineyard. The title of the episode is Naked Ambition. Okay. That's cute. What is it? I guess. I know. That's how I feel. I guess. I guess. Shout out to the person who has the title of these episodes. Some assistant editor at Bravo, like, I don't know. Jamaican me crazy? That was brutal.
00:01:07
Speaker
All right, let's recap. Okay, lots happens.
Jasmine's Marriage and Friendship Struggles
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Speaker
We left off last episode, remember with Jasmine being awkward in the back room of this Ruby Tuesdays in her weird Mary Poppins hat. So we're coming right into this dinner, the Simon dinner and the straw gondolier hat.
00:01:25
Speaker
And Jasmine's crying about being married, how it's hard to be on vacation while you're married. Also remember, like they just got gifts with these watches. So there's like thousands of dollars of jewelry sitting around the table. Jasmine says she needs female friendship so much. It doesn't feel good that she just doesn't feel like she can relate to her female friends anymore.
00:01:56
Speaker
And then Bria decides to do a
Rivalries and Tensions in the House
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Speaker
toast. So Bria and Simon do a toast. And I'll tell you that throughout my notes here, I use a lot of caps, lots of all caps, because I was like, I see what's going on here. Bria and Simon are competition to be House Couple of the Year. And that is why Silas and Jasmine, they're in this power contest because now Bria and Simon are like,
00:02:14
Speaker
The consensus at the table seems to be that Jasmine has isolated herself.
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Speaker
full members of the house and they brought the watches and they're doing the cheers and they can't, Jasmine's eyes can't handle not being the puppeteers.
Social and Racial Dynamics Highlighted
00:02:35
Speaker
Yeah. Listen, they hate it. Okay, so they're done. They make Alex drive the sports car because everyone is drunk. It's a Corvette, we learn, because everyone's drunk and also yikes to the black man driving around the white man in a tux.
00:02:51
Speaker
Okay. Okay. Okay. Listen.
00:02:55
Speaker
You made a point about the visual though. And I'm going to. It was a Luke. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm with you. Okay. And also like throughout, there's some little Amir and Jordan moments. And this is one of the first ones. They're showing Amir. Yeah. They pepper them. Yeah. That makes us feel like we're not, we don't have the full story about these two.
Intimate Moment Between Jordan and Amir
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Speaker
Yeah. I bolded this. Jordan is showing her apartment on FaceTime and Amir is like lightly stroking her shoulder. I hate it. I peeped it. I peeped it.
00:03:25
Speaker
Okay. They're really cozy on this couch. That was like a stroke. I was like a... Yes, he sure do. He sure do. It's intimacy. It's intimacy. Yeah, for as much as they're playing like this is a one-sided situation, like... I mean, they're also... Very drunk. Everyone is very drunk. Incredibly. Everyone goes to bed and no one has sex, so that feels like a first.
00:03:56
Speaker
It's the next day. I know a house first, no sex in the house. It's the next day. Don't worry. We are still talking about Jasmine as a wife over breakfast. We're talking about Jasmine's wife status and Jasmine and Jordan start talking about Simon.
00:04:10
Speaker
Jasmine says she's seen the Tinder swindler too many times, which was exactly what I was saying last time. And Jordan says, Simon doesn't bother me. I love gifts, which I thought was like, I mean, Jordan just says, I mean, she doesn't probably know what that she does give Leo energy.
00:04:30
Speaker
She does give Leo.
Shanice's Return Creates Tension
00:04:32
Speaker
Okay. Sorry to get back on the birth charts. You're right. We have to know it's fine because y'all Shanice is back and she is acting very stressed out. Like she is like France. Her energy is so intense. The second she walks in, like she was chugging Diet Coke, the whole drive up there or something, you know that how you feel. I think she's so you always say she's mad.
00:04:56
Speaker
because I think she might be manic, bro. Like, shaky chihuahua. Like, she gets in the house. Oh, what? I didn't get that. Reverberates party energy. And any time there's a moment of stillness, Shanice ratchets it up. Like, she has to just get it going. Ratchets it up? That's right. That's right. Not like ratchet, like colloquial ratchet, but ratchet as in ratchets the stakes up. Like, moves the stakes up for the party, not ratchet.
00:05:25
Speaker
We can't stand peace. She needs to just raise the stakes, raise the stakes. Exactly, exactly, exactly. All right.
Discussion on OnlyFans and Attitudes Towards Sex Work
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Speaker
So Shanice meets Simon and like,
00:05:37
Speaker
It's a whole weird interaction. And Simon says, I have some things about Shanice I am not wanting to talk about. And Bria says, oh, he's mad that me and Shanice both did OnlyFans. And I wrote, guys, what did I tell you? What did I tell you? What did you tell us? What did you tell us? Because I want to say something about this. What did you tell us? Well, I'm going to dive into it a little bit later. But I did say that Bria has a specific
00:06:03
Speaker
Situation chip with Simon and now we learned the her and Shanice are on only fans and like That's one of their things Yeah, I will say that The girls have done playboy, right? They work at the playboy club There's mention of only fans like this is a very specific like group of girls like everybody
00:06:29
Speaker
So I just want to say that. I was going to say that, too. It was interesting that Bria goes, it wasn't like porn or anything because they weren't nude. She's like, we're not nude, which I also find interesting people who aren't nude but are using only fans. Like, it's sexy, but everything's we can dig into this later. I'm sorry, Brian. Continue. We have
Pet Care and Household Conflicts
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Speaker
to dive in. No, I'm with you. I'm like, because this also came so early in the episode and now I just tie a system of anything. So we will connect all the dots.
00:06:56
Speaker
But in the meantime, Summer comes downstairs and Milo, Jasmine, I'm looking at you. Milo has pooped on the rug next to the pool table. This dog is defecated. He's stressed because of Shanice's energy in the house. Totally stressed. Of course, I have a note about Milo and I just want to say, I don't think that he's being taken out often enough. That's why every time a door is open, he's running out full speed. So justice for Milo.
00:07:26
Speaker
That's true. He is trapped in that house a lot. And he's a tiny. He's a tiny. Yeah. OK. It's not right. OK. Summer goes to tell people. And she's not mad. She's just telling them matter-of-factly. And Alex immediately says, house meeting. But he's kidding. But it was really funny. What? He's kidding. But it was funny.
00:07:53
Speaker
Preston says, I am not having another house meeting in this house. And then Silas is like really trying to get him to do it. So this thing that was the joke suddenly becomes like serious. And Preston's like, that poop is just getting older while we sit and talk about it. And you just walked right past Bria's door because you want to come hustle up a house meeting instead of just going directly talking to her. Yeah, Preston.
00:08:14
Speaker
Period. Preston. Hero. Voice of Reason. I mean, an angel. Silas says, I'm not going to be the bad guy. And then he says, to Preston, you need to step up in this. What? Step up. Like, what? So goofy. The whole thing was, and he goes, you need to do better, Lime. LB. What? What? What?
00:08:34
Speaker
Wow. Bria cleans up this tiny little pile of poop and it's done. It's done. And Jasmine and Silas meanwhile are working each other up in the bedroom about this. They're so stressed about it. Poor kids. When they have kids, can you imagine?
00:08:54
Speaker
We'll talk about whether they make it that far. I can't actually. Okay.
Chaotic Spa Day and Group Dynamics
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Speaker
All right. Midday. There's a midday montage. The girls are having a spa day. They're in jammies. They have face masks. Bria has placed Milo in a little pack and play thing that she's dragging him through the house in. That was so funny. She is going to drag him in any clothes confined space. I don't know. Like can dogs be claustrophobic?
00:09:20
Speaker
Poor baby. He's an emotional support animal. Remember that. And I feel like he's just like allowing, like his role is just for her to take her trauma out. I think that she just said he's an emotional support animal. I mean, any animal can be like, we're just being honest. We'll talk about Brie as chaos. Yeah. I agree with you. Okay. I agree with you.
00:09:45
Speaker
Okay, so they're having the spa day. They're talking about Shanice's date. Remember when she was back with the pores in New York City and she says that her date had a big dick. And now they're talking about Alex and Shanice is going to spill the tea on the stalking situation.
00:10:04
Speaker
So she says her ex humiliated her. He lied about her. It went viral. She got death threats. There's so much drama in all
Shanice's Relationship Drama and Public Perception
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Speaker
of this. Again, it's all the same things we heard before. It's very vague, and we're not getting a lot of details. But it blew up, and now they've dealt with it. I have to pause at this point. Does Jasmine have a mustache drawn on her face? With a shirt? I don't know what was going on. I didn't know.
00:10:35
Speaker
It was like a scrub, but was over her like, I don't know. But it was very weird. I don't know. I just thought to myself, why is everyone looking at her and not telling her? Why would you like, we're on camera bros. Like, let's dial back the treatments. I don't know. I thought it was like pen, like they had drawn a mustache on her. Like, yeah, that's what it looked like.
00:11:02
Speaker
Anyway, it's evening time now, and they're gonna have a girls' night and a boys' night, and I'm really over, like, the hardcore heteronormative gender thing that's happening right now. Just hang out, hang out. Especially for a house where, like, no one's hooking up. It's like, why are we forcing this so much? It's just so weird. We're so forcing this. Yeah, I have room for nothing after Ulta made him queer love, so.
00:11:29
Speaker
As they're getting ready,
Exploration of Silas and Jasmine's Relationship Dynamics
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Speaker
Silas tells Jasmine to wear the dress he got her, but then he says, actually, I got you all these dresses. So, there's that. I hated that. I hated that. I hated that. Full stop. Once again though, sidebar, everyone looks fucking amazing.
00:11:54
Speaker
They do. So good. They look so good. They're so pretty. Yeah. They're asking Simon about his routine with Bria and he said something like, I am going to buy watches every day and then Bria needs my credit card. That's the routine. The girls are dancing.
00:12:19
Speaker
Silas is mad because Jasmine is acting like she's, oh yeah, so Silas is talking to the boys and he's saying that Jasmine is like, she's out here like she's on vacation, but I on the other hand am still doing my normal routine and she's like not doing it. God forbid she's on vacation. She literally is on vacation. It's giving her behavior. She's actually working. Let's just go ahead and take it down a notch actually. Come on Jasmine. Because if you think about it, she's working.
00:12:48
Speaker
She is, she's on camera. Let's go. He cannot relax. On the girls' night, they are wasted. They are fucking wasted immediately. On the boys' night, Silas is now on Jason's ass. He tells him that nice guys finished last.
00:13:08
Speaker
Jason says that he knows he's good looking, he has green eyes, and so he's mindful. Okay, Jason. She says, I just had a child. She's only three months old, and you thought I would be out here fucking? I'm dealing with the consequences of just shooting my shot, and I got real shit going on. Okay, Jason. That was a lot, but that was wrong. He's like, who are you talking to? Trying to get me to hook up with people. What? Yeah, him and Janet are going to be pimps. The girls keep drinking.
00:13:39
Speaker
Just have to say it, enough already with pushing everyone towards each other. Go deal with your own crap. Yeah, live your own life. Leave these people alone. They're just trying to have some seafood. Stop.
00:13:53
Speaker
A couple of ladies at the boys bar, a couple of ladies at the bar send over shots and Silas takes the shot, which is like, you know, Trey hypocrites. But then when he's taking it and they're giving him shit, they've realized that Silas isn't even wearing his wedding ring.
00:14:11
Speaker
Trash. Wow. Boom. Trash. Back to the girls bar. They're peeing outside. They're on the ground. They're so fucking wasted. Shanice keeps showing her boobs everywhere she is.
00:14:23
Speaker
So they're having very different nights out. Very different nights out. Not to be dizzy. It looked so fun. They were having the time of their lives. Twerking in the parking lot. When Lisa Renner said it's wackadoodle time, this is what she meant. It was wackadoodle time. It was when that man popped out and said, you need to get out my bush.
00:14:50
Speaker
Out. Out. I was like, I know that's right, girls. Have an amazing night. Not even
Girls' Fun Night vs Boys' Subdued Night
00:14:56
Speaker
messing with anyone. Oh, that was so fun. It was fun watching. Thank you, beautiful. Yeah, I was like, wow, I wish I want this. This looks so fun. Yeah. We love to the guys.
00:15:06
Speaker
Womp, womp, womp, womp. They were jealous. That's why they had to come home. Also, I want to say Silas. This was the drunkest we've ever seen him this episode. Was he drunk? You thought he was drunk. They didn't seem drunk at all. They seemed so bad. He was sober, very in control. No, he had that glazed over eye look, especially when they got the drinks from the ladies. I was like, oh, so Silas is committing to being wrong and doubling down, especially when he's like, she burnt my sandwich.
00:15:35
Speaker
Okay. Wow. Yeah. Like bro enough. Be quiet. It was just a very different kind of drunk because the girls were this fun. Yeah. The boys were like just sitting there sort of not wanting to hang out with each other. Yeah. I don't think they like each other. They're not friends. They are not friends.
00:16:01
Speaker
No, no, no. OK. Everybody goes home around the same time. The girls get home first. Shanice and Bria go skinny dipping. Then the boys get home. Sidebar that the house is fucking filthy. Thank you for saying that. Disgusting. The girls did not clean up their spa day. There's shit everywhere. It's disgusting. Disgusting. Thank you for saying that. That's in my name. Yeah, no. Next contracts with Bravo. Like, please get something. Get something thrown in because that is
00:16:30
Speaker
Unreasonable. That's how all of these houses look on reality TV. It's ridiculous. Gross. They always look gross. It's so gross. Okay, so the boys are home. The house is filthy. Silas is asking Summer if there were any males around. Jasmine walks in and she's like, I don't care. Stop. And she walks out in the hot tub. Simon is dancing. That was funny. And then Shanice asks if she can get naked.
00:17:00
Speaker
And Simon says, I have to ask Bria. Shanice gets naked anyways.
Tensions Over Shanice's Skinny Dipping
00:17:06
Speaker
And she is like, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked. I didn't hear him say that. Yes, he did. And he also wasn't staring at her. I noticed that too. There was nothing you could do. She's a tornado. There was nothing anyone could do.
00:17:20
Speaker
Bria walks out. She's immediately mad. She walks back inside. Simon follows her. Bria tells Simon to go upstairs. They keep telling everyone to go upstairs because if he goes back outside, he's going to get the fuck out of this house. In the hot tub, people are confused because Bria was just naked a minute ago, right? Jordan said it best when she said, but I also have enough sense. I'm not going to sit here and argue with a drunk woman making a steak in the middle of the night. And indeed, Bria is pan frying a steak on the stovetop.
00:17:50
Speaker
It looks so delicious. And she is. It looks so good. That must have hit the spot. So well. I know. I
Late Night Chaos and Arguments
00:18:00
Speaker
want to say. I mean, it absorbed none of her alcohol. So that's why she's still a mess. Absolutely.
00:18:05
Speaker
We now are, just so if we're keeping track, for the readers who are keeping track, we now have Jordan coming home to make a potato after a night. And Bria with this fucking steak, like, do you all know, do you have chips? Are there no chips in the house? Pizza rolls? There's mac and cheese. There's chicken. And there's fillet.
00:18:27
Speaker
The old fillets were in the house. The steak looked like it hid. She's like angry making it too. She's like, hate making this steak. Yeah. Okay. Now they're in the most messy kitchen in the world. There's eating like children. Amir has an ice cream bar. Someone has orange juice. Someone else is crushing Lay's chips on top of yet another steak. Like we've lost the fucking thread here. These are babies in this house.
00:18:58
Speaker
Simon is getting in trouble and I think he's wearing Versace underwear. Is that what those were? His little boxer briefs? I don't know. The clothing was real interesting, but okay. It was specific, a specific. Yeah. He just keeps telling Brea she's right, which is like literally the only move. Like, he's just like, you're totally right. Yeah. Absolutely correct.
00:19:20
Speaker
Silas and Jasmine are in bed, and Silas is confessing that two women bought them shots at the bar, and Jasmine says, you could have got drugged. Then she says, what? That's ego. And then for that, we have to have sex in the closet.
00:19:35
Speaker
And Silas says, I'm not doing that, but actually, yes, let's do that. And then we cut to the weird porn noises from the closets and the closet. We actually think that that it's their noises or is it like production inserting the noises? I think it's real noises that have been inserted to that moment. Like they may not have been from that encounter, but they are real noises that they obviously turn the volume up and put in that section.
00:20:04
Speaker
Also, I want to correct myself, it's not funny the risk of being drugged. It was just interesting that that is where Jasmine's mind went to. That was so specific. And Skyla's concern was like, you need to not open the door for other men. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a very specific. Again, she's wasted though. That's true. That is true. That is true.
00:20:28
Speaker
Okay, Amir comes to sleep in Shanice's room since there is so much sex noise.
Reflection on Nighttime Chaos
00:20:32
Speaker
So we can assume that there was noise, right? Because Amir truly does leave. Oh, that's right. He goes and sleeps on the couch. That's right. Yeah. Okay, morning time, day 12. Bria is not feeling well. That makes sense to most of us. She is still ranting about Shanice's vagina being out.
00:20:53
Speaker
Preston dares to wonder if perhaps our darling Bria is the common denominator in the drama, and Bria looks shocked by this idea. Preston's like, oh, you don't think all this has to do with you every time? And she's like, what?
00:21:11
Speaker
Okay. Couldn't believe it. Could not. Amir, Jordan, Shanice, and Alex are going to go play tennis. We find out that Jordan, my fourth and last black playboy, used to also play field hockey, lacrosse, equestrian, and she was a fencer. Wasn't that interesting? And that Shanice was an excellent player. Black sounds about right. But it sounds about right for all of them. They give that. Yeah. She's giving boarding school. I love it so much.
00:21:38
Speaker
She is. She is.
Bria's Emotional Turmoil
00:21:40
Speaker
The rest of the house is having a rosé day, or we're like planning for this rosé day, except for Bria. Bria is laying in bed with Milo curled at her feet with sunglasses on, saying she's not doing any of these activities because Shanice got naked in front of her man. I also think Bria is naked in her bed with these sunglasses on. I think she's nude. She is. She looks sunglasses on.
00:22:01
Speaker
I knew Kayla was going to love this moment. I'm like, this is, Bria can do no wrong if she puts these sunglasses on at ridiculous times. I get it. I get it. When I saw her, I was like, look at her looking cute. She knows it too. I love Gemini's. I love Gemini's. Like what? I wouldn't go that far. No, I wouldn't go that far. Alex compares Bria to Trump or Kanye. So other people feel differently about Gemini's.
00:22:29
Speaker
Yeah,
Silas's Controlling Nature
00:22:31
Speaker
exactly. Alex was the one who called out her, her Gemini ness, her, her duality to set up for the rosé party. They have to move this table outside. Silas is micromanaging Jason who is not having it. And now Silas is sharing that the reason he does this is because he was a platoon leader and Jason is like, Oh, okay.
00:22:51
Speaker
Oh my God. When he was called racist, he saved white men in the field and now he's a platoon leader and lives are on the line. They're back in the house. Silas is mad at Jasmine because she left him there to look controlling and she says, that's nuts, which it is.
00:23:07
Speaker
Then they're getting dressed and Silas has opinions about Jasmine's footwear and whether or not she should wear sandals or heels or which heels and should she wear the sandals? And then he has like a final note of like, oh, you're not going to like to be in the grass with those shoes. OK, can I see the method was petty like the whole argument was petty and he was just picking on her. But he did make a good point about heels on the grass. But like she didn't have a choice. Yeah, she can take them off.
00:23:36
Speaker
Exactly. The delivery was not tasteful, but he made a little point. This is the only time I'll say something. He just had to get the last word. I just made a little point. Exactly. Exactly. He did not have to like, let's let it go. Let it go. Exactly. He wasn't any of his business. He was dressed. Period. Period. Period. Speaking of things people want to say, Alex tells Jordan she is looking thick. And so the wheels are coming off.
00:24:00
Speaker
Yeah, the bar is in hell. Also, we'll have to double click on why can Alex drink Rosé, but he doesn't drink anything else. Like, were you guys going to skip on this question? Very strange. Very strange. I don't drink Wesch, but he's going to be 10 toes in on Rosé Day. Like, Rosé? I enjoy a Rosé. Don't say you don't drink.
00:24:21
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, okay. Maybe you're allergic to like beer, hops or something. I don't know, but like if you drink rose, you do in fact drink. I wasn't showing up to bars ordering rose or was he? Was he showing up places ordering it? He had to drive the Corvette. No. That's true. We don't know. We're missing a whole chunk of the conversation that he just decided to drink this night or something. Alex, come on the show and clarify. I don't really drink.
00:24:48
Speaker
Alex, defend yourself, bro. We have mega questions. All right, so they're all coming down to the table. Shanice is getting ready upstairs. She thinks it's very funny to come on the balcony with no shirt on and a bottle of rose.
Cliffhanger: Shanice's Antics
00:25:03
Speaker
Most people think it's not funny and in fact, awkward. And we get another
00:25:08
Speaker
to be continued. We already know it's going to be continued. It's an episodic television show. Sue.
00:25:20
Speaker
Surprise, we know. We got it. Same time, same place next Sunday. Check, check, check. All right, Jasmine, hit us. What do you think? I'm up. All right. Audit point number one, Jasmine and Silas and their whole relationship.
Discussion on Silas and Jasmine's Marriage Issues
00:25:36
Speaker
Okay, so fun fact. Silas said that the in-laws watched the show and that Jasmine's dad made a comment about so much sex going on in the show.
00:25:47
Speaker
And he's really embarrassed.
00:25:51
Speaker
His parents watched the show, so everyone knows their sex life now. So I thought that was really interesting. And then also too, when Jasmine was crying at the table and she's like, been struggling, I thought she was talking about her marriage and that it conveniently moved to her friends. But when she initially looked at Silas and said like, mouths, I'm sorry. I'm like, what is she talking about them? Why would she apologize to him?
00:26:21
Speaker
for crying about her friends. I didn't understand that unless she was apologizing because she wasn't having a perfect moment. I didn't get that. Did you guys pick up on that? I feel like the editing in that scene, I feel like there were points in this episode where I was like, OK, we missed a step with the editing. We just missed some steps. I can't speak to the dinner, but when it comes to the sex, when people who were like, especially like traditional norms,
00:26:50
Speaker
I get that your parents don't want to see you have sex, but what did they think? Like, you're married. Wouldn't they prefer that you're having a... I mean, it's on TV. But I mean, okay. Like, if you're going on TV, there is going to be some intimacy of your life exposed.
00:27:06
Speaker
I just think that's interesting that that is like what they picked up to talk about in this episode. Well, but we should work it because I feel like we have accepted the bedroom cam as like something that's always been. This is why I can't wait to go away. I want to go back to the vault next season. Oh, I think the bedroom cam is relatively new. Y'all in like in the arc of reality TV. Really? We didn't used to get always on bedroom cam below deck was the first time I ever saw it were there.
00:27:36
Speaker
You have, there's no moment where you can not be on camera. Yeah. Below deck and sex scenes. And I was shocked. I was just randomly flipping through the channels and I was like, no, you'll hear slapping noises. Like, no, it is so gross. But I think it's the last few year development, the bedroom cam, like the always on bedroom cam. So I don't know that, you know, I agree. They're adults, they're grown.
00:28:01
Speaker
But I think people have been having sex on reality TV and you at least had some place where you were. It was just audio not filmed. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Or something. Yeah. Yes. It could be a ratings thing, too. Yeah. I think they're allowed to a nastier point of society.
00:28:23
Speaker
quick detour, shiny, happy people about the Duggars. And they had a sociologist on who talked about how reality TV is historically conservative, which I think we should talk about on a separate episode. And I think that's like, and she went on to emphasize that it's about like traditional gender roles or enforce the reality TV. It's usually people who are a particular type of beauty standard and body and like,
00:28:50
Speaker
I agree. I agree. But I do think there's something to say that I am so desensitized that I'm like, of course they have a bedroom cam. And of course, we saw full Stark ass naked people this episode, which is the first time we've seen it on the
Silas's Outdated Relationship Views
00:29:05
Speaker
show. And I'm like, well, that's interesting that we're so far in the season and they're butt ass naked. Not just Denise, but we got Jasmine and some other people. It was just interesting.
00:29:15
Speaker
Yeah, I thought that was interesting, too. I will say another fun fact. I watched a interview with Silas. He just chimed in on a review show, a live YouTube review show that I was watching and he called in to, you know, defend myself.
00:29:31
Speaker
Oh my God. Why? He was saying. Why? Yes, yes, yes. And so he was like, oh, we went to counseling. I've changed my ways. All of these things, I completely understand where everyone's coming from. And the host of the show was like, oh, do you understand where people are coming from because you're being dragged on social media? Or is this genuinely where you're at?
00:29:59
Speaker
and he kind of chuckled or whatever. But he did say that they were, him and Jasmine were only married two months before going into that house. And so- But still, that doesn't mean anything to me. Like, but you've been together for years. Well, I will say that they weren't together for years. I think it was very quick. A year that they've been together, but they had to, it had to have at least been a year.
00:30:27
Speaker
Then he said he was gone for like seven or eight months out of the relationship like he was deployed. So there was like a lot of time away. But I said all that to say the routine that he speaks of at the table with the men couldn't have gone on for longer than eight weeks before getting in that house. And I just thought it was very strange. One thing that he says when he says
00:30:50
Speaker
Are you wearing the dress I got you? Technically, I got you all of these dresses. It reminded me of clips that are going around on social media of Gabrielle Union and Dwayne Wade. And what's going on. We're just talking about my parents. We can only go too far in this dialogue, or we will spend six months pulling apart this relationship. But go ahead. I have to know. Tell me everything. I just have to say this. That's never an episode.
00:31:15
Speaker
No, no, no, I just have to say this and we could wrap it up but I will say that Gabrielle Union was. There's a clip of her going around where she's talking about being stressed about money. And whenever a movie doesn't hit or something doesn't happen she feels very stressed because she's taking care of.
00:31:32
Speaker
extended family members and she goes 50-50 with Dwayne Wade on every single thing that they do. And the internet went nuts because he's worth 170 million, she's worth 40. And people are like, why is he making her go 50-50 on everything? And so he does an interview where he's like, she's a working actress, it's fine. Like, you know, she's happy to do it. That's just how we govern our relationship.
00:32:01
Speaker
But what he's missing, oh, because he said that the reason why they decided to go 50-50 is because one day they were in an argument and he told her, this is my house after they were married. And she looked at him and said, you will never be able to say that to me again. We are officially moving forward with 50-50 in this relationship. And he's bragging about it. But what he's doing and what Silas is doing to tie it all in is that there's no safe place.
00:32:27
Speaker
So if you're a stay-at-home wife, or if you make significantly less money than your spouse, and if they make you feel that way, like with Silas comment about the dresses and buying everything, or that earlier in the season talking about, oh, well, I knew I had to be the person to manage our finances because she lived in a car. She lived in a car three years before you started dating.
00:32:49
Speaker
Anyways, I could go on and on. I just find this relationship to be on shaky ground and I wonder how long Jasmine will be able to sustain this pace with her new husband.
00:33:02
Speaker
But to be clear, Dwayne Wade and Gabrielle Union are rock solid in couple goals. Not at all on shaking ground. Oh, they're so not my couple goals, but that is a whole other conversation. This is literally an episode on itself breaking apart this marriage. Listen. I'm so serious. We got to read the book.
00:33:20
Speaker
I read the book that I made. I read the book. So I got worked up just like everyone else because I thought everyone was acting up. But what do, it really made me think, what do I expect to change in marriage? And I think
00:33:36
Speaker
We work in DEI and I feel like I think critically about equity and what does it mean to feel like we have co-ownership of our home and our lifestyle. What do I expect would be significantly different if I were to get married to my partner?
00:33:52
Speaker
And I think like there are people who think critically about like, or I'll say critically and also want like equal partnership and balance and feeling like there's division of labor. And there are people who default, and this is no judgment to gender normative standards where like, okay, I will provide.
00:34:09
Speaker
and you live in my house, and we do it this way. And I think it seems like, what is their last name again? The Coopers. The Coopers won a default to the gender normative marriage dynamic, but it's not working. Like it's not. I think it's Silas. Yes, I think it's him. And I think she has an idea from
00:34:32
Speaker
being this party girl and being this free-spirited chick, playboy girl, lived in a car, writer, blah, blah, blah, blah, meets this guy who's far more structured than her, way more traditional than her, and she falls in line because she thinks that that's what a wife is supposed to be. And when she speaks about being a wife, it feels like this foreign concept. It doesn't feel personal. It does. To her and her relationship.
00:34:58
Speaker
I think it was either Jasmine or it was Jordan or Brea who said it best of like, of course she's stressed. Like she's falling into this dynamic of the statuesque woman. Yes. I put it as like, there's also a way that Jasmine is footing herself into this position. But also we've mentioned this on the podcast before of being married is clout for women. Like it is a status.
00:35:21
Speaker
that I think Jasmine enjoys. And it's just interesting to see her navigate it. But the whole thing has really made me think because it makes marriage seem as this like negative, arduous event where you death of self. And I don't know, I've just really been thinking of like what if I were to get married, what do I expect to change? And what do I want, if anything, to change? Like, what does that look like? Because for the Coopers, it made it seem like there was this death of self, particularly for Jasmine.
00:35:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's always been a big thing of me being afraid of marriage. I'm like, Oh, I want to be me. And I'm like, you can be you. You just have to find someone who can accept that and you guys meet in the middle. So what happens with the relationship? But interesting today. Interesting episode. Okay, I'm sorry, girl. What's your next point?
00:36:12
Speaker
Oh, no, you can go next. I think my next point was just kind of similar, just I was being controlling AF and trying to tell people how to move a table outside, feet away from a door or telling Jason that he's too nice and nice guys finish last.
Social Dynamics and Gender Expectations
00:36:29
Speaker
And Jason had to like kind of boss up on him a little bit and be like, yeah, I'm handsome. So that's not a problem for me.
00:36:40
Speaker
I don't have time to go into that tonight, but sure. Okay. I'm fine with that. He had to boss up on Silas because Silas was acting as if he needed to teach him how to
00:36:54
Speaker
deal with women. It's like, who do you think you are? Um, him running around, he would rather pass up Bria's door back and forth and rally the troops for another survival, survivor style meeting than to just say, Hey, Milo, you know, poop downstairs. It's just like the way that he thinks it's just so archaic, sexist,
00:37:15
Speaker
And he's also a hypocrite for not wearing his ring and accepting drinks. So I just really cannot deal with this guy. Can I double click on this? Because two of my audit points are about men this week. Okay. So the first one is about
00:37:33
Speaker
So one of my pet peeves, and this is something I'm working to be better on, is when you have beef with someone and you want someone else to go take it up for you, rather than you just communicate the beef.
00:37:47
Speaker
I know it started as a joke for Alex to be like house meeting, but Silas with a swift energy was like, OK, house meeting. Preston goes, I'm not meeting for anything else. And when he pointed out good for him, when he pointed out, you had to walk past Bria's door to come up here and tell me this. And while you're doing this, the shit's getting cold on the rug.
00:38:06
Speaker
In this whole time, those two are fighting. Bria picks up the shit and it's all good. It's fine. And then Silas goes into the room with Jasmine and they're arguing about it and he goes, I don't want, I don't want to be the bad guy anymore. Are you not the host of the house? Were you not the one enforcing a three day rule? Were you not the one telling everyone to vote to kick people out?
00:38:25
Speaker
Like it just bothers me. Like if you want to be in charge, be in charge. I hate, I just hate this like deflection of, of authority and power because you don't want to say no anymore. Well, you wanted to be the boss. You want to be the house full voting for two members. And now you don't want to say anything to Bria. So now you don't have the energy. Keep the same energy. And also Bria doesn't really have beef with it. Like she wasn't just going to leave the shit if no one told her. She was like, where is it? Went down, cleaned it up, called it a day.
00:38:52
Speaker
Like it was just, it was so annoying and I really appreciate Preston to the point where Silas was arguing about it. Like, you know what? Keep your opinion, LB. What? Don't put your relationship on blast like that. Like just go pick up the shit if it bother you that much, but a house meeting.
00:39:08
Speaker
Are you the leader of the house or not? Are you the host or not? Are you a full member of the house or not? Like, figure it out. Full member. Full member. Well, this is... And he and Jasmine are co-dependent on these different ways, right? Yes. Yes. Absolutely. And he depends on her to... She has to back him up or he has no power. I'm so glad you brought that up. Yep. And then she depends on him for whatever fucking validation and or money.
00:39:35
Speaker
Um, so yeah, they have, they have that sort of special toxic relationship that might just stand the test of time because of how specifically it fits together and like what they need from each other. Yikes. She's not happy. She's not. She's not. And that's, well, Jasmine, if you want to come on the podcast and tell us about it, that's okay too. Um, speaking of other people who I think are unhappy, there's a really beautiful quote from a woman. Um, you may have heard of her name, Tyra Banks on her show, America's next top model.
00:40:05
Speaker
In which she says, be quiet Tiffany. And I want to say my biggest audit point this week is be quiet Tiffany. And it's to almost every man in the house.
00:40:19
Speaker
There were three particular things that really made me upset this week about men speaking. And I'll point them out to you. The men should have just been quiet this week. The first comes from Silas arguing with Jason about being a platoon leader. That has nothing to do with moving a table outside. No, nothing. No.
00:40:39
Speaker
Who are you talking to? Who are you talking to? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? This is moving a table outside. Just keep it. Jason didn't need that feedback from you, which I'm going to give it more energy than that. That was weird and unnecessary. Just be quiet. Be quiet, Tiffany. You don't have to say anything. The next is Alex. Alex has been sneaking under the table this week by really just not saying much. He doesn't drink. He's mad at dating. I think we're bringing up Alex.
00:41:08
Speaker
Two things he said that upset me this week. The first was when they were playing tennis. I don't hear any grunts you aren't playing sexy enough.
00:41:16
Speaker
You don't talk enough in this show for you to be giving out weird ass quotes. You at least need to hit 500 words per scene if you're going to be making shit like this. Who are you? And the second and the most bizarre was when Jordan out of nowhere walks to the table in preparation for the pastel party and Alex saying,
00:41:38
Speaker
Out of, and I tell you, nowhere. Jordan, you looking thin. Okay, I have an unpopular opinion about that. Go. Hmm? We might agree.
00:41:48
Speaker
We might agree. Okay, so you look and think it's a compliment. The fact that she didn't know that was weird to me, but maybe that's, I don't think it's like offensive, but it was weird. It was out of nowhere because you have this guy who's meditating, doing yoga, not drinking, staying out of the, you know, the drama. Afraid of Shanice.
00:42:09
Speaker
afraid of doesn't even want to interact with this one because he's scared for his life and so now all of a sudden you see her in this sweater dress and lose your god darn mind like you can't where's the reserve where's the yogi like where's the prayer that was weird where's the higher self where is where is it boy what the hell
00:42:30
Speaker
The other two men walk away so he can go say, Jordan, when you first got there, they assigned you a person. First of all, why would you wear girl? I don't even know what day, day 14. Why are you bringing this up now? If you are making a real pass at her and these are your boys, this ragtag group of people, your boys and you do, it was just so, what are you talking about? Like lay down, take a nap. What are you talking about? Yes.
00:42:59
Speaker
Oh, and the last one, um, they really got us worked up this week.
Complex Relationship Between Bria and Shanice
00:43:04
Speaker
Can you tell everybody talking about like, okay. Then the last one that really had me spiraling was Jason in the car after the dinner, 80 or 90% of women lose themselves in a marriage.
00:43:19
Speaker
to which someone responds. Is this something you've googled or you know? Be quiet Tiffany. What are you talking about? Like what are you talking about? Like y'all are just at this point, they are just talking to talk. Like men are just talking to talk because what are you saying?
00:43:38
Speaker
Yeah, they all were off. Every last one of them with the exception of Preston. With the exception of Preston. It at times, Amir. Amir didn't say anything. Amir was like, where is your ring? You can take drinks from another man? Are you really in this? When Silas goes, I have a 90 day. 90 day, yes. Amir goes, is this a trial?
00:43:57
Speaker
Amir did have comments this week. They had some good comments. What is going on? Are y'all bored? Do you need scrabble or something? They do seem bored. It seems like the men shouldn't be on the show is what it seems like. This should just be something else. When I saw the girls night, that was my first thought. I was like, whoa, this show would be so much fun without the men.
00:44:20
Speaker
Yeah. Same. I was like, what if it was, first I was like, I would watch a second season of this. And then two, what if it was all girls in the house next season? Yep. Yep. They can bring people back for the night, but nobody, nobody is filled for members. Yeah. And then he has to go the next day because y'all, you need a crossword puzzle. That was very weird. That was very weird.
00:44:46
Speaker
That's all I do feel like they're bored. I feel like they just want it to be over. Like even. Yeah. Even about Jordan. It's like the half. Yeah. No, they're all just like waiting because if they were going to hook up, they would have hooked up by now. Come on. Thank you. Thank you. That's over. It's no the window. So now they're just like half heartedly like you look sick or I'm going to stroke your shoulder like say it again. And that like lackluster. You look thick.
00:45:12
Speaker
It sounds so lackluster, like she's just like... The way he said energy at all. Yeah, no energy. There was no passion behind it. No, he's like, I just have to, I can't not be a fucking man for a second. So here you go. She's gonna follow herself like, Oh my God, I love it. I can't believe it. I was like, is that your pass? Is that your game? She's supposed to like,
00:45:38
Speaker
Giggle, like what do you think is going to happen? And she looked confused. She was like, what? And which is why they had the conversation. She was like, we've never spoken like that before.
00:45:48
Speaker
Yeah, no need they need a we they need like we tennis they need something because it's weird. Yes. Yeah, we bring back we I also don't want to see them in Martha's vineyard anymore. I feel like they're trapped on an island and I'm not. I'm not the same waiter every time that white man every time. Oh my God. I just know they're not convincing me to go.
00:46:12
Speaker
No. Well that's a helpful note. And also it looks cold. I think they're fucking cold. Well because they filmed in September. They're cold. So there's nobody there. They're off season. It's off season. Yes. That's why there's no one else to hook up with, which is why they're in the house telling each other they're thick and arguing about the auction. It's really sad.
00:46:33
Speaker
Yeah. All right. Brandon, you're up. Okay. All right. I'm going to start. So this one is not a fully formed that I started to tell you guys before we hit record that I felt for a few days after our last recording, I felt bad and it was on my heart to be like, okay, I think I said something like, I think Brea is poor. And you did say that. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. And then I was like, Oh, I feel bad because like,
00:46:59
Speaker
She's not poor and there's nothing wrong with being, this is not a nice thing to say about someone. And like, also there's nothing wrong with being poor. There's nothing wrong with being poor. Well, okay. No, I was going to issue a retraction. No, I still think it's fine to be poor. And this, this makes me work through a lot of my own
00:47:29
Speaker
shit and like to your point, no judgments. And then I'm like, they did only fans. And I'm like, who cares? Get yours. That's valid work, right? Like it's Playboy only fans. It's fine. And I can't act like I'm a completely self-actualized adult woman who still doesn't harbor some judgment towards that. If that's how you make your money, right? I can't because you are, you are like,
00:47:54
Speaker
force-feeding patriarchy its own stuff. Like you are, we're not breaking any systems when we engage in OnlyFans, right? In the way that- Where are we? Oh, I disagree with that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay, girl. Take some stand. Are we fighting against the power by taking our own sexuality back and not being on corners, being pimped anymore and taking all of our money and trafficked against our will? I think it might be a positive thing.
00:48:24
Speaker
I don't think Onlyfans is not a positive thing. I don't think sex work is not a positive thing. I think that all is. When it is primarily driven by and for the desires and at the whim of men and what men like and until told otherwise, I assume that's what Brie and Shanice are doing on Onlyfans.
00:48:44
Speaker
than I think high level, similar to the the narratives around like getting worked on. But like if it makes you feel your best self, and if you're taking control of how you look like yes, and you're still
00:48:55
Speaker
99.9% of the time, the work that we have done is still feeding into patriarchal beauty standards. And maybe that's what makes you feel good, but that's still there. And this is still what makes you money is this hetero man stuff. And yes, keep your cash. It's all good. But the scales, they still got their foot on the scale at the end of the day.
00:49:19
Speaker
They're still doing it. Yeah, it's I feel like we're so far the capitalism and the history and all these intersecting systems have made it deeply complex to parse out what is and what is resisting like sex work and misogyny. Yeah, I think what's interesting is this juxtaposition of like they all met through Playboy.
00:49:43
Speaker
But I feel like they just have different attitudes about that work. Like, I wonder what Silas's reaction was when he found out that Jasmine worked for the club. I don't think Jasmine may not have done only fans, but Bri and Shanice were like, yeah, this is a way to get money. Jordan talks about how, like, I wasn't just Bunny of the Year, but I also wrote and directed and interviewed Summer. And like, so which they all feel differently.
00:50:08
Speaker
They all that they feel differently. And I wish there was a discussion about that. Like there would be something I feel like there's something really interesting there about how they relate to that experience. You also have to be a certain level of attractive to be a bunny period. And I think it's interesting that all of them as women of color have been bunnies. It just I don't know. I feel like there's a very rich conversation that we are. Yeah. Are not having.
00:50:37
Speaker
That's their right. But it's interesting. No, they don't have to parse that out. They don't have to parse it out. It's not on them, but it is. It is interesting. It parallels a lot of these different forms of oppression of like, am I going to root for black people getting rich? Yes. Do I think the way to liberation is through black capitalism? I do not. Right? Yeah. But that's not on Bria to liberate black people.
00:50:59
Speaker
or to liberate women. So I will always sort of resist the we're playing, you know, master's tools and master's houses kind of thing as a way to our our salvation. And I'm not going to hate on somebody to push back my own, my own internalized like patriarchy
00:51:27
Speaker
of being like, you did what with your titties? Like, no, whatever. Do you? Do you? It's fine. It's your body. I was a little shocked that Silas or Alex didn't throw it back in their face earlier in the season because they yeah, they seem like just now coming up with Simon, who is like probably the most like passive person in the house is like, well, you know, I didn't like ugly did only fans. But I feel like if Silas knew that or if Nick knew that they would have said something. So something. Yeah.
00:51:57
Speaker
Absolutely. No, it's odd that it's been like this weird secret that they're just revealing now. Yes. Yes. Simon is the one to spill the beans about it for whatever reason, right? Yeah. I do think that Bria is a monster. Okay. A lot of people do. A lot of people do. It's for OnlyFans. I think she is.
00:52:20
Speaker
the most gorgeous person I've ever seen in my life. Her style is unparalleled. Her face, the way she talks, I am just obsessed with her. I have an absolute crush on her. So cute. She's a star. She's a star. Cute. Yes, she's an absolute star and she knows it. She is one of the bratiest, sloppiest people who tantrums her way through life
00:52:45
Speaker
And because she's a star, gets away with it. And I guess, again, good for you. But she is toxic. Like, come on, y'all. This is like the third time now that she's thrown a fucking fit and ground everything to a halt in the house over almost nothing, pretty much nothing. She did not say the word disrespect over and over again. So I can give her that. We've evolved. But I think she's a new day. Which is shocking because this is the episode where someone
00:53:12
Speaker
Someone's naked in front of her dude, and this is the first time. The clearest example of disrespect, yeah. The other examples were not disrespectful, but in fact- What's also actual things?
00:53:25
Speaker
I don't, you know, I'm a Bria and Bria Hives along with most, a lot of Hives. I mean, like they, it's interesting to me that she got so mad about her friend. Like if you and Shanice, Shanice is your best friend in the house and it seems like they have a relationship outside of this. I found it interesting that Shanice like wasn't, she didn't even care like about Bria's feelings or like have any considerate. I don't know. That was, that was interesting.
00:53:52
Speaker
Yeah. You know what? I didn't even think about it that way in particular, but like she said, you've been naked in front of my boyfriend. We've skinny dipped in front of my ex-boyfriend. In her mind, she's probably like, oh, so now your boyfriend's off limits? No. We're still keeping up for sure. The boundaryless friendship with Shanice, they are Animaniacs.
00:54:17
Speaker
They already have no boundaries. They have no actual relationship, right? They are just party monsters together.
00:54:24
Speaker
who hype each other up. Even that FaceTime call was chaotic, right? They're not even listening to one another. They're both having two separate conversations. Yeah, they are college friends. That's how it feels. I don't know. That's definitely the vibe, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like you can have friends from college where the relationship is so meaningful. But I feel like I look at these people and I'm like,
00:54:54
Speaker
You, it seems like you hardly really know each other.
00:54:58
Speaker
That's what I mean. And I don't mean all college friends are shallow. I just met several friends in college. Yeah, the term is, I don't know shit about you. Yeah. But also like, yeah, like obsessively into them. Like, yes. And you only know them because you're in college and that's kind of where your relationship stops growing. And I wonder like that too. It's okay. Yeah. Nick and Alex, like, do y'all really, even like Jordan and Jasmine, like, do y'all really know each other?
00:55:30
Speaker
where you are in your lives right now? Yeah, that was yeah, I've been thinking about when Bria was like, we're family and they did that toast at the beginning. I'm like, you know how I feel. You know how I feel. Not family. You're not family. No, no, these people. No. So beyond just so okay, and it kind of ties together with with Bria and Shanice's antics. My bigger point that is and y'all know, like,
00:55:59
Speaker
how I feel about this. So I hate, I hate.
00:56:02
Speaker
I hate this much alcohol in anything. And I think some people are like, oh, she can't handle it. She's in recovery. No, I'm not. I just quit drinking. It's fine.
Consequences of Alcohol Consumption
00:56:13
Speaker
It's not 12 steps. It's too funny. Some people will do that. They'll grab my shoulder and be like, are you OK? Do you want to leave? I'm like, no, I really don't fucking care. You all are annoying. But just because you're drunk, I'm not at all triggered. My hands don't shake. I told you before that I love watching
00:56:32
Speaker
Below deck because they have the right amount because they are forced to stay sober during charter they can only get drunk in small chunks and Then that is enough of a taste of it for me to be like I never want to drink again y'all are fools But if they were drunk the whole time like they are in some of these other shows I wouldn't watch it because of this very thing the secondhand embarrassment is so real but I
00:56:54
Speaker
And I'll say this, I did write this down, what both of you said. When I first watched that girl's night, it looks so fun. So fun. I remember having nights like that. And this is another reason that I'm not like, I'm in recovery. I had the fucking best time. I was wild. And I had so much fun doing it. I would undo some of it, but not most of it because we had so much fun. And that looked so much fun.
00:57:24
Speaker
But it gets to a point where the mess of it all like truly knocks the wind out of me like and I think the more it's been more about like my
00:57:36
Speaker
recontextualization of alcohol as not being a thing that is normal. We've normalized it in our society. Imagine you were aliens and you came to this society and I had to explain to the aliens what this substance is and what it does to you and what it tastes like and what people do and they'd be like, say what?
00:57:57
Speaker
That's a good thought. And it's illegal, but they still drink, and it's part of American lore. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And we're just also poisoning ourselves. To what end? Oh, so that we can be stupid and make weird decisions. And I'm a big believer. I think some people love the mantra that you are more yourself when you're drunk. You are not. You have literally poisoned yourself. People do things when they're drunk that they would never, ever do that are completely incongruent with themselves.
00:58:26
Speaker
I believe that wholeheartedly. I've done it and I've seen people do it and like that are so out of character. So when they're this. I'm like, hmm, do I agree with that for me? I don't know. I have to circle back.
00:58:40
Speaker
Yeah, and that's not to say people will get looser and their inhibitions go down and they say things that they wouldn't say. I also say you have inhibitions for a reason, right? A lot of times to keep you safe. So, yeah. Like, what about? Yeah. No, no. A lot of times we don't need to do that because it's dangerous AF. And people, and like they were on this cusp of drunkness. People are making like decisions about their bodies and they're out of their fucking minds. And I don't like that. I don't like that.
00:59:08
Speaker
I don't think people have the agency when they're that trashed to make body decisions that
00:59:16
Speaker
I think a lot that they can necessarily feel good about. I think we bend ourselves through hoops the days after to try and be like justify that we did certain things or that we wanted to do certain things. And that's why that narrative like you really just do what you actually want to do when you're drunk is so prevalent because it helps everything fit into a box. But it makes me so uncomfortable to watch a girl like go skinny dipping. I mean, do whatever. It's again, it's not about the nudity. It's not about being a prude.
00:59:44
Speaker
I don't think you would do that if you weren't wasted. And I would. You might. That's what I'm saying. People might. I don't think they would do that if they weren't wasted. And. I don't know what that I just don't. There's there's very little good that comes from that. I don't know. And like watching specifically Shanice and like how she behaves is such a like troubling problematic
01:00:14
Speaker
like drinking an extra version and like the whole it's just like a lot of attention seeking behavior that makes me really uncomfortable and I don't know it just it gets it's like fun and then you're like oh they're just wild but like it's all it's just like walking this razor's edge between like again it comes down to like the bodily autonomy and um
01:00:39
Speaker
abuse and being taken advantage of or taking advantage of someone else and not like boundaries get so fuzzy when you're that fucked up and it gets so messy. Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it. So the focus on the alcohol in this show, and again, they are slamming shots.
01:01:00
Speaker
in this program. They were very drunk this episode. I feel like this was... They were very drunk. Yeah. The girls were, I mean, that fall down jump on each other, peeing outside drunk is pretty specific. Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see where it goes from here. It was very distasteful to me the whole thing. That's an interesting thought. I remember when I worked in higher ed, I did a lot with like,
01:01:28
Speaker
substance abuse and alcohol and essentially thinking about many people will discover that they have a problem with alcohol in college.
01:01:38
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and don't realize that ever or later on in life. And I think about people who are so different, sober when they are drunk. And I'm not making any assertions about anyone on this show. But I think there's something really interesting of like, Shanice is kind of anxious and all over the place and not sure what to do as a sober person. Got the spa when Jasmine was like, and you need to go talk to Alex. And she's like,
01:02:03
Speaker
shaking about it. And it's like, okay, you shouldn't have had to do that. But yeah, yeah, she didn't have to do that. But just weird how she is more confident and elevated personality wise when she's intoxicated. It's just interesting. Most people are Yeah, I think that um,
01:02:23
Speaker
I hear you about things, you know, it being messy and all of that.
Shanice's Chaotic Behavior
01:02:28
Speaker
Her personality does suggest that she would do that. She doesn't think Shanice doesn't think that anything that she's doing is wrong. This is how she's lived her life.
01:02:39
Speaker
And I believe that everyone has grown past that era. They're growing in different speeds. Jasmine in her marriage and Jordan in her celibacy. Everyone's growing, even Bria in her relationship, people are growing in different speeds, but they kind of, it seems they all started where Shanice still is. And so I think that it makes it look even more heightened because of where they are versus where she is today. Yeah. I see that.
01:03:09
Speaker
But yeah, the drinking, I think for me, I don't know, I didn't start drinking until I was 21 on the dot. Like, I watched everyone get wasted and stuff in high school and in college. And I was like, you know what, whenever the law says it's time for me, I think I will. And I remember on my 21st birthday, I took three sips of a margarita and was running up and down a hallway. And I was like,
01:03:38
Speaker
so fun. And I remember it was a party my parents for for me and my dad physically picked me up and was like, calm down. But ever since then, it's just I'm a very moderate person. And so I mean, I've had my moments for sure. But I think, you know, self discipline shows up in everything that we do. And you know, drinking is no exception. And when we think about the things that Shanice is being accused of,
01:04:07
Speaker
with her ex, then that's just a self-discipline issue in general for me regarding her. Yeah, she does not seem like a moderator, does not seem like a moderate person. And again, even knowing like the stalker stuff is, you know, probably half garbage.
01:04:29
Speaker
She does not seem like a safe person to me. You know what I mean? If I was in that house with that behavior and her energy in general, I think at best I would try to avoid her. And at worst, I would be like, I don't want to be here. Yeah, I don't want to be here. I'm afraid of her. You make me deeply uncomfortable.
01:04:47
Speaker
And not because I'm like scared you're gonna do something to me, but I messy people, boundary list people. I don't, I don't know. I'm also like, I've done a lot of fucking work to be, to be like living in a house with somebody like that. Like no, you know, you're on your journey, but you're not about to take me back on mine, so. Yeah, boundaries, boundaries, yeah. I wonder what Jasmine's going to say next week, because the cliffhanger is her being like,
01:05:16
Speaker
This is just not acceptable. So I wonder. Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if she's hit her limit because I want to make it because it's not about the boobies. Like that's the thing. The fact that they're going to hate on her for the booby bound. I was just I think. Yeah, that's not what it is. Yeah, that's not what it is. You said this last week, you were like, I feel like Shanice doesn't even belong in the house anymore. She really does have just like a different approach to the house and everybody else.
01:05:43
Speaker
does. Yeah, she's on the wrong show. The first episode, they were talking about black excellence and what it means to be black in America. And you know what I mean? Like, it's just, she's more bh1 vibes, you know? Um, I just like, I'll be a villain. Yeah. She would have to make it to have to handle
01:06:03
Speaker
Yeah. But I also want to judge a person like her. I enjoy a great skinny dip. I've hiked to make it. I love doing that. The nudity is not it. The nudity is not the problem. Yeah. I'm very free spirit in that way. Yeah. So I know they're going to judge her on that. I also think that Brea is doing too much. She's acting as if Shanice was completely targeting her man. Her man, when everybody from the house was in
01:06:29
Speaker
the jacuzzi and if you go back and take a look, no one was even bothered. They're listening to music, they're drinking, they're talking to each other. No one even said anything until Bria made a fuss about it. Girl, girl, look in the mirror. What you worried about with Shanice? Get out of town. Like Bria. Shanice is cute. She's cute. She's not Bria. You think Simon is what going to leave you for Shanice?
01:06:56
Speaker
Come on. I don't know. I think all the girls are just so beautiful. I mean, anybody. I don't think Bria has to worry about anything. I feel like anything is just loyal to her. Like Bria is it for Simon. Sure. I can see that. I can see that. I'm so perplexed by just like the inner.
01:07:17
Speaker
relationship of everyone in this house because they don't really seem like friends. I want to say this. There's no assertion of each of these people and their person, but just like, what? This is the edit you got. And do you actually know and care about these people? Because sometimes it seems like you're not friends, which is fine, which is fine. You don't have to be. But you're just making decisions for yourself, which is fine, but you're just not friends. Nope.
01:07:43
Speaker
Nope. They are coexisting coexist bumper sticker. It's fine. Let's sum it up. Let's sum it up with the villains and heroes update. All right. I will go first hero Preston just because he put his foot down on those stupid meetings. It's about time. And then the villain, of course, is Silas. I think that's been very clear through my audits. Fred, you want to go?
01:08:11
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. So the villain is, sorry, hero. I did say it's got to be Preston. I also think it's Jordan. I continue to think Jordan is a class act. She's an equestrian. She's a fencer. She was the fourth black playwright of the year. You think she's a hero? I think she's consistent. I think she's consistent. I think she's flirting with Amir.
01:08:36
Speaker
walks in her truce. I don't care. She can flirt. Completely disagree. I can't stand her. Maybe we should talk more about this next week. Oh, I love her. We'll have to unpack it next time. I was not going to put that much in it, but okay. But I gave Preston first. Preston first. And the villain, it's got to be Silas, but y'all, it is not not Bria, is all I'm saying. It's definitely Silas. Oh my God. But it's not not Bria.
01:08:58
Speaker
in a slash this week. All right. Oh, and I did have one more random note and then move on to your heroes and villains. I hate I hate when we talk about males and females, y'all. OK, we say there are males at the bar, like just still have to do this next week because I have a read about this. It's just so, you know, it's so stale. It's just, you know, it's such an egg. Like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tell on yourself by saying it.
01:09:26
Speaker
All right, Kela. Yeah, exactly.
Heroes and Villains in the House
01:09:28
Speaker
Okay. My hero for the week is, okay, I have two, Preston for being the voice of reason and Simon for also being the voice of reason, because I think if Simon and Bria didn't go upstairs, I think if Simon were not there, I think Bria would have acted more explosively with everything that has been happening.
01:09:48
Speaker
And then my villain is every man in the house except for Preston and Simon. Every single one of you embarrass yourself this week. It's in Milo. Milo shit. So he's part of it too. I know it happens, but that's embarrassing. He's a victim for not being taken out often enough. How dare you? You're right. I'll take him off. Everyone else, you're on the list. So gross. Yeah.
01:10:14
Speaker
It's still gross. All right, all men, all men everywhere. None of you did a podcast of your own. Yes, not the end. All right, I'll take you out of here. It's you. Well, maybe. I mean, you can all come in the show. Come defend yourself. Yeah. All right, everybody.
Episode Length Discussion
01:10:35
Speaker
Thank you so much. This is like, I feel like this is our longest episode ever.
01:10:40
Speaker
I don't think so. I do not think so. I think we've had long. Jasmine thinks of it because she's not here for half of us. So is that what it is? The women in STEM have been. I've gotten through this. I even threatened to quit behind my issues. I'm here. All right. Jasmine. Hero, perseverance. I'm here. Perseverance. Perseverance. Thank you for your courage.
01:11:09
Speaker
Thank you so much. Thank you for applauding that. So everyone, thank you for listening. If you got this far, we're very passionate about this episode, apparently. And it's funny because at first we're like, oh, everyone's like, oh, I don't have that many notes, please. Thank you for listening.
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Speaker
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