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Episode 32 - Don't let LIMITATIONS stifle your CREATIVITY! (w/ guitar luthier Daisy Tempest)
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We ALL FACE LIMITATIONS IN OUR LIVES: Limitations based on form and function (how DIFFERENT can a guitar or violin actually be without sacrificing sound quality or playability?), limitations of materials (there's only SO MUCH of a specific figured wood or rare veneer), and limitations of economy (we can only spend so much time or money on a piece while making a living!). So HOW DO WE STAY and FEEL CREATIVE WITHIN THESE LIMITATIONS ???
Today we have a wonderful talk on this topic with DAISY TEMPEST, guitar luthier, on how she finds opportunities for CREATIVITY within arguably one of the most traditional fields in the world, ACOUSTIC GUITAR MAKING.
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Overview
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Welcome, come one, come all, to another episode of your favorite podcast. This is Woodworking is Bullshit. I'm your host, Paul Jasper, scientist by day, woodworker by night, and I have my favorite co-host in the chair, Eric Curtis, fine furniture maker and content creator.
00:00:35
Yeet$
Woo!
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, folks, today we have another guest. very excited about this guest because we think this guest, and Eric, I'll let you introduce the guest in a second. This guest we think can speak to today's topic, all right?
The Impact of Limitations on Creativity
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And I'll start with the topic and then we can talk about why we think the guest is so appropriate for this topic. So today's topic is creativity within limitations. And let me say why we think that's a good topic because
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Every maker, whether you're a woodworker, a painter, a ceramic artist, a musician, whatever you happen to be, has limitations put on you. Limitations of time, limitations on form, limitations on budget, right? And some yeah some of us could see those limitations say, oh, that really hurts my creativity. Like I want to be just way more creative than that.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And that that's actually hampering my ability to like create. And another person might say, you know what? Those confines actually help me with limitations. Because if you look at a blank piece of paper, it's too like the ah the the possibilities are truly endless when you're looking at a white sheet of paper. And that's very intimidating. And like where do I start?
Guest Introduction: Daisy Tempest
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So we think to have a... a talk about ah creativity within limitations is a great topic and totally applicable to almost every type of artist. And today, Eric, our artist today has learned to craft within limitations, that's for sure.
00:02:14
Yeet$
I mean, they're they're one of my favorite Brits, I think, ah you know, when I first stumbled upon their work, they clearly know what they're doing in the crafts. And then I saw their videos and I was like,
00:02:31
Yeet$
I hate it when somebody is like, we're on the same level from the craft perspective, but they're so much better than me from like a content creation perspective. That really irritates me quite a bit. And she's just so goddamn charming. And then I've had the pleasure of spending time with her in person a couple of times now. And like even better in real life, just the quirkiness, the weirdness, the hilarious.
00:02:55
Yeet$
It's it's, it's coming up daisies. And so our friend today is of course Daisy tempest.
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Daisy
ah
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Daisy
Oh, that was a hell of an intro.
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Yeet$
How you doing, buddy?
00:03:06
Daisy
I'm really good. I'm really good. I hope I'm not too quirky and weird, ah but you seem to like it, so that's good.
00:03:11
Yeet$
I mean, but that's your charm right there. Yeah, that's the charm. Okay, all right, listen, listen, all all the bullshit aside, all the accolades aside, first things first, ah you broke your cockicks?
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Daisy
I think the way he says that is so good.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Eric, that's a hell of a start.
00:03:27
Yeet$
That's an accusation.
00:03:29
Daisy
Look, I have not had a confirmation or, you know, ah I've not, I cannot confirm that I've broken my coccyx. However, after doing some research on chat GPT, I think I can safely say it is very likely that that is what I've done.
00:03:45
Yeet$
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We have to hear why.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What? What the F?
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Yeet$
But also, also, did you just say you were doing medical research on chat GPT?
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Daisy
Okay, so.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
She did.
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Daisy
Oh, yeah, it's the best.
00:03:56
Yeet$
What the fuck is happening anymore?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
She did.
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Daisy
It is the best way. I'm so sorry, Paul, but it is it is an excellent place to start.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
A hundred percent.
00:04:02
Daisy
I just I say to it. I'm just like, because with chat GPT, I'm into it because my boyfriend's into it. And he talks to it like a friend, but a friend that he treats really badly. So he'll he'll say some really quite like brutal things like you did a really bad job of that.
00:04:19
Daisy
And then the chat GPT will just like, apologized and there's no accountability from the chat team. Anyway, I was outraged. but I was like, red flags everywhere.
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Daisy
Like, this is, you know, how someone says when you meet a man, look at how they treat their mum. I'm just like, look at how they chat their robot, how they treat their robot.
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Yeet$
Look at how you chat, wow.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Mmm, mmm, mmm.
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Daisy
um Anyway, moving on, then I became a obsessed with it. And now I treat mine quite badly too. So I don't know what that says about
Daisy's Personal Journey and Anecdotes
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Daisy
me.
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Yeet$
I feel like that's more just the British way than anything else.
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Daisy
Possibly. Well, he's Australian, um so...
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Yeet$
Ah, okay, all right, all right, so let's start at square one.
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Daisy
Sorry, I- This I'm in bed, I'm so sorry.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ah Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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Yeet$
There's so many things happening right now.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What the what the fuck? like First of all, let's just start web by saying, what the fuck? okay like we're We're talking about like creativity and limitations and and daisy. And then we're right on a broken coccyx.
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Yeet$
Well, Daisy's hold up in bed right now. So she looks like either she's in a hospital or she's just narcoleptic. So I wanted to clarify for folks watching that.
00:05:14
Daisy
ridiculous.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
OK.
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Daisy
Thank you. Basically, yeah, well, yeah, so this this whole, everything is covered by one story. So first of all, ah I have Tourette syndrome, right?
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Daisy
So it's the, you know, the the swearing the swearing condition. i don't That actually is called coprolalia or something. That is a different part of Tourette's.
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Daisy
like I don't swear. My dad does. My dad's got it very severely. But I manifest by hopping. like I just ah just hop everywhere. It's so weird.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
he
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Yeet$
Dude, honestly, the first time the first time we ever met, we were going into the shop and we get in the elevator and she just starts hopping on one leg.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What?
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Yeet$
And I was like, okay, that's a vibe, i I guess. And then she kept doing it down the hall. And then she was like, oh, I have Tourette's. And I was like, oh, okay. All right, I just thought you liked to hop.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Eric, did you did you follow suit and start hopping too?
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Yeet$
yeah
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Daisy
i I wish that Eric followed you, but it ah keeps it keeps one's physique in good shape, I will say.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I guess this is what we're doing.
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Yeet$
That's fair.
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Daisy
um But so anyway, I was, ah normally I'm, honestly, I'm very gifted at not hurting myself after doing all this hopping.
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Yeet$
Mm.
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Daisy
ah However, this morning, I was not so fortunate and I did hop on a towel. and it slid from underneath and I fell straight on my ass and um that is when the offending suspected break happened because I have not been able to ah be free of pain ah since that happened.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
oh
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh no.
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Yeet$
I'm almost a little disappointed because I had the mental image like I was texting you I had the mental image of you like a fainting goat like the Tourette's just hit and you just like collapsed backwards.
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Daisy
So I do have one tick that kind of is like that, like it used to be a lot worse, but I'll be mid sentence and then the tick will come in and I'll just be like, and then I'll do like my boyfriend calls it Dracula hands.
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Daisy
Like, so I'll start like this and then I'll do this. So it's just like, um that's kind of fainting goatee, I think.
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Yeet$
It's amazing.
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Yeet$
ah it ah I love that you're just like, ah, like rawr.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Wait, Daisy!
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Daisy
ah storywood It happens when I'm driving.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Blah! Blah!
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Daisy
like i'll just like I'll just take my hands on the wheel and my boyfriend's like, Put your hands back on the wheel, Dracula.
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Yeet$
Oh, that's a good time to do it.
00:07:35
Yeet$
Oh, that's amazing.
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Daisy
so um
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh my god. this is it Does it get worse when you drink?
00:07:39
Yeet$
Okay. All right.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Because I want to have, out let's have some drinks and do Dracula hands together.
00:07:43
Daisy
Oh my god. Oh God, I actually, weirdly, I think it does get a bit worse when I have a drink, like definitely the hopping, but it's because when I hop, it's because I'm excited or stressed, or like feeling some strong emotion, it just brings it out.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's amazing.
00:07:58
Daisy
So at the moment, I am relocating to Australia, as I said, so there's stuff all over my flat and the towel, the offending towel was just in the way it it was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Daisy
And yeah, because I'm because I'm so stressed with the not stressed with the mood, but I'm i'm organizing a lot.
00:08:12
Yeet$
Oh, man.
00:08:18
Daisy
I'm trying to cram in seeing friends last minute before I go and that kind of thing as well.
00:08:18
Yeet$
Yeah.
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Daisy
So I guess it just got a bit out of hand this morning.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And
00:08:25
Yeet$
All right, all right. So let's, let's put a cliffhanger right there, because I do I like as your friend, I haven't heard the whole story.
00:08:26
Daisy
Yeah.
00:08:32
Yeet$
And the reason why you're moving to Australia, I know it's for a boy, which we're gonna have a real stern conversation about that. But but
00:08:40
Daisy
Ahaha!
00:08:41
Yeet$
Uh, here's, here's what I'll say.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
after after show,
00:08:43
Yeet$
Ooh, that could be a good after show seg. Um, I, I want to hear the story front to back, uh, you know, with, with some brevity, uh, about how you became a luthier.
00:08:55
Yeet$
And then like that can lead us up to the point of, uh, and now I'm moving to Australia to be a bad bitch over on a new continent.
00:08:58
Daisy
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:09:03
Yeet$
Yes, Paul.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
can i Before Daisy starts her story, can I say, because we didn't say this yet, Daisy is an exceptionally fine guitar maker, okay?
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We hadn't said that.
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Yeet$
Hmm.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We we we just said her name's Daisy and she's got Tourette's and she broke her ass.
00:09:21
Yeet$
I was, I was, that was, it was such a long pause after fine. I didn't know where you were going to go with that.
00:09:27
Daisy
Yeah, me neither.
00:09:27
Yeet$
So I was glad you hit guitar maker.
00:09:27
Daisy
I was like, what what am I? ah
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, no. So you know, and Daisy is going to tell us all about like how she
Crafting Unique Guitars and Storytelling
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
got into it. But um absolutely, the finest guitars made literally from scratch, the ground up every bit, which is impressive as hell.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So Daisy, how did.
00:09:46
Yeet$
No, she is. She's, she's, she's brilliant. Just for folks who don't know, like the, my thing when I follow people on the internet is like, you can be good at content. And like, that's cool.
00:09:58
Yeet$
Like I'll watch you do a thing, but I'm not going to like reach out and try to be friends with you. I immediately DM to Daisy and I was like, can we, can we be friends please? Because you like your level of craft is phenomenal.
00:10:10
Yeet$
Um, and then the storytelling aspect along with the content is just fun.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Phenomenal.
00:10:15
Daisy
Oh mate, you're being so nice.
00:10:15
Yeet$
So.
00:10:16
Yeet$
That said, your qualifications put there. How how did you become a bad bitch?
00:10:22
Daisy
Okay, so um one is born, not made. I'm just kidding. um
00:10:27
Yeet$
it's not One does not become a bad bitch. It's just innate in them.
00:10:31
Daisy
one arrives as a bad bitch. Um, no, so I, I come from a very creative family, I guess. So for me, that was kind of the normal thing. My mom is like very creative lady to the point where she is quite mad, um, in a good way, but she is like a bit unhinged with her creativity. Like she's, it wakes up, creates, goes to sleep. Like it's,
00:10:57
Daisy
relentless. um She's actually a cartoonist by trade and also a sculptor so she's like creative like cartoonists are I always think some of the most creative people because you've got to come up with a different idea every day and not only have you got to do that but you have to make it funny which you know again going back to chat gpt that we were talking about earlier like you you tell a chat gpt
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Wow.
00:11:21
Daisy
to do something that people will find funny and they they can't do it. It's like such a skill. So anyway, I grew up watching her be really good at her job and um my dad was a musician. So I had, or is a musician, he's not dad. So um he he was doing a lot of music stuff around then. I was like, the one thing I was actually quite good at as a kid was playing the piano and picking up musical instruments. And I just always had a bit of a,
00:11:49
Daisy
away with them so I would just do I would do that and that's obviously a form of creativity in itself I used to compose and make up things and I used to love that and and the thing about music as well is that um unlike woodworking or any kind of form of physical art. you can like Part of the experience is is the process of actually playing it. It's like you don't have a finished thing at the end. You can have a song but the the joy in creating is as it happens. I just suppose it's like with anything but with woodworking I do find
00:12:23
Daisy
a lot of satisfaction seeing the end product. And I'm quite sick of that sick of it when it um when it's done. And it's I guess it is about the process, but yeah, it's sort of with music, it's it's not permanent. you can You can change it and it won't affect what you've already made and that kind of thing. So I love that. and And so that's what I was naturally very good at. And so when I decided to take up woodworking, which happened because I I can't sit still the best of times, like having Tourette's obviously doesn't help with that, but I was i did an English literature degree and it became very apparent that I wasn't interested. um All my friends would go to the library and sitting down and I i started making dresses.
00:13:06
Daisy
and sold a couple of those. And I just like loved using my hands and I was like, all right, let's give this a go. I i went went to what I call a film set making costumes. And then I was using like natural materials. So like we were making dresses out of ah Canadian maple leaves actually, that were imported in. And yeah, I just ah absolutely loved it. And I kind of just decided that I wanted to do woodwork because I was trying to figure out how I could do something music related as well.
00:13:37
Daisy
And then I was like, why don't I be a guitar maker?
00:13:38
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Ahhh.
00:13:41
Daisy
And I literally came up with the idea just completely randomly. I was like, I bet they're guitar makers. Oh, actually, no, sorry. I said I initially wanted to be a piano maker because I played the piano.
00:13:47
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:13:51
Daisy
um And I looked up.
00:13:51
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:13:54
Daisy
uh, I looked at Steinway and I was like, I can't bring anything to this. Like they have what I would want to do as a brand. And it just, I couldn't see a guitar company that had anything similar.
00:14:06
Daisy
And I was like, I bet that I could do that. And also guitars are smaller. I can see, you know, that working.
00:14:12
Yeet$
Wait, so so I mean, first of all, I think anybody who has musicality or music experience and then gets into woodworking, kind like I had the same dream of like, I want to make a piano one day.
00:14:26
Yeet$
Um, so I feel like that's a common dream, but it sounds like what you're saying is you saw Steinway succeeding in the industry and thought, well, I can't do any better than that, but I don't see anybody making guitars at that level. So what was it that you saw in Steinway that you saw was lacking in the guitar world?
Navigating a Male-Dominated Field
00:14:47
Daisy
Um, well, I just never heard of like fancy guitars. i I didn't know that you, I mean, there's Martin and Gibson and then like Fender, and then I couldn't think of any, anyone else.
00:14:56
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:14:58
Daisy
And none of them was sexy anymore. Like that they're not particularly, sorry, everyone at Martin, um all these companies, but I just, it wasn't, there wasn't anything that had kind of, there was a sexy, like ah a girl like me walked into a,
00:15:17
Daisy
you know, guitar shop, i I wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, no, I'll get this brand. Like, ah there just wasn't anything that was also particularly what I would consider to be like, very smart or very, um like, what somebody with a lot of money would buy for their living room.
00:15:32
Daisy
Like, there wasn't, and with a Steinway, you buy a Steinway.
00:15:33
Yeet$
It wasn't a statement piece, yeah.
00:15:36
Daisy
Yeah. And I just thought, that's kind of what I want to do. Like, I kind of want to, and um I feel like, being British, I have this instilled kind of sense of, I like the idea of creating a brand that is quite smart and British and like a bit up itself, but like, hopefully not too up itself, but you know what I mean?
00:15:58
Daisy
Like a little bit, you know, posh, I guess. So I kind of thought that was a good idea.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:16:02
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:16:03
Daisy
And I think I'm good at that.
00:16:04
Yeet$
That's the Londoner in you. I feel like there's a lot of countryside English folk who might not feel that same way.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm. Hmm.
00:16:09
Daisy
Oh, maybe, maybe you're so right. um
00:16:13
Yeet$
Okay.
00:16:13
Daisy
So yeah, i think I think that's why I decided to do it. and I've always been a very, again, like I think I got this from my parents, but I've always like um' always been taught that failure is not a bad thing, um which I really credit my parents with because um I wasn't afraid of failure.
00:16:28
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:16:33
Daisy
I thought I'd try it, and then if I liked it, I'd stick with it, or at least I had to stick with it. And then if I failed, that's, that's fine. I probably would, I was like, I probably will fail.
00:16:44
Daisy
It's a bit random. um And it's going to be hard work. I didn't realize it was going to be quite so hard to learn how to make guitars.
00:16:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
yeah
00:16:52
Yeet$
Well, it's learning how to make a guitar and then building a brand in a successful business are two different things.
00:16:52
Daisy
um
00:16:58
Yeet$
Right. So, so you, you went in, uh, had an apprenticeship. Yeah.
00:17:04
Daisy
Yes.
00:17:04
Yeet$
And learned how to make, like learned the actual craft that way. Um,
00:17:08
Daisy
Yes, I went to, a ah I went and had a furniture, a one-on-one furniture course. um And then I basically, that was like a really short course. It was only a week or something. And then, because obviously training in furniture is expensive, so I could only do a week. And then after that, I offered to to work for free. And then I just worked as a waitress in the evenings. um And that person took me on and I was there for about ah three, maybe three years, something like that. And then I.
00:17:37
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Wow.
00:17:38
Daisy
I bailed because it was getting a bit problematic in terms of my expectations versus his expectations um and I felt a little bit
00:17:43
Yeet$
Hmm. Yeah.
00:17:52
Daisy
you know, as a lot of people experience in apprenticeships, I felt a little bit um used, I suppose. And he didn't want me to leave because, you know, it was a really sweet deal.
00:18:03
Daisy
And he was getting a lot more business because he basically put me in charge of marketing and wasn't teaching me how to make guitars anymore. Because that was how he was getting more business. And, you know, so I was just like, see you later.
00:18:17
Yeet$
Yeah.
00:18:17
Daisy
And then um He, yeah, I threw my work with him. Another guitar maker had seen me work with him was just like, hey, I think you're good at this marketing thing. I will actually teach you how to make guitars um if you'll help me out with marketing like one day a week and then I'll actually like teach you properly.
00:18:33
Daisy
And I was like, yeah, hell yeah. And then that was an amazing experience. Her name's Rosie.
00:18:37
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, that's good.
00:18:38
Daisy
um she's She makes guitars here in the UK and she's amazing. Like she was really good for me and she kind of built back
00:18:45
Yeet$
And how how long were you over there?
00:18:49
Daisy
A year, something like that, not very long.
00:18:51
Yeet$
Okay.
00:18:52
Daisy
Yeah.
00:18:53
Yeet$
Okay.
00:18:53
Daisy
And then, um and then from then on, I obviously still had a lot more learning to do, I felt.
Creativity vs. Tradition in Crafting
00:18:58
Daisy
ah So I kind of, I won an award, which got me free studio space in London for a year, which was amazing.
00:19:04
Yeet$
Fucking amazing.
00:19:06
Daisy
It was, and I kind of just, I had this client who bought a guitar out front, um like it, to be made at a later date. But he was like, go get yourself set up, here's some money for machines.
00:19:16
Yeet$
Mm.
00:19:18
Daisy
Just make me the guitar when you when you're ready. It was amazing.
00:19:20
Yeet$
Mm.
00:19:20
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Wow.
00:19:21
Daisy
So I went and set myself up with that. I took a few more deposits and then just basically train myself. um Just making a bunch of mistakes that I couldn't have made when a mentor is there because I think that's important when
00:19:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:19:34
Daisy
when you're on your own for the first time, it's the little things that you don't realise that you depended on your mentor for.
00:19:38
Yeet$
Mm-hmm.
00:19:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
yeah
00:19:41
Yeet$
Mm-hmm.
00:19:41
Daisy
So I made so many mistakes, I learned a lot and then I started building through my order books, so yeah. And social media helped with that, yeah.
00:19:48
Yeet$
That's...
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ah so So just curiosity, are you a guitar player as well as a piano player?
00:19:55
Daisy
Um, I can play guitar, but I wouldn't call myself a guitar player, you know?
00:20:00
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay, okay.
00:20:01
Daisy
Like, I think about, it might be because of the industry I'm in, everyone's just on another level. So I do see that as like, that's a guitar player.
00:20:07
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay.
00:20:08
Daisy
So yeah, sure. I can play chords and I can finger pick and that kind of thing.
00:20:09
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. I see, I see, okay.
00:20:12
Daisy
Yeah, but yeah, he's a mate.
00:20:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
um you know I just thought of that because last night I went to see, I guess, one of the finest acoustic guitar players in the world, Mike Dawes. I saw him last, I saw him, oh, you know, you're friends with him?
00:20:23
Yeet$
you You fucking know everybody.
00:20:24
Daisy
Yay! It's my mate!
00:20:26
Yeet$
like You could bring up the most random people, and she's like, oh yeah, we grew up together.
00:20:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
i he yeah Well, he apparently was voted the finest acoustic guitar player in the world two years in a row.
00:20:35
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And I saw him last night, and he was in my town in Massachusetts.
00:20:35
Yeet$
That's wild.
00:20:39
Daisy
Aww, amazing.
00:20:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And ah and holy shit, I didn't know,
00:20:42
Yeet$
Was he playing a tempest guitar or what?
00:20:44
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
i don't I don't know.
00:20:44
Yeet$
Are we going to have to have a talking to with this motherfucker?
00:20:45
Daisy
It's ah so
00:20:45
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I don't know. But I just didn't even know a guitar could be used in so many creative ways. But anyway, that's not here nor there. So when when you got into guitar making, and actually, you know, I think about you, you know, your bit you're obviously a young a woman in a much more traditional, like, probably male dominated field.
00:21:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And not only that it's male dominated, but a very traditional field, right? And being young, I think often has ah challenges getting into a very traditional field. Did you feel like breaking into that field was particularly difficult because it it was so traditional and so embedded?
00:21:24
Daisy
Yeah, I mean, the one thing that I don't want to be negative, but I think in my first apprenticeship, the thing that made me so I guess if there was any anger left, it might be a because of this, but I wasn't allowed to be excited by anything. and And if I was, I would be shamed.
00:21:44
Daisy
um So like, when I started, I think there was a moment where he was putting up a ah shelf, right, objectively, like not that impressive.
00:21:50
Yeet$
Hmm. Hmm.
00:21:55
Daisy
But to me, it was so emotional. I was like, Oh my God, I i can put up shelves. Like maybe maybe I can put up shelves, you know, because especially as a young woman, we're sort of told that we can't do things like handyman stuff, handyman in the name, you know, it excludes us.
00:22:08
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Right.
00:22:12
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Right. It's already sexist. Yeah.
00:22:14
Daisy
um So, you know, after that he was just like, you you know, I can't possibly take you seriously, ah you know, if you get excited about, you know, a shelf, which, you know, probably fair enough, like, you you know,
00:22:29
Daisy
I say fair enough.
00:22:29
Yeet$
Fair enough, though.
00:22:30
Daisy
I don't think it's good, but yeah.
00:22:30
Yeet$
like What the fuck is that?
00:22:31
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No, that's not fair.
00:22:32
Yeet$
Yeah.
00:22:32
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's not fair enough at all. Like the joy of that first discovery, whether it's putting up a shelf or cutting your first dovetail or whatever, the joy of discovery is not something to take away from someone.
00:22:33
Yeet$
Yeah.
00:22:42
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
it
00:22:42
Yeet$
Yeah.
00:22:42
Daisy
Yeah, I think it's.
00:22:42
Yeet$
And why take on apprentices and students if you're not going to like take and part of that joy with them?
00:22:46
Daisy
Yeah.
00:22:48
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, you wanna feel that joy with, share in that joy with them, however you know insignificant or naive you might think it is based on your fucking cynical ass self.
00:22:48
Daisy
Yeah. You're so right.
00:22:58
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I think it's awesome to to see that level of excitement.
00:23:01
Daisy
Yeah, I agree, and luckily I did. Woo, I'm gonna move, we'll see what that happens.
00:23:05
Yeet$
Oh, oh, how's the ass bone?
00:23:06
Daisy
what There we go, the ass is fine. Excellent. Well cushioned, don't worry.
00:23:12
Yeet$
That's it, can we can we clip that sound bite and we can use that in later episodes?
00:23:12
Daisy
Yeah, no.
00:23:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. She just said she had a fine ass, which is a little like, it's a little self-promoting if I'm being honest.
00:23:17
Yeet$
The ass is fine.
00:23:21
Yeet$
We're gonna build a sound board.
00:23:23
Daisy
Oh my god, you guys.
00:23:25
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
My ass is so fine.
00:23:26
Daisy
You got dirt on me now.
00:23:30
Daisy
Oh my god. Um, but yeah, no, so I think like, there's almost a level of like, you know, to be young and to be a cross person, I just noticed in him, and I've noticed it in other people as well, perhaps not as firsthand, but it's like, there's almost some kind of weird thing about older craftspeople who've been doing it for years where they're just like, oh, you don't know anything, this is an impressive, like, look, you know, which, you you know, I think can be used in a positive way, just like if you use it the right way.
00:23:56
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
right
00:24:02
Daisy
But that was the biggest thing that I was just so like, these people weren't amazed by anything anymore. um which made me very sad and it's something that I've never lost because i I still learn things every day.
00:24:16
Daisy
And I think if I ever lose that it will be, maybe I'll become, you know, wise.
00:24:16
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Right.
00:24:17
Yeet$
Right.
00:24:22
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So.
00:24:22
Yeet$
what's What's the point of doing anything if if you're just going to be old and crotchety and not excited about anything?
00:24:23
Daisy
Well, no, I don't.
00:24:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, yeah passion passion and excitement about to craft and art is infectious.
00:24:33
Yeet$
Mm-hmm.
00:24:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And you want to be around people who make you feel excited. right so So Daisy, it sounds like, and I expected this to be the answer, like there's kind of an old boys club or an old you know old club that sort of is gatekeeping on these more traditional art forms.
00:24:37
Daisy
Yeah, for sure.
00:24:49
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
How do you break into that? and and make yourself like a presence and get accepted as a fine luthier among such a gatekeeping with so much inertia and stagnation.
00:25:01
Daisy
Yeah, I don't think I am accepted. I will say that.
00:25:04
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:25:04
Daisy
I think there's a lot of um people out there who wouldn't say that I'm a luthier, which isn't interesting.
00:25:09
Yeet$
Interesting. What, what would they call you?
00:25:11
Daisy
Well, just um a content creator or an influencer.
00:25:14
Daisy
I get that a lot.
00:25:14
Yeet$
Yeah, there it is.
00:25:16
Daisy
um And I'm like, yeah right and it's like but you have to in order to influence the thing that you're doing you have to get good at it right like to to some extent at least like i built a guitar that definition is aloofia so there's a lot of that and that will always happen and i just kind of just let them yap like i don't care um because i know that that i'm good at my job and that to me is the most important thing
00:25:16
Yeet$
I get that a lot too.
00:25:19
Yeet$
Yeah.
00:25:24
Yeet$
Mm hmm.
00:25:42
Daisy
If there was a period where I didn't feel good at my job because I wasn't yet, and like, I don't, you know, I'll continue to get better at my job. But I think that was a really hard time because that was, that was difficult to not feel accepted when i saw that stuff online um but to be honest because i know i'm good i don't it doesn't really affect me um and i don't you know i don't really need them for any reason like that their colleagues and some the ones that matter don't like they're great the ones the colleagues that i like my old mentor rosie she's great i've got friends like you guys who are in a slightly different field like i don't need to seek acceptance from people who
00:26:08
Yeet$
That's interesting because I like I.
00:26:19
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:26:30
Daisy
are just for whatever reason not accepting me, you know?
00:26:35
Yeet$
Yeah, that's, it is interesting to hear that, that, that, I mean, unsurprisingly, that that mentality spans into the more traditional craft forms, like, you know, being a luthier and whatnot. I've, I've faced in, this is a conversation, Larissa and I have had, you know, and an endless number of times, but I feel the exact same way. It's the, the furniture community that I, that I hold so dear that I love. And so many of them are just like, well, he's just a content creator.
00:27:02
Daisy
It's so annoying.
00:27:03
Yeet$
and it's in And what's interesting to me, though, is like the the world of content creation in the community in this space is so welcoming. like Anybody can come be a part of it. There's like there's so little gatekeeping. um And then the only two people who are gatekeeping in the furniture world, and it sounds like what you've said is similar in the guitar making world,
00:27:27
Yeet$
are either the people who are super successful in like the gallery spaces who don't want other people encroaching on their work, or people who haven't made it and are struggling artists and are bitter at content creators for finding a way to make a living making things.
00:27:33
Daisy
Hmm.
00:27:40
Daisy
Hmm. You're so right.
00:27:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, i think there I think the reason that there's this bias against not taking content creators seriously is because there's a lot of them who are not excellent at what they do.
00:27:54
Daisy
Hmm.
00:27:55
Yeet$
Well, sure, sure.
00:27:56
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
They're excellent at making videos and being provocative and thumbnailing, but they're not great at what they do. You two are an absolute exception.
00:28:07
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
But um there's a lot of shit content creators
00:28:10
Yeet$
But I mean, that's that's also true in the craft world, in the museum world, in the gallery world.
00:28:13
Daisy
Yeah, that's true.
00:28:14
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, it's it's true, but it's no, no, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:28:15
Yeet$
like It exists everywhere. The world is about connections. It's not about how how good you make shit.
00:28:21
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No, no, the gallery is select. There's a, there's a, there's, it's a selected.
00:28:25
Yeet$
ah The gallery is a political entity wherein the people who know the right people can get into that gallery regardless of how good their work is.
00:28:28
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It is, but it's it's it's a selected. That may be true, that may be true, but the contents are highly selected, whereas anyone can have a YouTube channel,
Science, Innovation, and Tradition in Crafting
00:28:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
anyone.
00:28:39
Yeet$
Sure, sure, that's fair, that's fair.
00:28:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay, I know it's fair.
00:28:42
Yeet$
Yeah.
00:28:42
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's why I said a bitch. Oh, I'm just kidding. I'm just messing. um All right, so.
00:28:48
Daisy
Just watching you two go off at each other just like.
00:28:50
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So know when we we love fucking around. So Daisy, did social media change the game for you then? Was that like your way into to this without the all the gatekeeping and traditional paths?
00:28:57
Daisy
ah
00:29:02
Daisy
No, I mean, it made me, um it was a very deliberate move because I needed to get orders, right? So how do you get orders? is you You do marketing.
00:29:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:29:11
Daisy
um And I couldn't afford to pay to have magazines cover me or whatever.
00:29:11
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
yeah
00:29:15
Daisy
I did get some press coverage that but i'd I've never ever paid for marketing. Like I don't think it's a smart move. um Just, you know, with the resources we have, like on social media and stuff, like I may as well just do it.
00:29:29
Daisy
um So I started doing that and also I just really love it. Like I love sharing my craft.
00:29:33
Yeet$
Yeah, you're a good storyteller.
00:29:35
Daisy
I love what I do.
00:29:36
Yeet$
You really are.
00:29:37
Daisy
It's like part of the creative part of the job that I absolutely love because as per the topic, I do i do feel limited by the tradition of of the craft because, you know, there's only so much you can do to a guitar to make it not a guitar anymore.
00:29:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That is like the best segue into the next part of this. I mean, I couldn't have asked for you to set that up better. So Daisy, please tell us what are you know, this is a very guitar making is a very traditional art form. What are like maybe just set the stage. Is there room for creativity within that? How much it how much room is there and how do you go about trying to add creativity or is it all about the creativity of the storytelling or is it the on the instrument? Can you kind of set the stage for that?
00:30:28
Daisy
Yeah, I mean, I think you nailed it on the head when you said this, this creativity within storytelling is something that I really get a lot of value and pleasure from. So the idea of, you know, even before I learned how to make guitars, I was already planning how I was going to enrich my client's experience more through the story of the instrument.
00:30:45
Yeet$
Mmm.
00:30:48
Daisy
So be that in materials, be that in filming the build, be that in taking photos, it was all something that was almost more important to me than the actual finished instrument because you get good at building guitars and then, you know, your work's not done, but you do have a product you can, you can sell. So how do you distinguish yourself from other craftspeople who can make a guitar, which is as good? Like, to me, it's in the extra stuff that not everyone has thought of or can do or have the, you know, have the marketing skills to do perhaps or
00:31:24
Daisy
the the incentive if they don't want to engage with that. So thought that's kind of what keeps me showing up to work every day as opposed to the actual work, but I do love the actual work as well.
00:31:37
Daisy
um
00:31:37
Yeet$
So it it sounds like, correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds like what you're saying is, look, guitars are limited. Like, ah you know, a guitar has six strings. The the fret is a certain length.
00:31:48
Yeet$
It has a certain body shape. If you're making acoustics, generally speaking.
00:31:51
Daisy
Mm-hmm.
00:31:52
Yeet$
And so there's some leeway in the visuals, but not that much where you're taking the leeway is in the storytelling of the piece itself.
00:32:01
Daisy
Yeah, I'm not massively interested in altering the shape or size of the acoustic guitar and just doing all but doing that for that sake.
00:32:08
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Why? Why?
00:32:12
Daisy
Why am I not? Because it's not, it doesn't interest me.
00:32:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. Why?
00:32:16
Daisy
Because, because I like...
00:32:18
Yeet$
This is what I deal with every fucking episode. It's just why, why?
00:32:22
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Like, yeah, I mean, you say it's with such confidence, but you must have a rationale behind that.
00:32:26
Daisy
Why do I, well, I just don't think that, so I'm i'm not a very scientific person unlike unlike the likes of you. um i I'm not a revolutionist when it comes to like pushing boundaries of materials.
00:32:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:32:38
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Mmm. I see. I see.
00:32:39
Daisy
um It's just not in my wheelhouse. what What I am good at is pushing, I think, yeah, what I am good at is pushing the other elements that I feel more confident with, like the storytelling, like the how to make
00:32:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I get it. Now I get it.
00:32:52
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Totally.
00:32:54
Daisy
You know, so I filmed and an entire build because it was something that I wanted to do, but my client was down for it. And it happened to be like the best performing video that I've done on YouTube.
00:33:06
Daisy
So it's kind of every time I do things that I want to do, I feel like I'm the best at doing them. And therefore they they go down well.
00:33:11
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yes.
00:33:11
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:33:13
Daisy
Right.
00:33:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So Daisy, that that falls under the guise of like inspired work as the best work and you were inspired, right?
00:33:16
Daisy
I think so.
00:33:19
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
To make that video.
00:33:19
Yeet$
Well, it's also like the most natural way that you can do a thing is you're like, listen, i you know what I know what I want to do.
00:33:25
Daisy
Yeah.
00:33:27
Yeet$
And so it's going to be unique because my hand only moves a certain way. My eye sees it a certain way. And if I'm trying to copy somebody else or do something different for the sake of doing something different, it's probably going to be shit. So it like.
00:33:38
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:33:41
Yeet$
Did the marketing like did you develop this storytelling habit? And then social media was a vehicle to tell that story? Or did you see social media as a marketing vehicle and then develop the ability to tell a good story? Because that's how you knew you needed to market your business.
00:34:00
Daisy
It's a good question. I think it was fortuitously something that I wanted to document anyway, because I was, I liked taking photographs, right? So I started photographing what I was learning in the day during my first apprenticeship, and then posting on social media.
00:34:13
Daisy
And why I did that might have been a marketing move. I don't think it was at the time, I think it became one when I saw that it was working, and it was actually tangibly getting me orders.
00:34:24
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:34:24
Daisy
um That then it became like, oh, okay, so I actually you know, this is great that I'm enjoying this, but I should really look at this as like a serious um marketing vehicle here, because, you know, when you get two orders off Instagram, you know, that's, that's a lot of work.
00:34:44
Daisy
um So yeah, yeah.
00:34:45
Yeet$
Yeah? Hmm.
00:34:48
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So for me personally, like I think about and Eric, yeah you know, feel free to give your experience to when I think about a guitar, let's just say the way my brain works, and it's very different.
00:34:58
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And Daisy, this is why I was holding your feet to the fire there. It wasn't to be a decorating. It was just like, I i mean, I mean, I
00:35:03
Daisy
No, no, you're quite quite right to.
00:35:03
Yeet$
It was a little bit to be a dick, don't let them lie.
00:35:06
Daisy
I love it.
00:35:07
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
i'm I'm a little bit of a dick, just naturally speaking. But but no, ah because I feel like there's no wrong question here. like I always like to drill down into like people's thinking. And um for me, the minute I think about creativity with a guitar or creativity in some very traditional form, the first thing I think about is like OK, how do we know that that shape it gives the best resonance?
00:35:30
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Like as a scientist, you don't just accept what you're told.
00:35:32
Daisy
Yeah, you're such a scientist.
00:35:34
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You can't. You can't be a scientist if you just fucking listen to other people, what they tell you, because so much of it's bunk. And so like I would say, how do we know that that shape is the best? Have we studied other shapes?
00:35:44
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I'm sure they have. I know there's some some, you know, But what if we could come up with an entirely new shape? How do they know spruce it gives the best resonance? I know you hold it and you tap it and it resonates, but have we tried like 50, 100 different woods and measured the resonance frequency of maybe more non-traditional woods?
00:36:04
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And could we somehow, you know, turn guitar making, flip it on its head because we're thinking so differently and we can come up with something absolutely game changing.
00:36:16
Yeet$
Okay, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna push back on that before Daisy does, because my question immediately is, does the science fucking matter in an art form like music?
00:36:16
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's kind of where my head's at.
00:36:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, yes.
00:36:27
Yeet$
So music, music, music is an art, it's a vibe, it's a feeling, it's an emotion, right?
00:36:32
Yeet$
And so figuring out all these different like measurements and like what the thickness of this and the like, does it fucking matter if it's a, if it's 5% more, or does it matter that the overall package of the instrument and the the music being played feels a certain way?
00:36:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, if, well, if you, if you
00:36:46
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I hear what you're saying. I do. I hear you. But you also don't want to buy this guitar or play a guitar that sounds like a little whiny bitch because it doesn't resonate well.
00:36:55
Yeet$
Well, sure, sure. But we've been making guitars for like, I don't know what, a thousand years we've been making lutes for,
00:36:57
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
like Yeah, and they've been making them the fucking same way the whole time.
00:37:03
Yeet$
Well, that's what I'm saying.
00:37:03
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
like i Yeah, but refined in one particular
00:37:03
Yeet$
like those These things have been refined over time. Don't over-science the art.
00:37:09
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
we Refined in one particular way. That doesn't mean there's o other avenues waiting for us that could blow things wide open. That's always what I think.
00:37:17
Yeet$
That's fair.
00:37:18
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I'm just like, maybe we've missed something huge here, but we could only get there through a lot of you know trial and error and experimentation. But that doesn't... That doesn't turn you on, Daisy.
00:37:29
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And I get that. Like, I accept that. Like, it's a certain brain type and a certain way of thinking that gravitates towards that versus storytelling. You know, because someone who's like, I'm going to measure the resonance frequency of these 50 different woods and compare them and then try to see if it changes the tonality is probably not going to be the greatest storyteller, to be quite honest.
00:37:47
Yeet$
Well, they're probably not going to be the greatest guitarist either.
00:37:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh,
00:37:51
Yeet$
They're spending all their time doing science shit and not playing the goddamn guitar.
00:37:54
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
oh don't hate. Don't hate. Alright, so I have a quite...
00:37:57
Daisy
Oh my god, you are such a nerd.
00:38:00
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hey, hey, hey, Oh my god. Alright.
00:38:03
Yeet$
Let's get that sound clip too.
00:38:06
Daisy
50 different words, resonant frequencies, you, you go and do it, you go and do it man, like knock your socks off.
00:38:06
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I've got a... I've got a... My ass is great.
00:38:14
Daisy
I am not gonna be the gal to sit there with a fucking microphone and measuring the resonant frequencies of 50 different timbers when I'm pretty damn sure my guitars sound real good as they are and I'm happy with that.
00:38:24
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:38:25
Daisy
Like, but you know, you, you go nuts.
00:38:26
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I feel ya, I feel ya.
00:38:26
Yeet$
Amazing.
00:38:28
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay. ah quite One of the things that that I've experienced that, and so I was asked to work on a viola with ah ah chris Chris, Christopher Jacobi, who's an excellent ah violin viola luthier that I'm close friends with.
00:38:42
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
He asked me, you know, can we work do a viola together? And what he meant is he'll make it and I'll decorate it with pyrography. So I do a lot of hand-done pyrography and shading.
00:38:51
Daisy
Mm.
00:38:53
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And the question came up, and this this is sort of what I want to ask you. The question came up is like, how much can you deviate from the norm? How much is okay? Because if it goes totally batshit crazy, no one's going to want to buy it, or very few people want to buy it.
00:39:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Or think about it this way, if you make a viola that is so drastically different visually, is someone going to want to be in an orchestra and have that sticking out like a sore thumb in the middle of a tucked in orchestra where all the instruments are, you know, like this. So like sticking out is not always a great thing. And so the question became like, how much can you buck convention? How much can you you know, be creative, quote unquote, you know, within a traditional art form without getting into trouble. And so the question that I want to ask you is like, how much do you think you could change a guitar and still sell it? Or how would changing a form affect price point?
00:39:51
Daisy
I think that um people don't buy my guitars because they're objectively better than any other luthier. I think they buy them because they're by me. So I do believe that um if I did whatever I wanted, people would still buy them because I've created a brand and that's the kind of artist I want to be.
00:40:00
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:40:09
Daisy
It's like people who want to play in an orchestra as a functional thing, they don't come to me and that's not who I pretend to be. um Just like you know if you're If you're buying a car you and you just need it for getting around the city, you buy a hatchback. But if you want to like you know become part of a brand and become part of a story and have a ah better service, you buy a Bentley, right? So I think it's it's a very like statement piece driven purchase.
00:40:43
Daisy
like, to buy something that de deviates from the norm. Um, so yeah, I probably would be fine to deviate because people, yeah, I created my brand to be, to be one off pieces, right?
00:40:59
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:41:00
Daisy
Um, I don't batch produce anything. And that just seems to be the people who buy from me always want my guitar over someone else's guitar because I like the way that I tell the stories, you know?
00:41:10
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:41:12
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:41:12
Yeet$
Yeah.
00:41:12
Daisy
um Makes me sound like I'm begging myself out.
00:41:13
Yeet$
Yeah.
00:41:15
Daisy
I'm not. I'm just like trying to get to the bottom of like the truth, I guess.
00:41:16
Yeet$
No, I like I.
00:41:20
Daisy
and
00:41:20
Yeet$
Yeah, I think that's totally fair.
00:41:22
Yeet$
People come to you because they appreciate the way that you approach the work and they fuck is calling me in the middle of a podcast ruining this sound.
00:41:31
Daisy
Sarah.
00:41:32
Yeet$
ah My apologies, but yeah, they they. they want to support you, they want to own a piece made by you, they want to have that relationship, not only with the the object itself, but with the maker of the object, they know how much, much care and thought and and um all of those things go into it.
00:41:40
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:41:49
Daisy
her
00:41:51
Yeet$
And I'm looking at your your portfolio right now on your website, which by the way, your website is so fucking good. And it makes me realize mine is trash.
00:41:58
Daisy
Is it?
00:42:00
Yeet$
um I don't think I've updated my website since like 2015.
00:42:00
Daisy
Oh, that's good.
00:42:03
Yeet$
So you're doing better than me.
00:42:04
Daisy
I haven't updated mine for a long time, don't worry.
00:42:06
Yeet$
Um, but, but I'm looking at your work and coming to this idea of like, you're not varying too far off the beaten path.
00:42:06
Daisy
so I really need to get on that. So true.
00:42:17
Yeet$
You're not, you're not straying into something wild and new. There's, there's something about it. That's very clearly like handmade and like, there's a softness, a subtleness to it.
00:42:28
Yeet$
That's really, really lovely. And I don't know enough about the craft of making guitars to understand if that's just. like there's something about the shape that's ever so slightly different.
00:42:39
Yeet$
There's like, it has a quality to it that feels very handmade to me, but that could also just because you take really good fucking pictures.
00:42:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:42:48
Yeet$
So I don't like what, what is the thing?
00:42:49
Daisy
Oh.
00:42:52
Yeet$
And I think we have this in common. This is what I'm getting to is like my goal, and I think my job as a designer when I'm making a piece is to get all of the kind of excess, all of the, the, the big loud gaudy shit out of the way and kind of get to the core of what the thing is and do that as simply as possible.
00:43:07
Daisy
Hmm.
00:43:11
Yeet$
Let the material have a voice, let the form have a voice, and then I'm kind of the third hand of the thing. And it it feels like you're doing that same thing.
00:43:18
Daisy
Oh that's beautiful.
00:43:20
Yeet$
Um, but. But what is your approach in that way? Does that make sense? Or am I just putting words in your mouth?
00:43:26
Daisy
No, not at all. I think you explained that beautifully. I wouldn't say I've done that consciously, but
Craftsmanship and Content Creation
00:43:31
Daisy
what I designed my shape to be was different from... So if you know guitars, you'll know that my shape is different.
00:43:37
Daisy
Some people find it nice.
00:43:38
Yeet$
It's got like a flatter top to it.
00:43:40
Daisy
Yeah, some people find it nice. Some people absolutely hate it. um the more eye The more you look at it, the more your eyes get used to it. That's why it's so... so confusing for someone to look at it who knows guitars because it is different.
00:43:52
Daisy
I think that's important as well. um For me and my body shape and just my own comfort, I designed it around, you know, that and just something that I'd want to play because I figured that if there's someone who wants to play it, like if I feel like it's comfortable, someone else will.
00:44:06
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:44:13
Daisy
um And in terms of deviation from the norm in terms of materials. So I like materials to speak as well, like I like them to have the biggest voice literally and aesthetically.
00:44:27
Daisy
um And I think the way that I initially did that or to be a bit different from the norm was I inlay paper into the around the reserve and it's traditionally it's wood right but I've sort of brought in other materials like resin and paper and and copper around the edge and stuff and the reason behind that is because I was looking again to tell a story about the maker which is me and I studied English literature and books were like a huge
00:44:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I saw that.
00:44:40
Yeet$
Mmm.
00:44:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:44:59
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:44:59
Daisy
love of mine, not necessarily reading them, but just being around books. I really love them. I mean, who doesn't? And that was a way to kind of get my own identity in there while also doing something maybe a little bit different and just something that's kind of interesting.
00:45:13
Daisy
So that's how I've deviated a bit, I suppose.
00:45:14
Yeet$
Okay, so so you said earlier in the conversation that you're not interested in fucking around with form and changing things, and yet you're like, not only have I changed the form, but also I've introduced non-traditional materials.
00:45:21
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yes! Yes!
00:45:28
Daisy
Look, I would say I have i have done look i dabbled in pushing the boundaries.
00:45:30
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Eric, thank you for calling her out on that because I was thinking the same fucking thing.
00:45:37
Daisy
You see some people who are guitar makers and they are going nuts and they are pushing and pushing. I think I'm like 10% of that spectrum of a hundred.
00:45:44
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:45:44
Yeet$
But literally that's what I was about to say is that 10%, right? Like you have the thing and in living within that 90% means you can still be really exceptional at your craft, but but it's the five to 10% that makes it your own voice.
00:45:48
Daisy
Yeah.
00:45:58
Yeet$
And that's very clearly what you've done.
00:46:01
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, because she's done it in a way that you can see. I've talked to chair makers, a lot of Windsor chair makers who are like, you can probably tell the the rake and splay on this one spindle.
00:46:04
Yeet$
Sure.
00:46:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It's two degrees more to the left and one degree back, and it changes everything.
00:46:15
Yeet$
ah youre can You can tell, this is this is the David Dew yard, you can tell.
00:46:19
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No, it's not David Deere. I love David Deere. Fuck you, Eric.
00:46:23
Yeet$
I'm not picking on David, it was just the only chair maker I could think of.
00:46:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
But like these chair makers make these miniscule adjustments and they think it's earth shattering.
The Need for Innovation in Traditional Fields
00:46:33
Daisy
Says you, the absolute nerd over here, will, this ring.
00:46:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I tell you what I Like I can't see a goddamn bit of difference between a one degree angle and a two degree angle.
00:46:36
Yeet$
yeah
00:46:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So don't tell me don't i
00:46:43
Yeet$
What would the science say? I don't know. has anybody Has anybody done testing to find out if that two degree angle would change the way it sits? That's what I want to know.
00:46:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
i guess well i guess I guess we have to figure out how to have an empirical measure of comfort while sitting first. And we have to validate that measure.
00:47:00
Daisy
Oh my god, shut up, Paul.
00:47:00
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Then we can do the experiment, Eric.
00:47:02
Yeet$
Oh, Christ.
00:47:05
Daisy
Oh my god.
00:47:06
Yeet$
All right, so we've established that Daisy's a liar when it comes to her saying that ah she doesn't change anything.
00:47:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, yeah i'm I'm not interested.
00:47:11
Daisy
Daisy's a liar, Paul's a nerd, Eric's a dick.
00:47:12
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I'm not interested in that, Paul.
00:47:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ah Eric, Eric, can you answer the question though?
00:47:18
Daisy
We're all good.
00:47:20
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
like This is one I've really thought a lot about. Does bucking convention, does that like put you in danger of having it to decrease your price point because no one wants something that bucks convention on an already optimized product?
00:47:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Or does bucking convention maybe open it up to even a higher price point?
00:47:37
Yeet$
Ooh, that's a good question. I think i think it's a high-risk, high-reward situation. I think the overwhelming majority of people who buck convention do so when they're younger and they're not good and end up making shit. and but But one or two of them catch fire, and so you get the folks who become known for bucking convention. But then they're also trapped in a losing game, right? like you it's It's, I don't know the name of the phenomenon, but the phenomenon of you stop um, growing and maturing as a person, the moment you become famous.
00:48:08
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:48:10
Yeet$
I think that's, that's similar to like, you get locked into this mindset the moment you become successful.
00:48:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:48:19
Yeet$
And so these people who become successful by bucking trends and doing outlandish shit, then have to constantly one up themselves for the rest of their career. Cause you can't, you can't go from like, you know, you can't start as Damien Hirst and then, you know, become like a traditional painter.
00:48:28
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hm.
00:48:35
Yeet$
Like, you just have to keep fucking bedazzling skulls and dipping sharks in chloroform. Nope, that's not right. Fluoride? I don't know. Whatever the fuck you preserved a shark in. Yeah, there it is. We got there.
00:48:50
Yeet$
ah so Yeah, I don't like, I think there's the, the once in a blue moon thing that happens where you, you develop a name quicker because you're doing some outlandish shit.
00:49:02
Yeet$
Um, and so then your price point increases, but I think the overwhelming majority of the time it's the people who figure out how to excel within the confines of the craft they've chosen and then find their five to 10% that establishes, you know, their, their lane.
00:49:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay. Okay.
Fun with Modern Slang
00:49:20
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay, so for for the viola, I actually have the answer to what happened. So I would say we were bigger than five or 10%. Chris like changed, like it wasn't a scroll, it was a shield on top instead of the traditional scroll.
00:49:31
Daisy
Oof.
00:49:31
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It was a shield and there was a like a crazy ass flower I put on the shield, like what, right?
00:49:32
Daisy
Oh wow.
00:49:37
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And there's like vining and and all this like around the ribs of the viola, all this crazy floral and down the back, twisting things straight down the back.
00:49:45
Daisy
Wow.
00:49:47
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And it was pretty, I'd say that's more than 10%. That's pretty out there.
00:49:49
Daisy
Mmm, that's like 35-40.
00:49:50
Yeet$
Hmm, but...
00:49:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And wait, so I want to tell you what happened. So we were, you know, Chris and I were all excited that it was gonna fucking sell, baby sell, right? Because he's a very good luthier, like his instruments go for a lot of money and they they do well.
00:50:02
Daisy
Wow. Yeah.
00:50:04
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, this one sat for two years.
00:50:06
Daisy
Okay. Right.
00:50:07
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And I think we we realized like it's going to take the right person to to see that and be like, that's for me. And now what happened? So we had to sell it at a reduced price.
00:50:19
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We didn't get we didn't get the normal price, but it did find its person. It took two years.
00:50:24
Daisy
Mm-hmm.
00:50:25
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
But funny enough, once that sold, someone saw it.
00:50:29
Daisy
Mm.
00:50:30
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
and was like, I want one like that, but just different. like i mean i i want I want that.
00:50:35
Daisy
Right.
00:50:36
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
And so now we have an order for a second. So that was very unexpected. So I'm kind of i'm still kind of not here nor there on the risk taking.
00:50:44
Yeet$
So is that though, like, I think bold risk taking can happen in a one off vehicle. But when you're building like a guitar brand, you know, like that's a different thing.
00:50:54
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, good point. Good point. Yeah.
00:50:58
Daisy
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
00:50:58
Yeet$
You might sell one or two, but selling 30 4050
00:50:58
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:51:00
Daisy
Yeah.
00:51:00
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:03
Daisy
yeah i would agree with that for sure
00:51:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, maybe the risk taking is an exploratory occasional thing you do while you play it safe, right?
00:51:05
Daisy
um
00:51:12
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Because you don't want to bet the farm on an experimental idea.
00:51:15
Yeet$
Well, and and I think the best designers and crafts people that I know at least tend to like do these, you know, one-off projects or or speculative projects that are just play things where they can break all the rules and then they take components of that and they introduce it into their work, you know, little by little.
00:51:28
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:51:31
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, yeah, great great. Yeah, great point. But you know, Eric, I think one of the things that disappoints me is I think so many people in traditional art forms just become complacent and don't even ask, like, what are the opportunities?
00:51:44
Yeet$
Sure.
00:51:47
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
i'm you know You start looking through the the world through ah like a ah shrunk lens, right? And all you can see is what's in that tiny little lens after a while once you're in a field long enough.
00:51:59
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
But part of me is sad that like we can't keep that sort of broad, more open-minded, more, ah quote unquote, crazy thinking.
00:51:59
Daisy
Mm. Mm.
00:52:09
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
you know I think too often we would come complacent to see the world through a,
00:52:12
Yeet$
Well, is that, is that, is that the artist versus the business person mindset?
00:52:16
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
i that's like yeah, probably.
00:52:18
Yeet$
You know, those are just two, two different states of being.
00:52:18
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
and and yeah Yeah, that's true.
00:52:21
Daisy
I think craft craftsman like the mentality of being a craftsperson I find can be like that because you know you we know there are things which are which cannot be
00:52:28
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:52:35
Daisy
challenge for example having sharp tools right is always going to be the best option so i think you're sort of trained out of being too creative if you're doing woodworking particularly because some things are just how they are and yeah
00:52:38
Yeet$
Hmm.
00:52:44
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Right.
00:52:51
Yeet$
And in some of those things are that way for a reason, right? Like when you were talking about how how far you can push a design, one of my first thoughts was when I was in school, ah one of my classmates made this table where the legs are slightly canted in. Now always, always on a table, the legs are slightly canted out, or they have a visual taper to make it feel like it has a wider stance because it feels sturdy. And the second you kick those legs in, now it feels like it's going to tip over.
00:53:18
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Right.
00:53:18
Yeet$
And Paul, to your point, like you might be able to sell that one table, but if you were to make a line of tables, nobody's going to buy a lot, you know, you're not going to sell a hundred of those tables.
00:53:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:28
Yeet$
Cause it just feels there. We're so used to it being one way that it's, it's upsetting to see it another way.
00:53:31
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:53:34
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. So what the artist might conceptualize as a possibility doesn't mean it's going to be accepted by the so audience at large. Because there's a certain amount of functional expectation, right?
00:53:42
Yeet$
Yeah.
00:53:45
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
The table won't tip over. The guitar will resonate well and project. And by trying all these crazy ideas, the guitar lost its resonance, but it looks cool as fuck, but it's it doesn't sound good to play live.
00:53:58
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Or the table tips over when I lean my fat belly against it. so No, Eric, what you're talking about is the tension between like following what works versus really trying to push into new ground, but there's huge risk associated with it.
00:54:14
Yeet$
Yeah, and I think you can push into new ground like you can only take one step at a time. I think the danger of going too far off the deep end is you're trying to like, you know, long jump down the road or onto different tracks instead of just walking at a pace that's comfortable for you as a as a creative person and for your audience.
00:54:26
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
and anecdotally.
00:54:34
Yeet$
If Daisy were to come out tomorrow and make like, do ah an epoxy like paper pour and make an entire guitar out of something like that, people will be like, are you OK?
00:54:44
Yeet$
Like, emotionally, are you good?
00:54:45
Daisy
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would be having a ah very hard time if I ever do that, just so you know.
00:54:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
did you Did you break your ass by any chance?
00:54:51
Yeet$
ah'll look I'll look for the signs, buddy.
00:54:53
Daisy
Yeah, thanks mate.
00:54:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
oh
00:54:56
Daisy
ah Yeah, exactly.
00:54:59
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right, so maybe ah we can um sort of wrap up that ah discussion.
00:54:59
Daisy
Oh, interesting.
00:55:03
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I think there's definitely like all the times I've tried to really buck convention, I've had a slower sale, but that's not to say it wasn't a valuable um a valuable experiment or that you can't find a way.
00:55:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I think there's people who have made brands based on bucking convention, but somehow they landed on something that was sustainable and almost as good as the more traditional thing. But I think that's few and far between.
00:55:29
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So um i yeah, I do think this conversation about creativity within limitations is great.
00:55:29
Daisy
Mm-hmm.
00:55:34
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I don't think we even covered it fully, to be honest. I think there's a lot more meat on this bone, but maybe we'll take that take that into a different
00:55:38
Yeet$
Oh, for sure. We'll get Daisy back for a round two when her butt heals up.
00:55:43
Daisy
When my butt heals up.
00:55:47
Yeet$
All right, all right, so let's let's dive into a second seg here. ah Paul Daisy. um You guys both know that you know I'm super hip, I'm super cool. The kids know that I know all the slang. And so I think what we're gonna do for this second seg is Paul has acquired a list of slang terms from his ah teenage child. And what he's going to do, Daisy, is feed us those terms. And we have to see, A, if we can figure out what they are. But I want to do this. I want to bring some cultural relativity to it. I can interpret this as an American. I want you to interpret it as ah as a Brit. And like what would it mean if I was over in London
00:56:36
Daisy
Okay.
00:56:37
Yeet$
and I hit him with ah whatever the fucking Riz or whatever he's about to hit us with.
00:56:41
Yeet$
yeah I do know what the Riz is.
00:56:41
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Which one?
00:56:44
Daisy
I don't know...
00:56:46
Yeet$
All right, hit us.
00:56:46
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Daisy goes first. All right.
00:56:48
Daisy
So is Riz the first one?
00:56:50
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, so so ah Daisy, I would describe Eric as the Rizzler.
00:56:52
Daisy
So...
00:56:56
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What am I saying about him?
00:56:56
Yeet$
The Rizzler.
00:56:57
Daisy
So I used this word the other day, not knowing what it meant, and I still don't know what it means, but I got laughed at. So I was in, I was seeing a friend for dinner and drinks, right? And my boyfriend, Rob texted me being like, what are you up to? And I was like, oh, we're just on the Rizz.
00:57:21
Yeet$
ah I don't even know what that means, dude.
00:57:23
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
We're on the Rizz.
00:57:26
Daisy
and ah In my head, what I meant was we're having a nice time.
00:57:28
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:57:30
Daisy
We're we're catching up. We're like Rizzing, right?
00:57:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay.
00:57:33
Daisy
That's what I thought it meant.
00:57:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ri yeah We're Rizzing. Yeah.
00:57:33
Yeet$
We're rizzing.
00:57:36
Daisy
What was that?
00:57:36
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, um I would describe Eric as the Rizzler. What am I saying about him?
00:57:36
Yeet$
Oh, amazing.
00:57:43
Daisy
Well, yeah, so I don't know, clearly.
00:57:44
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
You got to guess.
00:57:46
Daisy
Okay, ah he is a charming man.
00:57:50
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
yes charisma charisma on the risk that's
00:57:52
Daisy
Oh, is that?
00:57:54
Yeet$
or We're on the Riz, man. We're on the Riz right now.
00:58:00
Daisy
You guys are so on the wrist.
00:58:01
Yeet$
You know you know this is the clip we're promoting the show with now, right?
00:58:02
Daisy
She's like so on the wrist.
00:58:04
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
that's amazing okay i got another one you ready all right uh you're you're watching something and you're like that is gat g y g y a t gat
00:58:06
Daisy
but Yeah, go, go.
00:58:15
Yeet$
That's Gat?
00:58:15
Daisy
Ghat.
00:58:16
Yeet$
i thought i thought I thought Gat was an ass. I thought somebody had a Gat.
00:58:21
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's it, that's it.
00:58:22
Daisy
Like, my fine ghat?
00:58:22
Yeet$
Is that it? Oh!
00:58:23
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It's a big butt. It's a big butt.
00:58:25
Yeet$
oh
00:58:26
Daisy
Really?
00:58:26
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
A gat.
00:58:28
Yeet$
Whoo.
00:58:28
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, so Daisy, you broke your gat.
00:58:30
Daisy
Yeah. Bro, my fine ghat.
00:58:33
Yeet$
Fine.
00:58:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I don't know if it's big or not, but you broke it.
00:58:34
Daisy
Did I say it right?
00:58:34
Yeet$
Yeah.
00:58:36
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right. um what ah Daisy, what if what what does it mean if you call someone an NPC?
00:58:37
Daisy
yeah yeah Yeah, got it.
00:58:42
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Is that ah is that a compliment or an insult?
00:58:46
Daisy
I think it sounds like a compliment.
00:58:50
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm.
00:58:50
Yeet$
Oh, well, well,
00:58:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Eric, is NPC, is calling someone an NPC a compliment or a insult?
00:58:51
Daisy
Is that correct?
00:58:55
Daisy
An MPC.
00:58:56
Yeet$
I'm I'm gonna say it's an insult because like NPC back when we were younger is like a non playable character.
00:59:02
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yup.
00:59:04
Yeet$
Look at that pulled it out of my head.
00:59:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's right. Non-playable character.
00:59:07
Daisy
You are down with the kids, Arik!
00:59:08
Yeet$
Whoo. I am I I have we are rizzing so hard right now.
00:59:13
Daisy
We are on the rez, guys.
00:59:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
00:59:15
Daisy
We are on the rez.
00:59:18
Yeet$
All right, so non play so so that just means that means they're useless.
00:59:19
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right, so yeah, that that's, that's an insult.
00:59:19
Daisy
Okay.
00:59:22
Yeet$
Yeah.
00:59:23
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, I mean, someone's like not notable.
00:59:23
Daisy
Yeah.
00:59:25
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, you're, you're just part of the wallpaper.
00:59:25
Daisy
So not a main character.
00:59:25
Yeet$
Oh, man. OK, OK.
00:59:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All right.
00:59:27
Daisy
oh What?
00:59:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
um That, that is so choochie. choochie.
00:59:33
Daisy
How do you spell that?
00:59:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
C H E U G Y choochie.
00:59:37
Yeet$
Oh, that's it.
00:59:38
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's choochie.
00:59:40
Yeet$
Well, I feel like you're giving it context with the way that you're saying it there.
00:59:43
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I am I am
00:59:44
Yeet$
That's cheeky. I mean, it can't be. I don't know what the hell it means.
00:59:48
Daisy
Does it mean, you know, ah chegi is it like, you know when you chew the fat, you're like mulling something over?
00:59:48
Yeet$
That's gross.
00:59:56
Daisy
Do we think that it means that?
00:59:58
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I think you're putting the word chew into chewy.
01:00:02
Daisy
That's correct, yes, that is what I'm doing. I can't clutch at many straws with this one, but that that's my...
01:00:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It means not trendy. It means not trendy or cringe.
01:00:08
Yeet$
Not trendy.
01:00:09
Daisy
Ah, well, you know what? Thinking, thinking is not trendy.
01:00:10
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It's cringe. It's like...
01:00:12
Daisy
Cringes, thinking is cringe.
01:00:13
Yeet$
Think.
01:00:14
Daisy
If you're chewing the fat, and you're standing there on your own just chewing the fat with yourself or with, you know, it's not, it's cringe.
01:00:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Chewy.
01:00:21
Yeet$
Hold on, is that chewing the fat is is a euphemism for thinking?
01:00:26
Daisy
Oh, well, no, chewing the fat is like mulling stuff over or like chatting with people, right?
01:00:30
Yeet$
When you said that, I literally assumed you were like eating the fat off a like a steak.
01:00:30
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Chatting yeah No All right, I got I got two more you ready She's chopped
01:00:31
Daisy
Yeah.
01:00:35
Daisy
You know what?
01:00:40
Daisy
Did you not know that expression?
01:00:41
Yeet$
i I mean, I don't think so.
01:00:45
Daisy
Oh, well, there you go. Yes, it is not in fact eating meat.
01:00:50
Yeet$
Okay, hit us.
01:00:51
Daisy
Okay, go.
01:00:56
Daisy
Is that like when people say like, she's cooked, like she's mad, you know, she's chopped.
01:00:56
Yeet$
I got fucking nothing.
01:01:03
Yeet$
She's chopped, okay.
01:01:04
Daisy
Like she's she's she's hectic.
01:01:04
Yeet$
um i'm gonna I'm gonna take the opposite stance.
01:01:04
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
there's an There's another version. There's another version.
01:01:07
Daisy
Okay.
01:01:09
Yeet$
i'm gonna say I'm gonna say chopped is like, that's a dope fucking haircut. Like she got that fucking chop on, you know?
01:01:12
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
All Here's another one. So you can you can substitute for chopped. You can say, she's clapped.
01:01:21
Daisy
Oh, she's ugly.
01:01:22
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yes, ugly.
01:01:23
Yeet$
She's ugly, okay.
01:01:24
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yes, she's clapped.
01:01:27
Yeet$
I, when you said clap, I thought that meant like clapping them booty cheeks.
01:01:33
Yeet$
She got that gap.
01:01:35
Daisy
God, you haven't seen Sarah in a while. Your mind's in filthy places.
01:01:41
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Daisy, yes! Yes, Daisy, yes! Okay, last but not least, she's Chuz.
01:01:46
Daisy
clapped.
01:01:46
Yeet$
oh
01:01:48
Daisy
Oh dear.
01:01:51
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's Chuz.
01:01:53
Yeet$
That's Chuz, or she's, kent cant one can be Chuz, or a thing is Chuz.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Chuz.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
One can be Chuz.
01:01:59
Yeet$
One can be Chuz.
01:02:00
Daisy
Is it like when people, like really posh people on like Maine and Chelsea say cheers, they're like, chas.
01:02:00
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, she's Chuz.
01:02:09
Daisy
Is that not what it means? Like,
01:02:12
Yeet$
Chuz.
01:02:12
Daisy
You walk around West London, that's all you hear.
01:02:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay.
01:02:15
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay.
01:02:15
Yeet$
Chuz, okay.
01:02:16
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
This is amazing.
01:02:16
Daisy
Chas.
01:02:17
Yeet$
i'm gonna um'm I'm gonna say, what is it, Chuz?
01:02:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's a...
01:02:20
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Chuz. She's Chuz.
01:02:21
Yeet$
She's chuzz. I'm gonna say ah that's, we used to say she thick, but I'm gonna say she chuzz now.
01:02:28
Daisy
A stick
01:02:30
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
a No. Alright.
01:02:32
Yeet$
She chuzz with two Z's.
01:02:32
Daisy
move to Chas.
01:02:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So, chuz is actually the the concatenation or the the the the coming together of two other slang words. So, chuz is like chopped huz, okay?
01:02:46
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
So, we we already covered chopped it means ugly.
01:02:46
Yeet$
I don't know what hers is.
01:02:47
Daisy
Puzz.
01:02:49
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Chopped means is ugly, right? And, huz is like slang for hose.
01:02:49
Yeet$
Okay.
01:02:55
Daisy
So it's, it's large, large and promiscuous.
01:02:55
Yeet$
it's to your ugly ho?
01:02:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It's like ugly hose, chuz, chopped huz or chuz. It's amazing.
01:03:03
Daisy
Kids these days are savage.
01:03:03
Yeet$
Oh my God.
01:03:05
Daisy
Like that is hectic.
01:03:06
Yeet$
Honestly, honestly. The only thing, we had slang, I mean, we used more traditional slang that was not appropriate to use these days, but still, like most of our slang was like, that's the bomb.
01:03:07
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
dude no dude fucking chopped hose dude i love it if i if i say that to my daughter like we'll be like someone a whisper under my breath or i'll be like dude that's chuz she laughs her fucking ass off
01:03:16
Daisy
Mmm.
01:03:18
Yeet$
You know, like it was positive shit.
01:03:22
Yeet$
Chopped hose.
01:03:23
Daisy
So bad!
01:03:30
Yeet$
Yo, that's Chuz.
01:03:33
Daisy
That is so funny.
01:03:34
Yeet$
Next time I see her, I'm just gonna walk in the house and be like, that outfit, fucking Chuz, dawg.
01:03:37
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's chud.
01:03:40
Yeet$
What is you doing?
01:03:40
Daisy
Oh my god.
01:03:42
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Alright Daisy, do you have some Brit ones for us?
01:03:45
Daisy
Oh yeah, so what do you think a fishy Barnaby is?
01:03:51
Yeet$
What the fuck?
01:03:52
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What?
01:03:53
Yeet$
That's a baked good of some kind. A fucking bishy Barnaby.
01:03:55
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What?
01:03:56
Daisy
Nope.
01:03:58
Yeet$
That's just, that's like a peep, like it's a marshmallow candy.
01:04:01
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
It sounds like a drink you would drink with your pinky out.
01:04:04
Daisy
um When you say Charles.
01:04:04
Yeet$
When you say Chas.
01:04:08
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
A fishy Bonabie?
01:04:08
Daisy
Uh, Bishy Barnaby. Oh, I've gone Russian now. No, so Bishy Barnaby is a ladybird.
01:04:17
Yeet$
What the fuck is a lady bird?
01:04:18
Daisy
What the fuck?
01:04:19
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
A bird?
01:04:23
Daisy
What What?
01:04:23
Yeet$
like Like a bird?
01:04:24
Daisy
A ladybug?
01:04:25
Yeet$
that's ah that's Oh, a lady bug.
01:04:28
Daisy
Yeah, but we call it a ladybird, so that's two and one.
01:04:30
Yeet$
Oh, really?
01:04:31
Daisy
Yeah, a ladybird.
01:04:32
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
oh
01:04:33
Daisy
But in Norfolk, so this is a very strict regional one, so in Norfolk, where I am from, it's a very Norfolk regional thing to call it a Bishi Barnaby.
01:04:33
Yeet$
Interesting.
01:04:42
Yeet$
Bishie Barnaby.
01:04:44
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Maybe a ladybug.
01:04:45
Yeet$
i'm gonna I'm gonna use that all the fucking time now.
01:04:46
Daisy
ah Ladybird.
01:04:47
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh my God. I would have never guessed that in a million years.
01:04:48
Daisy
Yeah, I mean, it's very, yeah. Okay, I've got some more, so I'm gonna look at my little, little list uh all right guess who i asked for this yeah guess who i i asked for help with this challenge no chat gpt
01:05:04
Yeet$
Say again?
01:05:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hmm?
01:05:10
Yeet$
Oh, ah your mom? I don't know. Oh, of course you did.
01:05:14
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh God, Daisy, come on.
01:05:18
Daisy
So I mean, actually, I don't know how good it was because I don't think that these are strictly British, but apparently they are. So it's come up with gubbins.
01:05:29
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Gubbins.
01:05:29
Yeet$
Gubbins?
01:05:30
Daisy
Do you not have that word?
01:05:31
Yeet$
Gubbins, Gubbins, Gubbins is something that like, that's like a shitty governor. You know, like, what's up?
01:05:36
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Gubbins.
01:05:37
Yeet$
This fucking Gubbins, let's get this fucking Gubbins out of office.
01:05:39
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Gubbins. Gubbins.
01:05:41
Daisy
Do you guys not have that word? That's so funny.
01:05:43
Yeet$
Nope, never heard that.
01:05:43
Daisy
I'm so sheltered.
01:05:45
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Gubbins sounds like a like a like a bakery treat, at you know, like something.
01:05:45
Daisy
um so
01:05:49
Daisy
why is that not all bakery oh no that's that's gross guys know no no no no because when you know what it means though it's gonna ick you out um gubbins is basically like useless or dirty stuff
01:05:49
Yeet$
No, that's a Bishy Barnaby, man.
01:05:50
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
No, that's like iced, iced gubbins, like I'll take the iced gubbins, like, just warm it up.
01:05:53
Yeet$
Oh, oh, fucking iced gubbins.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Would you like it warm?
01:05:57
Yeet$
Hell yeah.
01:05:57
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Like, would you like it warmed with your latte?
01:05:57
Yeet$
That's got, that's got like, that's got like a, like a fruity middle in there. You know what I mean?
01:06:01
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
There you go.
01:06:02
Yeet$
Like ah an iced gubbins.
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Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah, I'll take a peach gubbins.
01:06:03
Yeet$
Hell yeah.
01:06:05
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah.
01:06:09
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay, go.
01:06:13
Daisy
You know, it's like little gubbins that you have, like it's used in a car a lot. Like if, oh, I've got loads of gubbins in my car, just like loads of little bits like in the dashboard and that kind of thing.
01:06:24
Daisy
So the idea of putting icing on that is not nice.
01:06:24
Yeet$
ah In fairness, I was gonna say, in fairness, those gubbins could very well be iced.
01:06:29
Yeet$
Like, they are...
01:06:29
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Eric Eric's got gubbins in his pants.
01:06:31
Yeet$
They've got some sticky shit on them.
01:06:33
Daisy
So grim.
01:06:34
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Okay, next.
01:06:37
Daisy
One of my personal favorites is Wazook.
01:06:41
Yeet$
Wasak?
01:06:41
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What's up?
01:06:41
Daisy
Do you not, do you not use that?
01:06:43
Yeet$
I was gonna say, that's a 90s slang term for sure.
01:06:47
Daisy
Wazook is like an insult, but it is very, I guess very 90s. It's like, oh, you're such a wazook.
01:06:53
Yeet$
He's such a wasak.
01:06:54
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
He's a wazook chuzz.
01:06:54
Daisy
Such a wazook.
01:06:56
Yeet$
that
01:06:58
Daisy
Whoa, that's really weird. My iTunes just started playing in my ear. Anyway, it's gone now.
01:07:04
Yeet$
Such a wizek move.
01:07:05
Daisy
such a bloody wazook me um wazook is just a it's just like an idiot like you're such a wazook like you're just wazook behavior uh what else is there do you know apparently it says you don't have hair of the dog as an expression yeah it's yeah lies so yeah i guess that's kind of i think that's probably it
01:07:06
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
What does it mean? Huh?
01:07:14
Yeet$
Fucking wizek over here. All right, give me one more.
01:07:25
Yeet$
Oh, we have hair of the dog.
01:07:26
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Hairy the dog.
01:07:27
Yeet$
Yeah, little drink the next morning.
01:07:27
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:30
Yeet$
Yeah.
01:07:30
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Yeah. Got that.
01:07:33
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Well, I'm glad you had one derogatory one because all of mine were for some reason pretty much derogatory.
01:07:37
Daisy
Yeah, you ah you were on the heat.
01:07:39
Yeet$
I really, I really do like Bishi Barnaby though. That's strong, man.
01:07:43
Daisy
It's cute, isn't it?
01:07:43
Yeet$
That's a good, that feels like a, like a, like a, like a kid's band, like the, uh, the, the Wiggles, the Wiggles, what were they?
01:07:50
Daisy
The Wiggles, yeah.
01:07:51
Yeet$
The Wiggles, the Bishi Barnabas, that's a thing.
01:07:51
Daisy
The Wiggles. The Bishy Barnabes. It's actually so cute.
01:07:56
Yeet$
Oh, all right.
Ad Read: Bill Burkle's Woodworking Business
01:07:57
Yeet$
Um, so we got to do a momentary ad read for our friend our hero, our Lord and Savior Bill Burkle, at W.
01:08:06
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
ah cor bit
01:08:07
Yeet$
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01:08:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
a Tomato. Tomato. We covered this.
01:08:17
Yeet$
ah So he is once again i said on the i believe it was the last step that i'll be there on march twenty ninth at ten am m doing a shaper demo so those of you who are nearby huntington valley pennsylvania you can come out and join me i will be there teaching folks how to use the origin and ah absolutely making just asinine jokes and wasting everybody's time.
01:08:39
Yeet$
ah but That's part of the joy of it so another thing that bill is doing this month is giving a micro jig bundle away so that's gonna be a twelve hundred dollar total bundle that you can find on his website as part of the the giveaway as part of the sign up.
01:08:57
Yeet$
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01:09:09
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Can you yeah, I think it's Japanese. Yeah.
01:09:14
Yeet$
I. Doesn't sound japanese at all yeah it's.
01:09:16
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I don't know. I don't remember it. No, but I recall. No, no, I recall like talking about them at one point and the people who tried them said they were excellent.
01:09:25
Yeet$
Okay. Okay. And,
Essential Woodworking Tools
01:09:27
Yeet$
uh, Daisy, I have a brief question for you. So Bill is trying to get some hand tools in the shop as well. So he is wondering if you were to say like, here are the five basic hand tools that I think somebody needs to start woodworking. What would you recommend?
01:09:44
Daisy
Plain, chisel, square,
01:09:50
Daisy
um, saw, like a little gent saw or a dovetail saw.
01:09:55
Yeet$
Little gentsaw.
01:09:56
Daisy
And then, do you not know what it's called?
01:10:00
Yeet$
No, i actually, nobody uses a gentsaw over here, and I love them. So I love that you just said a gentsaw.
01:10:05
Daisy
Oh, cute. Yeah. And then, um, probably like a calipers or something, depends on what you're doing.
01:10:12
Yeet$
Interesting. OK.
01:10:13
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Calipers, that's a deep cut.
01:10:14
Yeet$
All right.
01:10:14
Daisy
Maybe.
01:10:14
Yeet$
Calipers. That's that's a luthier move right there.
01:10:17
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
That's a deep cut right there.
01:10:17
Daisy
I think it is, yeah.
01:10:18
Yeet$
Yeah. Yeah.
01:10:19
Daisy
I'm just trying to think what I use most in my job ah on the Yeah.
01:10:19
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Girl got Riz.
01:10:21
Yeet$
I mean, amazing. She on that riz.
01:10:28
Daisy
I think that's probably what I'd say.
01:10:28
Yeet$
Well, friends, ah fucking delight having you on today.
Closing Remarks and Tease for After-Show
01:10:33
Yeet$
Thank you so much for for jumping on.
01:10:34
Daisy
Thank you guys.
01:10:35
Yeet$
And in the after show, I want to hear about why you chose to move down under. I got to get that story out of you.
01:10:43
Daisy
Oh yeah, it's it's not because of a boy, just to put you right there.
01:10:47
Yeet$
I don't believe you.
01:10:47
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
Oh, I think it is.
01:10:47
Daisy
I'll explain.
01:10:49
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
I don't believe her either.
01:10:49
Yeet$
Let's dive into it. OK, thanks. Bye.
01:10:52
Woodworking is Bullsh*t
um i