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#434 Measuring anodizing hardness
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- Should we die with zero?
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Introduction and Business Overview
00:00:01
John
Good morning. Welcome to the Business of Machining, episode 434. You guys know who I am. You know who he is. how are you?
00:00:08
johngrimsmo
I'm doing good.
00:00:10
John
Sorry, am I allowed to to rewrite the script?
00:00:12
johngrimsmo
no
00:00:15
John
oh If you're joining for the first time ever, welcome. um I make knives and the other guy makes fixture plates.
00:00:24
johngrimsmo
Yeah, wait a minute.
00:00:27
John
How are you?
00:00:28
johngrimsmo
I'm doing I'm doing good things are things are flowing really good. We got two guys on vacation this week, but otherwise everything's flowing. Amazing.
00:00:36
John
Good. Awesome.
00:00:36
johngrimsmo
Yeah, yeah. you
00:00:38
John
ah Good.
Year-End Planning and Curiosity
00:00:40
John
I'm sort of, it's a crap, whatever cliche, crazy to say it, but you know, it's basically November 1st. And so you start looking at everything from year end, like we're already getting requests for quotes for, you know, user lose it budget type stuff.
00:00:53
John
And then there'll be the inevitable holiday drive
00:00:55
johngrimsmo
Oh, interesting.
00:00:58
John
retail purchasing that happens and then um you know, requisite travel, you know, stuff like that. So it's kind of like, wow, all of a sudden I went from, i just feel like our kids went back to school yesterday to like, now I'm starting to think about wrapping up the year.
00:01:13
johngrimsmo
yep
00:01:13
John
Just, just nothing's well, but everything's like, I really mean everything's great. Like really it is great. So yeah.
00:01:21
johngrimsmo
good still got two months left man i hear you though yep well you've said that before like like you either consciously or with reminders uh
00:01:21
John
Yeah.
00:01:26
John
No, I know. I know. I don't mean it like, Yeah, just the way I work, um started goes into that. Okay.
00:01:38
johngrimsmo
deal with year end in November. Like you start thinking about it.
00:01:42
John
I do. Yep.
00:01:43
johngrimsmo
You've mentioned that I'm talking with you for seven years, but in the podcast, like this is a theme, which is good.
00:01:45
John
Yep. sorry
00:01:48
johngrimsmo
And I don't really, i don't think that way always.
00:01:50
John
Yeah. Well, but the thing I want to try to do, well, so you and I are going to lose at one thing, which is we're going to lose our ability to stay young.
00:01:58
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:01:59
John
I don't know whether we'll lose our ability to stay hungry because I do find that I'm quite hungry, even if to be fair, i get burned out from time and time again.
00:02:04
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:02:07
John
But um the thing I want to make sure you and I do is keep each other willing to have fresh perspectives and you know, you don't know what you don't know. And like, I think part of me has grown with more conviction about things I care about in life.
00:02:19
John
And part of me is in a weird way, really, really chilled out a lot. Like, um, just have, so yeah.
00:02:27
johngrimsmo
Yep. That's exactly, with experience, I gain more firmness in what I do believe, but then I'm also super curious and super hungry and always want to learn new things.
00:02:32
John
Yeah.
00:02:36
johngrimsmo
And I want to, I want to know a lot of things about a lot of things and I want to be able to apply that to my business in a way that's, you know, profitable, productive, um, helpful for everybody around me.
00:02:41
John
Yeah, yeah. Yep.
00:02:48
johngrimsmo
And that's, that's what I want to do.
00:02:50
John
Yeah.
Financial Philosophies and Education
00:02:51
John
Okay. So I'm going to, we should do, i I want to have it all. Let's do our little like preview list, but that's too good of a segue to not take it up real quick to say, I just read this book, die with zero.
00:03:01
John
Um, you, nobody should read it.
00:03:02
johngrimsmo
Good.
00:03:04
John
Like it's not, it's not, you, you don't need to read it because it's a quick read that can be quicker. We read with just a chat or GPD summary, Amazon summary. Um, and that's not to do a disservice to the book or the author or the ghostwriter, but like, it's not a, um,
00:03:20
John
the, the, uh, punchline or catchphrase or clickbait of the book title is, you know, you don't, there's no reason to die with any money period. Like the proverbial, you can't take it with you.
00:03:32
John
Um, and of course he then clarifies, well, look, that doesn't mean if something like setting your kids up or others up for success, offspring charities, et cetera, do it while you're alive when you can be part of it and mean something, um,
00:03:48
John
And I get it. And then he, and there's, well, I don't really, I certainly don't need to influence anybody who's listening about what their opinion should be.
00:03:49
johngrimsmo
oh
00:03:59
John
Everyone should form their own opinions. I'll just share mine. I wholeheartedly agree with a lot of what the author says about this idea of like, make sure you keep perspective, make sure you're, you know, doing what you want to do, that your days work, your career works, your life works.
00:04:14
John
And it kind of made me realize how different you and I are. Like we're not, corporate nine to fivers that have desk jobs and reporting requirements and like it's it's so, so, so different. Um, and I do take that for granted these days.
00:04:26
John
Like I don't have, a I don't have to ask for vacation days.
00:04:26
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:04:28
John
I come and go, um, I'm at work. I, I work, but like, but like, it's just different. So, um,
00:04:34
johngrimsmo
Tomorrow morning know we'll be here.
00:04:35
John
But let me say I'm focused to the book. um And so I really understand that, you know, to be like 47 and be like, I need to work so much harder and forego memories with my family or trips or events, especially while you have your health.
00:04:40
johngrimsmo
That's all we need. We need to go home now. And over the year, I'm taking vacations.
00:04:47
John
So the big theme of it is like people save up money until they're 60 or 70 and they don't have the same energy drive, health, et cetera.
00:04:47
johngrimsmo
It's all the start time. It's all the day. Thank you.
00:04:55
John
Um, so all that's awesome. The thing I vehemently disagree with, like it is to my core, fundamentally not who I am.
00:05:00
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:05:03
John
And I disagree for most um everybody else as well, but it doesn't matter. My opinion of what other people do is irrelevant is he's basically like, Hey, when you're 20, you're going to earn more later. So go into debt, borrow money and take crazy trips.
00:05:17
John
Um, and like, that's not really an exaggeration. He's literally saying that like, you know, just, You know, but you'll be able to pay it back later. You'll be able to earn more later. There's no point in saving money when you're 20 because saving a huge amount of your income is actually only going to be 200 bucks a month or a week or whatever. And that's pointless because in eight years or 10 years, you'll be able to save so much more.
00:05:34
John
I can't tell you how.
00:05:38
John
just like I'm wired a complete opposite. Now, does that mean I was wired correctly? i don't know, John.
00:05:44
johngrimsmo
Yeah, exactly.
00:05:44
John
Like it's, you know, it heavily influenced my a grandfather who went through World War war two as ah as a soldier, went through the, he didn't live in the Great Depression, but he was born at the end of it.
00:05:54
John
um My father, who grew up very frugal in many respects of his life, not all, but in many. um And it's who I am because the cliche of money doesn't buy happiness, but sure buys you a lot of options.
00:06:07
John
I'm a saver. I was a saver. And to be blunt, I'm a saver. It's saving money is how I got to where I am today. Full stop. Like, I'm not going to apologize for that. And so this idea of like flipping that around and just borrowing money recklessly to like, make sure you have a great 22 year old life, uh, frolicking off to Europe without a job in, in racking a credit card debt.
00:06:26
John
I can't like, sorry. i
00:06:28
johngrimsmo
Yeah, that's a good way to make very bad financial decisions very fast that you'll live with for the next 20 years or more.
00:06:34
John
Yes.
00:06:35
johngrimsmo
Like not every corporate career will be able to work your way out of that kind of debt.
00:06:35
John
Correct.
00:06:40
John
Correct. And I think there's so much financial education that needs to happen around the the best way to set yourself up as a young adult or work entering the workforce is not to subject yourself to so much overhead that you don't appreciate and realize. And that's where I'm not very apologetic about like we all some of us were like we were all born.
00:07:00
John
if I may say so, in the greatest country in the world, at the greatest point in the history of humanity, like we all won the lottery, but for sure some of us were born in situations that are even yet better.
00:07:11
John
I'll be honest, like I didn't have to pay for my college. I didn't have to borrow money from my college. That's a big advantage that not everybody has. That being said, there's still different levels of I think the biggest thing i I won the lottery on was a sense of awareness that I didn't go into credit card debt or borrow a bunch of money for a fancy car when I was 21 because I was taught that.
00:07:30
John
And not everybody was taught that.
00:07:32
johngrimsmo
Sure.
00:07:32
John
That's not fair.
00:07:33
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:07:33
John
That's that's a true ah such a disservice that people are they're guilty of making a mistake that they nobody ever told them not to do. And that that's tragic. Sorry, I'm a bit off topic here.
00:07:42
johngrimsmo
No, it's that's fantastic.
00:07:43
John
But
00:07:44
johngrimsmo
um Yeah, I definitely got myself into a sticky debt situation when I was in my 20s that it took me you know years to get out of. And looking back, it was not a lot of money, like $1,000 or something, but it like it went to creditors and it was it was a bad deal.
00:07:56
John
Oh, yeah.
00:07:58
johngrimsmo
um And it wrecked my credit for the next few years. But Meg and I were broke for like 15 years. And that's just, we we didn't do a lot and we didn't borrow or spend a lot because we didn't have a lot.
00:08:07
John
Yeah.
00:08:08
johngrimsmo
And we made that work. We were okay with that. And then growing this business, we've crawled our way out of that. And then now we're teaching our kids, you know, they're 12 and 15, you know, what little bits we can about financial independence and knowledge and things like that.
00:08:21
johngrimsmo
um
00:08:22
John
Awesome, dude.
00:08:22
johngrimsmo
And yeah it was great. And it's like kids are now of the age where they're going out in the world and spending a little bit of their own money. And Leif and I walked to the local Tim Hortons and he used his own $12 to buy himself two egg sandwiches and a donut this morning.
00:08:38
John
That's aggressive.
00:08:39
johngrimsmo
Yeah. and And he's like, one of those for me? um He's like, no, no, these are both for me. But yeah he's he's getting an appetite on them.
00:08:46
John
That's hilarious.
00:08:47
johngrimsmo
um But yeah, it's it's important to teach our kids and whoever will listen what we've learned about
00:08:54
John
Yeah.
00:08:54
johngrimsmo
finance and I continue to learn. I don't want to say I'm a student of it because I'm not like super interested in finance, but I definitely want to make sure I'm taken care of and that those around me that matter to me are making good decisions and taken care of.
00:09:06
John
Yeah.
00:09:08
johngrimsmo
And in conversation, either with our team or with friends or whatever, I'm getting a lot less hesitant to speak up and say my experiences and my thoughts, whereas I always used to be a bystander to all financial conversations, because I just, I didn't feel like I had much to say.
00:09:17
John
Yeah.
00:09:24
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:09:24
John
Yeah.
00:09:27
John
No, it can be awkward. It can be embarrassing. I i understand it. I don't i know the way I talk about it, i don't sound very sympathetic. That doesn't mean I don't intend to be. like I've had friends that I thought were successful friends and they're like, oh yeah, I bought this new $3,000 toy because they had four years, zero interest.
00:09:36
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:09:45
John
And you're just like, this is the quintessential want, not a need. And you're just like, Like, mean, of course, to each their own, but like, darn dude, like, what?
00:09:57
johngrimsmo
Yep. Yep.
00:10:00
John
In an indirect way, the book ties into the theme that you and I have come back to over the years of like separating or recognizing the role a a business that you own and operate and provides your means of life, identity and financial so forth, how you, how you keep that separated or how you think about it differently than your personal life.
00:10:22
johngrimsmo
Mm-hmm.
00:10:23
John
Um, which has been something that I, think that, you know, I started that process a couple of years ago and, and and like kind of where we've ended up with that.
00:10:29
johngrimsmo
Yeah, no, that's interesting because I definitely have treated them separately. Like Meg's been in charge of our personal finance at home forever. um
00:10:37
John
Mm-hmm.
00:10:37
johngrimsmo
But because up until recent watchmaking, I've had zero hobbies at home. So i've but I've spent zero dollars at home on myself, you know, other than like socks and underwear.
00:10:45
John
Right.
00:10:47
johngrimsmo
And at work is where I get to buy cool things that I like. And ideally they make money and and help the business grow, but it's for better or worse, it's been my outlet for like,
00:11:00
John
Yeah.
00:11:01
johngrimsmo
blowing money on stuff I may or may not need um for better and worse. But and now I have a bunch of stuff that just sits on the shelf and gets collects dust because I'm like, I didn't really need that or not a bunch of things, but some things for sure.
00:11:11
John
Yeah.
00:11:13
johngrimsmo
It's like, not always a great decision. um Sometimes there are experiments that work or don't work, they could work great. Yeah. yeah
00:11:21
John
Yeah. But that's, again, i i i know you and I don't realize how different is because we don't have, you know, our jobs to the extent we want them to allow us to satisfy our our most our intellectual curiosities.
00:11:34
John
They allow us to travel to the extent that we want to travel.
00:11:34
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:11:37
John
They allow us to work as little or as hard as we want to. And it's just like, um and that's a great thing.
00:11:40
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:11:41
John
Like when you, switch to that over to that guy that I'd mentioned a while back, Cal Newport, the whole like deep thinking podcast, kind of that like self-help vibes I'm half into, but not really.
00:11:54
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:11:54
John
And it's sense like, look, structure the day you want, structure the life you want. Like, you know, do you want to have a day where you're able to, um, do X, you know, whatever you want. Um, so yeah.
00:12:10
John
Um, can we switch to our lists?
00:12:12
johngrimsmo
Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think of what to title that in our notes and I don't know what to title, what we just talked about.
00:12:20
John
Yeah. Do we die with zero?
00:12:23
johngrimsmo
Got it.
00:12:28
johngrimsmo
ah So what you got, what's your list?
00:12:29
John
No, go first.
00:12:31
johngrimsmo
um Just couple of things.
Creative Projects and Technology Discussions
00:12:32
johngrimsmo
I think we touched on it last week, Norseman blades and heat treat. Um, I want to keep talking about time studies and process planning and then a quick little foam update and some Halloween stuff I've been posting on Instagram.
00:12:39
John
yeah
00:12:45
John
Yeah, dude, that stuff was dialed. You can go rock that now.
00:12:49
johngrimsmo
Okay, let's start with that. um' I mean, anybody who's been following the Instagram has been seeing what what we got cooking up. What's cool about it is I had almost zero involvement in the whole thing. And it was like the guys put a lot of hours into um making a special pattern for the Halloween knives and the pens and you know designing it, machining it, doing different finishing, different polishing, different things like that.
00:13:13
johngrimsmo
um And the marketing and the videos and stuff like that. and We actually borrowed a tarantula.
00:13:18
John
the
00:13:18
johngrimsmo
yeah I didn't handle it it was actually filmed out of house but uh yeah it was pretty cool so Dave the lady lady tarantula
00:13:22
John
Good.
00:13:27
John
Wait, the tranch that has a name and the name is the wrong gender.
00:13:30
johngrimsmo
yes um
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John
Okay.
00:13:33
johngrimsmo
um And it just turned out really cool. So it's like, you know, the guys got together and they kind of planned it and they're like, we got to do this. And I, my sister can borrow a tarantula and okay, let's do that.
00:13:44
johngrimsmo
And what if we film it like this? And what if we, what if we tie it in with this old handle that, you know, John made back in his garage that's in the drawer that the top drawer of my toolbox has like all my old stuff in it.
00:13:46
John
like
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johngrimsmo
So the guys dig through it sometimes for inspiration and they did. and they're like, okay, we're doing this for Halloween and all came together really, really, really cool.
00:14:04
John
How did you get the tarantula to like perfectly walk across the case?
00:14:07
johngrimsmo
Well, that's what the Tricia was saying. She's like, ah it's it's not a dog. You can't like train it. You can't teach it to do anything.
00:14:13
John
Yeah.
00:14:14
johngrimsmo
You can just kind of blow on it and hope it'll move that way.
00:14:17
John
Well, cause my kid's classroom had a tarantula a year or two ago at school and the thing, the thing doesn't move.
00:14:21
johngrimsmo
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:14:24
John
It just sits there all day. So I don't know with like, keep but keeping like ethical but treatment of animals, like how do you coax a tarantula?
00:14:32
johngrimsmo
I have no idea. Yeah, it was done in in her studio at her house, so I don't know, but it was cool.
00:14:33
John
Okay.
00:14:36
John
yeah
00:14:39
John
Yeah. Yeah. Well done. Seriously, well done. now The production quality of that was super.
00:14:43
johngrimsmo
Thank you. Yeah, I showed it to Meg this morning and and she thought so too. She said the video is just absolutely perfect. um
00:14:50
John
Do you like spiders?
00:14:52
johngrimsmo
and No, no, thank you.
00:14:53
John
Yeah. Right there with you.
00:14:54
johngrimsmo
No, creepy creepy crawlies are not for me. um
00:14:56
John
Yeah.
00:14:58
johngrimsmo
Yep, but nah.
00:14:58
John
Yeah. you like snakes? Yeah. I don't mind snakes as much for sure.
00:15:01
johngrimsmo
You? Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:04
John
Like i I would actually hold a snake.
00:15:04
johngrimsmo
As much.
00:15:05
John
i i don't care. the i don't want to, but would zero chance. I'm like hanging out translator or even like, like the spiders you see here, like, ugh.
00:15:10
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:15:15
johngrimsmo
Yep. Well, Clara likes bugs and wants to be a bug person when she grows up. And we have jumping spiders all around the outside of our house.
00:15:19
John
Yeah.
00:15:22
johngrimsmo
And they're not, they don't even bite. They're just little and they jump. um They don't even web. I don't think very much because they're hunters. they They go and hunt. Anyway, she'll like pick them up, even the big ones. And she'll like hold them, let them crawl all over her hands and whatever.
00:15:36
John
Do you know if Dave can bite you? Okay.
00:15:39
johngrimsmo
I don't know. i don't think so.
00:15:43
John
Right? Aren't they D?
00:15:44
johngrimsmo
Yeah, she said she said he's friendly.
00:15:44
John
Am I making that up?
00:15:46
johngrimsmo
i don't know.
00:15:47
John
Yeah, says the person that owns the tarantula.
00:15:49
johngrimsmo
Exactly.
00:15:49
John
Like you can't bite me.
00:15:51
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:15:51
John
yeah Okay. Okay. Oh,
00:15:52
johngrimsmo
there are No, thanks.
00:15:56
johngrimsmo
So, yeah, what's on your list?
00:15:56
John
okay here i'm sorry.
00:15:57
johngrimsmo
and
00:15:58
John
Okay, measuring, analyzing hardness in a way you maybe have never heard of, Home Assistant, Windows 11 locking me out of my own computer this morning, um probing checks when fusion, tooling up the brother and the onslaught of robots that have started to arrive.
00:16:07
johngrimsmo
Amazing.
00:16:16
johngrimsmo
Yes. Okay. Pick one, start.
00:16:20
John
I gotta i gotta to get this one off the checklist. um We had a visit from a guy named Nico, awesome guy. I know some other folks that listen know who he is. Formerly worked at aerospace company A, he is now moving to aerospace company B, and he was swinging through the oh Ohio area. So he stopped by for lunch a couple weeks ago.
00:16:39
John
Awesome to hang out with him and have him see the shop. And we were talking about a classic disclaimer of me, paraphrase, paraphrasing at the risk of incorrectly stating something, but talking about the measuring the hardness of anodizing.
00:16:54
johngrimsmo
Okay.
00:16:54
John
um So. Hard coat versus type two versus type three is just has to with the thickness. and and Anodizing is a self-terminating process. So again, caveat, but the only way you get hard coat is by keeping things cooler so that it doesn't terminate as quickly.
00:17:09
John
It just as thicker, which is not, which is not nothing, but it's not like it's a completely different
00:17:10
johngrimsmo
Okay.
Aerospace Manufacturing Insights
00:17:15
John
process.
00:17:15
John
The temperatures are for sure different, the voltages, the times, but like, it's kind of like more of the same thing. And it's still unbelievably thin.
00:17:20
johngrimsmo
Interesting. Yeah.
00:17:22
John
um and asine is is you know very very thin so the idea of a hardness test which literally the definition of a rockwell test is how a ball deforms into a material you could have a i'll make this up one micron thickness skin over unbelievably soft aluminum and you push the ball in there for the rockwell test and the majority of the result of that is going to be from the deformation or cratering of the substrate, the aluminum below it, right?
00:17:54
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:17:55
John
And so he was saying basically like yep, you're exactly right. Here's how they measure analyzing hardness. And I don't actually understand this, but we were at lunch. I didn't want to like, ask him to really mansplain it to me.
00:18:06
John
Um, but what I gathered was if you have a, if you're like, okay, I'm holding up one, two, three blocks. So normally you would just do a rock hole test on the face of it. And that tells you what your answer is. He was saying you would tip the part up on its side and there's like a one thou edge exposing the anodizer.
00:18:22
John
or maybe you have to machine a thing into it and you find the thickness of the anodizing that's something like a thousandths an inch thick. And there is a special metrology tool that measures the hardness of the anodizing such that the hardness test is conducted through the full, it'd be like standing to stick a stick of gum up straight up and measuring actually through the stick of gum, right?
00:18:34
johngrimsmo
Oh.
00:18:43
John
Have you heard of this?
00:18:44
johngrimsmo
That's crazy. No.
00:18:46
John
Okay. Well, we'll see if we get some clarifications after I've talked about it today.
00:18:51
johngrimsmo
To what end? Curiosity, hard code versus regular code. what What are you trying to accomplish?
00:18:58
John
Actually, it's a great question. I don't exactly know the specifics of it with with them. i do know we did a fair amount of work. ah Actually, kind of a ah point of pride, pretty fun part of our story here.
00:19:13
John
We have done... a lot of fixturing work for some of the household name um aerospace companies. So some of the ah some of the spaceships that you see go up now on CNN um are the engines or parts of the engines are actually fixtured and put together on our fixture plates.
00:19:32
johngrimsmo
Nice.
00:19:34
John
And then we've made from that, um you know, we quote unquote don't do job shop work anymore. And that is true. The caveat is that like some of these things that they need are almost exactly like a fixture plate. For example, there's like things that go on the end of a giant nozzle, which is basically a fixture plate because it has mounting holes and it's flat and it's big and then it needs to be anodized.
00:19:52
John
There needs to be requirements on how it can be moved and handled and so forth. And so we've done a number of that stuff over the years. Oftentimes out of like raw material that we already keep on stock for fixture plates, that kind of stuff.
00:20:06
John
So I know some of it had to do with their making this up, but like they are so strict about ah FOD, foreign object debris.
00:20:18
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:20:18
John
I'm guessing it might also just be like, they can't have a situation where a scratch could actually carve, shave up a piece of aluminum, but then, so maybe need it for that reason. I don't know.
00:20:28
johngrimsmo
Are these some of the things you're making potentially going on the Rockets 2 space or all tooling for shops?
00:20:36
John
100% no. um i To my knowledge, that we have never made anything that's flight ready or flight worthy.
00:20:41
johngrimsmo
You'd have to be like approved for that.
00:20:43
John
I would assume so. The fact that we don't know tells you how unqualified we are.
00:20:46
johngrimsmo
Yeah, sure.
00:20:48
John
And in fact, most of our stuff ends up getting anodized a specific color, which clarifies that it's not flight worthy. But there was a everyday astronaut video showing a um assembly at the Blue Origin.
00:20:54
johngrimsmo
Interesting.
00:21:00
John
I'm sure I can say this because it's a YouTube video. Everyday toured with Bezos at the Blue Origin facility and the like giant rocket, the thing that's, you know, the size of Saturn 5 type size thing is tipped over and on the end of it are a bunch of red plates that are all made here.
00:21:16
johngrimsmo
Oh, no way.
00:21:17
John
Yeah.
00:21:18
johngrimsmo
That is so cool.
00:21:21
johngrimsmo
Huh. Yeah, i never thought of you having to conform to outside vendor requirements.
00:21:27
John
Post-anno RA requirements.
00:21:28
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:21:29
John
Yeah, for sure.
00:21:30
johngrimsmo
Interesting.
00:21:31
John
Ceiling port requirements on that stuff.
00:21:33
johngrimsmo
Yeah, sure.
00:21:34
John
um we Some weird stuff.
00:21:35
johngrimsmo
But in an interesting way, it steps up your guys' skill and knowledge and game to be able to provide these things. um yeah Yeah, we can do that. No problem.
00:21:43
John
Yeah, yeah. um
00:21:47
johngrimsmo
Nice.
00:21:48
John
Okay, Norseman blades, heat treat.
00:21:50
johngrimsmo
Yeah, real quick. um Heatreat is weird and makes metal do weird things. And grain structure is a real thing and it is variable. um So right now when we make a Norseman blade, i don't have one here to show you, but um
00:22:09
johngrimsmo
in the blade where the stop pins go, is this arc that's... Oh, you do have a blade out. I'm like...
00:22:18
John
I also keep Old Norseman ladies in my top
00:22:21
johngrimsmo
I love it. I love it. So the arc, there's the pivot hole, and then there's the arc where the stop pins go, ah about 180 degree arc, and the web of material out beyond that arc,
00:22:26
John
Yep. Yep.
00:22:32
johngrimsmo
um
00:22:32
John
Like this thin part here.
00:22:33
johngrimsmo
ye is
00:22:34
John
Okay.
00:22:35
johngrimsmo
those features are moving in Heatreat.
00:22:37
John
Okay.
00:22:38
johngrimsmo
The holes are getting closer or farther apart, and it's variable blade to blade. um And it's one of those things we didn't really notice it until we did notice it, and then we can't unnotice it.
00:22:47
John
Yeah, right.
00:22:48
johngrimsmo
right You can't unsee it. um And that's ah that's a recurring theme in our shop. It's like, oh, I didn't. Now I can't unsee it. um So I've now eliminated those features from the soft milling program, and then we heat treat them without those features, and then we're going to hard mill those features.
00:23:01
John
and
00:23:04
johngrimsmo
It's the same thing.
00:23:05
John
Like the whole slide?
00:23:06
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:23:06
John
Oh, God.
00:23:07
johngrimsmo
so same thing we do on our Fjell. um And we've been doing it super successfully with a Moldino hard milling high feed end mill.
00:23:09
John
Okay.
00:23:13
John
Yeah. Yep.
00:23:14
johngrimsmo
And it just works great. And I've been avoiding too much hard milling for very long time. But we've proven it on the Fjell. It works amazing now. Use the right tools, the right speeds and feeds. And it it is like a game changer. You can't just use regular carbide and expect it to last for a long time.
00:23:30
johngrimsmo
um So we're in the current currently, I have my program written. We just have to make some of those D featured blades, send them through Heat Treat. um Angela's written up these ECN reports, this engineering change notification, um or manufacturing change requests, a couple different versions of it, which is basically an experiment form.
00:23:44
John
Oh, fancy.
00:23:52
johngrimsmo
That's a piece of paper printed out. I will say, John, on this date, I changed these things.
00:23:55
John
Yep.
00:23:57
johngrimsmo
goes with these eight blades. This piece of paper needs to live with these eight blades through the shop so that when it comes back to here, the next guy doesn't just run them like normal because they're not normal.
00:24:01
John
Mm-hmm.
00:24:08
johngrimsmo
In this case, they're clearly different, but it could be like a tiny little change that doesn't is not visible.
00:24:11
John
Sure.
00:24:13
johngrimsmo
And you want to make sure.
00:24:14
John
That's
00:24:15
johngrimsmo
So we're trying to teach the whole team to like when this happens, this needs to happen. This needs to be gospel. Like this piece of paper needs to live with these parts. with a hold stop at this stage for this person to approve.
00:24:26
John
point. Mm-hmm.
00:24:26
johngrimsmo
And it's working really well. We've done that for a bunch of different projects and it provides clarity. Everybody knows everybody adds their their signature date and time at their stage, completed heat treat then.
00:24:37
johngrimsmo
um The other benefit to dating absolutely everything
Quality Control and IoT Integration
00:24:42
johngrimsmo
is if blades get heat treated it and then they sit in machining for a month, I know they got signed off in heat treating a month ago because Larry signed it then.
00:24:50
johngrimsmo
be like, man, that's like you actually have the data, not the memory to know this has been here for a month.
00:24:53
John
Yes.
00:24:55
johngrimsmo
Why haven't we done this yet?
00:24:56
John
Right.
00:24:57
johngrimsmo
You know, why haven't I written the program to take it to the next step? Oh, I've been lazy. um So yeah, I still got to write the hard milling program, but I'm basically just copy and pasting settings from the Fjell to do that.
00:25:09
johngrimsmo
And it's it's one of those things that's been under the radar. We make it work. It hasn't been a problem, but sometimes it is a problem. And I think maybe it's been a problem more than we thought it was, these features growing and moving and stuff like that.
00:25:21
John
Mm-hmm.
00:25:23
johngrimsmo
um So I'm excited to try that theory.
00:25:27
John
The paperwork, like the MCR whatever, do you have runners or paperwork with every product or is it only on the special occasions?
00:25:30
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:25:34
johngrimsmo
Just on the special stuff.
00:25:35
John
Okay.
00:25:35
johngrimsmo
Yep. Yep.
00:25:36
John
Yeah. Got it.
00:25:37
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:25:37
John
Um, what I was going to add, if it was helpful, um, is we bought a ream of yellow paper. And so to the extent that we have paper that goes with things, we just normally use white paper like everybody else, but then it's makes it nice because anytime we print something in yellow, everybody just knows, I didn't know what's it, what I'm missing, but clearly something is different about that one.
00:25:47
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:25:55
johngrimsmo
Interesting. Well, we use yellow Post-it notes for everything. So there's there's a lot of yellow shop ah yellow around the shop.
00:26:00
John
Ooh. Okay.
00:26:01
johngrimsmo
Not as a not as a warning, just as like
00:26:02
John
Yeah.
00:26:05
johngrimsmo
easy, convenient, sticky paper.
00:26:07
John
Yeah. Can I ask why not rough machine this, even if you're leaving 50, like a substantial amount?
00:26:14
johngrimsmo
um The strategy for hard milling might change a little bit. like I want to use a high feed end mill, which cuts downward pretty much.
00:26:22
John
Yeah. ah Sure. Sure.
00:26:23
johngrimsmo
so So leaving the meat is better than leaving a little wall that you're high feeding down.
00:26:28
John
Mm-hmm.
00:26:28
johngrimsmo
um Although you could just use a corner radius end mill and do it that way instead.
00:26:32
John
Yeah.
00:26:33
johngrimsmo
But I probably can do it faster with the high feed. Maybe not because you only step down like three thou at a time. So takes time, minutes, minutes, but but it should be good.
00:26:42
John
yeah Yeah.
00:26:45
John
Good. Awesome.
00:26:47
johngrimsmo
Yeah, it made me realize... For a couple of years now, we've been hard milling those features, all the critical features, um but I think in a way that's producing not perfect results.
00:26:59
johngrimsmo
And our CMM is kind of proving that on the Norseman.
00:27:01
John
On the PLs, you mean?
00:27:04
johngrimsmo
um
00:27:05
John
You've hardmailing them. Oh, but it, sorry.
00:27:06
johngrimsmo
So when we soft mill them, we leave, say, 10 thou where the pins hit and 10 thou in the locking surface and 10 thou in the detent hole, something like that.
00:27:14
John
Mm-hmm.
00:27:16
johngrimsmo
And then we go in and we kiss them with the hard milling tools. And that works good, but it's based on picking up the feature from the pivot hole. So we probe the pivot hole and then we machine those things, but there could be a rotational element involved, a lot of different things.
00:27:27
John
Yeah, right, right, right, right.
00:27:29
johngrimsmo
So this is kind of that next level of like for consistency, warp, hole spacing, et cetera. Let's just machine it all at once.
00:27:38
John
Making all the features there. Yeah. Right. Right.
00:27:39
johngrimsmo
Yeah, yeah.
00:27:40
John
So the blaze were already getting post heat treat hard build anyways.
00:27:43
johngrimsmo
yeah Yeah, for years we've been doing that.
00:27:44
John
Yeah, exactly. Right. right
00:27:45
johngrimsmo
But this is like the next level, which is quite a bit of time and investment to um to do, which sounds weird because all we're doing is not machining two things, but it it changes quite a lot of things.
00:27:51
John
Right.
00:27:55
John
Yeah. Yep.
00:27:58
johngrimsmo
But it's been working so well on the Fjell that I'm like, okay, it's time to apply this to everything else because we're wasting our time on the Norsemen not doing it this way.
00:28:08
John
100% and like just completely love hard knowing.
00:28:09
johngrimsmo
Yeah, so...
00:28:11
John
It's like, it's just incredible.
00:28:11
johngrimsmo
Yeah, oh totally.
00:28:12
John
Yeah.
00:28:13
johngrimsmo
Once you get good at it, it's like, well, why doesn't everybody do this? Well, because I've been doing it wrong for the past five years. and
00:28:21
John
Yeah. Yeah. um
00:28:29
John
Silly ah frustration slash PSA. I got a new computer a month ago. It's Windows 11. And I came in this morning. It's like, you need to update your password. And my old password like didn't work to log me in. I'm locked out of my own computer. I know my password.
00:28:42
John
I'm like, what is going on? And then I called the computer guy. He's like, oh, like you actually just hit enter. I'm like, what only says cancel on the screen is like just hit enter. It'll skip through it.
00:28:50
johngrimsmo
No way.
00:28:51
John
And I'm just like, you know, you know, tipping the what is it? Throwing some shade at Microsoft. It's like, dude, this is ridiculous.
00:28:57
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:28:57
John
So there's a there's a regedit that he's to send me to, like, stop you from asking for a password update thing like that.
00:29:02
johngrimsmo
Okay.
00:29:03
John
But I was like, are you kidding Come on.
00:29:04
johngrimsmo
No way.
00:29:07
johngrimsmo
Huh.
00:29:08
John
But on a more exciting note, um I want to come back briefly to Home Assistant to share what I've learned.
00:29:08
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:29:14
John
um I haven't done anything really to merit more progress, but I also want to say thank you to, I think we had more people reach out on Home Assistant than maybe anything else I've had before, including Matt, Kurt, Simon, Craig, Bill, Todd, Joe, and probably missing some.
00:29:23
johngrimsmo
No way.
00:29:30
John
And I actually had a call with one of those gentlemen and yesterday who's done an incredible job, actually ah a neighbor of yours in the Canada land.
00:29:38
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:29:38
John
And really, really cool examples of using both Home Assistant and webcams. um I got really excited about it. so And now I need to temper my expectations and actually go put some work in.
00:29:52
John
But he was also using software called Frigate, which is... separate software on the same PC and it can also talk to Linux CNC and it is a, um, it has the ability to analyze your video feed from like your real link cameras.
00:30:07
John
And it has, think he paid 50 bucks a year, some amount for it, but it has a, um, AI mode and, um, What he was able to do was train it on his front door.
00:30:19
John
I'll make this up, but like, okay, after a week of going through and reviewing some footage, that person's Amazon driver, that's UPS driver, that's the trash guy, those are all fine. And now if it sees somebody that doesn't match a profile of an Amazon worker, then it's like, hey, somebody we don't know is coming up to the front door.
00:30:35
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:30:36
John
It can even then like detect, hey, it's Wednesday morning, that's your trash day. I see the trash can is by the house, not out by the driveway or street.
00:30:42
johngrimsmo
No way.
00:30:42
John
And like so that technology is here today. So like the whole dumpster diving thing, it can be like, OK, but anytime it's dark out, if we see somebody at all, then you can flag it, email it, record the footage, copy it into a folder.
00:30:45
johngrimsmo
Okay.
00:30:56
John
Same thing with the automation side. um you know you can use AI now on the camera feed. I don't know if i will, but you could, I think to like say, Hey, is the part still there in the gripper or in the vice? And if it's not there, flag, flag it and dump that footage into a folder to review the next morning.
00:31:13
johngrimsmo
okay
00:31:15
John
Yeah.
00:31:16
johngrimsmo
That's cool.
00:31:16
John
Um,
00:31:16
johngrimsmo
I'm super excited to see where you take this.
00:31:18
John
Yes. The other thing i learned, actually, it's not Trivam done anything. I bought some IoT devices and I bought the very, very common TP-Link.
00:31:22
johngrimsmo
And we're already coming up his latest, Chris Jansen and Marilyn Burlund.
00:31:27
John
There's another name as well to them. I think they were 20 bucks for four packs.
00:31:30
johngrimsmo
Approach all across the roadside intersection of slope.
00:31:31
John
So they're way cheaper than the Alexa plugs. These are smart plugs, but still...
00:31:33
johngrimsmo
On-come the cycle of 10. Before making any turn
00:31:36
John
What I hated was I bought these plugs and then the first thing you have to do is create some account with some other company. TP-Link is more reputable, but some of these are pretty like sketchy, often non-English services that, you know, I have to create an account for them. I'm assuming that you're using their cloud.
00:31:50
John
Like I just don't love all of this.
00:31:52
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:31:52
John
And it's it's not because I'm tinfoil hat. It's just like, this isn't what I want. So um the answer to that is there are... a plethora of devices that run yeah ESP home.
00:32:03
John
There's a bunch of different ESP chip sets. And I've heard of these and now the pieces are starting to click. This is finally getting to the point where these are more fully baked.
00:32:09
johngrimsmo
Okay, yes.
00:32:11
John
um There's Shelly, there are other companies that make these ESP home devices where You plug it into a usb computer USB cable to your computer, you set your Wi-Fi info on it, and now it works on your local network.
00:32:25
John
No cloud, no subscription, no as outside network requirement.
00:32:25
johngrimsmo
okay yes
00:32:28
John
um And that to me is exactly what I love because then I don't, it's just you controlling all this stuff.
00:32:32
johngrimsmo
juicy, most watering meat. Whether your go-to cover meal is a homemade stew or a shepherd's pie, throw the barbecue in a plate, a place for meals.
00:32:37
John
So that's on my to-do list is to start learning more about the ESP devices.
00:32:41
johngrimsmo
I know you're a fresh, it's not figure-of-finger, it's all you find, they're fresh and so most flavorful meat.
00:32:41
John
That also answered my question, like, as long as you're willing to use Wi-Fi, you don't need the Zigbee or the Z-Wave stuff that is much lower battery consumption, but it just, it gets more complicated.
00:32:46
johngrimsmo
So different kinds of meat, pork, chicken, lamb, ground meat, and even our own eating sauce. Plus, sauce has more seasoning,
00:32:53
John
It doesn't mean it is complicated. It's just, I'm going to stick to ESP32. um
00:32:57
johngrimsmo
Well, the stuff you're attempting is probably not need to be wireless, like battery-operated wireless, is it? You could plug it in.
00:33:06
John
Yes. Great point. I do not plan to have much that's truly wireless. Although he also showed me some e-ink stuff that was pretty freaking cool, but it that's like 2.0.
00:33:16
johngrimsmo
Yep,
00:33:19
John
I need to push that stuff. like this is I'm talking out loud you. This is me telling you I need to like keep...
00:33:21
johngrimsmo
yep.
00:33:24
John
I need to set goals that I know I can accomplish. So it's like, okay, I'm getting I'm going to put Linux on it. That way I can have a more ah beefy computer to run some video analysis with Frigate. And i got Home Assistant set up easily to like start turning and off switches. That was no problem, but that was on an RPi.
00:33:42
John
Next step is to get on a real computer.
00:33:43
johngrimsmo
Yeah. Yeah, I find with this, I, I, As I grow, I tend to take more time stepping back and be like, what is the actual goal? Like, what am I trying to do here? Because you fall so down deep deep down the rabbit hole that you're like, that's cool. That's cool. That's cool. I didn't need to know about that, but it was cool.
00:34:02
johngrimsmo
And then now that, you know, I definitely realized the value of time.
00:34:02
John
Yes.
00:34:07
johngrimsmo
I'm like, okay, well, what am I, what is the end goal here? Like, what am I trying to accomplish? Why do I need to know this? I'll go deep as deep as I need to go as long as it's in the right direction.
00:34:16
John
I'm glad you said that because that's exactly what I'm trying to keep myself on track for.
00:34:20
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:34:21
John
But there's also that aspect of like what you said of like you're here because you, you do this because you want to be curious and hungry. And like somebody just mentioned, I think it was Dylan within tolerance that um bamboos are now supporting home assistant.
00:34:35
John
So it's like, okay, great. I can have tower light that turns on when any of my bamboos finish or or emails me when one of them at home is done so I can go swap the printout.
00:34:41
johngrimsmo
Yes.
00:34:45
John
Like, I just am so excited about what this could be.
00:34:49
johngrimsmo
yeah Love it.
00:34:51
John
Yeah, pretty fired up.
00:34:56
johngrimsmo
um give you a quick update on my foam foam spearmint uh spent the past few days designing i think i told you about static mixer versus dynamic mixer so i designed my dynamic mixer which attaches to the end of a static mixer so i get static mixing and then i get a little turbine that will blend it together without introducing extra air um because when i'm hand mixing it i'm fluffing in air And Smooth-On says you want that, but I want to know what a clean mixed purge will look like with no air, no additional air, because then theoretically the chemicals are creating their own bubbles that should all be the right size.
00:35:34
John
then
00:35:35
johngrimsmo
um So that's the experiment. So it's like done, it's printed, it's beautiful. um Each dynamic mixer will be a throwaway item that's glued to the throwaway static mixer, but it's 30 cents worth of filament.
00:35:44
John
and
00:35:48
johngrimsmo
um far And I've got a little DC gear motor on top with a planetary gear set that spins it, I think, 730 RPM with some shafts that go right to the thing. And it's a pretty slick design. I'm like, I'm really happy with how it came together.
00:36:01
johngrimsmo
um I also used my 15 minute time tracker throughout this whole project. So the designing the the dynamic mixer, I'm adding to my notes.
00:36:12
johngrimsmo
Remember, I can only add three words in my notepad.
00:36:15
John
i I don't remember that.
00:36:17
johngrimsmo
Well, because I have i have no room.
00:36:20
John
But i but maybe i was' maybe I was just being a bad friend and not listening. I remember you talking a lot about this.
00:36:24
johngrimsmo
it's okay.
00:36:25
John
I don't remember you saying the three-word part.
00:36:26
johngrimsmo
So in my notes, because I have three columns per page of my notebook defining the entire day, and I need so much space to write 1145 to 12. So I pretty much only have three words of space to say.
00:36:37
John
Got it.
00:36:37
johngrimsmo
So i'm I've gotten really good about... kind of wording things so that I can group them together. Even if a project shifts, I can be like, so like i got video, video review, video review, little bit later, video prep, video prep, video prep, video film, video film.
00:36:52
johngrimsmo
And then I have this video category that's like whatever. So I was able to look back and how long did it take me to design this dynamic mixer? including fusion time, research, looking at other dynamic mixers.
00:37:03
johngrimsmo
I found 3M makes one and I copied them almost identically, which was awesome.
00:37:07
John
Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:08
johngrimsmo
Awesome that I could do that. um And I got 12 hours into designing and making the first prototype, which kind of feels like a super lot to me because like it's just a 3D print. It should be able to do in like an hour, but no, like designing something real intricate, like takes actual time. And I've never tracked my time.
00:37:27
johngrimsmo
So it's it's weird and interesting to do that. um And then if you go so bold to attach a dollar figure to that time, whether it's the actual money you pay yourself in a day or the imaginary, like, I should be worth so much money. It's kind of a really stupid number.
00:37:43
johngrimsmo
However, I think it's going to work awesome. So I will find out tonight if it if it blends the material really really well.
00:37:51
John
Oh, okay. You're pretty one. and Now is that what you mean by tonight?
00:37:54
johngrimsmo
it's It's done. It's assembled. I need to glue the pieces together, but it's ah it's it's ready to extrude and test.
00:37:56
John
Ah, okay.
00:38:00
johngrimsmo
So I'm excited.
00:38:00
John
Yes.
00:38:01
johngrimsmo
I think it's going really good.
00:38:01
John
Cool. Good.
00:38:03
johngrimsmo
And it cost me no dollars, but 12 hours of time to accomplish this.
00:38:06
John
Yeah.
00:38:07
johngrimsmo
The next stage after this, it's like once I have the results from this, then I can move forward with investing in some things like that. If this is a complete and utter failure, then maybe I look at you know pulling back on the project a little bit. So this this was a good test. Angelo actually got me into this. He's like, well, you have a good theory. How do you test it without buying a whole bunch more stuff and getting deeper into the rabbit hole?
00:38:31
johngrimsmo
i was like, okay, I need a dynamic mixer. Okay, done. Spend my weekend you know designing that, and here we are, ready to test.
00:38:39
John
Fail fast, fail cheap, right?
00:38:41
johngrimsmo
Hmm.
00:38:44
John
So you're, what well, okay, what is the end goal? Like what the absolute home run is that Grimso and Knives is in a full scale production of every foam case that's bespoke to its product line with its own molds, it's making hundreds or thousands of these a year.
00:38:54
johngrimsmo
Correct.
00:38:58
johngrimsmo
Yep.
Customer Experience and Robotics in Manufacturing
00:38:59
John
Okay.
00:38:59
johngrimsmo
Exactly. Which if if everything works out, i do have the vision in my head that this could work extremely well. And i I have felt this from the beginning and I kind of still feel like it if I can get it all to work, it will be 10 times cheaper and 10 times faster for each full insert than what we're currently spending.
00:39:15
John
Really? Dang.
00:39:16
johngrimsmo
Yeah. Which is pretty significant.
00:39:18
John
Control. Yeah, yeah, right, right. yeah Part of me loves it because it's so you and like the packaging. Packaging absolutely matters. I would never discount that.
00:39:28
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:39:29
John
But there is an argument like it doesn't make the beer taste better. But I don't think that's true because it is part of your experience of buying and owning and using one.
00:39:36
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:39:38
John
Like I still put my Norseman back in the case because it's such a good case. And I would never throw out my Saga case because it's too freaking cool.
00:39:43
johngrimsmo
Good to know. Right.
00:39:46
John
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:48
johngrimsmo
Yep, and I don't want to be, like, you know, whenever you buy anything from the store, even for a new cell phone or something like that, it's like it comes in a half decent package. Sometimes they come in nice packages, whatever you're buying, and you keep just bunch and bunch of stuff on the shelf that most of it's garbage, but you can't really bring yourself to throw it away.
00:40:05
johngrimsmo
And i our our case is so nice. Nobody's ever going to throw it away. You just, it's part of the product. Some people, I hope, um you know strip it down and use it for something else, but it's also just part of that experience. it's like It's a home for that product.
00:40:19
johngrimsmo
And I know some of our customers who have a lot of our products have a lot of these cases.
00:40:22
John
Yeah, right.
00:40:24
johngrimsmo
but
00:40:25
John
there was some There was some joke sort of meme that hit hard. It's like, if you know you're 40 if you've kept every iPhone case you've bought over the years. for no And it's like, yeah, I'm guilty of that too. Like, why?
00:40:34
johngrimsmo
Yep, yep.
00:40:34
John
Like, you trade it in or you sell Nobody cares. Like, it doesn't matter. But like, for some reason, I can't throw away the iPhone case, which is not nearly as, I mean, they're well done, but they're not. It's still cardboard. Like, yours is beautiful.
00:40:44
johngrimsmo
Exactly. Yeah.
00:40:45
John
Yeah.
00:40:45
johngrimsmo
Like my, my new Samsung phone. I, um, I had the case on my desk for like, like a week and I looked at it yeah the other day and I was like, I do not need to keep this. I'll keep the receipt. I'll put it over here, but, uh, gone garbage.
00:40:57
John
You got new phone. Okay.
00:40:58
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:41:00
John
Is it improved quality life or just whatever?
00:41:02
johngrimsmo
Dude, scrolling Instagram. Oh yeah, I guess I got it after we talked. know. I had both phones side by side and I'm scrolling my same feed on Instagram and my old phone is so laggy. I didn't even know my new phone is jumpy and fast and like responsive and switching between apps and switching between features on Instagram. And I'm like, holy cow, what was, what of was I doing with my life? i was literally dealing with this lag that I just accepted.
00:41:30
johngrimsmo
And the new one is just right. I'm like, Whoa.
00:41:34
John
I'll be honest. I feel like I might like, I might want to buy your old phone off you. Cause I, um, continue to find myself just wanting to put more distance between, like, I don't want a better phone. I want a worse phone.
00:41:44
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:41:45
John
Yeah.
00:41:45
johngrimsmo
For what reason?
00:41:45
John
Yeah.
00:41:46
johngrimsmo
To keep you off of it more?
00:41:48
John
yeah keep Yeah. And I'm, I am way, way, way better at it.
00:41:49
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:41:51
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:41:51
John
Um, but, um, I, yeah, but like, i mean, this is,
00:41:52
johngrimsmo
That's a you thing.
00:41:56
johngrimsmo
But a personal discipline thing, not so much the tech being responsible. I don't
00:42:03
John
You're not wrong, but there is a like behavioral training that's happened across society. I don't look, this is off topic and I don't want to sit here and complain about it, but like, you know, are we're getting at this awkward age with our kids where they have friends over and our kids don't have phones. And like, if their friends will bring phones, you'll just look over and it'll be zombies.
00:42:20
John
They're all sitting on the couch doing their own things, scrolling their own thing. Like this isn't, want to be careful because I'm sure my parents could say the same thing about our generation was like the first Nintendos came out and So I guess kids are wasting their time on TVs and Nintendos and ends up that like the kind social aspect of life and had probably very little correlation to like who became successful and who became criminals.
00:42:41
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:42:42
John
But like, man, it just doesnt doesn't sit right with me.
00:42:45
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:42:48
John
Anyway.
00:42:51
John
I am recording a video that I finally figured out on the whole like absolute no, um no customized code, no quirky pass-throughs to probe a random spot.
00:43:05
John
a park doesn't matter what that spot is, probe it, do all your work and come back and check if that spot moved for like, for heat tree warping reasons, for vacuum fixturing, for superglut fixturing or for material stresses or compromise fixturing, all that stuff.
00:43:10
johngrimsmo
in me
00:43:19
John
I'm really happy that it's like a, it's pretty simple, but I'd say most people, I mean, we certainly struggle with it. And once you see you're okay, yeah, that all makes sense.
00:43:29
johngrimsmo
Is this within fusion or did you write your own subprogram or something nice?
00:43:33
John
No, it's all with infusion. Yeah, but it's, the well, the spoiling the big trick. The big trick is that um patterns in Fusion are actually just, well, patterns and folders are kind of the same thing.
00:43:48
John
You might know this, I think most people don't. A folder is effectively a pattern without a pattern. And so when you put operations in a folder, that folder, you can then have a different offset applied to that folder, which, yes, you can, yeah.
00:43:54
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:44:00
johngrimsmo
Even for a non-patterned folder, I did not know that. Because i know when you create a folder and you go options, you can turn on pattern. and or not. I didn't know you could all upset.
00:44:09
John
look at but at Look at the second tab. um
00:44:11
johngrimsmo
Oh.
00:44:12
John
So this is the what I want to do like in life. This is not going to be a home run video. It's to have a ton of views. I don't care. It's going to be well done, five, six minutes long, full of just the exact information and use case.
00:44:24
John
You can use it as you see fit to show how to set that up in Fusion.
00:44:26
johngrimsmo
Mm-hmm.
00:44:29
johngrimsmo
And that's what you should be doing with your life. That's, this is the kind of stuff, really cool stuff that you learn that can be applied to a handful of people out there and enjoyed by many others.
00:44:31
John
Yeah. Yeah, great. Great.
00:44:38
johngrimsmo
And it's just helpful. Yeah.
00:44:43
John
And then our first, are we've named our robots by the states that they're coming from.
00:44:43
johngrimsmo
you
00:44:46
John
So we have the we have the Idaho robot, the Michigan robot, and the Pennsylvania robot.
00:44:47
johngrimsmo
No way.
00:44:51
John
the The Michigan robot showed up yesterday and is now under power.
00:44:55
johngrimsmo
Are you buying them all used pretty much as you can?
00:44:56
John
ah
00:44:58
John
They all had been purchased but are not here yet. And yet all are used.
00:45:04
johngrimsmo
I'll use yeah. Yeah.
00:45:05
John
Yeah.
00:45:05
johngrimsmo
Great.
00:45:06
John
yeah um And the Idaho robot is actually technically an Illinois robot that went to Idaho with our integrator. um And then the Pennsylvania robot just need to get according to the logistics of pickup or shipping. But...
00:45:19
johngrimsmo
So once the integrator integrates, he doesn't need to see every robot, right? Okay. Why see the first one at all?
00:45:26
John
Yeah.
00:45:28
John
So um we we had a great...
00:45:30
johngrimsmo
Gene and Ridge Gaps are working together to bring more for your multiple grades to your competitive areas.
00:45:34
John
So far, it's been great with lights out. um
00:45:36
johngrimsmo
You can get free inspiration, free drafts, free appliances,
00:45:37
John
That's who we're using there, the folks in in Idaho. And i don't want to speak for them, but they, what they do well would be to sell a turnkey integration package, which is quite common. And they would work great for somebody who has, wants an integrator to just give them a turnkey. Like everybody knows what turnkey is.
00:45:54
John
I'm frankly, didn't want to pay for a turnkey and I don't need a turnkey. And I want to know, like, we're going to want to do things differently. We're to reprogram it. We're gonna scale and all that. And they're like, well, um big paraphrase.
00:46:04
johngrimsmo
with local run times. Right now, we're seeing the speed of the battery.
00:46:06
John
like yeah, you're not our average customer. Like, you know how to, you know, we already have a UR on the Willamond.
00:46:08
johngrimsmo
Purchase of any of the cases that are cheats on set or close.
00:46:10
John
We set up lots of machines, fixtures, like we know all that stuff.
00:46:12
johngrimsmo
Nice deal. A manual upgrade, full-length old fairly hardware, more for the loader, and TC power equipment.
00:46:14
John
So they just basically broke down piecemeal a lot of the stuff. And then we did it all at cart. But a big part of what they do is have a... um set up to all the IO for the end effectors to control um the the, there's no real secret sauce here other than um using the end effector to then load the part,
00:46:30
johngrimsmo
Good.
00:46:38
John
like pick it up out of a rack, drop it to re-rack it to pick it up better, load it in. And then with the UR, the all the 10 E models or the E models and then the newer, newer ones have very, very good force detecting. So you can use them as call it like a 5,000 probe, if you will. So the robot can immediately just touch off touch the part and say, okay, yep, it's in the right place or it's not in the right place.
00:46:59
johngrimsmo
to
00:47:01
John
um Combined with their vice actuator means you have normal full-stroke use of a Curt-style vice versus pneumatic vices that only open a small amount. So they'll end up shipping us something that is not quite a turnkey but pretty close um with all the pneumatic fittings installed and all
00:47:17
johngrimsmo
Okay.
00:47:17
John
And then we can replicate that over time.
00:47:18
johngrimsmo
Got it. That makes sense. All the possible inputs and outputs you're going to want on your end effector, they kind of bake it all in for you.
00:47:21
John
yeah
00:47:27
John
Bingo, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:47:27
johngrimsmo
love it and are you buying the same robot like a uartene or whatever for each every you're always going to buy that or
00:47:35
John
Two of them are 10Es, which is really what we want. And we got a, like, too-good-to-pass-up deal on 10, which doesn't have the same force stuff, and so I don't know.
00:47:40
johngrimsmo
and
00:47:45
John
It'll stick around too long, but it made sense for now to have one.
00:47:49
johngrimsmo
Yeah, like, is there a benefit in standardizing from the get, like, everything's the same? Or is there flexibility and modularity to, you know, choosing different stuff?
00:48:00
John
I think that lot of the learning is going to be on the UR workflow and they're not hard to program. Courtney's already got ours right within a few hours here, started to run it.
00:48:11
John
um So that I'm assuming on the newer ones, that same GUI will apply. And certainly the same logic of like, how do I want to, do I want to pick up the part with a magnet or ah a pneumatic or a physical g gripper? Do I want to repick it?
00:48:25
John
um Grant, actually Grant knocked out of the park. He made this this thing. um We wanted to pick up a small part in the Williman. And it's it's a steel part, so it's it's magnetic or responds to a magnet.
00:48:39
John
What do you call that? Ferris? I don't know.
00:48:40
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:48:42
John
But we didn't have any feature of the part exposed. It was being held effectively flush in the octu vice.
00:48:47
johngrimsmo
OK.
00:48:48
John
How the heck do you pick up a part like that?
00:48:49
johngrimsmo
Yeah, you can't pinch it.
00:48:51
John
can't pinch it. So he, uh, I don't, I think he got some help from somewhere. So apologies. I'm not giving credit due, but, um, maybe, maybe he did come with this up on his own. Either way, 3d print pneumatic line piston, O ring.
00:49:06
John
When the pneumatics, in a spring, when the pneumatics turn on, it pushes a magnet toward the front of the 3D print, picks up the part, moves it over.
00:49:13
johngrimsmo
Okay.
00:49:16
John
When it's over the drop spot, the pneumatics turn off, the spring pushes the magnet away from the part and the part falls into the bin.
00:49:23
johngrimsmo
I love that.
00:49:25
John
Right?
00:49:25
johngrimsmo
Oh, that is really slick.
00:49:27
John
Yes. There's a video up on our Insta, I think right now.
00:49:29
johngrimsmo
I saw it, but I didn't understand it. That helps make that helps it explain it a lot better.
00:49:31
John
Yeah.
00:49:33
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:49:34
John
Well, I wasn't even in when he did it. And he I saw it, he sent it to me i was like, did he just figure out how to put a Venturi through a 3D printed part? I'm like, there's no way that's getting picked up with a Venturi. Like, that doesn't make sense.
00:49:44
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:49:45
John
And then I'm like, oh my God, I love that.
00:49:47
johngrimsmo
It's like a retractable magnet that just hides.
00:49:49
John
Yeah.
00:49:50
johngrimsmo
I love it.
00:49:51
John
It's actually the same way those magnetic indicator bases work. The knob just rotates a cam that moves.
00:49:57
johngrimsmo
But that's through, no, it doesn't move it up or down. It changed the magnetic field.
00:50:01
John
Some of them lifts up and down.
00:50:02
johngrimsmo
ah Do they? Like, have you seen it or do you think that? Because I used to think that too. And then I did a bunch of research a few months ago and everybody's like, no, that's not at all how they work.
00:50:11
John
Um, yes.
00:50:12
johngrimsmo
there's like a cylinder inside with two different poles. And as it rotates, it changes the magnetic flux field throughout. I used to think they all lifted up away, but that's wrong.
00:50:21
John
Yes. Sorry. I think you're right. I'm sure you're right. What I think I might be thinking of is there is a, when you buy a, uh, like a, excuse me, i magnetic chuck, I do believe that lifts a platen up and down, but either way.
00:50:33
johngrimsmo
Okay. Yeah. Not fully sure. Yeah. Interesting. Cool. That is, that's a great solution. i love that.
00:50:41
John
Yeah, super excited. um Only low point is, well, not low point. We're playing musical chairs, which is a little bit stressful on all these machines. Lathe is sold, um but i need to get our I need to get our UMC sold.
00:50:51
johngrimsmo
Nice.
00:50:53
John
So I might, I need to figure out whether I need to get more marketing or more aggressive on it. But anyone listening would like to talk on a UMC 350, please reach out.
00:51:01
johngrimsmo
Any bites on the Okuma?
00:51:04
John
No, but we haven't really pushed it yet. i mean, it's on our website with prices and everything, but like, I don't want it to to leave for probably four months, maybe more.
00:51:14
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:51:15
John
Um, and I think, I think that's going to be more of a conversation with somebody about like, okay, like maybe, but like finally it's like, we actually had two people end up wanting to buy the last second and it's just like, yep, great.
00:51:27
John
Bought it. And then like be next week to like move it.
00:51:28
johngrimsmo
Amazing.
00:51:30
John
That's not a big deal.
00:51:31
johngrimsmo
Perfect.
00:51:32
johngrimsmo
Still using the Okuma like daily, pretty much.
00:51:32
John
Um,
00:51:35
John
Oh yeah.
00:51:35
johngrimsmo
The horizontal, yeah.
00:51:36
John
Horizontal also runs every day. has to. The brother that will come imminently, back then, they called me yesterday and be like hey, when do you want this thing? That will be the first start to pull parts off the horizontal, but not the last.
00:51:46
johngrimsmo
Yep. Yep. Perfect. So you've got a transitional period.
00:51:48
John
Yeah. horizontal.
00:51:50
johngrimsmo
Yeah. So if it sold and disappeared today, you'd kind of be in trouble, but in a couple months, yeah.
00:51:54
John
The horizontal.
00:51:57
John
We couldn't. Yeah, we couldn't today. Like, I hate to say it this way. if If the machine broke today, I would have to get it fixed. Well, you'd get fixed either way to sell it.
00:52:05
johngrimsmo
Yeah, fair.
00:52:06
John
But, like, no, we need it for sure.
00:52:07
johngrimsmo
Yeah, no, it's good. Cool, man. I don't know.
00:52:11
John
Yeah.
00:52:13
John
Anything else?
00:52:14
johngrimsmo
That's about all I got.
00:52:18
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:52:19
John
See you next week.
00:52:20
johngrimsmo
Sounds good, dude. All right.
00:52:22
John
Take care.
00:52:23
johngrimsmo
See you. Bye.
00:52:23
John
Bye.