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168: Bulgarian Mystic Baba Vanga
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Hope you enjoyed the last episode, and now for something completely different! Sort of, since this psychic has been known to have some spot-on visions, never took to a stage like some brothers, ahem, and may have made some other, very outlandish predictions!
Meet seer, mystic, and healer Baba Vanga, the star of this story. Point-of-view, its the early 1900's, you lost your mother and went blind, but gained some other senses.. so what do you do? Help people of course!
But also maybe you make some predictions about world wars, alien intelligence and human evolution, and agreed with Nostradamus?
It's a bumpy ride, so get comfy and get ready to listen to the life and times of the "Nostradamus of the Balkans"!
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Introduction to Sinister Story Hour and Castles and Cryptids
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Are you drawn to the dark? Do you find yourself enticed in the forbidden and ominous? Join me, Steph, as I explore all things menacing and malevolent in my podcast, Sinister Story Hour. I discuss true stories of cults and crimes with the occasional urban legend. I also dedicate episodes to missing persons in the United States.
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and you could be the missing link to provide information and clues that will help to bring them home. Join me every week for a new story. Come on in, sit down, and get ready, because it's story time.
Content Commitment and Podcasting Approaches
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You are listening to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. I'm your host, Alanna. I'm Kelsey. And we are back for another round of psychics and... Mine's more of a psychic. Okay. Psychic, spiritualist, mediums. And more. Yeah, it's like the gamut. oh I mean, it's it's tough because you don't want to lump them all together, but anyway.
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We'll get into it. There's there's differences, of course, in people's actual abilities, and some people are downright hoaxers, as we always seem to learn. ah Yeah. Damn it. um Yeah, it was really easier to get away with back in the day. I think it was part of the problem. but Absolutely. I feel like uh news just traveled mostly by word of mouth and newspapers that did not come out like every single day it's yeah the the news did travel a lot slower and now it's like that expression that i heard that i like that was
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like a lie can travel around the world before the truth can get its shoes on or some variations of that and it's just so true nowadays you know you can just post something it can go viral and it's out there the stupid like clickbait headline um when the actual information in the article that it's not really saying that but that's what they chose to put as the headline and that's what everybody reads or remembers exactly yeah oh yeah there's a lot of clickbaitery yeah going on um
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Yeah, we will never do that to you. We'll try not to. We might give the title something good sounding because you got to get a catchy title. I mean, you want to pull people in, right? But I never want to be like disingenuous as to what the actual content is. Yeah. I mean, we're called castles and cryptids and damn it, you're going to get some castles and you're going to get some cryptids and you're also going to get some history and we'll find ourselves in the history charts again because we're talking about a whole lot of other stuff.
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yeah well it goes along with castles they're old as f as f if that's a new one um yeah i forgot what i was gonna say um well welcome back if you guys are returning customers we hope you enjoyed the kind of first parter which was kelsey's case Davenport Brothers. It was fun. I called the Davenport files. I know. I liked that. I was like, this goes right. I still have to make a post on Instagram because they had some cool mustaches. I hadn't really looked at them before. They did. because Yeah. Yeah, they look wild.
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It's like you're so of the time. Yeah, so stereotypically 1800s gentlemen. There's a very big difference between that mustache and like the 70s stash, that's for sure.
Spotify and Patreon: Platform Interactions
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Oh, I know what I was gonna mention, it wasn't even anything, but when we were talking about clickbait and stuff is that, have you guys noticed on the Spotify now, they break things into sections? And it's not us, we don't do it. Like last time, we because we talked about stupid American election for a while, it was like,
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Politics and something or whatever it called like our intro part and I was like, oh I Didn't realize it was gonna call us out for what we were actually talking about Yeah, you'll have like little sections like almost like little chapters. Like yeah, have you seen that on like YouTube? Oh, yeah automatic chapters Yeah, yeah that's what it is It's weird. It divides it up for you. It does it to our episodes. I interesting. I've never noticed that, but I i also don't go on Spotify a lot. ah Yeah, it's a newer Spotify thing, like the comments they have now. Yeah, I really just go on there to and like add the episode to the website, like embed it and everything if people want to use that.
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Other than that, I didn't really go on Spotify a whole lot for the fact that on my computer, it's not even yeah it's not even my account logged in. I'm logged in under your account to access or one for the podcast. I don't even have my own logged in anywhere. Oh, probably because it used to be associated with Spotify for podcasters and that was all one. I don't know. Who knows? Yeah. And then I think Zencaster, we...
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If you log into Zentcaster, it's like logged you in into Spotify or something too. Something up with like the two of them still. Who knows? I don't know how this stuff works. We don't know what we're doing half the time. Yeah. it's we ever Did we ever have we fooled you guys into thinking if we ever knew what we were doing?
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No, but that's okay. All independent podcasters get started somewhere and some of them are like, I don't know, anyway I'm not tangenting. um Sinisterhood really impresses me. They don't have like, any like assistants or like managers helpers, the one's husband does the editing, it but like basically other than that, they're like all themselves and they make a lot of money on Patreon. I'm like, good for you. You guys are fucking funny. Yeah. Nice.
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Yeah, we've been faking it till we make it for three years now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then like, that does get me to touch on we are going to release the something on Patreon soon, I'm probably going to put out what I'm going to call the blooper cut. code Yeah, we haven't had much time to record anything extra this month. And y'all may have noticed I don't know we're we're sorry but we're trying and we're gonna I'm gonna put out some like extra stuff I have that's like some banter and some bloopers and some you know silly outtakes that may or may not involve cats. Probably. Cat shenanigans.
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Yeah, I don't know. I kind of like that stuff when people do a little extra on Patreon where you just get a little bit more of them shooting the shit and like, yeah. So if people want that, they can come over and you know, give us some donut money on Patreon.
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And yeah we'll appreciate it, eh? Yeah. But yeah. That's all well and good. And it makes a good Christmas present too. You can gift a Patreon membership, I've heard. Yes, you can. Yeah. I alia i joined somebody's Patreon the other day and it was like, gift a member. You did? Yeah, I was like, I didn't know you could do that. Very cool option.
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Yeah, there's like a YouTube reactor I like and he's been posting stuff a week early on Patreon and he's about to start a show I really like and he's just finishing up one. So I was like getting tired of waiting for the episodes. I was like, uh, okay, for a couple of weeks I'm gonna... Wow. I'm gonna do this for one month and then finish off. You don't always do that too. No, I had kind of cancelled all my other ones.
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I sometimes have to do that. It's like it depends on where I'm at financially. And that's fine. I'm sure they understand. We're all just yeah so i was like, OK, then it gets like that show done and maybe the the I'll get the start of the other show a week early. What is their name? You can give them a shout out. It's a shoot. Joins their Patreon can't recall name. Well, I have like I don't know, probably 10 movie reaction channels I watch. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, Pat and Rain do watch quite a few of those.
Exploring Reaction Channels and TV Shows
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like Rain watches the Kill Count guy. Kill Count, whatever. Yeah, I think it's... Hold on, I gotta open my YouTube.
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Check. i He's movie man 101 and he was just finish finishing up. He's just finishing up interview with a vampire, but then he's gonna start. oh Okay. Yeah, but then he's gonna start dark.
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um Oh yeah, that was a good show too. He's done Severance and everything like that. which is he like I had watched quite a few other people react to different shows and he definitely is like picking up on a lot more even.
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After by the time I watched other people reacting to even in Severance, um I had seen most of the episodes almost 10 times each and then just watching his reactions to it and the stuff he was picking up on. It it was like I hadn't seen the show before. Like I hadn't noticed anything and he's like catching all this stuff on the first try. So I was like,
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I need to watch this guy watch dark because dark is so well thought out and there's so many little details and he's like keeping notebooks of like character charts and all this stuff. I was like, okay, this is gonna be amazing. and because That show is is complex with the different times. It is so complex.
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um i I love watching those people, but i I don't think I could ever do it myself because I'm like, no du that was a great episode, you know, or like you have some thoughts, but I feel like I couldn't do it every week. Yeah.
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I feel like it could make it feel like work too because you have to rewatch and write things down and you know, it could take the fun. I worry. Yeah. Well, because like I had planned at some point to doing a rewatch to the show um to try and pick up on some more stuff, but I was like, okay, I feel like if I just wait and watch the show like as his he's reacting to it, that'll be my rewatch and then I'll never have to watch it again because I'll know everything.
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Um, not like severance, which you watch 10 times, apparently. Yeah. Between all like the different reactors I like, there was like a boom. All of them were like doing the show. Um, also very, very good show. Um, is that, what does that one again, the premise? Um, it's like Adam Scott and, um, a bunch of other people, Ben Stiller is like writing and producing it.
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He's one of the creators and it's like workplace but there's sinister shit going on and weird weird stuff that they haven't explained yet. and Is it the one where you like when you get home from work you forget it you know you don't know anything that happened at work? youre Like you're a separate person. Yeah. Okay.
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Yeah, so you've heard when you're at work, you don't know who you are outside of work. And when you um are your outie, they call it, um you don't remember anything you did like for your eight hours at work. So like, I love that they call it that.
Severance: A Mystery Unraveled
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yeah they also like haven't revealed what each department is actually doing like they've shown you what they're doing but it's like encrypted and that kind of stuff so it looks like honestly looks like the matrix like there's all these numbers and stuff and they're just doing stuff to it but they don't even know what they're doing and stuff so you're like well what what possibly could be happening it So yeah, you're just a cog in the machine and you don't know what the machines doing Yeah, and the like the one department um is like 3d printing all this stuff But I think in one episode some of the stuff they were 3d printing was like watering cans and you're like why you're in office? Why do you why do you need a bunch of watering cans? But then you're like, okay
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I think at one point they make an offhanded comment like, oh, well last week it was hatchets. And you're like, why are you 3D printing hatchets? Like not just manufacturing them to sell. Okay. Like so weird. weird Yeah. Yeah. There's some weirdness. Um, very, very good show to highly recommend. I mean, those are the shows I get obsessed over. They gotta have some weirdness. Like Lost was fun with her show. I got obsessed over and it's got sort of that sci-fi.
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Yeah, I like that kind of stuff. The mystery, sci-fi. But it's like based in the real world usually, yeah. but Yeah, it's like more realistic. No, I like that kind of show. Yeah, yeah very good. can there's There's your movie recommendations or TV shows, I guess.
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Oh my gosh. I was like that could literally be an easy monthly segment we do. We just a cook clip out the 10 minutes of us talking about whenever we watched every show. Like before and after the pod we usually do. Oh my gosh. But I won't. But I will tell you that I watched Smile 2 and it was pretty good.
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She smiled! She smiled! The creepy smile! i yeah Oh my god. I didn't pay to watch it, but I watched like a bunch of people react to it. So I feel like I've seen almost 99% of it. Okay. So yeah. That's probably good because yeah, it was a little slow at times where you were like,
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could we cut out this dance sequence but then jump scare so yeah i will have to say i really really really loved the part where the all the spoilers yeah spoilers if you haven't seen that i think i know what you're gonna say Okay, like the backup dance troupe and everything. Yeah, the dance troupe or whatever and they're like there and then they go and then especially when they're coming down the hallway and they're all like doing that every time she looks back they're close. Oh, yeah. Apparently there's a name for that. Anyway.
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um yeah so well done i i liked that part of it i thought that was really really cool but right it's not just one of them being all creepy it's a bunch of them yeah it made me think of haunted houses and like the the one you went to at the deadminton haunted house and like yeah they were doing that in the strobe lighting and yeah i told you about the one that they did that
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I swear, Rain said there's a little name for that trope when every time the the character looks back, something's closer, but I can't remember what it was, so that's not helpful. I know there's kind of a thing about Doctor Who.
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um with it yeah about like closing your eyes and i can't remember what it's about because i don't watch doctor who but yeah it it did get mentioned by a couple people um then i run across about that about looking away and then when you look back they're yeah they've moved yeah pretty well anyway yes we are ready to talk about some stuff that might seem a little creepy, but it's, you know, that's only if anything comes true, right?
Mystics and Predictions: Baba Vanga and Others
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So I'm going to tell you about a psychic and the seer who made some predictions named Baba Vanga, who is from Bulgaria. She's a blind Bulgarian mystic.
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blind. Okay. Um, yeah, she really has that I should have put some pictures up because she yeah, really has a look of a old timey prophetess, if you will. Nice. Yeah. um So All right, we'll start by asking some questions. Did Nostradamus really predict the events of 9-11? Or did psychic Jean Dixon predict the assassination of JFK? oh Maybe, maybe not. Did the Simpsons predict apparently everything that's ever happened? Trump getting elected, et cetera, et cetera. Damn it, I won't want to mention them again. Okay, yes. It's kind of like those ones where you're like,
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Did these predictions mean that like they really had a cool power? And it's hit and miss, right? Just like, I mean, a lot of psychics, they're not always 100% accurate, even the ones that help solve crimes or whatever. Yeah. And then some are so scarily good. um like a quick shout out to creeps and crimes head on their resident, like their local um psychic medium that they like to have on her named Susan. And ah she was on there while they were listening to their people's listener stories that they wrote in. And she was like reading them while they were telling the stories like, yes, that time you thought it was a sign from your dead dad. It was, and he's also got some other stuff to tell you. If you want to call me personally, I'll give it to you. Like just, you know what I mean? Not the kind that have to like,
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Yeah, they don't have, they don't have to cold read. They don't have to ask you any, Oh, I see you have a man that you're really close to in your life. Like they can just do it. I was like, yeah, basically reading them over a podcast. It was crazy. Wow. Um, so, uh, briefly, yes. That when I mentioned Jean Dixon, uh, was an American psychic and astrologer who was born Lydia, Emma, Emma Pinkert. These are just some of the other people who made some um predictions as well. And when they're ladies, I think that's cool too. Yeah.
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Um, and this lady was one of 10 children born to, uh, a family in Wisconsin. And her birth date, I just thought this was a fun fact. It was like not really known because it was often reported as 1918. And it said Dixon would pro prefer this date to reporters at one point, even producing a passport to this effect. But she once testified in a deposition that she was born in 1910. So eight years earlier.
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An investigation by a reporter for the National Observer who interviewed family members and examined official records concluded she was born in 1904.
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Even early. It's not 1918, yeah. Your songs find that funny when they lie about their age. They're like, I'm not 35. I'm 29, but in reality, I'm 40. You're right, and we're like, yeah. It just keeps getting, it just keeps getting like five years older.
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every Every layer you dig back, she's five years older. Yeah, she's 29 for the sixth time. um So that lady Jean Dixon did make several predictions of different assassinations, which I thought was interesting. um The one attributed to the death of JFK was, in the land of the free, a great leader will fall by an assassin's hand. So pretty vague, but sounds like America. Yeah.
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Yeah. Could have been Abraham Lincoln, I suppose. But no, she was after that. She was born in 1918 or 1904. Whatever it was. Or 1910. Or 1910. And then about the attempt on Ronald Reagan, she had said, a leader in power will face death but emerge unharmed, a miracle in the nation's capital.
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So I guess he was a temp recipient of an attempted assassination or however you want to say that properly. Yeah. um So that was a couple but made by that lady, but Baba Venga had quite a few more predictions, at least according to one site. Most sites they had a few, so we'll get into it. One site had it going far into the future, but again, it was one source, so who knows how. i think of like beautiful i
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uh good omens the oh yes and accurate prophecies of agnus nutter it's like right upon this year an apple shall emerge that cannot be eaten or whatever and invest thy shares nice like the old town things interpreted in the modern yeah it's great yeah so um Vangelia Pandeva Surcheva was born on October 3rd, 1991. It says 91. That's not right. I wrote that down wrong. It's 1991.
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No. Would it be 1991? No, I have another death. That's probably it. Let me double triple check because Now i'm I'm making her lie about her birthday. Yeah.
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ah 1911. I'm so sorry. It's a typo. Okay. Let me try that again. Vangelia Pandeva-Sarcheva was born on October 3rd, 1911 in Strumica, which was part of the then called Ottoman Empire, which is now it's part of, ah now it's just at a north ah north Macedonia.
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Okay, so she was born very sickly and they didn't give her a name right away since they didn't believe in doing so if they weren't sure if the child was going to survive. Oh, that's really sad.
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I've heard of, I don't know, similar customs. Like when they're really young, they don't name them right away, like just in case. Like that came up in the indigenous people in like the Outlander books in North America. the Some of the tribes were like that. It's interesting. I've never heard of that before. I'm not giving them a name right away. Yeah. Or if they're sickly. Yeah. I've never heard like specifically if they didn't know if they were going to survive because they're sickly. That was new to me. But when she made her first sound,
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They sent the midwife straight out into the streets from the house to get strangers opinions on what they should name the infant. The original internet poll. Is it going to be Baby Make Baby Face? Oh no, probably. That's what happens. Why? Why is him the midwife? Don't you have an opinion? Yeah. Pardon me.
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Um, oh, forgive me on the pronunciation that I did not look up. Uh, someone had suggested andro meha or andro mash mesh, which was Greek, but also that was popular with women of the area at the time to have Greek names for for some reason that I didn't get into. Probably a rabbit hole I couldn't afford to dive down into and stay focused. Yeah.
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oh um Yeah, that's a wiki hole I don't need to get into. But the midwife said, nah, anybody else? And eventually, another suggestion, Vangelia, a Bulgarian take on a Greek name was the one. It's that I did look up to see if I could see the meaning or origin and it's a short form of Evangelia. So I was like, okay, I've heard of Evangeline. Yeah, it's a nice name. Yeah, I like it. So yeah, she's got a bit of a rough go. Her mother diedled and died in childbirth when she was three, so giving birth to one of her siblings, I assume. um Her father was an internal Macedonian revolutionary organization activist in the Pro-Bulgarian branch.
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Damn. He's, yep, he's doing the thing. And he was conscripted into the Bulgarian army during World War II, leaving her in the care of a neighbor. Post-war, her birthplace of Strumica was part of the kingdom of Serbs, k Croats, and Slovenes, aka Yugoslavia. Ever heard of it? No, never. Didn't we do an episode?
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my
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I feel like we did an episode of Yugoslavia or talked about doing it. We did Slovenia. We did Slovenia. Because it's not Yugoslavia anymore. It's separated. Oh, I don't know. I'm just, see, there I go. give him I end up doing a mini history lesson because I'm weird. um But this is part of her past. Her father was then arrested for his pro-Bulgarian activity, so they fell into poverty. They were probably penniless. I don't know.
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sucks though. But he eventually remarried and they all moved to Novosello. Unfortunately the upheaval was not over for a little Vangelia, not yet. um She suffered another tragedy. One day she was minding her own business, walking along. She was 12 when she was picked up by a whirlwind that threw her up into the air and tossed her back down into a nearby field. What the fuck? I'm guessing it's like a mini tornado?
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I don't know. That's the most bizarre thing I think I've ever heard. I was not expecting it either. Finding your own business and he's picked up and thrown. It's like a shit that happens in a video game glitch. She was like totally wizard of Oz. Yeah, wow.
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um yeah i guess it was a nearby field so hopefully she's still in her area but she was covered in dirt stones and branches and unfortunately like a bunch of grit all up in her eyes okay is that what made her blind or yeah unfortunately it was the start of it they the pain was so bad she couldn't open them and then yeah she started to lose her sight That's always so tragic to me when they they're born seeing and it's rough either way I'm sure but yeah, let's be a little house in the prairie when Laura has to start Seeing and describing things for her sister Mary after she goes blind when she gets the scarlet fever. Oh So in 1925 she started attending a school for the blind just like Mary did
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ah But this time it was in the city of Zimun. Over the next three years, they taught her braille to play piano, knit, cook, and clean. So that was cool. um Then her stepmom died, so she went home to help care for other siblings. um She got very ill for about eight months with something called pleurisy, which is an inflammation of the lining of the chest and lungs. And her doctors again thought she wasn't going to survive.
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cutting I feel like I've heard of that one before.
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For some reason. I know. It seems like an old fashioned term. But yeah yeah, she had a not great prognosis, but she pulled through. And that's like where she finally starts to you know have some good luck or damn less bad things i don't know like it was ah during this time around this time that she starts getting her reputation as being um a seer you know like having some extra powers that kind of thing she was a healer also so that was pretty cool um
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And during the Second World War, that's when she really started to ramp up her reputation for like being a mystic and psychic and being able to help people, because many people would come to see if she could tell them where their loved ones were that were like lost in the war and dead.
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yeah
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Even the great Tsar Boris III sought her services. So a great Tsar, like the kings of Russia. Damn. Crazy. Oh, and she got married 10th of May, 1942. She married Dimitar Gushtarov, and they moved to a place called Petrich.
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pet
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He was a soldier in town. Oh, yeah. I forgot. He was just in town to avenge his brother's death, casually in my neck. Sorry, you know, post-war meet-cute. Oh, what are you in town for? I'm here to avenge my father. My brother's death. My name is Neagle Montoya. My father is prepared to die.
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ah That's great. oh He had a bad ending. He would later fall ill, abuse alcohol, and die in 1962 after 20 years of marriage to papa tanya.
00:32:12
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Yeah, I think they had an okay time for a while, maybe. I don't know. I hope. I would hope she wouldn't marry someone she didn't actually love after all the strife she's been through.
00:32:28
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no After World War II, the Bulgarian police tried to tamp down her psychic powers and ban her from actually using her abilities, but still people came to her. Of course. Like, fuck off.
00:32:43
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After police control, and this is a quote, after police control and social pressure pressure reduced in the 1960s, she was employed by the Petric Municipality and Institute of Suggestology. Suggestology? That's like if I tried to name something.
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Any ideas? Suggestions? ah Yeah, sorry to continue. Part of the Bulgarian act Academy of Sciences. Their primary focus was studying her, some sources said. Okay, I mean, sure. um actually If you guys are gonna pay her a little money, yeah, you can study her. Give her something in return, though. Yeah, not just trying to stop her and ban her. Yeah. So dumb.
00:33:38
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uh yeah so it was cool like I said she had some learning so she was like semi-literate and Bulgarian and could read some Serbian Braille um and she was written about in many books so I would kind of like to get my hands on some of those but what we're all waiting for is the list of her uh successful and unsuccessful predictions okay yep this is stuff that gets me um so yeah one At least one source had some of the most prominent ones listed of her alleged successful predictions, including World War II, like when and how, kind of. um The fall of the USSR, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia. How many times am I going to say Yugoslavia in this episode? Weird. um Stalin's death date.
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ah yeah Sar Boris the Third's death date. There's that Sar again. It's a Sar. I don't know how to say it. The Kursk submarine disaster.
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ah Princess Diana's death. The 1985 Bulgarian earthquake. the September 11th, 2001 attacks, at the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami, and the black man in the White House being the 44th president.
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but nice
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I was like, black man in the White House. Yeah, she called it. So it's so crazy. Like, yeah, her life spans in such a weird time that it's like all these different things from like, Yeah, I was not expecting it to go to World War Two.
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I know! But her predictions, like, some of them, apparently, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, go fairly far into the future, so we'll see. We'll see. There's some fun ones I'll get to at the end. Damn. Or interesting, I don't know if I'd say fun, but... Anyway. Did she predict that a Cheeto would be president twice? An orange man will be the 45th president.
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Yeah, he's gonna have a black man. He will pave the way for the orange man. And you're like, what? Oh, when she said Martians. Yeah, no.
00:36:07
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um So fun fact, she was sometimes called the Nostrojamas of the Balkans, um which I thought was cool. He's pretty well known. Oh, yeah. And I kind of thought she was going to be more of a contemporary of his, like back in. Whatever. I looked up. I tried to look up when he was. So I was like, when was Nostradamus? I think he's like super, super old. Right. And it's embarrassing, but I think I might get him mixed up with Rasputin, which is a little bit embarrassing because he's got. Oh, yeah. Nostradamus was French.
00:36:47
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not Russian, and he was from 1503 he was born. Yeah. Only like 400 years before her. I know, right? I'm like, oh shit, I guess she's more modern. Anyway, but then you see her and she's all like with her little blind eyes and her little babushka, you know, head wrapping.
00:37:14
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I can picture it and I want to give her a hug. yeah
00:37:19
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um Okay, so they did seem to have some visions that overlapped her in Nostradamus, so that that maybe that's where some of the overlap or confusion I had comes from. We'll see. They both saw significant changes coming in 2025. Okay. For the better? Is it a good news? She saw some cool stuff that a new energy source would be discovered. That'd be neat. Cool. Really good. And alien contact.
00:37:54
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like That's scary.
00:38:01
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Nostradamuses were less pleasant saying things like, cruel wars were coming and an ancient plague. And I was like, well, that one I think already came. I think both of those have happened in the last four years. so Yeah, I think sometimes they just might be off a little bit in their timelines. Yeah.
00:38:20
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ah So let's see, let's see, let's see.
Vanga's Predictions Explored
00:38:25
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Okay. Some of her predictions have already dealt with and come to terms with, but some of her going, some of hers are going forward. Um, so like, obviously she predicted a lot of stuff that was going to happen after she died. Um, and all that stuff she said in 2022, we would see large cities that would experience draw drought drought. Sorry.
00:38:50
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I forget how to pronounce things when I'm reading out that sometimes. So yes, large cities will experience drought, water shortages, which is like not really super specific of which ones. So then you can kind of make a correlation to things like how the UK has just experienced the driest July since 1935 and the government officially declared a drought on the 12th of August, 2022.
00:39:12
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Yeah. Yeah. as She said Asia and Australia would face much flooding and Sydney did in July get about eight months of rain in just four days, which caused the third major flood of the year. I know that's a lot. That's like insane. Quite unusual.
00:39:34
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Again, or it might have been before we talked about stereotypes. And when I picture Australia, it's not for rain. No. I guess plus the rains down in Africa. Oh yeah, that's Africa. Land down under. yeah Right. It's all the outback. Yeah. That's what you picture like the outback. um And the Sydney Opera House. Yeah.
00:40:04
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for the 9-11 attacks, she said, horror, horror, the American brethren, fucking talk. The American brethren will fall after being attacked by the steel birds. The wolves will be howling in a bush and innocent blood will be spilled. And some people point to the fact that she said wolves in a bush and then it was a bush in office at the time.
00:40:31
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Yeah. It's interesting. It's interesting. But I mean, like, plants have been utilized in so many wards already. So steal, what, steal birds? Right. It could have been like dog fights, dropping bombs, whatever. Yeah, you can point to kind of how things correlate, but that get not that it's specifically you know, meant this yeah particular event, usually, definitively. I agree. Yeah. Yeah, you can kind of attribute it to anything. It's kind of like that confirmation bias. You're like, well, that could have meant this. And also, like, Stillbirds is a little odd when she's of a time where they have airplanes. Yeah, that's what I meant. Like, they're already using them during the World Wars. So it's not something like she doesn't know that these exist, even. Right. Yeah.
00:41:28
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um And a lot of them aren't written down for these ones also, so it's a lot of like, what did she say? So the Kursk disaster, ah which was in 2000, I didn't really remember it, but it sounded familiar um once I started looking back as to what the fuck was that? So she had predicted it in around 1980, it said.
00:41:52
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So Baba Venget predicted that in August of 1999, quote, Kursk would be covered with water and the whole the world would weep over it. um And there is a city named Kursk, but what happened like after was not in the city, but rather it was the disaster of the Russian nuclear sub called the Kursk that sank in the Barents Sea in August of 2000.
00:42:22
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Oh, it cut off a bit. It what? Oh, sorry. yeah So it it was probably referring to the Russian nuclear sub called the Kursk. It sank in the Barents Sea in August of 2000, which was one year after she predicted the Kursk would be covered in water and the whole world would weep. Oh, OK. Yeah. um Do you remember that at all? We were. No, you were five.
00:42:52
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probably not i mean I remember hearing about it afterwards one of the well like one of the earliest world events I remember is yeah probably 9-11 it's probably like yeah one of the earliest things yeah cuz that's a pretty pretty big one And then even even that I don't remember like the day it was more so like in the like the next few years were like they talked about it in movies and it was an event and all that kind of stuff more so than it actually like happening and you watching the news or anything.
00:43:35
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yeah where I was about what 12 no 2001 I would have been 13 so yeah I remember being in like my grade 8 classroom hearing about it so it's one of those where I remember where I was like a lot of people do yeah yeah but no this one was a nuclear submarine that sank 12th of August in the Barents Sea and it tragically they lost all 118 personnel on board oh it's quite a few people Yeah, it's it was Russian um Oscar II class. That's fun. Maybe that means something to my naval sister. Able seam aggressive. It was taking part in the first major major Russian naval exercise in more than 10 years. ah The crews of nearby ships felt an an issue initial explosion and a second much larger explosion, but the Russian Navy did not realize that an accident had occurred.
00:44:31
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and did not initiate a search for the the vessel for over six hours, sorry. Oh. Yeah, this is what I remember hearing is that it was not handled well by the submarine. Surprise, surprise. Right. Sorry, the submarine's emergency rescue buoy had been intentionally disabled during an earlier mission, and it took more than 16 hours to locate the submarine which rested on the ocean floor at a depth of 108 meters, 304 feet.
00:45:07
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Yeah. Over four days, the Russian Navy repeatedly failed in its attempts to attach four different diving bells and submersibles to the escape hatch of the submarine. Its response was criticized as slow and inept. Well, officials misled and manipulated the public and news media and refused help from other countries ships nearby. President Vladimir Putin initially continued his vacation at a seaside resort in Sochi.
00:45:38
Speaker
and authorized the Russian Navy to accept British and Norwegian assistance only after five days had passed. Oh my god. Right. Two days later, British and Norwegian divers finally opened a hatch to the escape trunk in the boat's flooded ninth compartment but found no survivors. But like if they had to come there if they could have gotten there soon, like right away, 23 people had survived for up to six hours in ah in a compartment. Yeah. yeah Um, or if they're like, um, thing hadn't been disabled. Right. Oh my God. The things about disasters that like.
00:46:22
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those little things that all contribute. Yeah, they get me fucking crazy. Yeah, it's like the ah Chernobyl and everything. You're just like looking back on it. You're like, how how many people like just did the wrong things and just said to keep waiting or yeah denied other countries trying to assist? like why Why are you saying no when other places are offering to help you? like Yeah.
00:46:50
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or people ignore warning signs. Yeah, I like it on the one podcast I listen to is called the disaster hour. And they give every disaster ah rating. Was it like preventable? Was it like down?
00:47:07
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I don't know, survivable after it started, like avoidable, like all this like scale thing. And they're like, if it gets so many points, we get to point a finger and play the blame game. I'm like, yes, you do. Because sometimes there's like, ah just a couple people at fault in these crazy things. Yeah. Yeah, damn. Rough.
00:47:25
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um Okay, so to get to the end of the predictions, then she talked about President Barack Obama. She said that the 44th president the president would be black.
00:47:39
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um When did she say that? Do we know? I don't know. I don't know. It didn't say. OK, because if she said it when he was already running, then that's like whatever. You basically have a 50, 50 percent chance. But if she said it like 20 years before. She died before that, though. She she died. We'll get to. OK. Then she said something weird.
00:48:07
Speaker
Um, about after that president, I don't know. This feels a little like, yeah, and maybe people are reading things into things nowadays. But she said something like, everyone will put their hopes in him to end it, but the opposite would happen. He will bring the country down and conflicts between North and South States will escalate. So I think some people think that means the president that came after, I don't know.
00:48:34
Speaker
This is an interesting one, another assassination that she um saw before it happened. And it was the assassination of Indira Gandhi. So not Mahatma Gandhi, but this is a lady. She was the former prime minister of India. It was the early 80s. But back in 1969, Baba Vanga had a vision of this woman and said, the dress will destroy her. I see an orange yellow dress in the smoke and fire.
00:49:04
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ah Sure enough, after pissing people off by ordering an attack on the Golden Temple in 1984, Indira Gandhi was shot and killed in an and wearing an orange sari.
00:49:15
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The temple that she had ordered the attack on was the holiest site in, ah is it Sikhism? How do you say it? I think? Probably. And so she was shot by two of her Sikh bodyguards on October 31st of that same year.
00:49:32
Speaker
Go figure. Shot by your own bodyguards. Now that's shit. Right? Well don't piss off the Sikhs! ah who Who's Trump's bodyguards? Can we get to them?
00:49:47
Speaker
Oh dear. Allegedly, allegedly. Don't come and ask. At one point she predicted- Hold on, I'm seeing a prediction.
00:49:58
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Apparently at one point she predicted that the Corona will be all over us. Take that as you will. I feel so bad for that beer company. Like, goddamn, just- I know. It's just the Spanish word for the sun. Come on now.
00:50:16
Speaker
But, and she finally, or I'll just end it on this one of the ones that she predicted, supposed like successfully, she predicted her own death at the age of 89 on August 11th, 1996. Yeah. Okay. So if she died in 1996, then I don't even think Obama was in Congress yet.
00:50:40
Speaker
Let's see, how long was he in Congress for? He got elected in 2008 the first time. He was a congressman before that, right? Oh yeah, he probably would have been in politics, but yeah, hard to say. and yeah um But then, the Mrs. She apparently said that World War III would start in 2010. Spoiler alert. okay It didn't end the following October.
00:51:08
Speaker
she around that same prediction had predicted in 1979 that Russia would dominate the world and that Putin would become Lord of the world and his glory would remain untouched. Oh, a good thing that didn't happen. Hopefully not. um and to ah Yeah, there was another thing that said something else about her and Nostradamus' predictions for 2025.
00:51:39
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but then they kind of just list them so it's confusing. Like somebody made a prediction that there would be an assassination attempt on Vladimir Putin, terrorist attacks in Europe, and a tumultuous reign for King Charles. Sorry.
00:51:56
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um So the ones that were on the one website, which I didn't even print out my sources because I knew I would just have to email email them to you anyway.
00:52:07
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and But it wasn't Wikipedia. It wasn't, you know, oh okay. None of the sources for these were like New York Times, let's be fair.
00:52:20
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ah stand Even they're not great sometimes, but um so, yeah, the World War Two. ah This one said that after the God World War Two, she said that after World War Three was supposed to have happened in 2010, then we'd have a nuclear fallout.
00:52:38
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and the northern hemisphere lose animals and vegetations then muslims will wage war against chemical surviving europeans who survived the chemical weapons and then like get skin cancer and like everyone in europe is dead and new china becomes a world power by 2018 and oh by 2023 so as of last year we were supposed to have ah a little bit of change in the earth's orbit I just want to know where these predictions are written now or who says she said them. Yeah. Yeah. who Who's verifying this? It's amazing. Like they are just so like these ones are click baby. They really are. Yeah. They're a little fear mongery.
00:53:27
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Oh my God. um Oh, again with the creating a new energy source. This one said by 2028, and that hungers gradually overcome and launched a manned spacecraft to Venus. And this is all in 2028.
00:53:46
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2028? Yeah. You hear that Elon Musk? Launch somebody to Venus. This is on the timeline that we had World War III 10 years ago, or 14.
00:53:58
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um
00:54:01
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we That's why I just thought these ones were kind of fun. I was like, oh my God, who know who fucking knows, right? um 2033, the polar ice caps are melting. Honestly, and I skipped some, like they're not all of them. 2043, Muslims rule Europe. 2046, we're able to manufacture organs and clone things. um I thought we could already grow organs and pigs, can't we?
00:54:30
Speaker
Oh, we've cloned a few things. Yeah. Yeah. Like we're getting there. Old news. Old news. I didn't want to be cared. We got another 20 years. No, we're 20 years ahead of the time. Aliens. Yeah, we already know they're real by now. Okay. Yeah. God. 2066, the US attacks Rome with a climate weapon thing, like a freeze ray. Sorry, that's so weird. It's like a superhero movie. yeah I put freeze ray, but it was like a climate weapon that made everything cold. I'm like, like a freeze ray? Like a bre they just put an ice cube over Rome? Oh, don't you know the Democrats already control the weather?
00:55:15
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With their minds. By 2076, a classless society or communism, whatever, takes over. We must finally each eat the rich and have a We'll have no rich left, yeah. No, we won't. Europe's all gone. ah This was confusing. 2088, a new disease. Aging for a few seconds. Defeated by 2097.
00:55:44
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Aging for a few seconds. Yeah, I don't know if we've like almost eradicated aging by then, so now it's just like, oh you got age-ified for a few seconds. I'm like, what does that mean?
00:55:56
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You were a baby, but now you're an adult. Start paying taxes. It's literally like bullet form. There's no explanation whatsoever. Wow. Yeah. Where was that written down? I need the sword. I need the tablet. Oh, actually she probably did own a tablet. she did oh No, no way. 1996. But she was born in 1990. Wait, maybe that's why I wrote 1991.
00:56:21
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one Anyway.
00:56:25
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and Yes, no more aging. 2100, artificial sun illuminates the dark side of Earth. Why? to So it's always day. We no longer sleep and we all become paranoid. and Yeah, it's like when Mr. Burns has a plot to like block out the sun in Springfield. Oh my god.
00:56:47
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Um, 2111 people become living robots.
00:56:54
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Question mark. What does that even mean? and We're all like bionic. I don't know. 2123 war between small nations, quote unquote, only.
00:57:09
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again Shrug. For the rest of our amusement? Yeah, New China was definitely not involved. They're a big power. Old Canada's gone. No, I don't know. And what happened to Russia ruling everything? Oh, yeah. oh Hungary receives signals from space, 2125.
00:57:36
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I know, I thought we already met aliens in this timeline.
00:57:41
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Anyway. Also, why hungry? Why them? Yeah. It's like they sent out a signal like a million years ago, it just came back, you know? Yeah. They're like, oh, shit. 2130, a full ass colony underwater on Earth started. Under the sea. but good land and yeah Atlantis? knew Atlantis.
00:58:08
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Oh, God. No explanation whatsoever. 2164 animals turn half human. That's my favorite. I love it.
00:58:24
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Centaurs everywhere. But if we're already half robots, ah does that mean animals are half people or half robots? Ooh, yeah. Are they evolving?
00:58:38
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like yeah that course
00:58:42
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There's a lot of questions. There's a lot of questions. yeah ah What step of human evolution do we start growing wires and steal?
00:58:57
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oh my god We get too many artificial joints, like hip transplants and knee transplants, so that we just start being born with artificial joints. We're already starting with like the, what is it? Neurolink, the implants and stuff?
00:59:12
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And so I can like literally help like, yeah, visually impaired people like see better and stuff, but they still need a bunch of like updates and shit. And like, once it's in your head, it's kind of hard to update. Like we're still in the baby stages. So that shit right now. Yeah. That's crazy. All right.
00:59:31
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um so he them Human animals. Okay. Yeah. Uh, 2183 Mars colony is now a nuclear power and demands its own independence.
00:59:44
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okay darn colonies uh 2195 the sea colony is fully developed line just the next one was the kind of scary but vague 2221 in the search for aliens we find something terrible
01:00:13
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Why? Oh, God. Oh, this is fun. but Racism has ended. So in 2273, there's a mixing of the I don't even know how to say it, like the Asian races, the Caucasian and like the. Do we just say the black, the African-American races to make a new color? I don't know if it's purple or orange. Call back.
01:00:43
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Oh god, no, hopefully not. 2288, time travel. Wow, that's that seems a little late. for some I know! We're on Mars.
01:01:02
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I'm like, oh. maybe Maybe time travel prevented World War III and all that stuff already.
01:01:14
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Will you believe the project? The one with Andrew Bastianich. He said oh yeah where Obama went on the moon or whatever. Yes, because they time travel back to pick all the presidents before they can be president. And they also had the ability to time travel forward and go to the moon. And it was all one theory. And like, yeah, I think he also said he was going to be president by 2028 so that's the one i still wait for really there was something about 2028 what was it go back oh fuck yeah it was like the new energy source hunger overcome and spacecraft to venus
01:02:06
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Oh my god. and I don't even know. Secrets of the moon revealed 2304. What's secrets of the moon? We've been on the moon for like 50
Sci-Fi Predictions and Philosophical Insights
01:02:19
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years. Like, come on. At this point, 250 years.
01:02:25
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yeah We're not that good at it. They're sending probes and all that stuff. Oh, that's true. And at that point, we've been on the moon 250 years before and the moon finally get revealed. Yeah, these are decided to go drilling down. no Yeah, we drilled for oil on the moon.
01:02:55
Speaker
There's a movie where they went. I didn't remember watching it, but then they covered it on the podcast. How did this get made? And it was called moonstruck. No moonstruck moonstorm moonfall. They had to go up to the moon. It was doing something weird, and then they were going to blow it up, and there were aliens on there. I was like, did I watch this? I think I did. Bizarre. Sounds crazy. It was, but like, Halle Berry, like it was, anyway. There's some crazy movies out there, you guys.
01:03:26
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Ali berry. I didn't remember I'd watched it till the end where there was like, and then they found some weird structures on the moon. And they were like aliens sort of. And I was like, wait, I did see this terrible film. No questions were answered. Um, in 3005, there is a war on Mars, which is a little ironic, giving that Mars means war in the Roman yeah god Pantheon.
01:03:56
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Uh, 30-10, a comet hits the moon. Uh, moonstruck. Wiefly Earth, no life left. Not long.
01:04:10
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But I thought we were on Venus or something. No, we still have our colonies then, uh, cause then we have some big resource wars happening. Uh, something about back to beast mode. I don't know if that has to do with half animals again.
01:04:26
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Wow. Maybe I paraphrased that. Hard to say. Beast mode. Beast mode. Also, this is fun. End of evil and hatred by the year 4308 and a mutation that lets us use more of our brain power.
01:04:45
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4308? 2,000 years from now? Yeah. We finally end hate? And the world is in it. We're literally just on other planets. ah And this is even more depressing. Well, not long after that. $45.99. We achieve immortality. Yay. That's not bad. $5,000. I thought we were half robots already. Who fucking knows, Kelsey?
01:05:17
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ah Isn't that the whole, like, halfway to immortality would just be us being robots, like ah a brain in a robot? I didn't edit this. Yeah. I need to see these sources laying on. This is wild. The timeline. um Finally, 5076, a boundary universe is found, and then three years later, 5079, the end of the world as we know it, it's ice cream time.
01:05:49
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No, and I feel fine. Oh my god.
01:05:56
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Yes, that was just for funsies. Don't let wild get some existential dread. Yeah. Um, Yeah, and and you know, I think she did leave some cool ah thoughts behind. The one article on Medium or whatever was like, you know, she taught us that the invisible world is far more powerful than the visible one, like getting all these powers after she loses her ability to see. yeah oh And she also was like, even though she makes predictions, she was like,
01:06:34
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not to say that that meant that they had to happen she was very much like nothing is predestined necessarily it's all written but we have the power to change the course of it um and like okay just like don't let life limit you she grew most powerful after her like disability um and they just ended it with a couple cool quotes that I liked. ah Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart. Who looks outside dreams. Who looks inside awakes. Carl Jung. And trust the timing of your life. Everything happens for a reason and every experience will serve you in some way. Unknown. and Maybe it was Baba Vanga. Yeah. Crazy. So yeah, that was pretty cool that she was just like,
01:07:21
Speaker
I mean, you know, don't let this stop you. I just see things, but it doesn't mean... Yeah, maybe she's seeing a bunch of different possibilities. Right. Like Dr. Strange, and he can just see 2 million. Yeah.
Podcast Journey and Future Plans
01:07:41
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Yeah.
01:07:41
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yeah Well, like what, 2000 years from now, when somebody digs through our podcast archives and hears these bizarre ah predictions, they can finally, yeah, we have helped perpetuate Baba Yaga, Baba Vengas. Oh, yeah. I didn't even know this. It's so hard not to say. anger Yeah. um Her legacy. So 2000 years from now, people can tell us if the predictions
01:08:14
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If any of them shook out. Yeah, yeah. da She was off by a few years, but then got this one and this one could have applied to this. Yeah. Yeah. We blew up the moon. Well, we can't really change that one. No, whatever. The secrets. alone Yeah. I love that. What's the secret of the moon? I want to know.
01:08:39
Speaker
Damn. Maybe it really is hollow. Something like that. Good fucking nose. That was wild. It got a little wild. Yeah. I'm just gonna start it with some weird history and then I'm gonna hit you with like some futuristic shit and you're just gonna be like, what? Yeah, people becoming half robots and then animals becoming half people but then back to beast mode but then I was so glad I found that one source. It was so entertaining. was yeah wait so Nobody else talked about this. And I had to scroll down so far. Everyone everyone else is just like, darn 11. You're like, tell us more about the animals and Atlantis. Yes. And now I want to look up all Nostradamus' predictions and like all of everybody's predictions that supposedly came true or not. I find that so fascinating.
01:09:39
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yeah yeah it's like having a coat or a cipher or something that you need to crack and it's so cryptic which we obviously love oh my god all right well this is a bit yeah the last two were kind of divided up so it's a little bit shorter than some of ours happened but goddamn if we haven't released some long ones lately Yeah, our one before this a kind of two parter was what you said almost three hours long. So yeah. Yeah, because yeah, it was it could have been a two parter, but I think I just I don't even know anymore, man. i yeah I think I released it. I was like, well, goddamn, that's almost a whole Marvel movie. You guys get it. It's a busy time of year. We're all hustling.
01:10:37
Speaker
right Make that money, yo. I came home, cooked supper. I was like, oh, I need to grab something to drink and now time to record. It was just like, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah. but I told the lad I was off today and I slept in and then was only awake for a couple hours and thought, should I take a nap? So.
01:10:59
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But usually you're here, we're recording and you're like, I've been up since seven or four or yeah. So it's like, that's totally deserved. Yeah. So keep an eye out. We will be coming at you next week with what are we talking about, Kelsey? and Some ah Egypt crimes. True crime. ah We are going back to Africa. Yeah. And not to talk about the Spanx this time. I forgot about that. Yeah. You know, probably some more depressing shit. But oh, what can you do? Yeah. Sorry about it. They have true crime too. It's not all ancient curses, although some of it is. But you guys have ah probably heard about those already. So I'm going to steer away from that.
01:11:54
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Yeah, we've done some Egyptology, what, legends, myths kind of things. Everybody knows there's like kind of the the grave robbing sort of aspect, all that kind of yeah cursed whatnot. But yeah, who knows? Maybe we'll see some more mummies or just you know murders who's to say mommy's getting murdered oh oh my god i'm so gross okay and time to shut me off now all right we'll catch you next week yeah keep it cryptic all right