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EPISODE 38 - Patriots roster preview with Doug Kyed!
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Doug Kide's Visionary Award
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Savage Boston
Alright guys, welcome back to the Savage Boston Podcast. We're here with a very special guest tonight. The one and only Doug Kide reporting, big time reporter, big timer from the Herald.
00:00:12
Savage Boston
um You know, something just off the bat ah before we kind of welcome Doug is just want to congratulate Doug from ah I think winning the Visionary Award with Visionary of the Year for the Leukemia and Lymphoma
Patriots' Offseason and Rafi Devers Trade
00:00:24
Savage Boston
Society. Is that right, Doug?
00:00:25
@DougKyed
that's That's right. Yeah. No, thank you so much. That was a big honor. We raised $318,000 in my daughter Hallie's name ah for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society.
00:00:32
Savage Boston
Wow.
00:00:34
@DougKyed
So yeah, huge honor and really appreciate that.
00:00:37
Savage Boston
yeah that was ah Yeah, we went down to the Vitamin C fundraiser in whatever town that was in, Weymouth, I think. And that was that was a blast.
00:00:43
@DougKyed
Weymouth. Yep. Yep.
00:00:46
Savage Boston
It was a great time um to see everybody there. So and anyway, so we're on tonight. This is like, what are we in? like you know We're in Patriots dead zone, which I figured would be a good time just to kind of like regroup and figure out the direction of the team.
00:00:59
Savage Boston
um First question though, before the Patriots, I know that's what everyone's tuned into this podcast for is how we feeling about the Rafi Devers trade? Hmm.
00:01:09
@DougKyed
Not too good, but I mean, i will say, and I like, I I've only ever covered one Red Sox game. I'm not not going to like pretend to be a Red Sox reporter or anything like that, but like you would have liked to have seen the Red Sox get more out of the trade.
00:01:23
Savage Boston
Hmm.
00:01:23
@DougKyed
Some of the quotes that came out yesterday from the Red Sox though, kind of seemed like they weren't that upset about it, you know, like Jaron Duran and Roman Anthony and everything.
00:01:32
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:01:33
@DougKyed
So i don't know if there's ever going to be ah another side to this story. I wish that they would have shopped him a little bit more and gotten more for FV Devers.
00:01:39
Snooty
Bye.
00:01:40
@DougKyed
Seemed like they kind of traded him off for 20 cents on the dollar. But um yeah, it's interesting or it's interesting to see some of the quotes that came out from players the other day.
Patriots' Wide Receiver Position Battle
00:01:52
Savage Boston
just thought it was funny. Like I figured I had to ask cause obviously like the biggest, it's like kind of the biggest story in sports almost right now.
00:01:59
@DougKyed
Yeah, pretty much.
00:01:59
Savage Boston
Um,
00:02:00
@DougKyed
And it's amazing with the NBA and NHL you know finals going on It really is. it's It's taken over sports. And I was personally shocked when the news came across my phone.
00:02:08
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:09
@DougKyed
I could not believe it. started to actually see reactions from people before I actually saw the news, which is always an interesting way to find out about a trade like that.
00:02:14
Savage Boston
yeah
00:02:17
@DougKyed
But I know. I don't know. I mean, like, this is actually oddly a year that I started following baseball again. ah yeah I'm i' I follow the Red Sox, follow the Mariners. I was like, you know what? Both teams like seem kind of interesting. I'll follow them this year.
00:02:30
@DougKyed
Hell of a time to start watching baseball again with with heres Roman Anthony and ah Marcel Meyer and everything like that. So at least it's been entertaining for me.
00:02:38
Savage Boston
Yeah, they really should have had the the documentary this year. It's not like they can predict what year is going to be crazy.
00:02:41
@DougKyed
I know.
00:02:44
Savage Boston
um I'm genuinely pissed because I was downstairs watching a movie with the kids like Father's Day. i just want to watch a cool movie, whatever. And I come upstairs and I miss the news by like 50 minutes, which for me, um I'm fucking pissed.
00:02:56
@DougKyed
Yeah, I know.
00:02:57
Savage Boston
I hate fucking missing news. you know like i want I'm trying to be as urgent on it as possible. And so whatever, I was bummed out. But anyway...
00:03:05
@DougKyed
It is funny though. Like, and and I, I sort of feel the same way.
00:03:06
Snooty
Right.
00:03:08
@DougKyed
Like when you miss news like that, then all of a sudden you feel panicked and you're like, Oh my God, I feel like get my reaction out there.
00:03:12
Savage Boston
yeah
00:03:14
@DougKyed
I have to like, have to send out my tweet, even though it's gonna be super late now at this point, like that'll happen sometimes super early in the morning for me.
00:03:18
Savage Boston
Yep.
00:03:22
@DougKyed
Cause like, I don't wake up that early. So if there's Patriots news at like six or 7am by the time I'm actually rolling out of bed, I'm like, Oh God damn it. Okay. have to react to this. i have to get something up. And then like, it sets off this panic inside of you.
00:03:35
Savage Boston
and Yeah, I've had really awkward ones recently where um there's been like an NHL goal and like double overtime. And I sent out like a breaking news tweet at like 7 a.m. m And everyone's like, you're a little late, dude. I was like, you know what?
00:03:45
Savage Boston
Like, I sleep. Like, what do people want from me? Anyway.
00:03:48
@DougKyed
Right. Yeah, exactly.
00:03:49
Savage Boston
It's ridiculous. But all right, let's jump into the real real meat and potatoes here. um Obviously, we got about, what, five weeks for Patriots training camp, 30 some on, 36 days, something like that.
00:04:01
Savage Boston
And i think I think everyone's pretty desperate for some football. That's how it feels to me, not just me personally.
00:04:07
@DougKyed
Yeah.
00:04:07
Savage Boston
Um, and I guess the first question would be, and this is, I think one of the biggest position battles, right. Is, is from your perspective, going to some of these practices, you know, how do you look at obviously the wide receiver position? How do you feel like at this point, it's going to shake out when we get down to like the 53?
00:04:23
@DougKyed
I was actually putting together a 53-man roster projection this week. It's going to come out later in the week. But wide receiver far and away the hardest position on the team. like You could keep nine guys.
00:04:36
@DougKyed
you know like You're not going to.
00:04:38
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:04:38
@DougKyed
But when you're breaking it down, like there's really only so many defensive tackles you want to keep on this team. There's really only like there's basically only two tight ends you want to keep on the team. you could easily keep two or two quarterbacks, three running backs.
00:04:52
@DougKyed
Wide receiver is just tough because, like, Ideally you would want Javon Baker, Kendrick Bourne, Kayshaun Booty, Efton Chisholm, Stefan Diggs, Damari Douglas, Matt Collins, Jalen Polk, and Kyle Williams on the team.
00:05:07
@DougKyed
Just like based on potential, what they can offer in the present.
00:05:07
Savage Boston
he
00:05:11
@DougKyed
That's nine guys though. You're not going to keep nine guys on the roster. So spoiler alert for my 53 man roster projection coming out later. I actually took out Baker and Polk.
00:05:23
@DougKyed
Um,
00:05:24
Savage Boston
and
00:05:25
@DougKyed
And it's it's probably overreacting to some of the stuff that we saw in the spring. But my reasoning behind it was that, like, right now, with Diggs and Hollins not on the field, Bourne, Booty, and Douglas have been your top three wide receivers.
00:05:40
@DougKyed
So I feel like you can't take those guys out right now. You obviously can't take out Diggs. You can't take out Hollins. I think that those two guys are locks. And you can't take out Kyle Williams. So that's six guys right there.
00:05:53
@DougKyed
you're probably only going to keep seven. And from what we saw in the spring, Efton Chisholm was out there doing a lot more than Javon Baker. Javon Baker was working with the third team. Efton Chisholm was actually getting some reps with Drake May out there.
00:06:06
@DougKyed
And then Jalen Polk is limited right now with a shoulder injury. It just feels like Mike Rabel, Josh McDaniels, Ryan Cowden stretch. A lot of these guys don't really have anything tied to Baker or Polk.
00:06:19
@DougKyed
So I'm ready for Jalen Polk to prove everyone wrong in training camp, myself included, ah you know, have be a starter when the season starts, have 800 yards, whatever it is.
00:06:30
@DougKyed
But right now, It feels like Chisholm has more going for him on the current team than Baker and Polk. So a long way to answer that question, but it's a really complicated position. And like maybe when Diggs and Hollins come back, like Bourne and Booty take a step back or something, then it makes it easier to leave those guys off.
00:06:52
@DougKyed
But just really tough to leave them off right now while they're running with the first team.
Impact of Tight Ends on Roster Depth
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Snooty
Do you think that the tight end position could kind of impact that a little bit? Because I know traditionally McDaniels likes to keep a blocking tight end in there. Could that take a roster spot away from a wide receiver that otherwise would, you know, potentially be more productive in the passing game?
00:07:04
@DougKyed
right
00:07:11
@DougKyed
Yeah, I mean, it's certainly possible. like i I think they're going to keep three tight ends. um So Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper are making the team.
00:07:19
Snooty
Sure.
00:07:19
@DougKyed
Outside of that though, like Jack Westover's currently the, the other guy. Um, but Jaheim Bell's probably got some like more potential.
00:07:30
@DougKyed
I like CJ Dippery, the, the undrafted free agent out of Alabama.
00:07:33
Savage Boston
Thank you.
00:07:34
@DougKyed
I thought he did some things.
00:07:34
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:07:35
@DougKyed
So like one way or the other, I think they're keeping three to high ends. It might even be a guy who's not currently on the roster. If not, these guys stand out during training camp. Um, But I still actually do think there's room to keep seven wide receivers, even if they keep three tight ends, even if they keep three or four running backs, even if they keep two or two or three
Challenges from Last Year's Draft Choices
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@DougKyed
quarterbacks.
00:07:54
@DougKyed
I think there is still room to carry that many guys.
00:07:57
Savage Boston
I mean, the guys that, um you know, everyone always stops at the number six for wide receivers. for That seems to be the the number. I mean, they could carry seven, hypothetically, if they want to.
00:08:05
@DougKyed
Right.
00:08:08
@DougKyed
I think they did last year. I think they have started last season with like eight. So yeah, they definitely could.
00:08:11
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:08:12
@DougKyed
Yeah.
00:08:13
Savage Boston
that was pretty That was pretty weak roster too. um But they basically like, you know, again, got I think one of these guys, I think either Bourne or Booty is getting traded.
00:08:15
@DougKyed
Yeah.
00:08:21
Savage Boston
um I know that Booty's been shopped. ah He was shopped, you know, during the draft, before the draft. Bourne, I know had success with McDaniels, but again, let's not pretend, you know, that's four years ago.
00:08:33
Savage Boston
um And again, i don't know how Vrabel feels about him. think Baker is the obvious cut guy in the room. But like you talk about Baker online getting cut. It's like you know you just kick somebody's dog. you know People get pissed about Baker. I don't what it is about Baker. They just think he's this diamond in the rough player.
00:08:49
Savage Boston
But he's got to learn the formations first. You know, and and and Polk is the guy to me that's going like last offseason, he was like kind of smooth and in camp. So it's just interesting to me, like what if he shows up to camp and is smooth again and they actually like what he looks like, you know?
00:08:58
@DougKyed
Yeah.
00:09:04
@DougKyed
Then I think you can leave off Chisholm. Like I think Chisholm's that, that pivot guy where if Polk looks great, especially out of the slot, then you can maybe maybe even like slip Chisholm onto the practice squad or something like that.
00:09:09
Savage Boston
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:16
@DougKyed
So like certainly don't think that Chisholm is, is nearly a lock or anything. And yeah, I could see something being done with, with Bourne or booty and, know, It is funny with Javon Baker, I think just because like he was so good in college.
00:09:28
@DougKyed
He was such a big play threat. And he started off so hot last year in training camp. But then once the pads came on, he kind of disappeared. And we're really reaching like the one-year mark for the last time that Javon Baker actually looked good in a Patriots uniform.
00:09:42
@DougKyed
Because once the pads came on, he wasn't good.
00:09:43
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:09:44
@DougKyed
And he only caught one pass all season. so I mean, there's there's no ties to Jalen Polk and there's also no ties to to Javon Baker on this current coaching staff. So I still have, like I still think there's potential there for Javon Baker, but at some point he's got a flash and it just hasn't happened in so long now at this point.
00:10:01
Snooty
i think I think Polk might – personally, I think Polk has more of a chance than then um then people kind of give him credit for. and i mean, when he was drafted, I know he was in the second round and, you know, Patriots second-round receiver, but he wasn't Taequann Thornton taken well ahead of where people expected.
00:10:16
Snooty
Like, he wasn't a reach.
00:10:17
@DougKyed
Yeah.
00:10:18
Snooty
See, he has talent.
00:10:19
@DougKyed
No.
00:10:19
Snooty
It's just a question of fit with McDaniels.
00:10:22
@DougKyed
It's a question of fan. It's also a question of like, I think attitude to some extent, like,
00:10:27
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:10:28
@DougKyed
I mean, because i'm ah I'm a University Washington fan. So I watched Jalen Polk for, you know, two, three years, whatever it was at Washington. He was great, yeah especially in that that national championship run that they had.
00:10:41
@DougKyed
um There were times that season where I did think he was probably the third best wide receiver on the roster, though. Like Romo Dunzey was obviously the best. Jalen McMillan um was really good that season out of the slot when he was healthy, but Jalen Polk really wasn't that far behind either one of them.
00:10:54
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:10:56
@DougKyed
And and like you were he was drafted where people expected him to. He was expected to be a second-round pick. Maybe he was expected to be like a mid-to-late second-round pick. He went early in the second round, but still, thats it's not a Tyquan Thornton-esque reach like you mentioned.
00:11:08
@DougKyed
ah It's not like some of the guys that they've taken in the past that were massive breaches.
00:11:11
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:11:12
@DougKyed
He went near where he was supposed to go, and he was good last summer. He was good in training camp. He looked like he belonged Then the season starts and it was an outright disaster. um So they've got to figure out, this coaching staff has to figure out what exactly it was that went wrong with him.
00:11:27
@DougKyed
And if having some of these veterans like Stephon Diggs and Matt Collins can help him pull it together this year.
00:11:33
Savage Boston
And not to go off now on last year's regime and last year's drafting strategy, and this because i we weren't going to talk about this, but I'm just going to go for it anyway. ah you know This is why people are so mad at Elliot Wolfe, and I'm happy that they changed their strategy this year to do you know best player available. We talked about that a lot.
00:11:50
Savage Boston
um Because you i think Polk was something like the 12th receiver taken or something like that. like He was way down. in the amount of receivers taken in that draft last year, but because they felt that desire that they had to get a wide receiver, just like when when they took Caden Wallace after that run on tackles, they're like, no, but we need a tackle. like You end up drafting a player who potentially isn't ever going to impact this team.
00:12:15
@DougKyed
right
00:12:16
Savage Boston
So, I mean, i really dislike um ah dislike that philosophy, and I'm happy they changed it, and I'm happy this draft class seems better this year.
00:12:16
@DougKyed
It's, yeah.
00:12:25
Savage Boston
But, again, that's why I think where we kind of had problems with that last season.
00:12:29
@DougKyed
ah It's, it's really pretty unbelievable. And like, I'm certainly not saying this is going to happen because I think that someone else comes out on the roster, but like there's a non-zero chance that that Drake Mays, like the only guy from last year's draft class that's actually on the 53-man roster this year, right?
00:12:50
@DougKyed
you're Like, Jalen Polk and Javon Baker, I just mentioned, like, those guys currently look like they're on the roster bubble, just based on what we're seeing in practice.
00:12:50
Savage Boston
Yeah, absolutely.
00:12:59
@DougKyed
I think Caden Wallace will be on the team of this year. Like there, it was something truly crazy would have to happen, but like still, he's a guy that did almost nothing last year. And he's certainly not going to be a starter this year over Will Campbell or Morgan Moses.
00:13:14
@DougKyed
Then you get down to Leighton Robinson, who's buried on the depth chart right now.
00:13:14
Snooty
well
00:13:17
@DougKyed
Marcellus Dial did almost nothing on defense last year. He's a special teams guy only. Joe Milton's already off the roster and Jaheim Bell had more passes that hit his hands and hit the ground.
00:13:28
@DougKyed
in spring than anyone else.
00:13:30
Savage Boston
heard he was really bad.
00:13:30
@DougKyed
Like he, he certainly doesn't look like lost roster. So like it's, I, I was still kind of holding out hope at the end of last year for this draft class. it's certainly possible. Once again, Jim Polkin, Wallace, Jayvon Baker, all these guys turn out, but like, I don't know. It last year's draft class could look really bad even as soon as this September.
Gerard Mayo's Coaching Tenure
00:13:50
Snooty
Yeah, i mean, when you take a tackle in the third round, to You take a right tackle in the third round to make him play left. He can't play either, and now he's taking reps at left guard. like that's It's a pretty bad indication of talent evaluation there.
00:14:02
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:14:03
@DougKyed
Yeah. And like, I guess ideal world, Cain Wallace is your starting left guard. Like ideal world for last year's draft draft class. Cain Wallace is your starting left guard in week one.
00:14:14
@DougKyed
So I'm not saying that's going to happen or anything like that, but like, we've at at least seen that be a possibility. Otherwise like ideal world, he's your backup right tackle. So yeah, it's, you would certainly expect more out of your right tackle than to have to go into this off season and and have to spend money on Morgan Moses to be your starting right tackle because he saw so little out of Caden Wallace last year.
00:14:33
@DougKyed
and And that to me is an indictment on the coaching staff as well last year. And not to get too deep into that, but it's just like, see what you have in the guy.
00:14:36
Snooty
Yeah.
00:14:40
@DougKyed
Like, why are you still trotting out Demontre Jacobs at the end of last season, but you're starting right tackle when you actually might have something on Caden Wallace and you're just never giving him that opportunity to show what he has.
00:14:41
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:14:51
Snooty
Yeah. I mean, Demontri Jacobs was borderline unplayable last year, especially down the stretch. and And some of it's not on him. Like he's just not, he just wasn't up to it.
00:14:59
@DougKyed
Right.
00:15:00
Snooty
They left him on an Island a lot. Like, but I agree. Like, Give the kid a chance, right? Like you literally can't get worse. I don't think Jacobs was, was above like the next, the worst rated offensive tackle last year.
00:15:12
@DougKyed
Yeah, he was he was pretty far down there. And like I'll tell you that like members of the front office were were on board with us, being like the coaching staff is being short-sighted and like trying to be as good as possible and trying to win and not being willing to play some of the younger players.
00:15:30
@DougKyed
And then obviously that didn't work out for them either.
00:15:30
Snooty
and
00:15:31
@DougKyed
They didn't win, they didn't play the young players, and now they're fired. So I would have certainly liked to have seen a lot more of the younger guys at the end of last season, especially, yeah, the draft picks.
00:15:40
Savage Boston
let me Let me ask you this quick, Doug, just a quick quick thing on the Mayo regime. Why was it, and again, I don't want to go all Mayo right now, but why was it that Gerard was truly convinced, like like really convinced that he had what felt like three seasons in him?
00:15:58
Savage Boston
You know, was it just that Kraft straight lied to him? Was it like, like he was at the end of the year, like, meh, you know, it felt like he was so confident he was coming back, you know, like, did he really believe that there was no reality where he could be fired?
00:16:11
@DougKyed
Yeah. I mean, I think probably as he got later and later into the season, maybe the reality set in a little bit, but yeah, I mean, he was telling the coaching staff at one point that, you know, we, we've got the time to rebuild. We've got two, three years to do this. Like we're, they're going to be patient with us.
00:16:29
@DougKyed
And I think that was the plan originally. I don't think Robert Kraft wanted to fire Gerard Mayo. ah
00:16:35
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:16:35
@DougKyed
But by the end of the season became kind of an untenable situation there. And I think that ultimately, obviously things are going to wind up being a lot better with Mike Vrabel and they made the right decision. um But no, I think that Gerard Mayo truly believed that Robert Kraft was going to give him three years ah to figure it out and and get things together. you You just don't have that long of a leash in the NFL. And obviously, Gerard Mayo learned that the hard way. But like I think there is a belief by someone within the building that Kraft almost did Mayo a favor.
00:17:09
@DougKyed
And I can't necessarily disagree with it. Because like can you imagine the conversation right now, if Gerard Mayo was still the head coach?
00:17:11
Savage Boston
They
00:17:15
@DougKyed
ah Can you imagine the conversation we would be having right now? Can you imagine Felger and Maz and all the radio stations? like Like, interest in the Patriots would be an all-time low.
00:17:21
Snooty
it
00:17:22
Savage Boston
just drag him.
00:17:26
@DougKyed
People would just be killing Gerard Mayo for every single thing that he's saying, everything that they're doing in the spring. Let's say that, like, Drake May, that practice he had four interceptions. That would have also been Gerard Mayo's fault.
00:17:36
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:17:38
@DougKyed
Like, everything would have been piled against Gerard Mayo. So, like... Yeah, it didn't go well. I'm sure that Gerard Mayo would still love to be an NFL head coach, but like, I also think his life is probably a lot more peaceful right now, not having this job.
Offensive Line Concerns
00:17:53
Savage Boston
I'm waiting for that first Gerard Mayo interview whenever that, that day comes.
00:17:57
@DougKyed
Right.
00:17:57
Savage Boston
I don't know. It's like, again, I bring this analogy up a lot. It reminds me of like Dan and Dave who produce game of Thrones who haven't done like a public appearance in like eight years.
00:18:05
@DougKyed
Right.
00:18:07
Savage Boston
Like, like how long is it going to take trod to come back and be like, Hey, I'm open for an interview. That season was pretty bad. Um, but yeah, so like, yeah, that was, that was interesting.
00:18:14
@DougKyed
Yeah.
00:18:17
Savage Boston
I'd say, you know, to pivot back to this season, obviously, um I find one of the biggest glaring spots on the roster, and I know people agree, um is the interior offensive line.
00:18:30
Savage Boston
And it feels to me like a bit of an oversight ah in roster building that they didn't ah address this with more urgency.
00:18:40
Savage Boston
um If you have a really faulty... interior line, I mean, like ah good D tackle can obviously break your pocket every play, right? Collapse the pocket. And so um when I look at someone like Joe Tooney, who again, i harp on almost every single podcast, like why weren't they in on Joe Tooney for like a future fourth who would have solidified that left guard rule would have been perfect for this team um as a, as a vet next to Will Campbell. Like, so what do you, do you feel like they could have done more or should have done more to address the interior line?
00:19:12
@DougKyed
I think they could have. And yeah, i mean, with Tooney, I think they just valued the draft picks more than they valued getting 30 plus year old guard. And like, you can, you can like have either take on that one.
00:19:25
@DougKyed
Ultimately, I don't think they were competitive this year anyway, but it it does like to your point, allow you to have more structure on offense, the better your your interior offensive line is.
00:19:36
@DougKyed
I mean, Center, I think, will be solid, whether it's Garrett Bradbury or Jared Wilson. Right guard, obviously, with Michael Ueno, you're pretty solid there. And yeah, like left guard, it's still a question mark. And I, mean, that's even a position that I don't even know like who they could possibly get, but like, would it be shocking if the starting left guard in week one isn't even on the roster at this point?
00:20:01
@DougKyed
Not necessarily. i think that they want to try everyone out at that position.
00:20:03
Savage Boston
yeah
00:20:05
@DougKyed
Currently we're seeing a lot of Cole strange. um We're seeing some Caden Wallace. We saw some Tyrese Robinson, not seeing a whole lot of Leighton Robinson right now, which I mean, late,
00:20:15
Savage Boston
He's going to get cut.
00:20:17
@DougKyed
I think yeah he wasn't, he's not on my 53 man roster projection. I'll say that right now. Like he wasn't good last year.
00:20:22
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:20:23
Snooty
yeah
00:20:24
@DougKyed
And think Gerard Mayo and the coaching staff just loved him. And I can't necessarily blame the current coaching staff if they don't feel the same way about him, just because like he really did struggle that much.
00:20:35
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:20:35
@DougKyed
I, I think they'll get one way or another. you know, at least mediocre play out of a left guard. And it's it's hard to re I don't know, to reinvigorate your entire entire roster in one offseason.
00:20:52
@DougKyed
And like, if there's one position that you didn't quite figure out, you could do worse than left guard. Like you'd rather be a left guard than either of the tackle positions. You'd rather be a left guard than than center.
00:21:04
@DougKyed
You'd rather be a left guard than a lot of other positions. So think they'll figure it out If it's Cole strange, obviously there's some question marks with him coming back from the injury still, but like when Cole strange was your starting left guard for the two or three seasons, he was a starting left guard.
00:21:20
@DougKyed
Was he amazing? Absolutely not. Was he the level of offensive line play that we saw last year? Also, no, like he would have been one of the better starters on the offensive line last year, even if we're talking about like 2023 level Cole strange.
00:21:29
Snooty
Thank you.
00:21:34
@DougKyed
So I wouldn't say it's like the biggest level of concern for me on this team, But you would like to have that figured out. I would personally like to see that figured out by like the second week of camp, just because I want to know what the starting offensive line is.
00:21:46
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:21:48
@DougKyed
I want them to gel. I don't want it to be week four or five of training camp like it was last year and still being like, all right, we're mixing matching guys. Let's see where they fit in. I thought that was a really bad way ah to to formulate the the starting ah offense last year by mixing and matching as long as they did.
00:22:06
Snooty
And I think that's actually, I know it's only, you know, minicamp in May, but like that was one of the positive things I took from like the highlights of minicamp is that they stuck Will Campbell at left tackle and said, that's where you're going to play.
00:22:16
@DougKyed
Right.
00:22:17
Snooty
Right.
00:22:17
@DougKyed
Yes.
00:22:17
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:22:17
Snooty
Like they're not, they're not toying around. They're not getting cute with it. Like that's where you're going to play. And I agree. I would like to see them build some type of continuity. Let the O-line gel a little bit, knowing there's going to be some growing pains, especially when you switch offensive systems to make back to McDaniels.
00:22:32
@DougKyed
Yeah, for sure. No, I agree. I thought that was, yeah, like four spots are set as of this point. that That fifth spot's got to be set soon, though.
00:22:40
Savage Boston
My concern, so like just um not to hammer Bradbury, but basically like when you, when you, we go by PFF again, premises every single time, like it's the, it's the metrics we have.
00:22:47
@DougKyed
Right.
00:22:49
Savage Boston
I know nobody, not everyone loves, including Snooty. Not everybody everybody loves PFF, but it's the rating system I have available. um Like Garrett Bradbury last season was, they gave him a 48 grade.
00:23:01
Savage Boston
He was the 55th ranked pass blocking center out of 64 qualified centers. um That combined with not knowing the left guard and my fear that Will Campbell, you know, let's see how he does out there in pass blocking situations.
00:23:16
Savage Boston
Like all of a sudden, could you have a center and left side of your own line that is not adequate for Drake May?
00:23:23
@DougKyed
Yeah, it's certainly possible, but I think that Jared Wilson could potentially push Garrett Bradbury. Like, Jared Wilson's not out there right now because he's limited, but it wouldn't shock me to to see him get some snaps there to see if he can be a ah week one starter.
00:23:28
Savage Boston
That'd be great.
00:23:37
@DougKyed
And I think that they feel confident that Garrett Bradbury can be ah a veteran presence, like a decent enough center in there. I think that that's why they signed him. That's why they brought him in to to ensure that they've got a guy there.
00:23:46
Snooty
so
00:23:48
@DougKyed
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Bradbury definitely was not great last year, but there's a reason why he's been a starter for as long as he has in the NFL. like and And there's a reason why a lot of the guys at the Patriots were playing at center last year haven't been starters in the NFL.
00:24:04
@DougKyed
So um I have enough confidence in Bradbury to to just like see how it goes.
00:24:05
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:24:11
@DougKyed
And I think it was smart for them ah to to draft Wilson as well. And like to to the guard point where could they have done more? I think they wanted to in the draft, but like, I think there were a couple of opportunities there where they could have drafted a guard.
00:24:23
@DougKyed
That guy went off the board. Then they like wound up with um ah ah what was it? They wound up with Jared Wilson in one spot um and then Henderson then and the other spot.
00:24:32
Snooty
Was it Henderson?
00:24:34
Savage Boston
We got Henderson instead of Savanella or whatever.
00:24:37
@DougKyed
Yeah, exactly. So like, I think the the idea was there, but sometimes guys just didn't like fall to them where they, where they potentially could have gone.
00:24:45
Snooty
So kind of two part question. Is it, are we putting too much faith in or is the team putting too much faith in the fact that going back to McDaniels, he's known to be able to help out the lineman a little bit.
00:24:56
Snooty
And like, he has a very good feel for the game, but is that kind of being overstated or do we have too much confidence in that to help the O-line?
00:25:02
@DougKyed
I think, I think it might be too much confidence.
00:25:02
Snooty
Yeah.
00:25:04
@DougKyed
I think that that is one where like, I still don't expect this to be a upper tier offensive line in the NFL. I think it'll probably at least to start off, have some growing pains. Like Will Campbell is not going to be at his best from week one this season.
00:25:18
@DougKyed
You've got to just give him time and give him patience because
00:25:18
Savage Boston
no
00:25:22
@DougKyed
I think a lot of that was Dante Skarniecki. Like ah that, that's why the Patriots offensive line was able to be so good with like undrafted guys and converted wrestlers and all that kind of stuff on the offensive line.
00:25:35
@DougKyed
And, you know, maybe they get there this year with Doug Marone, maybe Marone could be exactly what they need, but, i i give a lot more of the credit there to Skarnakia that I do with McDaniels.
00:25:47
@DougKyed
And I'm also curious to see like what techniques they're actually going to be trotting out this year if Miron's going borrowing from Skarnakia, if he's doing his own thing. Because like... I think the one thing that Skarniecki always did a really good job of was he would have his tackles basically just like direct the edge defenders behind the quarterback, behind Brady.
00:26:09
@DougKyed
Like he would he would allow them to over-pursue and then have the tackles just kind of kick back,
00:26:13
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:26:15
@DougKyed
throw them behind Brady Brady. We get the ball out quickly. I don't know if that's Marone's approach. I don't know if that's going approach with Drake man there too, because he might hold the ball longer than, than Tom Brady. So I don't put as much stock that like, okay, it worked with McDaniels on the off offensive line before we know it'll happen again this year.
00:26:30
@DougKyed
That one I'm not that committed to.
00:26:32
Snooty
Because i id like I personally like the Will Campbell pick. I like Will Campbell as a prospect. Any tackle that that's that's that big with really good feet is is I'm always going to like.
00:26:43
@DougKyed
For sure.
00:26:43
Snooty
um I would have felt better if he had someone like Skarnecchia, someone with a proven track record of enhancing technique, because I think that's how you're going to get the most out of Will Campbell, both this year and in his whole career.
00:26:55
@DougKyed
No, absolutely. i agree. And i think at least they've got ah veteran ah offensive line coach in Doug Marone. He's obviously not as proven as Skarnakia, but like you can't just find a Dante Skarnakia.
00:27:04
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:27:07
@DougKyed
So you hope that Marone can plug in. He's got some young coaches underneath them as well. Like they they really invested a lot in the offensive line coaching. So I think that, i don't know. I mean, we'll see how it goes. Hopefully these guys can can really develop Campbell and Wilson and maybe even some of the undrafted guys, some of the younger guys like Leighton Robinson.
Drake May's Development in Training Camp
00:27:29
@DougKyed
ah But it's like offensive line as a whole is probably still my biggest question mark on the team.
00:27:36
Savage Boston
Now, when you're down there watching, let's say, like, just minicamp and OTAs, is there anything you see from Will Campbell that would indicate you think he could potentially struggle with speed because of his length? Like, have you seen that in person at all?
00:27:51
@DougKyed
No, not necessarily. And like, I really try to not judge the offensive line based off OTAs or minicamp at all, just because like, there's no pads.
00:27:59
Savage Boston
Yeah, no pads.
00:28:01
@DougKyed
And like, I almost think it's like unfair when a edge defender will like,
00:28:04
Snooty
Honestly.
00:28:07
@DougKyed
beat an offensive lineman for a sack because it's like, well, what was the offensive lineman really supposed to do there? You know, like if, if he can't contact him, if he can't like smack him on his butt, then like, you're not getting a full sense of what the offensive line can do.
00:28:13
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:28:21
@DougKyed
So I, I would really prefer to wait until training camp on that one, just because like, otherwise i'd be kind of talking on my ass with it So once we see the one on ones, I think we'll get a much better sense.
00:28:32
@DougKyed
um And once the preseason especially will get a much better sense. But like, yeah, the offensive line, when we're getting beat by by the edge defenders this spring.
00:28:43
@DougKyed
But like, I don't know, it's really hard to say that that there's too much like to take away from that.
00:28:49
Savage Boston
what what's goingnna be um What do you think is going to be kind of your favorite storyline to cover come training camp?
00:28:53
Snooty
Thank you.
00:28:56
Savage Boston
What's going the most interesting storyline for you personally?
00:29:00
@DougKyed
I think it always starts with the quarterback, just seeing what Drake May's development is, because like we saw him have some up and down moments this spring. We saw the practice for interceptions didn't finish off that strong, but I'd always throw in that like they were practicing in a bubble.
00:29:14
@DougKyed
it was like one practice. don't think you can get a full sense of things inside the inside the field house, but. Yeah, I mean, just Drake May's development, seeing how he does with Josh McDaniels, ah seeing if he can continue that upper trajectory that we started to see during the spring, see how many design runs they can mix in, see how his speed ah fits into Josh McDaniels offense.
00:29:35
@DougKyed
All of those things will be really fun for
Patriots' Season Expectations
00:29:37
@DougKyed
me to see. Like the secondary but one would just be the wide receivers and see how that all shakes out. ah But number one is definitely going May.
00:29:44
Savage Boston
I mean, i i wonder, like, obviously, we're we're so high on we're so high on the team. Like, we're so desperate for this team to get better again, right? Myself. Myself included, we're desperate, desperate for the team to improve because I think they were much worse right than any of us really anticipated having those two seasons and and really the drama that came with having these horrible seasons. So, I mean, do you feel like everyone's expectations have gotten out of hand this season?
00:30:10
Savage Boston
and And, you know, like ah my my upside hope is like 10 wins and a wildcard berth, right? That's the dream. But do you feel like that's like, have we gotten away out of pocket, as the kids might say?
00:30:22
@DougKyed
I think I would lean towards. Yes. Like everyone looks at the schedule and is saying like, okay, it's, you know, whatever seven, eight, nine wins minimum or whatever.
00:30:26
Savage Boston
but
00:30:32
@DougKyed
It's like, listen, the Patriots roster is still not one of the best in the NFL by a long shot. And Personally, i think the depth could definitely be a major issue on this team as well.
00:30:44
@DougKyed
Like if anything happens on the defensive line and then you're counting on once again, like Jeremiah Farms, Kyrus Tonga being your top defensive tackles, think there's depth issues at linebacker as well.
00:30:56
@DougKyed
There's serious depth issues at cornerback, like behind Christian Gonzalez and Carlton Davis.
00:30:56
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:31:01
@DougKyed
And obviously you hope neither one of those goes down, one of those guys goes downs with down with an injury. But like, you're talking about like, you know, I don't i don't know, ah Alex Austin, Marcel has dial, even like Marcus Jones has been a ah decent slot cornerback, but certainly not in the upper echelon safety. They've got some good depth, but like they built out a pretty good starting offense and defense. And like, that's the most you can hope for and free agency in the draft.
Recent Draft Class Evaluation
00:31:30
@DougKyed
Um, But I think the next step for this team in the next few off seasons is to start building out that depth a little bit more because like this team really does not have many high end players.
00:31:41
@DougKyed
And God forbid, if they lose any of those guys, then you might be looking once again at like a four or five win team.
00:31:46
Snooty
And I think that's where, to your point, Drake may, might be the only person from last year. That's where those types of drafts hurt you. I mean, I would trade six players in a draft for, to get your franchise quarterback, but there's a price for that.
00:31:54
@DougKyed
For sure.
00:31:59
Snooty
Right. And they've had too many of those drafts like that in the past. And even Marcus Jones is hurt all the time. Right. He's been hurt every year that he's been there, which is, it's hard to rely on someone like that.
00:32:10
Snooty
Um, yeah, I guess kind of question I had is like, what are what are your thoughts on the rest of the draft class outside of Will Campbell? Like, I know Henderson's looked supposedly ah incredibly explosive, which is obviously a missing element for the team, but rounds two through seven, how they look so far.
00:32:19
@DougKyed
Yeah.
00:32:26
@DougKyed
i think I think Henderson will probably start off being like your your change of pace back. His speed really is great. um I think we'll see him catching balls out of the backfield, being an early down runner at times.
00:32:37
@DougKyed
I still think it's like Ramondre Stevenson's job, but I think Henderson will be mixed in. Kyle Williams, I'm curious about, like if he can emerge as a starter. I didn't see enough in the spring to say like this guy going to be a week one starter, ah but obviously still a lot of potential with him.
00:32:53
@DougKyed
Jared Wilson, i think it's possible that he could win that starting center job, but definitely would not be shocked if they wanted to play it safe and have Garrett Bradbury be the guy right away.
00:33:01
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:33:03
@DougKyed
But i think that Wilson is your your future starting center. ah Craig Woodson, wouldn't be shocked if he was a starter in week one. I think that you'd have to kind of, it would have to be this coaching staff saying to themselves, we don't want two strong safeties as our, so as our safeties.
00:33:21
@DougKyed
We don't want it to be your real peppers and Kyle Duggar. So that's the only way I really see Craig Woodson starting, but I think that he could be a deep safety in this defense. ah Joshua farmer, I think will be a depth defensive lineman, Brandon Swinson, depth edge defender.
00:33:34
@DougKyed
Borg Ellis, I think is going to win the kicking job. Marcus Bryant's been getting a lot of opportunities at tackle. So definitely curious to see if he can like round into shape as being like a ah swing tackle, backup left tackle, see what happens there.
00:33:44
Savage Boston
Bye.
00:33:46
@DougKyed
And then beyond that, obviously you have the long snapper and then Kobe Miners kind of a fringe roster player, but I think they've got a potential to make ah a pretty serious impact. But for some of these guys, it might not be until mid season that we really start to see them make that impact.
00:34:03
Savage Boston
I think so many of these players too that obviously were, we're you know, on the last few seasons of of failure kind of, you know, a lot of these guys, Vrabel wants no part of, right? He clearly made it a huge point of emphasis to get rid of almost every single captain they had from last season, um which is interesting, right? Like he wanted none of that leadership from last season.
00:34:24
Savage Boston
And for this, like it brings me to a couple, you know, again, someone like Kyle Duggar, you know, like who's to say Duggar doesn't get moved or is he getting just paid too much money? You know, like ah someone like that, I could see not necessarily a cut because I don't know.
00:34:34
@DougKyed
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:37
Savage Boston
i don't I'm not looking at his contract. I don't know what his dead cap would be. But like players like that who who were veterans have been here for a while. Duggars, I think one of like the longest tenured Patriots or if not the longest.
00:34:48
@DougKyed
yeah
00:34:48
Savage Boston
um Yeah, go for it.
00:34:51
@DougKyed
No, I mean, it is interesting. Like, I think that safety is an interesting position. And I'm absolutely not going to, like, predict a surprise cut with those guys or anything like that.
00:34:59
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:35:00
@DougKyed
But, like, it takes a special defense to be willing to go in with Jabril Peppers and Kyle Duggar as your two starting safeties. Just because they both are bigger body, 215, 220. Like,
00:35:13
Savage Boston
Now that you're talking about it, I feel like it's not going to happen.
00:35:13
@DougKyed
they're more
00:35:16
Savage Boston
You've now convinced me that one of them are getting moved or cut.
00:35:18
@DougKyed
Well, like, ah we with Duggar and Peppers, both guys are more like hybrid linebackers than they are hybrid free safeties.
00:35:22
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:35:25
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:35:27
@DougKyed
You know what mean?
00:35:28
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:35:28
@DougKyed
And it worked what it, 2023? That was... twenty twenty three that was That was the year that McCourty had already retired, right? So, like, in 2023, it went fine. 2024, both guys, like, Peppers had his issues.
00:35:44
@DougKyed
Kyle Duggar got injured, so we didn't really get to see what it fully looked like. But, like, Mike Vrabel and Terrell Williams have to be willing to have two strong safety, hybrid linebacker, bigger bodies as his starting safeties.
00:35:57
@DougKyed
And once again, certainly not going to say that either one of those guys gets cut. But this is also a team that leads the NFL in cap space. So if any team could take a cap hit in 2025 and then therefore like save money in 2026, it would be the Patriots.
00:36:11
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:36:18
@DougKyed
So like, I don't necessarily look at some of the contracts as being like that big of albatrosses for the Patriots, because like, even if cutting a guy subtracts cap space this year,
00:36:31
@DougKyed
still means they're saving cap space in 2026 and they can afford to subtract cap space.
Speculation on Surprise Roster Cuts
00:36:37
@DougKyed
So like, I'm um like almost anyone could kind of be a surprise cut on this roster just based on their cap situation.
00:36:45
Savage Boston
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be like i wouldn't be surprised by anything. I think at this point, I wouldn't be surprised, especially like craig someone like Craig Woodson who they want to be that true free safety everybody talks about.
00:36:50
@DougKyed
Right. I
00:36:56
Savage Boston
And he's older, right? Isn't he like 24, something like that?
00:36:58
@DougKyed
think so. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:00
Savage Boston
So it's someone like, okay, he's an older guy. Like, could he hypothetically, could he step in? You know, Kyle Duggar would have probably a little too much dead cap this year unless they want to move him. His dead cap hit would be $23 million.
00:37:13
Savage Boston
um
00:37:13
@DougKyed
It's large.
00:37:13
Savage Boston
I mean, you could do it, but that's a lot of dead cap.
00:37:16
@DougKyed
Yeah, it is.
00:37:17
Savage Boston
$9 million next year. um So, like, they could look to move him um if they want. But, like, but you're right. Spelling it out when you say you got two big bodies. And then' like, Marte Mapu, they're just like, all right, he's a linebacker now.
00:37:28
Savage Boston
Like, again,
00:37:29
@DougKyed
right.
00:37:29
Savage Boston
He making the team? You know, I don't know.
00:37:32
@DougKyed
I mean, it's not looking great for him right now.
00:37:33
Savage Boston
Like, there's so many, like.
00:37:35
@DougKyed
i will say that we are now post-June 1, so Duggar would have $14 million in dead money. It would still save them a million dollars in cap space. Not saying it's going to happen, once again.
00:37:46
@DougKyed
But like ah since it is post-June 1, some of that dead money becomes a little bit less.
00:37:46
Savage Boston
Oh, it changed after June 1.
00:37:49
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:37:53
@DougKyed
But like with Mapu, it moved him to linebacker.
00:37:53
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:37:57
@DougKyed
But I see him even currently at linebacker behind Christian Ellis, Jack Gibbons, um Robert Spillane, and Jeline Tavai.
00:38:08
@DougKyed
So they would have to be willing to keep five inside linebackers for him to make the roster. certainly possible, especially ta buy starts ah the summer on pop and, but Mop would like really have to excel to move up that depth chart and make, and be a ah lock to make the team like even Anthony Jennings andre and free Jennings was all my 53 man roster projection.
00:38:15
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:38:30
Savage Boston
I like Jennings.
00:38:31
@DougKyed
just because like i kind of ran out of guys to put on. But like when you watch practice, Jennings is running with like the third team right now, which is super eyeopening for a lot of those guys that came into this year as, you know, every year starts like Anthony Jennings has started almost every game over the last two seasons.
00:38:39
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:38:51
@DougKyed
He's a really solid player. He's a perfect fit in a bill Belichick defense.
00:38:52
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. who
00:38:55
@DougKyed
I don't know if he's a ah perfect fit in a Mike Rabel defense. And at that position, like you've got Keon White, you've got Caleb on Jason above him. You've got Harold Landry above him.
00:39:06
@DougKyed
um Braden Swinson's going make the team. So once again, like I think they probably keep five edge defenders and and Jennings will be one of those guys. But like just seeing where he's practicing and who's practicing with has been super eye opening this this spring.
00:39:20
Snooty
Could they try to leverage some of that strong safety kind of, you know, bigger body safety depth a little bit to try to keep someone off of the inside interior linebacker spot, try to save a roster spot that way?
00:39:32
@DougKyed
Yeah, it's it's certainly possible. like They could try to move Duggar or Peppers into more of a hybrid linebacker role. I'd have to look into it to see like how that actually worked um with variables defenses in the past because like their linebackers were already so undersized and and speedy that like maybe they don't necessarily...
00:39:48
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:39:52
@DougKyed
value that in the same way as the Patriots did when they had like these like 260 pound linebackers um like John Bentley. But yeah, it's possible that if they're not incredibly happy with their linebacker depth, then they could do that. But like at the same time,
00:40:08
@DougKyed
Spillane's going to starter. They're paying Christian Ellis like $7 million dollars a year. Jalani Tavai was in the mix as a starter. So like, I don't know if they're really gonna be wanting to take those guys off the field to put an extra safety in there.
00:40:21
@DougKyed
I think like still though, in an ideal world, you would you would want to keep players as talented as Jabril Peppers and Kyle Duggar on this roster. But it just becomes about money if like one of those guys for one reason or another is isn't going to be a starter.
00:40:33
Savage Boston
Yeah. All right, Doug, we're going wrap it up soon. Appreciate your time. i just want one last question. What would be, ah give me your biggest, don't know, your biggest shocker, your biggest surprise, surprise cut this off season.
00:40:47
@DougKyed
Ooh, that's, that's, that's tough because like, we've already talked about so many of them.
00:40:47
Savage Boston
Bold take.
00:40:53
@DougKyed
um good Lord. Like, uh, this is tough. Um,
00:41:01
Savage Boston
Just trying to watch you struggle.
00:41:01
Snooty
Drake Merritt.
00:41:03
@DougKyed
I know because like, I can so already see this being like put on Twitter or whatever it is.
00:41:08
Savage Boston
yeah Hey, I won't do it. I'm not doing
00:41:10
@DougKyed
All right. I guess I would say one of the safeties, like, ah if if If Peppers or Duggar was left off the roster, either in a trade or cut or whatever it was, like I think that would probably be at least like the most reasonable surprise cut.
00:41:19
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:41:25
@DougKyed
Because I don't see it happening with Ramondre-Stevenson. I guess Jalen Polk would probably... be in the mix there just because he was like a second round pick last year.
00:41:33
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:41:34
@DougKyed
Like he would be the most surprising one that I personally left off of my 53 man roster projection. ah so I guess I would say him as well, but like as we've, as this conversation is kind of gone, it does feel like there's a lot on the table as far as surprise cuts go just because
00:41:40
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:41:48
Savage Boston
Oh, yeah.
00:41:51
Savage Boston
We're
00:41:53
@DougKyed
There are so many players left over from Bill Belichick and Gerard Mayo's defenses, and we don't know that they necessarily fit into Mike Vrabel's defense.
00:41:58
Snooty
Mm-hmm.
00:42:01
Savage Boston
That's what I feel like. I feel like, honestly, there's no wrong answer.
00:42:04
@DougKyed
Yeah.
00:42:04
Savage Boston
Like, dead serious. I wasn't doing that on purpose, but I feel like there's truly no wrong.
00:42:07
@DougKyed
oh Yeah.
00:42:08
Savage Boston
You could have said almost any player, and I'd be like, that's a good point. You know, like, like there's no, this way it's not even, doesn't matter who clips what, because the problem is the roster had so many holes, and we're just trying to find out who who's a player, who's a variable player,
Conclusion and Final Thoughts
00:42:23
@DougKyed
like
00:42:23
Savage Boston
who's a guy that he loves and wants to keep.
00:42:26
Savage Boston
You know, ah something that would be a true shock if, like, Harold Landry just, like, can't ball. And they, they fucked that up.
00:42:30
@DougKyed
Right. Yeah. That would be truly shocking. Yeah.
00:42:32
Savage Boston
You know Because his pass rush win rate was really poor. People online can get mad at me when I yell about Harold Landry's pass rush win rate. Um, people are crazy, but anyway, appreciate your time greatly. I'm going to wrap it up here. Cause I don't want to take too much of your time out.
00:42:46
@DougKyed
Cool. Sounds good. No, this was fun. Thanks for having me on.
00:42:48
Savage Boston
Yeah. And, uh, don't leave yet. Cause I want the audio to upload.
00:42:51
@DougKyed
Yes.
00:42:52
Snooty
Thank you.