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17 | Avoiding Sickness and Recovering When You Get Sick
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Last week Jacob was down for the count with what we think was food poisoning. Which is ironic because we were originally going to record episode 16 as an episode discussing what we do to keep our immune systems up as well as go over what happens when we do get sick and how we react/recover from an illness. Ended up saving that for this week instead!
We hope you enjoy episode 17 and learn a little about how we deal with acute illnesses.
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Marathon Preparation and Training
00:00:37
Jacob Oak
That's awkward. Flooper. Maybe you if we can figure out how Zencast will allow us to do it. Oh no, there is an intro.
00:00:48
Jacob Oak
Ignore that part. Welcome back. How are you? Welcome back. Clearly, Jacob hasn't been on here for a few weeks. I haven't podcasted for a while. I don't remember how to talk. I don't remember how to work the sound bar. Nothing. It's a good week to be back. Are you alive? Yeah, barely. No, I'm good now.
00:01:06
Jacob Oak
I got the sickness out of the way, so now we get to taper. How many weeks? ah Three weeks from today. In three weeks, I'll be done with the marathon. Yay. Which is exciting. Yeah. Exciting same for everyone. It's what? Exciting for everyone. Yeah, I think we're all excited. so where We're getting to the dog days of CIM training for sure. The last month,
00:01:31
Jacob Oak
or October and November. Well, October is pretty, a pretty fun month. And then I'd say around this time in November, you just, again, you see everyone else chilling and you're like, all right, I think I'm ready to take a break, but you don't get to yet. So. The weather's been pretty much cooperating though. Yeah. it's sorry We got through, I think it's supposed to snow on Monday.
00:01:53
Jacob Oak
Maybe this figure something, but, and I have, I mean, we still have, I'm going to probably do 50 miles this week and next week probably like 40. So it's like I'm done done running by any means, but for the most part in like the very quality peak of the training cycle, blah, blah, blah, there has not been snow and it hasn't been that cold. I had to wear pants like twice so far, yeah which is lucky. Yeah. I went on a bike ride today and was in shorts.
00:02:21
Jacob Oak
And it's November 17th. Yeah. Yeah. Kind
Kaley's Focus on Feminine Energy and Stress Management
00:02:28
Jacob Oak
of crazy. It's almost Thanksgiving. We should do a grateful episode on Thanksgiving. I was thinking about that. That'd be fun. Yeah. So episode 17. Yeah. Episode 17. How are you feeling in general, Kaley? What's been going on in your life? Before we get into the meat and butter of this episode, what we're going to talk about,
00:02:51
Jacob Oak
I've been getting into my feminine lately. Yeah. The Anna stuff, the Anna episode inspired you a little bit. That inspired me. And we're getting into a more yin time of the year, which is more of like the resting and going inward. Yeah. And that's kind of what fall and winter are all about. And normally I just keep plowing through because I'm training for a race and that's just my personality.
00:03:19
Jacob Oak
but I'm really going to embrace the recovery, the rest, and I have three R's, recovery, rest, and receiving. Those are my big words for the winter. Do you want to break those all down, Mar? What does that look like for you like right now, I guess? Yeah, I mean, so when I'm talking about like getting in the feminine, I feel like that can go a lot of ways, but I have been meditating. This is a new,
00:03:49
Jacob Oak
new thing started four days ago with the goal of meditating every day for a week which normally I'm not about just going straight into doing something every day that I haven't been doing in a while but I started getting like jaw pain where like not even jaw but like my masseter muscles so like the muscles like in your cheeks that like allow you to chew and stuff have just been like super tight and I've never experienced that before And then I went to see my chiropractor at Northwestern this week and immediately she was like, how's the stress in your life? And there's, there's just been a lot going on the last few weeks at like the political environment in the world. And just like, I think a lot of things that maybe I hadn't acknowledged, I guess. And my like, just crazy how the body remembers.
00:04:48
Jacob Oak
things from your past. And I think it was just holding in a lot of tension. So I had acupuncture, massage, and chiral last week. And after all of those, it helped a lot, but then it was still kind of like creeping back again. So I was like, I need to do something else myself. So I started meditating again. And honestly, like everyone who does meditate talks about how big of a difference it makes.
00:05:17
Jacob Oak
And it's just something and I just don't make the time for, but I've been using the, I really like the Calm app and they have a daily 10 minute meditation that you can
Balancing Productivity and Restful Activities
00:05:28
Jacob Oak
do. And it's just super easy to follow and I don't have to worry about it. And I can just sit there. I know it's going to be 10 minutes long. And yeah, we're on day three of, I'm three for four right now. And I didn't do one day because I got the massage. So I figured that was pretty meditative in itself.
00:05:46
Jacob Oak
And so I'm feeling a lot better until tonight. Now that we're getting ready for the work week again, it's slightly coming back. But anyways, that's one of the things I'm doing. And then I also journaled and my massage therapist Sarah said that I should start doing more like creative things. And so I journaled and my goal is to make candles here. I don't think I told you this, but I got a candle making kit like over a year ago.
00:06:16
Jacob Oak
and I've just never done it. What's that look? You did not tell me this. It's in the laundry room on the shelf, but I'm going to make candles to express my creative side and what's, oh yeah. And I played piano yesterday and it's feeling good. Just to like not do things that are, I feel like the productive thing is so hard and cause We've talked about this a lot, but it's like everything we do, it's like, okay, what's the point of this? Like what's the health benefit or what's the recovery benefit? And I'm still working on that. But at the same time, I do think all these things are good, like getting music back into my life and making things. And I feel like I've been cooking more and really enjoying that and exploring like different recipes. Yeah. You really like, I love your cooking benefit from that. And yeah, I think it just makes me,
00:07:15
Jacob Oak
like a calmer person and I have a very hard time sitting still. So I feel like these are good ways for, I see you, big nods. These are good ways for me to rest a little bit, but still like feel productive and feel good. And it's baby steps for me. And if that means, you know, meditating piano, like,
00:07:43
Jacob Oak
Those are some good things, I feel like. Yeah. And the meditating, like just to sit with yourself for even just 10 minutes a day. I mean, you sit and scroll on your phone for probably a lot more than 10 minutes a day, but to just like truly just sit there with your eyes closed. I feel like if everyone was doing that and just bring a lot of benefit, and this is something I'm hoping to be doing all winter now, especially since I'm not doing like a bunch of hours training for something. And yeah,
00:08:20
Jacob Oak
so that's kind of where where I've been at, exploring some different avenues that I haven't done in a long time. You've been working in. Working inward. Working in. I sat and drank coffee. I think this was like 10 days ago now. I sat and drank coffee.
00:08:40
Jacob Oak
That was it. That was it. I know. Great. I know. It was like for five minutes. It wasn't long, but normally I'll get up and drink coffee and read or sc scroll my phone or like do something, you know? And I, I listened to your podcast with Anna and think she said something about doing that. Yeah.
00:09:04
Jacob Oak
And so I remembered that and it was like five 30 in the morning and I'm just like, I'm going to sit here for a little bit until I don't want to. I just did that, drank my coffee and yeah, it was great. And I am, I think part of it is it's a mixture of things, right? It's like partly burnout. I don't like that terms of not burnt out, but like getting tired of the routine you're in, right? So you want to switch things up and also partly,
00:09:34
Jacob Oak
accepting that like the hustle mentality, it goes in waves, right? And when you're not in the mood to hustle hard, essentially, whether it's because things are going decent or because you're just tired of hustling, whatever it is, right? Whatever it is, I just kind of have lately been feeling like I want to just do less and put it very bluntly. I want to just do less things, you know, and
00:10:07
Jacob Oak
ah You know, example, right? Typically, normally, if I start my day at seven or six, like my first client, some of those times, I really like to get out at least 90 minutes, if not two hours beforehand, because I get to like, get up, drink coffee, read, do work for the day, whatever, right? But the thing is, is when I do that, it's like I start my work day right away.
00:10:33
Jacob Oak
Realistic. I'm not really like doing anything like any working it or I'll like maybe we try to fit a run in or you know different things like that and Right now I'm at a point where I'm like I just don't want to do that and like I have gaps throughout my day pretty much every day of like Depends on the day where a lot of times I'll have gaps but like an hour or two. I have that time built into the day Right, so Now, I've been trying to be okay staying up a little later with like you, for example, maybe we go get dinner with friends or whatever, and then being okay sleeping in longer.
00:11:07
Jacob Oak
and then taking advantage and being smarter with my ah time in the middle of the day, right? Because what ends up happening is I get up, I try to work super hard in the morning, and then I go, like I feel flustered getting in my first clients, basically, because I'm so, you know, worked up a little bit already. I'm usually running late because I'm like trying to finish things in the morning, right? And then my gaps, I'm like,
00:11:30
Jacob Oak
filling them to be busy, but I'm not actually being productive because I did a lot of the stuff in the morning, you know? So it's just, I don't know if it's just time management, but you know, I think that was a little bit tangent from what I was originally trying to say, but no, I like it. So that's, that's kind of just finding the need to not constantly be busy. And I read something on Instagram the other day and they're talking about with your phone and they were like, try not bringing your phone to the bathroom.
00:11:59
Jacob Oak
and to the kitchen and to the bedroom and something.
Jacob's Illness and Training Adjustments
00:12:03
Jacob Oak
I'm terrible at waking up and laying in bed for a little bit on my phone because I need, I feel like I need a, your phone's not even next to your bed. It's usually, you know, I have to go go i and get my phone for me or I get, get it if you're already up, but yeah, i physically have to get up or you bring it over. And then I go back to bed just cause I like to slowly wake up.
00:12:28
Jacob Oak
But it's like, what if I just, I mean, there's so many different things like I've heard of in the mornings, you know, just lay in bed and almost like daydream of where you want your life to be or where you see yourself in the next five to 10 years. And, you know, picturing like if it's a house or family and like putting those thoughts into your mind first thing in the morning, or since I'm on my meditation kick, if I,
00:12:55
Jacob Oak
I don't know why it's so hard, but everywhere I'm like, Kaylee, just get up and go meditate. But my body still wants to be horizontal for a little bit. You're good at getting up and just like going straight to the couch and starting to read and like making your coffee. But it's all habits, you know? And once I start doing that, even like my meditation in the middle of the day, hopefully it'll just become habit and routine.
00:13:22
Jacob Oak
but it's all a process. Yeah. And like you say, you can tell that going into the winter, that's where these dips have like happen. Right. And then you lean into it. Yeah. Cause when on the winter, I'll be so fired up to train hard and like work harder. And you know, although right now it's like, I want to train less and work.
00:13:40
Jacob Oak
more like I want to work more with clients and work more with like the business. And its differentas for everything and right now, like I said, I'm not having to train as hard. So I can fit in things like playing piano and cooking and doing different things that I just haven't had the mental capacity. It's not like, yes, it's time to, there's just some things that I don't even have like the capacity to think about.
00:14:05
Jacob Oak
especially when you're running and training hard because your body's just constantly in the fight or flight mode and moving and going. And I'm excited for you to be there in three weeks with me. I kind of was there this week. Yeah, what happened? So I wasn't on the show last week. up Shout out Kaylee for carrying the team for us on her back. So Indi was lit.
00:14:40
Jacob Oak
Lightly set the water glass down. So we had Indy half, was that like 12 days ago, not 10 days ago? Eight days ago? Yeah. Which went really well. Really, really well. PR'd by like 90 seconds. And if you want, you know, my full race recap, I would go look at my Strava and follow me while you're there. Thanks, Strava guy.
00:15:04
Jacob Oak
But actually, though, I mean, they'll they'll have the full recap there, but they went really well. And then we drove home that same day. And Sunday, I felt pretty solid when I woke up. Saturday, I felt great after the race and the car and whatnot, and felt pretty solid when I woke up. And I went and lifted with a friend, and we went out to eat for lunch Sunday.
00:15:29
Jacob Oak
Then a Sunday night and Monday morning, i I just kind of felt weird. Sunday night, it was like, I thought it was anxiety. Like in my stomach, I just felt anxious, a little nauseous, but like, I was like, this is anxiety. I didn't really think much of it. So we saw it and I went to bed. Then Monday I woke up and I was like, my stomach was like crampy kind of. And I was like, weird. um And again, I've had like pretty wicked anxiety trips before. We're all like,
00:15:56
Jacob Oak
call off clients, and like I'm pretty good at recognizing that, and I'll be like, you need to go home and take a break. You're not just you're not present enough. And so I went to work Monday, and around 9 a.m., I just could tell, I was like, I'm not 100% with my clients. I'm gonna be done at noon. So I texted my afternoon clients, and I was like, I'm gonna be done today. I'm not feeling 100%.
00:16:20
Jacob Oak
But then around like 12, one, my stomach was like, I got the most I could ever been. I threw up constantly that whole afternoon Monday and like couldn't leave my bed, our bed Monday afternoon. I didn't got a bed until like, I don't know, six 30. So I was literally in bed for six hours. Like it was, it was a mess. Like I, I got, I ended up getting a fever. I got to call that work.
00:16:46
Jacob Oak
I'm still at giving treatments one day and called up and you're like, Kaylee, I think this is it. I was on my death bed, okay? This is my final goodbye. I might not make it by the time you get home. I might not be here. So I love you and just want you to know that. And then I was like, and also, can you give me some seven up? yeah The one with the cherry on it, the bottle.
00:17:16
Jacob Oak
Yeah. But, so, and then Tuesday I called all my clients off too. Went back on Wednesday, but, uh, that, you know, we, we came off indie and the plan was peak week, you know, like 60 miles. And then this next week was going to be a lot, you know, again, like the last two peak weeks of training, whatever. And I ended up getting the lowest week of miles I have ran in the past like 10, 11 weeks.
00:17:44
Jacob Oak
And it's kind of one of those things where it's like, you know, I was, I was really excited about how I was running 50 mile weeks so consistently. And I was like, this is probably going to end some point, but I really wanted to carry it through. And we, we planned on the half being the week, in which had dropped down. And so that week it dropped down to 42. And then last, you you know, last week on Monday, before I had even thrown up, yeah, I decided I was, there's no chance I'm running today. I did not feel right.
00:18:07
Jacob Oak
And then I was throwing up and it was like, nah, there is, yeah I can really walk. Right. So, uh, and then I, you know, Monday I'm like, well, I don't think I'm going to be getting about 50 this week. And then on Wednesday I realized that I'm not touching 40, you know, and it's just like, this is peak the peak week. So grappling with that. And luckily I've done this enough times where I'm like, okay,
00:18:33
Jacob Oak
You have the fitness, you're not gaining a lot at this point. All of this is kind of maintenance now. It is what it is. And like, it kind of sucks, but it is what it is. Right. So yeah. Um, so when you kind of, you have the other side of being a coach and.
00:18:53
Jacob Oak
Cause I know like there was one day when you wanted to run, but it was like, okay, what would, like, what would I tell my clients right now? Right. I mean, that was every day this week. that that the too This week was a good example of why it's good to have a coach yeah because like.
00:19:10
Jacob Oak
Matt, when I told him I was good to run again, I told him, I was like, we can try on Wednesday. And he's like, don't go more than four miles. So I ran four miles. And then, in my mind, I'm like, sick. We're doing eight the next day. And he's like, and no, you're doing four again. Don't go above four. And then that third day, we did six in strides. And that was probably because we were wanting to try to get that long running again.
00:19:33
Jacob Oak
We wanted to try to get the long run we planned for on Saturday. Like the rest of the week was scrapped. Once you miss those first three days, it's like, okay, now you got, you have to recover and you have like three days at least where you're going to have to chill and kind of like build back up.
Holistic Approaches to Illness Recovery
00:19:47
Jacob Oak
And that's where having a coach is beneficial because in my mind, I'm like, I want to, I need to be running 10 miles a day to make up for the three days I missed. And I am a coach, right? So, but the athlete side just starts coming into play. And so.
00:20:05
Jacob Oak
So yeah, but I think we wanted to, going off of that, spend some time the rest of the time here talking about what it is we do when we get sick. Because ironically, we were going to talk about that like last week, because we've both just gotten sick with, I don't even remember what we were sick with, but both of us had gotten sick. And then I got sick. And then you got really sick. Yeah. So do you want to, you know, going into the winter season,
00:20:34
Jacob Oak
Is there anything from like a TCM standpoint that you specifically wanted to say about illness and how like you are going to get sick, you at some point this in the next few months, like that's just life, right? And anything that you wanted to, and then should we just both kind of share how, like what I just did this past week when I got super sick versus if you get like a respiratory thing, you know, just different things like that. Yeah. Um, I definitely try to approach sickness like holistically,
00:21:05
Jacob Oak
And from, so like you said, everyone is going to get sick and I feel like I'm still kind of hard on myself when I do get sick. So it's like, I've done everything correctly and I eat well, I've been sleeping. And, but the reality is, is that you will get sick and that that's an okay thing because that means that you're building up your immune system. And maybe there's,
00:21:33
Jacob Oak
you know, germs, whatever that you haven't been exposed to you before, and then you get sick, and then ideally then your immune system is building itself up for then the next time that you're exposed to those same bacteria or viruses. And it doesn't necessarily mean that you did anything wrong. um From a Chinese medicine standpoint, our immune system is called our Weiqi in Chinese medicine. It's W-E-I-Q-I, Weiqi. And that's kind of like your defensive system. And I like to think of it as kind of like a cloak around you. And when you do come into contact with, you know, we call it external pathogens, so like bacteria, viruses, you're able to fight that off. And if your wagee is deficient, like if you don't have a strong enough immune system, or again, it's just too strong of a virus that you're being exposed to, that's when we can get sick.
00:22:31
Jacob Oak
And so I try to do everything, both of us try to do everything we can again to not get sick. And I feel like the things that we do to not get sick are then the things that we carry over like into when we also get sick. And you guys have heard, I talked about this last week too, but like eating and drinking warm things and like keeping your body very warm.
00:22:58
Jacob Oak
And even when you get sick, it's okay to work up like a light sweat. So I talked about this last week when I was recording about how you were taking a bath. And that's one way to induce like a light sweat. And you want to make sure that your feet are covered. So you're wearing socks, slippers, you're wearing, you know, you're using blankets. And this is even if you have a fever, because when your body temperature gets high,
00:23:27
Jacob Oak
That's not always a bad thing. Yes, if it's getting super high, then yes, go in, use a fever reducer. was you know Talk to your doctor. Don't. Just listen to me. and But if your temperature is high, that's good because that means your body is helping to fight off the virus. like That's your body's natural way of healing itself. And so if we can support it by also inducing a light sweat,
00:23:53
Jacob Oak
And if you think of, you know, when you are breaking a sweat, you know how you'll wake up in the middle of the night and you'll be covered in sweat. And then usually you'll feel better after that. You'll feel cooler because your body has finally like been able to break that and now starts to cool down. So I'm a big believer in, I don't really ever take fever reducers like Tylenol, um things like that, just because I don't want to diminish my body's ability to fight things off.
00:24:23
Jacob Oak
And I think there's a lot of opinions out there about that, but I feel like both of us are like that. And i would I choose to, with the warm things, like drink lots of bone broth and I have tons of herbs that I use. And like I talked about last week,
00:24:45
Jacob Oak
There's so many different herbs, like based off of what you're feeling. So like you were having a lot of digestive things. So I gave you a lot of different formulas than if you, you know, had been like coughing up along and if you hadn't had phlegm. But the cool thing is that there are so many different things you can take, including herbs to improve your way to your build up your immune system so that you don't get sick in the first place. And those are some of my favorite, like,
00:25:15
Jacob Oak
herbs about like around sickness or some of my favorites because a lot of them work pretty quickly. And especially if you can start taking them right off the bat, it helps so that the sickness doesn't get to like a deeper level and that your body is able to fight it off faster. And another big thing is as much as you can eat, continue to eat healthy when you're sick. Because if you're feeding your body with a bunch of junk And this is the same for how I talk about like after you've worked out and like had like a really big like lifting session or workout. Like you want to be feeling your body again. So if you're putting in in junk, you're just going to continue to feel like junk and then your body is going to have no way of getting better because what you're putting into it is just making you sicker basically. And if you, I mean, again, like don't be super hard on yourself. Like if you're craving like something,
00:26:13
Jacob Oak
I'm not ever going to say like, don't eat that. I just mean like the majority of your meals try to eat like healthy as much as you can with like suits, stews, kanji, which I just posted a recipe about, um, things like that and like tons of liquids. Got you some, can I talk about Pedialyte? Yeah. So like,
00:26:38
Jacob Oak
Jacob really wanted Pedialyte. And that's one of those things like that's not something that I personally do just because there's like food coloring and lots of sugars and stuff in it. And I personally like would do like an element and like some sea salt and lemon water, things like that versus something like Pedialyte.
00:26:59
Jacob Oak
um
00:27:02
Jacob Oak
Yeah. I mean, also, I mean, it I think one of the cool things about our relationship is that we differ in ways. that's right so but So first of all, because i don't I want to say this before it gets lost, the sweating thing, I do think that's really big. because So the way we remove toxins from the body is peeing, pooping, sweating, and breathing.
00:27:27
Jacob Oak
I guess am puking, but that's like drastic, right? But sweating is one of the way ways you remove toxins. So I am big on that. That's why we have fevers that make us sweat, right? um So I didn't want want that to get lost. But as far as like, like for me, when I get sick and kind of my thought process on how things go from the standpoint of like, we're gonna use this week as an example, right? I mean, the big build, there's a lot of stress going on, whatever. And really, in my mind, I'm like, I can't afford to get sick, right? And then I get sick, right? So it's this first thing of like, okay, you have to accept that you are sick. And one, if you run through stuff when you're sick,
00:28:14
Jacob Oak
Depending on what it is, you know, you you hear but like long COVID things like that. You might really mess yourself up and you can really, really mess yourself up. You're just digging yourself into, a you're already in a hole and you're just going to continue digging yourself in a deeper hole. Yeah. And a light sweat is not going to running 60 minutes easy because news flash 60 minutes is never easy on your body.
00:28:36
Jacob Oak
especially if you're sick, right? So it's kind of like, you know, when I got sick on Monday, it was, okay, I'm going to everything in my power to get healthy. And I knew that that meant the odds were very low. I was running on Tuesday, right? So that means I'm taking at least two full days off. And ideally you have like a 24 hour mark where you are
00:29:02
Jacob Oak
off after you like already have all of your symptoms that kind of go away and, and whatnot. Kaylee is messing with dinner. So now I'm losing my train of thought.
00:29:16
Jacob Oak
Tuesday was off. Yeah. I'm sorry. It's listening. I mean, I feel like the big thing is listening to your body. And if you are feeling sick and fatigued, like,
00:29:32
Jacob Oak
not trying to push through that. Yeah and so accepting that I was sick and then I was I completely forgot what I was gonna say. Sorry I think and then in that point like the rest is one of the most important things like you said you came home and slept and then you were up for maybe an hour if that got some liquids in and then slept another like 10 hours and
00:30:16
Jacob Oak
I think if you can keep up on like the sleep, cause sometimes like I'll get sick and a lot of times it can just be because I've like burned myself out. I've been going, I've been pushing too hard. And then finally my body is just like, Kayla, you need to like chill and just sleep. And then I'll get super fatigued for like 24 hours. And I think being able to listen to that, and I know that can be a privilege in some instances. I mean, I know that people have children and pets and other things that you're taking care of and like a job, like sometimes I feel like both of us aren't the best at calling out because we don't have sick time, but we still can cancel patients and clients if we need to. And I feel like for some people that's not always an option, but if you do have the ability, take that time off for yourself to, to get better. Because like you said, with people with long COVID,
00:31:11
Jacob Oak
I mean, we know people who have done races and stuff and pushed through that and are still like a year or two later, like suffering from the repercussions. And it's just not worth it because you just don't know when something like that is going to happen.
Recovery Strategies and Gratitude
00:31:28
Jacob Oak
And for you this week, like, and just went into events smart to have tried to run through that because we did still don't know like if you had food poisoning or the stomach flu, like yeah because no one else got sick. it why know else like got sick Yeah.
00:31:42
Jacob Oak
I think it was food poisoning. I really do. But took hours but yeah, and so I think kind of what I was trying to get at earlier was basically it came down to needing to just win what I could win. Right. And so like you go from Monday at one point was 10 mile, a 10 mile run to Monday now is.
00:32:03
Jacob Oak
can you get water in your system, essentially? I mean, right? And then it's, okay, can you get electrolytes in? And then I texted you and I was like, can you, or called you or whatever. I was like, can you bring seven up and PDLA? Because yeah, for the most part, Kaylee and I see eye to eye, I'm like the ibuprofen and PDLA and things like that. But in that specific situation, I was so down bad. So it's just kind of like,
00:32:32
Jacob Oak
when it's become a mental thing, right? Because I was so like, just defeated mentally and physically that I was like, seven up sounds so good right now. And my belly really wanted the carbonation. And so- And I thought, sorry, side note about the seven up. I was just thinking about how we're talking about like, when you get sick, how it's funny how you go back to like your childhood things. And like, you said that that's what you guys had. Throwing up. Yeah. Whenever we were throwing up or like in stomach,
00:33:02
Jacob Oak
things like that. So I wanted that really bad. yeah Yeah. Like I just, I remember her bringing us like seven up and ice, iced glasses, right? So I just really wanted that. And then I was craving cooling beverages when my body was so hot. So it's like, that's okay. Like if that's what's going to like make you more comfortable and like bring you that comfort, that's why I said like, you don't need to be perfect. Yeah. one and And on Monday too, I was like, I'm not taking care of myself. That's the other thing. So it was like,
00:33:30
Jacob Oak
I the literally, the act of getting up to make an element packet was too hard to do. And so and if I didn't have you, I don't know what I would have done, I guess. Well, I was like, yeah, because I was at work and like make bone broth, but it's like, yeah, when you're sick. No, I literally, yeah. You're like, just make bone broth. And I was like, you don't understand. Like I can't, I am literally, I have enough energy to get up, throw up and go lay back down for an hour before I do that again. Right. So, um,
00:34:00
Jacob Oak
But yeah, and then Monday night, like I wanted a Chips Ahoy cookie. Like that sounded really good. And I had, I literally hadn't eaten like anything all day. So I had that and then like oatmeal. Like that was my- It's like get cows in your body at that point. Yeah. At that point, once I got through like the initial phase of the sickness, I was like, okay, now I need to start getting enough food in. And again, I had accepted Monday night that I likely wasn't running. One of my rules kind of is like, if I can't work, I'm not running. I think that's just the- Yep.
00:34:28
Jacob Oak
Right? Work first. You can't go back to work, you know, and be in your feet. So I thought, okay, that means on Wednesday, ideally, I'm going to run. Ideally. So now in the next, you know, 30 hours or whatever, it's get as much food in as possible that you can stomach and whatever and feel better so that you can do that run. So Tuesday then became, all right, again, I'm not going to work, but I'm going to take the whole day off and I'm going to recover as hard as I can. Cause now I wasn't like, like my stomach was a lot better. I wasn't, you know, like I think the fever went away. like
00:35:00
Jacob Oak
9 a.m. or 8 a.m. Tuesday or whatever. ah And the old me would have been, okay, I'm good enough, I'm gonna go push through Tuesday now in the afternoon and go work for clients and fit people back in. But now I'm like, no, you feel good, take the rest of the day to recover again. So it's like that extra time.
00:35:17
Jacob Oak
Well, I felt good enough, right? So you still weren't feeling great. Yeah, but but yeah yeah you know, yeah well, and that's exactly, there's another point of like what we like try to push through, right? That was very hard for me on Tuesday. They did not go to work on Tuesday nights because I had that class and stuff, but it was definitely the right move to do, right? so And then I think the next kind of thing in my mind became, again, a win each day. Wednesday, it was like you have five clients or whatever now, and you have a four mile run. What are you going to do to make sure that you win that day? right And it's win that specific day. Don't think about past times when you'd have
00:35:58
Jacob Oak
however many miles in a lifting session, some intensity and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? Do what you can, win the four miles. Cause that's plenty for that day. So, and I think that, you know, with kind of what you were talking about earlier too, about how like we're going to get sick. And even though we try to be healthy and do whatever you will never be get inevitably get sick still. And I think that it's important to remember that
00:36:30
Jacob Oak
in the moments you get sick. One, it makes you appreciate like what your body does do for you. right so don't like I spent Thursday last week just like and Friday kind of just pissed off at my body. And i was like ja and then Friday I had this epiphany where I was like, Jake, your body's working so hard for you right now. like You should be thanking it. like Four miles, three days in a row is not a normal feat. It's not. It just isn't. right So remember that.
00:37:02
Jacob Oak
and um And I guess i like there was a lift in there too and whatnot, right? But it's like show gratitude because mentally the way you talk to yourself, that's gonna promote faster healing too, right? um But then in addition to that, remembering if you do those steps we take then we just talked about and you actually accept that like you need to chill, you need to rest and you rest hard and make that the priority and win at recovery, you will bounce back faster.
00:37:27
Jacob Oak
And all of the months, weeks, whatever, in which we've been eating relatively healthy and we take vitamins, or I take vitamins and I do you know all this other you know vitamin C, whatever, blah, blah, blah. That is so when I do get sick, I bounce back faster from the sickness and the sickness isn't as bad.
00:37:50
Jacob Oak
I'm a firm believer that, yeah, I was like in rough shape on Monday, but I really think if I did an exercise and ate frozen pizza all the time and pizza rolls and never ate vegetables and blah, blah, blah, blah, that would have been a lot worse, a lot worse, right? And it probably would have lasted way longer. It's like amazing if you think about it, and I don't say this to flex because I have athletes that do this, you do this, our circle does this.
00:38:17
Jacob Oak
The, if you like kind of take a step outside of like the community that would like listen to this podcast and whatnot, most people, if they get sick like that, it's a week to fully recover back from that. Right. And it could partly be because of the steps they're taking while they're sick to whatever. And there's probably privilege there too. I get that. But it's cool to see like I got sick on Monday. I didn't do anything Monday. They do anything Tuesday. And I was back working and running Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then ran 20 miles on Saturday.
00:38:47
Jacob Oak
and was able to do that. Like that's not normal, right? And that right there is the reason that we live the way we do and that we, you know, practice the way we practice and everything. It's all preventative care. Right. So yeah. And like, um, it's kind of a, you know, tangent, I guess, but it's like the story of the person who runs every day of their entire life and has a heart attack at 50 still. Right.
00:39:15
Jacob Oak
I'm still a firm believer that if that person lived any differently, they probably would have, you know, i had the heart attack earlier, right? So I really think that having that mindset and thinking like, yeah, again, like the we get to do this episode, like life doesn't last forever, but we can do things to mitigate illness, injury, chronic sicknesses, et cetera. Yeah. And I think, like I said, the things that we do in order to prevent sickness, end up being like I said, the same things. Once we do get sick minus we're not working out, but I think just really the rest part is huge. Resting before you get sick, resting while you get sick. Sleep is powerful. Sleep is like another one performance enhancement drug. People don't understand and food. Yeah. Sleep.
00:40:12
Jacob Oak
Hydration, getting fluids in so you can get toxins through your body. Electrolytes for all the fluid. Loss you did have. yeah Nutrition. Those are, And then, yeah, I mean the supplements too. I'm big on supplements and I forgot to mention the ibuprofen thing because I did take ibuprofen one day. My head hurts so ungodly bad. At some point it's like a you know risk reward thing. and Yeah, and I'm not saying I never I mean, I'll take, I haven't had to do this in a while, but like the occasional, I can't even think of what it is now, but like a med for a headache if it's really bad. So I'm not anti-medication. It's just, I know that herbs, food, rest, all these other things are very powerful. And if those are not working, go see your doctor, take your medications, things like that. But I will always choose to start with
00:41:13
Jacob Oak
the more holistic route because I know that's helping my entire body to recover versus subduing the fever, subduing the inflammation. Yeah. And if you have an illness below the neck, don't know it, or exercise.
00:41:35
Jacob Oak
And cover your neck, please, because the back of your neck is your windgate. And especially now this winter with wind, I messed up on my bike ride today. I did not wear anything on my neck. And the whole time I was like, poor choice, Kaylee. Unbelievable. So one one last question for like you.
00:41:56
Jacob Oak
in the situation that you're in this week. I get sick, you live with me, right? Someone has COVID, you get exposed to them, right? You all have this situation where you are very, very likely going to get sick. Now you didn't.
00:42:11
Jacob Oak
kind knock on wood. I did talk to someone actually and they said that they got a sonic thing and they were like kind of like me in the situation where their husband ended up getting sick but it was like a freakish delay like of two weeks or something and then they got the same thing so hope that doesn't happen. Anyways though week clean when you know We talked to about kind of what we do on a regular basis, but in that situation, do you go into like hyper-aware? I know I do. So like, just kind of curious, like, do you go into hyper-aware mode where you're like, you know, myself, I'm like making sure I get vitamin C every day, yeah if not like an emergency vitamin C packet. And I am watching the heck out of my dad. I'm getting as much sleep as possible. I might, you know, try to avoid you a little bit, you know, things like that. Like, is that like, how how did you react to that? And then,
00:43:00
Jacob Oak
I took my immune support herbs right away. And again, it's like about building up my immune system. So I took those immediately and have been taking them. Yes, I've been eating really well. Like I've not, but I feel like these are things I already do on a normal basis, but yes, being more cautious about like what I'm eating.
00:43:25
Jacob Oak
Um, and I was trying to sleep when you were sleeping too, just cause I knew that that would be extra important for me to be more well rested. And I think for us, it's nice, I guess being that I'm an acupuncturist, but anybody can do this, but to have stuff on hand.
00:43:42
Jacob Oak
just for when, if and when you do get sick. And I was drinking tea with like honey, because honey is like a very good antibacterial. And also like if you have like sore throats, phlegm, things like that, honey's very good for that. But yeah, I'm just like watching myself and like any symptoms that I'm noticing. But also I try not to get super hyper alert because if I'm thinking I'm gonna get sick,
00:44:10
Jacob Oak
My risk, my chances of getting sick are going to be that much higher just because my nervous system is like so anxious about getting sick. So I feel like I do kind of continue to live my life because I feel like I'm exposed to sick people all the time.
Episode Wrap-up and Reflections
00:44:26
Jacob Oak
I mean, I see people in small rooms for extended periods every day. So again, I think that's why it's important to be doing all these things right off the bat.
00:44:36
Jacob Oak
And I mean, I guess like like acupuncture, I asked for like immune support during that too when I got treated this week to help with building up my immune system. So acupuncture is extremely good for strengthening your immune system. So and there's a few of the other things I did, but just don't get like super anxious about these things either because you will get sick at some point, but you can talk yourself into getting sick too. And that's also not healthy.
00:45:07
Jacob Oak
I'm still at 17. We get to do this. We get to do this. I got sick. What's your, um, we get to do this moment. Oh yeah. We get to do this moment for me this week. well It was running 20 miles after being super sick. And I saw multiple people out on the trail that would be like, Jacob, you look so strong or give me encouragement. That was cool. There were three separate people that I saw.
00:45:32
Jacob Oak
Two were clients and then one was a friend. And that was cool. That was cool. And then I ran with a buddy of mine, Travis, who we were running at like, I don't know, mile 17 or so. He could tell I was like starting to hurt pretty bad at the round we were doing and at the round we were doing. And he was like,
00:45:52
Jacob Oak
All right, Jacob, up remember we get to do this maybe with my own medicine. So give me a little jolt, a hundred G, but it was just, uh, you just appreciate what you have. Um, and you don't have it, you know, more. So you, um,
00:46:12
Jacob Oak
I was feeling extra grateful this week, I feel like, but I feel like on, I think it was Thursday. We just invested in underground parking spots at our apartment. You're really big on this. Well, I was just thinking it might be good to do this moment. And there's just some moments where you like look around and you're like, wow, like we have it really good. Because I like went down that morning to my underground heated parking spot. This is so nice. And then I went to your strength class.
00:46:48
Jacob Oak
at a beautiful fitness studio in North Loop and basically had you as a personal trainer with one other person for the session. It was great. I couldn't walk the next day, but it was great. Um, and then came home, got to work for a bit and there were a few other things that happened that day too. But then we went to a friend's house, friend's house, um, for dinner that night and It was just like a really good day. I'm like, well, we have it really good. Oh, and then I came back to our apartment that's, you know, on the fifth floor, big windows, tall ceilings. Like I really like where we live. And I was like, I got to wake up next to my hot boyfriend and get to spend the day with, we didn't spend the day together, but you know, wake up together and the day together. And I just feel very, very grateful.
00:47:46
Jacob Oak
most days, but I was feeling extra grateful this week, especially because I was feeling good. So I was grateful for my health as well. You've earned it. We get to do this. We get to do this. Thanks for listening, everyone. Glad to be back. See you next week.