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09 | Our First Guest! Todd Stebleton CCN, CPT
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We are very excited to welcome our first guest to the show! Todd has been a huge mentor and friend to both Kailee and Jacob for quite some time now and it was an honor to welcome him on and ask him some questions.
Often referred to as "the trainer's trainer," Todd has over 20 years of experience in the health field as a Certified Clinical Nutritionist, personal trainer, and specialist in human movement. He has worked with a variety of clients from professional athletes to weekend warriors, and weight loss to disease management. Todd has and continues to grow a broad skill set to improve function and performance. He is an author, presenter, educator. He is motivated to continue his learning and he is dedicated to at least 100 hours of additional courses and workshops every year since 2000. He considers himself a student, then a teacher.
On this episode we dive into quite a bit regarding the human body, movement, building a team, past life therapy, emotions, trauma, stress, and his entrepreneurial journey.
We hope you enjoy!
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Introduction & Guest Welcome
00:02:17
wegettodothis
What is up? Episode 9. We get to do this. I'm personally very excited about this one. We have a special guest today. Oh, my favorite number is 9, so this is great. I didn't even notice episode 9. We knew that. I didn't want to be here before you just said that. Now I'm excited. Heck yeah. 9 is the best number around. Mr. Todd Stebbleton.
00:02:39
wegettodothis
I've talked about you to a lot of people that probably listened to the show, but I feel as though a lot of people may not know you yet. So I think it's really cool that we'll be able to have you on and put a face to who you are and the mentor you've been to me and Kaylee for the past, me for the past like, I've known you for like four years now, right?
00:02:59
wegettodothis
Which is insane goes fast and Kaylee already for a year. And I feel as though both of us with our businesses wouldn't be and anywhere close for there right now without you. So thank you. You're welcome. I'm not sure how I helped, but it sounds positive. yeah You've definitely helped a lot.
Todd's Mission & Career Shift
00:03:18
wegettodothis
And I would love to just kind of roll and get this podcast started with asking you what it is you do, how you do it and why you do.
00:03:29
wegettodothis
you By the hardest questions for me to answer, honestly. I get asked that often. Some of my clients get asked that often. What does what does Todd really do? I'm not sure. If I were to distill it down, I'd try to help people. And I know that that's boring and vague and too broad, but when i so when I started in the industry, I wanted to go to medical school. So I worked in a hospital setting.
00:04:01
wegettodothis
And I realized I wasn't really helpful in that setting. There were opportunities to be helpful, but working in the heart center, people would come in for their second and third heart attack in two years. And the most I would hear from the cardiologist is, you know, John, you should try to watch watch watch what you eat and get some exercise. Well, John's 350. He needs more than that. And I saw that enough times that I realized John needs more. I can do more, but I can't hear. So that's one, I went on my own adventure and wanted to open up my own space where I had the flexibility to help people to the best of my ability.
Client Needs & Adaptation
00:04:49
wegettodothis
And it's not as sexy as being in medicine, but the reward that has come with it has helped me know that I made a good decision.
00:05:01
wegettodothis
So what do I do? I try to help people. And it started out real simple. I remember my first wife, stereotypical, wanted to lose 30 pounds. The kids are out of the house now. It's time for me to pay attention to myself. And we had some success. And with that came a referral. And the referral was, hey, my friends help said that you helped her lose 30 pounds. I'd like to do that, too. But I also had a knee replacement done.
00:05:30
wegettodothis
a little bit more complex. And then a few months later it was, can you help me lose weight? I also have type two diabetes, more complex, fast forward eight years. I have stage two cancer. Can you help me? So the complexity of the clients grew as I was able to provide a better service. As I became more valuable, the clients became more complex.
00:06:01
wegettodothis
That was a good thing because it encouraged me, genuinely inspired me to continue learning, continue my education. My degrees in college helped me learn how to learn. It didn't give me what I needed to help people to the degree that I have, but it gave me a platform to start learning and I'm real thankful for that. But I've been,
00:06:31
wegettodothis
open and curious to continue learning. And it's allowed me to help more people. And at the end of the day, that's all I care about, is helping people. Right. How would you then describe how you're helping people specifically? Like what does a typical day look like for you? Obviously it's all over the place, but. You know, I've been doing this for a little little over 20 years now. So I have clients that I've been working with.
00:07:00
wegettodothis
where I have realized the way in which I help them is simply by having an appointment with them. I remember about eight years ago, one of my clients said to me, Todd, of all the things that you do, I need you to know that the most valuable thing that you offer me is just scheduling an appointment with you. And I didn't like that. It didn't feel good. I feel I'm worth way more than an appointment.
00:07:28
wegettodothis
But as time has gone on, I realized these appointments add up. They're staying on track. They're staying focused. The things that are important to them are in front of their face by having these appointments. And I began to value that more than I did previously. I used to feel good when I could hit a home run fixing an injury or diagnosing for lack of a better word, something more substantial. It made me feel of value when I could do something like that rather than just having an appointment. Like somebody can have it up, you know, a local fitness company, taking classes, you know, things like that. i'm I'm more than that. I want to be more than that. Right. So that really helped me change the perspective that
00:08:20
wegettodothis
Not all of my clients are wounded. Not all of them need a big life change. Sometimes they just need an appointment. So I learned to value that better. I think as time has gone on and and really more recently. Yeah. I like that. I think that's a good way to look at it too. Yeah. I think that's good for both of us to remember as we're growing businesses. And I think, uh, you know,
00:08:48
wegettodothis
probably you more with acupuncture specifically but a lot of times people will come see us for a problem and even we'll fall into the trap sometimes of all right we fix the problem and then like send them on their way but there's always more to do and there's more appointments to be had right and you know for like you can speak to your your case on that but I think a lot of it what if personal training and run coaching specifically with me is we build these relationships that their goals when they first meet, we are way different than two, three years later, right? I think that's one of the cool things about this round too and the relationships you build and appointments per se, right? Yeah. So I agree. I like that. Our goals change. We all we all do. Yeah. We get inspired in different ways at different times.
Motivation & Client Goals
00:09:40
wegettodothis
Um,
00:09:41
wegettodothis
It keeps it fresh. It keeps it curious. Um, so yeah, not only do our clients goals change, but so do ours, how we approach our clients or our goals, our own personal life, their personal ambitions of health, wellness, fitness, all of those things. It's always changing. Right. And how can you be a resource for somebody when their interests, their inspirations are always changing and also their aspirations.
00:10:09
wegettodothis
You know, people change for one of two reasons, either inspiration or desperation. And that's a unique thing about our industry is we work with individuals who are going to experience both of those things. You know, especially for you, I'm guessing a lot of your patients or clients come to see you that are more protocol driven. They're more desperate. Uh, some of it's about lifestyle, but some of that is I got a problem and I need help, you know,
00:10:39
wegettodothis
We experienced both of that, right? Some of it's lifestyle and some of it is I have a problem and I need help. So if they're training for a marathon, they're inspired. If they got a need problem that's preventing them from training for a marathon, they're desperate. Needs are different. And how do we adapt to that as coaches, as lifestyle educators?
00:11:02
wegettodothis
that sometimes crosses lines of therapists, you know, and to be able to mix all of that in. So I'll go back to the question you asked me a few minutes ago, what does a day of mine look like? Sometimes i'm I'm working with people that are inspired and sometimes I'm working with people that are desperate and I have to switch gears too. You know, lifestyle is always the center of, of everything that I do with my clients, but sometimes it's protocol driven. Sometimes it's not a bad lifestyle.
00:11:31
wegettodothis
Sometimes right now this hurts. We got to figure out why and how do we fix it so we can get back into our lifestyle stuff, right? you know, right I think that that makes that's the difference though to you with a Good provider versus the opposite right and I'll go into session sometimes with like my excel doc You know i have a plan ready to go and then they'll walk in and say oh my knee hurts or I just had an animal diet in my house or something and it completely 180s the whole session, right? So it's like we have to be able to adapt and move and answer different questions like on the fly constantly. It's but it's it's always a balance of providing what the person wants with what the person needs. It's not often that those two things are in alignment.
Education & Trust Building
00:12:20
wegettodothis
Somebody comes in and they want to do this, but they really need to do this in order to get the thing that they want. And I was always concerned about that earlier in my career. I see what this person needs. I can predict with a high certainty of what their future is going to look like if we don't address this issue, but it's not why they hired right It's not why they're here. So how do I bundle those things together? And I think that's what teaching education, compassion, looking out for them, not just, not just helping them achieve their goal, but looking out for them as a whole while they are in pursuit of trying to achieve that goal. And there's a little bit of an art form to that. How do you communicate that to someone? If they, if they're saying, I want your help with this with X and you,
00:13:20
wegettodothis
look at them we go this is not the first thing we need to address
00:13:26
wegettodothis
Teaching and educating, but the teaching and educating comes from evaluating, right? Doing assessments and things like that. So we'll use the example of of a runner. If somebody comes in and and they're they are a runner or they want to be a runner, and I take them through some basic evaluations, and they don't have adequate ankle mobility.
00:13:49
wegettodothis
they're going to run still. They're just going to do it with enough compensation to get by today to cause bigger problems for the future or a knee issue or a low back issue or whatever the case might be, right? So I want to evaluate to make sure that they can meet basic criteria that is not going to eventually be the reason why they can't be successful. So if I can teach them and educate them, here's what I've seen. Here's what we can predict with a high degree of certainty.
00:14:28
wegettodothis
what's going to happen if we don't address this. So I want to build this into your programming, into your day to day or your week to week. Because if we don't, the chances of you being successful are less. Yeah, we can still work on the other things that we talked about. But if we neglect this, I am being negligent in the programming of this plan for you. And I don't want to be negligent.
00:14:58
wegettodothis
I want people to be successful. Simple as that. I also feel like with all of our jobs, there's like a huge level of trust that we're like building. Cause if they're not like by doing the education and things like that, like that's how they start to trust you. Yeah. Because if they don't believe in you, they're not going to believe in the process. Yes. And I think that's where like the talking about the appointments where that comes in because they're coming to you.
00:15:28
wegettodothis
knowing that you're going to provide them some kind of value to their lives. Yeah. Yeah. And that's huge. Trust is the foundation of all relationships, you know, whether it be a romantic relationship, a family relationship or a business relationship. And that comes with time. That comes with time. You know, you, you, you all know this just as well as i do when when people trust you, you can do amazing things for them, for them, with them. If there's concerns about trust, it does not matter what you know, how good your program is or how hard you're trying. It just doesn't matter. Right. So when, when I see something with somebody and I'm like, I'm concerned about this for you for these reasons. Um,
00:16:24
wegettodothis
If I say it like that, I'm building trust with them because they know I'm looking out for them. If I identify something, I say, no, we just need to work on this. They don't understand that because I haven't provided the compassion or the education as to why trust goes down. My techniques are the same, but I'm not going to break through with them. We're not going to break through together. So just don't have that trust.
00:16:54
wegettodothis
So yeah, it goes back to teaching and education. And for whatever reason, when I was growing up, I feel like I was a good student. I valued learning. And because of that, I value teaching. And it's not about arrogance. I don't care that somebody walks away with, oh, Todd's really smart. That doesn't make me feel valued.
00:17:24
wegettodothis
But if Todd taught me something, that makes me feel valued. I like that a lot. There's a lot of speakers I've seen over the years will get behind the podium and razzle dazzle people with how smart they are. And it is impressive. I don't mean to discredit that. But I do want to talk to the audience afterwards and tell me what you learned.
00:17:49
wegettodothis
that That can inspire me. That impresses me. What did your people walk away with? I mentioned this to some clients just a week or two ago. One of the things that makes me feel like I'm doing a good job is that my clients are smart. Not smart out of textbook, but theoretically,
00:18:14
wegettodothis
Philosophically, they understand and get what we're doing. They see the big picture. I see them start teaching and communicating to other people the things that they've learned. And that makes me feel valued. And I want to feel valued. I do. it's It's important to me. I feel like I'm selfless in a lot of ways, but I am selfish in that way. I need to know that what I'm doing is making a positive difference.
00:18:41
wegettodothis
And those are ways in which it's affirming to me that at least in some areas I'm doing a good job, you know? Right. Well, then it's cool too, because then they're spreading it to other people and it's not just, you know, your one-on-one appointments. Like if they're going and talking to their friends and saying, Hey, this is something that I learned or this something that's working for me. And it's just like your impact grows.
00:19:06
wegettodothis
You never know what you say, how far will go and how wide it'll reach. And that's good and bad. That can be good messages and bad messages. And our profession is to govern the good messages, to spread the good things, right?
Esoteric Insights & Past Life
00:19:24
wegettodothis
Right. So why do you do what you do? We kind of forgot about that question.
00:19:33
wegettodothis
This is going to be a little esoteric and I'm probably going to lose some listeners for you here. I apologize for that, but others are probably going to buy in. I didn't know the answer to that question until two years ago. Why do I do what I do? A few years ago, I would have said I love to teach. I love to help people. I love the human body. It fascinates me. I love performance.
00:19:58
wegettodothis
I feel like those are all generalizations that anybody in the health, wellness, and medical industry would share and say. But two years ago, I was inspired to go see somebody to do what's called a past lives regression therapy session. ah About 10 years ago, a client encouraged me to read a book called Many Lives, Many Masters. And it's about a PhD researcher and her husband, who is a world renowned psychiatrist who was given a really tough case. This woman had seen a bunch of different psychologists. Psychiatrists had these fears and no one could break through. He decided to put her in hypnosis, which was not his specialty. He wasn't even necessarily a big fan or believer of hypnosis, but he didn't know what else to do.
00:20:57
wegettodothis
And he started identifying that she was talking about what appeared to be a past life. He had spent dozens of sessions with her and was able to figure out with meticulous note-taking and a real genuine investment in her. She was referring to, I think it was four distinct past lives. Some she was female, some she was male. They were at different times in history.
00:21:27
wegettodothis
And she had this detail to them that made him go, gosh, is there something to this? Long story is short, he identified these areas in her past lives that was the reason that she was suffering in this life. And it rocked his world. It made him, it challenged everything that he believed.
00:21:55
wegettodothis
and all the ways in which he was trained. His wife being a PhD researcher also was challenged. She started to do some research outside of Western medicine research, Eastern medicine. And she was like, wow, I've always said there's no research on this. It turns out there's no research in Western medicine on this. And there is a unending amount of research in Eastern medicine.
00:22:26
wegettodothis
His life was changed, his wife's life was changed because of this patient, so much so he wrote this book. Fast forward several years, about eight, so now two years ago I went and saw a past life regression therapist. And it was an amazing experience. And I came out of that, he identified, we identified three previous lives of mine. And I won't walk you through all of them,
00:22:56
wegettodothis
because it's relatively a long story, although I remember them in great detail. And the third one was the most unique, the most remarkable. I had my third and past life in this therapy session, I was a tree. It turns out I was a giving ma tree. And we had talked in great detail about I feel like every day, everyone is coming to me to feed, to get nourished. And each and every year I grew bigger and bigger, and each and every year more and more people were coming. And that's all great. The problem is that sometimes I don't have anything to give. And that is a big part of my life.
00:23:50
wegettodothis
I've learned sometimes I feel spent and it made me think about and realize I can give in this tree is fruitful as long as I am always being nourished, as long as the soil is always full of nourishment I can give. So then it made me start to question, where do I get nourishment? Who, what, when,
00:24:20
wegettodothis
Why? How? All of these things. What's stealing from my nourishment? And it just helped really reframe me. And I think that that's the best thing that I could describe. During this same time, I was going through something and a friend of mine said, you need to go do this for yourself. I've witnessed you give everything that you have to everybody all the time. Go do this for yourself.
00:24:49
wegettodothis
And this happened right after this regression therapy session. I said, you're right. You're right. So why do I do what I do? Cause that's what I do. I'm a giver. I'm here to help. I think we all are as human beings. When I say that it does not come from a place of arrogance, like I'm more capable of helping people than others. That's not what I mean by that.
00:25:18
wegettodothis
I am a conduit of energy. I bring in energy. I harvest it and I give off energy and I have the right and I have the power as a human being to decide what type of energy do I want to give off? How do I want to nourish other people or not? You know, I'm going to give off energy. We all do. It can be positive. It can be destructive.
00:25:47
wegettodothis
Who do I want to be? You know, why do I do what I do? I want to be a force for good. I want to be good. That's it. And I'm not always good. I make mistakes. I've made mistakes, but that doesn't stop me from wanting to do good and wanting to be good. That's it. That's why I do what I do. That's awesome. I'm a tree. Yeah, you're a tree. You know, my last name's Oak.
00:26:17
wegettodothis
I know it is. So that's pretty cool. Yeah. That makes me want to do that. Actually, I feel like that'd be really wild. I've been doing, I have to change the subject. I've been doing brain spotting and therapy lately and.
00:26:32
wegettodothis
It's a lot of like in your head meditation type of work, basically where you like focus in on specific body parts that you're feeling based off of thoughts, right? So you think about the thought and then you focus on the body part that you feel based off your thought essentially. And every time I do a session and like doing these weird, like meditative trips where it's thinking about kind of some parts of my past, but also like future and things that never even happened. and Um, it's just wild, like the mind and the body and the connection and everything there.
Mind-Body Connection
00:27:09
wegettodothis
I'll call that awareness. Yeah. You know, uh, over the years witnessing, you know, different yoga instructors and, you know, professionals like that, they talk a lot about mind body. I don't know if, if most of us know what mind body means. We use that word a lot. We hear that word even more. Um,
00:27:30
wegettodothis
But my body, there's there's a physical component to it, and there's an energetic component to it. You know, when you think about, what am I feeling in my head? What am I feeling in my body? How are these things related? That is my body. And we can distill that word down to its awareness. It's total awareness, at least physically. It's total awareness. And, you know, you may have heard me mention this before and I talk about fascia. I've had some training in fascia from a guy named Dr. Guy Boyer, he's French. And, you know, when I was in school and even post-school learning about fascia, we learned of it as connective tissue. That is the most basic elementary understanding of what fascia is. Fascia is our brain tissue. When we're born, we have three cells that we're all born
00:28:22
wegettodothis
and those cells turn into tissues. And out of our brain comes fascia. When we look at fascia in the body, unlike muscles or bones, there's no beginning and ending to it. There's no origin and insertion of fascia. It is a network that has no beginning and end. And it literally is the extension of our brain. We use the words muscle memory a lot. There's no such thing as muscle memory. I get tired hearing it.
00:28:52
wegettodothis
Our muscles don't remember anything, but our fascia does. And our fascia is the communication between our brain and all other tissues. And it's literal. It is literal. And the cool thing about fascia, because it has no beginning and end, it doesn't attach to anything or detach from anything. So when we look at the spine, like the vertebral column, you take take a vertebra and fascia comes to the vertebra. It doesn't meet the vertebra.
00:29:21
wegettodothis
It goes through the vertebra. It goes in through and around everything. We used to talk about, it's like saran wrap around the muscle, right? So get on the foam roller. You have an adhesion, a myofascial adhesion, roll out that adhesion, the saran wrap around the muscle. It's not just around the muscle. It's through the muscle. It's everywhere. There's no place that doesn't have it. It's the transport for our communication.
00:29:51
wegettodothis
And it's the transport for our hydration, which is just a form of communication. Water is just just simply the carrier or the vessel that provides all the communication to all of ourselves, whether it be communication with nutrients or thoughts or whatever the case might be.
00:30:08
wegettodothis
so On that subject, this was like a year ago now, but I texted you when this happened. I was in a massage and I was getting worked on my psoas and I texted you and I was geeking out about the fact that there was one specific moment in which she hit a specific spot.
00:30:26
wegettodothis
Like triggered this weird like flashback in which I like kind of relived like 20 negative moments, like sad moments in my, in my life. And it was, it was, I described it as, it was like, I was watching a slideshow and the dude there were 20 slides. It was just like, boom, boom, boom, like rattling. Like it was like a, I felt like a glitch and I, it sounds very like wild. Um, and I remember texting you about that and you saying,
00:30:53
wegettodothis
something about how the psoas can sometimes store trauma. Is it more than in that like type of situation, does the muscle, is it the fascia in that situation? That's what I'm trying to ask. Less of the muscle and more of the fascia that's in that area of your body. We store all emotions in all of our tissues. some of that Some of those tissues are more apt to store emotions, particularly the more centered to our body. If we like look at the different chakras,
00:31:23
wegettodothis
energy networks of our body, the most central ones, so you can think so as reproductive area, right? These areas tend to take the majority of the stress or of the emotion. ah Trauma is generally stored there. Spine surgeons world's most renowned spine surgeons after decades in surgery have written books that talk about at the end of all of this, at the end of my career, I realized that almost all of this has to do with emotional trauma that's being stored in these tissues. So our mental emotional energy is being held in and therefore affecting oftentimes negatively
00:32:16
wegettodothis
the tissues in some areas. So we go in and operate on the tissues. We're trying to fix the physical problem, which certainly has become a physical problem.
Holistic Health Approach
00:32:28
wegettodothis
But oftentimes, more often than not, the root of it came from more of an energetic problem, mental, emotional, spiritual, those kinds of things. So all of our tissues our storage places for emotions. There's no question about it. We just tend to take what's most central to our body. Those are the areas where we can hold the most stress. And the reason I think is simple. Healthy people have healthy babies as we are
00:33:05
wegettodothis
prone to absorbing more and more stress, we tend to lose health. As we lose health, we lose our ability to reproduce. If we go that far with it, you know, the least healthy people are unable to reproduce, which brings up an incredible subject matter. Today, only one in 5.5 couples are able to reproduce.
00:33:34
wegettodothis
The rate of reproduction is like nothing that we have ever seen before. And it has to do with our health. Our health is being so compromised that eventually our body's like, I'm not able to reproduce even if I wanted to. And we could talk about for eight different episodes on this podcast of why that is. Is it the toxins and the xenoestrogens and that?
00:34:00
wegettodothis
coming from plastics, and this is its stress that's manipulating our hormones. and What is it? The LED blue lights on these screens. I know we can talk about those things forever, but the point of the matter is is that when we're under stress, our tissues absorb it. And when our tissues absorb it, we feel it. We feel it. The only tissue in the body where we can't feel stress is your brain tissue. It's the only tissue that does not have pain receptors.
00:34:29
wegettodothis
But there's some pretty well accepted theories that when we feel pain in our back, we can identify it. We feel it. When we feel pain in our brain, which we don't feel, we route that to something called depression. When our brain cells are stressed and inflamed and hurting and traumatized, we call that depression.
00:34:59
wegettodothis
That is low back pain for the brain, which is fascinating. So if we're treat low back pain with lifestyle, decreasing inflammation, nourishing the body, stretching, think of plasticity, but in the brain it's called neuroplasticity. Could we treat depression more effectively that way? If depression to some degree is the same as chronic low back pain,
00:35:29
wegettodothis
Would we treat chronic low back pain with an antidepressant and expect a positive outcome?
00:35:38
wegettodothis
If we treated depression the same way we treat low back pain, irritable bowel syndrome, whatever, you name the system, it's just stress. If we treated it it the same way, we have better outcomes. It's an interesting conversation. That is a very interesting conversation.
00:35:55
wegettodothis
when Just something I was thinking about with everything you're saying, we've been related to like fascia. And cause one of the reasons why I left the hospital, Western medical systems was because we just, you know, talking about, you know, surgeons, you just cut things out. And then talking about the fascia, I think we're finally realizing you can't just like cut through the body to get to the organ that you want and then repair that.
00:36:24
wegettodothis
Like you're breaking up that network of fascia, which is then sending that signal to your brain. And then we're not doing anything to repair it. And then people are still left with these chronic lifelong issues and pain. And we're not actually fixing it because we're not talking about the emotional side of things. We're not talking about the lifestyle things. And I think there's just, there's so much more to it than just saying, we need to go.
00:36:50
wegettodothis
cut this or we need to just give you an antidepressant to mask this. This this this is the hard part and this this is the part of our profession that will never change. It's so complex.
00:37:02
wegettodothis
We understand some of it. We're able to do little of what we understand. So if we understand 1%, we're able to deal with 1% of that 1%. We're always left knowing, wishing, hoping that we can do more.
00:37:21
wegettodothis
And out of respect to surgeons in medicine, sometimes we need to cut through this to get to that. There will be some negative consequences. And the idea is that the positive consequences significantly outweigh the negative. I have a client who recently I sat down with. We had a heart to heart. We shed some tears together in my studio. And I said, listen, I think you need surgery. I don't say that to a lot of people.
00:37:50
wegettodothis
I want to do everything I can to prevent surgery, not for the sake of preventing surgery, but getting them so healthy that they're no longer even a candidate for it. I couldn't do that for this guy. And he was doing everything I recommended. I was referring him out to other professionals. He came in every day with a good attitude. And for about a year, I saw him every week come in to see me looking less life full.
00:38:22
wegettodothis
Posture was getting worse, the way in which he was walking, how he was carrying himself. I saw life slowly dripping out of him. And it hurt my heart for him. He is a good person with a positive attitude. And I'm like, you don't deserve this.
00:38:44
wegettodothis
You do not deserve this. I recommended he go see someone use my contacts, found highly respectable surgeon and happy to say he's three and a half weeks into his recovery. He is not recovered. He's only three and a half weeks in a long journey, but he is already a different human being. And I'm so thankful for that.
00:39:09
wegettodothis
Is he going to have trauma and negative consequences from that surgery? Absolutely. It was a big deal, but the positive will significantly outweigh the negative, but you're right. There's more we got to do. I think we got to look at, you know, for all of us, it's coming up with an individual treatment plan for everyone because instead of saying, you know, everyone should go get this. It's like, you know, you were able to work with him and then determine, okay, he still,
00:39:39
wegettodothis
he needs something more than I can give him. And I think that's just like a very good skill to have, like as a clinician to be able to determine that and then be able to refer to the proper people. Yeah. And that just takes time. It takes a combination of three things. Time, experience, having success and having failures.
00:40:07
wegettodothis
And I think you need all three. And the more of those three you have, the more positively influential you can be. It's the way it is. And then always putting the person's needs first. Like we talked about at the beginning, like what does this person need at this time? When people are inspired, they may be influenced by their needs. They're mostly influenced by their wants.
00:40:36
wegettodothis
When people are desperate, they are inspired by their needs because their needs are holding them back, whether it be from getting in and out of a car or excelling at their next marathon. When people are struggling, it gets their attention. Like I said before, people change from one to two things, either inspiration or desperation. Usually that's desperation. People do their most incredible things in their life.
Stress & Emotional Resilience
00:41:07
wegettodothis
when they're super inspired or super desperate. When you hover in the middle, life is comfortable, but progress is minimal, at best. And then it's it's a spectrum, right? You can be a little bit inspired, that's good. You can be a little bit desperate, that's good.
00:41:32
wegettodothis
likely you're going to start making some changes. But when you get out to these ends of the spectrum, you look at anybody who's ever accomplished anything of amazing. The level of inspiration or the level of desperation is all it was. Nobody climbs the tallest mountain in the world because they were kind of inspired.
00:42:00
wegettodothis
Nobody overcame being a single parent with six kids and no job history because they were a little bit desperate. People accomplish their greatest things when their emotions are stretched at those ends of the spectrum. Ironically, in our lives, we work so hard to be in neither end of that spectrum because we want to be comfortable.
00:42:28
wegettodothis
So it's this irony that we all play with on a day-to-day basis of I want to be comfortable, I want things to go, I want peace. That's kind of the big, cool, Instagram-y thing today. Just only hang out with people who bring you peace. If people don't bring you peace, get them out of your life. Well, if you're only dealing with peace, your life's gonna start going downhill real quick. Just because something is challenging to you or someone is challenging you, that doesn't mean there's not peace to it. There's an opportunity there to be inspired to do something. It's not a bad thing. It's uncomfortable. Sure. It's not peaceful, but do we really want peace? Now we talk about war, right? Murder. and Of course we want peace, but our emotional mental comfort zone,
00:43:24
wegettodothis
I don't think peace is what we should be going for. I think it's progress. I think it's making a difference. I think it's doing something with this life that we have the gift of living. And if you want to do something worthwhile, it's not going to be peaceful. It's not just the way it is. How do you explain that then with like talking about stress and how stress you know can cause inflammation. It's causing all these reproductive issues.
00:43:55
wegettodothis
Stress is a choice.
00:44:01
wegettodothis
That's how that conversation starts and ends. Stress is a choice. You can't feel stress unless you do stress. Tony Robbins talks about that. Motion equals emotion. If we were to walk or watch somebody walk out here on the street and they're really depressed,
00:44:27
wegettodothis
You know that. You see it. You see their breathing. You see their posture, the rate at which they're moving, how they're moving. The chest is down. The head is forward. You see it. You have to do stress to feel stress. I'll give you an example of one of Tony Robbins seminars I went to. I've been to a handful of them. Unbelievable. But he made us stand up. There's a room of 7,000 people You made us stand up. Now this was about a 45 minute exercise that I'm gonna talk about and you will envision this happening in a minute, but it took 45 minutes. You have a partner who's a total stranger. You stand up together. Pretend that you two are partners. Your job, Jacob, is to stand up as tall as you can. Chest up, head up so your eyes are gazing upward. You don't have to do it. Just follow along.
00:45:27
wegettodothis
yeah but Well, it'd take 45 minutes. Your job is to coach him on doing that. So you say chest up, head up, put a little smile on your face, but do it more. Do it more. Bigger smile, bigger smile. Your chest is dropping, chest up, bigger smile. Look up a little higher. Breathe a little deeper.
00:45:49
wegettodothis
longer breath, deeper breath, fill up your belly, eyes back up, smile, you're losing, yep, there you go, chest up, and you just keep going through this, and you get to this physical state, motion. You get into this physical motion, position. Everything changes, your thoughts change,
00:46:12
wegettodothis
Your blood chemistry changes, oxygen to tissue, ratio of cortisol to melatonin, epinephrine, norepinephrine, growth hormone, all of your inflammatory hormones and cytokines and all of these things. It all changes that fast. And then once they're in that position, you say to the person without changing that position,
00:46:41
wegettodothis
without changing your eye gaze, the smile and the tension of the muscles you feel in your face, think of something negative. You can't. You can't unless you change your posture first. That is a scientific fact.
00:47:02
wegettodothis
So what do you do with people that are stressed? You help them identify there are stressors in your life, things that naturally cause stress, but how you choose to perceive that stress is your choice. What do you do with it? I had this conversation with a client this morning. I asked her a question. Think of somebody that you look up to as an adult. When we were kids, we looked up to but usually for different reasons. Now that you're an adult, who do you look up to and why? This is a conversation we had this morning.
00:47:43
wegettodothis
We talked about that. And after observing a group of my clients who I look up to, my client's a great deal. I learned more from them, I think, than they learned from me.
00:47:54
wegettodothis
What I have learned about people that I would consider to be successful, whatever that means for you, what I consider to be successful, these people can handle what it appears to be a substantial amount of stress. Totally fine. And it's made me think over the last handful of years, I think, and I could be wrong. This is just my hypothesis.
00:48:23
wegettodothis
The degree to which somebody is successful is the degree to which they can handle stress. Your success level is governed by your ability to handle stress. That's a hypothesis I made just by observation. And I'm still holding on to it. I'm open to being proven otherwise, but I'm gonna hold on to that for now.
00:48:50
wegettodothis
Where do you think that comes from? Do you think that's something that you are born with and you can just handle a lot of stress or do you think it is reps over time?
00:49:02
wegettodothis
I'm going to say what everyone else has said that's gone before me. Emotions are a muscle. It is a muscle and you work on it and you work on it. And as you accomplish something stressful, and I'm going to give a perfect example,
00:49:18
wegettodothis
direct related to you two that's gonna hit home. As you accomplish something successful, what happens to your confidence on being able to handle that stress that you just got through? Your confidence goes up. What you accomplished in your long run a couple months ago, right? The fact that you accomplished that meant to that you had to Find things inside of you that you didn't even know existed. You had to become somebody that you had never been, right? To accomplish something that you've never accomplished. As soon as you accomplished that, and it wasn't because you accomplished it, it's because of who you had to become to accomplish it. Your confidence in your life overall
00:50:16
wegettodothis
Tell me if I'm wrong, went up. Your ability to handle stress, what the little things that used to stress you out, I bet you just went away. They probably don't stress you out anymore. You were so much more capable in life of handling, dealing with how you perceive stress, your ability went up. And therefore your overall stress went down.
00:50:45
wegettodothis
Why do I, I don't think you're born with it. I think you learn it. You learn it by succeeding. You learn it by failing. You learn it by succeeding. You learn it by failing and you keep pushing that and you keep pushing that. You learn it by being inspired or being desperate. You are inspired to run that race. I know you were, or you wouldn't have given it a shot.
00:51:08
wegettodothis
But without knowing, I can say I know, there were probably moments in that race where you felt desperate. And those two things together, working congruently at the same time, forced you to be calm and do things that you've never done. And therefore you accomplished something that you've never accomplished before.
00:51:36
wegettodothis
But those crazy degrees of inspiration and desperation are the reason that you got there. And then you were on the threshold probably several times, maybe questioning, I don't know if I can do this. I don't know if I can do another step. I don't know if I can do another mile. But then you find the value of people that you love and care about you surrounding, encouraging,
00:52:04
wegettodothis
you don't know that you can do this. It doesn't mean that you can't do this, right? So you have people around you encouraging willing you to do something that maybe you don't even want to do because you don't believe or know that you can but you proved yourself that you could. That's why I called you in the middle of it inspiration. I was like mile 180. I was like, you're like the last person me i'm like I need I need something big here. What did I say? You laughed. It was great. I laughed at you? That was awesome. I think you're like, I bet you're feeling some, like a lot of pain. Bet you're feeling a lot right now, aren't you? I'm like crying. I'm not going to go on with your fortune yourself, of course you are. I think you, I think you said, oh, are you, are you crying right now? I think you sounded concerned. That's right. And you're like, good. Good. You're feeling things.
00:53:03
wegettodothis
Yeah. Well, I think I remember saying that, but why I said good it maybe was lost, you know, and when I asked if you were crying, if you're in pain and you said yes, and I said good, it's not because um I'm glad you're sorry. I said good, it's because that's good, because you're about to break through something you've never broken through before. I think you you did say that too. We just left that out. yeah Well, you talked about the whole reason why I said it just made me look like a jerk.
00:53:33
wegettodothis
Well, we talked about specifically how you like, you talked about how the last 20 miles or whatever was a celebration at this point. You were like, you're not going to have to be on a night anymore. and You've made it to the end. You're sleeping in your own beds and you know, whatever that was, you know, i think it'll fear anymore it's time you're almost done. Now let's like go have fun, right? Yeah. That's a, that's a big part of it too. Yeah. I mean, ultras are that perfect example of hitting those super high highs.
00:54:02
wegettodothis
in the super low lows. And then you do transform as a result. I mean, my last five miles of the 200 was this incredible out of body experience. And I chased that. That's one of the reasons why I do these things. That's why I did my 50 miler first. I was like, this is absolutely incredible. This is one of the biggest highs I've ever had in my life without using drug substances, like it was just me pushing my body to all the limits. And then same for the thing for the hundred, that those last like 10 miles, i the last few races, last few ultras, I pretty much, I run fast on the last like five to 10 miles, because if you've had like such that low, that then, I don't know, you could probably explain what this is better, but just like that, passion the passion,
00:54:57
wegettodothis
Like that energy just like comes in and just pushes you and gets you across the finish line. And I feel like, I mean, I've never had kids, but like for a mom giving labor, you know, and going way past the pain level that humans typically experience, but yet you persevere because you're doing this incredible thing. You've been in that pain and then you have a child out of it and you're producing life. And.
00:55:24
wegettodothis
That's one of the reasons why I do these races is to experience all of the feelings. And like you're saying, I think so many people- You're a feeling addict. I like to feel. Yes. And so many people do now just stay in that comfort zone. And I think there's times for that, but my whole goal and one of the reasons why I run is to show people that there's so We have so many feelings in our bodies and this human experience that we're having. And it just, it's so hard for me to see when people don't have those experiences. Not that I want you to be suffering and super sad all the time, but that's how you get to those highs.
Future Topics & Entrepreneurial Advice
00:56:10
wegettodothis
Like that's how you experience that joy and don't just have this like average human experience. Cause I think that does lead to depression and stress and
00:56:24
wegettodothis
I don't want that.
00:56:28
wegettodothis
Who does? Right. And that's, that's one way to get it. That's one way. That's one way to get it. Absolutely. Do we want to talk about nutrition at all? Or do you want to read almost an hour? Do you to talk about nutrition or do you want to save it and talk about it another time? Maybe we could talk another time. Sure.
00:56:55
wegettodothis
Can we have you back again? Of course. it's good one One last question I have. If you had,
00:57:05
wegettodothis
for the entrepreneur side of things, because I did want to just briefly touch on this.
00:57:14
wegettodothis
One piece of advice for Kaylee and I specifically to, as we grow our businesses, and you can think about the, we get to do this podcast as a way of us kind of, you know, working together a little bit on growing our business. You know, we're 26 and 30 and we have a long ways to go right over the next, what we're trying to do and whatnot. I'm just curious if you have any advice for us and what do you think?
00:57:42
wegettodothis
in terms of things we could potentially work on to become better, either for, again, each business individually or for this podcast or anything like that. Or something you wish you had known when you started getting into the entrepreneurship world. It's a little bit of a basic question, but sometimes I'm basic. It's a good question.
00:58:11
wegettodothis
Correct me if I'm wrong. your Your question is, do I have any advice to give you as early entrepreneurs? Yeah. Sure. I can think of it a few things. But you know these are just my experiences, whether my personal experiences or observation in my life experience. But you need people.
00:58:40
wegettodothis
You need good people around you. The question that you're asking me is a good question to ask a lot of people all of the time. You will get different pieces of advice. Sometimes they contrast each other glaringly from highly successful people.
00:59:04
wegettodothis
So understand that other people's advice is maybe what has worked for them or what didn't work for them, that may or may not have anything to do with you. Take everyone's advice, including mine, with a grain of sand, regardless of how successful they are. But that grain of sand does matter. You want to accumulate as many pieces of sand as you can to the point where you have so much of it you can form.
00:59:38
wegettodothis
can You can form your own landscape. You know, best way to learn is from other people's failures. Second best way to learn is from yours. And find out what other people's are.
00:59:57
wegettodothis
Sometimes their failure might not be yours. Sometimes one person's failure is another person's success. My business plan is a failure for most people in the industry. Most people's business plan is how can I do more, attract more people. It's about volume. That's success for most people. Most people are successful in this business with them. Yours probably will be too.
01:00:27
wegettodothis
That was not mine. I found my success by narrowing my scope, helping less people, but each of those people more dramatically. It's not a good business plan from a financial standpoint, but it was the right business plan for me from a sense of value standpoint, personal value.
01:00:52
wegettodothis
Um, so my advice to you would be, get a lot of advice, take all of it with a grain of salt. Trust your instincts. Trust your instincts. Cool. Thank you very much for coming on. We definitely to have you on again. love to If, if you want to share any like information on and people want to like follow you or keep up with you.
01:01:22
wegettodothis
what would that be
01:01:26
wegettodothis
Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. That's why I'll send the answer to that question. Yeah. I mean, as you know, I really don't do any marketing, not because I'm against marketing. I think it's great. It's just not where my interest lasts. Yep. You can stay kind of like a unicorn. Mic drop. I'm like a unicorn. Yeah. You're kind of like a unicorn. You're kind of like my unicorn a little bit. That's why I've described it before.
01:01:54
wegettodothis
okay Cool. Well, thank you. We appreciate you, Todd. Thank you, Todd. Did that go the way you wanted to? For completely unprepared. I think so.
01:02:06
wegettodothis
and i was and sorry ten hours