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Evolution & Ghostbusters Connection
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I'll say good for you.
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NANU NANU and welcome to the disenfranchised podcast where that podcast all about those franchises have won those films that fancy themselves full fledged franchises before falling flat on their face. After the first film, I am your host Stephen Foxworthy. And joining me today as always the man who always knows the importance of lubricant. It's Tucker. Hey, Tucker. Hey, Stephen. How's it going? It goes, man. How are you?
00:00:54
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doing okay doing okay i got a i have a confession that is i've watched this movie last week mmm because you know we were gonna record last week and then we decided not to uh... i didn't watch it i couldn't bring myself to watch it again steven i don't blame you frankly i thought about it i was like i could maybe watch it while i'm folding laundry or something you know while i'm doing other stuff maybe just to
00:01:22
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freshen up on it, but no, fuck that. And before we talk about this, what that movie is, I should mention that our co-host Brett Wright is currently out shopping for all the head and shoulders he can get his hands on. We wish him good luck in that endeavor and a very
00:01:39
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very speedy return. But this was supposed to be a bread episode until he had his shampoo emergency, because we've got a new Ghostbusters movie rolling into theaters this weekend.
Cast & Plot of Evolution
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Ghostbusters colon Frozen Empire popping back into theaters. And
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Yeah, last time there was a Ghostbusters movie, we covered Ghostbusters 2016. And RIPD tragically got a sequel last year, so we can't really cover that. So when we were thinking of a movie to cover to coincide with Ghostbusters, there was really only one movie to call, which was what, Tucker?
00:02:29
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Evolution. The 2001 Ivan Reitman film Evolution, written by Don Jacobi, David Diamond, and David Weissman, directed as we said by the director of Ghostbusters 1 and 2.
00:02:46
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to Ivan Reitman, and starring David Duchovny, Julianne Moore, Orlando Jones, Sean William Scott, Ted Levine, Ian Saplee, Michael Donkey Lips Bower, Pat Kilbane, Ty Burrell, Dan Aykroyd, Catherine Towne, Kyle Gass, Sarah Silverman, Jerry Trainor, Richard Motherfucking Mull, and in a blink and you miss it cameo, John Cho.
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What a cast, but Tucker, what a picture. It's so weird when you see John Cho and Kyle Gasp both, you expect them to like appear outside of the one scene that they're in. But no. And then you never see him again. You're like, oh, that's John. He can be in it now. That's fucking fucking Harold's going to be in this shit, man.
00:03:40
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But no. KG, same thing. He just stands there for a few minutes and then. And then he fucks right out of this movie, man. Yeah. Meanwhile, you get mad TV's Pat Kilbane just. Just soaking up screen time in this movie.
Cameos & Typecasting Discussion
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Salute your shorts. Michael Donkey lips Bower just again, luxuriating in that screen time like.
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Oh, yeah, he was one of the college kids, the dumb ones. Yeah. And then ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan ethan
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Yeah, that's the curve right there, I guess. I'm looking at John Cho and he has a lot of credits that precede this movie, including his kind of first big movie in American Pie in 1999. He's also in like American Beauty in 99 Academy Award winning film there. Thank you. Come again. Was that before or after?
00:05:07
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I don't know what that movie is. It's a movie. That's why it's funny in Harold and Kumar when the Mountain Dew guys say that to him because that was a movie he was in. I'm not seeing this on his IMDB page. Well, maybe I imagined it. Maybe. That's definitely possible. I do that. Is that him or is that his his co-star?
00:05:35
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It could have been cow pen. I was going to say, is that cow pan? Maybe and probably that would make more sense. Speaking from a racist standpoint, I would say why Stephen, why would that be? JK, no, no, no. You know what? Your mind goes there. You can't look. It's society, man. Look, we we we all have we're all
00:06:05
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We all have thoughts. I don't. But I don't see that on Cal Penn's film either. So I think it's just them being racist.
Ivan Reitman's Filmography
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No, it's something I made up. I swear there was a movie. It doesn't matter. Let's let's continue. Maybe I'll find it while we're talking. But yeah, like John Cho has been in stuff, but he he doesn't really hit until Harold and Kumar.
00:06:33
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Despite the fact that he's in all of the American Pie movies, American Pie 2 comes out the same year as this movie. He's also in Justin Lin's first movie, Better Luck Tomorrow in 2002. That's what it is. That's what it is. Better Luck Tomorrow? Yeah, that's what they say in the movie.
00:06:58
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OK, it's got to be right. That's that's the one with Sun Kang as Han. It's a drama. It's a drama. Yeah. And it's it's the crime drama. Yeah, that's what it is. Sun Kang playing the same character he would go on to play in the Fast and Furious movies. Oh, really? Yeah, same character. That's wild. So, yeah, but to see John Cho kind of relegated to a
00:07:29
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I'm not he had a cameo that yeah, he's a glorified extra really, like is really surprised makes me feel like there was more to that role that just ended up on the cutting room floor. And given given the comedy of the rest of this movie, that might be for the best.
00:07:48
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Honestly, yeah, we don't need another like horrible depiction of men in this movie. No. Every man in this movie is the biggest piece of shit. Correct. Most misogynistic, sexist, most of the things that they say and do border on sexual harassment. Mm hmm. 90 percent of this fucking movie. It's disgusting. Every every man in this movie is in a competition to see who can be the most Venkman esque.
00:08:17
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like predator possible. Because that's, I mean, Bill Murray does occupy that role in the first Ghostbusters. And that they're not funny or charming enough for us to look past it. You know what I mean? That's kind of what it is. Like I was trying to drag graph like one on one analogues for a lot of these characters.
00:08:37
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And you kind of can't because they all are like, the company I think is probably the most clear Venkman analog, or at least is supposed to be. There are so many lines in this movie that David Duchovny says that there's no way they weren't written for Bill Murray, or at least with him in mind, right? Or at least that kind of character. There's so much I was like, that's something that I could see Bill Murray saying, and it would be really funny.
00:09:04
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Right. But no. But see, I don't even think the jokes are that good here.
00:09:12
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Like the jokes themselves come off as kind of half baked. So even if they're written as something Bill Murray might say, I can't see Bill Murray actually like. Daining to say them. And even Sean William Scott can't save this and Sean William Scott is he has a talent for elevating
Casting Decisions & Script Rewrites
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stuff that is. Not that funny, honestly, like he's the kind of comedic actor that can make
00:09:40
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a certain role of more watchable than other actors. Especially around this time, that was kind of the role. Absolutely. Like he's kind of fallen from grace, as it were, but like in the early 2000s. Like he was in Wrath of Becky and he rocked it, just saying, that came out last year. Fair. Which I still have not seen either of the Becky's. But I mean, this around this time, starting in 99 with American Pie,
00:10:08
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Um, we get that he's in, he's in the first final destination. He's in road trip. Uh, dude, where's my car? Like that's, that's two years. You get all three of those. If I may stop you for 30 seconds, I am not ashamed to say that I love dude. Where's my car? That does not surprise me even a little bit.
00:10:31
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It's so dumb, but it's one of those movies. It's not as good as pretty tank, but it's one of those movies that like it's so dumb, but it's like so clever in the way that it's dumb. Yeah. And the fact that the two leads just nail it like it's kind of a fantastic. I love that movie. I actually want to watch it. That'll be on next week's. What are we watching? I promise you. There you go. Patreon.com slash just a French pod for our weekly. What are we watching?
00:10:57
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Please continue, sorry. No, but then so that's like American Pie is 99 and then Final Destination Road Trip Dude Wears My Car 2000. 2000 is a big year for him. 2001, it's Evolution, it's American Pie 2, and it's his cameo in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. Yeah, but if you were a sheep, you would fuck another sheep. If only if you were a sheep. If you were a sheep. If you were another sheep.
00:11:26
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We get Old School Bulletproof, future episodes of this podcast Bulletproof Monk and American Wedding and The Rundown, all in 2003. And then in 2005, we get the Dukes of Hazzard. 2006, we get Ice Age the Miltdown and Southland Tales.
00:11:49
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And then it's the downward slope. 2007. It's American loser and Mr. Woodcock. 2008. It's the promotion and role models. David wins role models. Role models is pretty good. It's okay. It's okay. 2009 balls out Gary, the tennis coach, probably a future episode
Critique of Evolution's Execution & CGI
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of this podcast. Well, that's got for walking in it, doesn't it? Now you're thinking balls of fury. Oh,
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Does he play an Asian guy in that, Christopher Walken? Yes, he's a Fu Man Chu kind of character. Okay, hopefully it's not like Breakfast at Tiffany's or anything. No. Okay. Not to my understanding. So you've got Balls Out and Ice Age Dawn of the Dinosaurs and Planet 51, both of the last two, he's doing a voice.
00:12:41
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cop-out in 2010, goon in 2011. Oh, that was good. American Re... I heard it was good. I've not seen it. Leave Shriver. Leave Shriver's in it. Directed by J. Bear Herschel. Oh, interesting. Yeah. American Reunion and Ice Age Continental Drift in 2012. Who is he in Ice Age? Is he in all of them? I don't know if I've seen an Ice Age. Everything after the first one, it looks like. He plays a character named Crash. That tracks.
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But yeah, like so I mean, like it's 2006 and then it's kind of all downhill. So he gets maybe a good seven years and then he just kind of like starts popping up in like small roles and stuff like he's he was on that TV show Lethal Weapon. I think he was brought in to replace the original rigs on that show.
00:13:36
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You rave about him and Wrath of Becky, but like he's got a he's got a role in Super Troopers 2. Yes. Pretty much that too. Pretty much does all the I say he's got a great one episode performance and an episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Country Mac. Country Mac. Yeah. Yeah. I love that episode. That's a good app. Yeah, dude.
00:14:01
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I think the issue with Sean William Scott is that he got very specifically typecast because I've seen this dude do other stuff and he can do other stuff. Wrath of Becky.
00:14:16
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While it's not my favorite performance of his, it's his best. He is, I am scared of him. I'm frightened of him in that movie. I believe him in that movie. Like fun on whoo. Yeah, I mean, he's scary as hell in that movie. And I mean, I was never like fond of his style of humor, but you're right. Like he gets cast as Stiffler in American Wedding or in American Pie, rather, and that kind of becomes
00:14:46
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his his niche like the what the role he tends to get pigeonholed into and it he's never quite able to break out of that unless he's doing like indie movies like his star kind of falls because he wants to break away from that and I frankly can't blame him. I'd get bored too. Yeah.
00:15:11
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So like, yeah, I mean, if it's between like playing the same character you've been playing since the late 90s, or, you know, trying something new in a movie that may not pay you as much, as an artist, I understand the desire to maybe not go for the paycheck. And hey, you know, if you're a good enough actor,
00:15:35
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any indie film would be glad to have you. So just by volume alone, like you do the Nicolas Cage thing. You're just like, I'm going to knock it out of the park in every movie, no matter what the fuck it is. Well, so many of those like so many of those things are like like asylum pieces or like those red box movies where it's just like a generic title and they show up for like a scene or two. But then if you're there, they can put your name and your face on the front of the box.
00:16:03
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Yeah, and then some other guy can do the heavy lifting for most of the movie like that's Bruce Willis like when I think before his
00:16:11
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Uh, before his dementia got too bad, just basically made his career on those kinds of movies to try to get as much money as he could before, while he, while he still could. He's in it five minutes. They put his face on the box and he's, he's doing it all from a chair. Like it's a seated performance. Like you just kind of sitting there barking orders or, you know, calling some guy, uh, like a candy ass or something. I don't know. It's like.
00:16:37
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It's like Jack Nicholson with like every every time you see a Little Shop of Horrors for sale, the original, it's like starring Jack Nicholson. Exactly. His face is big on the he's in that movie for less than five minutes. He's doing the memory part from the musical in five minutes. Yes. Which actually doesn't exist in the musical proper only in the film of the right. Right. Which is I mean, look, the musical is one of my favorite
00:17:08
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movie musicals, if not my well, no, it's not my favorite, but it's it's top three. Easy. Oh, yeah. Def. Because my favorite is Cabaret. Cabaret fucking rips. Love Cabaret. All that jazz, probably a very close second. And then Little Shop. But like fucking a all of those great movies. But yeah, no love Little Shop so much. I'm interested to see the Dante reboot. If it happens.
00:17:38
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I don't know, man. I don't know. I love I love Dante. I love Dante. I love Corman. It's written by the same guy who wrote my love of Gremlins to the new batch. Like I can't I can't not be into that. I know. But look, I don't.
00:17:54
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I can't help but be, you know, very cautiously. Sure. No optimistic. I get it. And it's the kind of thing where like you want to make a movie, you have to stick with an established property because those are the only kind of movies anyone wants to make anymore.
00:18:11
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Yeah, which is a bummer, which is kind of why we get evolution, which is basically to kind of steer us back into the end of the stream here. Yeah, this is I mean, this is 2001. So men in black, I think is 98 if memory serves. And so we get
00:18:32
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of 97. Men in Black 2 is 2002. So Men in Black 2 comes out the year after this. But we get like Men in Black in 97. This script comes across the some producers desk. And it's it is a straight up sci fi thriller.
00:18:56
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There is no comedy, there are no jokes. It is a story about, it's kind of like, I mean, there's probably CGI, but it's like those, like Mimic or The Relic, like shit like that. Like there's an alien entity that's here and we have to stop it. Kind of a thing. Independence Day, that kind of shit. And some producer gets it, looks at it and says, you know what?
00:19:26
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put some jokes in here and we could have a Men in Black style hit. In fact, you've got four main characters. Let's make it a Ghostbusters thing. I was gonna say there's no way that they didn't want this to be kind of a new Ghostbusters because this movie, the main, every main plot that they hit, like everything that they do, it mirrors that first movie so much.
00:19:51
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Exactly. No, so they bring in they bring in two other screenwriters. So the original script is Don Jacobi. And that draft was sold in 98. Looking at the Wikipedia page here and then so
00:20:11
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It's Ivan Reitman who sees the potential in turning it into a comedy. He's the one who hires David Diamond and David Weissman to rewrite it and basically create what Reitman called a modern day successor to Ghostbusters. The spiritual sequel.
00:20:34
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Yeah, like this spiritual reboot, I guess. When you and when Bretton and the two of us were talking about this episode, I remember you pitched evolution as I mean, this was basically Ghostbusters.
00:20:49
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Yeah, like you kind of see what they're they kind of see them trying to do a men in black meets Ghostbusters. Like what if the Ghostbusters fought aliens instead of instead of ghosts, like and that's basically what this movie becomes. Yep, absolutely. It's like I think you can kind of
00:21:14
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you can be like, oh, that's just a coincidence, pretty much through most of the movie, until Dan Aykroyd shows up as the mayor. Mm, governor. No, no, no, look, he may be the governor of that movie, but he's the mayor from Ghostbusters. Yeah, okay, understood, understood. And Ghostbusters too, Lenny. Lenny. Lenny. You will have saved the lives of millions.
00:21:41
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of registered voters. See, this is why I wish Brett could be here so you guys could just do your Ghostbusters 2 off that you normally do. I haven't seen Ghostbusters 2 recently enough to be able to do this with you. Hey, I'm a voter. Aren't you supposed to lie to me and kiss my butt? Anyway, please continue. No, no, no, no. I mean, that was basically it. Like, I mean, this movie is...
00:22:09
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I mean, this is kind of Reitman's. Reitman seems to be the guy pushing this uphill. So I kind of want to get into the Reitman of it all because Reitman is. He he starts off being a really big comedy guy like that is his what he's known for. You know, his first movie, the first movie he directs. Yeah.
00:22:37
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It is a 1971 comedy called Foxy Lady. Nice. His second movie is a 1973, probably an erotic comedy horror thing called Cannibal Girls. Oh, hey.
00:23:00
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And then we get into the stuff he is probably best known for meatballs in 79, stripes in 81, and then Ghostbusters in 84. So between all three of these movies have one thing in common and that is the comedy stylings of Saturday Night Live's Bill Murray.
00:23:24
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Harold Ramis is a part of most of those as well. He is. I don't think he has anything to do with meatballs, but he is at least an actor in Stripes. He's also a credited writer on Stripes. I think he's a co-writer on Stripes, yeah. He is. Yeah, he is one of the credited writers on Stripes.
00:23:45
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I don't know if he has any, I don't think he has anything to do with meatballs, but stripes, yes. Ghostbusters, yes. Basically, the story of Ghostbusters is Dan Aykroyd hands in a phone book of a movie. Right then goes, this is impossible. Gives it to Ramis and goes, I don't know, see what you can do with this. And Ramis kind of- Aykroyd, who is, I think it's important to mention that Dan Aykroyd, God love him, bless his heart.
00:24:14
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He's way into like really like seriously into like the paranormal. Here's the thing that I love about Dan Aykroyd. His two arguably his two most iconic roles are Ray Stance and Ghostbusters and Elwood J. Blues in the Blues Brothers. And he literally is both of those. He's both of those people. Yeah, that's him. Those people put together. That's Danny Aykroyd.
00:24:35
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without any exaggeration whatsoever. He is a car guy who loves rhythm and blues music from Chicago in that timeframe. And he is also really super fucking into the paranormal to the point of like obsession.
00:24:48
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Yeah, like so he is 100% race dance. He is 100% Elwood J. Blues like that. That's just it, man. I mean, again, God love him. He's a weirdo. He really is after Ghostbusters. So with those, he becomes.
00:25:08
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Basically the guy who can reign Bill Murray in. Because Bill Murray is a notoriously difficult person to work with. These days one might go so far as to call him an asshole. Outside of Tootsie. Outside of Tootsie. He was very non Bill Murray on the set. He didn't even want to be credited.
00:25:29
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in Tootsie, not because it was ashamed of it, but because he didn't want people to think it was a comedy because Bill Murray was in it, or at least not that kind of comedy. Exactly. You know, he was not I mean, his character was funny, but it was not a comedic role. Right in Tootsie, I don't think.
00:25:45
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Like he agrees to do Ghostbusters, like the part is originally written for Belushi, I think John Belushi, but Belushi passes away shortly before, they have to kind of cajole him to take it. And the only reason he does is because there's a movie that he really wants to make called The Razor's Edge. And basically, Columbia promises them that they'll make Razor's Edge if he makes Ghostbusters.
00:26:11
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So he does, and they do. But he's a notoriously difficult person to work with. And Harold Ramis, who has been his friend for a long time, there was something happened on the set of Groundhog Day, and it took Ramis almost dying for them to finally reconcile. It's the reason why we never got a Ghostbusters 3.
00:26:35
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is because Murray, Ramis, Reitman, and Ackroyd all had to agree, and Murray was always the holdout. Always. Anytime a new Ghostbusters anything would try to happen, Murray would be your lone holdout. I remember those years. I remember those years. Early internet years of all those rumors.
00:26:57
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He'd show up at an awards show in a Ghostbusters suit and everything. And you'd be like, what's that mean? And like, it was a wild time to be alive, man. Just waiting for that new Ghostbusters for a while. Like it was going to be a movie where they passed the torch and like Ben Stiller was going to be one of the new Ghostbusters. I have a couple of those scripts. I do. If you want to read them, let me know. I can get them to you.
00:27:20
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Um, they're weird. They're really weird. Like there are some where he's like, I'll do it if you kill me off. And then he wanted to be a ghost the whole time. Yeah. He could do a voice role. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like he just, that actually, I would kind of be into, or like, if he could like take the concept of Slimer, but instead of Slimer, it's Bill Murray. It's Peter Venkman. It's the ghost of Peter Venkman.
00:27:43
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Like how fucking rad would that be? I'd watch that. So then Reitman does Legal Eagles, which I think is a Robert Redford movie. And then he starts working with Arnold Schwarzenegger. So it's future episode of this podcast, Twins. And then you get Ghostbusters 2. Then you get Kindergarten Cop. Then you get Not a Tuma. Not a Tuma at all. Then you get Dave.
00:28:08
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Oh, yeah, everybody loved that one. And then arguably, I'd say this is the point where Reitman starts to falter a bit. You get junior in 1994. Did people not like that? People. I remember that being a big deal. It gets a four point seven on. Well, maybe it was just well marketed. It was definitely that because again, it's it's another it's another Arnold Schwarzenegger comedy. It's a retaming with him and Danny DeVito after twins like.
00:28:38
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Um, he, he, then he did that with, and 97 you get father's day, Crystal and Robin Williams. And like, you, you think you see those two names and you're like, okay, no.
00:28:53
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No. I've never, I've never not laughed at a movie so much. I like that you have to make up a negative laugh for that movie. I don't know. It's not exactly the opposite of a laugh because that would be like a grrrr or something, but it's like, it's like the laugh goes back inside of you and refuses to come out. The inhalation of breath where a laugh should be like a... Yes. Instead of having a bit of a chuckle, you're gasping for hair because this movie is killing you because of how bad it is.
00:29:22
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And speaking of bad movies, his next film is the Harrison Ford and Haysh movie, Six Days, Seven Nights. I didn't hate that. That came with every DVD player back in the day. If you bought a DVD player, you got that. The remake of Lost in Space.
00:29:40
Speaker
fucking Mother's Day or something like that, something with Diane Keaton in it. Stepmom stepmom. And fuck, there's another one. I'm so mad. It's funny because whenever I go to my parents' house, I go to their shelf and they have like three copies unopened of each of the movies that used to come with DVD players. It's pretty rad. And that's my mind. I can't think of the other one, though.
00:30:09
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Yeah, but Six Days, Seven Nights was one of those films that used to come with every DVD player. So Six Days, Seven Nights is 98. This movie is his very next film. After that, he only has three more films before he passes away.
00:30:24
Speaker
Ah, director jail. I mean, RIP, but ha ha. Director jail. I mean, served at RIP. His his his next three movies are My Super Ex-Girlfriend in 2006, No Strings Attached in 2011. I think that was the Ashton Kutcher, Natalie Portman one. Yes. Yeah, dude. And then his final film is Draft Day, an early Chadwick Boseman film. You but you need to see this even because of how much you love Kevin Costner. Hmm.
00:30:55
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I tease, Steven notoriously hates Kevin Costner. And not for any logical reason either. No, absolutely not. But more because, I don't know, just for funsies, just to be that way.
00:31:10
Speaker
And I support that, Steven. I support it 100 percent. Good. Good. Sometimes I do stuff just to be that way. I really I've I have never cared for Kevin Costner. I still do not care for Kevin Costner. Waterworld though, man. Yeah, exact future episode of this podcast, Waterworld. I like Waterworld. It's done. I like it. We'll get into it, man. We'll get into it. Give me a 4K on that. Actually, I think there is a 4K of that.
00:31:33
Speaker
There probably is a 4K. There is. There's a 4K of motel hell. Come on. Still no 4K of bringing out the dead. Not even a Blu-ray. Not even a fucking Blu-ray. I was about to say, what about bringing out the dead, though? Not even a fucking Blu-ray, Steven.
00:31:48
Speaker
Because I know that's the one that you're kind of constantly like. That's the one I'm stuck on. I'm stuck on it. You are. That's why when I buy stuff like God told me to and Motel Hell on 4K, I love the fact that I'm getting that on 4K. But also I look at it and I'm like bringing out the dead man. What the fuck with the actual fuck mystery men love that movie. But bring out it. Not even on Blu-ray. It's not even on Blu-ray, Steven.
00:32:14
Speaker
Criterion just announced this past week that they're going to make release bound. Oh, yeah. The Wachowski movie bound. Yeah, I like that movie. It's with Joey pants and pants. Not with the sister of John and Jennifer Tilly.
00:32:32
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Tilly. Yeah, Jennifer Tilly. Yeah. Yo, they. So there's an episode in the second season of Chucky where there's a bit of a bound reunion because Jennifer Tilly has a party at her house. And so her sister Meg Tilly is there and Joey Pants is there. And it's just really cool that like it's Chucky. It's a Chucky TV series. But you got Joey Pants in that motherfucker. Meg Tilly is really fun. Couple episodes because they both die.
00:32:58
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That's fantastic. I love Joey Pants. That guy's amazing. That's a guy who has, he has no love lately. Lenny! Lenny! Oh, that's too bad.
00:33:08
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But yeah, so this movie, I mean, Ivan Reitman kind of in desperate need of a hit at this point in his career. And this movie is not it. No. And you almost get the sense that he's trying to go back to the well to find, well, what did I do that they loved? What did I do that was successful? And how can I really involved a mayor?
00:33:34
Speaker
But if we switch it to a governor, maybe no one will notice. Well, well, no, but no, that's elevating it. So, yeah, right. Ghostbusters had a mayor. This one will have a governor. This guy runs the whole fucking state right out of here. We're going to have him still lets people the New York City just saying. Right. We're going to have him with the entire Canadian accent like on the phone to the president of the United States at one point.
00:33:58
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Look, look, Dan Aykroyd has an accent all his own. That's called the Dan Aykroyd accent. And it's when you talk really fast like this and you say things in such a way that it just has to go really fast out of your mouth. That's the Dan Aykroyd accent. That's the balsamic.
00:34:14
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Yeah dude. Such a unique voice. This man could try to hide his voice by doing different voices. It's always Dan Ackerite though. He just has a very
00:34:30
Speaker
You know it, Stan Aykroyd. You know it. Every time you hear the man. Even when he's affecting some other voice. When he's playing Nixon, yeah. Or Elwood. Elwood, he's got the deep Chicago accent on. Oh, yeah. He barely speaks in that, yeah. And the songs that he does sing on,
00:34:50
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He fucking kills Rubber Biscuit, dude. Oh, I fucking love Rubber Biscuit. He kills that fucking song. What you want for nothing. Oh, so good. Rubber Biscuit. Rubber Biscuit. Yeah, dude.
00:35:04
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Look, I heard another version of that a couple of weeks ago on something I was watching. I don't remember what it was, but I was like, hey, rubber biscuit. Not Bruce Brothers version, but rubber biscuit. Maybe the original. Who knows? Like, that's the thing. They every song they did was a cover. Like, they didn't have any original songs and a ricochet biscuit is a type of a biscuit. A cool what a cool what a sandwich and a Sunday go to meat and bun.
00:35:31
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About L.O. Such a great song, man. I love that's my favorite Blues Brothers song. Rubber, rubber biscuit, rubber biscuit fucking rips. I love, love, love rubber biscuit. Absolutely. That song slaps.
00:35:47
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Make no mistake, it slaps and slaps hard. Listeners, if you're not familiar with rubber biscuit, go to your streaming service of choice, music streaming service of choice and listen to that soon. Put it on your list. Definitely. Definitely. It's fun stuff. Worth putting on your list for sure.
00:36:09
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Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So yeah, I mean, this this obviously comes at a point, Reitman needs a hit, Reitman needs to reconnect. And so he goes with this, he finds the script repurposes as a comedy sees the potential for a Ghostbusters esque
00:36:28
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you know, thing with the the sci fi comedy juice that's in the oeuvre, or rather in the atmosphere in the zeitgeist, thanks to Men in Black, and basically sets out to do the next phase, which is evolution. Tucker, had you seen evolution prior to us watching it for this podcast? I saw it at the movie theater when it came out. What were your impressions then?
00:36:55
Speaker
Oh, that's okay. I didn't hate it back then. No, I mean, I didn't. It's one of those movies where I wanted it to be better. So I thought that, like, if I pretended it was good, you know, I did that on VHS. And I did that in 1999 with a little movie called The Phantom Menace.
00:37:16
Speaker
I pretended I loved it because I wanted it to be because you should and like you wanted it to be in like all the ingredients are there. So why isn't this working? Exactly. And I tried for years. I had the VHS. I've watched it a few times. I'd say since it came out, I've watched it less than 10 times, including when I watched it last week.
00:37:44
Speaker
Damn. Yeah. Which for a movie you own, I mean, that's saying something because you're the kind of a guy, if you like a movie, you'll go back to it.
00:37:52
Speaker
Yeah, but not all movies I own are are movies that I absolutely love. Some movies I own because of how cheap they were. Mm. Stuff like stuff like West Side Story. I have that on VHS and West Side Story is fantastic. It really, really is. But I just I I I recognize it for being fantastic, but I just can't get into it. That VHS over the last probably 25 years has been played maybe twice.
00:38:22
Speaker
Mm. Gotcha. So there's some some stuff in my collection where I'm like, oh, that's a fucking dollar, dude. I'll watch that a couple of times in the next 20 years. Fuck, yeah. Yeah. You know, and then sometimes when you buy stuff like that, too, you'll find other reasons to watch it as well. Like if a friend likes it or a friend hasn't seen it and you think that they would like it, you would watch it. There's a lot of DVDs and Blu-rays that I went through when I lived with Jimmy that I probably would not have watched
00:38:51
Speaker
for a long time, unless it wasn't something that I thought that he would enjoy or something. I wanted to show him, you know. Gotcha. So some stuff in my collection that's just there in case just it's just waiting. It's just waiting there for its time. Yeah. In the spotlight. Yeah, I had seen, I think, bits and pieces like this movie comes out
00:39:16
Speaker
shortly before I leave for college. So this is one that I think someone invariably must have had in the dorm room, because I remember seeing bits and pieces of it, but never actually like sitting down and engaging with the whole movie. And I guess I just knew it by its reputation, which was that it's bad.
00:39:33
Speaker
Yeah, it's real bad. But I didn't know the extent to which it was bad until I sat down to watch it for this recording. And, uh, listener, I'm here to tell you, it's not good. It's not bad. Six point one on IMDB. I don't know how I got that. If you like it, I'm glad I am happy for you. Same. Please explain to us why.
00:39:54
Speaker
Yeah. But yeah, I don't I don't care for this. Like I just it's kind of like that scene in season four of Arrested Development where George Senior looks around the table and just goes, I don't want these. I don't want this. But I don't. And it's a damn shame that like we were talking about the cast before. I love Orlando Jones. I wish Orlando Jones was in more stuff. I love Orlando Jones. Let's fucking talk Orlando Jones.
00:40:21
Speaker
because this is my favorite arc of this movie because he is one of those guys that I...
00:40:31
Speaker
had such a fondness for in the late 90s, early aughts. Me too, me too. And then just to watch him kind of fizzle out in the early aughts like was such a bummer. He's on mad TV from basically 96 to 97 first or maybe 95 tonight first two seasons basically of mad TV. He's in the main cast. He was on a different world. Cosby spin off a different world. He's a bonnet and two episodes of that.
00:41:01
Speaker
Um, and then his show, he's in Woo, the Jada Pinkett Smith vehicle. Woo. Wait, how is he sticky fingers in Woo when sticky fingers is a real person?
00:41:15
Speaker
Is he playing that real person or is he playing a different character also named Sticky Fingers? I've never seen Woo, so I cannot answer that question. But it seems like he has a fairly small role in that film. Word. So I cannot say. But then he is in Office Space in 99, which I think he is hilarious in.
00:41:37
Speaker
Oh, he's the guy selling magazines. Yes, I was addicted to crack. And now I am selling. Well, it took me a second to find that in that movie, because like my brain is just obsessed with Dietrich Bader in that movie. Mm hmm. So like I can't go really past that. Yeah. I'm really into Dune to Dune two chicks at the same time. I believe you get your ass kicked.
00:42:06
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Hey, Peter, man, turn on Channel 9. Rest exam. Also in 99, he's in From Dusk Till Dawn 3, The Hangman's Daughter, the direct-to-video, one of the direct-to-video sequels of From Dusk Till Dawn. Michael Parks is in that. That's the best.
00:42:24
Speaker
Look, I think that's the best film of the series. As much as I love the original for being what it is, which is insane. Second one's okay, too. It's pretty, it's pretty, it's worth your time is what I'm saying. I've only ever seen the first one.
00:42:38
Speaker
The third one is it's it's different, though, like you can't go into it expecting the first two films because it takes place. It's so there's this story called An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge. Are you familiar with this, Stephen? I am. Michael Parks in From Dust Till Dawn 3 plays Ambrose Bierce, the writer of An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge. OK. He's a character in this film played by Michael Parks.
00:43:08
Speaker
Mm hmm. Um. Dude, you've got to see it's it's a it's a I I hate to use this term, but it really is a hidden gem. From dust till darn three from dust till darn darn from dust till three hangman's daughter hurts. In Jim, anybody who I mean, even if you just love Michael Parks, which who doesn't?
00:43:34
Speaker
That's the only reason I own Tusk, is Michael Parks. That's the only reason to own Tusk. Fantastic in that. Fantastic in that. R.I.P. All right. Motherfucking P. Oh, they're coming to get you, Steven. Also in 99, he's in Liberty Heights and one of my favorite films of the year, Magnolia. Magnolia too. That's good. The Magnolias, I believe it's called. The Magnolias, yes.
00:44:00
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showing my showing my age there. Yikes. Yeah. In 2000, it's waterproof. The replacements chain of fools and be dazzled. The replacement was a the replacements was a frequent rental in the Foxworthy household growing up.
00:44:16
Speaker
Oh, yeah. That was fun. Count of Reeves. Yeah. Yeah. Reeves, Orlando Jones, Jon Favreau, Gene Hackman. It just feels good to watch it. Like you watch it and you're like, yeah, this is fun. It's fun, man. And it's got a fucking great cast, man. Howard Deutsch movie, that one. That one's damn, man. Okay. Faison Love.
00:44:39
Speaker
God, yeah, David Denman, Michael Jase, Raishi Fonz, Gaylord Sartain, Art Leflore. God, I love that movie. Anyway. I like Badazzled, too. Badazzled, I think, is really good. It's a really funny movie. He's got a few different roles in Badazzled, like most of the actors in that film. He plays multiple roles, which, again, he was on Mad TV. He's good at that. Double Take. 2001 Double Take. I have a feeling that's a movie you love.
00:45:05
Speaker
That's I do. It's him and Eddie Griffin or Eddie Griffith. Eddie, you know, about that guy, Eddie. Yeah. From from Undercover Brother and Malcolm and Eddie, Malcolm and TV, TV classic, Malcolm and Eddie. Yeah. Richard Pryor was on Malcolm and Eddie. I remember I watched that as it aired. I was like, that's fucking Richard Pryor. What the fuck?
00:45:24
Speaker
Anyway, Double Take is this movie where Orlando Jones plays like the straight man. And Eddie Griffin is he's the the silly like stereotypical black guy. And Orlando Jones is like the he's he's monk from American fiction is who Orlando Jones is in this movie. But because of some situation that happens, I won't spoil it for you because you got to watch it.
00:45:51
Speaker
Orlando Jones's character has to act like Eddie Griffin's character. Right. And the famous scene on the train. Mm hmm. Or the best scene in the movie, Orlando Jones in the like most stereotypical like garb that he could be. And he's like, y'all ain't got no schlitz mount lekker.
00:46:15
Speaker
Please don't do the voice. What the fuck are you doing? He's doing a voice. So I know, but that doesn't mean you need to do the voice. But it's part of the movie. It's in the movie. Okay. Okay. Okay. No, I'll do it again. You ain't got no Schlitz malt liquor.
00:46:35
Speaker
They're coming for you this time, Tucker. I guess, I guess. Damn. They heard that. George Carlin rules. Sorry. I play by George Carlin rules. I apologize. Like, I don't mean to, but that's that's my moral barometer. George Carlin, you know. I mean, OK. Yeah. But yeah, I remember. I mean, that scene was in the trailer. So it was. Yeah, yeah, it was. I was going to say I have seen that scene and I've never seen that movie.
00:47:05
Speaker
And the movie that comes after that actually is another movie like Double Take to where it's very, very funny. It's so crude. Like it's it's crude to a point to where I almost don't like it. But it's so funny that like I can't not. It's like it's one of those movies where you feel bad laughing. But it's so funny. It's I wish it were. But it's so funny. It does. It's really funny, man.
00:47:32
Speaker
Chris Klein, Heather Graham, Orlando Jones, Sally Field, Richard Ma fucking Jenkins in this space. It's not a movie that would get made today. Well, I mean, sure. David L. Lander, Mark Pellegrino.
00:47:49
Speaker
Richard Riley, like, God, what? What? Brent Briscoe? What? Julie White? What a cast. It's Lynn Shea in that motherfucker. Oh, geez. Which she was in that that phase of her career. She was kind of playing like gross old ladies in Fairleigh Brothers movies. And this was produced by the Fairleigh Brothers.
00:48:10
Speaker
That, you know, not directed, not written, but produced and on their stamp is all over it. And that kind of late 90s kind of, oh, are we supposed to be laughing at this kind of Sarah Silverman, who's also in this movie. Yep.
00:48:24
Speaker
Um, so I mean, yeah, like wild. And then, uh, evolution after that, after evolution, you get the Time Machine in 2002, also Drumline in 2002, and then it's kind of obscurity after that. It's- Yeah, I haven't seen any of these movies after evolution.
00:48:46
Speaker
Biker Boys, Runaway Jury, House of D. And it just, it's kind of one of those things. Like an actor will just kind of disappear. But I remember the last big thing he was in would have probably been the Time Machine, which was one of those like big budget blockbusters that no one saw. Like it just kind of bombed immediately after releasing. It's a color palette, I'm telling you.
00:49:16
Speaker
He is in the 2009 future episode of this podcast, Cirque du Freak, The Vampires Assistance. I think I saw that. I did too. Is that by the guy who did Repo, the genetic opera? Is that the same guy? Oh, God, I doubt it.
00:49:33
Speaker
Let me know. His second one was about a circus. That's what it was. No, I'm talking about mostly about that. Yeah, that's Paul White. That's one of the guys from the American Pie movies. Got you. One of the one of the brothers who directed American Pie. No, you're right. Yeah, this is something completely fucking different. Yeah. Yeah. But I think the next major thing he's in is he's in the first.
00:50:00
Speaker
Season and a half I think Maybe the first two seasons of American Gods. Oh, yeah people love that show and And then he's like kind of kicked off that show basically like he has like a run-in with the producers and I think ended up talking some shit on the
00:50:24
Speaker
Uh, and, uh, like ended up getting canned. I don't know the full story of it, but Joe, but recently he was in the, I guess there's a new Raven Simone sitcom. Oh yeah. And boy, I just, I think she's fantastic. I like Raven Simone. I wish we, she'd do other stuff. Um, I always liked her when I was a kid.
00:50:50
Speaker
I first saw her on the Cosby Show, and then she started doing like Nickelodeon stuff, like that's so Raven, even stuff before that. I don't know, something about her. She just seems like a really genuine person.
00:51:04
Speaker
Right on. Oh, anyway, moving moving forward. Yeah. So, I mean, that we've we've we've hit Sean William Scott, we've hit Orlando Jones. Do we want to hit the male and female lead of this? Do we like do we have to? I feel like they're kind of still pretty relevant. Like they've had ups and downs, but I think Julian because Julianne Moore is like at this point an Academy Award nominated actress like she had been in the Hannibal yet.
00:51:34
Speaker
I think Hannibal comes out. No, Hannibal comes out after this because that's Ridley Scott's follow up to. OK, literally, Hannibal is the movie she makes right before this one. Now, look, like I don't like Hannibal. I think that movie fucking sucks. But Julianne Moore, she did try and she did a really good job of picking up that role. Yeah.
00:52:02
Speaker
Like she, she was Clarice. Like I, I believed it. I totally believed it. And like coming off of a Jodie Foster performance, like not anybody could do that. No. I mean, the fact that no one wanted to do it, but Hopkins should have fucking told you something, but no.
00:52:21
Speaker
But Julianne Moore at this point is nominated for Boogie Nights and The End of the Affair. So she's already in and she'll she'll get three more. Two of them will come in 2003 for The Hours in Far From Heaven. And then she finally wins in 2015 for Still Alice, deservedly so, I would say. Also in Magnolia, by the way, we're talking about Orlando Jones in Magnolia. She was a PTA kind of mainstay there for a little while.
00:52:52
Speaker
Yeah. And you were mentioning having seen the new Ethan Coen movie. She's also in The Big Lebowski. She plays Ma. She sure is. And then there's Ma. Does it make you uncomfortable, Mr. Lebowski? Well, without batting an eye, a man can refer to his dick or Rod or Johnson. Her delivery on that is
00:53:16
Speaker
insanely good, so fucking good. She's great. God, I love her. She's amazing. I can't wait till the hype dies down and I can watch that movie again. I don't know if that's ever going to happen, but I can't wait. Probably not. I mean, there's a whole fucking church devoted to the Big Lebowski. And you know what? One day I'll be able to watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail again, but I don't see that coming anytime soon. And also, I doubt you're actually going to get to watch these. That's OK. I saw them. I saw them before they hit.
00:53:44
Speaker
like culturally modern in modern culture. So I got that, whatever. Right. According to IMDB, Reitman cast Duchovny because Duchovny was in Beethoven, which he produced. The dog. Yeah.
00:54:08
Speaker
He's he's like the he's like one of the businessmen that Charles Grodin is trying to like get in with. I'll bet. And apparently Duchovny had a role in Attack of the Clones. And he turned that down to do this movie instead and says the attack of the clones unspecified role is what I'm unclear. Got it. And and he says he never regretted that decision.
00:54:36
Speaker
If I had to guess, I would say he was probably going to be Bail Organa would be my guess. I don't even know who that is. So Leia's adopted dad. It went to Jimmy Smits, played by Jimmy Smits in the movie. We fucking love Jimmy. Good old Jimmy Smits. You always count on Jimmy Smits. You can and should. You need somebody to just come in and not fuck around and do a thing called Jimmy Smits. Right.
00:55:04
Speaker
Um, apparently Michael J. Fox was offered the role that Sean William Scott eventually played. What? No.
00:55:13
Speaker
Apparently, I'm glad he took the Frighteners instead. Yeah, he well, the Frighteners is years before this as far as is 97. I always forget how deep into the 90s the Frighteners is because it feels so much like an early 2000s movie. It does. It does. It's kind of ahead of its time in that. See our previous episode on the Frighteners. But no, it's no, it's because he's got Parkinson's. He's doing the Parkinson's thing at that point.
00:55:42
Speaker
And so, yeah, basically Frighteners was kind of, well, Spin City was sort of the last thing. Exactly. Frighteners is his last movie for sure.
00:55:51
Speaker
Yeah, but yeah, but like Duchovny Reitman's like, well, this is a guy who could probably do comedy and he's got the leading man good looks. So and of course, Duchovny is kind of known at this time for a role that has him working with aliens. And so he's like, well, this is kind of keeps me in that zone, but lets me kind of distance myself from it and lets me play
00:56:13
Speaker
kind of comedic. Look, and he's perfectly cast, but the script is just shit. And that's really what it comes down to. Now, you know what comedy I fucking love to come to and he's not got a very big role, but it comes out the same year as this. It's fucking Zoolander. Yeah, dude, he's crazy. Your J.P. Pruitt.
00:56:34
Speaker
But why male models? I literally just told you. Look, Zoolander is a fantastic film. The sequel is on par with this movie. Bad. And that sucks because my boy Kyle Mooney's in that movie. Kyle Mooney being in movies. And come on now, you put him in Zoolander 2? Oh, I can't wait to do Brie's B-Bear on straight up. I can't wait.
00:56:59
Speaker
Anyway, talk some more about this movie, Steven, I have to pee. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. I don't know. The casting on this is kind of bizarre. You've got a couple of Mad TV alum. You've got Orlando Jones. You've got Pat Kilbane, who plays the main cop. Ty Burrell, AKA Phil Dunphy from Modern Family, in his very first ever movie role as Ted Levine's assistant.
00:57:25
Speaker
Ted Levine, of course, speaking of Hannibal, probably best known as Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs, also plays on the television show Monk, which we've mentioned as well. We talked Dan Aykroyd. You've also got
00:57:46
Speaker
As the two, Deacon Danny, the two kind of idiot college students, you've got Ethan Suplee, who I think at this point was mostly known from, as like the giant bully on Boy Meets World. And it's shocking to see him in this. Because if you've seen him anytime recently, this is the biggest he was. This movie, this movie and the butterfly effect. Well, he just, he looks so unhealthy.
00:58:15
Speaker
And then you see him now and it's like, oh, oh man. Whoo. Like boy got in shape and he looks great. He looks fantastic. I think he got that bariatric surgery.
00:58:26
Speaker
But he's kept in shape, is what I'm saying. He dropped a lot of weight. By the time he's in, my name is Earl. He's unrecognizable, which is 2005. It's just a few years out. Butterfly Effect is 2004. My name is Earl. Starts in 2005. So in between the filming of the Butterfly Effect
00:58:50
Speaker
My name is Earl. He drops a ton of it. Apparently he's in without a paddle, a movie I have never seen. Really? With Seth Green and Matthew Lillard. Matthew Lillard and Dak Sheppard. That was kind of a big deal. I don't know if it holds up, but at the time it was it was a really fun.
00:59:07
Speaker
kind of direct. It wasn't direct to video, but it felt like a direct to video, a really good direct to video comedy. It's what it felt like. It's got Burt Reynolds in it, I think, as DB Cooper. Am I remembering that correctly? It's silly fun is all it is.
00:59:22
Speaker
It's it's got future Homelander, Anthony Starr in it. Apparently also like, God, what a weird Scott ad sits in this movie. Good Lord. What a weird. And there was a sequel. So we don't get to talk about it, unfortunately, because Stephen, I think you would have a really good time with that movie. Maybe it's just so light. It's like a feather floating down. It's just chill. Like, you know, it's no stress involved.
00:59:51
Speaker
I don't know. It's a relaxing movie. It's funny. I mean, without a paddle, you can tell he is slimmed way down. I'm looking at a picture of that movie and Abraham Ben Ruby are like standing next to each other. And you can tell he's lost a ton of weight.
01:00:06
Speaker
Well, like even in mall rats, he wasn't as big as he is in this. It's just it's kind of shocking to see him like that. Right. You know, not not to not to say that that's bad or good. I'm not trying to body shame anybody. I'm just saying it's just like based on where you saw him before and where you saw him after that. It's just when you watch the movies from that that couple year period, it's just like, whoa. Wow. It's kind of you don't expect it. It's kind of shocking.
01:00:33
Speaker
Yeah, and then you get Michael Bauer, who I know as Donkey Lips from Salute Your Shorts. Mm hmm. But he's apparently also been in a ton of other things like. God, I'm looking through here, he was in an episode of Friends. He's in the uncredited role in the John Levits comedy high school. Hi, John Levits. John Levits to do it again.
01:01:01
Speaker
Uh, he's in the aforementioned dude. Where's my car? Dude, where's my car? Um, but I mean, yeah, like it's, it's just kind of fun to see those guys pop up in this thing. Um, and then, you know, Sarah Silverman shows up like a kind of before pre-fame Sarah Silverman, uh, Richard Moll, bull from night court is in this movie as well, which is great. He plays the.
01:01:29
Speaker
He plays the the fire guy who's like screaming at Sean Williams Scott. This is the same here. Dang it, I got distracted. Damn it, I had a whole thing. I remember what it was. It was I was I was thinking about Sarah Silverman. This is the same year that she was in the opening scene of The Way of the Gun, Stephen. Oh, that movie you like. The movie I love. Yes.
01:02:02
Speaker
And she has about she spends about as much time in that movie as she does in this one. Playing David Duchovny's ex in this movie. Mm hmm. Who is currently dating Pat Kilbane. A.K.A. Officer Johnson. Officer Johnson. Everybody loves Pat Kilbane, though. This is also the year that she's in a little movie I know you love called Run Ronnie Run. Or no, run run runs the next year, but yeah.
01:02:35
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, she's in the yeah. Yeah, yeah. Brian Posen is in that movie, too. They're in the same part of that movie. So is Patton Oswalt. Run, run, run, go see it. If you like Mr. Show, if you like David Cross, if you like Bobby Odenkirk, if you like comedy.
01:02:52
Speaker
Go see Run Running Run. I was going to say that makes sense because that's a movie they kind of all or that kind of group all kind of hung out together. So that makes it. It is literally a Mr. Show movie. So yeah. Makes sense. Makes sense. So I don't know. We've we've we're an hour into this episode. Should we talk about the plot of it at all? Look, my knee jerk reaction is to say no. Just because don't make me relive it.
01:03:22
Speaker
Well, OK, in that case, we're going to do what we did the last time we get a flip. I like that this is recurring, but only every once in a while. We're going to do it too much, Steven. We can't do it too much. No, only every once in a while. This is this is just, you know, and we don't tell. Don't tell Brett a light sprinkle in the sauce. Don't tell. So what we'll do, what we normally do is this. We do the plot in 60 seconds where we talk about the plot of the film we're watching in 60 seconds or less at the behest of the coin of justice, which is an actual coin.
01:03:51
Speaker
given to me by Tucker. It says justice on it. It's got Lady Justice on one side, a Gibraltar crest on the other. It's got some unicorns on that fucker. It's fantastic. It's one pound sterling, literal silver. It's currency somewhere. Gibraltar, I heard. Yeah, perhaps.
01:04:18
Speaker
I stuff with it. Yeah, absolutely. Not much, but probably something. Yeah, it's a bubble. So, yeah, we will flip that. We usually flip this coin and I flip Tucker calls and the coin decides which of us would recount the plot. Now, on the odd chance where Tucker feels like the plot does not need to be mentioned, that happened most recently on our Action Jackson episode. Go listen to that for different reasons, because I want you to go watch it.
01:04:47
Speaker
like there's so much fun stuff in that movie that I don't want to ruin it for I don't want to like like do anything to your expectations it said build them up I don't want to complicate that shit with this movie I just don't give a fuck and I want to I just don't ever want to talk about this movie again that's why we're here
01:05:06
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so that we don't have to do this again. So in these cases, we flip the coin of justice to see whether or not we will recount the plot of the movie. And if we do, if the coin decides that we should, as penance for suggesting it, Tucker is the one who has to recount the plot.
01:05:27
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That is that is the law here at the disenfranchised podcast. We have integrity. So we would never, never fib about the results of the coin of destiny just to just to not the case of destiny. It's the diet. D6 of D6 of destiny when all three of us are together.
01:05:47
Speaker
And then when when the coin of justice is on vacation, we have the Canadian quarter of indifference. Correct. Yeah, I still have it's right here. It's waiting for its time to come back and shine. Look, man, I found this in my last move. So yeah, I'm glad the coin of justice is back. Like it's been so long. I was so sad. It was like a year. It took a year vacation pretty much. Yeah. From when I moved to Chicago to when I moved to this place is pretty much. Yeah.
01:06:16
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All right. Integrity. What are we doing? Like, so if it if it is what I say, we don't do it. So if I win, if I win, we don't do it. If I lose, you do it. No, you do it. Fuck. OK. All right. That's your penance.
01:06:32
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Whoever suggests that we don't need to do the plot is the one who automatically recounts it in the event that the coin decides that we need to. Oh no, I live in a rural area, my power without, oh no. Don't worry, you can always record it in post. Bitch. All right, so Tucker go ahead and call it in the air. Go, call it tails. That's heads.
01:07:02
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Fuck a duck. Oh, gosh, fucking darn it. All right. So in accordance with the coin of justice and look, the coin of justice is the closest thing to law we have around here. So it's orders must be obeyed. We have we have tempted the coin of justice before and it never ends. What have I done? So I have 60 seconds. This might be the last time you suggest we not do the plot. No, no, no, no. It's worth it. It's worth it.
01:07:30
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So I've got 60 seconds on the clock. I will give you the 30 and 10 second warnings as I always do. And the time will start whenever you do. I'm not starting yet, so don't start the time. But I want to say I want to be I want to be transparent with our listeners. I will be kind of looking at the plot synopsis on Wikipedia while I say this, because I give so little of a fuck about this movie that I'm just trying, trying to forget it as fast as possible.
01:08:00
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And I don't think I'll ever watch this movie again. This was the nail in the coffin of this movie watching it this time. Nope. No, thanks. So unless I don't have another podcast where I have to watch this movie for some fucking reason, I'm not going to watch it again. So let's do it. Only time I'll watch this movie again is if I decide I need to watch all the Ivan Reitman movies. But yeah.
01:08:22
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Okay, I'm starting now. So, Sean Williams Scott, there's a media that crashes because he's like doing training for his firefighter thing. And it's a straight up alien. And David Duchovny or Orlando Jones, our teachers at the community college, and they straight up find out about it. And they're like, what? And it turns out it's replicating really fast. And they're like, what?
01:08:44
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And then they go down to the hole where the meteor is. And there's a bunch of stuff that actually should be really interesting, but somehow isn't. And everybody's like, what? And then, like, the government gets involved and they try to kick David Dukoffini and Orlando Jones off the case and Julianne Moore's there and she's really clumsy for no fucking reason. And, um, and then shampoo kills the aliens. So they get a bunch of head and shoulders.
01:09:10
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And they kill the aliens and then they become spokespeople ten seconds for. And and shelled. And that's time. I did it right in 60 seconds. Sure. Perfect. I did the thing. Um.
01:09:35
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Yeah, they they they hook they hook head and shoulders up to a fire hose and spray it up a alien's cloaca. It's fucking booty hole. I thought it was his booty hole. Yeah, that's what that's like the medical term, man. I don't know medical terms, man. I was in medical supply when I worked at the hospital, man. I don't know what a goddamn uvula is. It's a little little hangy ball at the back of your throat. I thought that was the vulva.
01:10:05
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No, that's the that's the lady part. Oh, but they look kind of similar, though, right? Moving on. What? The hell am I going to do with you? I don't know, man. I really don't know. I wish I would tell you if I do. I know you would. I don't know what I'm like. Fucking Jack White. I just don't know what to do with myself.
01:10:32
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So, I mean, this is again, I think the frustrating thing about this movie is the fact that it is so much less than the sum of its parts. It's ridiculous. Like we already talked about the cast. The cast is incredible. Like the creature effects are designed by Phil Tippett, like the Tippett studios and the designs, they look great. If they were practical effects, they look even better. But we're dealing with early 2000 CGI, which is notoriously bad.
01:11:02
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And I think that's the worst part about it is you see the designs and how they look in CGI and you're like, that would actually look pretty fucking badass if it were practical.
01:11:11
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the handful of scenes where they actually do have the practical models like when they actually when Sean William Scott is carrying in the creature from the lake on the golf course or the scene with the girl shoplifting in the mall and opens the door and that thing is like the dragon thing is right outside the door. Like all of those look
01:11:38
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Great, because those are practical models. It's so few and far between, though. Exactly. Five percent of the effects work in this movie. Any other time you see those models, it's CGI. Pretty. And it looks like ass, too. Doesn't look good. It doesn't look good. Like the designs themselves would be so interesting if they were rendered physically, if they were rendered as. And again, we're big practical effects, guys. It's kind of our thing.
01:12:05
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Um, but if they were rendered practically and done practically, I think they would look a lot better. Well, look, if I may say I'm not against CGI.
01:12:15
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I think CGI is fantastic. Have you seen the original Jurassic Park? Yes. Of course you have, but you know what I mean? That's still one of the best uses of CGI I've ever seen because they weave it in with the practical stuff so seamlessly that even though the CGI is not at the quality as something that you could produce now, something that you can produce now would probably... I think now CGI is almost too good
01:12:45
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Because it's too smooth. That's why I've always disliked about CGI is it's too smooth That's how you know, it's not lifelike because it doesn't move like something real right, you know But stuff like Jurassic Park and there's lots of other examples of CGI being used very well even when it's used for the majority of effects on a movie but you you can't fuck it up because if you fuck it up it looks like
01:13:10
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horrible it's not like a practical effect to where if you fuck it up at least it you can still see that it's there in camera and you're like well even though it looks kind of shitty like it's still kind of like what because it's a physical thing I can see right you know well and it's it's interesting to see like
01:13:27
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those sorts of effects starting to be used in the 80s and even being used well into the 90s. Like the two examples from the early 90s that I always think of are T2 Judgment Day with the T1000 and Jurassic Park, which you just invoked.
01:13:44
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Like because but I think the reason those look so good is because the filmmakers Understand the limits of the technology and are specifically tweaking their filmmaking style to make concessions for the limitations of the technology They know exactly what they can do with it and they don't try to do any more with it exactly exactly and that I think is why those work it's like it feels like
01:14:14
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the technology takes a huge step back when we get into some of that early on stuff like this. This does not feel half as good as the stuff that we saw in Jurassic Park or even T2. Because, again, Cameron and Spielberg know what they're doing. And so often, I think once the tool is there,
01:14:42
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the CG animation becomes kind of a shorthand for we can just do all this in post. Like we can make this really easy for you. We can just do this in post and it'll look it'll look fine when the reality of the situation is we're going to rush it in post and it's going to look like shit. Yeah. Every fucking time. Mm hmm. Even one of my even a movie that that most people don't like that I do like, I still will admit they do the same thing as Van Helsing. Yeah. Oh, and that.
01:15:13
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That's that movie has me torn because some of that CGI looks fantastic. Fantastic. But then there are other moments where you're like, what the fuck is this supposed to be? Exactly. You know, it's it's very much the 2013 carry of special of CGI.
01:15:29
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You're like half the movie you're like, this is great. And the other half you're like, what the fuck? The fuck did I just watch? Exactly. Yeah. 100%. See our previous episode on the 2013 Carrie. Yeah. That's really what it ended up turning into. Yeah. And our previous episode on Van Helsing with friend of the show, Hope Lickner. Like that's one.
Poor CGI in The Mummy Series
01:15:50
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Yeah. And I agree. Like you get so many examples of the, even
01:15:54
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Even the Mummy and the Mummy 2. Like the Mummy 2 is the big one. The Scorpion King at the end looks like shit. It's like one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life. But those movies get by on just how fucking good they are though. They're fun. The CGI's bad.
01:16:12
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And but I mean, some of it's decent, but most of it's bad. I was going to say, I really like the effect of like when Imhotep, the mummy is like kind of piecing himself together and you've got an Arnold Vosle performance, but you've got like these holes in like the side of his face and shit like that, I think looks great. First, the first with the CGI looks good.
01:16:33
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Yeah, they really put their time on it. I feel like they just were like, I guess they were trying to get it out in theaters quickly is what they were trying to do. That scorpion king, that that rubber, the rock, Dwayne, the rock Johnson that they made will haunt my nightmares forever. Yeah. The funny thing is like he gets fairly high billing in that movie and he's in it for maybe five minutes. No.
01:16:59
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Yeah. But then he got that. He got a whole other movie and then a sequel that he wasn't in. Yeah. Like that movie, that movie had a few sequels. He wasn't in. Yeah. There are five mummy movies. Six. Did you say there's more than one sequel to the Scorpion King? Yeah. Direct to video, I'm assuming. Oh, yeah. I think any other sequel to that. Now I've got to look this up. Here we are talking Scorpion King. Scorpion King is its own fucking franchise. I mean, it is. It's a spinoff franchise.
01:17:30
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Naturally, yeah. Scorpion King Two, Rise of the War, Rise of a Warrior and Scorpion King Three, Battle for Redemption. Scorpion King Four, Quest for Power. Wow. Like it gets it, it gets a whole franchise. Is that it? There's only if there's four, though. That's more than the main franchise. The fifth and final film, Scorpion King Book of Souls was released in 2018.
Franchise Connections & Missed Opportunities
01:18:00
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Who's still watching these? I don't know, man. But the first one comes out in like 2004. There's the rise of a warrior as a prequel. And then you get the sequel, which is three and then four. And then fourth one has Lou Ferrigno in it. Nice. And Michael Bean.
01:18:21
Speaker
And Rucker Howard. Wow. We're right. That's what we're doing. We're doing late 70s through the early 90s direct to video action stars. Is that what's happening? That's what's happening, man. Rucker Howard, he fucking kidding me. Fucking Rucker Howard, dude. Today, but I haven't heard well, because it's not the early 90s anymore. Correct, correct. And then in November of 2020, they announced that they're going to try to reboot the.
01:18:52
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reboot the Scorpion King. Not the Mummies, just the Scorpion Kings. Honestly, and I said this on our Van Helsing episode, I think a sequel to Van Helsing should have involved Rick and Edie from the Mummy movies. I'm way into that. I would watch the shit out of that. The right way to pull that to move that forward because Van Helsing's immortal. That's how you that's how you fuck around and make a cinematic universe.
01:19:16
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You don't do it on purpose. You do it by complete fucking accident. That's the only way to do it. Yeah. Yeah. And that's I remember saying that on our on our Van Helsing episode and I stand by it. I would watch that. That would have been the way to do it. Then we wouldn't have probably gotten that third terrible movie movie Tomb of the Dragon. Yeah. Well, Van Helsing needed to do better, I think, for that. Yeah. But and it did not do well. It didn't do well at all.
01:19:45
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Um, but we also get, um, so evolution, but yeah, the, the, the CGI effects in this are bad, but even like you said, the mummy was fun. It was good. The other aspects of it were good. And this movie is missing a cohesive script with jokes. It's like a, it's like actually are funny. Right. One of the jokes in this movie, Steven, just none of them land.
01:20:12
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One of the reviews on Letterboxx that I read from Branson Reese said, this is Ghostbusters with the comedy dial turned down to two and the sexual harassment dial turned up to 11. Hey, that's, you know what, somebody said it exactly what I was thinking somebody said it. That's wild. Yeah. Yeah, man. Like it is.
01:20:34
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Whereas mine was, oof, Men in Black meets Ghostbusters, but bad. Yeah, it's just, and here's the thing, like, the potential is here. I do wanna mention that Julianne Moore is the one who decided that her character needed to be clumsy. Yeah, she's trying to have fun with it. And I mean, she's- And I'm sure because that's literally something for her to play, because otherwise she's just the chick.
01:21:02
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I believe her prat falls like there's nothing wrong with her performance in this film. Right. There's just nothing. There's nothing on the page. There's nothing on the page for her. That's why she has to come up with fucking something like tripping over everything. Exactly. Because there's nothing on the page, Steven. I agree. Nothing to work with. That's what I was saying. Yeah. Well, you interrupted me to yell about it.
01:21:26
Speaker
No, we came together and said it as one. That's how this podcast works. Is it? Does that work? It does now. Okay. I tease. But no, I mean like, again, for all the things that I think work well here, there's 10 other things that don't.
Sequel Criticism & Box Office Performance
01:21:47
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And that's, that's like, there are some fun needle drops in here too. Like play that funky music, white boy. Like I fucking love that, that needle drop. That was fun. Borderline. Yeah, man. There's, there's some good shit in here, but there's 10 other things that are not good. So, and that's it. That's really what the problem is. It's not enough.
01:22:13
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So this was never going to get the sequel unless audiences loved it in spite of itself, which spoiler alert, they did not. Which they did their sequel bait in this movie is such direct video zombie sequel bait. It's so it's like the movie is just a shot of one of the monsters flying. You're like, oh, OK.
01:22:37
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Yeah, thanks. Thanks. Day of the Dead 2008. Thanks. That's that's literally the shot. I mean, that's literally Jurassic Park three, I think, where they're flying away and then there's the pterodactyls flying alongside them. No, it's well, maybe the pterodactyls were hinted at at the end of the second one, I believe.
01:22:59
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I just remember there's a scene where or no, it's the first movie where they're flying and he sees the birds and he kind of smiles like, OK. But I think there is in the Lost World at the end, there's kind of like a. A sequel bait sort of, oh, what if there were flying dinosaurs, too? I think I could be remembering that wrong. I do. I do. But I could be wrong. I really like the idea of the aviary and the third one. There's a lot of things in Jurassic Park three that
01:23:26
Speaker
I really want to work that just fucking don't. And it's unfortunate because Chris Columbus can be the shit. So why? That's not. That's Joe Johnson. Same guy. Damn it. Why do I? Every time I get them mixed up, do I? Not every time, every time, every fucking time. Oh, yeah, they. Yeah, the the Terradons, Toranodons, rather, are in the third movie. They watched the now afraid Toranodons fly alongside them as they leave the island.
01:23:54
Speaker
Yeah, it's like right at the end. Yeah. Oh, yeah, because they see it. They're like, oh, fuck. I just remember Sam Neill kind of like seeing that and smiling. That's the thing I remember. Yeah. Sam Neill, my man. My man. So this movie opens on June 8, 2001. It opens fourth.
01:24:15
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It opens to $13.4 million. Out of a production budget of 80, the domestic gross on this is 38.3, so nope.
01:24:28
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It does get another 60 internationally for a worldwide gross of $98.3 million with marketing factored in, not a substantial enough return to push forward a sequel. It is beat out by the number one movie at this time, probably because a bunch of horny men wanted to see Halle Berry naked. It's Swordfish.
01:24:59
Speaker
What if Hugh Jackman was a hacker and Halle Berry took her clothes off? That's what Swordfish is. That movie sucks. It does. It's really bad. And John Travolta for some reason. In second place, another Dreamworks movie. This is a Dreamworks movie, so it's number two. In its fourth week, Shrek has grossed $176 million on its way to win the first Academy Award for Best Animated Feature.
01:25:30
Speaker
You know, I think it's a generational thing and I think I just missed it because like, like Shrek's fine and everything, but I'll never understand the wild popularity of that series of films. I just don't get it. It's the irreverence to Disney, which is spearheaded by the fact that Jeffrey Katzenberg had a hard on for hating Michael Eisner.
01:25:51
Speaker
word. Who doesn't? True. In third place, you've got Pearl Harbor down from one the previous week. And in three weeks, it's gross $144 million. That movie made its budget back.
01:26:08
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Uh, in fourth place, we've got evolution, the movie we've been talking about. And in fifth place we have, is this the movie? I think it is. I think, yes. The Rob Schneider movie, the animal. What if Rob Schneider is the animal? Rob Schneider is an animal. Rob Schneider. Yo, like I'm not a big fan of Rob Schneider.
01:26:37
Speaker
No, Nora and his politics make him an even worse person to be a fan of these days. But when he was doing those, when he had his run there in the late 90s, early 2000s,
01:26:50
Speaker
He was doing some funny stuff. None of those movies are good. But there's some there's really funny stuff going on in some of those movies. He's that was the deuce Bigelow not hold up. I cannot imagine any of that holds up. Deuce Bigelow. He's the animal. He's the hot chick. Like there was. And that's the South Park joke is there's like this whole run of movies where it's Rob Schneider is. Something that he's not like another thing. Yeah.
01:27:18
Speaker
Like the animal and the hot chick come out in 2001 and 2002. I think I like Deuce Bigelow because Eddie Griffin's in it. I just, you know, I can't help it, man. I just love it. I love the guy. Undercover brother. Like, come on.
01:27:33
Speaker
So you get Deuce Bigelow in 99, Little Nicky in 2000, where he plays basically the same character he plays in The Waterboy. The Animal in 2001, he is in a couple of other Sandler movies. 2002, it's The Hot Chick.
01:27:53
Speaker
He's actually really good in Beverly Hillbillies, but it's because he's playing a swarmy scumbag. Mm hmm. That's and that's I'm looking at lead roles here for him. Yeah. Deuce Bigelow European gigolo in 2005. I saw that movie theater because I got free tickets from the radio station, man. The bench warmers in 2006.
01:28:17
Speaker
He's not an ensemble, though. You had like David Spade. John that was just like, yeah, he's one of the three leads in that, though. OK, yeah. But yeah, I mean, basically anything he does apart from Sandler, not good. No. And I would argue he's not great in some of the Sandler stuff, but he's like Sandler. He's one of Sandler's buddies. Yeah, big heart, that guy, Sandler.
01:28:46
Speaker
Keep that guy around. Big heart. It looks like he's in a straight from New Hampshire. Straight to video knockoff of Bruce Almighty called The Chosen One. Oh, you know, he was in Judge Dredd with Schwarzenegger. It's actually a kind of I kind of liked him in that movie because he was annoying as fuck, but like it served the film. You know what I mean?
01:29:12
Speaker
That's sliced alone, not Arnie, is in Judge Shred. But yeah, rounding out the top 10, you've got in sixth place Moulin Rouge, in seventh place what's the worst that could happen, in eighth place the aforementioned The Mummy Returns, in ninth place a Knight's Tale, and in tenth place Bridget Jones's Diary.
01:29:36
Speaker
The tomatometer score on evolution is a 44%. Critics consensus director Ivan Reitman tries to remake Ghostbusters, but his efforts are largely unsuccessful because the movie tries is a strong word. comedic misfires. Yeah, the word tries is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
01:29:55
Speaker
The Metacritic score is 40, which is based on mixed or average reviews from 32 critics. And the Letterbox score, you want to take a guess at it, Tucker?
01:30:10
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I can't. I looked at it. Oh, you did? Yes, I looked at it. Yeah. It's as soon as I did that, I was like, fuck, I'm not going to be able to guess. It's a two point eight is the is the letterbox score as of right now. Tucker out of five stars. How are you rating 2001's evolution? It's a one and a half. You know, it hurts. It hurts to watch it.
01:30:38
Speaker
There are a few things where it's like, oh, that's not bad. That's kind of clever. But 90% of the movie, it is painful. I do. I do not want. I'm being repelled by this film for most of its runtime. Yeah. And not so much because of what it is, but because of what it isn't. That's what repels me. Yeah. You see all this in front of you and you're like, yeah, this should work. Doesn't work.
01:31:06
Speaker
No, I'm right there with you. It doesn't work. It's it is. The epitome of wasted potential, the scavenge. Yeah, it's just it's just not as good as it should be. And that's the real tragedy of it. So, yeah, agreed. Not only is it bad, but it's disappointing. We're not angry at you, film. We're just disappointed, disappointed. Right. And that's look, Tucker, we did it. We don't ever have to talk to you ever again.
01:31:35
Speaker
Oh, I can't wait. I'm going on vacation tomorrow. It's the perfect. It's perfect. There
Podcast Social Media & Upcoming Plans
01:31:39
Speaker
you go. Now you can go on vacation with a clean conscience. In 12 hours, I will be leaving the bright. New Hampshire. Get get some rest, dude. Yeah, dude. I hate my hotel. I got the ocean view room.
01:31:52
Speaker
The hotel I'm at. So like your boy is going to just be chilling, like looking out the ocean and shit. We'll check out some lighthouse. This is this is I'm going to check out the cryptozoology museum because that ought to be good for a laugh. That's something. Yeah. Yeah.
01:32:08
Speaker
Can't wait, man. I'm going to be texting the group chat about it because y'all my boys and like I'm sure that shit with you. Hell yeah. So, yeah, there there you go. That is our episode on evolution. I should mention there was a a animated show called Alienators that was loosely based on this movie.
01:32:34
Speaker
Oh, so you're saying like it was an evolution cartoon show until evolution didn't do so well. So they retooled a little bit so that it wasn't a direct reference to that movie. I think they just canceled the show. It was called Alienators Colon Evolution Continues. And I think it's got basically the Orlando Bloom and David Duchovny characters. I think, oh, and Wayne, who's they renamed him to Wayne Green.
01:33:03
Speaker
Because he needs a last name, apparently. I guess, yeah. Apparently, Allison's in it as well. Allison Reed, OK. But then they add a character called Lieutenant Lucy Mai. Yeah, I don't know. They have a robot called Gassy or a pet called Gassy, genetic altered, genetically altered, symbiotic status, stasis and evolution.
01:33:28
Speaker
Um, probably there's farting involved. It's basically the slimmer of the TV show. Um, when, when Gassie detects the genus, he quivers and emits a foul odor. So yeah, there you go. Got it. Uh, Deak and Derek are also, or Deak, but Danny's the name of the other guy. So one of the two, you know, dumb fat guys is in it too. Well, Steven, I wish I could say that this is interesting. Yeah.
01:33:57
Speaker
Anyway, I really do. Hey, it's not your fault, Steven. It's not your fault. It's the material, man. Like, fuck, what are we going to do with it? But no, I mean, that's that's a clear image that they're really trying to launch a franchise off this because they're really like trying to get like the kids cartoon off the ground. Yeah, we're going to make this into the next Ghostbusters. There was going to be there were going to be action figures, I'm sure. So many like.
01:34:23
Speaker
In the same vein as Ghostbusters, you'd have the main characters in various different costumes and stuff and then like a thousand different rando like aliens. Right. And honestly, though, when I was a kid, I preferred buying the ghosts because there was some really creative ones like the trash guy that put it over his head and then he was a ghost and like and
01:34:46
Speaker
Some of them you'd like to open up their face. And there was a there's just some really, really creative stuff in those old Ghostbusters ghost figures. Lots of fun stuff. Look to see how many of those they're going to. How many of the toys they're going to convert into characters in the upcoming movie? Well, it's pretty much what they did with the last one.
Ghostbusters Expectations & Nostalgia
01:35:05
Speaker
Yeah, you and you and I are less excited about the new Ghostbusters movie as our co-host, Brett Wright is. The only difference is, is I love Ghostbusters as much as Brett does.
01:35:19
Speaker
I, you know, I hope, I hope the new movies, I hope, I hope I'm surprised by the new movie. I hope it's the shit. I hope it's like the best thing ever. I really do, but I don't think it's going to be nor I. But yeah, we'll see. I might go see it. I might go see it's a movie theater. I might actually. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. I'm not going to do that to myself, but yeah.
01:35:42
Speaker
Anyway, this has been the disenfranchised podcast. We did it, guys. We did it. This has been the disenfranchised podcast. You can find us on just about any form of social media. We'll know. Most of them, look, we're on Blue Sky.
01:35:57
Speaker
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01:36:25
Speaker
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01:36:55
Speaker
Right on. There you go. So, yeah, there you are. And I'm going on vacation, motherfuckers. That's the only reason. Shoot us an email. This in French pot at Gmail dot com. Let us know if there's a failed franchise starter that you would like to see us cover. And again, failed franchise starter. We mean a movie that did not have sequels, but left the door open for them. We can if you can make an argument, we are usually pretty
01:37:21
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pretty amenable, but if it's a movie that has sequels, no. Yeah, that's really the only thing, like you can make an argument for pretty much anything. As long as it didn't get a sequel. As long as it doesn't have sequels, we'll figure it out, yeah.
01:37:35
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But yeah, that's the way you can find us. $5 for the pay tier on our Patreon. Anyway, I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy. You can find me on Instagram, Letterboxd, and Belusguy at Chewie Walrus. You can also find our resident Ghostbusters fanboy, Brett Wright.
01:37:59
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on Blue Sky Letterboxd and Instagram at sus underscore warlock. I think it's just sus warlock on Blue Sky. Tucker, where can we find you these days? Well, as always, you can find me on YouTube and Instagram at ice 909. That's I-C-E-N-I-N-E, the number zero on the number nine. Something to mention, speaking of my YouTube, I did drop two new songs on my YouTube. I saw that. They're not new songs.
01:38:29
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But they're just old songs that I could not find. And I found them. These are songs from 2010 that I recorded in a garage in Barkersville with the Slomo sexuals, which is a band that the project that I led at that time. And there are. I basically I was looking for them because I want to remake one of those songs. And I was looking for it and I found the other song with it.
01:38:56
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Um, on SoundCloud, I didn't even know I had a SoundCloud, but apparently I had a SoundCloud at one point. Uh, but yeah, like here's the unearthing. There's so many songs, Steven, that I've recorded that were just lost to my space. Uh, or there's probably at least an album's worth of material, whether it was good enough to be on an album or not. That's, that's a different story. Uh, at least an album's worth of material between like 2004.
01:39:24
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and 2008 that either only resided on Myspace, which Myspace deleted without telling me lol, or on a server that my friend used to have that I haven't talked to in several years. And every time that I message him on Instagram about it, about every two years, I message him on social media about it and I never hear anything back, so.
01:39:49
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You got to check the Internet Archive while it's still up to find. Well, I don't know where. Oh, from the Myspace stuff. The Myspace. Yeah, Internet Archive is still up. Yeah. Way back machine. All that stuff is still up. Yeah, absolutely. Check, check out for to see if they've saved any pages from when some of that Myspace stuff might be. I hadn't thought of that because a lot of that, the stuff that's embedded, which the music player was embedded, a lot of embedded stuff doesn't really work because those fires files.
01:40:13
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are in a separate place on the server. But it's I'm not going to say it's impossible, just improbable, but it makes me want to look for it. That's how I was able to save some pieces of my writing that were only on my Zenga. And I went to the way back machine and I was able to pull because Zenga like deleted. And I thought all those were lost forever. And then I found a few pieces and was able to kind of clean a couple of them up. I'd really love to get
01:40:38
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Uh, some of that stuff, because 90% of it is shit, but there's a few gems in there. There was, uh, there was a cover of, um, uh, what's that fucking, uh, Beatles song from Sergeant Pepper, not she's leaving home, but the other, the other sad one. Um, cause there's only two sad songs on that record. She's leaving home and.
01:41:04
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Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. It's on Revolver, not Sergeant Pepper. And in her eyes, you see nothing. No sign of love behind the tears. No, for no one. It's called for no one. Sorry. I'm sorry. That took me like I had to do that out loud, but sometimes I have to do that out loud. I did a cover for no one. The album right now. That was very it's on Revolver, by the way. Yeah, no, I got it. I don't know why it's Sergeant Pepper, but
01:41:33
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So for no one, I did a cover of that and it was all like very ambient and it fit the song so well. And I just really wish I could find a copy of that. But I only had it on that guy's server and on my space. It never went on like an album proper. Anything that I released as like a full album, I have like a physical copy of. Because especially back then, you know, you make CDs. Give them to people. Right. Yeah, absolutely.
01:42:04
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Yeah. So anyway. Yeah. So there's two new songs. Leave back again and backhand from the sort of the mid era of slo-mo sexuals. There was the Tucker, the band area era, and there was the the Bartersville era. And then there was like the like Jasper, Huntingburg era. And this was the middle Bartersville era of slo-mo sexuals. Yeah.
01:42:34
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Dude, I come up with the best band names. I got to tell you, like, if nothing else, even if they suck, even if the band suck, boy, you were a band name. Just holler at your boy. I got a list of them a mile long, and they're all as good as slo-mo sexuals.
Final Remarks & Episode Conclusion
01:42:48
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They're all as good as Dismanalopes, even though Jimmy came up with Dismanalopes. I will concede that. But that does sound like something I would come up with. It sure does. Anyway, also tuck mugs. We've got some stuff going on. I've got a post locked and loaded that we're just
01:43:04
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waiting on Steven to post it, which no rush. As always, no rush. I've got to pull the trigger on that. Look, surprisingly, I've been working this week. Yeah, hey, that's cool. That's cool, man. I'm glad. I'm really, really glad.
01:43:21
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that you've been busy and stuff. But yeah, and plus we've had a lot of posts anyway. It's been a pretty post heavy couple of weeks on top. I was going to say the day after I posted the previous one, you're like, here's the next one. I'm like, well, and that's why I was like, wait until like Sunday or something, because like the thing was is that Tuggles one spoilers has been marinating since Christmas break. Right. That's I figured that I finally I finally found the time and put
01:43:46
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forth the effort to write like a little tiny paragraph, which I could have done at any time would have been easy as fuck. Oh, yeah. But I finally did it. And you know what's great about that? That means that my inbox, Stephen, look at this. Look at this. Wait. Wait. Oh, fuck, I can't. This is this is riveting podcasting, isn't it? It's lovely. I love it. It's great. I forgot there was something I couldn't. I just don't even want to do this anymore.
01:44:16
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I don't know why I even brought this up. What is wrong with me, Steven? What I was trying to say is look at that.
01:44:25
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inbox clear. Oh, look at you. Wow. That was a lot of effort for a visual gag that is not going to play. It doesn't even have to be visual. People know what a clear inbox is. Like, look, there are some people. Why didn't you just say that instead of having to pull it up? Because I wanted to prove it to you. And then I forgot I hadn't checked my inbox for a while and there's a bunch of shit on there that I needed to take care of, but in various places. Look, when it comes to email, when it comes to messages,
01:44:53
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Get get get away from me. Don't show me your phone. If you've got like a thousand unread emails or 50 unread messages, I don't want to say it's just going to give me anxiety. Right. Like so like to have that Tuggles email in my inbox, because if I put it any in any other folder, we'd forgotten about it. The only reason I got it done three months later is because I looked at it every day for three months. I was like, guess I better do that.
01:45:18
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But now it's gone. I did the post. It's fucking gone. Inbox, clear. Anyway, tuckbugs, that's tuck underscore mugs at Instagram. I think that's all the social media. I've been kind of cruising Reddit a little bit lately, but that's anonymous, so fuck off. Don't even try to guess my handle on that.
01:45:37
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All right, so why even bring it up again? This has been the evolution episode of the disenfranchised podcast. I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy from my co-host Tucker and the absent Brett Wright. Until next time, Buston makes me feel good, but evolution makes me feel bad.
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