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OPE Season 3 Episode 17 Packers Pluck Cardinals
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! On this episode we break down the good, bad and ugly of the Green Bay Packers victory over the Arizona Cardinals.
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Intro
Packers Performance Overview
00:00:31
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ohana Packers Edition podcast, the podcast where I have come out from the basement to record this episode. And the Packers are two steps above 500 for the first time on the season. Well, hold that thought for a second. But Joe, the Packers are four and two getting back into standing with the NFC North leaders. Unfortunately, we're not getting any help from the rest of the league, but It feels good to have two wins in a row.
00:01:04
Speaker
For sure. Uh, Mike's dealing with a cranky daughter. but yeah, for sure. It's great to have a win streak going on.
Defense Strategies and Execution
00:01:14
Speaker
The, the team is really playing a complete game or played a complete game today. That was great to see. And, uh,
00:01:26
Speaker
So it's, it's good to build off of this defense did what we had hoped they would do. They, they contain Kyler, the offense while it had its hiccups once in a while did play above and beyond.
Player Challenges and Contributions
00:01:44
Speaker
Uh, so Jordan's looking more comfortable out there. I mentioned this on the Ramage show that I think the.
00:01:55
Speaker
He's still having an issues getting used to the knee brace. And that's just more when he rolls out or if he, he, rolls or if he runs and that so, but passing the ball, he looks good. Handing the ball off. He looks good running backs. Yeah. They're not getting, you know, a hundred yard games, but you know, between Jacobs, Wilson, Melton, Brooks.
00:02:24
Speaker
a little bit from love and even yes, two yards from Tucker crap. You know, they, they put up almost 200 together. Jordan through for two 58, one interception, but it it was one of those interceptions that it was neither his or Bo's fault for it. It was, you know, the weather wasn't the greatest to start the game led to a wet field, slick field.
00:02:53
Speaker
And Bo just couldn't hang on to it. Or I mean, couldn't hang on to his footing to make the play on it. And the DB made, you know, the play he had to make. I think, which one was it? Sean Murphy Bunting, who would later go go on and be benched throughout the game because that more towards the end of the game, just because he couldn't hang. hang So he was just in the right place at the right time, but Yeah, overall, I'm feeling pretty good about this game.
00:03:26
Speaker
You're muted, Mike. but Not much to complain about in this one. Honestly, you had that little hiccup at the end of the first half where you you talked about the interception, but the drive before it. you know Arizona scores their only touchdown of the game, and it was heavily aided by two like Boneheaded penalties though the gyre one it falls in that category of okay. What really happened because there was no replay No commentary from moose Johnston again about it and it kind of was like oh that happened Then it moved on but other than that defense really stifled the car the Cardinals force three fumbles and legitimately force those the last one I guess was kind of on like a botched handoff, but
Key Plays and Player Highlights
00:04:10
Speaker
just good complementary football today and like you said it was just a relatively complete team win today and can't complain too much about anything you saw but uh excuse me we'll start with our new format again so what was your good or what were some of your good things you saw today joe
00:04:32
Speaker
I'm going to say my number one good thing. And while the stats aren't completely there, he still made plays, you know, Romeo Dobbs, three catches, four target or yeah three catches four targets, 49 yards, two touchdowns. And he really was. You didn't, you wouldn't have thought he would have missed last week or missed any practice. He, he, uh,
00:04:57
Speaker
He didn't miss a step. He was, he was reading or him and love were jelling. Well, so much so that on the one touchdown pass, Jordan just like threw it up there and was like, okay, well, Romeo get it. Romeo get it. You know, kind of like the fucking reads down there somewhere. It was fucking dobs down there somewhere. So, you know, but.
00:05:22
Speaker
My number one good is seeing that he came back. He's reestablishing himself in the locker room. The way they celebrated after his touchdowns shows me that the team is still behind him. So while it was an issue throughout last week, I think the issue is for the most part behind us right now. So yeah, Dobbs is a good. Uh, my other good would probably have to be Evan Williams. He looked like he was, uh, you know, he,
00:05:52
Speaker
is building on his successes. He obviously caused one of the fumbles and it was the one, and and it was a way that Mike and I have been talking about for a long time, just throwing that haymaker out there and punching the damn ball out of the the receivers. are And in evan Evan's defense, as we've discussed, he hit the but he was right on target on the ball. well So yeah. yeah Right. pet Uh, but other than that, that I mean, you can say the whole team was, ah ah is a good, because there's not much there that you can, you can, uh, there's not much you can pick apart. And I know there's going to be people who are going to try picking it apart, but really there's not much there to pick apart.
00:06:40
Speaker
mute but honestly the low-hanging fruit is the whole game is a good because yeah like conditions weren't ideal you know field kind of the field conditions really only affected green bay massively on beloved interception other than that it wasn't too big of a deal You can tell on defense, our zone defenders were playing it a little safe because, know, not wanting to misstep and fall down in coverage kind of things and stuff like that. But otherwise, pretty clean game played. For me, my good, my best good is going to be kind of something you were talking about, and it's with love. All four of his touchdowns
00:07:16
Speaker
there were four different kind of plays where like the first throw to read the touchdown to read was just an absolute dot it needed to be because i thought he threw it a little late on that one but he put it high end outside the only place read could get to it and nowhere near where chris barnes could get a hand on it The second one to Dobbs, he just gunned that thing in there to give Dobbs a chance to jump across the goal line after making the catch. so The Watson touchdown, it like if I'm going total nitpicky, I wish he would have pushed it like one more yard up the field, but read the coverage, the single high safety correctly, and used the wide side of the field, the clear side of the field, to let to just put it out there and let Watson run under it.
00:08:03
Speaker
Watson, you know, he has to like kind of break stride a little bit because the throw, like I said, it's like a a minus throw, not an A or an A plus throw, but it's it's up there because he let he put it in a spot where Watson can one run under it and to keep his feet enough that he can go and get in the end zone. And then the fourth one is Understanding the situation, reading the zero blitz, you know, he's the one he sends Dobbs across the formation before the snap and he knows he's got one on one. And yes, it's a chuck in a duck and it's a, or a huck in a duck, however you want to label it. And it, and I do liken it to the interception he threw when he was trying to hit Wicks down the field against the Vikings. But this one, he gets the ball outside enough where.
00:08:46
Speaker
corner can't find it and Dobbs has his eyes locked on it and makes a back shoulder catch for it. And then my other good is on defense.
00:08:57
Speaker
You just honestly played a style of play that really took the Cardinals offense out of rhythm for the most part. And you kind of hinted at it. They did limit Kyler for you know for all the things that really matter. He didn't have too many like plays where he just broke your defense by running around like a little Tasmanian devil and throwing it all over the yard. And in doing so,
00:09:20
Speaker
Unlike week one and two against Hertz and Richardson, you did not let the Cardinals running backs go off for a big games. I know that Dimarcato had some decent runs towards the late part of the game, but there is a point where Benson and Connor had combined and they ended up combining for 12 carries for 50 yards. So that's like 4.1, which is a totally acceptable total and average. And that's including Benson's 20 yard long. So if you take that run out, that average really goes in the shitter after that.
00:10:00
Speaker
and and all right everyone touch screens with your kid around is not a good idea but and then Dimercato's his act you know he had four for 25 but that was all when the game was out of out of hand at that point you know he was he was running into soft boxes when Green Bay was like whatever you can run and kill the clock yourself so It was just nice to see them not let a running back go off for like unnecessary yardage when they were trying to keep a quarterback in the pocket. So I really liked that part. It was a much more assignment sure game from the defense on that side of things.
00:10:37
Speaker
For sure. And I mean, just by limiting Kyler to seven carries for 14 yards, they did a hell of a job. the And this could be considered a bad And I know a lot of people are going to consider it a bad, there were no sacks in the game and, but they were still getting pressured. So while it's a, it was a bad on the numbers weren't there. It's a good that you could actually see them getting pressure on. yeah I also was right in my prediction where I said.
00:11:13
Speaker
If you're worried about Kyler's legs, make him stay in the pocket and beat you. And he stayed in the pocket and he couldn't beat us. So, you know, that, that goes for.
00:11:23
Speaker
You got to give Halfly credit for yeah putting a hell of a game. Yeah. they were What was impressive about the pass rush is they were obviously containing the pocket. they were They were getting pressure. And that was with Arizona trying to get rid of the ball in under two seconds. So you can't complain about that too much. And yeah, like like you said, it's It's not all the way in the good, but it's a promising sign kind of thing. And it definitely doesn't go in either of the other two categories. But it's not the pass rush's fault that there are no sacks on the docket today. That is a function of the Cardinals game strategy and what the group the Packers were trying to accomplish on defense. So I'm totally fine with the outcome from that standpoint. it It was a good game plan, and they just executed well.
00:12:13
Speaker
Sure. And, you know, there's not much I get more I can add to it. It just, I'm glad to see Jordan again was hitting multiple targets instead of just focusing in on one or two guys, you know,
00:12:27
Speaker
Target-wise, Watson had four, Dobbs had four, Sims had two, Reed had six, Jacob's three, Wilson two, Tucker four, Wix three, Melton two, and even even supposedly target Andrew Beck, but that must have been towards the end of the game. That was on that one that one empty blitz. They were definitely trying to throw a tunnel screen to Beck at one point. So yeah that's when everyone was like, oh, Laplure is just fucking around with everyone at this point.
00:12:54
Speaker
but Yeah, and that was the other part of it too. It was a good game plan. As much as I wanted and thought they should lean on the run game today, they got enough out of it. Kind of an inefficient day for Jacobs. I thought he tried to bounce a couple runs he shouldn't have, but still was a good solid day at the office from him. Wilson was really strong, especially down the stretch, closing the game out. And Brooks got a couple good hacks added on the final drive. so can't complain too much. And even love was averaging like five yards a carry until the two kneel downs at the end of the game. So i' I'll go into my last thought of Tucker's one carry later in the game. It was something that borderline unfugly if anything bad happened. But that was a good in just seeing that they it's like in the playbook. And unlike the Bears last year when they tried it, we can actually execute the fucking put your tight end under center and speak the ball with him. So that's a good, but you you just, this is one of those games where like we said, going into the preview, this is one of those, you've got to win it, but you also like, they they didn't just win the game. They did it in relatively dominating fashion. So live with that every time and you're happy to see it against what we said should have been an outmatched opponent.
00:14:15
Speaker
So yeah. Well, I step away for a second. Yeah, she agrees. Well, I step away for a sec. You're bad.
00:14:21
Speaker
Like I said, bad is really hard to do with this game because there's just there's not much you can nip. but I mean, what you're going to pick apart is going to be nitpicking Quaid Walker. Yeah, you can nitpick a little bit on on some of his stuff.
00:14:40
Speaker
like Xavier, you can nitpick a little bit on the touchdown play. The Melton falling, you can nitpick a little bit, causing the interception. Jair, you can nitpick a little bit. Again, you can nitpick a little bit with the the no sacks, even though they had pressures. it just There's not a lot that you can put on bad with this.
00:15:09
Speaker
Uh, I'm trying to go through just to think in my mind. I mean, there is an obvious bad, but it's a more ugly than a bad. So I'm not going to use it on this one. Uh, I'll use it as mine. Just, yeah yeah, I'll use it as mine and you can put it in your ugly, but yeah. and Well, I mean, it's an obvious one. So, you know, that's low hanging fruit. I guess.
00:15:39
Speaker
uh god i'm trying to go through it real quick because even on the injury front like i i guess the bad you could point there is meyers got dinged up but he did come back in the game and but the good that came out of that is morgan was ready enough that they were able to you know they they flipped ryan over to left guard pushed jenkins inside to center and put morgan in at right guard And the offense was moving the ball that drive, it led to Narmuson's last field goal make. you like you know that's that's really good to see that Morgan, who's coming off of what, like two or three games in a row that he missed with the shoulder injury, that he was good enough to go, that know he was ready to go where he could come and make the impact that you wanted him to as an injury substitution. And then Myers comes back in on that field goal to you know help with the protection, so it shows that he was good enough to go.
00:16:30
Speaker
yeah I guess the bad is Wix. And after the game, Wix even said like, oh, it's kind of the one he dealt with last year, but he knows how to deal with it. And it's a pain tolerance thing and stuff. it It locked up when it first happened, but then he said it did loosen up as the game went on. So bad in the sense that it's like you don't want to be down a weapon at this point in the season, but sounds like it's less I think I got one for a bad and I'm going to this could be also cause it could also be a ugly but the penalties on both sides 13 for the Cardinals and five for the Packers.
Penalties and Game Flow
00:17:08
Speaker
That was just ugly. I mean, it's good to see that Jordan was able to draw the defense off sides. But that was just a horrible hanky fest. Yeah. Well, and and
00:17:22
Speaker
In the ref's defense on that one, there were a lot more penalties that actually could have been called at Arizona. But like on their touchdown, Preston got absolutely yanked on the play. But its it is what it is. And of those 13, seven of them were obvious pre-snap penalty. The Cardinals had like three on the opening drive of the game.
00:17:47
Speaker
and then Yeah, and it's good to see Green Bay's decrease after it's been such an undisciplined start to the season for them. You know, five still isn't great, but it's not approaching double digits like we've seen them do much of the season so far to this point. So yeah, bad, but at least for Green Bay trending in the right direction. And honestly,
00:18:12
Speaker
you kind of heard like moose and kugler sort of like relent on the whole like this is the least penalized team in the Cardinals over the season but but when you like all the pre-snap ones like i think they were befuddled early on because they're like that's not how you leave the league in fewest penalties and all that kind of stuff but then like the the defensive holding once it was like this oh nope he was holding him oh nope he was holding him again kind of thing and stuff like the the two on One was definitely on Murphy Bunting, but I can't remember if the one before it was, but the the Cardinals had two defensive holdings in the same drive right before the armput touched down to Dobbs. And it's funny because the first one, you hear Moose and they're like, oh, like, is it? Is it? And then you're like, and then they're like, yep.
00:19:01
Speaker
that's that's defensive holding can't do that and then the second one you know moose relented to the yeah you just can't be caught doing that that's definitely defensive holding and it it kind of goes into the whole like are they actually that clean or did they just play with the right referee crews in the previous weeks where it's like Or circling back to a good for Green Bay is that this receiver core is good enough to take a team that hadn't been penalized a lot and expose the kind of high penalty rate they should be called for. I kind of think so. it's it's It's a lot of numbers, but at the same time, I feel like Green Bay forced most of those penalties on Cardinals. Then they were just like, I've got to get my five seconds of fame by the the refs and stuff. So yeah.
00:19:48
Speaker
Well, I know the one moose and the other guy were harping on more was that horse collar. It's like, guys, yeah even though they didn't take him down, that's a horse collar. And I tweeted about that. I did say, like, I get why moose is like, oh, because the quote unquote spirit of the rule is like on a tackle tackle. But the letter of the law is that hand inside and jerking motion and And I do think Moose kind of let it go because Reed was injured after the play. I know it was more on when the fumble got forced, but I think Moose kind of let it go because he's like, Oh, like he might've gotten dinged up there. So yeah, we're all hitting our, but,
00:20:36
Speaker
but as the little one is hinting at, let's just go into ugly. There aren't many, but let's go into ugly. You're ugly. I know where you're going with this one. Well, it's the obvious one.
Narveson's Performance Concerns
00:20:49
Speaker
Narveson had another miss and it's getting to the point where you can't excuse it anymore. Cause it wasn't, the miss was exactly the same way it has been all year. Wide right. What? And he did it.
00:21:05
Speaker
Similar to the way Joseph missed in the preseason. He was on the left half smart and he missed it wide, right? so there was one thing I did notice a little bit more and While it's still mostly on nervous and for it I did notice Whelan was having a little bit trouble with the the snaps because You want to catch him out from you a little bit. He was catching them basically right in his chest. Now, I don't know if that's what Whelan's telling the long snapper to do or what, but normally when you're- History says.
00:21:47
Speaker
yeah yeah Right. History says it's not on dandy.
00:21:52
Speaker
Right and you know the way they teach you catch it away from you So it's right there and you don't have to make any Extensive motions to it, but he was like catching him right in his chest and having to move him out to place the ball Then I got to look and I'm not a kicker by no means and I don't know much about you know about technique and all that and But man, the technique nervous and has when he kicks, it looks like he's like folding himself up to make the kick like he's. It just. and That's something I wish somebody would go back and view is his technique for kicking because. He just looks super weird doing his kicks. I don't again, I don't know if that's because he's having to because of the weather.
00:22:45
Speaker
or what and it's not great either way because you know moose and kugler they spent the whole game talking about how he was struggling going in that direction that he ended up missing the kick-in and so obviously it's one of those like uh like okay there were issues but also Perron tweeted about this after the game. He's like, this is not the worst weather you're going to see in Green Bay. like So you that can't be an excuse. like You've got to figure that out. And yeah, I don't know if.
00:23:21
Speaker
And that's the thing is like I so I did see what you're talking about where like, he's where wheeling is catching the ball in his chest and I don't put that on wheeling I put that on the other guy. but I also did wonder if well, don't get me wrong. I'm wheeling for it either. I'm just saying I don't know if that because you know, just as well as I do, everybody has their own preference on how they do things. So is that a prep? I'd have to go back and look throughout the rest of the games and see if that's something Whelan right prefers is to catch him here or you know that's why I don't know the other thing I did notice on that one so the PAT right before that miss field goal is one where they the the
00:24:05
Speaker
The Cardinals, this is why it's bad that I'm upstairs and I can see my TV and it's the NBC pregame show. The Cardinals, they got pressure in on the, so like from the Packers point of view, they got pressure in on the left side. And when Fox showed the replay of the kick, I was like, oh, did Whelan have trouble with the snap on that one? No, he got it down and the ball was down with plenty of time. I was like,
00:24:29
Speaker
you Kind of wonder if that pressure off the left off the left side on the previous kick got in Narvison's head and he's like, I might have to push it a little more right because that thing just took off right and it kept fading.
00:24:44
Speaker
It's to the point where if I, and like I said, I've never been able to kick in a football. I'm not a special teams coach, but if I'm Misachia, I'd honestly tell the harvest and fuck it. Just kick it straight. If it gets blocked because pressure gets in, we'll deal with that. That's not your fault. But I need you to kick that thing straight. Not, not like straight, like a dead eye straight arrow, but like,
00:25:09
Speaker
You know, I don't want you trying to dodge. don't want you to try and dodge brushes or things like that. I want you to just kick it how you feel you need to kick it to get it as close to dead, you know, center mass as possible kind of thing. So.
00:25:22
Speaker
that does get into your mind a little bit when you're watching it on replay, but at the same time, it's like, like you said, the ugly part of it is where you're going. It's the same miss every time, but the one difference here is unlike the Vikings game, he didn't miss the time after. And it was, and the the the thing with that that next, the final field goal that Arbuson made, what was it? Left hash.
00:25:49
Speaker
And he got that one to go right down. the It was left hash from beyond 40, granted just 41. But left hash, and he got it. you know The kick hugged towards the left post, and then it slid over to the middle of the field ghost. And which is what you want it to do in that scenario. So like like I said, I do wonder if that previous pressure got in his head. But at the same time, like I said, I'm just telling him, you're kicking with height. The ball jumps off his foot.
00:26:18
Speaker
there's no need for him to be and you're not kicking like a 64 yarder you're kicking like a sub 50 yarder get the proper height on it kick it center and live with the results if we gotta change the blockers and all that kind of stuff that's not on you as long as you're getting the kick off on time and with the right trajectory don't you because that's the thing is like you know as much as like you know Mason Crosby had that commercial when he was like ah at the end of his rookie year or the beginning of his second year where he like kicks the ball and he hits the bell tower I know it's not like a real bit but you know he like it looks like a bended like Beckham game where it's like that thing hooks in and doings the the um the bell it's like that's not what's normally gonna happen on a field goal and you don't want to be counting on that kind of bend in Lambeau when the
00:27:05
Speaker
ah ah And Laura Oakman was saying in all games, she's like, okay, it started with it being 49 degrees. And now that we're halfway through the first quarter, the rain is coming down. But now that the first quarter is ending, the rain is letting up, but the wind is picking up now and stuff. And it's like, with those kinds of things, it's like, don't bother with all the like, trying to fine tune and shit like that. Just boot the fucker and live with the results. And that's that's my whole thing with it is like,
00:27:32
Speaker
whenever I feel like whenever kickers try to be perfect with their stuff that's when you're like you know it's the whole like don't aim it throw it with like baseball players and football players but with kickers it's like just boot the fucker and live with the results so I will see honestly at this point they should resign Anders to the practice squad I know that's gonna that's gonna make a lot of people lose their marbles but Even if it just motivates Narvis in, you gotta do it at this point because you, like, I know that Anders has a bit of a devil we know element to him. But unless you're going to do something like sign Rylan, that's the thing is Peron tweeted about it too is he said like,
00:28:19
Speaker
You know, people are like, what do you do? What do you do? What do you do? But he's like, he, Peron is right. Like the time to fix this was March, April, maybe May kind of thing. You're the, forget behind the eight ball, the eight balls on a different pool table at this point. Like you're just putting Bondo and duct tape on the thing at this point and you're hoping for the best.
00:28:38
Speaker
and so like at this point you're just you know you're like an old west gunfighter who's picking bullets off the saloon floor and just like i hope this will fit in my pistol kind of thing and stuff that's basically what Goot's doing and he's like do i do i go with this bullet that kind of fits in but it's a little bit of a shove or do i go with this one that's the loose fit but will it fire kind of thing and stuff so there are no good answers at this point and you know the like that's the problem with kickers is like you don't trust them until you do anyone who says like oh this guy is this even if we even if we sign Justin Tucker everyone'd be like oh but he's old oh but like he you know he's this and he's that kind of thing no matter what Green Bay did at the kicker position it would have been under a microscope so
00:29:36
Speaker
I'm encouraged by the fact that Narveson didn't miss the kick after that he seemed to have adjusted and also there were conditions whatever happened there were some extenuating potentially extenuating circumstances on the kick he missed but at the same time it is still a pattern of all of his misses on the season and that has to change at this point like I don't want him to miss anymore, but God damn it, at least miss to the left for once, or get it blocked or something. Like, stop keep having a relationship with that right upright. Like, you've got to at least show improvement in that regard. And see, Gudi did it ass backwards compared to what I would have done. I'd have kept Anders inside Narvison to the practice squad. And that way, Bisachi had worked with Narvison
00:30:28
Speaker
and and had Anders floundered, then you you can cut him at that point and bring Narvison up. But the like you said, and Perrone put it, they did it too late in the game. I mean, right now your best option is what? Riley Patterson out there. And while he's been fairly decent as a field goal kicker, his main issue has always been extra points.
00:30:58
Speaker
Yeah. If you go by stats. So, I mean, it's one of those things that you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Obviously, everybody's going to point to the Greg Joseph thing, and I'd have to look to see what he did. I know he went five for five in his first game, but that don't mean jackshit for anything later on.
00:31:26
Speaker
uh i was trying to pull it up here real quick joseph still has his warts like i said i as much as we're talking about how nervous and kicks and all that kind of stuff i just don't like how everything it's like it's gotta to be straight as a bullet because when you're that kind of kicker and if you don't hit it perfect that thing is going off into the sideline so yeah it Also, I do like what they've been doing with Narmuson on kickoffs. I will give him that. He has put in some good kicks when they tell him to pop it short of the goal line. It's led to some like opposing drives starting like you know in the like
00:32:08
Speaker
mid to high 20 yard line and I know that doesn't sound like a lot but every yard counts in this league and if he's like reducing the opposing starting position field position from the 30 to the 27 that's three more yards that the opposing offense has to make up so We'll see. You hope that he figures it out, but so far, the track record that's been building up is not overly promising, but long way to go, and we'll see what happens at this point. Yeah, Joseph is 8-9 at this point so far. so and but Yeah, he's 89.9%. But that is, on like you said, one hundred that's on the back of going five for five in one game. So, course it yeah yeah, we'll see.
00:32:52
Speaker
But, yeah it's you know, like you said, we're going to try and put a bow on this one. Obviously, we would love to sit here and talk long about a game, but this is one of those business as usual kind of game for the Packers.
Strategic Decisions and Future Outlook
00:33:04
Speaker
And you wanted that. No big new injury. You'll have to monitor the Wix one. I didn't like how, that okay, that was a potentially ugly one for me is. I didn't like how long they kept the starters in this game.
00:33:17
Speaker
In particular, I thought love should have been out. I know they missed the field goal, but I didn't think he should have played it down in the fourth quarter. It led to some funny shit like him having a pom-pom session with Chris Barnes on Wilson's long run. like i tweeted I jokingly tweeted like, oh, he saw it was Chris Barnes trying to chase the play down. It was like, Chris isn't going to hit me. We're boys. like He knows that they're not coming back and we're we're just playing for we're just playing to for for pride here. but And then Kraft. Kraft was the one that I was actually more upset about than Love, because I get it. Jordan's missed two games. You want him in a rhythm, blah, blah, blah, all that kind of stuff.
00:33:56
Speaker
the craft one is I'm like there's parts of him that are falling off a little bit he's unfortunately taking a little too much of the kiddo playbook on where it's like I'm really good but I'm also perennially dinged up for a season and it's like the game is out of hand at that point you saw it on that one drive where he was in for like one or two plays he makes a block and he like is he's it took him like three seconds to get off the ground at the end of the play And at that point you're like, he'd not fucking be hurt right now. And I forget who went over to help pick him. I think it was, I think it was Jayden. And you can kind of tell by Jayden's body language that Jayden's like,
00:34:38
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Bro, you sure you okay? Like, he, like, stood over him for a while. yeah Like, you know how normally in that situation, the guy will, like, any player will tap you on the ass and then just keep walking back to the huddle. Like, Jayden stood, or whoever, I thought it was Jayden, but whoever it was, he stood there for a good, like, five seconds and was, like, made sure Kraft got up off the ground. and it And it's at that point, it's like, okay, that's the whole point you called Beck up from the practice squad. Sims has had a good game to this point. There is no... reason at all that k craft should be in the game at this point. So that that was like, like I said, that's where I was kind of like,
00:35:14
Speaker
You don't need to tempt fate with that. like Just get your guys out. The receivers, I know you know the Wix injury. you're you're already you know Watson is limited to some degree kind of thing. So like just so don't play with fire there. Put Heath and Melton in. Let Sims and Beck finish out the game. Play the but two-back set with Brooks and Wilson. But yeah.
00:35:38
Speaker
It's just hard to, like you said, the the the dead obvious one was the nervous and stuff. I guess if you really wanted to nitpick, you could go to the penalties that help the Cardinals get their one touchdown drive. But other than that, everything else that happened in this game was just, it's, you know, as much as the the Packers dominated this game like we thought they should because of how outmatched the Cardinals should have been,
00:36:06
Speaker
There's still professionals on the other team. They're going to get their punches in. They did. The Packers were able to throw in land more quality ones. So you feel good about that as a Packer fan and you're onto next week, which is a big game against the Texans. And it would be nice. Obviously it helps that one, one way or the other, the,
00:36:28
Speaker
one of the Vikings or ah ah Lions well unless they're stupid are going to end up with one more loss next week but the the only thing the Packers can do is keep pace and they just you know you expect that at some point you're going to start getting help from the other teams around the league at some point.
00:36:45
Speaker
For sure and you know Like I said, unless you're going to nitpick it, there's not much you can pull apart from this game. You're going to have the people that are, oh, well, Quay wasn't very good, or Quay did this, or Quay did that. and it's I get it. He's not playing like you would think he would play. But as you pointed out, if he was drafted in the same spot Edgeran Cooper was, would he get as much hate as he does? Yeah. and
00:37:19
Speaker
Certain content creators, are you know they've they've drawn their line in the sand and they'll use any play to you know light up a player and stuff like that. If you don't know what you're looking at as a fan, don't just follow the sheet and stuff like that. Watch it, make your own decision. If that's your opinion, fine, so be it. But certain plays that we're getting pointed out, it's like, oh, Quay got found in coverage. like Kyler broke the pocket for two seconds and was rolled out next to the sideline. Of course a receiver should win a route on a secondary adjustment against a linebacker at that point. It's like, and yes, you would like, and the one part about Quaze's game, and it's such a double-edged sword for him because
00:38:03
Speaker
he's playing it he's playing the plays on in coverage at times especially today like i said because i think of the conditions he's playing it safe he's like i'm not going to over adjust to a route behind me kind of thing i'm gonna play my zone be in position to make a tackle not give up extra yards after the catch and yeah so it's like oh like Do you want him to push to the route but then get beat if they break it off at a different angle and he overruns it? Then you're gonna be like, oh, what's he doing? He doesn't know where to go. And it's like, it's such a, unless he makes it interception or a sack on every drive, he's not gonna please everyone at this point. It's unfortunate. And that's the part that I do hate that it gets to with any player is like,
00:38:47
Speaker
everyone has their preconceived notions they determine whether it's a bad pick at the time because they don't like the pick and or like that player just doesn't hasn't lived up to expectations and so he's a boss that he's never going to improve and it's like two Yeah, and I'm not going to beleaguere the point anymore, but it's it's just annoying. It's frustrating. The team's up like 21 points and you're beating this horse that doesn't need to be beat at this point. And it's like, all right, whatever. If that makes you happy on game days, so be it. But yeah like I try not to pay too much attention to it because I'm just trying to look at the overall team success and all that kind of stuff. then
00:39:30
Speaker
doesn it doesn't it doesn't float my boat to beat up on players like that so it is what it is and just hope for another week but you know we'll preview it on Thursday but this upcoming game this is a big test for the Packers know Houston has kind of been on you know a little bit of a slide they have it looked like the world beaters everyone was expecting but Green Bay's got to keep pace, get that fifth win to stay in sight distance of the Lions and the Vikings because they just keep not losing games. And you don't, you know, not that you'll lose the division race in the first half of the season, but you don't want to make it where you have to be perfect down the stretch to be in the race and
00:40:09
Speaker
You know, hu you know, clinging onto a wild card spot and all that kind of stuff. So got to continue to rack up wins. But, hey, the Packers are doing a much better job of it this season than they did last season. And that's what comes with experience. This team knows how to win, has been much better about closing out games they should win.
00:40:28
Speaker
And that's all you can ask for. Now, the next step is to take start winning some of these games that I don't want to say you're not expected to win, but are more toss-up kind of situations. This Houston game is the next one. So that's the next bit of pro progression that I'm hoping to see out of this group. But you want to put a bow on this one already, Joe? I know you you've been you've been podcasting a lot today. You're on with Ramage and stuff on his postgame already today.
00:40:54
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I've said this before, but it's harder to do a post game show when you win than, than it is when you lose, because when you lose, you can at least have stuff to pick apart and talk about on it. Whereas when you win, you can talk about the good, but there's no bad. innocent And are wins where like, if we had won the Viking game, there would have been a lot of shit we could have picked apart and said like, Hey, like,
00:41:21
Speaker
You know, even though a lot of them were like just shit luck Murphy's law kind of stuff, there still would have been a lot of things that you could have picked a part of. But this kind of game where you're like down on three drives and you're kind of like everything outside of that, it's like, oh, the Cardinals didn't do shit on offense for the first quarter and a half of the game kind of thing. And it was because of what Green Bay was. It wasn't because the Cardinals were just dropping everything and falling over themselves.
00:41:48
Speaker
I guess the only other ugly is sadly and unfortunately McKinney Streak died today. And partly on the back of... not and Honestly, McKinney had a solid game. The touchdown was a little bit on him. I didn't like how he was aligned on that play. But otherwise he was solid. He had a nice one-on-one tackle of James Connor where basically no gain.
00:42:10
Speaker
And honestly, I think his chances to get interceptions were undone by the fact that the Cardinals couldn't stop fumbling the ball to the Packers. So, you know, Green Bay again puts up multiple turnovers, you know, racks up multiple turnovers forced on defense, but this time they're all on the ground as opposed to interceptions.
00:42:28
Speaker
alas the streak is over for McKinney but and and I'm just waiting for the point where people are like oh my god McKinney hasn't had an interception since week five what an overrated signing and it's like that totally is under underscoring the point that now Evan Williams is making plays edge Cooper has been making splash plays granted they're like drawn up for it but he's making them Jair is back healthy so you know like the field is getting compressed Bullard is making more plays and stuff so like If McKinney doesn't have another interception this season, it will still be an excellent season because yours and today you saw it too where he got to play in the box some and stuff so there's a lot of stuff to be excited about seeing as it how it moves forward but like you said
00:43:18
Speaker
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00:44:44
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