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Intellectual Fulfillment with Brian Knobbs
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This week Garrett and Fax hangout in the Callender Dungeon in Nashville and watch some Brian Knobbs matches! How were the Nasty Boys involved with the spread of Corona virus? Did Dave Meltzer have a good time at the beach? The only way to find out is to listen!
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Introduction and Updates
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, Chris Miggs here. I am not with Garrett and Jimmy Fax this week. They have recorded together and they have a lot of hilariousness for you. I unfortunately could not join them, but I just wanted to hop in here at the top because I would be remiss if
Tribute to Dean Rasmussen
00:00:16
Speaker
we on the podcast didn't recognize the passing of Dean Rasmussen. Dean was the founder and leader of the Death Valley Driver video review DVD VR, one of the sort of seminal wrestling message boards of the late 90s and early 2000s.
Influence of DVD VR
00:00:33
Speaker
It's
00:00:34
Speaker
the board that Tony Khan posted on, if you want to think of that place. And DVD VR meant meant so much to me. It exposed me to so much new wrestling. It taught me about watching wrestling with joy and humor and brought me to, you know, places like Ring of Honor the first time. The reason I was at the first Ring of Honor show was because I learned about all that wrestling, reading about it on DVD VR.
00:00:58
Speaker
But to me, the biggest impressions I got from from Death Valley Driver were the road reports, the Death Valley Driver crew getting together to go see wrestling. And Dean wrote the funniest ones, the funniest and most engaging and most amusing stories, but not really about going to see a wrestling show. I mean, in part about going to see a wrestling show, but really about
00:01:28
Speaker
him and his friends who loved wrestling getting together to watch tapes and go on weird journeys to weird places they might not have otherwise been to go and watch some wrestling. And, you know, what I took from that is
00:01:43
Speaker
how beautiful it is to hop in a car with your friends and set off on that journey. I don't know if anyone else would have taught me that.
Life Lessons from Dean
00:01:55
Speaker
And so I think I and sort of a lot of us owe a real debt of gratitude to the work and community building and writing that Dean did.
00:02:08
Speaker
And what I learned as an adult was that Dean was so right that to do this with your friends is a joy and a privilege. He taught me about a way of life that has led me to an incredible number of wonderful memories.
00:02:27
Speaker
And more importantly, wonderful friends.
Transition to Wrestling Anecdotes
00:02:31
Speaker
So thanks for everything, Dean. And now here are some of those wonderful friends who are going to talk about Brian Knobs.
00:03:14
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predeterminate Pro Wrestling Hangout.
Brian Knobs and Wrestling Banter
00:03:17
Speaker
I'm your host, Garrett Callender, and with me, as always, Jimmy Fax in the flesh. That's right, the fax machine is here in the calendar dungeon. Lots of screaming, very similar to what Stu Hart was putting people through, but closer to what Schlack was gonna put that guy through in XPW.
00:03:40
Speaker
Yeah, that's, that's, that's right. Um, but I'm, I'm ready for it. I'm ready willing. I'm able, but we, we are, we are going to punish ourselves a little bit here.
00:03:50
Speaker
Yeah, so we had a really good time on last week's episode. I assume we're releasing this the following week. Sure, why not? Who knows when this is coming out. But Brian Knobbs really, I don't know, he tugged at our imagination strings. It's like that Seinfeld where he's like Stanza and the girl can't get it out of her head.
00:04:15
Speaker
That's the way Brian Knobs has been living in our heads for the last couple of days. Nasty boys. Yeah. Bro, Kogan. Nick, kill the guy. Yeah, and can we just talk about what we were just talking about before we started recording to where... We were just looking up and I was surprised to find out that Nasty Boys are not in the WWE Hall of Fame because the bar is so low. Koko Bewear made it over a decade ago at this point.
00:04:43
Speaker
Well, he had a parrot. Sure, but I mean, these guys were tag champs, I think, on multiple occasions. You know, they were on both sides. And Brian Nobz, though, is Hogan's buddy, right? So, like, Hogan clearly could have got him in. It does kind of feel like, at this point, Hogan is the one actively keeping them out.
00:05:06
Speaker
Right. Like I can't imagine Vince never had the idea like how nasty boys like they're fine is like kind of the last one there. They're somehow both still alive, which the WWE loves if they can. Right. But they also like to wait.
00:05:23
Speaker
I don't know. They might not have much longer to wait between sags and knobs. And we see knobs diet at the Hogan restaurant.
Humor and Speculation on Hall of Fame
00:05:34
Speaker
I do the pictures. I mean, it could be his cholesterol. It could be just one of those clams that the grandma that ordered is like, oh, I can't eat this. And he's just like, he actually greets everyone of like, you should order the clams because he knows they're inedible. And then when they take it back, he's allowed to eat it.
00:05:58
Speaker
I picture he goes like kind of what you said Coco bewears in there but he goes to hoagies like come on man Coco got in before me and he's like he has a parrot dude what kind of animal you got he's like well this dogs always follow me around he's like that's a that's a police search dog dude he's looking for drugs in your car
00:06:18
Speaker
And then I feel like though on the other side, like Jerry Sags is like Professor Gerald Sags. You know, lecture emeritus at like Princeton.
00:06:32
Speaker
He's like, it turns out, you know, like the guar guys are all like theater members. You know, he's yeah, I don't see sags down at the beach out. You don't have time for that shit. No, he's got he's got things. He's got intellectual fulfillment. But that's the opposite of what we're doing tonight.
00:06:53
Speaker
But you said that they they have wrestled pretty recently. Yeah, we looked according to cage match and you know, cage match doesn't have everything, but it looked like they were running pretty straight up to the pandemic. So I don't know. Maybe they had a falling falling. Well, that would make sense. The intellectual was like, yeah, Brian knobs clearly an anti mask, anti vaxxer. Right. Just because that's what Hogan tells him. And Brian knobs is like, I trust the science.
00:07:24
Speaker
He might have developed the science. Like Jerry Sags is right in there with Fauci. He actually is Fauci. Fauci is one of the, he is, he's fucking Sags. Like that was his stage name. That's right. And God, when he put in that, when he told us all to wear masks, nuclear heat. Nuclear. Nuclear heat. Like he was, he was Kaufman in the south. Like he was. Yeah.
00:07:52
Speaker
And so I don't know. Maybe maybe they're going to work a big angle. Right. Because because even Professor Gerald, he's still a carny a little bit. Right. So like if you get a big enough box office, like if they were going to give him second billing on the match where Jeff Jarrett almost murdered Rick Flair, like I think they would. They're waiting for that payday. They're waiting for that Conrad payday.
00:08:12
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, science isn't paying the bills like now science is a hobby. You know, if you want to pay the bills, you got to get down to the Comic Con in Huntsville, Alabama. Sure. With the IRS guy and of course. Yeah. Yeah. That's where the big bucks are. Yeah. Well, yeah. And I feel like
00:08:31
Speaker
Sags actually like he probably also played the market on the whole VEX like he had a lot of Moderna stock and like now that stock has cooled off like he's sold he sold that he's made his COVID money right COVID COVID's not you know getting another yacht for him anymore
00:08:49
Speaker
He invested in Moderna knobs, just invested in syringes.
Nostalgia for Nasty Boys Matches
00:08:56
Speaker
They gotta put the Moderna somewhere. They gotta do it. I've been collecting him on the beach. I've been getting him out of Terry's trash can.
00:09:07
Speaker
shit so I think what we're gonna do is we hang out we're just gonna watch some nasty boys match sure and we'll tell you guys what match we're throwing on so you can follow along if you want if that's something that you you have time for in your life you're already here I mean
00:09:26
Speaker
Yeah. And so we're starting just on YouTube because, you know, fuck peacock. And it is a WWE official video from the official WWE channel. We were looking for a Google search revealed that apparently one of the best nasty boys matches ever was a 1990 match between the nasties and the Snyder brothers.
00:09:44
Speaker
We are too lazy to find that one, but we found a different match that looks like it's from some nitro in March of 96. So the title of the video is Steiner Brothers versus Nasty Boys dash March 24 comma 1996 on the WWE channel, way less views than a Grim Stoyko video.
00:10:04
Speaker
Oh, substantially less. Honestly, this has maybe the same amount of views as the trailer for the movie Book Club 2. Did you trick me into coming over here to watch some stuff on YouTube just to try to drive the algorithm? You think some Brian Nobbs might drive the Grimstoyko algorithm down?
00:10:30
Speaker
Well, yeah, I figured Grim goes down, we go up. Well, and then Jerry Sags, he's a very savvy internet marketer. So you figure going to nasty boys, he's going to start marketing whatever he wants, you know, to manipulate the stock market towards. Okay, okay. Wait, so are we good guys or bad guys here? We're just, we are the product.
00:10:54
Speaker
Oh, cool. Yeah. We are Moderna. We're the Moderna and we're either the Moderna or the needles on the beach. We won't know until later. Both are pretty cool, dude. I'm into it. I'm into it. All right, guys. So we're going to count down from three and we're going to press play. Watch this. Not the best Steiner brothers versus nasty boys match, but doing you one better on the one that's available on the first one you'll find on YouTube. Yeah.
00:11:21
Speaker
All right. Three, two, one. Play. All right. There's. Man, I know I've told God.
00:11:32
Speaker
And that is Scott. I feel like we have we ever talked about how lazy the name Rick Steiner is because like their actual last name is Rick Steiner. So he's like, well, I'm not going to use my real name. This is news to me. You didn't know that. No. So their actual legal born lineage, familial lineage, their actual last name is Rick Steiner.
00:11:54
Speaker
And I think he I think he's like Dave Rick Steiner or something like that and Scott is Scott Rick Steiner That's like they're what's on their driver's license or at least what probably is a big pop-up pump on his driver's license now
00:12:04
Speaker
That was on the driver's license before the police took them away. Right, right. Well, they live in Georgia, so I think they're lucky. This is fucking New Japan whaling right now. Get them knobs. I'm into it. I'm already into this. I love a good 90s tag. Holy shit, knobs just clobbered Rick in the mouth with that elbow. These guys are actually hitting each other.
00:12:28
Speaker
Yeah. And like we were talking, this is definitely pre big pop up public. I mean, I'm not saying he's smaller or anything, but he, he seems like, uh, these guys seem physically capable, but yeah, anyway. So when he, when he got into wrestling, he's just like, yeah, Rick Steiner is too long and confusing. Like a name for a wrestler. So he's like, Oh, I'm just Rick Steiner. Yeah.
00:12:54
Speaker
And the last time I saw him was at a convention and he was mad that Scott's line was longer. He threw all of his Sharpies away. Yeah, that's mature. Well, they were a team known for their maturity. Like, yeah, it's a it's a level of emotional maturity.
00:13:15
Speaker
So Scott, no tags, by the way, they're doing this like hurricane style like this is like like New Japan combined with ECW. This is so what do you call this, a tornado tag? Yeah. OK, well, it looks like SAGS is going out to like I think that they just haven't rang the bell. But yeah, that's the tornado tag is when there's no tagging, which was my favorite setting on the old WWF video game is the best. It was the best. It's how you had to do it.
00:13:45
Speaker
Whose outfit are you more likely to be seen in? I honestly would wear any of the above. I think they're all pretty striking looks. I've lost a little weight. I think I could pull off a singlet. See, I've gained a little weight. I feel like I could pull off a knobs. Well, I could definitely pull off a knobs now. Yeah.
00:14:08
Speaker
I think it's a pretty solid look. Like I also think like you kind of just bleach my hair, give me a haircut. I think I could be a pretty decent Brian knobs in 96 stand in without a whole lot of effort. I will say legitimately impressed with how the Steiners are throwing these two big boys around.
00:14:33
Speaker
And, but I'm also impressed by the nasties that like, they're not slowing down. Like they're two big fat dudes and they're just, they're going there. There's no slowdown in this match. Hogan's like, you don't understand, man. The nasty boys can go, dude.
00:14:49
Speaker
I don't know why he's keeping him out of the Hall of Fame now. Oh, Fauci, don't spit. I mean, this was before. Did he go to school after, or is he going to school at night? Or is he planning the seeds then? This is the long con with Jerry Zags. It wasn't a bad, it was that spit that just came out of his mouth that started all this. I mean, if you told me, you know, there was the big things of like, oh no, there's evidence that it came out of a lab.
00:15:15
Speaker
But like, I'm pretty sure we all know it probably came from one, if not both of the Steiner brothers. Like that's where all the COVID came from. It originated at a Shoney's in Georgia. AKA the secret lab.
00:15:39
Speaker
Alright, so it does seem like Nick Patrick has regained control and this is the normal tag match.
00:15:47
Speaker
I will say that opening, though, where they were like really throwing fists and even sags flying knee. That was I think a lot of guys on AEW could learn something from this, you know, because I do love like this is legitimate love. I'm not being like I love these like 90s kind of like heavyweight. Like it does kind of have that Japanese vibe to it of like we're going to have like four heavyweight dudes just throwing freaking haymakers.
00:16:17
Speaker
And just some random ass tag match. I mean, is that kind of what I think they're only on dark, but the work horseman.
00:16:26
Speaker
uh maybe like would they be uh i mean i think they would be closer to a steiner than the nasty boys based on just yeah hygiene but um they i've never thought like these guys look but like they they like we've been doing a lot of those like hoss fights for the tnt title right like throw those guys into a tag situation
00:16:48
Speaker
You throw, like, before he turned on him, like, Samoa Joe and Wardlow against Hobbs and, I don't know, Archer maybe? I think you could have a grand old time with that. Lance Archer would love the work. Yeah, he's available. So's Knobs, by the way. If you can't, he doesn't have a phone, but if you call the phone down in Clearwater at Hogan's Beach House,
00:17:18
Speaker
I don't think knobs would get past standards and practices by the Turner people. Like, we wouldn't let Jay Briscoe on television. They're like, we'll let you drop an S-bomb here and there.
00:17:36
Speaker
No knobs. Like Kevin Spacey's getting back on TVS before. We're going to have Kevin Spacey host the Miss America pageant. No one won. This was a Bongo Gonzo finish with the Road Warriors.
00:18:06
Speaker
But it was solid. I guess that's WCW for you, right? In the 90s, it had something good going and then they just have it end terribly, not end, and just make the audience mad. For six minutes, them clobbering on each other at the beginning was worth the price of admission. I thought that was odd. I think it's worth six and a half minutes of your time.
00:18:27
Speaker
Alright, so what we had agreed before is, so before I unlocked my phone, I looked on internet wrestling DB, and I'm moving the microphone around so I'm probably not coming through, on pro-fight DB. So we do have the listing of, and I just looked at Brian Knobs, because you look up just a single wrestler, but I imagine they're all going to be nasty voice matches.
00:18:47
Speaker
We have every Meltzer star rating ever. OK, so we've agreed we're going to watch whatever it is, because presumably it's going to be if it's not on YouTube, it'll be on Peacock if we have to. But let's guess, what do we think?
00:19:05
Speaker
So I don't want mine and Chris's old podcast. We did one with Max Payne and Cactus Jack against the nasty boys. I think it was a Halloween havoc. It was a Chicago street fight. I want to say I could see Meltzer giving that one four. OK. But but I would say I'm actually going to guess three and a half.
00:19:27
Speaker
Has that been like one of the higher rate? I think that that like but that's the things like Meltzer Ratings provide DBs like I don't know what there might not be a rating for so I feel like if he has a rating for that match I think it's four but I'm gonna go ahead and say for some reason we don't have a rating for that match and the highest match is gonna be like them against the heart foundation like three and
00:19:51
Speaker
You think that they would get the higher score against a better working team? I think so. And I think that that would also make sure that Meltzer's going to review it, right? Okay. That does make sense. I don't know. The Chicago street fight does sound very fun, though, because Knobs looks like he can take a chair.
00:20:11
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, and it's definitely Max Payne's best match too, so three out of the four guys in that match is the greatest match ever. You've said his name twice now, and I am sure it is not Mark Wahlberg. I don't know who Max Payne is, so I think the video game franchise was based on that.
00:20:28
Speaker
in this character. He's a guy that looks like he would tag with Mick Foley and possibly be his roommate. Bigger guy, similar shape, long hair, played a guitar. And so I think it might've been at that show. I wanna say it might've been the first match on that show and he plays the Star Spangled Banner on guitar before it.
00:20:56
Speaker
I mean, for a wrestler, you know, pretty solid gets an electric guitar. Like if he's actually playing it, I remember it being serviceable on a scale from like Elias to Hendrix where I mean, I would put him right dead center, dead center. OK, OK. All right. So should you want to give a guess on your your your snowflake? Like how many stars I think the top one is. Yeah, the Meltzer stars.
00:21:22
Speaker
Four and a quarter. All right. So we have a tie. So we're going to go. So let's watch the one that is not one of the two is the Chicago street fight. And it was actually spring stampede 94 Brian knobs and Jerry sags against Cactus Jack and Maxine. Since I know I've seen that one and even done a podcast on it. Let's do the other one. Both of these. We are both.
00:21:51
Speaker
Under, by the way, that match and the one I'm about to say both got four and a half Meltzer stars. Oh my God. This one was at WCW. Slamboree 94. Cactus Jack and Kevin Sullivan versus the nasty boys for the WCW world tag team titles. So this was two paper views in a row. That was nasty boys against Mick Foley and somebody and they had bangers apparently. So I'm looking for Slamboree 94.
00:22:21
Speaker
Slamboree 94. Yeah, which keep in mind. I don't know which season of slamboree that is Keeping my peacock. I tried to just search Brian knobs and peacock told me to go to hell All right guys, so we have it pulled up on peacock season 2 of slamboree season 2 episode 1 just to be clear Yeah, we have it paused at
00:22:45
Speaker
Two hours, two minutes, 49 seconds. So yes, so this was the like, looks like this was the semi main. And there's a Philadelphia flyer is the special guest. David, the hammer Schultz is apparently going to be our special guest referee. So we'll see. All right, guys, strap in. Here we go. Three, two, one, play. And we're looking at some lights.
00:23:10
Speaker
We're looking at a backdrop that appears to be from a early 90s prom. Which as we fast forward, it seemed like this show is mostly people talking in front of a podium, which is great for the pay-per-views. Right. Including like Sting in the face paint, where it's just like, oh yeah, that's what I want to see the pay-per-view is Sting talking.
00:23:32
Speaker
Nothing like tucking a hockey sweater into some slacks. Particularly for an actual former player, like, I don't know. I mean, he looked really excited in his promo before this and he looks miserable actually walking into the ring. He looks like a little embarrassed.
00:23:53
Speaker
Yeah, he really just regrets all of this. Well, who's backstage to make him tuck those into the slacks? Turner wasn't back there. I can't imagine. Who's in charge at this point? Is this Bischoff? No, this has got to be pre-Bischoff. Pre-Bischoff, yeah. So this is, oh, fuck, what's his name? Well, actually, this is probably Ric Flair booking. But who was actually in charge? So this is probably Ric Flair booking, I think, based on where we are on the calendar.
00:24:23
Speaker
I'm blanking on his name. Had a son. Watts, I think this was the second run of Watts. Oh, my God. OK, Kevin Sullivan's where Kevin Sullivan, by the way, who who if you see him at like a Russell now, gigantic Red Sox fan, huge Boston sports fan, but shamelessly wearing Phillies gear.
00:24:48
Speaker
Even though the special guest riff was a hockey player, why not wear the flyers? If you're going to do the hometown thing.
00:24:56
Speaker
Well, you don't want to like come into the ring dressed as the guy who's already in there. And he'd have to tuck in. That was probably he probably had the flyer jersey and Schultz was like, you know, you got to tuck that in. He's like, well, I'm just wearing like basically underwear. It'd be weird if I was into your underpants, but you tuck those in. Yeah, but you want to wear one of those other man be pambe sports jerseys. All right. Now, these are all business here. They look.
00:25:22
Speaker
honestly pretty cool they did I do remember I remember again as a kid I was aware of like WCW stuff going on in this era but like we weren't really watching and we definitely and I remember when they showed up in in WWF which I guess was before this
00:25:43
Speaker
Yeah, because if this is 94, this is probably after they came back. And I remember being like, ooh, the nasty boys. Like, they're like big time from WCW. Like, they're going to be really cool. And they were.
00:25:54
Speaker
Honestly, they look like. I like their music, too. They look like if you were to play like a Sega Genesis video game version of the movie Demolition Man. Sure. They look like the guys you're probably beating up. This is what they look like. They look like from Ninja Turtles, Rocksteady and Bebop before they get turned into animal people. Oh, buddy. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:22
Speaker
And like I said, the nasty boys know how to take a chair. And again, we have just brawling, not in the ring, no tags. I don't think the bell has been wrong. This was just the nasty. I guess this is why people like the nasty boys. They just, they knew how to give us what we wanted.
00:26:43
Speaker
Man, it sucks that right now Janela is just sleeping on giving us knobs versus Sabre Jr. at spring break next year. That would be something. A technical match with knobs is, especially at this age. And then afterwards Sabre would go against ZSJ against then Sags in a chess match.
00:27:10
Speaker
And then a spelling bee. It would be... It would be... It would be what they do to fifth graders to prove who's the smartest. Oh! Yeah, that was a pretty nasty pile driver.
00:27:28
Speaker
I can tell you this feels very, very similar to the Chicago Street Fight that would be one pay-per-view later, I guess. With just one different wrestler. Or one before this, I think, actually. So this one is rated the same as that, though? Yeah, so it's two pay-per-views in a row in 94, three out of the four guys are the same.
00:27:49
Speaker
I think they're both for the tag titles. So the nasties, I believe, are the tag champions. Because they came out last, yeah, so. Yeah, and even though they didn't have the belts on them, I don't think I saw, but they definitely are the tag champions. And I could tell you that the previous match, where it was Max Payne in the Kevin Sullivan role, I believe is like, even though it's a Chicago street fight, it's like either a double DQ or a double count out, like it's some kind of shit non-finish.
00:28:18
Speaker
So I don't know what happened to Max Payne, why he was exiled from this one, but like they definitely kind of set that one up screwy that like the nasty boys kept the titles but didn't really beat Cactus Jack. And Max Payne was also there. It's nice seeing Cactus Jack like he looks healthy.
00:28:37
Speaker
Like his body, it doesn't look like it hurts him to walk to the ring. Like his posture's great. Well does he even maybe still have both ears at this point? 94? That's right around when it happens.
00:28:59
Speaker
I think this might've been pre-ear loss because I think we saw that it was Vader is the champion in the main event or is challenging for the title. I think I saw on the little burb that Vader's in the main event here. And I think that match in Germany was after like the Vader push was beginning to die down and like he wasn't in the main event scene. Like he was on his way down from the main event scene.
00:29:31
Speaker
Wait, okay, I was trying to figure out what he was hitting him with a bit ago, and I just heard on commentary that one of the nasty boys took a camera away from somebody and was beating Gactus Jack with it.
00:29:46
Speaker
Yeah, a camera bag. That was I mean, it's a hefty item. It's a hefty item and a pricey item. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My my my dad wouldn't be cool with that if I went and my dad wouldn't even let me have the like disposable cameras because because those would be too pricey. You kidding me. Take a disposable around Brian knobs. You're just asking for it. It's either going to get stolen or I'm going to have to develop a picture of his nutsack. Yeah.
00:30:18
Speaker
The Philadelphia Flyer. Not Dr. David Schultz. Oh, is it Dave the Hammer Schultz? Yeah, there we go. He's either too far away or too close. He's wildly indifferent to what's going on. He looks like he's literally asking like, did they give you the paycheck yet? Like he was going back to one of his guys backstage like, do you got it? It was cash, right? Cash?
00:30:44
Speaker
As soon as the bag is in hand, I am outta here. Which is a shame, because this is a hell of an entertaining match, and he's got the best seat in the house. I mean, 94, how hot was wrestling then? This was, no, this was at its dearth, right? Because 94 is right before it started heating up again.
00:31:10
Speaker
Right. Like 94 is when this is right around when they bring Hogan in. OK. Right. Because things were so bleak and like Vince was just like, you know, even Hogan's like this is post steroid trials. We could tell by all four men's physiques. Whereas the match we just watched with the Steiner's two years later. They're back on the gas, you know.
00:31:33
Speaker
God, hitting them with a fucking microphone. I like the style ramp, by the way. Also, what the inspiration here is, I just realized this is in Philly in 94. ECW is just- That's not the first time knobs have slipped in a puddle of beer. But this is right around the genesis of ECW. Eastern Championship Wrestling is becoming extreme championship wrestling right after this.
00:32:04
Speaker
Is there a young, like, Mikey Whipwreck? Sitting, yeah. Sitting and being like, yeah, I can... I could be a nasty boy. Yeah, I look as pretty as a nasty boy. My teacher always tells me I'm gross. Kevin Sullivan.
00:32:29
Speaker
is horrifying he's one of the most unlikely like former main event guys ever right like he just has nothing that you associate with a successful pro wrestler of any era
00:32:46
Speaker
but yet he's fine like he's like he's solid most kind of the same thing about like Mick Foley I guess like as far as looks and physique and not sure he looks like a presentable man but
00:33:01
Speaker
Yeah, except for, you know, being one of the greatest wrestlers ever, right? I mean, Mick Foley is a generational talent who completely changed the industry. And Kevin Sullivan looks like your dad's friend. Right. He's known for having his brother spell his name backwards and being part of the worst stable, the Alliance to End Hulkamania.
00:33:31
Speaker
which not to get off the topic of this match, but as we were surfing around on YouTube looking for something, we did see a clip where knobs was denied entry into the NWO on television. And it was Hogan denying him directly in the still frame. So like it's adding credence to the Hogan blacklisting them from the Hall of Fame. What do you think happened in real life that didn't allow knobs to be in the NWO?
00:33:59
Speaker
Well, so I do remember that it probably so when I think of W.S.U. era and I think of these guys, I actually think of nasty Brian knobs as a single wrestler. So I'm guessing that probably set up his singles run because at that point knobs, you know, had been to the wet market in in Wuhan and he kind of had some of the wheels in motion and was kind of like, yeah, I'm I'm retiring.
00:34:28
Speaker
I will only wrestle high school gymnasiums. And he only went to the wet market because he thought it sounded sexy. Like he didn't know what that was. Yeah. Yeah. We got some, we got some color here on Mick. Honestly, like a lot of what I remember about Brian knobs is like junior high high school, watching him on Hogan knows best.
00:34:55
Speaker
Yeah. And him being Hulk's silly friend from the reality show. Whereas I remember just like in the slight like the age difference is like I remember that being mind blowing. Whereas like because everyone knew Barbara, Barbara was was, you know, Hogan's guy. And OK, quick count from David Schultz and I guess Cactus wins the tag titles here with.
00:35:20
Speaker
Um, but that being mind blowing of like, Oh, you know what former wrestlers like Hogan's best friend is always read Brian knobs. It's just, it was, you couldn't have come up with a more random guy. I mean,
00:35:34
Speaker
I don't know. What what does knobs have to offer him, Hogan? And I mean, I mean, you can be friends with anybody you want. I think Hogan's got to love lording it like he wants to have someone who's like enough of a name that Hogan can get him in places despite his odor. But like clearly an inferior human being noticeably in every possible way so that Hogan can kind of just have. Yeah, yeah, that's Max Payne. All right.
00:36:03
Speaker
It looks pretty cool. Yeah, no, I don't actually know what happens. Oh, yeah. I thought it might've been three, but I guess that would. Oh, and he's got the powder in the guitar. Jeff Jarrett stole it from him. Damn. Don't know why he had the crowd going crazy. Like a Nashville country acoustic guitar when his whole thing is that he's like a metalhead. But, you know, whatever.
00:36:31
Speaker
Every metal band has a ballad, right? That's true. Maybe that's where he went. He's the guy from Stained. He wrote, it's been a while after being passed over being on this pay-per-view. He absolutely looks like the kind of guy Fred Durst would discover in Florida and give a record deal to. Sure. There's Evad. There's Evad Sullivan.
00:37:00
Speaker
knobs watch out oh fuck honestly knobs is quite the actor too i think i think thunder and paradise would have been better with more knobs or some knobs i don't think there was any knobs he well he was actually going to get the role first but the uh jet ski uh didn't didn't hold him it it sunk
00:37:25
Speaker
Oh, I just realized, so Schultz was kind of going around slowly because he couldn't risk the jersey getting untucked from his pants. He was a real tight tuck job. For a guy who they showed a lot of fight videos of, he seemed like a timid ref. He did indeed. Oh, did he get, he got Wuhan'd? He got Wuhan'd.
00:37:50
Speaker
All right. So I know, I know we said we were going to do this and it's getting late and I got to run, but I think I got time for one more. What do you say? We now look at the lowest rated. All right. I'm unlocking the phone.
00:38:08
Speaker
My fingerprint is, I think my fingerprint is fine. My phone is just refusing. My phone's like, please don't. I love you. All right, so I only see one red, meaning, that's right, red means negative stars. So how did Meltzer even see this? Was he drunk and he accidentally watched it? Is the Philly one, I don't know. No, I mean the low rated one. Well, it's probably at a pay-per-view that he covered, right? He had to watch it, yeah. Okay.
00:38:37
Speaker
This one is going to be bash at the beach 95, which I'm going to guess that's like season three of bash at the beach. And it is Booker T and Stevie Ray, the nasty boys and the blue bloods. I want to say, I mean, just let's all there. So it's, it's Earl, Robert Eaton, Lord Steven Regal. I believe they went by the blue bloods.
00:39:05
Speaker
So it's not beach blast. It's bash at the beach. Which is vexingly a different pay-per-view. Still WCW though, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, there we go. Oh, there we go. Yeah, seven seasons. 1995, you said? 95, yeah. So yeah, season two. So another season two, episode one. Season two WCW was hot. It was hot. Okay.
00:39:35
Speaker
And I don't know if this is gonna make the edit, but the following pay-per-view is also Harlem Heat against The Nasty Boys. And that one got three and a half. So apparently it's Bobby and William Regal are the ones dragging this one down. I think me and Derek watched this for a watch-along.
00:39:59
Speaker
to watch something off of here. I do enjoy the aesthetic. Like, I know that I just enjoy shows that look different. Was it like, oh, yeah, like hog wild? Yeah, like they were talking about how he was such a bad audience because none of them cared about wrestling and they were so drunk. But like, oh, wait, it's OK. So there's Harlem Heat giving a promo that's presumably the pre-match promo. Let's let's just do it right here. OK.
00:40:30
Speaker
So next match we've got season two bash at the beach. We have it paused at one hour, two minutes, 45 seconds.
00:40:40
Speaker
Yep. And it looks like we've Harlem heat with Sherry, um, the nasty boys and the blue bloods. Uh, it is for the tag titles. I don't know who the champions are here. How many stars did you say? Negative 0.5. Oh, hell yeah. And so, and then we were just saying the next pay-per-view is just the nasties in Harlem heat. And that one got three and a half.
00:41:05
Speaker
So apparently William Regal and Bobby Eaton are worth negative four stars. Whoa. Whoa. Okay, guys, let's do this. Three, two, one, play. See the palm trees? I do, I do love this. I love the aesthetic of like just we're going to do a big outdoor show.
00:41:31
Speaker
Now, Hogwild, they just did the surges and it was free. Now, did they sell tickets for this, do we know? Or they had to have, right? Like, because it does seem weird to not make money. Now, that said, so this is 95, 96 is obviously the famous one where Hogan turns. And that's clearly just in an arena. So season two was the last season that they did this. Maybe because they realized we might not wanna not sell any tickets.
00:42:00
Speaker
I do remember other bash at the beach, though, where it seemed like there was like a pool or something. You know, it was like they were almost like the Nitros. They would always do the one. They would do nitros in there was a beach in Florida. It would always be the same beach. But wasn't. Yeah. The one that Shane showed up at was an outdoor one. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:23
Speaker
And they did, maybe they kind of, maybe they started road wild after this and they're like, we'll do one outdoor, I don't know.
00:42:33
Speaker
Do you get the same vibe when you go to the pier in Atlantic City? I think it's a different vibe. You see a lot more... I'm not gonna say you see a lot more urinating off the pier, because there's probably a good deal of that happening here that we're not necessarily seeing. And you look in the sand and see things that got knobs a little revenue. Yeah, exactly. And again, on the pier in Atlantic City, it's usually Matthew Justice is the one peeing off the pier. It's during the match.
00:43:05
Speaker
Alright so then I see why they're team number two. So I guess Harlem Heat are the champions then. So was he missing a tooth in the last match or is that a noo? I think he was missing the tooth. I think he was always missing the tooth.
00:43:22
Speaker
Bikini ladies, children, just very eclectic mix. I mean, I guess like free wrestling show, and like Hulk Hogan's gonna be there, right? He was in the graphic at the beginning of the show. Wait a minute, so for this show, this is Huntington Beach College, this is like LA? Why, so we're doing it like pretty early in the day, clearly. Why do we have all the- We get to have all the- West Coast, so maybe it's like five o'clock or something. Why do we need all the lighting?
00:43:52
Speaker
Does this go to nighttime? I don't know. I mean, if they did it like the normal pay-per-view time rate, it would start at seven or eight Eastern. So you start three or four Pacific. You know, it's probably to go to about seven Pacific. I don't know. Me and Chris got to get those airbrush nasty boys jackets. I think. I think. But like nasty fi us. I would love it. I would. I think. And I think we could pull the look off.
00:44:17
Speaker
Or maybe we can for Halloween, we'll do a little triple threat rock paper scissor to see which is the odd man out that has to be Max Payne.
00:44:32
Speaker
And the next time all of us go to an event where there's a star cast, obviously the three of us have to meet Nobz. Yeah, well, I mean, we're going to Hogan's Hideaway. Well, yeah, but it specifies no photos, no... I have a feeling Nobz is gonna do it. Who is that guy? Oh my goodness. Hell yeah. He's at the wrong beach event. He thinks that Tiffany's about to play. Exactly. He has...
00:45:02
Speaker
He was huffing nitrous in the park. He saw WCW Nitro and he read it as nitrous. And he did a lot of it. And he did so many canisters. Or he just saw Slim Jim on all the lines and he's like, yeah, I'll fuck that guy. That's his nickname. Yeah. I'll fuck that guy. Remember they used to do the shows in the Mall of America too? Those were like the first Nitro ever.
00:45:30
Speaker
I wish they would do more of that with. They should do more shows and malls because now it's just empty stores and revenue. And maybe a Panda Express in the background that's still running. And then like just coincidentally you'd see Virgil would just have a little table set up because he was just at that mall that day.
00:45:54
Speaker
we gotta meet knobs so so what's the nature of sherry's relationship with harlem heat here like uh is this uh purely a mentorship thing is it is it a little sexual i mean
00:46:11
Speaker
because I feel like there was always some strong implications that Sherry got around with, like I'm saying the character. Yeah, I'm not talking Sherry Martell the person. I'm talking sensational Sherry the character. It was always, you know, it seems like she was banging Sean Michaels, right? Like it seemed like, you know.
00:46:30
Speaker
I think with Harlem Heat, it's more about like, you have Harlem Heat against the nasty boys. You put a pretty lady outside, that's a distraction. Especially if she speaks to them, they're not used to that. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, this is definitely three, like I can see how they got here with the booking of like,
00:46:49
Speaker
Let's have the really big jacked black guys against the British guy and the fake British gimmick guy versus just the nasty boys. It's like you got all of your bases covered with your wrestling fan demographics. God, they got them packed in at this. This aerial shot like they've. Yeah.
00:47:13
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean, if memory serves, I want to say season one episode one of Bash at the Beach was either the first Hogan show or maybe it was like the first Hogan title defense. So this would be like pretty much exactly a year after Hogan had got there. So even though like we could talk about like the Alliance and Hulkamania, like Hogan definitely brought the viewers, right, relative.
00:47:42
Speaker
And obviously a year later they'd be even hotter once the NWO started, but maybe this does seem like they're beginning to really build something here. And again, 95 WWF is in the shitter. So this is kind of the beginning of like, I don't know exactly when the 82 weeks started. I think it was only after the NWO saga started, but like,
00:48:08
Speaker
So WWF at this time is still just- This is full-blown Monday Night Wars. This time is Monday Night- Yeah, I wanna say, Ross started like 93 or 94. I don't know when nature started, but I don't think it was that much after. It's just like, I don't remember being this early when I started watching wrestling every week, but I had to have been at this point.
00:48:31
Speaker
Yeah. And what I'm trying to think. So cause Luger famously or somewhat famously shows up at the first nitro. And I mean, when was his last appearance in WWF was yeah, probably like 90, like late 93 sounds about right. Maybe, maybe cause he's definitely out of there by 94. And they're like 94 is kind of when they start really moving to Brett Hart and Sean as like the focus guys. Okay. So,
00:48:58
Speaker
As the match has started, has anything immediately, okay, armpit spot? Although it is our normal nasty boys, we're just gonna start with some brawling and nothing has stood out as like, okay, this is off to a really bad start. No, I would say it's not off to as hot a start as the previous two matches we've seen, but it's fine, there's nothing.
00:49:24
Speaker
A lot more armpit action in this one. The other one, they were more serious. What if we've made a tactical error and the reason that this match is like 52 minutes long? And it's all knobs playing the face in peril. Can you imagine having one of those balcony seats for this? Sags has to hulk up. He just takes a Moderna shot. Nobody will know what it is for many years.
00:50:00
Speaker
You know, I saw that the federal Covid emergency officially ends on May 11th. The government didn't renew it. So the pandemic is officially over soon. I thought Biden said that already. I thought he said that like a few days ago. He's like, it's over. But no, but it ends. It officially legally ends on the 11th. So there are actual laws because obviously Covid's contract didn't get renewed.
00:50:23
Speaker
Yeah, it didn't get picked up. It wanted more money. Again, working with SAGs. So yeah, the pandemic's officially over next week. Maybe by the time you're hearing this. We still have an episode coming out. We're basically recording the day after we recorded. Not basically, literally. We did record yesterday. Holy shit.
00:50:47
Speaker
And now you're in my house. Can I say you're taller than I remember you being? Oh, because thank you. I don't know. It's a compliment. Sure. Because, you know, you and I mostly just see each other from like tits up. Sure. Yeah. We're a video screen. We're we're like Skip Bayless and I don't know whoever he talks with.
00:51:11
Speaker
Again, I'm not seeing anything offensively bad here. Like I do kind of wonder is like, does something happen? Or I would say his melts are just racist. But again, he seemed to love the match they had next next the next month with our meat and the nasties. I guess he just really hates Bobby Eaton.
00:51:30
Speaker
I think it really comes down to that the foreign heels really is effective on him. He doesn't know he's being worked. A foreigner in a match really gets him down, but he loves New Japan. Oregon, this is in California. Meltzer's from California. He's not necessarily near Huntington Beach, but I feel like he wanted some credentials maybe.
00:51:55
Speaker
And he's stuck at the back by fucking Slim Jim. And they're like, yeah, we don't actually give tickets out. You just show up at the beach and first come, first serve. And Melter's just pissing and moaning. Even though a very young Sean Ross Sapp got VIP up front. Yes.
00:52:17
Speaker
I think this just has too much face in penis and face in armpits for Dave Meltzer to take it seriously as a professional wrestling match. I will say that I had forgotten the armpit thing was a nasty boy staples. I don't think we saw it at all in the two good matches. No, because they look badass in those ones. Yeah. Well, maybe that was it.
00:52:37
Speaker
I think this is more what I thought a nasty boys match was going to be. And we started with like a couple kind of hot ones. But I feel like the nasties are kind of doing the same thing that they do. They're just not they're not necessarily getting the willing partners that are. And you'd think regal, right? Like they talk about the regal Finley matches where they just beat the living shit out of each other around this time frame. You'd think regal would all be about like just fucking abuse me.
00:53:09
Speaker
But maybe he just doesn't want the abuse from that. It's not worth it. You got to pick your spots. Well, maybe it's because he knows that Jerry Sags is the real Blue Blood here. Which by the way- He actually went Welsh accent. Next week on the show we're going to be watching through season one of the Tom Selleck show Blue Bloods. Yes.
00:53:46
Speaker
I mean, nothing spectacular has happened. No, it's not a good match. But to go negative is weird. Yeah, I'm not seeing the negative. This just seems fine. It just seems like a mid-card match. Sure, which is exactly what it is, right? This is dead middle of the show. I think Meltzer's there and he just doesn't like sand.
00:54:11
Speaker
He had, something bad happened, yeah. Like he packed, his mom made him a chicken salad sandwich. He got a little, it fell on the ground. A little bit of sand got in the wax paper. It got in his chicken salad, he's got some sand in his teeth and it just ruined his day. He wore sneakers on the beach too, because he didn't want people to see his feet. Sure. Got sand in his shoes, uncomfortable for three hours. They didn't put Dean Malenko on the card.
00:54:38
Speaker
And also, this pretty lady in a bikini was sitting on her boyfriend's shoulders in front of him. He couldn't see. He couldn't see. He couldn't see. Fuck, I hope this isn't 50 minutes where they're just like, we gotta fill up time, guys. Knobs. Keep the people smiling.
00:55:03
Speaker
I do actually remember Harlem Heat not being very good in the ring, because I remember liking them and thinking they were really kind of cool and they had a great look. Obviously the name is cool, the outfits are cool. But I remember them not being- Good promos I remember too. Yeah, I just remember them not being very good in the ring.
00:55:23
Speaker
But does that just fall onto Stevie Ray because I mean Booker T had a pretty good singles career. Yeah but after right. I mean people can like like Matthew McConaughey wasn't cranking out Oscar bait you know when he was in his 20s. So.
00:55:43
Speaker
Speaking of last night, I found out that over the weekend, McConaughey did a five and a half hour motivate. Did you watch John Oliver? I did. Yeah. Yeah. We got to get our hands on that tape. Yeah. That's our next. We got to start a Patreon just so that we can tell our wives there's a reason why we're doing this. You guys don't need to pay anything. We just need to start the Patreon. It'll be free.
00:56:12
Speaker
But you do have to be subscribed to see the weirder bullshit we wanna sell. And the nudie picks that we're gonna put, yeah. I mean, you're gonna get a weekly feet pick from one of us. This is like, some people wanna watch a bad movie, and you pick a movie that looks shitty, but it's just kinda boring.
00:56:39
Speaker
I'm not having a terrible time, but I'm not gonna remember this match. This is the wrestling match version of Dwayne Johnson's rampage. It's not so bad, it's good. It's not overtly offensive. It's just kind of there. It killed an afternoon and you got to drink a soda in a dark room. Exactly.
00:57:10
Speaker
God damn, just, the people are in the sun. There's a guy in the back, I think, in a Raiden hat from Mortal Kombat. Yeah, it was big back then. 95 is, that's Mortal Kombat peak, initial peak, I guess. Man, I wish I knew how long this match was. Yeah, I can't tell. It definitely has slowed down. I can find out real quick on Cage match.
00:57:39
Speaker
better if we don't know you're right I don't I cuz then we can also celebrate it if it kind of just abruptly ends like that might be melts or might not like it like I was chicken salad it's all sandy and then the match just ends
00:57:56
Speaker
A guy spilled a beer on him. The pretty lady never took her top off. I don't know if in 95 Meltzer had seen a boob yet. The most common sentence said to Meltzer's therapist. One day if you were at a Kmart, she didn't have to. What did you think Meltzer lost his virginity?
00:58:23
Speaker
Oh, man. Has it happened yet? Do you have a kid? I don't know. He is married, though, right? I'm pretty sure he's married. Dave, when did you lose your virginity? Well, I fingered a girl once at... No, no, no, no, no, Dave. We're talking PP&V here. And also, please don't tell me about any digits again.
00:58:54
Speaker
Man, like that's awful. I feel like last week we brought up Jimmy Lloyd as a sexual being, but like really thinking about Dave Meltzer, like an evening of fuck with Dave Meltzer. Oh, and especially he's super excited. Like I just imagine you're, you're like dating Dave Meltzer and like it's go time for him. Like he, that's all he has on his mind. And you're just like, Oh, fuck.
00:59:23
Speaker
like I can you imagine Dave Meltzer requesting you to position your body differently to do something that pleases I don't know man yeah
00:59:37
Speaker
I mean, he seems like an all right guy. I'd like to sure. I'd love to have a meal with him. I have a beer with him. But if somebody if somebody told me tomorrow a Dave Meltzer sex tape leaked, you know, I'd have it already like it. Yeah. But.
00:59:53
Speaker
So like I feel like like who who if there is a sex tape that that posted and it was Dave Meltzer and Taylor Swift. Oh I feel like it wouldn't get that downloaded because people would just be like oh Taylor Swift sex tape like I'll Google that and then they'd be like this guy did we what like no and just having to be on a news show like we'll probably be talking heads on CNN at that point where we're like
01:00:22
Speaker
Yeah, so to give you an idea, he gives a number of stars to matches, professional wrestling matches. And I'm like, if you want to see something more disturbing than him fucking this very successful young woman who could do much better, let me show you a photo of his office.
01:00:45
Speaker
So so then like just to circle back it's possible that Nick Wayne lost his virginity longer ago than Dave Meltzer. A hundred percent. Oh wait I think it just did it just literally wasn't even looking. We weren't even looking it just kind of ended suddenly the nasty boys apparently won the tag titles. I think with a splash. Oh wait but now the Harlem Heat are celebrating.
01:01:09
Speaker
Oh my god, this is why it's negative, because they got to restart it and figure out the winner. Oh god. Please don't. Wait. All right, we get a replay here, guys. Sure, that's what you want to do at a giant live show with lots of new wrestling fans. They're just here for the free beach show, is go to replay. Wait, do we not get the re- is this GCW? Yeah, like, here we go. Slim Jim Games.
01:01:42
Speaker
Okay. Thrown in. Nice kick from Booker T. Yeah. Would be one of his signatures. What do we get here? Okay. Back body drop onto a blue blood. Oh, that's a wait. Oh, so it's, they're both, but who's the legal man, right? There's not a legal man from each team.
01:02:05
Speaker
Well, that really is a quandary. That's something only a sags can figure out in a lab. It looks like the nasty boys, uh, fucked this one up. It looks like they won, but they sat on there. I think they weren't legal. They weren't the legal men. They weren't the, Oh, cause it's not a T right. Cause there's only two guys in legally. That's a good look on Tony Schiavone. That's a smart look. I don't want to see his thighs.
01:02:32
Speaker
Yeah, but you can tell that that's baby making Shivani. That's when Lois was pumping out those kids. That's a Tony Shivani that fucks. That's not what Dave Meltzer would play back then. That's a mean gene that fucks, too. Oh, God, yeah. And he's tucked into the shorts. He was kind of a pervert, right? I think so. I remember when the WWE Network, pretty much right off the top, got to do more reality shows. Sure. Lock Roddy Piper in a house.
01:03:00
Speaker
Right. With a bunch of booze. And I kind of remember Mean Jean being a bit of a horn dog. I do remember that. Legend says, yeah, I remember that being one of the takeaways. And that Hacksaw Duggan was not as wild and crazy a guy as I just assumed he was. Like kind of religious. Yeah, like kind of just very quiet. Did a lot of reading, wore glasses. He seems like a good dude. Anytime I've seen him at a convention, like he's giving too much away for free.
01:03:30
Speaker
I mean, maybe he got some of those tips from Sags. He's got a little Moderna money on the side. He got those deals with the juice inside. Like, you know, he got to get where the real money is. When he got caught doing cocaine with the Iron Sheik, that was actually early prototypes of the vaccine. He's still alive and well. He's still kicking.
01:03:57
Speaker
All right, man, well, I know you gotta get going. I do. I'm happy that you're in town and stopped by the house. This is fun. Yeah, and we might just cancel the podcast and just do watch-alongs full-time. I don't know how, I mean, I feel like we gotta vet them a little more than we did with this last one. I know it got us to Dave Meltzer fucking. It got us to Dave Meltzer as a non-sexual being and, you know, Mean Jean and Tony Schwanner being fuck machines, so... I'm happy. I'm happy with it. I think the work will stand for itself.
01:04:26
Speaker
I think this was a good hang. I'm happy this happened. I don't know if this is, we used to release, Derek and I used to release, along with the regular episodes, occasionally a bonus zone episode. That could be, if you ever, like, I remember, I feel like, like, early talks with you, I was like, you should do two different, you should do predetermined, and then you should do a pro wrestling hangout, like, that's two different things. This was definitely a pro wrestling hangout. The subtitle was well earned today. And the couch we're sitting on, basically the couch from the, uh, the, the flyer. Oh, okay.
01:04:56
Speaker
Nice. Yeah, you're on it. I feel honored. Yeah, you're on Jesus Christ. All right, man. Well, thanks for stopping by. Great for having me. Thanks for the chicken. Yeah, although it was you did not use the spices. No, that was I didn't know if you were going to be here in time. Yeah. And it just so happened that it was like right. We were getting ready to eat right around the time you came. So.
01:05:18
Speaker
Sure, I should have seasoned some vegetables or something with the vegetable. Yeah next time next time I'm in I'm in I'm in the area Usually every like once a quarter or so. So I'm sure I'll be back probably before the end of the summer Sounds good. All right, everybody. Thanks for hanging out at pre-determined podcast on Instagram at Jimmy facts at Gartet at Chris Migs Hey, have a good week in our goddamn music
01:06:15
Speaker
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