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AEW Revolution 2024
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A PPV so good it brought the boys back out of hibernation. Sting was great, Kyle O'Reilly was weird, Will Ospreay knows his shapes and Garrett writes Toy Story 5.
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Return from Break: Hosts' Humor and 90s Nostalgia
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predeterminate Pro Wrestling Hangout. Garrett Calendar, Chris Miggs, Jimmy Fax, the boys are back in town.
00:00:46
Speaker
It has been a minute, boys. We basically came and did an episode saying, we turned six and then disappeared for weeks. Well, when people turn six, they tend to be fairly unreliable. I have a daughter who's about to be six. You can't trust her to do the same thing every week, unless you drag her kicking and screaming into a car to swim class. And no one was dragging us kicking and screaming into cars to podcast in class.
00:01:15
Speaker
We've basically been doing a lot of pants pissing and rewatching Frozen on a loop. And trolls band together. Oh, man, I haven't seen it yet. Oh, it's a banger. The first two are, and I say that completely unironically. I loved the first two. If you enjoyed boy band music from the 90s and who doesn't? Who doesn't?
00:01:41
Speaker
And again, like we were talking about before air, boy band music from the 90s, basically the equivalent to the Beatles with our parents. Basically the same. The same.
Toy Story 5 Plot and Wrestling Anecdotes
00:01:52
Speaker
Just speaking of cartoons, actually, while I was tucking Ozzy into bed tonight, I wrote Toy Story 5.
00:02:03
Speaker
So when I go to put him into bed, I put him in the crib and read him some stories while he's in there. But before I do that, I walk around his room and pick up the toys that he's scattered everywhere and put them back in a bin. One of the toys I picked up was my Hulk Hogan wrestling buddy that he plays with. From back in the day. From back in the day. Yeah.
00:02:26
Speaker
And it's nice to see him out. And as I sat Hulk down, I came up with the plot, which is Hulk Hogan toy doesn't understand why no one plays with him because he wasn't canceled. The man was. Right. Yeah. Now, who do we get to do the Hogan doll's voice? Because you can't get Hogan. That's just to.
00:02:53
Speaker
I just watched Nomio and Juliet with Ozzy. Fucking, that movie has Judi Dench and Hulk Hogan in the same movie. Hulk Hogan voices a lawnmower. I thought you were gonna say, let's get Judi Dench to play the Hogan doll, which I'm on board for. Yeah, I like it. I like it.
00:03:12
Speaker
Or maybe actually, you know, who would make a good Hogan voice for a Toy Story five? Mr. T, I'd love to see a Mr. T. He's not dead, right? No, he's still alive. Yeah, not alive as well. Not at all. Not that we're aware of. Yeah.
90s Wrestling Nostalgia and Toy Story Narratives
00:03:29
Speaker
I got worried when you said that, like I kind of was racking my brain like Mr. T with us.
00:03:35
Speaker
I hear Vax Googling right now and soaking the listeners. He's 71, meaning he's apparently one year younger than Virgil was?
00:03:46
Speaker
Which bitch Virgil. But like that seems so wrong, right? That Virgil could possibly be even one day older. Like I think Virgil should be substantially younger than Mr. G. Mr. G was born in 52. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. He's 30 and 82. That's right around the 18 probably.
00:04:06
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. WrestleMania one, he's like 33. That's prime. How old is that? That's like Logan Paul age, right? I mean, or those. Yeah. No, I honestly, I, again, I'm just dating myself here that the math actually all checks out. Like, cause I was going to be like, no way. Mr. T would have been like at least 30 during the eight team. And yet, no, he was. And he's 71 now he's, he's the same age as my dad or a little bit, a little bit, a couple months younger.
00:04:32
Speaker
him and my dad played each other in basketball at some point in high school. Cause I guess there was like some basketball tournament and he was from a Chicago team. And my dad was from a middle of Illinois team. I don't know. That's what I hear. Who won? Do we know? No way did Mr. T not beat my dad's ass. I mean, that's what I was imagining here. I was wondering if it was a weird, like Hoosiers like story here, your dad tells.
00:05:02
Speaker
unless that was a whole team of Larry birds. I feel like the Chicago team beat the small town Midwest team. Yeah. I actually, I like
Garrett's Travel Struggles and Wrestling Dedication
00:05:11
Speaker
that. I like the plot Garrett and I feel like you can expand it with other like canceled, you know, characters or problematic characters, right? Like, um, like stewardess Barbie. And it's like girls are supposed to dream bigger now. I'm sorry. Uh,
00:05:29
Speaker
that no one wants to play as me anymore. They all want to be Dr. Barbie.
00:05:34
Speaker
And then you do a bit where they're like emptying out grandma's attic and just like one of those really like literally over a hundred year old blackface dolls falls out. And even those toys are like, nope, nope, nope. Not touching this. If you had just a room full of 80s wrestling action figures, it would just be like old beaten down men doing drugs around a card table playing Uno.
00:06:05
Speaker
There's just Nord and Pez that they find. I was like they do that all the GI Joes are just ashamed of what they've done. They're just trying they're trying to wash the blood off their hands but since it's painted on the plastic it can't come off.
00:06:23
Speaker
And the current toy in the room that no one will tell anything to is the PAW Patrol guy. Like the dog, he is always out of the loop on what's going on with the other toys. He is definitely a snitch, 100%. Class traitors. He's watched that show, yeah. Total snitch.
00:06:41
Speaker
Fuck. Man, so there's a pretty fucking good pay-per-view last night at the time of this record. A great pay-per-view. Yeah, you went, right? You said you were driving the six hours or whatever? Yeah, we were joking last week, right? Because you were going to drive six hours and I was going to go fewer than six subway stops to the wrestling show I went to last week. Right, right, right. I did that. I assume you did too, Garrett.
00:07:06
Speaker
Yeah, I bought a ticket last weekend, decent, I think it was second row in the upper level, not a terrible seat in a venue that size. Solid. Yeah, there were basically only single seats left and spent all week being excited about it. And then, I don't know, you ever feel pretty sick where you're just like, I'm not sick at all right now, but I can tell it's coming?
00:07:32
Speaker
Yeah, every time I get sick, I feel like I get pretty sick. When you get real sick, that's when that happens. Like when you're sick for a week, you get that pre-sick day.
00:07:39
Speaker
That's that one where it's like, I could tell it was gonna fuck me. So I immediately started taking everything I could take, and then got really sick on Saturday, but was so fucking determined. Because, I don't know, Fax and I were kind of talking about this, Chris, before you hopped on. This would have been a seven hour drive for me. And he was saying, like, can you imagine if you had had to drive seven hours to go see World's End?
00:08:06
Speaker
That would have been dark. That would have been very dark. Yeah. But last night's show was great. So worth it.
00:08:13
Speaker
Yeah, totally worth it. So, real sick Saturday. Sunday morning I woke up at seven a.m. because I had to hit the road sometime before eight to make sure that I got there on time, like accounting for stopping and everything. I drove for about two hours and just like, it got to the point where keeping my eyes open was so difficult.
00:08:39
Speaker
that I was like, fuck, I can I can probably fight this for five more hours. But then what happens once I get to my seat? Like when once I'm in this building for like six hours tonight. Right. What quality of life do I have there?
Wrestler Health and Aging, Mr. T and Sting
00:08:55
Speaker
Well, you get to be the star of the next big super spreader event. So that would. Yeah, that's cool because we don't wear masks anymore. So that's but.
00:09:05
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I've definitely been there on the eye. And that happened to me once when I was much younger on the flip side where I did exactly what you're describing, not quite as long, but it was like a four hour drive. And then I remember I did the show and then I remember like going to the parking lot and being like, oh, no. Oh, no. Now I have to drive back. Like this is going to be treacherous. And like I literally thought I almost ran off the road falling like asleep at the wheel. Basically, yeah, I hit the two hour mark and then just had my moment where it's like,
00:09:36
Speaker
two hours back seems so much more doable than five hours forward. And I'm not gonna lie, turning around, I almost cried. I like wanted to cry on that drive back. I felt so defeated. And you know when I wanted to cry even more? When it was such a good...
00:09:56
Speaker
Yeah, and you know what? And it's great. It's not even 24 hours later as we're recording this. And you seem pretty okay. So my theory is Kyle O'Reilly is your kryptonite. And as you got closer, you just felt more and more ill. And then as soon as you started driving away from Kyle O'Reilly, or maybe Roderick Strong is both of your kryptonites. And that's why Kyle O'Reilly looked like he had been locked as a vampire's thrall for the last year.
00:10:26
Speaker
Well, he had only gotten a little of my energy. I didn't get close enough for him to get very much. But last night he touched Roddy. So God willing, like Roddy might be dead by Wednesday. I don't know. Like he's going to look fucked. Kyle O'Reilly would have come back like six months ago, but he had to finish the AEW fight forever season mode. He had to know what happened at the end.
00:10:52
Speaker
And he really, he really wanted to unlock Cody. What can I say? Yeah, Adam Cole. We joke about how Adam Cole just keeps getting hurt. It's because he worked out with Kyle once. For real, but like last night, he looked like he was cosplaying COVID. Like what the fuck? What happened to him? He's been gone. I didn't realize this two years.
00:11:18
Speaker
that motherfucker's been gone. It's been two years? That's what I read today, two years. Does it feel like you've been missing Kyle O'Reilly for two years? I mean, it doesn't feel like it's been two years since I was forced to watch Bobby Fish, although again, I did have to watch Bobby Fish last Thursday, so. So pretty soon you're gonna look like COVID. Yes. Bobby Fish definitely gave me COVID.
00:11:44
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, this has got to be a bummer even as you're turning back because like, yeah, the the pay per view Chris and I went to last time was pretty man. Still pay per view. Still a good show. But like in expectations. But this is one thing because it stings last match. So even if the match some of the matches under deliver, like you still know there's one sure fire thing that will that will land no matter what, even if the actual matches dog shit, like it's going to be worth being in the building.
00:12:10
Speaker
So that had to be the bummer, because even in real time, you're like, at the very least, I'm missing this like amazing event
Sting's Impact and Farewell in Wrestling
00:12:17
Speaker
of like one of the legit like immortals of pro wrestling. Also, Sting went through glass last night, Garrett. And yeah, you can laugh at it in person. He did that for me. For you. And after he did it, he looked up to section 215, row B, seat 14 and saw it empty.
00:12:41
Speaker
He actually in the original script, instead of his sons, Wolfpack Sting and the Stinger was supposed to be you and Derek. That was the original plan. So I can't believe they're not here. They were they were my choice. And they're like, well, who else is, you know, in about that age just in the building? I guess my sons can do it. My dipshit sons. They fit the costumes, I guess they can barely.
00:13:11
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Very loosely. Yeah, this was going to be my my little treat to myself. It's been a weird couple of weeks. I'm kind of waiting to find out if I join facts in the the the C Club Club C. It's not a great club. It's not a great club. I mean, some cool people have been in that club. Don't get me wrong. Service is really bad. Service is bad in the cancer club. Yeah, it's bad.
00:13:40
Speaker
It's well, I get to like get that cum dust or whatever you had. I mean, you got it. Hopefully you can only hope. Right. That is going to be that'll be like my mood is green mist that. Yeah. Well, I think I actually think what might have been a side effects I did. It's the MLW show last week. Sammy Callahan was on the show. And if you notice how thick Sammy Callahan spit is, it's gross. Biscuits. And it really. Yeah. It made me think. I think he spits come.
00:14:11
Speaker
I think that's what I think that's what's happening to him. Come spitter. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's just spitting jizz moves. I think his own. But yeah, I know again, when I found out about my thing, it was it was the because of the issue with the urethra, I think it was. It was basically coming inside. So like the come, if it goes somewhere else, it has to be not coming from somewhere else. So does Sammy Callan do penis cocaine?
00:14:41
Speaker
And just that, that hole is now reserved for cocaine and therefore the com has to come out somewhere else. That would explain it. That's just science.
00:14:49
Speaker
Yeah. You bring in that up though with Sammy, Chris. I have thought that for years that Sammy has like the thickest, whitest spit and it's never made sense to me. And I don't know that anyone's ever asked him about it in an interview. Should we start bringing guests? Like should, do they want to come on the show? I don't know how busy Sammy Callahan is. I, he might.
00:15:17
Speaker
I mean, we have to meet at one time. We are pretty serious podcast journalists. Yeah. So. We are speaking of. I don't. Callahan had after an impact show and he hugged me. So, you know, spit in your mouth. He did not spit in my mouth. MJF spat in my mouth. That was saliva, though. That was not Chiz. Yeah. Beautiful saliva on that MJF. Even back then.
00:15:40
Speaker
Uh, just in case any listener was like, did he, I don't currently have it. Um, but I have done tests. I'm waiting to find out the results of those tests. And it's been like a couple of week thing and I'm hoping the answer's no, but right now I do feel like Jonathan Taylor Thomas in that episode of home improvement.
00:16:01
Speaker
where I think it was a two part or even where he's like, am I going to die, dad? And they're like, find out next week. He didn't. So I'm hoping to be just like JTT in that episode of Home Improvement.
Analyzing Wrestling Matches and Storytelling
00:16:13
Speaker
That's right. You're both going to make it to Korn's first album coming out. Yeah.
00:16:23
Speaker
Well, you know, maybe you and I'll hold hands because I just had my last round of testing on Friday, my latest round of testing, I should say. But, you know, for me, since, you know, it's like every three months I got to do this. I don't have any particular cause for concerns.
00:16:38
Speaker
It seems like best case scenario, I just end up having to get tested every few months. Cause this comes from that weird spleen thing a while back where they like, I thought I had a hernia, then they gave me a scan. I had mommy spleen and now they say it could be something with my liver that's making my spleen do this. I took all my blood and they took so much blood and I didn't get to give it in like a fun way. Like I would have preferred to gig and just,
00:17:07
Speaker
They didn't like a plane of glass and just like just go to your back. Darby exploded, guys. He only got stitches. Did you see that? He only got 12. No, that is that is what Mr. Brian Alvarez I saw on I believe it was Twitter might have been YouTube. I literally just saw it right before I joined the recording.
00:17:28
Speaker
One of AEW's in-house photographers, Ryan Loco, who's a really great photographer, he's taken a lot of great shots, has a photo, if you haven't seen it on Instagram, go check it out. And it's like a four-part thing of Darby from the top of the ladder to through the glass. And that last shot, Darby and everything has exploded. Everything has exploded. Nick Jackson is running like it's an action movie and he's like off the fire.
00:17:58
Speaker
It's incredible. And I do have confirmation. Yeah, it was Brian Alvarez on Wrestling Observer Live said Alan only needed 12 stitches. That's fucking crazy, dude. Like the he must have went in the back and stole a bunch of Ric Flair's blood thinners before he did that spot. You mean blue energy? We had just normal blue energy. Thins your blood. Yeah. I'm interested because I I love that Darby is basically like
00:18:27
Speaker
Sting, you're like a father to me. So I'm gonna go out here and I'm basically gonna kill myself for your last match. And like his other kids are like, dad, we got you this mug. Says, what a great career, world's best retired wrestler, eh? Eh? We painted our face like you, we're gonna do some crappy splashes.
00:18:51
Speaker
I feel like he's my real son now. They do that. And then like they're lining up to go out. And then Sting is standing like a foot or two in front of his sons like right before the entrance. And Sting just looking forward at the curtain, you know, his sons on each flank, not looking back. And he just goes to I think it was Steve Junior. The one dressed as the stinger. He just goes without making eye contact. He just goes out.
00:19:15
Speaker
Yes, Steve, the pants don't quite fit. Maybe pull them up a little bit. And then, like, the music hits. And just, like, that's all he gets. After, like, Darby, he, like, hugs and he's like, I love you.
00:19:32
Speaker
He's like, Steve Junior, Steve Junior, maybe pull up the pants a little more. I can see your gut over the jacket. Me, Fax and Derek were in a text thread talking about his sons. They just would not go away. Like what happened that made them be there so long?
00:19:53
Speaker
They're like, can we do it again? And they're like, no, go, go. We've got a whole match, guys. A whole match for you. That match was 21 minutes and three seconds. And I feel like his sons were there for 20 minutes of it. Like, they just would not disappear. Like, we were so excited. And it was like, yes, it's a tornado tag. There's like not really a lot of rules to this. Get these two the fuck out of here. This is like, I don't give a shit.
00:20:18
Speaker
I think it was, you know, because Tony Khan, you know, he thinks of family and stuff like that. So he's going to let Sting do whatever Sting wants. Right. And I think Sting earlier in the week told them that they were out of the will and that he's leaving all of his vast fortunes to Darby. And so they were pretty bummed. And then he was just like, all right, I mean, I'm not a monster. You can you can come out, but you have to dress like me.
Creative Wrestling Narratives and Family Legacies
00:20:43
Speaker
You have to dress like me during some of my darker times when I was doing a lot of drugs and cheating on your mom. So was surfer sting? I see that one of his son's names is Garrett. Two R's, two T's represent. I don't mean a lot of others. So he was surfer sting.
00:21:02
Speaker
I thought he was the other one because I thought Steve Junior I thought was the bigger guy because he's the one that played tight end. Garrett was the one that looked like Pete Dunn dressed up as Stan. He had pretty big arms. I think so. That's fucking. I'll check the facts. Yeah, no. That's what I'm seeing.
00:21:28
Speaker
Garrett's are disappointing and you can ask my dad, you can ask other Garrett's dad and not, I'm not, my dad and Sting being like, we fucked up. No, no, no. You know what? I think you're right. I think, I think actually Garrett was surfer Sting. Okay. And I think Steve Junior, Steve Junior was the tight end, but apparently it was the other one. So Garrett though, you know, you know what you got to do here. Never,
00:21:58
Speaker
Never meet your dad's work friend, Darby. It's just gonna go badly for you. Right. So should we hop into this show?
00:22:13
Speaker
I mean, this show, this show also just like at the high level, the actual sting stuff was incredible. It hit absolutely every note you'd want to. The bucks were virtues and we'll go deeper in. But I would just say the others like this show didn't need to do anything else. If you should just did that, it was worth it. It was worth $50. It was worth, you know, potentially dying in a car over. But.
00:22:36
Speaker
It's so over delivered that like I put this in our text thread that was going on at the same time as the Derek text thread. I think this was the most like this was worth $50. I think I've ever felt from an AEW show, even though I don't think it was the best peer wrestling show.
00:22:56
Speaker
I think it was a very good pure wrestling show and I think it was the most worth $50, like completely satisfied, no notes. Like give me this every three months. I'm a very happy boy. I would say I think the only two other options there for that honor are double or nothing 2020, just because nothing felt more good in like the darkest part of the pandemic than like wrestling and stadium stampede.
00:23:21
Speaker
And all in 2021, which none of this group of us paid $50 for because we were at the show. But I feel like I came out of that show and just like wanted to like run like I could have I could have run a marathon in Schomburg off the energy and high from that show.
00:23:41
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. And it does also make me wonder if this show was on a Saturday, if I might have gotten there, because like I was I remember texting you guys. I'm like, I I haven't been sleeping. Well, like it's Sunday night. I got work like I had a doctor's appointment before work. Like I didn't even think I was going to make it through the whole show. I thought I was going to finish it on today, on Monday. But it was just so good that I didn't. But like still when the show was over, I was pretty pumped. You kind of threw out there. We should just record right now. And I was like, I kind of want to, but I know I shouldn't. And like.
00:24:11
Speaker
I do feel like though if it was a Saturday instead of a Sunday and I didn't have work the next day, I feel like I might've gotten pretty hype and been up till like four in the morning just watching old Sting matches or something. So I'm looking through the other two shows you said, Chris, just because I agree with you. Like I do remember like both absolutely worth $50 for a pay-per-view. I think
00:24:36
Speaker
last night's was such a complete card of no skip bangers. Like, the only one I would've...
00:24:45
Speaker
like on paper in my head going to the arena before I turned around and ate a really gross Bucky's breakfast burrito. The only match I pictured as a bathroom break for me was gonna be the Christian match, which opened the show and left me no room to want to go to the bathroom again. Not even a bad match by any means. I mean the Meat Boy match,
00:25:09
Speaker
Was one was fun. It wasn't a good match, but it was fun and it would have been better if it was just a meat boy match. I don't know why they put the skinny boys in there and like you want to make it the boys in Jericho. That's fine. Have them all beat up Jericho. If you got to put Jericho somewhere, that's a pretty good place to put Jericho. But like, why do you put Titan there? Why do you put a hook there? I don't really understand. And I know there were a couple of guys that that were supposed to be in it that weren't, but like just kind of a really weird
00:25:39
Speaker
If it's supposed to be Wardlow is the king of the meat boys, like you should probably have all meat. And the fact that he pinned a non meat boy to win it left it left a little sour, but it was fun. And I've never seen any wrestler enjoy their job more than Lance Archer was during that match. He was having a great time. You know, you know who has having an even better time, though? Darby Allen when he got to explode through glass. Yeah, that's true. Been begging TK to let him do that for a while.
00:26:08
Speaker
Sting's like, come on, TK, it's my last match. Darby's been asking you for three years. Like, okay, okay, okay. No, maybe that's why Sting went through glass. He's like, listen, T. I think he calls him T. Listen, Mr. T. Me and Darby are both going to do glass spots, but come on, it's me. It's Sting. I'm 60-something. Like, obviously, this isn't going to be a crazy glass spot, but I'm going to go through glass. Darby's going to go through glass. Nothing to worry about.
00:26:37
Speaker
TK was probably like, okay, cool. And then Sting is like, I got him. I didn't say we were doing the same spot. I just said we're both doing glass spots. Also, the Bucks got to super kick like all of the legends. Yeah. The perfect angle where they really just nailed Ric Flair in the face was just
00:26:58
Speaker
Chef's kiss, just perfect. And then I didn't even catch it on the first viewing. And then somebody I saw online and I had to immediately go back to the replay and watch it, that I think it's Matt saying, I'm not sorry, I hate you. I hate you. That is just such a beautiful touch.
00:27:18
Speaker
Seriously, look at this photo that Tag sent us today of Ric Flair. Like that is a corpse. That is a deceased man sniffing the bottom turnbuckle in a pile of glass. Honestly, that's that's how I would describe how Ric Flair looks these days is like when you have that distant uncle and you used to see him every Thanksgiving when you were a kid, but then you haven't seen him for five years and then he dies and you go to the funeral and you're like, I mean, yeah, like that's
00:27:47
Speaker
I guess that's the same guy, like, but he doesn't really look like the guy I remember. That's Ric Flair. That's the exact position a corpse in a casket is in. In a suit. In his very shiny suit. The Bucks, I will say, you know, lots of love for Darby. Sting was awesome. The Bucks were phenomenal. And like the fact that they took their PWG tornado tag match
00:28:12
Speaker
that they did against like fucking like Kevin Steen and Super Dragon and they main evented in front of 16,000 people against Sting in his last match was beautiful. Like down to by the way, they took the PWG match, including Rick Knox. Yeah. They just brought Rick Knox with them.
00:28:32
Speaker
It really, that was a match that I would have not expected that to be what Sting's final match would be. A match that transported me back to American Legion Hall in Reseda, California. You're right, that totally felt like in a match I saw them do against World's Cutest tag team.
00:28:53
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, but think about it. If you're like a 13 year old AEW fan and you don't actually really know the old Sting body of work, like you've probably heard the name, you know, he's like a legend, but like you don't really know Sting that well. And you only really know like maybe the Seth Rollins match in this AEW run.
00:29:13
Speaker
That's just like Sting just keeps getting better and better. It's like that is very on brand with the matches. Sting has been been wrestling and they said they were what, like 19 and 0. So I guess he wrestled 19 matches, 19 tag matches with Darby and then obviously some six men's and stuff. So let's call it like 25, 30 matches total over what, three years. And
00:29:37
Speaker
I mean, they were all pretty, like Sting, he had a few things that made us laugh, individual things, but none of the matches overall were embarrassing. Yeah, I think this is, if you just put together a comp of all the AEW Sting matches, it's surprisingly watchable, I bet. I bet you could like go through that. And again, there were some funny moments that would add some levity.
00:29:58
Speaker
when you've watched your, like, 15th match in a row and you're just like, that one's funny, though. So let's get to the hard hitting question for Garrett is we're because I know what my opinion was. Were you rooting that there would be a gaffe and you get one final? Hello, Al Sting moment, or were you like, you know what? Let's be respectful. I don't want the stinger. You know, he's made me laugh enough. Let's let him end with with his head hang. Why? I did. I for sure wanted him to go out with a bang.
00:30:28
Speaker
I got my laugh out of Ric Flair and I got my laugh out of Darby. Every time the camera cut to his back and there was just more and more blood seeping out of him, I couldn't stop laughing because that spot
00:30:40
Speaker
I feel like we see way worse spots in GCW or ICW. I mean, now his was so bad. Well, but I think it's like you technically see spots with like more stuff or it seems like it has more intention like lethality, but like just the speed because he like launches himself up. So like the velocity he was going when the high tech class. But that's what I'm saying is.
00:31:04
Speaker
Just, you know, mass times acceleration, right? Like gravity and all, like he was, I just don't think I've ever seen. So I think that might be the highest exit velocity we've seen on a wrestler's body hitting an object that chatters.
00:31:19
Speaker
And usually the glass has somewhere to go. All those chairs were touching. So the glass only had into his back or in the metal. It wasn't like it was being held up in between like a table. It was just one. It braced it not at all. All it did is make him bleed and then he hit the ground just as hard as he would have otherwise.
00:31:41
Speaker
Yeah. This isn't like the Rikishi off the cage where, you know, he's landing on a bunch of cardboard boxes. Like he got fucked. Yeah. I mean, that's an interesting sort of through line, I think, of some of the great AWW paper views of the last, especially of the last year or so, because like, just like the level they've gone to, you look at like the mocks and the hangman swerve and hangman, um,
00:32:07
Speaker
It's kind of an interesting, I don't know, I think it's an interesting thing where they've been able to reach that level a couple of times that it's been really something, right? And memorable, right? They've been able to keep the really absurd spots to a minimum in other places so that they pop when they go to them on pay-per-view, which is actually kind of a, I think a strong statement for how well they book those things.
00:32:37
Speaker
which is very cool to me in this situation that Sting goes out on not like an old man retirement match. He goes out in a very modern what wrestling currently is match or like a popular version of wrestling. And I was having a conversation with a friend over the weekend, can you think of another wrestler
00:33:02
Speaker
that went out at his age that was still doing it at this high of a level. Like, I don't know. Jericho's what, like a 10 years younger and he's not at that level, right? Like Jericho's pretty solid for someone his age, despite how much we make fun of him. But like, I don't know. I think the Stinger, if you look at like Meltzer snowflakes for PPV matches, I got a feeling the Stinger's got a much higher hit rate than Jericho.
00:33:30
Speaker
Yeah. I'm trying to think of when like the last great, like how old was Terry Funk for his last great match. Um, but I think he was sub 60 when he had the last like great one, at least that I'm aware of. Um, but like funk funk is like only the first team that's bringing some mind. A lot of them, I mean, I guess Sean's last match, but Sean was a lot younger, right? I mean, how old was Sean when that final match happened?
00:34:00
Speaker
I don't even know, but yeah, because that last match with Taker is pretty good. He's probably comparable to Sting's age, right? Him and Sting are probably similar ages now. Actually, he's younger. He's currently 58. Holy shit. Yeah, so that makes sense. Yeah, but that means that last match was at his mid 40s. Yeah. So that's I mean, that's nothing in terms of.
00:34:25
Speaker
You brought up Jericho, but think about how frequently Jericho wrestles too. Sting is a little more protected. He didn't have to take... That being said, Sting took some fucking crazy bumps. He just wasn't taking them every week.
00:34:42
Speaker
You know, but that's like, that's a pretty strong way to end a career and to think like overall just have a strong beginning to end career that ends on a high note, like a super memorable last match, like a good match even. Yeah, a match that people will want to watch for like positive reasons. I mean, it's certainly, again, certainly if he's not the best, he's, it was one of the greatest matches ever wrestled by someone over 60.
00:35:11
Speaker
Gotta be top five, right? I mean, at worst. At worst, yeah. Like, I don't even know who, I'm trying to think like who my friend said. He said maybe Muda, but even I think Muda's later matches like weren't on the same level as what Sting had been putting out. Yeah, so just let's put this into context. So when I think of great old man wrestler, I think Minoru Suzuki, right? He is the greatest angry old man wrestler possibly of all time.
00:35:41
Speaker
is nine years younger than Sting. So do you think Minoru Suzuki, nine years from now, will be capable of having that match? I don't think so. And I love him. He is one of my favorite wrestlers in the universe. And I don't think so. Part of it, though, is I do think he would have a different match. And I do think nine years from now, Suzuki will be capable of a great match. But it'd be a different kind of great match. So it'd be hard to compare.
00:36:10
Speaker
How old was Liger during his last match? Ooh, that's a good question. So I just like that Muda's only 61, so he's three years younger. He's three years younger than Sting. Uh, Jush and Liger, let's do it. The Rock and Roll Express were in their 60s for the end, and again, nothing was quite at that level. They were in pretty good shape. So Liger is 59 now. No. So he was what, what, 57 in his last run? No, even a little younger, because it was 2019, I think.
00:36:39
Speaker
Oh, was it 2019? Yeah, so. It's like five years. Yeah, he's he he he retired January 5th. Yeah. The Tokyo Dome 2020. Not January 6th. He had places to be that day. So different answers sting like I'm
Young Bucks' Influence and AEW Highlights
00:37:02
Speaker
not saying like stings the greatest to ever do it, but as far as longevity and quality in a career,
00:37:10
Speaker
I mean, I don't, that's hard to beat. Well, you know who I think the good analogs and I don't personally think that they're going to be remembered in wrestling history on like the star level of staying, but I think when you look at Edge and Christian, right? And I think obviously Shawn Michaels had some similarities too, but not to the same extent. Things, circumstances for it were different, but both of them were guys that took time off.
00:37:32
Speaker
Right. And then, you know, Stings was just, I'm not going to work for Vince. And therefore, you know, I'm just going to be unemployed, rich guy for a while. Whereas obviously, Edge and Christian both had injury issues and stuff like that. Sean Michaels, same thing. Sean Michaels was just one big gap, obviously, you know, but I think Edge's gap was longer than Michael's, right? I think I remember hearing that, which it blew my mind, but I think it's true. It sounds about right. It's like eight or nine years, I think, for Edge.
00:37:58
Speaker
Yeah, so I think that that's a big thing, because that's the other thing is if you look at Edge and Christian, yeah, maybe it's your bathroom match, but that's more because of who he's going against. I mean, I love Danny Garcia, but there's no suspense. Danny Garcia is not winning the TNT title from Christian, right? Christian's on such a ball.
00:38:16
Speaker
Though to his credit, you did even comment last night like, fuck, this crowd really loves Danny Garcia. Oh, yeah, I love Danny Garcia, too. But that's what I was actually hyped for that match. I thought it was a little weird to go on first. But like, but I'm just saying is like, I think we take for granted, like, Christian's really good. You know, like Christian is and how old is he? He's like he's like 50, right? Mm hmm. I think over he is 50 on the nose. So, yeah, I mean,
00:38:45
Speaker
I could see Christian and Edge a dozen years from now. They have their last match against each other or the two of them against the young Bucks and and then they also bring out Sting's sons. Super. That would be. Can you imagine? I mean, young, young Bucks, edging Christian 10 years from now, I probably would still fucking pay for that because the Bucks are are young. You know what I mean? Like Nick's only in this like early 30s. It's crazy how young Nick Jackson is.
00:39:15
Speaker
Yeah, he's- How good did it make the Bucks look though? The Bucks have a lot of haters right now. How good did it look for them that the EVPs let Stinger go over in his final match and go out on top?
00:39:33
Speaker
Well, I think all the haters gotta be eating shit with these entire characters, because they're just great television. It's just, it's funny, it's great. They had the great match. Like, who are the, does anyone actually think the EVPs are like, I don't know, fuck them. There are people out there, but I'm with you. One of the wrestling opinions I am least willing to suffer from others is like Young Bucks Hate.
00:40:02
Speaker
I just think they're great. And if you can't kind of go like, yeah, I don't, maybe I don't like the matches that much, but they're, these guys get this and they're, they're, they're pretty good at what they do. I'm, I'm generally not tolerant of that opinion. I think they're just so good. And again, everyone, you cup of tea, right? And there's people who are good that I just don't enjoy on a certain level. Um, and I can recognize, Hey, not my thing, you know, but with the bucks, I feel like there's so many people that want to talk down on them and like, they're,
00:40:30
Speaker
Again, one of the greatest tag teams of all time. Top, maybe top one at worst, like top three or five. I think there's a pretty strong argument for them at top one at this point. And like, and I think that they're not that far away from, they're not being an argument anymore. Right? Like, like kind of like Tom Brady, where it's like Peyton Manning retired and then he won like three more Super Bowls. And we're just like, yeah, they're, even if I hate Tom Brady, there's really not an argument.
00:40:58
Speaker
He's the best quarterback of all time by a lot. And just, I have to live, like that's the young bucks. They're Tom Brady of tag team wrestling. Yeah. And cause again, I mean that match they had last night is going to be part of the argument. You know, that's the thing. It's like they got a crazy body of work and they just added a huge piece to it last night. Yeah. It was just them, a 63 year old man and a young boy. They threw through some glass.
00:41:24
Speaker
Yes. The young boy threw himself through some glass. I want to I want that to be on record to the jury. By the way, we haven't even talked about the actual best wrestling match of the night. And honestly, it's definitely started match of the year fever. I will put 100 American dollars on the line if somebody wants to take me a bet, take a bet that there will not be a better match at WrestleMania. I will put that 100 crisp 100 on the line right now.
00:41:54
Speaker
Because this ain't happening. Will Ospreay, take a shita, that it was just dope. It was just fucking dope. All I wanted was for them to have a match without a screw job finish. That's all I wanted and I thought it would be really great. It so far exceeded. Will Ospreay, if he just never talked and they got him a Captain Lou or something and made him a baby face, he literally could be Hogan.
00:42:23
Speaker
He's Kenny Omega, but with a lot less miles on his body, although obviously he's doing his his damnedest to put those miles on now. But like he's he that's basically the way I describe it. It's like if Kenny if like the Kenny Omega that had the first Okada match in the Tokyo Dome.
Will Ospreay's Wrestling Skills and Potential
00:42:40
Speaker
If that if that Kenny was able to be in modern American wrestling in front of modern American arenas, I think that's what Osprey's and Osprey's younger than Kenny was then. But obviously, you know, has some wear and tear on his body. Yeah, more after last night. Yeah, visibly after one spot in particular. Yeah, that was an instant like on the day I did watch the
00:43:10
Speaker
Shit, I wanna say the wrap-up show, but the press conference afterwards. And they brought up that he's fighting Kyle Fletcher on Wednesday, but TK said, I want to make clear he will only be fighting him if he's cleared, and I don't know that he's cleared to be there on Wednesday. He's like, he tells me he is, but we all saw. So they're like, put an asterisk next to that one.
00:43:38
Speaker
We don't be there. They're going to go 20 minutes and it's going to be insane. I think that's my prediction there. And he'll probably still be selling the back. I mean, it won't be selling because he actually is back. But that makes the selling easier. It does. How many guys on the roster are there that can take the Tiger driver 91? We're going to find all of them. I mean, and that also varies. He just casually dusted in a styles clash in like the middle of the match.
00:44:10
Speaker
If that's another thing that happened, just casually just kind of threw it in as a transition move. I mean, I don't think any of us.
00:44:20
Speaker
didn't think going into this pay per view that this might not steal the whole damn show. Oh, I thought it was going to be the best match of the night, but I didn't expect because from everything we've heard, these guys have never wrestled each other, right? They don't speak the same language. They both barely speak English and like.
00:44:42
Speaker
And Osprey, again, it's like I know he's a great wrestler. I've seen a bunch of five star matches with Osprey, but we also know he's dumb as a bag of bricks that it makes it easy to forget when I haven't seen a big time Osprey match in a while. And I haven't because they actually believe as far as I know, New Japan ended about a year ago.
00:44:59
Speaker
Because I haven't seen it. So the series finale happened. The season finale happened when Osprey lost the last Tokyo Dome show at the beginning of twenty three. I wasn't expecting it to be that good. Like I wouldn't be shocked if this is still my favorite match of the year at the end of the year, because this was also a total fax match.
00:45:21
Speaker
What's a fax match? I think, you know, fax matches, I like my beefy boys and I like my flippy boys. So that's why I love Will Ospreay, is now, since he went up to heavyweight a few years back, he's my muscly beefy flippy boy. He's the flip Gordon that was promised and never arrived. I want the flip that was promised.
00:45:45
Speaker
I fortunately do not know what shape Will Ospreay thinks the Earth is. And I like that. I also think it's not even like he's a flat earther. It's that he would have to think for a really long time to even answer that question. He just hasn't thought about that. Yeah. He's like, I don't know. I don't know, bruv blue.
00:46:10
Speaker
You know the shape, the shape will. Oh, yeah. Yeah. China. That's that's a place. So you see it like there's a is it like a round or is it a like? Oh, I see where you're at, mate. Yes. We'll get some Nando's that spicy Nando's. Ah, you know, I like that cheeky Nando's from
00:46:41
Speaker
Will, what did you do during school? Schoolmate? What's that? I learned wrist lock. Not wrestling school. The other two, blue, blue. I said it already, blue. Can you speak English? You sit on the back.
00:47:09
Speaker
You get the Nando's. I think we're going to find out that Don Callis actually is his real life manager. He read the contract to him. He read the contract. Like somehow Callis is making like two million a year on this deal. He gives Will Ospreay like 10 grand a quarter in Nando's gift cards. And he's just like.
00:47:35
Speaker
You like that Nando's chicken in Europe. Hmm. Wait till you try some of the spicy chicken in America. We're going to go to Nashville. We're doing the Carolinas. We're going to get you some barbecue. You'll fight to Kesha. We'll zip over to Asheville. Get you some of those ribs. You'll wrestle Will Hobbs. You know, fire down to Texas. Get you some of that famous brisket. Make it spicy.
00:48:03
Speaker
Uh, you'll go through and start as fucking, but like never a better worker. I don't flip so good, bruv. Well, because that's the final transition of the ultimate facts. Wrestler would be you start out young and flippy.
Swerve's Rise and AEW Title Shot Debate
00:48:22
Speaker
Then you add the big and beefy and then you get the nice and tubby soft and tubby, but you still retain some of those other things. You see?
00:48:33
Speaker
They don't all just go away. Yeah. That would be, I can only hope. I can only hope. Phenomenal match.
00:48:44
Speaker
So did we all did any of us think Swerve had a chance last night not going on as the main? No, I thought he had a chance. I didn't I didn't love his chances when it wasn't the main and I didn't expect it to be the main. What I didn't expect was that the match to end with it's pretty clearly still swerve and hangman. And I'm just fine with that. I'm just totally OK with that.
00:49:09
Speaker
I do want Swerve to win the world title soon, but I'm also okay with him fighting Hangman some more. Yeah, it seems like maybe they'll go back because, again, Hangman's, whatever personal issue, it almost kept them out of this show. Apparently, it might keep them out a little longer in the future. When they do have another pay-per-view in another month. Well, that's what I'm saying. If they have two options, you have Swerve against Joe or Swerve against Hangman,
00:49:32
Speaker
I'm good either way. I'm good with Swerve winning the title of the next show. I'm good with Swerve beating Hangman again at the next show and then winning the world title, the one after that. I'm good either way. And part of it's like, you know, if, if, if Hangman's not around for a little bit, Swerve wins the title. Hangman comes back and challenges him at some point or Hangman's part of what costs him the title. And then, you know, they go back and do something else. Well, it's all there on the table. You can't thread the needle too much because I'm Tony Khan. I know you're listening. I'm going to tell you right now.
00:50:02
Speaker
If I take my cargo shorts out of storage before Swervos World Champion, we're going to have issues. I'm removing you from the DVR. So I don't know. It's March 4th right now. Still pretty chilly in New York. Pretty warm yesterday, though. It was pretty warm. Not cargo shorts of the storage unit warm, because I need a good, weak, solid of warmth before I'm going to storage unit.
00:50:27
Speaker
And I'm getting those cargo shorts and my wife's going to delay me. She got that. She doesn't like the cargo shorts or the cargo shorts. She doesn't like either one, but I like them there. It's all about Papa facts. So I don't know. Maybe, maybe it's the end of April, maybe it's mid May. I don't know. I don't know exactly when, but you got to the Boston.
00:50:48
Speaker
Do a big match at that show. Can't just be all talking. So you bring up Swerve being the guy. That could be a problem though based on what they talked about during the press conference. Joe made this clear and TK made this clear that they are hardcore going back to stats get you the title shot.
00:51:10
Speaker
Joe said that he'd hated that they pulled away and that it's like, you have to earn this. You have to be the guy who's won enough matches to earn the title shot. And Tony kind of made it clear that that's what you've got to do again. So I don't know where Swerve is as far as wins go to like other than just like. Pretty good, right? I mean, he doesn't lose a lot of matches. He did beat hangman a couple of times. But I mean, by that criteria, Orange Cassidy's got to get the shot, right?
00:51:38
Speaker
The dude lost for the first time in like a year. Garrett, I have something that had some bad news to break to you. They can do whatever they want. But if they're trying to play by the actual rules they set for themselves, which is what they talked about, it's like trying to play by their own rules again, like. Yeah, but they got like six.
00:52:00
Speaker
They got six weeks to pay-per-view. He can just win for a month. Well, they also could do the new Japan thing if they really want to hotshot it and they go, yeah, it depends on the record. Now, after last night, Will Ospreay undefeated 2-0. One of them was a six-man tag. Doesn't matter. He was on the winning side of that match. He's 2-0. That's a 100% winning percentage. Will Ospreay is up to you for a shot. OK. That's all it. I feel like you got to go Ospreay it all in, right?
00:52:30
Speaker
then do like the Davey boy, like going for the title at Wembley. And if it's him in Swerve,
00:52:40
Speaker
Yeah, but I do feel like that's why I would have still put the title on Swerve last night, because I think Swerve can do face or heel, but the fans really want babyface heavyweight champion Swerve right now. So I would give it to them while they can, because yeah, that clock is, that's not that far away. I mean, that's what, two months into cargo shorts for me? Maybe three when we're talking about going to London.
00:53:06
Speaker
It just with Swerve, this really does feel like TK's big chance to put the title on a guy who organically got over with the crowd and it's just time. And he has nothing to do with the elite, right? Cause like Hangman organically got over, but he still was one of the elite and stuff like that. This is like Swerve.
00:53:26
Speaker
you know, I don't think anyone, you know, Chris, I know you and I saw Swerve back in the, we loved Swerve. Former MLW world champion. Yeah, we loved Swerve before NXT, but honestly, when he left WWE, I thought he'd be fine in AEW. I didn't, I didn't say this guy's going to be a world champion level guy in AEW anytime soon or ever.
00:53:49
Speaker
But he's there. I mean, he's 100 percent there. And look at what happened to Wardlow when they didn't pull the trigger on him. And Swerve is way more over at that level than Wardlow ever was. Oh, for sure. I think and I think they're going to do it soon. I think they didn't want to do it on the undercard of this, of the of the sting thing. And they're going to get to it. Oh, I wonder is that the. And I wonder is that the wins and loss thing from the press conference is just because Wardlow gets the next title shot. But that can't that can't be the next pay per view.
00:54:21
Speaker
Yeah, Wardlow versus Joe sells zero tickets. Even for a starving for a pay-per-view St. Louis audience will not show up for that. Honestly, I'd be disappointed. We're going to Supercard of Honor. I'd be disappointed if that was main eventing Supercard of Honor. Yeah. Yeah, that's actually kind of true. Yeah. I want to see junkie Kyle O'Reilly main event that.
00:54:45
Speaker
I guess Eddie Kingston, that would work, right? Eddie Kingston defending the Triple Crown against- Oh, I forgot, he's the Triple Crown and that's still the ROH Championship is one of those. Ooh, okay, I'm a little more excited now. Yeah. Well, that's the one thing about that show coming up is that like, look at who's got the ROH titles right now. We got a Fletcher TV title, we got the-
00:55:08
Speaker
the Bang Bang Gang with the six-man titles. Athena's still got the women's title, we got Eddie, and the tag team titles, they're vacant, right? They're vacant, I can't think. Something about that has left my mind. It's not vacant, it's the Devil Goons. It's just two guys in the double mask. We never found out who they were, but the two generic devil guys are the champs and people find out. But that is what a week after
00:55:37
Speaker
The next AEW pay-per-view. No, no, it's before because it's the AEW pay-per-views not till late April. So 21st or something. Yeah. Oh, I thought it was late March. I thought it was literally not even a month. No. OK, so OK, that's that makes it feel a little bit better, like seven weeks. That's that's a good amount of time between shows.
00:55:57
Speaker
which I think I am gonna do that pay-per-view is a little treat for missing this one. I think we're just gonna go to my wife's, visit my wife's parents for the weekend and then I'll go to St. Louis from there. But like the only, that will for sure be a lesser pay-per-view. There's no way it is equal. But by that point we will have Okada, we will have Sasha Banks.
00:56:23
Speaker
So I would like it could be OK. It could be OK. His first match. Right. Like I think it's very likely even right in the I could definitely see them say OK shows up on Wednesday and then he has a match the following week. I get 100 percent see that. But I can also see them, you know, announcing Okada on the TV show, but not actually having his first match till the pay per view. That wouldn't be a crazy use of Okada by any means. I just want Okada leading the best friends.
Humorous MLW Highlights and Characters
00:56:54
Speaker
Oh my God. Yeah. Chucky needs a big spot. He needs friends. Okay. Hey, we've talked a lot about this show, but Chris did some big work for this podcast. That's true. Chris watched a whole mess of MLW. And I can't, you went, you went what? Seven subs? You said less than seven subway stops. Less than three subway stops. Yeah. I was like four. Yeah. You know?
00:57:22
Speaker
There's four subway stops. Yeah. But I mean, you it's four subway stops, but then you had to be in the same room as Mittens, presumably. So that's very close to me briefly. That's a viral. That's a viral risk. Mm hmm. O'Reilly levels of infection. Mm hmm.
00:57:41
Speaker
Yes, I did have to be near Mittens briefly. Here's the great thing. I will get one credit to MLW. They do offer a general admission ticket. That's less than $20 with fees. So that's pretty good. And they were offering me Minoru Suzuki.
00:58:03
Speaker
against Kojima, so that seemed to be worth $20. And that was, let's just be clear, before we get into the funny things, the weird things that happened at the MLW show.
00:58:15
Speaker
I do have to say Suzuki against Kojima was a wonderful like old man Japanese dad fight. They just there were literally guys behind me who were like making jokes, cracking jokes. And they were like, but watching Suzuki on like, oh, that shit hurt. He hurt it. That man. Oh, that guy. That guy makes you hurt. So how much how much class did Kojima go through? Not a lick, not a lick of it. By the way, Satoshi Kojima
00:58:44
Speaker
10 years younger than Sting. A full decade. So wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's peel back the curtain. If Kojima was just one year younger, one year younger, he would be closer to age to me than he is to Sting. And he's not going through any glass.
00:59:15
Speaker
Not a bit of glass. Didn't do a single, didn't even look at the glass. Where on the card did this fall? So that was the main event of the, so the way the MLW shows work now is that they do a live show on Triller TV. I still can't get used to saying that. It's fight TV. It's fight TV sounds much better. But so that's from like eight to 10. They do an hour before the show, taping stuff for the next show that they're going to do.
00:59:44
Speaker
An after as well, so that main evented the eight to 10 slot and then immediately after I left I did not stay for whatever was going to happen afterwards did not did not commit to that.
00:59:59
Speaker
I did, interestingly, I did consider getting a t-shirt, but then Bobby Fish was over by the gimmick table and I just, I realized that I couldn't resist being close to Bobby Fish without making a joke about him owing my friend to underwear. And then I also just didn't want to do that. I didn't want to see where that led. Cause Bobby Fish was sweaty and bald and he's bald now. Does everyone know Bobby Fish is bald now?
01:00:27
Speaker
I didn't know that. Look up a picture of Bobby Fish. I'd be more like for what it's worth. I'd be more likely to see Bobby Fish and witness protection than MLW. But.
01:00:40
Speaker
It's got to be sad because you know, he called Kyle O'Reilly like Saturday night. Oh, yeah. He's just like he's just like so I see right. He's got a big match. What do you think? What do you think's going to happen there? And Kyle O'Reilly just had to be like, oh, I don't. Why would I know? I don't know. I'm not in town. I'm not working for AEW. Why? Why do you ask? And then like immediately, like the second before he comes out, he just turns his phone off, throws it in the in the ocean.
01:01:07
Speaker
Changes his identity so Bobby Fish can't contact him, looking for a job. Yeah, Kyle O'Reilly, AEWTV got paid for two years, getting better. Adam Cole leading a faction. Roddy Strong, international champion. The Kingdom, even. ROH Tag Team Champions, gainfully employed. Bobby Fish got choked out by shitty Taz.
01:01:38
Speaker
on a show that like six people watched on Triller TV, got choked out by shitty Taz. And just for the fans, he's not saying skinny Taz, meaning Taz's son, who's actually, we like. No. He's saying shitty Taz. Shitty Taz. Yeah. Alex Kane, if you have, and he seems, he seems fine, but it's basically
01:01:58
Speaker
It's just Taz, he's like the suplex assassin, which is just human suplex machine. I mean, it's the same thing. He wears the sort of trunk thing, and then he chokes people out. He's even got people with him like Team Taz. They're called the Beaumier Fight Club. Points for the name, love the Ali reference, but it's essentially, it's Team Taz, and he's just shitty Taz, and he's still got to choke out Bobby Fish.
01:02:26
Speaker
You're going through that list, you're like, Roddy here, Kyle here, Bobby Fish, bald and queens. So yeah, listeners, if you do see Bobby Fish out in the wild, never stop letting him forget he owes facts a pair of undie pants. That's true. If you've had some drinks and you're willing to approach Bobby Fish,
01:02:54
Speaker
There's gold there guys. We will let you tell your story. What was he like in the ring? Fine. It looked like Bobby Fish. I mean, it's okay. You know, it wasn't bad. The bald hair. Okay. So that's, okay. So that's really the other important thing that happened at MLW.
01:03:18
Speaker
So their tag match, right? Tornado, I watched two tornado tag matches this week, guys. One was better than the other. So it's RSP and Sammy Callahan against Akira and Jake Christ. Now, apparently they all used to be in a group with Raven together. It was called The Calling. Stuff seemed to happen now they're fighting each other. I don't know.
01:03:45
Speaker
Again, not really. You mean they were all with Raven and MLW, right? Yeah. I think I did know this because Akira was with him. And I think I feel like I had a conversation with heater where we were like, can you be a member of the new flock? Like one of your guys is there. Why can't you be part of this? That must've been with him and not on the show. Well, so in, cause here's, so here's what happens and here's an interesting opportunity. And I'd be curious to see if here would join this group.
01:04:15
Speaker
that's coming here. So they have a perfectly fine hardcore tag team match, but then they cheat to win Sammy and RSP and guys goons coming out, beating people up. And it looks like Akira and Jake Christ are toast. You know who's here to save them and MLW.
01:04:45
Speaker
Jimmy fucking Lloyd wearing an MLW t-shirt with pizza stains on it. And that same pair of shorts that you know, he has not washed. Jimmy Lloyd is here. Jimmy Lloyd saved everybody. They started a new, a new super group called the uncrustables because that's what they eat in the car on the way to every match.
01:05:10
Speaker
But would Heater still be willing to be a part of that? Is he, you know, would he be willing to team with Akira if it also meant being in a group with J. Chris and Jimmy Lloyd? It's a great, and by the way, maybe I'll help with this. So the other group's name was The Calling, right? Raven pops on the screen, right, when these other guys, once Jimmy Lloyd has saved the day. And he says, if you guys are The Calling now, my group is gonna be called The Response.
01:05:43
Speaker
So Jimmy Loy is part of the response. Did that get crickets the same as it did on here? Indeed. Indeed it did. Everyone just looked at each other and went, okay. All right. That's a name.
01:06:05
Speaker
That's clearly, if you ever watch the Raven shoot interviews, he's a very clever guy and you know he's like, court, court, I got an idea, I got an idea. In the call-in, we're the response and he was just, court Bauer was counting his money from the WWE lawsuit and he was just like, go for it, Raven, whatever you want.
01:06:23
Speaker
See, what I think we need is is Raven going back to playing like a Scotty Flamingo type character. But but in 2024, Scotty Flamingo, he he's a pimp. And Jimmy Lloyd's his man whore. He's just a gigolo Jimmy Lloyd. Scotty Scotty, the body, hottie Scotty with Jimmy, the gigolo.
01:06:56
Speaker
All I can imagine though is Raven backstage watching, looking at Jimmy Lloyd and being like, Jimmy, can I talk to you about the dangers of drugs? Why? I just have, I just, I have a sense, Jimmy. What sense would that be? Well, I've been there. Jimmy, you're actually, you're eating a urinal cake
01:07:25
Speaker
right now in front of me because you thought you saw a little cocaine. It was Splenda. It was Splenda. The bathroom's in our locker room. We don't have a lot of room. I was making a coffee. It's some Splenda, not cocaine, and you're eating a urinal cake right now. You have a problem. He told everybody I was eating a urinal cake. Once again, it was an unquestionable.
01:07:51
Speaker
No, Jimmy, it's in your hand right now. It is not an Uncrustable. I eat them at the airport sometimes, I know what they are. That is a very well used, Putin Elks Lodge urinal cake. It is pink and ground down to a nub. Also though, how do you think Jordan Oliver feels when Jimmy Lloyd can get booked on MLW and Jordan Oliver can't?
01:08:20
Speaker
Jordan Oliver's waiting for the big boys. He doesn't he's not he's not doing this quadruple a bullshit. He's he's coming out big. There's no way Jordan Oliver hasn't been on dark yet. Actually has wasn't even on. I'm pretty sure he was at least I even want to say he might have been on TV, but like as a you know, a jobber. I thought it was Nick Wayne's friend. Unnamed friend.
01:08:49
Speaker
unnamed associate. I think it's what they said. They didn't even want to push for, cause they're like Nick Wayne could have a future here. We don't want to say he's friends, but of course, like now you're, we're just forgetting things. We've already talked about Jordan. Oliver's not even going to go to WWW right now. Cause he's learning under the tutelage of Nick Gage on how to produce a boot and wrestling show. Hmm.
01:09:15
Speaker
I can't stop thinking about man or Jimmy Lloyd and people like he shows up to a door and knocks on it and the person opens it and is just like, no. Like how many? It's like they said no. And the people who do say yes, the things they're asking Jimmy Lloyd to do. It's kind of like, you know, that person.
01:09:38
Speaker
that, that like, you know, you'll, you'll show that you have a dog that can do a trick and then you give it a treat. And then that person who's just like, Oh, my dog does a trick too. Just lay there. Haha. That's Jimmy Lloyd is the dog, but with just smoking cigarettes.
01:09:56
Speaker
Where it's like, oh, OK, so I talked to Scott said you'll paint my basement with your shirt off. You can keep the shirt on. It's fine. And he's just not even acknowledging this person. He's just sitting down Indian style on their front lawn. Sorry, crisscross applesauce in their front lawn. Just smoking cigarettes and like putting the cigarettes out right in the law. Tangibly lowering their home value.
01:10:24
Speaker
I feel like this, I would watch, I would watch MLW every week if there was just a new adventure of Jimmy Lloyd, Mel Gigolo. He would never need to wrestle ever again. He'd be the most over guy in the company.
01:10:38
Speaker
Like, can you imagine backstage when they're like, all right, Bobby, this week, you do lose to Jimmy. And Jimmy, like, you just see him bite an Uncrustable, but he's biting the opposite end of what he's already eaten, so the jelly falls out onto his shirt and he's just like, no! And he's like, how does he beat me? Oh, he's gonna give you a pile driver from the second rope.
01:11:04
Speaker
Him? Can he hold me? Oh, he's reliable. He's the backbone of Endy Wrestling. Did you say backbone? Well, he's the... He's Garrett Spleen of Endy Wrestling. Yeah, he's around. He's around. He's here. He keeps showing up. We actually didn't want to hire him, but he just kept showing up here. Yeah, he's like Milton in office space. Like, Lauderdale hasn't paid him in years.
01:11:34
Speaker
He just doesn't kick him out and he just keeps showing up and he's like, I mean, I guess if I don't pay him, he could be in the scramble. Yeah. He said he knew DeNiro. That's how MLW was so profitable last year. They saved so much money on that slot, that Jimmy Lloyd slot. He's going to the top. He's going to I bet I bet Jimmy Lloyd goes over shitty Taz like within.
01:12:02
Speaker
That's the former world champion, Shitty Taz, but I think Jimmy Lloyd chokes him out. I think he takes him out. Who is the MLW champ now? Kojima. Kojima is. Kojima beat Shitty Taz a couple months ago and his first defense was against Suzuki. And he beat Suzuki. So Kojima is still the champion there. So what else did you see on this card, like for the couple hours you were there?
01:12:31
Speaker
So I saw Rocky Romero against Mystico, which was really good if you enjoy quality lucha. That was delightful. I watched multiple Matt Riddle matches. Multiple. Multiple. Yes. He wrestled Davey Boy Smith Jr. first.
01:12:56
Speaker
Davey boy, great. Davey boy just gobbled him up. Matt Riddle basically got like a couple of knee strikes and that was the, that was the finish. Um, also, uh, he wrestled bad dude, Tito from, uh, from so blood board. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tito's yeah. Tito's good. Again, the guys, the assholes behind me were like, what a job or name. And it's like, and I was going to say something and I was like, actually that's fair. Really? Tito should get a better name. He's really good. He should get the, he should get a real name.
01:13:26
Speaker
Yeah, I don't, that's interesting that you saw him wrestle. I feel like I've not seen him wrestle outside of Bloodsport. Yeah, he's done some New Japan, not a ton though. He was good. It was a good, that was a fun, they did a fun like, hospite thing. I've never been a much of a big Riddle fan, but at least he was trying and, you know.
01:13:48
Speaker
I always had fun with Riddle in PWG. He was a guy I did enjoy. I don't know. I haven't seen him do that style of match in so long, though, that it's hard for me to even remember what I enjoyed. He does kicks? I don't know. It works. I don't know.
Unique Wrestling Personalities and Trivia
01:14:08
Speaker
He throws people around? It was, again, that worked. I did have to watch multiple matches in the MLW Women's Division.
01:14:17
Speaker
which involves someone named Delmi XO. She's the God Queen, you know? Sure. That's a strong name for someone who's not very good at their job. Like if you were like, I am the God, if Jimmy Lloyd were like, I am the God King, you'd be like, dude, okay, don't. The Gigolo God King, but yeah. The Gigolo God, I mean, yes. As a Gigolo, Jimmy Lloyd could be the God King. God Queen is a pretty cool name though. That's kind of an objectively cool name.
01:14:47
Speaker
And God Queen rolls off much better than God King. Hmm. So by the way, while Garrett's looking that up, I was just racking my brain and then I remembered because we're talking about Jimmy Lloyd. And I know that I just read about another wrestling personality who was also a child actor, who as a child was in Sleepless in Seattle.
01:15:10
Speaker
Can you give us guesses? Yes. So Sleep is in Seattle. So they got Tom Hanks blue chips, Nick Nolte and only the lonely. That's what the great John Candy, I believe. Right. Yeah. John Hughes film. OK, is it this is a wrestler that we are both familiar with? I will repeat my language. I said it was a wrestling personality. I didn't say wrestler. It's kind of a hint, of course.
01:15:40
Speaker
But yeah, you you guys both unequivocally know who this person is. And it is not shaggy too dope from insane clown posse. No. And it is someone if you think about OK, sleep is in Seattle. That's what like eighty nine ninety ninety one. So like it's also someone that when I saw that I had to look up how old they were and they were I was like, oh, they're older than. I thought. Hmm. OK. Is it.
01:16:10
Speaker
Is it Don Callis? No. You said a child actor, right? They were a child actor in these films. Yes. Well, it wasn't Victor Garber. Was it Bobby Fish? Is that is that how we're pulling this all back together? It's not Bobby Fish. I'll give a further hint. This is someone who
01:16:37
Speaker
as definitely doing much better financially in the pro wrestling industry than Jimmy Lloyd is or or Bobby Fish at present. Is it Tony? Can't. Renee Paquette, no, but but you're I would say get warmer. And then, Chris, I didn't hear who you said. Oh, I said Tony Khan. No, it was not Tony Khan.
01:17:03
Speaker
Wait, is it fucking Justin Roberts? It is. In fact, Justin Roberts. Yes. So Justin Roberts was a child actor probably and is 44 years old, which kind of does sound right. But my immediate thing was like that. He does. Should he say he's a boy. He's just a little boy. He can't be older than me. Good for Justin Roberts.
01:17:31
Speaker
And I also want to bring up another facts fact that I put in our text message thread. Prince Nana made the P.W.I. 500 as a wrestler, as a singles wrestler specifically in 2010. I just wanted to say that Prince Nana made the P.W.A. 500 in 2010.
01:17:55
Speaker
But to me, the crazy thing about that is not 2011 through 2023, right? So like he last makes the PWI 500 in 2010. First and last, yes. Really? No. This is what his Wikipedia says. Don't blame me. I'm just the mess. I just have struggled, believe, at some point when he was in ROH and stuff in the early aughts that he wasn't somewhere in the 500.
01:18:23
Speaker
Again, unless they decided to only put that one year and none of the others, he was ranked 311 in 2010. That is the only one listed under his championships and accomplishments as it relates to the PWI 500. He obviously has other accomplishments. No, I think that was just the last year. There's some other thing I'm showing. He was rated from 2001 to 2010.
01:18:52
Speaker
his highest rating was number 251 in 2004. But I mean, he's, the crazy thing to me with Nana is like he literally
01:19:04
Speaker
basically disappeared for a solid decade. And it's now still amazing. Dancing with the ladies, tremendous. How did they come, like pre-internet, how did they fucking come up with the PWI 500? Like if we were just sitting in a room pre-internet era, how long would it take for us to come up with 500 active men's wrestlers?
01:19:29
Speaker
What's the thing? I think they were just going through the results they got. And at a certain point, they were just throwing names out. Yeah. That's because think about all the wrestlers that we were so not never got above that. Right. Because if he's a 250 something is the highest he never got above the we're just putting him in the order they pop into our head or the letter comes in. Yes. Yeah. Although that makes sense. I mean, Nana was a great character. He was never like an elite worker.
01:19:56
Speaker
Yeah. Well, don't get me wrong. I think the three of us, if we were locked in a room for a day, we could come up with a list of 500 wrestlers. But that's also we have the benefit of being able to watch Japanese wrestling every indie show on fight. You know, we get to watch Japanese wrestling whenever we want. We get to watch Mexican wrestling for free whenever we want. We have like.
01:20:16
Speaker
a dozen TV shows in America that are on some form of deep cable, uh, by the deep state. It's like how, I just remember as a kid, like the PW 500 felt like a big deal and just like any name after about 60. Just, I had no idea who they were. Facts. I think this is a project. I think you and I WrestleMania weekend, we named 500 wrestlers and roughly sort them.
01:20:44
Speaker
And then Garrett, you should make a side bet of how many names we need to Google to see if they're still alive. To get to 500 living active wrestlers. I'm starting the list with Buff Bagwell, I'll tell you that right now.
Wrestling Anecdotes and Podcast Humor
01:21:04
Speaker
Sorry, I got really distracted watching a clip of Justin Roberts on a really old episode of Jerry Springer.
01:21:13
Speaker
Yeah, I did mention he was Jared Springer. Was he a love child? Was that his role? I can see that he's being like the douchebag guy. The only like I see an actual clip of it, but I'm not sure it's I'm sleeping with my and then it cuts off in the photo. So I'm not able to see. So this is like like 20 something, Justin Roberts.
01:21:38
Speaker
Oh, yeah. OK, I guess that one earring. He's got a puka shell necklace. It was just a record when he was fucking. Yeah, this guy, like he's kind of got like Jersey Shore vibes in the video I'm looking at right now. Oh, it looks like he actually shared this video himself on Twitter. Good for him. He's got some sense from about it. Wrestling guys.
01:22:06
Speaker
Wrestling's the best. We didn't even talk about, Garrett, did you watch Heater's barbed wire match? Oh yeah. Well, let's talk more about it next week. I didn't, I'll just tell Heater this if he's listening. I didn't get to watch it all. Usually in this house, a hard way Heater matches a family affair. And it was Heater versus Otis. And it opened with two promos. And in Otis's promo, I'm gonna pull up the picture to show you guys.
01:22:36
Speaker
So Heater had a match with Otis, and he injured Otis pretty bad. It said 100 stitches were involved. I'm gonna see if I can- 88 more than Darby Allen got. And just to be clear for any listeners, Otis Kogar, not the guy from WWE. Yeah, not Jizz. Not Jizz. Yeah. Which is a name we may have to give to Sammy Callahan, but we'll discuss that. Yeah, we'll discuss it.
01:23:06
Speaker
It was an enormous gash in his arm. It was deep and wide and it was gross. And the match- Otis's arm? Otis got tore open. And I guess he missed some dates. So this was a match where it's like, I'm calling you out, Hardway Heater, because you cost me money.
01:23:24
Speaker
And so they had a no rope barbed wire match. It opened the show. It was, you can find it on IWTV. It's the opener. Well, that's perfect because IWTV's fast forward is not good. So, but if it opens, tremendous. It was from over the weekend at Ruthless Pro in Chicago. All right. It looks like the main event is Hood Foot versus Atticus.
01:23:50
Speaker
for a title but in this it started basically Otis very quickly pulls out like a straight razor and was cut in the top of Uncle Hardway's head and my wife decided that maybe a year and a half
01:24:07
Speaker
old Ozzy shouldn't be watching because he'd already stuck push pins into his head one at a time and then was using the straight razor to pop them out and my wife said we can watch this later when he's not here and we immediately had to record so um too violent for a one and a half year old and I've got to watch it on my own time and we'll actually give it a fair review next week
01:24:33
Speaker
Yeah, my little one will also not be watching it. She might watch Kyle Fletcher against Will Ospreay with me. We'll see how that goes this week. Yeah, maybe if Ospreay can't go heater, I'll get that shot and just make him bleed a whole lot. Oh, we should talk about this because I think that since the last time we recorded, it's official. Hardway Heater is going to Big Japan for a tour. So we are all going to be learning about
01:25:04
Speaker
what Big Japan's streaming service is like and watching hardware heater matches in the month of April in Japanese language. We're actually thinking about maybe doing some commentary on them for people who might enjoy that. And again, I have, you know, my oldest friend's brother lives in Tokyo. So if we can't get a streaming live of Big Japan, I'll mail him an iPhone.
01:25:33
Speaker
to just FaceTime us in so that we can do live commentary on a heater match. I am not joking. I will make this happen.
01:25:43
Speaker
Yeah, so it's gonna be Madman Pondo, it's gonna be Magga Butcher, and then we have the deathmatch jackass. Fuck, why can't I off the top of my head remember his name? Dale Patricks. Dale Patricks and Hardway Heater on a tour of Japan with Big Japan. That's fucking awesome. And we are definitely gonna get Hardway Heater on the show to chat with us before he goes to Japan and definitely after.
01:26:10
Speaker
Because, you know, we need that. We need those MAGA Butcher in Japan stories. I bet the ladies love MAGA Butcher in Japan. Mm hmm. What's not to love? Only eight and guys, the streaming service only eight hundred and eighty eight yen. Oh, that's a bargain. A bargain.
01:26:29
Speaker
I'm excited to figure it out. We'll see. We'll see. But we're definitely gonna talk about that more soon and get him on here to do that. But yeah, I'll give a full review of his barbed wire match. Honestly, why don't we just get him on here to talk about getting thrown into barbed wire?
01:26:48
Speaker
We have his number. He likes the show. He was a host at one point. I just saw the host of the show. I just I just saw a quick clip on Instagram of that match. And I would say I'm in for a watch. I'm in for a watch on that one.
01:27:07
Speaker
Yeah, like I said, opening match on the, it's like main page IWTV right now. So it's super easy to find the shows called animosity. Uh, we'll watch that. We'll talk about that next week, but.
01:27:20
Speaker
Hey, we kind of ran long on this one, but we haven't been here in a few weeks and it's been really fun chatting with you guys. This feels good to be back. We should do like a weekly podcast. That's a good idea. I feel like that way we could talk to each other more often. I think it'd be fun. We should do it weekly at some point, not soon though.
01:27:41
Speaker
Yeah. Well, we'll see how the test results come. I might need it. Am I going to be okay, Tim Allen? We'll see, son. Next week. All right, everybody. Thanks for listening at pre-determined podcast on Instagram at Gartet, at Chris Miggs, at Jimmy facts, AKA Jimmy Lloyd's IMDB page. Anything else? Oh, listen to Chris. Chris, I listened to your, your podcast. Oh, thank you.
01:28:09
Speaker
Thank you. We have Counting Crow's podcast, Sullivan Street, upcoming in the next couple of weeks. We have some interviews with some pretty fun guests, including Dave Lowry, who is the producer of This Desert Life. So keep an eye out for that. And yeah, it's going well. Garrett, I hear you're talking about other things too.
01:28:30
Speaker
Yeah, I have Erotic Thriller Club happening. We are several episodes in. This coming week, if you're listening to this right now, check out us talking about Dance for Death, a movie that Roger Corman stole the script from a movie like two years prior and just remade it without anyone's, anyone's okay or pay the person who wrote the script. I like, yeah. Fuck that guy.
01:28:58
Speaker
It's dog shit, and there's a lot of 90s boobs that do not move. Do you recommend watching the movies before listening to the episodes, Garrett, or can you just jump in? We definitely give you a rundown of the movies as we go through. If you want to see the movies first, honestly, a lot of them are fun. You know, do what you like. If you feel like you need to see the movie,
01:29:25
Speaker
Go for it. But I think we give you a pretty clear picture of what these movies are. And we describe the sex in detail for you. And if you're somehow listening to this podcast without having a podcast app on your phone, I don't know how you're doing it, but you could just go to Garrett's house like I do and just listen to it on cassette tape in a car in his backyard. Old cassette tape. It's.
01:29:54
Speaker
Yeah, Memorex cassette tape, extended play. You just listen to it in the car. It's a great listen. It's how I go to bed every night.
Podcasting Ideas and Humorous Wrap-Up
01:30:02
Speaker
I've been sleeping at Garrett's house. Facts, you've been doing any other podcasts we don't know about. No, I'm just I just play about three hours of Baldur's Gate a day. That's that's pretty much for just weeks and weeks and weeks. That's that's pretty much my thing. This is actually a backdoor announcement.
01:30:23
Speaker
Facts is next week starting a podcast with Kyle O'Reilly. Yes. Uh, theirs is just talking about Depeche Mode songs and which ones are the saddest. It's just us yelling at each other to wake up because they're about to ruin our save. Kyle! Kyle!
01:30:51
Speaker
The aliens Kyle, wake up Kyle. God damn it Kyle. Oh fuck. An episode where Bobby Fish is a guest is going to be really the one to listen to, but that's a few episodes in. Yeah. I actually, ironically with the naming, I actually catfished Kyle O'Reilly. He thinks I'm one of those nineties girls with the boobies that don't move.
01:31:21
Speaker
Even though I use my normal voice on Xbox Live, I totally don't dress it up at all. But so, yeah, he doesn't know. I think Bobby Fish might be the one to figure it out that I'm the underwear guy. Yeah. I can't wait for you guys to get to get Osprey back on there and just basically play SNL Jeopardy with him to just like name a shape. Yeah, Ralph.
01:31:52
Speaker
All right, everybody. We'll be back next week. Thanks for listening. Do we have an actual sign off on this show? I don't remember. It's been a while. I've never listened to this show before. Hit your goddamn music, Aaron. Hit our goddamn music! I actually, that was not even joking. I fucking forgot.