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No Good Baby Angles
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It's Thursday, you know what that means! More talk of Jimmy Lloyd and Richard Dreyfus!
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Mommy's Little Helpers and Pro Wrestling Hangout
00:00:34
Speaker
You need to start getting into those, uh, mommy's little helpers. So some, some pill work. Well, um, I mean, I'm on Adderall now, so isn't that the old like fifties housewife? It was like just painkillers, I think. Is that what mommy's little helper is? Just some like Vicodins or something? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Although I think now mommy's little helper involves you taking those and then watching a bunch of Dominick Mysterio matches. Yes. I don't want that. I don't want that. I don't know if anyone wants that. now no one That's Mammy's little helper.
00:01:17
Speaker
Hey, everybody, pre-determined pro wrestling hangout. You heard everything we just said. Garrett, Chris Fax, we're all here. But now that you say, Dominic, I mean, i none of us have watched enough WWE to, I think, be a really good judge on how good of a wrestler Dominic Mysterio is. No. But at this point in my life, I can say, I get as excited about one of his matches as I used to for Jimmy Lloyd matches. But Jimmy Lloyd has a new shine on him. So in my mind, he's actually a better, more dynamic wrestler. Please, the fully former world champion, Jimmy Lloyd. So I clicked on one of those clickbaity articles that was like, oh, John Cena's retiring. Here's the wrestlers with the longest tenure in WWE, just like a listicle. And like Dominic Mysterio was like fourth.
00:02:12
Speaker
because they I guess they were counting all the way back to like the Eddie Guerrero angle. oh Which is stupid, it's click bait, that's what they do. Because he's only been an active wrestler for what, like three years maybe? Something like that. maybe I bet it's longer than we think. It's a little longer, yeah. But it's like every week guy, that's what I'm saying, is because I feel like his first bit, he wasn't... like he'd come out for the big shows as Ray's partner, right? Right, he's been on TV for about five years, I think, because Ray signed back with w WWE basically to get him his break, and that was like late 2018. What a good dad. Great dad. And what did Dom ever do back for him?
Dominic Mysterio's Wrestling Journey
00:02:57
Speaker
Am I wrong? Was one of his first matches, was it Miz and Logan Paul versus the Mysterios?
00:03:04
Speaker
I think it's something that happened. That was a match. I don't i don't i that i think might have been a WrestleMania match, right? Because that would have been with Logan Paul when he was only wrestling really super big shows. Yeah. I feel like the met the Logan Paul match you saw was Logan Paul against the Miz. OK. I think that was SummerSlam, I want to say. But they did team together, but I think they want to get someone bigger than the Mysterios, right? Because that's how they set up that. No, it was at WrestleMania is when the Miz turned on him. Yeah. And then they had, but that was either way, I think the mysterious one against them, but that was like the beginning of Dom like on the show every
Single Parenting and Wrestling Entrances
00:03:41
Speaker
day. Yeah. Hey guys, tune into our new podcast where we try to remember w WWE angles from like a year ago. Guys, this is hard. Somebody's definitely going to message like on YouTube or something. They're going to be like, yeah, that was the WrestleMania like three months ago.
00:03:59
Speaker
unclear. Sure. Okay. i couldn saw it i you know Sorry guys. This has been, I don't even know if we mentioned it on last week's episode that I was going to slowly go insane over the span of eight days. Yeah. yeah we were looking forward to As I was a single parent for eight days, 24 seven. with a just under two-year-old. And I'll tell you, I planned out some real fun days for that guy. And that son of a bitch betrayed me so hard four days in. He was such an asshole, guys. Like, I love that little man. But man, i've all I did was plan him fun days. Like, he had more fun that week, more did more fun things in the span of a week than I think he's ever done in his life at this point.
00:04:51
Speaker
yeah And man, those last three days, like i I almost cried. He was so mean. You were Don Callis and he was Will Ospreay. Who was more happy to see your wife come home, you or him? I mean, as happy as I was, I don't think anything would match like just his excitement. I mean, she was a big deal return. ah you know like the The lights went out, music played, but it was new music, so we didn't know who was coming in the door. She was like Orson Welles and the third man. Yes, my wife is exactly like Orson Welles.
00:05:39
Speaker
i was going to go I was going to go with maybe Cena at the Rumble in 2008, because it couldn't he couldn't believe she got back so fast. He was just like, I thought she was gone for years. I would say it was the same excitement of like the reveal of Y2J. You should have queued up some music. You should have discussed this with your wife before she laughed, be like, what do you want your intro music to be? So that you can just really wire it in, like this will be his first actual memory. Mommy coming home when the bad man that's shitting at changing me yeah doesn't have to touch my bottom anymore.
00:06:16
Speaker
Also, you should have he's not as soft as she is. You should have let her hit you with a chair just to really sell it. he would have went That would have went over. If you'd bladed, he would have
Wrestling Family Dynamics and Humor
00:06:27
Speaker
popped. Yeah. That guy's not so bad. He's bleeding from my entertainment. I appreciate him now. sixty the Did you like, by the way, how every time we went about 36 hours, 24 to 36 hours without seeing a message on the thread, either Chris or I would just kind of do that. Hey buddy, how you doing? How's it going? I feel like the texts you were getting from me were just very short with a period at the end. They were, but they confirmed proof of life, which is really all we were looking for. I did tell a couple different people like, do me a favor, at least every 48 hours,
00:07:04
Speaker
shoot me something so I can just give you a thumbs up that I'm, I'm okay. I'm not gonna lie. So I was, I was in booting when Trump got shot. And the first thing I threw my head is say it wasn't in Tennessee. And somebody was like, Oh no, no, it was in Pennsylvania. I was like, Oh, okay. Okay. Garrett's not that far gone yet. Well, I thought you were worried if he were here that I lost the baby and the baby did it. Were that either or neither one would be good for your family. I don't think.
00:07:35
Speaker
although I do feel like they would forgive. if it was a baby. And then like the cops didn't kill it. like They just went to the roof, they saw the gun, and there was just this cute little baby. That's actually why there was such a long delay between taking out the shooter and when he was spotted. They're like, well, it's a baby child. i Is this even a conversation we should be having on here? It's standard protocol to confirm that it's not a baby right you when you kill an assassin. Ever since the Who Shot Mr. Burns episode of The Simpsons, cops have been very mindful of this. Well, that's why we still don't really know who killed Kennedy, right? Because they can't say, oh, it was a baby, and then we shot it in the head afterwards. Yeah. You know, they had to find Patsy. Have there been any good baby angles in wrestling other than, like, I'm your father? Well, the hand, right? Mae Young? Mae Young's hand.
00:08:31
Speaker
There's the Bula pregnancy angle in ECW, which is pretty good. But then also leads to her and Kamona making out, and everyone really likes that. At least they did when we were teenagers in the 90s. Not really a baby. Did Glow ever have a pregnant lady wrestler? Not an actual pregnant woman, but just somebody with the belly on you. Well in the glow show, like the second lead, the the blonde lady, not the one from community, um she's like a mom. It's a little kid. And she kind of works that into her character. Yeah.
00:09:17
Speaker
But baby's not very good in wrestling. Sorry. No, not great. Not great. I'm with you. I mean, the hornswoggle is Vince's son. It's kind of a little bit of a little guy. He's I don't know if that was good, though. i know I don't know that I saw it ever. I'm just aware that that's a thing that happened. Yeah. um Lately, on my YouTube recommended videos, something keeps popping up. I've never clicked on it, but it is of Hornswoggle arguing with Pierce Morgan on Fox News. And I think I want to just leave it to my imagination, what they could possibly be talking about, that Hornswoggle became the talking head on the news. I wonder if maybe that's the end game of like Cardona and Chelsea Green have talked about starting a family.
00:10:02
Speaker
And they're like, if he doesn't sign with AEW or w WWE, like they can't afford a great nanny while they're both on the road. So it's going to have to be Jimmy Lloyd. So this whole gimmick is just him spending time with like making Jimmy Lloyd a normal person so that he can pay him less than minimum wage to watch his child. Oh, I think you were going to say they were going to go with Hornswoggle because Hornswoggle seems like he'd be a good nanny. Well, he's got kids like I've seen his kids on Ethan pages. Yeah. Yeah. But he was show before Hornswoggle is on Cameo. I don't like Cardona can get Jimmy Lloyd for a lot cheaper. Yeah. But frankly, Hornswoggle can do Cameo with Cardona's
Wrestlers' Earnings and Industry Economics
00:10:43
Speaker
baby in charge double. So I think that's yeah. I would pay for a Cardona baby Cardona green baby ah Cameo. I think that kids can have great timing. Yeah. Very funny.
00:10:57
Speaker
h After he's done being raised by intern Jimmy Lloyd, unpaid internship, that was really just, the wrestling and the mic work was just kind of a side effect of what they were training for. You know, it was just ah a pleasant surprise. That kid's going to go to Disney so many times. Yeah. Yeah. lucky I feel like literally every third picture on Mac Cardona's Instagram is like, okay, so we're at Disney World. Cause you know, it's Wednesday night and here it's like, All right, I guess that's a thing you can do with your life. Is there a real reason for so many wrestlers to continue living in Florida? Well, I think it's just convenient, good travel hub, like Orlando's, no income tax, but but like Orlando is a way bigger airport right than like Nashville. A lot more direct flights.
00:11:50
Speaker
Plus it's just that like, no matter where you work, right? It's like, I work for AWW and occasionally I usually go to Jacksonville. That's fine. You know, I work for wwe WWE. There's so many other people that are going to be on the same flights as me that I work with. Yeah. Plus again, I do think more wrestlers than we think are Disney adults. And oh yeah, very much as well. Cody's Cody seems like a Disney adult. um macro gocao lares Mac Cardona's kid is gonna be so in love with Cody and Brandy's daughter, like the older lady. that's gonna be She's gonna be a smoke show too, right? I mean, look at who her parents are. Speaking of Cody, I saw a list came out today of what the current roster is getting paid a year.
00:12:35
Speaker
Is that real i person? is it Are those real? Let's assume they are though. let's well I'm not going to doubt this. I'd rather believe it. true well How much does Cody make it it? These days it it probably is closer to real, right? Because there's not all these other factors of like house shows and t-shirts and pay-per-view checks. Like that was always the thing, right? with www is Like Vince pays well, but you have no idea what you're making until the money hits your bank account. Yeah. The highest on the list. I mean, it's it's safe to assume none of this is true, but you know, for the sake of it, number one was Roman Reigns, an outrageous number. I think it's a 25 million a year. I mean, I kind of buy it, right? If you're saying that he's not getting percentages of anything else, because think about just like what a top actor on a TV show gets a year, right?
00:13:28
Speaker
Probably that much and obviously like he probably could do movies if he wanted to at this point Like the rocks making way more than that per movie He makes a couple of you a year scene is probably making about that much right for his TV series or a movie at this point so like I don't know, like, who's your next biggest star that actually shows up most weeks, even if he doesn't wrestle? Cody. Roman Reigns isn't. Well, yeah, I guess now they have Cody before three months ago, or at least a year and a half ago, they had no one. Yeah.
00:14:01
Speaker
25 sounds slightly high, but I, again, I wouldn't, I wouldn't doubt it's, it's somewhere in that. I just always, I just always found it incredibly low what you'd see with these things. True. Again, when you just compare them to like it's lot, it's a show every week, 52 episodes a year or 104 episodes, depending on how you look at it. And like most TV shows are like eight episodes a year and they're paying their stars like that much. Well thinking about that, like when I was working at Warner Brothers. And they don't get as high ratings as wrestling does on TV. For sure, like thinking about when I was there and Big Bang Theory was at its height. Those guys were making a million dollars a week.
00:14:46
Speaker
And they were putting out what, 22 episodes a year. Pre-residuals, right? They're probably still for all making easily a million dollars a week now. But on new episodes at the time, like they were making a million dollars a week. Well, the friends were making a million dollars an episode in the 90s. And then same with like the Seinfeld crew. like bra There were less of them, right? There were only four. Yeah. And I assume this number includes like merch and figures and stuff like that too. You've got to think, I think especially now, I think the merch.
00:15:19
Speaker
feels very top heavy. So I would assume that like Roman, Cody, and like three other people are just rolling in merch money. And everyone else is basically kind of doing fine, probably relatively terms, but you know, Well, in ah and apparently things like PPV and main event bonuses are still a thing, right? It's just that now it's even more obfuscated because you can't base it on a real number by rate. But like, so it's even more, but like, again, you got to think you guys like Cody and Roman that are working main events, if that's included, like they're, they're making that. Although that list is clearly wrong because didn't The Rock get like 10% of the company?
00:16:02
Speaker
for Rock I thought rocks thing was like 30 million for basically a match and the promotion of that match Right, but I guess they're not counting him as on the roster and again to your point though if the rock if the rock made 30 for that Roman making 25 for a whole year including several large main events right is fairly reasonable Right. That, that sort of, that does sort of track, right? That obviously rock is cutting up without knowing the numbers,
Wrestling Contracts and Industry Value
00:16:34
Speaker
right? Cause peacock doesn't just publish them. I got to imagine PPEs or live events or whatever the fuck they call them that don't have a Roman main event but or a Roman singles main event, especially probably don't do as well. And probably less new subscribers to peacock. Yeah. So who's number two, Garrett?
00:16:54
Speaker
I'm trying to find the list that I saw earlier today. The numbers the main numbers I remembered were that Cody was making 10 and that Punk was making eight. Which I think is more than he was making an AEW, right? Because wasn't he making five an AEW? Yeah, that sounds about right. And then Cody, like clearly Cody was going to go, but remember at the time that was one of the things. And I think that like, we now know that it is true, but kind of both sides knew which way, like he was going to WWE. So they didn't really go through the emotions, right? But that was his biggest, I want CM Punk money. And now he's making double what Punk was making then and Punk got fired into more money. And he doesn't even need to work because he's always fucking hurt.
00:17:38
Speaker
Yeah, honestly, 10 sounds relatively speaking, and again, maybe depends on when you're measuring it. 10 sounds kind of low for where Cody's at now. I would think Cody and Roman are closer because everything I, again, i'm I'm not super following this, but it does seem like merk Cody is absolutely, so he had one a he and Roman are 1A1B in terms of moving merch and stuff. and He's now the champ. and It's possible that number's on its way up. Yeah, but the actual like contract number right is sure it's going to be much higher for Roman because he has the track record. right Where's Cody? Cody's next contract will be bigger. And yeah yeah those things, the bigger the contract, the bigger the percentage you're getting on those things. It's the same way that like sales commission, that the better sales people also get a higher commission rate.
00:18:24
Speaker
um That's the way that stuff always works. And that's why it always has worked.
AJ Styles and Wrestling Organizations
00:18:29
Speaker
So because that was the other thing like with Rock and Austin, not only were they selling every t-shirt in the world, but they were getting a bigger cut of each t-shirt sold even back then. Actually, just speaking of WWE off the topic of money, did you guys see where AJ Styles wrestled in Noah over the weekend? No, I'd heard he was going to. I did not see anything about the match, though. Was it good? I saw I did. I saw ah I didn't actually see the match because I was watching a child the whole time and saying the rest of the time he was asleep. um But I did see a lot of people say like, oh, my God, AJ Styles can still go. Like, hopefully Triple H allows him to go at this speed and in in WWE.
00:19:17
Speaker
Now, do you, do you think it was Noah because they were like, you can't do you, Japan. They're all over w WWE these days. um Yeah, I think so. It yeah almost certainly, but it seemed like he was there to wrestle a specific person. I don't know if it was like a marathon. ah the rest Well, I think the idea is that they're, I don't know if they have much of an a direct history, but I think the idea is that they're kind of two guys from the same generation who'd never actually wrestled each other. Okay. um So it was kind of a, um ah Dream match is sort of like, I don't know how many people have recently been thinking to themselves, man, I'd really love to see AJ Styles against Marifuji, but I bet some people in 2008 were fantasy booking that. Well, if they let him do longer matches just on indies in in North America, have we ever seen AJ Styles versus Horned Swoggle?
Future Wrestling Events and Venues
00:20:06
Speaker
I feel like that's happened. It's probably happened. Yeah. That's a spring break match through and through.
00:20:15
Speaker
Spring Break like seven years from now. How good is Spring Break gonna be like a decade from now? Oh man, it's gonna be hot. We're gonna get Walter and PCO again when they're both like in their twilight years. I mean, PCO will be what, a hundred? PCO, they actually will need to use the prods to revive him before the match. It's not part of the gimmick anymore. I don't know if you saw Matt Hardy is going to GCW. Making his debut soon. Because um that's just where GCW is at now. It's just yeah it's just every every week is spring break in GCW. And I think I saw the show he's on as like on a Thursday.
00:20:57
Speaker
for something. I mean they're running, GCW's running Thursday shows in like Louisville. I remember because I saw that like on Twitter or whatever and like I wasn't gonna travel for that show but like just to watch it I was like oh what day like I'm assuming it's gonna be like a Saturday afternoon or a Friday night or something yeah I think it was a weekday. bizarre I mean, once again, now we're in Louisville. We're making our debut there, but we can't just get another show at Nashville. No. The only show I get here is, I mean, on this coming Friday, there's an NWA show. I haven't heard of a single person on the poster and it is it a place that old people go to watch like Elvis impersonators. So I, I didn't even, I have no idea what the size of this room is. I'm, I wish I, mean is it at Graceland?
00:21:47
Speaker
No, it's Memphis. Sorry. It's Memphis. See, they run shows like concerts at Graceland now. Like Graceland is an actual place GCW could potentially run. Oh, I would like that. That sounds fun. thatd actually be but They do the hero Clicks World Championships at Graceland. Yeah. That's one of my silly superhero games. Okay. This is something that Cesaro and Kip know about. Oh yeah. Yeah. They're on the, they're on the inside.
00:22:16
Speaker
Um, this is how I befriended television, Scott Porter. That's my favorite friendship is you two, two of my favorite people. We might be getting him to booting, not wrestling related, but, uh, might be doing a big tournament and booting the facts. They announced some stuff for, uh, for blood sport. Ooh. Yeah. You've got a few matches now. Shayna Basler against me, you Yamashita, Mike Bailey versus Akira. That's fun.
00:22:48
Speaker
Um, two guys from WWE, the creeds don't really know anything about him. well that Josh woods. So this is actually, this is a show that's going to have reads like Austin Creed. No, this is a white man unrelated. Yeah. They're like a tag team out of WWE. I don't know if they were NXT guys or what, but yeah, we talked to, this got discussed in the group chat at some point, but Josh woods, who is signed to AWI think still, he was on TV recently. Um, is also going to be on the show. So that's a, this is where was fun he on like collision last
Podcast Evolution and Wrestling Scene
00:23:19
Speaker
week, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Mike Santana against homicide. That's pretty exciting. Have we seen that before? I feel like we must've, but I can't remember. Like, and I'm saying you and I in a room in Queens, that seems like something that we would have seen. I think they must have crossed paths, but certainly not in blood sport. Yeah. Um, that's actually kind of an interesting matchup to happen at blood sport, but yeah yeah cautiously optimistic.
00:23:46
Speaker
I actually, Homicide just posted, we just came on the five year anniversary of that GCW show in Brooklyn. That was a tribute to him where- Oh, where Louis almost died. Yeah, where Nick Gage almost murdered a man by accident. I will never forget that because you guys were so excited to see Nick Gage and the match lasted three minutes with lowlife Louis crying and running away. Yeah, and then Jimmy Lloyd ran out in the socks. to save the day. And that was a great location too. And I've just been bummed that they never did it again. Yeah. I mean, Williamsburg, we hung out, had good food. Yeah, good food, great location, good subway access. Yeah. The hot crowd. Yeah. That was still in like the, I mean, that was like really towards the beginning of us getting into Nick Gage. Yeah. Like that was, yeah, that was like,
00:24:41
Speaker
have been towards the beginning of this podcast. ah Or at least like post. on No, no, just the this podcast in general, like that would have been. It's just 2019. So it would have been year two. Yeah. Because I remember Joey, we knew Joey was going to AEW. But this is before he went to AEW. And he was there at the beginning of AEW, right? So Cause this was, I forget, was that his last show? I don't know. It was his last one, but it was towards the end. He wrestled Loki on that show. Oh yeah. That was a great match. Yeah. That was a great match. Um.
00:25:21
Speaker
And then ah so is it coming up in Jersey? They have the what's the big not coming break homecoming. You've got a triple threat match of Mansur. Blake and Joey and like what a ladder match or something. Yeah, squeezing out poor Jimmy Lloyd, former champ Jimmy Lloyd. ah No rematch clause in GCW. but There's also I. Yeah, GCW doesn't have a lot of rules with ah what even really constitutes a match. You can just have some a referee come out and be like, this is a match now, post-match. There's been a couple of those. So it's kind of a create your own rules situation. Again, ECW did that 30 years ago. So that's not that's not new in the wrestling biz.
Anticipation for Upcoming Wrestling Events
00:26:13
Speaker
I mean, even Mike Tyson counting the three count on stone cold over Shawn Michaels. Little bit questionable. I don't think that's how special enforcers work in boxing when there is one.
00:26:26
Speaker
So I'm sure we'll we'll discuss last week's dynamite. and this I just want to throw out, in case we didn't mention it, so that's not this coming weekend, right? It's the weekend after split sport. And that will be, so literally, I will not be meeting up with you and Tom that much before the show, because the thing I'm doing directly before that is dropping my father-in-law off at the airport after he's been here for over a week. So I might have myself a little shining moment like Garrett just went through, but totally different context. Shining moment, like happy or shiny moment? Oh, going like the man. Like Jack Nicholson. You just saw a bear blowing a guy. Yeah. Yeah. Just action from the bathroom door. She was a she was quite the lady.
00:27:18
Speaker
um Actually, we can tie her to wrestling. She was fucking in suburban commando. She was was right. What a strange movie. Another tie to wrestling that I remember like reading about when she died. thank I was a big suburban commando kid. And that also had a shaker in it. I never saw it. I wanted to see it, but it just didn't happen. And when you're a kid, there's just nothing you can do about that.
00:27:50
Speaker
not like As an adult, facts, there's a lot you can do about it. Christopher Lloyd, Hulk Hogan, an undertaker in the same movie, and you haven't sat down to just take in Shep Ramsay, space alien, living in Christopher Lloyd's guest room. What's the relationship between Christopher Lloyd and Jimmy Lloyd?
00:28:13
Speaker
um His time traveling. I feel like they're they're like Rick and Morty. Hmm. Do you reass do you realize how good of a job like oh if Jimmy Lloyd were just born sooner, he could have absolutely played Christopher Lloyd's nephew and taxi. They have such a similar vibe but from that. Oh, yeah. Well, and again, depending on how you get in convoluted with the time travel to Nero could have put in a ah good word. um
00:28:44
Speaker
to the Hollywood people to get a man. So I got a taxi driver, taxi, kind of the same thing. You can trust this kid, trust me. And of course we tie this into taxi, not just through Christopher Lloyd, but Andy Kaufman. Of course. All right. Jimmy Lloyd, Jimmy Lloyd hanging out with Andy Kaufman. Now that's actually, that's actually something I would have loved to have seen. You can just imagine, yeah, Jimmy Lloyd wrestling Andy Kaufman with Danny DeVito and Andy Kaufman's corner. That's Danny DeVito. They did, a they did a wrestling episode of always sunny, but also if Andy Kaufman and Danny DeVito's DNA were spliced together, you get Jimmy Lloyd. Do you think Kaufman would have been in the death match? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Full commitment. Yeah. Kaufman would have loved, Kaufman would have definitely wrestled Nick Gage.
00:29:40
Speaker
Now, imagine Andy Kaufman were secretly alive, living on an island with Biggie and Tupac, right? What do we think he would think of David Arquette WCW world champion? Terrible jealousy. I don't think, I think that that would have came eventually, but I think he would have just, he would have just hated, he's like, no kid, you do a death gimmick. That's how you get over it.
00:30:06
Speaker
But I'm just imagining like, 70-ish-year-old Andy Kaufman being like, yeah, I would like to wrestle you, Nick Gage, and no, I don't want you to take it easy on me. Yes, please cut me in the head. Do you think history would be kinder to WCW if David Arquette became a bigger star? Like, if that instead was like Parks and Rec era Chris Pratt, who then goes on to become like the one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, do you retroactively go, you know what, Chris Pratt? W7 champ wasn't that bad.
00:30:39
Speaker
It's pretty subtle. I think so, yeah. I think i think that does change the tone because, and I think, yeah, I think our cat, because our cat, it just hasn't aged. It was would have been still bad at the time, but I think it would have aged differently. Well, and we didn't know for sure, but it seemed like our cat's, career was already on the downswing and that he'd already established his ceiling as the sixth lead in Scream movies. So I think that that's what hurt too is that I think we all knew
00:31:19
Speaker
David Arquette, it wasn't even like, oh, David Arquette, we were pretty sure even then David Arquette was never gonna be a bigger star than he was. Yeah. Honestly, David Arquette and WCW kind of ruined the Scream movies because Deputy Dewey was so likable. And then you saw what appeared to be real life David Arquette, a little less likable. Well, I think that's why they didn't mix any for so many years. Yeah. And people had forgotten. He started doing the, uh, the, the indie wrestling and pavement in Mexico. They start making screen movies again. He gets big paychecks again. He gets residuals again. He got killed in those movies though. They did not bring, he he didn't get to be in the last. He almost got killed at a GCW show. So where'd they also, when you think about it, it feels like they could have, they could have done better if they'd gone with either Scott Kahn or Oliver Platt.
00:32:19
Speaker
Both stronger options in retrospect. I could see Platt and K.O. being a team, you know, if they were around at the same time. I remember even at the time being like, he could be with Hugh Morris. I could believe him and Hugh Morris as a team. Or Hugh G. Rexion, I forget which version he was at that time.
00:32:41
Speaker
Yeah. And AEW was good last week. It was. Very jealous of Matt that he got to see Danielson in Hangman live. That was a fucking match. I actually got spoiled on that match and it still ruled. I, as usual, forgot it was Wednesday. like It's like 8.30. I see the messages in our our group thread. I intentionally don't look at them just in case, but it reminds me, oh, why are there so many messages? Oh shit, there's actually a big dynamite site. And I immediately went and watched it without looking at my phone to make sure I would remain unspoiled. And I'm glad i that was one of the...
00:33:23
Speaker
That was kind of an all timer. I might say it's the best dynamite ever. There's been some really, but it's like, it's, it's the best one in a while. A hot main event. So good. Yes. And quite the angle. I think at the end, I mean, they really i didn't think they were going to pull the pin on that right away. Right. They went right to it and they went hard at it.
MJF's Character in AEW: A Debate
00:33:46
Speaker
Tony storm was like, I am selling this shit. Which was interesting because I remember earlier in the episode, I was thinking, how are they gonna make either of these women a heel? Like I guess technically they're both heels, right? But but they're not, right? Like they're the they're clearly everyone loves both of them. And yeah, I mean, that's how you do it, I guess.
00:34:12
Speaker
Did you see also ah last week on collision, not last week, sorry, two weeks in collision. MJF did a promo like explaining his turn. Did we get into that last week? I don't. I don't think we did. i don't I don't think we did. No, I don't know that I care for, you know, now that it just seems so generic that like, and, you know, matt MJF does it better than than most. But I'm a little upset, not that they turned and heal right after he came back, like whatever. It's just his motivation of like, I did it because fuck you, fans. I just feel like they they could have. Had a better basis for something in there.
00:34:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's almost like the maybe the option was to say I didn't turn. I'm just myself and you guys get to decide if you're going to cheer or boo me. So you want to boo me. I've always been me. um I don't know. Well, he's going to be in rock. Like he seems like he's headed for or maybe already in rock territory where they're just going to do more and more vicious heel turns because they're only going to last a few months before fans just start you or I mean, fans are still cheering him now, but like till he's the biggest babyface in the company. Yeah. And I think part of it was just the the obvious matches he had.
00:35:35
Speaker
work better with him on the heel side right now because you want to do him an osprey you want to do him in swerve you may as well turn him heel but that people are going to cheer him and he'll be he'll be a baby face again by sometime next year yeah and i'm sure that when they were planning this out Right. The plan was he was babyface does the Adam Cole match then turns heel. Right. Right. um So and I do we did talk about that last time. We're like I think this is a clear sign if it wasn't already obvious like Adam Cole eight coming back anytime soon.
Disney and Wrestling: A Fun Intersection
00:36:12
Speaker
Yeah. Matt Cardona doesn't even let him on the good Disney rides anymore. He's like you sit over here and hold the bags at him. Adams like oh you're right. I shouldn't.
00:36:23
Speaker
He does just use his crutches and they get to cut the lines though. Yes. He uses the crutches and then, and then Cardona is like, all right, Adam, you go sit over there. I told Brit, we wouldn't let anything happen to you. So go, go over there. the The most intense ride he's allowed on is the teacup ride. And he's just stepping out and just shatters his ankle from just stepping out of the teacup ride. Yeah, undiscussed that yeah, he re-injured stepping out of the teacups and it's been, it's been hard. Honestly, if AEW, if Punk had stuck around, Adam Cole, CM Punk versus each other in the teacup ride, ah till somebody breaks. And the honestly, it's gonna be shorter than then that three minute match we just talked about. 17 second, 17 second main event.
00:37:14
Speaker
I would sincerely enjoy seeing, I would pay $30 on fight to see CM Punk vomit from a teacup ride. Just legitimately vomit. I'd love to see that. They both just break all their wrists, spinning it at the very beginning. Just too, just real floppy. Yeah, like, and it's not, I don't have a weird quirk or anything with vomit. It's just like, that's one of the, like, you can't mask how unpleasant it feels as it's happening. And I wanna see, I wanna see punk in that level of vulnerability.
00:37:57
Speaker
um So for our sweet in all out, there's gonna be a baby in it, facts. I don't know if you knew this.
00:38:06
Speaker
I didn't, but just make sure they got the metal detectors on.
00:38:13
Speaker
What are you applying, Vex? I'm just saying babies, large crowds, famous- Okay, fair fair for enough. Fair enough. Tony Khan's an important man. If Shad's there, he's one of the richest men in the world. Yeah, but this last week's dynamite was awesome. ah As of this record, we have not obviously seen the new episode of dynamite, which will have been yesterday as you're listening to this. But hopefully awesome. hopefully Wow. Are they giving Little Rock, Arkansas a hot card? Good for Little Rock. Well, it's too fitty, right?
00:38:56
Speaker
But it's just, that means two weeks in a row, they're doing kind of the, the pay-per-view dynamite, like the big dynamites. And that's really three weeks in a row counting last week's, which was kind of a surprise big one. yeah So when I saw there was going to be 250, Like I was like, Oh wow, that's a lot. Like that's more than I thought. Like I kind of did the math and I had them like, Oh yeah, checks out what I didn't, I saw online. I didn't verify it, but it it seems true. But the weird passage of time. Uh, as you get older, somebody was saying like, in only like three or four months, it will have been on the air longer than nitro. No way. Yeah. Cause nitro didn't start until like 94, 95.
00:39:43
Speaker
So it might be even sooner than that then, right? No, it's a little, but it's not that far. So Nitro ran from 95 until March 2000, September 95 to March 2001. So that's five and a half years. I don't remember how soon it is, but it was way sooner than I thought that AEW Dynamite will be surpassing WCW Nitro for the second longest wrestling show on cable. Yeah, it's like it's like March or April of next year. yeah
00:40:14
Speaker
so That's really, really crazy. Just in time for Daniel since first comeback match.
00:40:22
Speaker
No, it is. I've been thinking, I've been thinking a bit about this recently because it really is this thing of the distance, like sometimes like, wow, it really feels like it's been a long time since. you know, AW started, it feels like a distant time. And that's because in part it is, right? It really has become this thing. it it It feels like one continuous thing. And a lot of the people who were involved at the beginning are still there. Obviously a couple aren't. um But, you know, the the passage of time, and this is this really is has become kind of an institution pretty quickly, for better and worse.
00:41:01
Speaker
What year did it start in 2019? 2019, October 2019. Oh, wow. real That's insane that it was really not going that long before we hit pandemic times. And then it really just carried our sanity there for which a couple of years. I think, well, wool in years in the future will probably be like the great what if question of this rest era of wrestling. right? Like it'll be the what if wwew WWE didn't do the WCW invasion like of the next generation of like, what if the pandemic doesn't happen? Does WC does WWE just stomp them? Do they do so much better? Like, does the Wednesday night wars continue? Like, there's so many interesting what ifs that obviously we'll never know. Yeah, I actually think in some ways. So because it cuts both ways, right? I do think AEW in the pandemic
00:41:56
Speaker
Because they were able to keep sort of that feeling of some sort of feeling of normalcy right with the with the wrestlers in the crowd and then some fans. I do think that really helped them against w WWE during that time period at the same time. And this was true across a lot of entertainment. When things came back, people gravitated towards big things and not small things, right? Taylor Swift, not indie bands. And I think that is a thing that helped WWE. People came back to the big thing to go to the big show. And I think that helped the revitalization of w WWE in 2022.
00:42:37
Speaker
Well, and I think you could argue that the pandemic from just the zeitgeist perspective might have helped both of them, right? In terms of not just like maintaining ratings, but like maintaining mind space, making new fans, because I'm a huge sports fan, right? And that's one of the things wrestling gives me is this line of like simulated sports coverage that that appeals to me. And there just wasn't any of that. There was no sports center. There was no anything. It was like wrestling was the only it was like the wrestling and fucking Tiger King. That was it. Kids in the future that won't have known about the pandemic, it fucking sucked.
00:43:19
Speaker
di Yeah. Not great. Not recommended at all. Yeah. If you're, if you're listening to this episode, like 10 years from now, as you're diving, as you've gotten through like your pod podcasts. Yeah. Don't it's was not great. We made three episodes. There's, there are episodes about that from, from the pandemic and it is guys, I don't think we sound great. I think we sound a little crazy. Well, then is there a missing episode? Isn't there a lost episode? There is a lost episode. A lot of people don't know. it just never gossed up Yeah. Yeah. a Those episodes, I would be mortified to go back and listen because I was probably so drunk while we recorded most of those. Probably. I was definitely drunk for a couple. I was pretty drunk most of the pandemic. Yeah. It's interesting. word i've I've been going back. There's certain podcasts where I've been like, oh, that sounds like a ah cool podcast to check out, but some of them were done during the pandemic and it is
00:44:14
Speaker
So weird to hear people talking about that stuff from three, four years in the future. And you're like, this is going to just age weirder and weirder and weirder. It's also gonna be weird, like, you know, obviously, like, they won't do Blu-rays, but, like, you gotta figure, like, WWE Network, and if they ever do, like, an AEW part of Max or whatever Warner Brothers might do with them, you know, there'll be some kind of streaming with, like, best of packages, and it's, like, you just kind of mix in, like, some of these clips of, like, oh, they're doing an empty arena angle? It's like, no, no, that was just the way it was for... a really long time no one liked it not on purpose just the way it had to be. I've seen some so in like looking watching like comps and stuff like that I've seen a couple of the AEW like pandemic era matches and those are weird but not too like they they don't fit too terribly into the overall continuum although in part just because it's such a high percentage of the overall time period of AEW even still it's you know
00:45:20
Speaker
a fifth of it, essentially more. Yeah. I'm just saying again, like 10, 20 years in the future when it's like a 16 year old, that is just yeah zero context for any of this, right? Like, yeah, it's gotta be a weird poll. I think the WWE Thunderdome is going to be weirder though to explain like, Oh, why, why are there flickering TV screens in the back of this thing? It has to be just the fucking weirdest idea. Why does only such a small percentage of people's screens have Nazi flags on them? I forgot that I got into the Thunderdome, wore a Nicki Bella hat. I was in for two seconds and they kicked me out. Because that Bella hat? I don't know. I know they had to- No, they were selling him, right? Or was that before they were selling him?
00:46:06
Speaker
It was for, like at this point it was free, but I- That's why like they were just cycling through to get more people on. Cause then they eventually start selling tickets for it. Literally kids, you had to pay money to watch raw on your fucking laptop and have your screen ah face appear on a screen. It's it's weird now. They must have just seen my face and been like, he doesn't look well. like We need to get him out of here. Something's been going on with him. It wasn't two seconds. It was actually eight seconds because that's what standards and practices got your face. Nope.
00:46:47
Speaker
Are you worried that eventually AEW is going to get bought by WWE just for the content for the library? But when you try and watch it back, it is the audio has been cut and it's just a continuous fart noise they've placed over the top. Well, and and Jericho's WWE music. yeah I don't think so. I think they're going to find a contract with with Warner brothers. It's going to be slightly less than they were expecting earlier, like a year earlier.
00:47:20
Speaker
but it's going to be enough money that it basically makes the company viable and they just keep going. That's, that's kind of what I think the landing point is going to be. Well, and I think also Tony Khan just wouldn't sell to Vince anyway, right? Just on principle. Like I think he would, cause that was the thing with, especially if you watch like the death of who killed WCW, they do get into the, like, why did the TV rights stuff kind of happen as quick as it did. And it was basically because Turner was like, well, we're done with WCW. We just want to get rid of it as soon as possible. Right. That's essentially what it boils down to when the Bischoff thing falls through. And with this, where it's like, no, Tony Conch owns it all, right? So he'll just keep it. And he's like, someone will pay a larger amount of some amount of money. In the last, again, like the new UFC w WWE company actually offers like the amount that it's worth, which in the Vince era would have never happened, but maybe, I don't know, maybe it does. Maybe they'll offer $200 million dollars or something like that in the library. Like maybe Tony Conch would do it.
00:48:19
Speaker
Yeah. And then Tony would just be like, okay, but I'm still just going to run our weight shows just for fun.
00:48:27
Speaker
And then everyone just be like, go for it. Go for it. Do you see our our friend of the show? Carrie silken had some not great things to say about TK and the way he's been treating the ROH brand.
00:48:41
Speaker
I mean, I can see why, what did Carrie, I'm curious, what did Carrie say? I think Carrie said what we're all thinking, right? Where I think he did say some of the effect of like, these are just the shows that used to be on YouTube and they're calling it Ring of Honor and they're not really, it's not like top level stars. And I think he called that Athena as like the exception to the rule, but he's like, just generally, this is just like a little internet show. that has nothing to do with the Spirit of Ring of Honor, which is accurate. Yes. Is Billy Stark still over there with the ah title? She is. Yeah. Does she get matches? Yes. I don't watch it, but whenever i I get it in my Twitter feed, she seems like she's on pretty regularly. Yeah. Like, I kind of think what's kind of what's happened is that Tony ah has, I think, maintained the Spirit of Ring of Honor
00:49:35
Speaker
as it relates to the quarterly pay-per-view shows. He puts on yeah a true ring of honor show once every four months. And those TV shows, I don't think, again, and I'm not going to disagree with Carrie Silken, right? It's what's left over. They are, I think, doing, because they own, that they're they're doing everything at that esports arena for the next couple of months. It sounds does sound like they're going to do some ROH tapings there separate from Collision so that at least it's going to be kind of ah a little bit of a thoughtful thing for A couple months, I guess. wait Is this the thing in Universal? No, in Texas. there they There's an esports arena in Arlington, Texas. And every episode of collision, along with some Ring of Honor tapings and the Ring of Honor pay-per-view in a couple of weeks are going to be from there for like six weeks. I assume because it was cheap. Hmm.
00:50:30
Speaker
I don't know. I still don't quite, it's one of those deals where they announced it and I was like, okay, that's a thing. I mean, we'll, we'll see with collision. We will never know with ring of honor because none of us know anyone that will watch it. No. Like I'm not like, if somebody told you like there was an absolute Billy Starks banger on this week's ring of honor TV, like, I'd probably be like, cool, good for her. Can't wait till she gets called up. I probably wouldn't seek it out because it just wouldn't be worth the trouble, quite frankly. Yeah. And I know there'd be nothing else on the show I'd have any interest in. Yeah. Why hasn't she been called up? They're doing this angle with the theme. I think they're committed to that angle in certain ways and they just want to see. Although I really don't understand why that angle. Unless they just feel like
00:51:29
Speaker
They want them to be like big fish in the small pond to make the angle work. I don't understand why that angle is not on so national television quarterly show, right? Like you still, I guess, but is that really that many more tickets? Yeah, I think there is also just the thing of how much TV time, regardless of whose decision it is, how much TV time they give the women, right? So it's like, there clearly seems to be a cap. I don't know who imposes it on how much TV time and and certainly match time the women get. So they kind of just were like, let's rotate in like Mariah May has been like the she wrestles every week. And then it's like, okay, well, now that she's at like that world title challenger level,
00:52:10
Speaker
maybe now somebody else can start and you know, Willow's been on most weeks, but it's like, there just isn't enough spots to have that. yeah And so I do think from a developmental perspective, it probably is better to have a wrestle every week of Ring of Honor. Oh, for Billy Starks. yeah Yeah, for Billy, not for Athena's perplexing, but yeah they were because it people were that, you know, its obviously if you guys heard Stephanie Vacher, who was, you know, wrestled Mercedes on Forbidden Door, signed with WWE. And there were some people saying like, oh, I can't, you know, as with anything on the internet, right? People are, everyone's upset about everything.
00:52:47
Speaker
um But to me, I'm like, look, well, yes, would I prefer that she's an AEW? Yes, because I think she's good and I would like to watch more of her. um It's hard to argue that there aren't more like productive spots for women in WWE at this point than AEW, right? I think AEW is improving in that. think they're doing better, um but it's still not at the same level where just like, yeah, like a mid-card woman is probably making a really good salary and getting plenty of TV time. And honestly, like WWE kind of has the best women's roster in the whole world still, like that hasn't really changed. I don't know if that's like, I think it's probably true still, but I think it's, it's close. Like I think that like,
00:53:33
Speaker
you'd lose the argument, but you could actually have the argument. Whereas even a year ago, I don't think there was an argument, particularly with, because Becky Lynch didn't resign, right? Like she's great gonna presumably, but like, you know, all the horse women aren't on TV, right? For w WWE anymore. And I don't know, partially this is just because I don't watch WWE, but like, even when I do watch, there's really not a lot there I'm super interested in. I'm sure they have the talent, but the shit they put on TV whenever I'm on the channels. Very mid. Yeah, I think the depth is stronger in w WWE. But I do think yeah, with especially with Becky leaving um and Charlotte being hurt for a lot of the last couple years, I think at the high end, you you really you could make the argument now with a w much more so than you could have a year ago, especially as people get healthy, right? If you had
00:54:28
Speaker
Again, and although, again, fair to be fair, the the flip is to be what if Charlotte gets healthy? Fair point. But um yes, I will argue against myself. But lawyer. Lawyer. Uh, I'll argue all the sides. Um, but no, I think, you know, if you look at, you got Mercedes, I think Willow and Statlander coming into their own has really made adapting. Mariah May has been great. Um, they've found ways to use people like Parazzo and Deeb and Thunder Rosa, not in the main event. Um, I think there's, I think it's much more arguable. and let Let's be clear. Timeless Tony storm.
00:55:04
Speaker
is probably the best woman's character and comedy we've ever seen in any women's division anywhere, ever. You're saying of all time? Yeah, and I don't even think it's close. like I think like that's not just the, because the Becky rise was the biggest woman's story ever, right? And then that was, but that was like your your typical underdog story thing that they tell in wrestling, every fucking WrestleMania. Whereas she, what, what Tony storm's doing is like the fucking rock. Like she's just completely changing things. She's on a whole nother level on the microphone and character wise of any woman ever.
00:55:59
Speaker
It's just, I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of the counter argument and I'm not really coming up with A good one, I think i think Becky would be, you know maybe again, I think you could make an argument for Becky. um I think there were some interesting periods for some women in w WWE, e but generally not strong enough workers to, you know like the Bellas, for example, had a really strong run there, especially Nikki. But I mean, if you're looking at the actual matches, I think we're taking Tony Storm matches.
00:56:32
Speaker
pretty easily. And I'm not even talking about the matches, right? I mean, like, the Bellas were very famous, but like, they weren't as characters on a TV show. yeah you' not I see what you mean. Like I can definitely in WWE wwe think of like some top tier matches, but when you look, it's like, these are just kind of people like they're where Tony storm has a thing. Uh, yeah, no, I, yeah. Like Becky, Becky Lynch peaking at WrestleMania 30. That was great.
00:57:06
Speaker
34 I mean that was just though she was running back to Daniel Bryan story She did a supremely amazing job at it, right? But it was it was the same wrestling story. We've seen a hundred times. It's nothing breathtaking Right. Whereas Tony storm like we've never like that's why it's like I'm comparing her to the rock and I don't think that's crazy.
00:57:27
Speaker
I Think that's crazy. I think I don't think she's the rock I I think she's. I think she's, she's closer to the rock than whoever's number two is to her.
00:57:43
Speaker
Chris, you were throwing out the Bellas as the number two, like two minutes ago. I love Nikki Bella. Yeah. well Yeah, no, I think we're just, I think Garrett and I are just Bella supporters. I think we're, I think she's, I think they're both great. Um, you're particularly Nikki.
00:58:03
Speaker
and Um, I look, and they were just part of the issue was right. There were just long stretches where no one got a shot, right? Someone like Trish Stratus had, you know, what, what, how many, how many real shots did she get? Not many to really even have an impactful character. Right. I think, and look, a lot of good stuff happened in TNA, but it happened in TNA, you know? We'll never know. We'll never know. I've went back and watched some of it, but yeah, exactly at the time, right? I mean, no one, they weren't really making a dent in the wider consciousness in a way that... We will know the full contents of Area 51 before I know anything that happened on TNA.
00:58:56
Speaker
Didn't we do an episode of whatever ear of our old podcast about it? Yeah, we did a couple. you forced You did force me to watch some TNA, but I watched the bare minimum to do my job as a podcast journalist. Yeah, I think it actually, we did one of those was about a women's match, so I'm pretty sure we did Gail Kim against Awesome Kong. We sure did. We sure did. Who were both great. And again, I think if you put that on w WWE TV, in whatever it was 2009. Yeah, but again, I think it's hard to argue with them, you know, from a at that perspective from its TNA. I would actually argue the same. Here's the name we haven't thought of in a while for obvious reasons. But I feel like that was that time I was watching. I think
00:59:45
Speaker
you know, Tessa Blanchard was actually the TNA champion for a stretch. And I think that was actually a pretty good and impactful run. Um, and she was really, really good at the time. Uh, good reasons not to think about that. But again, it was also, it was 2018 TNA or 19 TNA. I mean, by the way, yeah I know we were talking about women's wrestling. So I don't, you were likely going to say a woman's name, but I thought there was a chance you might've said Marty's girl. I just figured we hadn't talked about old Marty in a while on night on the air. We talked about him a lot off the air. I think we're just fascinated with where he went and just, it's just really.
01:00:25
Speaker
I'm just interested. I'm curious, what's his financial situation, right? Yeah. We got we had Cody pulling 10 mil a year, right? We know we know the box, you know, and Kenny are are doing well. We know Okada is making money. Like, I mean, at the time, right, like Marty got a pre sizable deal with Ring of Honor before the wheels came off. Yeah. I don't think anything he did would like hold off, like hold up in a court of law of like invalidating it. Right. But obviously ring of honor kind of went out of business too. So like how much of that ring of honor money did Marty get? How financially comfortable do you think Marty, Marty's girl? So I do still follow him on Instagram for just this curiosity. He recently posted something that said,
01:01:13
Speaker
he He posted the hashtag we want Marty and he's selling a shirt that says that and he said he would follow you on Instagram if you bought that shirt and were seen wearing it on any television show. um Which is. I mean, it's kind of desperate, I think is what I'm saying. Wait, so we could go to like a Wheel of Fortune recording with those shirts? I think it's possible. And Marty's Girl would follow us on Instagram. We tried to be in the audience of the view while we were filming the shirts.
01:01:46
Speaker
um
01:01:51
Speaker
I'm pulling up because I will wear it to a wrestling show where people know what it means, but I'll wear it to the view. And also, you know, if you get if you get a we want Marty sign on TV, he'll send you a signed eight by 10. But it's of his dick. That's the problem. Is that you'll see how it's, you know, my name is Chris. He's like, oh, Christine. Nice. Do you think he has a day job?
01:02:16
Speaker
Well, that's kind of what I'm wondering. I bet he doesn't have a day job, but like, how long does he have till the money runs out? Well, I think he's getting close. I think that's the issue. I think he's getting close. Yeah. and why You you've got to buy a this. We want Marty Coosy to, to help pay the rent. I think those are knee pads. Now, Marty, if you're listening, and I assume you are, um just you're just desperate to hear the English language, um wrestling in some gulag somewhere. um
01:02:51
Speaker
So Marty, i'll I'll speak directly to you. If you want our support, okay, there's an easy way to do it. You gotta get Garrett a comic book. He is a good comic book.
01:03:06
Speaker
He did not order a villain enterprises comic book, but you know at this point, if that's the only one we're getting, we'll take it. yeah I'll wear the shirt. I'll wear it to grand slam, Marty. I don't think I'm getting on TV. I think we are. I think we actually, depending on how that camera is set up, there's a real chance. Okay, Marty. Marty, Jimmy facts is the Instagram handle. You contact me. If you can make a comic book happen, whether it's the one that Garrett had originally purchased or different, if you buy some back issues of the old Undertaker comic from the 90s, I'll take it. But if Marty Skirrell can get Garrett Callender some comic books about wrestling, I'll wear the shirt. All right.
01:03:57
Speaker
I will actually also accept a pair of those control your narrative shorts out of EC3's garage. You get the shorts. I'll wear it. I'll wear it to. Yeah, I mean, I'll I'll get tickets to to Maury or something. I'll find some show recording in the New York area. Isn't Maury dead? Yeah, I think no, I don't think Maury is the Jerry Springer died. Jerry Springer said, yeah. I will say my favorite comment, they still did ah TRL. I'll get on TRL with this. Yeah. I think that's a good thing. My favorite comments, Instagram posts, the first, and this is the first one. So this is the highlighted one. Just call Tony Khan Marty's response. You think he wants to buy one Instagram person stand from Japan for the record. No, but he probably would buy you weird and have you on dynamite by next week.
01:04:56
Speaker
No, no, no, no, he wouldn't stand from Japan. He, he would not. That's the problem. We're not supposed to say it out loud. Stand from Japan. Come on. Although Marty's your own. I think pretty sure I've said this on the show before first, you know, celebrity, quote unquote, to ever respond to one of my tweets because I was live watching him wrestle in New Japan in Tokyo. And I was the only English speaking person posting tweets about his match in real time where it would have been like four in the morning in New York or whatever. Yeah. He was, uh, he wrestled recently somewhere in France, Bezler's France, uh, in what looks like a dirt. Arena gulags there. Yep. Um, he also, he went to Italy and he visited the Coliseum. Yeah. He's, he was giving everyone the finger. Yeah.
01:05:49
Speaker
Garrett's got it up on the screen. What they didn't say is he was working at the Coliseum selling hot dogs. That's what is. but so get dougs yeah Yeah. I know there are people who are like, look, you can't follow someone on Instagram if they've been canceled. I can't recommend the follow more than with Marty's girl and just seeing just keeping track with what's going on in that man's life. I can i don't blame you because I don't unfollow anyone ever, like it unless like there's a specific catalytic incident. But I just don't care enough, and I don't really spend enough time on any of the platforms. I remember once when I was dating my now wife, and she'd say, are you still friends with ex-girlfriends? And I'm like, on Facebook? And so I'm like, probably. like I never go through and like remove people.
01:06:39
Speaker
And she thought that was really weird. And I'm like, I think it's really weird that you give a shit about who who can see your shitty pictures. So out of curiosity, I looked at Marty Skirrell. I still know 50 people that follow him. However, I just ah took a look at my one of them. Let me let me. I don't know. yeah um Though, I'm sure you are. I think every... I probably do want on Twitter. I don't think on Instagram. I wasn't really using Instagram regularly. No, you don't on Instagram. Before he was canceled.
01:07:23
Speaker
But I was curious if more people I knew followed Marty Skirrell or Kevin Spacey. So I just looked up Kevin Spacey's Instagram and I still know four people following Kevin Spacey. Am I one of those? You are not, but Gordon Ramsey is. Okay. are Interesting. andinke the demand I will note that of I'm looking at the list of people who follow Marty. Included in that list, Matt Jackson. Not gonna hire him, but has not unfollowed him on Instagram. um Also, circle six. Okay, I've got a new offer for Marty. Marty. contract Again. been rewritten over and over jim Jimmy Fax. No, no, the first one's still valid. I'm giving him a better offer if he wants to take it. But he's gotta earn it, right?
01:08:18
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Instagram handle Jimmy facts. I can message you that the sizes were need three of those shorts, three shorts, three comic books. You make that happen. I will do everything at my power to get Gordon Ramsey to wear one of your shirts on one of his TV shows.
01:08:41
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i can I think I can make it happen.
01:08:45
Speaker
I'll tell him that Garrett will stop stealing his silverware. but If he just wears the shirt for one like backstage segment on Elle's kitchen. here's Here's my pitch. Here's my pitch for Marty. um Marty, if you show up to one Circle Six show and do a death match, I will wear the We Want Marty shirt and and you can cover it in blood. And I will then wear that to an AEW show. Okay, I got one last one last offer for Marty. This one's a big one. This is a big one. Marty, I will make sure you have a seat in our suite for all in or all out, all out in Chicago. I'll just make sure we have an extra seat. I'll pay for it. You can wear your own shirt and show up on camera there. Now, what do you got to do to get this? You know, you don't need to work a circle six show.
01:09:38
Speaker
You do need to work a death match, but it's going to be at Chris's daughter's next birthday party in Queens, New York. And you're fighting beast man. but's scott's gods And you got to talk beast man into it. He's not not does not return our calls anymore. It got a little too weird. We were a little too obsessed. We were too weird. I like too many pictures. It's a whole thing. Weirdly, you're the this is the one person, Marty, that you would weird out less.
01:10:10
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hey
01:10:16
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but i i will I will offer a substitute if we if we cannot get Beastman up from West Virginia because he's busy or in Japan. um You can wrestle hard way heater in my backyard at my daughter's birthday party, but Heater gets to call the match. That's important here. Vax, before we wrap up, didn't you have a question for us that you wanted to ask on air? um Oh, yeah. So we were talking about other shows and we were talking about stuff going on in like the New York, New Jersey area. And Chris reminded me that full gear
01:10:53
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is is in New Jersey, which is the pay-per-view in November, which isn't super soon, but doesn't seem super far away. And I'm wondering why the hell aren't, and Chris kind of just a matter of fact would be, oh, we don't need to really like it, like tickets aren't on sale, they won't be for a while. But like, why not? They announced that show with the date where it is, they must have assigned contract like months ago. They've been having trouble selling these shows. why Why wouldn't they have tickets on sale as early as possible? The only thing that would make sense to me based on, and I'm not saying that's necessarily good logic, but I think the logic is that they've been selling tickets to one show in a market at a time. And that's why they did the pre-sale thing at Forbidden Door where they were like, okay, Forbidden Door has happened. Now we can do a pre-sale for Grand Slam. I would actually wager there's a decent chance they put full gear tickets on sale while we're at Grand Slam. I mean, I guess there's some logic, but it it does seem like
01:11:53
Speaker
the conversion rate of people that are physically in the building for another AEW show is gonna be pretty high, whether you let them do it or not. like We did buy Grand Slam tickets literally inside the arena at the last AEW pay-per-view, but like I've also been in that exact situation and been like in a big arena or a big like tennis stadium, and it's like, oh shit, I can't get a good enough connection for Ticketmaster. Like it's it's kind of the worst time to give it to me. Cause it's like, Hey, do I want to watch Tony storms match or do I want to buy tickets to the next show?
01:12:31
Speaker
You know what was really nice is at the Staples Center when I used to go to WWE shows there, if you went to a house show, ah they would say at the during the main event of this match or of the tonight's show, if you run down to the box office, you can buy tickets to, and it'd be like the next pay-per-view that's gonna be at the Staples Center before they go on sale anywhere. And I missed many a main event of a WWE show I was at to run downstairs, do a physical box office, and leave with tickets in my head. Fuck you, Garret, and that's why we don't know if AJ Styles and Hornswoggle have ever fought.
01:13:15
Speaker
You inconsiderate prick. I remember walking out on a John Cena, Kevin Owens street fight to go get Hell in a Cell tickets. I don't know if you made the right choice on that. Yeah, it was the Undertaker and Brock Lesnar in that cell. And I remember that being a pretty decent one. Yeah, those hell in the cells are always fun, even in person, just cool to see a big cage and people slamming into it. I will say, though, I'm just looking at this now, we got significant of significantly cheaper ticket price for good seats than I think what's available now on in the presale. So I'm i'm
01:13:53
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pleased with that decision we made there and I guess also I'm pleased with the strength of the wi-fi at the UBS Arena. Yeah we we got it done real quick um and yeah we did notice even at the time we're like hey these tickets seem like it was no decision to be made. The ticket prices were so reasonable we're like yeah well we'd be cool already to not buy them right now. Legitimately a hundred dollars less than last year for better seats. That's insane, the tickets for Blood and Guts, I'm getting on right now. Cause I got those as soon as they went on sale while I was in line for tickets to a secret Maggie Rogers show. She was, I don't know if, remember if I said this on the podcast, but she walked through the line to greet all of us. And she got to me right as I was like, tickets trying to go into the cart. And I had to be like, hey,
01:14:43
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and go back down into my phone. It looks like a real asshole. But tickets to blood and guts are pretty fucking expensive. And I want to see if those have gone down in certain areas. but he will here's bret so so maybe Maybe they've gone up and Mike, I have a theory about this, but but Chris, you go first. I would say last year's Grand Slam tickets were, I paid $250 per ticket. We paid $150. That's still expensive. It's not cheap, but it's $100 discount. Currently, for seats a row in front of the ones that we got, it is $350 a ticket and it says it's a standard ticket, and not platinum. so i
01:15:25
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I don't know if they use that first sale to sort of set the pricing or something like that, but. um I mean, again, it kind of makes sense, right? Keep your diehards coming and then but geek scarcity, especially since it's such a bigger venue, right? It's such a yeah venue that like it kind of looks bad, right? If there's anybody on the fence and they're like, oh, tickets only went on sale last week. And they just go and there's like, oh, there's a lot of fucking blue dots still. Um, I'm looking at this. I could get third row on the floor for the price I paid for like 10 rows up hard cam. Ooh. You might want to call ticket masters even meet that trade. They will let you trade. I mean, ticket master will let you trade for the $10 fee. I'd consider that. I like 10th, 10th row hard cam better myself, but yeah, that's a hard for, for blood and guts. That's actually, I think a,
01:16:19
Speaker
a question, but third row floor, if it's a good spot on the floor, is interesting. And I mean, you do get the rest of the show, right, too. So it's like you're you're basically at an indie show just with the best wrestlers in the world. Like, you get to see Okada from three rows away. Well, I guess he's in the blood and guts match, but but he'll be inside that cage. Yeah.
Warhammer and Wrestling Podcast Aspirations
01:16:39
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Yeah. It's hard to say. I think I'm going to stick with what I have just because it's I feel like middle of the the cage and hard game. It's probably pretty good. I don't even know if they're doing a rampage that night. That's not listed on the but ticket. Maybe they're doing it at the e-sports arena. Yeah, they may be. Yeah, that may be they're shooting those there. Then there goes my theory because my theory was that all the prices were going to be up because
01:17:03
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every Warhammer podcast is talking about AAW now. And i'm I'm actually not joking. I was listening to one this morning, they kept talking about AAW, AAW, AAW. And I've listened to a few. I think it's like, because as I think we all know, regardless of what the topic matter is of what podcasts you do, podcasters as a population are like 90% wrestling fans. That's true. So I think that now that they have a reason to talk about wrestling on their Warhammer podcast, they're hitting for it. But they're not gonna be the number one, or no, I wanted to be the number two. I wasn't going for number one. I wanna be the number two Warhammer wrestling podcast. I'll get there someday. Number one's a lot of pressure. Number two, you can... Well, and then I just wanna get to number two and then completely fall out of the public eye when I do a YouTube live stream playing Warhammer against Marty Skurll in Poland.
01:18:03
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with both of our our pants off. We're doing strip Warhammer. We also get banned from YouTube and possibly the United Nations. All right, everybody.
Excitement for Tomohiro Ishii's Matches
01:18:15
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Do we have anything else? Are you going on New Japan, Chris? G1 starts soon. All right. We'll talk about that then then. We get a summer of Ishii. yeah that's a bit Ishii's coming to America. I'm excited for that. He's definitely gonna be an HOG for you eventually, right? It has to be. Probably. Oh, yeah. i And if he does, I'm definitely showing up just to take a picture with Tomohiro Ishii. I can't wait to see Tomohiro Ishii against... Homicide after Ray Phoenix no-shows the match. I'm stoked. I'm actually...
01:19:00
Speaker
No joke, but I would definitely buy first row for Ishi against homicide. I mean, that's not implausible. That is not an implausible match. We will be able to buy tickets for it. Yeah. There's a, there's a real chance that if that happens, you'll be texting me like, Hey, should we go to this show? And I was like, great. Because I already have four first row tickets. for this status yes I didn't even ask anyone. I just bought four and I figured i'd figured I'd figure out later.
01:19:28
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They could be the undercard at your daughter's next birthday.
Upcoming Wrestling Event Planning
01:19:35
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I'm looking at this. I don't think for it does say rampages at Blood and Guts, but I don't think they sold anything beyond the hundred level. It doesn't even look like they opened two or three hundred. And what venue is it? It's called the Bridgestone. Bridgestone. Yeah. So it's still I mean, it's still a lot of seats. I mean, Yeah, but it's only half of it. It's not even they didn't even the side across or the side where the camera is going to be set up is empty. It's like. yeah Oh, it's half and only. the Yeah, that's not. It's half of a hundred level is what it's showing me. So it's like four thousand probably probably five thousand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not not great. Not like when we saw the switchblade J. Wait, make his AWW debut.
01:20:26
Speaker
And the, yeah, the municipal auditorium. Yeah. They honest. Well, I guess municipal is a lot smaller, like probably wouldn't have worked as well for the cage. So I'm assuming they needed Bridgestone for that set up. But or again, like they they might book these arenas so far in advance. Right. That like they didn't. It's like, OK, well, we're doing the Bridgestone. We thought a year ago we were going to do 10,000 tickets. Now, you know, as once tickets, that could be the other reason these tickets up on sale earlier. How are we going to scale the building down?
01:21:02
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dad Yeah, that I'll just say this. ah Based on the map I'm looking at right now, expect to see some sad photos on Facebook of people being like, oh, look at AEW and not fucking look at AEW. Yeah. All right, it's going to be fun, though. I will not see those unless Kevin Spacey posts them, but OK. If he's sitting next to me, I'm going to have to go to the box office and pay the 10 bucks to move to the floor.
Social Media Humor and Future Episodes
01:21:33
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Now, how many of your friends are following Richard Dreyfuss? That's what I want. Well, he didn't do anything wrong, though, right? He's just an asshole. I just he's an old man who doesn't really know how to use computers, I would assume. Yeah.
01:21:47
Speaker
It's like you're following him, you'd have to have found him, right? there's like It's not like a Richard Dreyfus tweet or Instagram post came up in your feed because of the algorithm. Like you sought out Richard Dreyfus. He does have Instagram and the only person I follow that follows him is Chevy Chase. Oh, and look, and look there is Richard Dreyfus wearing the We Want Marty t-shirt.
01:22:16
Speaker
ah Oh, shit. All right, everybody, thanks again for listening. We'll be back. Wait, do we have rent you have a show next? A couple of weeks from now, but we'll be back next week. We'll talk. We'll be we'll be back. We'll be back. We've been here. We're maybe we have. Well, after you do blood and guts next week, maybe we can push it out. It may might be a duosued duosued guy. Whatever. What am I? I'm trying to make up words. I might not be able to make it next week, but you guys should do it without me. Duo suit? What were you- What were you- What were you- Duo an episode? I was trying to combine into a single word. You had lost me so hard. I thought you were telling me- I was intentionally- A medication you were gonna be on that wasn't going to allow you to be here. I was just having a stroke in the middle of a word. Yeah, I was trying intentionally to combine those two words into a single word. I didn't just lose cognitive ability.
01:23:12
Speaker
I was worried you were stroking out or like the mommy pills that I have to take. It's like, take two duo suits and call me in the morning. It'll make you cum dust.
01:23:25
Speaker
And then you buy your duo suit wipes to clean the dust up. ah All right, everybody. We'll talk to you next time. We got blood and guts next week and, uh, hopefully it's good. Hopefully I'm not the only person in this arena. Um, have a good week in our goddamn use.