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America Don't Need No Wooooo Coins!
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All 3 boys are back for the first time in a month! Chris and Fax attended AEW World's End and tailgated with some Wooooo Energy! The boys are also talking Swerve's hog, Wrestle Kingdom and more!
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Hosts Return and Reflect
00:00:35
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined at Pro Wrestling. Hang out, I'm your, nope. No, no, that's the old one. That's the old one. We've been saying it different. And you know what? We've been gone a few weeks. Chris, Fax, Garrett, we're all here. And it's been a minute. I missed you guys. The list, you two, I still see you guys. The last episode we released was December 8th.
00:01:03
Speaker
Holy shit. And when was the last time, were all three of us on December 8th? I feel like no, right? No. So when was the last time all three of us, probably before Thanksgiving, right? Definitely. Because there was dental dam, and then Chris coming on to tell me how wrong we were about dental dams. Yep, yep. It looks like maybe October 9th, I don't know. Wow. Wow. It's been a while, guys.
00:01:31
Speaker
We've talked, but yeah, we haven't gotten to record. We've all been, we've just all been very emotional boys for the last, it's like the middle series of the predetermined shows, nice boys who like, whatever, we are sad emo boys who still like to do wrestling.
00:01:58
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I think we were all going through different things. I mean, facts had a hell of a year. And then Chris, like I feel like you and I both caught it like right towards the end of the year. We went through some shit. We're getting through some shit. We're back to talk about wrestling for you. Yeah, I mean,
Garrett's New Podcast
00:02:27
Speaker
The problem is, I think we figured it out with my doctors is that back in like last January, I was taking out the trash and I didn't think anything of it. I was throwing the garbage bag in and a rabid Jimmy Lloyd attacked me trying to find some pizza crust in the box and bit me. And at the time it wasn't rabies, but as it turns out, yeah, a lot of disease I picked up from that rabid Jimmy Lloyd.
00:02:56
Speaker
Not Gremlins, but have you seen the movie Munchy? No, I don't believe so. Now that I'm thinking about it, I think that might have been Jimmy Lloyd. Is this what bit you, Fax? Yeah, no, that's it. I mean, but the eyes were a lot more red and bloodshot.
00:03:25
Speaker
Google munchies strikes back and you'll see what I showed facts.
Wrestling Show Memories
00:03:31
Speaker
In the time since we last recorded, Garrett has a new podcast.
00:03:36
Speaker
It's true, it's true. It actually is going to be dropping the first episodes this coming, fuck, I guess I'm assuming we're releasing this, we're recording this on Friday the fifth. So this should be, the new podcast should be out Tuesday. There's gonna be four episodes dropping on day one and it's gonna be biweekly. We already have 10 in the can. Funny guess, we're talking to folks about erotic thrillers. The Erotic Thriller Club, join the club.
00:04:06
Speaker
Not not a podcast for sad boys. You want sad boys. You're on the right podcast. You want titillated boys. You know where to find it now. At wrestling shows. Oh, no. I will go to a show together. Yeah, you did me and Professor Tom, me, Chris and Professor Tom. We were like the holy the holy and mittens. Of course, we were we're the holy
00:04:34
Speaker
I don't know. Um, we used to go to so many shows going back to the ring of honor, like the, you know, the, the bullet club ring of honor days. And I think it was like a year since the three of us all went to a show together. I think it was since the Jacob that, uh, I think boy, I think there was a dynamite in there. So, but that was still April. It was early April. Okay. But it's been, it's, it's, it's probably the longest we've gone without the three of us all going to a wrestling show together.
Niche Audience Humor
00:05:03
Speaker
And it was good. It was very good. But the most important part of the evening is that I took a train out to Long Island. Fax and Tom picked me up in just a deeply sketchy part of town. Yep. We drove to- You were crying. I was crying a little bit. A part of town MJF's never been to. Never been, never seen it. No. It's just not for him.
00:05:32
Speaker
And, uh, we drove to a German restaurant, but before we went into that German restaurant, we did something the facts and I have been waiting to do for a very, very long time. We cracked open some new energies. Oh, I thought you were going to tell him about when we tried docking because I was going to say, I don't think our wives listen to this podcast, but you know, it'd be a weird way for them to find out about that. No, my wife definitely doesn't. That's why. Um,
00:06:02
Speaker
That's why these secrets are safe. But yeah, we had the woo. This podcast just as well be shouting in the woods. My wife's never going to hear it.
00:06:13
Speaker
She's actually more likely to be in the woods near it than she has to.
Beastman's Break from Wrestling
00:06:18
Speaker
Well, and not for nothing to like, you know, I live in the same house as my wife, so she can just overhear things. But me saying, hey, I'm going to record with Chris and Garrett is the most guaranteed for her to put on headphones and be as far away from where I'm speaking as possible. She often says that when she doesn't do that, she just she just hears me yelling character voices very loud.
00:06:44
Speaker
If I were to ever have an affair, I am definitely having a sleepover at one of your houses. Like that's, it's like, I'm going to their house for a sleepover tonight. They live in New Jersey and New York respectively. Yeah. There'll be no follow up questions because your wife really doesn't want to know.
00:07:04
Speaker
And she knows that the man, the person that the affair is with is a beast man. And that's why he's taking time away from wrestling right now is we're going to the woods. We're spending a little time together, explore each other's bodies. To be fair at this point, I think he's taking some time away from taking some time away from wrestling, but we're two levels removed from him being in the ring again, but it'll just make his return that much more triumphant. I thought that that was just a setup that he was going to be the devil.
00:07:34
Speaker
which would have worked. But see, here's the thing. It's been so long since we've recorded. We skipped talking about Beast Man's honeymoon at Sandals and Jamaica. Oh my God. And he knew that we were going to look at it. So he's stepping away so that he never had to. It did look fun. It did look fun. In a great time.
00:07:56
Speaker
This has got to be an interesting listening experience because I feel like sometimes we come on and do the pod. It's like, oh, like I haven't talked to you since the last episode, but like I feel we haven't recorded it in a month and we've been talking just constantly. So the audience is we don't even know what the audience knows at this point.
00:08:21
Speaker
It's confusing. If you, if, if you're unaware, you can go on beast man's Instagram and see number one, that he has gone on a honeymoon to Sandals and Jamaica, but also the beast man came back from his honeymoon and said, he's taken some time away from wrestling.
Ric Flair's WooCoin
00:08:36
Speaker
You know, he's got a focus on being married and you know, the rest of his life, um, in deepest, darkest West Virginia and.
00:08:45
Speaker
It's honestly something that has hit me hard emotionally because there's just for a bit, there's going to be no new Beastman matches and. Yeah, I'm with you and that sucks, but for me, every time I think about it, I'm made really happy because I realized just more than likely
00:09:08
Speaker
anytime Beastman's not wrestling, like right this very minute, he's probably fucking, right? He probably has a lot of woo energy, maybe some flow max. And he is just absolutely raw dogging his wife. Eating blue chews like Tootsie Rolls.
00:09:25
Speaker
Oh God, Conrad just hooked him up with a membership. Who would have thought when we were at the Malcolm X Community College that when we saw Mike Bennett and Beast Man that Mike Bennett would be the one in the main event of that AEW pay-per-view and not the man we were all cheering for. Husk husk husk. Husk husk husk.
00:09:50
Speaker
Chris, so Professor Tom and Fax pick you up in a sketchy part of Long Island. You're gonna eat some schnitzel or something. What happened after or during? I mean, continue, what's going on? So we pop open Fax's trunk, right? And we tailgate in a parking lot of a German restaurant. Hell yeah. But we tailgate with some woo energy. Now, the first thing we learned, Garrett, is that
00:10:21
Speaker
None of the blue energies that we opened were nearly as brown as some of the pictures that you sent us of yours, which means yours definitely had perhaps too much mushroom or too much other things. Botulism. Yeah, it just it just looked like the normal energy drink gross. Like there's a reason energy drink you don't pour them out. And that's just kind of what they look like. But it didn't look anything like
00:10:48
Speaker
the E. coli that you ingested. The potty water I drank. You don't know how badly that ruined my night when I found out yours wasn't brown? Because mine was not supposed to be brown, guys. Like, listeners, mine was so brown and theirs looked like a drink. Like, this is upsetting.
00:11:17
Speaker
Do I have a case, Chris, against Ric Flair and Wu Energy? Potentially. You took pictures, so you have evidence. Yeah. The question, though, is what your damages are. And I think... It's my spleen! I think you shoot for the moon and get him to pay you in Wu Coin. You say, look, I want 300 Wu Coins, and that's my settlement for this.
Wrestling Nostalgia
00:11:48
Speaker
By the end of WooCoin, that'll be enough to get me one can of WooEnergy. So, OK, were you able to confirm that was a real account? Oh, no, I think it's a real account. I mean, I think it's. It's a verified, it's a checkmark. There's no way Ric Flair can even say the word cryptocurrency.
00:12:10
Speaker
let alone explain what it is. So again, friends, this is a thing Gary sent around to the rest of us. Rick Flair's, on Rick Flair's Twitter account, there was a statement regarding something. Let me just read his statement. Woo! Woo! Woo! It's the nature boy, Rick Flair, and I'm here to tell you about the hottest thing in crypto, WooCoin.
00:12:36
Speaker
These guys are strutting in with liquidity like my legendary charisma. Why? Because the founders put their money where the woo is. But check this out. We're not just talking the talk. We're walking the walk. We've locked down that LP tighter than a sleeper hold for the first 30 days. And if everything's smooth, we will just keep that lock going. In just 24 hours, we hit the big leagues, baby. We're on coin market cap, standing tall and proud. Check it out yourself and you'll see we're not messing around.
00:13:03
Speaker
He wrote all that himself, folks. He typed that out on his phone. Everybody was surprised. It's really a shame that Dusty Rhodes is dead because the response promo that he would cut about after hearing this, you know, American Dream, the people of America, they don't need no WooCoins, baby.
00:13:32
Speaker
They don't need no dollars either. That'd be great. You know what I want to see is I want to see a debate.
00:13:46
Speaker
on the pros and cons of cryptocurrency. And I wanna see, I don't know, like Ric Flair and knobs. I wanna see them have a debate. We can't get dusty. Hogan would be no fun. Let's get knobs in there. Nasty coin, let's do it.
00:14:12
Speaker
What do you have to do for nasty coin?
Review of Woo Energy Drink
00:14:14
Speaker
It is not like a dollar exchange. It is definitely like a good, like a services for. If you delete one picture of Brian knobs his asshole off the internet, you get one nasty coin.
00:14:35
Speaker
It's definitely something Nob started having no earthly idea what cryptocurrency is. He just keeps hearing coin getting added to things. So it's just an elaborate network that says where there are restaurants in the Clearwater, Florida area that have kitchens that are about to throw away food so he can go and find it.
00:15:01
Speaker
listeners chris is in tears right now and he's definitely thinking about knobs his asshole i'm just thinking about him him coming up with a nasty coin to the back back door of a restaurant like a stray cat in a cartoon i got three nasty coins
00:15:25
Speaker
okay mr knobs but the nasty coins they're actually he has physical nasty coins they're just pogs with his asshole on them he jammed up a claw machine at dave and busters and clear water with him trying to trying to get his kid christmas
00:15:48
Speaker
Funny story, my first run with the law was when I was a young man counting or fitting bills into arcade, the things where you put the dollar in and got the quarters out. That's a thing we did. We used the quarters to play games because we were young children. Victimless crime. Yeah, that's why you saw was electricity at that point. Still a crime, I guess.
00:16:18
Speaker
Yeah. But yeah, Woo Energy was just kind of fine. Yeah, honestly, I kind of liked it. We drank, so we each took a round of each of them. We kind of like poured into cups, and then we finished what was left over in each of the cans. We went back for a little bit more. I was wired for the show until I crashed like three hours in.
00:16:42
Speaker
I will say, it was a clean ride for me, Fax. I didn't get home until like one in the morning. Took me until like two or two to 30 to get to sleep. And it wasn't because the show was so exciting. It was because of the woo energy.
AEW Pay-Per-View Review
00:16:55
Speaker
It was because the woo energy had hit my system and the combination of caffeine and mushrooms had given me a clean energy buzz high that just wouldn't go away. Also I sexually harass many people.
00:17:15
Speaker
I was gonna say you went and bent steel with Professor Tom, but no, you helicopter it all the way home on the... Yeah, there was no bending that steel. So speaking of steel, okay, no, we'll get to it partway through here. No, I'm not gonna bury the lead. Guys, you saw it. We don't need to go through that entire show line by line. It's not worth it.
00:17:43
Speaker
I'm gonna cut to the only thing that truly mattered on that show. And I hated that you and I, we didn't get to experience it together. But this is one of those situations where sometimes you miss something that's in a TV broadcast because of the distance from the ring.
00:18:01
Speaker
And I think this is one where maybe you didn't miss it from the distance. We got the debut of Swerve Strickland's Yellow Pants, and that guy's hog is huge. Me and the Canadians talked about it all night. That saved the show. I think, honestly, Keith Lee dropped out
00:18:24
Speaker
He had to fight Dustin, and the only thing he could do was throw on a pair of pants that showed you how big his ding-ding was. And I never thought that the wrestler's penis size mattered to me, but it turns out if they have a giant hog, they're immediately so much cooler. Yeah, I mean, no notes.
00:18:53
Speaker
I agree. Could you see it from your seat? Not really. We didn't particularly notice it. I was hoping you guys would share my enthusiasm on this. And I am looking at two blank faces as I holler about Shane Strickland's wiener. It's amazing. And then he pulled it back out on dynamite.
00:19:20
Speaker
I have a new favorite wrestler until it goes away, until he changes pants. I mean, what if he goes even lighter? Like if he just wears like really thin white pants, where it's like, there's just like to the point that like the Turner executives are giving Tony Khan calls about it. It's like Lululemon material trunks.
00:19:45
Speaker
Well, that's how you make a huge mega heel, right? If you need a new mega heel, cause Swerve's clearly slowly turning face. Like they can't, like he's getting, what do you mean slowly? He tried to break a guy's ankle on the show and we all chanted Swerve sounds, but that's what I'm saying. Like the fans, he's already the most over baby face with the fans. He's still just acting like a heel, but once he starts acting like he does the MJF thing and starts like embracing the baby face,
00:20:11
Speaker
If you want to make a new mega-heel, bring back the right to censor gimmick. Have someone try to censor his giant hog. That will make a huge heal.
00:20:23
Speaker
The censor bar across to like, he's going to be like Elvis. You can only show him from the waist up. Next time he goes on the Ed Sullivan show. Get Wardlow in the Bulbew Cannon button down shirt with the sleeve stored in the black tie. That's definitely his future regardless. Yeah. I mean, that's how you that's how you're going to get him over. I can't even say Stevie Richards. I got to go Bulbew Cannon. That's what we're at with Wardlow right now. Now the Stevie Richards here is clearly Matt Taven. Oh, right. Yeah, for sure.
00:20:55
Speaker
So guys, since you were in the room, I'll be honest from my couch, like it was a pretty I won't say like I had a terrible time watching the show because I was just like, you know, it's been a rough like few weeks and watching a wrestling pay per view is of any kind was was kind of hitting the spot there. But there were moments that I was like, this is
00:21:17
Speaker
This is a dynamite. This isn't hitting like your typical AEW pay-per-view. What was your experience in the room? Like, did it feel that way to you guys in the moment? Yeah, I mean, I think mostly like until the last three matches, like I think once it became clear that they were doing kind of the big three, starting with Edge Christian, then into Mox and Eddie, and then the title match.
00:21:48
Speaker
Once like Edges music hit, it shifted, right? And it felt like a pay-per-view for the last hour and a half. But until that point, yeah, it totally, totally, totally did. Yeah. The undercard felt very undercard-y. And the fact that there was also like, we knew the devil was probably going to be revealed, so we kind of suspected there was going to be some kind of like
00:22:11
Speaker
WWE style nonsense. And I'm glad that it didn't fully influence the end of the match. But then they did the thing with the they didn't announce this battle royal that far in advance. And then they said this battle royal on zero hour was going to be for a title shot at the TNT title. Then they said the shot was going to be basically money, the bank rules anytime. So it was like, unfortunately, once that started, it was kind of like, well, the only guy that can win this is Luchasaurus. So
00:22:41
Speaker
he's the only one that makes sense. And then if he wins it, clearly something's happening tonight. So it did add that little bit of, it was really Mox and Eddie was the one match that was like kind of completely unfiltered, just excitement for, because the other two, you kind of suspected something shitty storyline wise might play out, which again, I think AW needs to do. So I'm curious to see where they go now, but it did feel like,
00:23:09
Speaker
they didn't need to do it twice. Yeah, it felt, and I think particularly with the way they ended the show, in part, so it seemed like MGF needed to lose. So Sakhsadi lost on Long Island, where obviously he has always been a beloved babyface. But to me, the lights out reveal
00:23:39
Speaker
of coal was not great. First, from just an objective perspective, the crowd just went dead silent and then like just walked out.
00:23:52
Speaker
Like, like it was a WWE show in 2015, just like, well, I guess that was the end. I mean, to be fair though, the crowd was legitimately in shock that MJF lost the title and lost it like kinda clean, like pretty clean. Like Adam Cole like was dodging around that like, let's chose the cup, but like that's clean.
MJF vs. Samoa Joe Debate
00:24:12
Speaker
So I think that that's a factor, but I mean, Adam Cole is the logical, like that's kind of where I'm interested to see where it goes. Here's my thing though, facts is that if
00:24:23
Speaker
I think the method they used was wrong because I feel like if we had seen Cole take a chair and hit MJF, I think that would have gotten a reaction. The lights out reveal thing felt like
00:24:42
Speaker
We were supposed to react to the mystery being solved, which was the wrong thing. Cause we'd all guess the mystery fucking two months ago. So the right answer was to put the focus on the betrayal and they didn't focus on the betrayal. They focused on the mystery.
00:24:59
Speaker
Yeah. And it's kind of like weird how they handled it from like the Samoa Joe of it all, too, is that like he kind of won clean, but he kind of didn't. If you have Adam Cole like hit him up with the chair, is it totally not clean? But it kind of like I don't like it when your world title match main event, the winner and new champion ending the longest title reign ever is the seventh most important guy to the angle. Yeah.
00:25:30
Speaker
I'm trying to remember like six. He's more important than Wardlow. He's more important than Wardlow. He's six. No, he's more important than Mike Bennett. Come on. I'm trying. This was we're a little removed from it now. Where did the interference happen that caused? There was none. There was none like he was. The only thing that the only thing that happened was that Cole was like fumbling in his pocket to give MJF the ring. He was slow to do it. He basically he basically prevented MJF from using that that which could have won the match.
00:26:00
Speaker
I agree, I think the reveal, like the mystery being the part of it was, you're right, hugely a disappointment because it's kind of who we thought it probably was. And you drug it out for too many weeks. I have no problem with Joe beating MJF. And I thought that he played it really well. Derek kind of messaged with us some about this. He was a lot angrier about this pay-per-view than I was.
00:26:30
Speaker
I liked Babyface MJF, and I thought you did feel sympathy for him, and I think it is feasible that you would lose to Samoa Joe, especially him. It kinda seemed like MJF was sneaking by on a lot of these wins, and he just couldn't get through this one, and Samoa Joe's a hard guy to beat, so that makes sense. Yeah, I just don't like the fact that, again, this should be like,
00:26:59
Speaker
dreamers from the rafter, Samoa Joe's the new champion. There hasn't been that many AEW world champions, right? And this is the longest reign ever. And literally, it's just later, he leaves the ring and then the real main event happens, which was just this little angle. That's just what drives me a little bit nuts, where it's logic like the angle in order to continue to elevate MJF, you kind
Current Wrestling Landscape Analysis
00:27:26
Speaker
of
00:27:26
Speaker
need him to be in a program that's bigger than the title or something, which I just think is bullshit logic. And then, you know, knowing that Cole being hurt is why it probably delayed. And obviously there's nothing the bookers could do about that. And I'm kind of glad they stuck with the story that made sense rather than forcing a different devil in that would have been stupid like Dolph Ziggler, which I was terrified it was going to be. Now, don't worry, he's going to be a new Japan wrestling diva. Yeah.
00:27:54
Speaker
Awesome. Um, I did, I, I heard a buzzing about that, that I knew Dolph Ziggler something new Japan, but like, I totally lost my train of thought, but whatever. Fuck it. Well, no, I mean, I think your effects that, that the, I mean, the weirdly I was thinking about this fax, I was like, what have, what have other,
00:28:19
Speaker
title switches have we been in the building for and oddly you and I have been in the building for
00:28:26
Speaker
the last two, and I've actually ended up being in the building for the last four AEW titles, which is sort of some dumb luck here. But thinking back at those, right, like MJF and Mox was an epic match where we all kind of knew MJF was winning, but it was still kind of a big deal and there were a lot of people chanting from, that was a real moment. Danielson and Mox,
00:28:52
Speaker
for the title after the stripping of Punk at Grand Slam was again, like that was treated as a very serious thing. That was a very serious wrestling match. And then even Punk against Mox at All Out was, you know, that did have the original devil reveal.
00:29:14
Speaker
Um, but that was a big moment, right? MJF is back after three months was legitimately a big deal in a way that, uh, it was quickly overshadowed by some press conference. Um, but, uh, an advertisement for Mindy's bakery. But the, this really did feel like, again, Joe.
00:29:37
Speaker
And part of it is look, Joe's clearly a transitional champion, right? It really does feel like this is three to five months tops and it's setting up something else, um, which is fine. Sometimes you got to do that, but it really, it really reeks of transition. If you think it's lasting even three months, you've clearly not seen the size of swerve's hog. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:30:02
Speaker
It's kind of like fuck Bianca Belair's ponytail. You can whip people with it and there's no rule.
00:30:18
Speaker
So what we're, like, I mean, we kind of know what the lowlights of the show were, what we're like outside of the edge match, which, I mean, probably, is it even an argument that was the most exciting thing on the show? Yes, yes. Well, the most exciting and interesting thing on the show was Mox against Eddie.
00:30:39
Speaker
Well, I think Mox against Eddie was the most intriguing thing going in. I think that the Edge and Christian, even with all the nonsense stuff, might have been the funnest thing.
00:30:51
Speaker
Yeah, it may have ended up being that shirt. I think that Mox and Eddie. It wasn't their best match together. It was a fine, solid match, but I feel like the story of it, like I feel like if you come back a year from now and just watch the video package of the tournament and then the match, it's going to play a lot better than it did in real time, because like I was thinking about it later. I'm like, man, the match was fine, but it definitely like wasn't a five star classic.
00:31:17
Speaker
And I kept I know I kept talking, especially like they were really working kind of really slowly and stuff like that. And now I'm realizing like, oh, they were playing up the they're at the end of a tournament. They're both really injuries. Yeah. Eddie might have also got an actual concussion. I'm clear. What's going to have been too bad, though, because he's wrestling on collision. So. Oh, yeah, because we never see wrestlers go back to the ring too soon after a concussion. Unheard of. Are you seeing how.
00:31:45
Speaker
David Meltzer did give that match four and three quarters. Oh, I haven't seen the Meltzer ratings. That seems too high to me, but you know, I agree.
00:31:58
Speaker
I mean, I do think all last three matches kind of brought me back to life and I had a very good time. Other than those and Swerve's hog, I did enjoy the Tony Storm match. I don't think it was the best thing she's done, but I did have fun. That man. Yeah. I mean, like Tony Storm's the great character, but just the booking of the women's division continues to be a mess. Like I'm interested, like Deanna Parrazzo is back. She doesn't suppose she's going to be with my Python.
00:32:28
Speaker
She I like her a lot. I think she's she's great. But, you know, obviously Tara Valkyrie didn't give us a lot of confidence. I was hoping we would see what's her name, Sasha Banks. Let's forget what her Mercedes Monet, Mercedes Monet, Mandalorian, whatever. I was really hoping she would show up because she's a fucking good wrestler that even Tony Khan couldn't fuck up the booking for like, you know, because that's
Comparing AEW Events
00:32:58
Speaker
The whole thing with the both women's matches were just uninspiring. They were like, I think that the both champions, both female champions are fine. They're good. I enjoy them on TV, but like the actual matches have just no drama. Yeah, that was a, that was the Julia Hart, Abaddon match was very clearly the, the bathroom break, especially when it was obvious that after that was going to be three
00:33:25
Speaker
30 minute matches, it was like, well, this is your time to get up. It was one of those matches to in the building. It was like, I don't think when that match, like the music hit that any more people than usual got up to go to the bathroom, but it was like five minutes in. I think everyone had done that math on what's left. And then the bathroom lines got super long.
00:33:49
Speaker
Were you guys a little disappointed like I was that the devil wasn't Okada and all the masked men weren't Abaddon's? That would have been pretty great. That was my deep cut hope was that the devil is just Okada and you know, it's one actual Abaddon and then Toruyano is Abaddon and Ishii is Abaddon.
00:34:15
Speaker
And Goto is Abaddon, and Yoshi Hashi is Abaddon. You know what would have been the choice? But they're all Abaddon. You know who could have been a logical devil and was almost certainly in the building? K-Zoe. Sue, right? Her son is like the second most well-known wrestler from Long Island. And like Eastern Long, like real Long Island. Neither MJF nor Trent are from like close to Queens. They're both in real Long Island.
00:34:42
Speaker
But, you know, as soon as Trent started making headway, getting kind of big primetime TV push, along comes MJF.
00:34:52
Speaker
I did like, they turned, they basically turned the pre-show into, um, the, the welcome to Long Island special, like yeah. Statlander against Willow, both from Long Island, the battle Royal with Trent, uh, and the, um, the dark order guys. And then the hook match. It was just pure Long Island goodness. Yeah.
00:35:19
Speaker
They had a really nice shirt that I would have gotten. It was in Mets colors and everything. Islanders colors. I know facts, but it did say that the most magical place in the world is Long Island. And I was like, I'm actually can't wear that. Someone will hit me in Queens. I forgot to buy one. I should have. I'm sure it'll be on the AW shop.com.
00:35:40
Speaker
I do think like in recent memory, this is the worst pay-per-view they've done. You said there's one worst. I think this is one of them three. There's three, I think, that are close to the bottom. It's this. It's Double or Nothing from last year, which you remember was a totally dead show until the four-way title match and the anarchy in the arena. And then there was one in 2020.
00:36:04
Speaker
I think it's all out. That was just a death, it just did not work and very little of it. It was, it was, it was definitely the worst one at that point but I think that one was probably better than.
00:36:17
Speaker
Was that empty? Was that still empty arena? That was still empty arena. See, I almost put those to the side because on one hand, I don't I remember them all being pretty good. So I don't necessarily have to recall on that one. I might have to look it up. But also like I'm never going to watch any of those shows ever again. Like I am just never like maybe as a fascinating thing with like a
00:36:42
Speaker
a child that I'm teaching pro wrestling to one day, I will say this is some highlights of this weird era where people wrestled in giant buildings with no one in them. Stadium stampede though during that time. Yeah, you could show someone that. Yeah. Undertake your AJ, the cinematic match in the graveyard. That was so. I've watched some of those matches, but mainly in the context of like if you're watching like
00:37:09
Speaker
Eddie Kingston, AEW matches. You kind of have to watch at least one or two from the empty arena, but it's stuff like that where you're not. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I'm never going to for whole show. Yeah, that's what I'm saying is I'm not saying I'm never going to watch any of those matches ever. I'm never going to intentionally sit down and be like, I'm going to watch an empty arena pay-per-view. I paid $50 for this once and it's still on my Bleacher Report account. So I'm entitled.
00:37:34
Speaker
I'm trying to remember, so you said one of those that you named had the anarchy in the arena. Would that have been the one where daddy magic was just gushing blood all over the fifth row? Is somebody a different one? No, no, this was last year's Double or Nothing, which was really bad for about two and a half hours. Man, I'd have to look at the card, I guess. The two matches at the top were the Elite,
00:38:01
Speaker
against the BCC and the Anarchy and the Reno, which was a spectacular match, show saver, and the four pillars world title match. Okay, yeah, yeah. But that was also very similar in that it was like basically nothing happened for two, two and a half hours. And then it was like, okay, the ending stretch like literally needs to save the show here. And I, you could argue which of those two did better in that regard, but I think those are the two bottom ones.
00:38:31
Speaker
I really felt, and this is an insult, this really felt like a mid-20 teens WWE pay-per-view to me, where if Vax and I, we went to some of those shows, and did we have a bad time at any of them? No. Could we remember much of what was on those shows? Not really. I was struggling to remember that Tony Storm wrestled Rio, and that was a week ago.
00:38:58
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, the big difference is that Samoa Joe won his match. Right.
New Japan and AEW Dynamics
00:39:03
Speaker
But, yeah, no, I'm with you. I think that, like, I think the difference is, I think that, like, if I had to watch one of those shows or this show again, I'd watch, I think this show again is better, but just the standard for just a show is so stupidly high right now, right? And, yeah.
00:39:24
Speaker
I think even if you look at the matches though that were on Dynamite this week, Takeshita and Darby was awesome and better than most of what we watched on that pay-per-view. I think that even with the AEW pay-per-views, a lot of the time we can maybe forgive a bad story because it's like the match is backing up. And this one, it was just a lot of dull matches.
00:39:51
Speaker
I don't agree with Meltzer that that was like a four and three quarters, you know, I thought Eddie and Mox was fun compared to the rest of the card.
00:40:04
Speaker
It did. You're right. The story does go a long way with that, especially when what you've watched previous. But like, I mean, if you don't have anything like throw Darby Allen in there and like that to catch the match was like I cringed so many times like he he threw that man so high in the air so many times. Well, that's why and Chris can tell you when I think we were what in the
00:40:29
Speaker
was it in the parking lot or maybe we were in the car when you told me or maybe we were in the arena somebody else mentioned that Keith Lee was out. And then I asked, I was like, oh, they're gonna put Swerve against somebody else, right? And I was like, oh yeah, Dustin Rhodes. And I'm just like, I just sunk. I'm like, Swerve is so awesome. We didn't even know about the hog then. It was just like, but he's so great.
00:40:53
Speaker
You've so many people that could just say, oh, you've got 15 minutes on pay-per-view at Swerve Strickland. Have a fucking banger. And then I was even saying of people we knew were in the building because they were in the Battle Royal. Put Dustin in the fucking Battle Royal. Give one of the other guys that was in the battle. Give it to Trent. Trent. They had him have this big match. He's getting a title match now coming up that he got on Dynamite. Have fucking Trent wrestle Swerve. That match would be awesome.
00:41:19
Speaker
Yeah, Prince Nana takes Sue home at the end. It was going to be perfect. No, that would be a great gimmick, by the way, if Trent has a little brother, little half brother, that's Prince Nana's bastard with his mom, who's somehow still fertile.
00:41:39
Speaker
I think the worst thing about that, I mean the hog went a very long way. Like it brought some life into me for the rest of the show, but he should have beat Dustin in three minutes and that should have been a squash. Like he did not need to be competitive.
00:41:57
Speaker
Well, particularly when he does the ankle thing. Cause then when he does the ankle thing, I'm like, Oh, okay, cool. They're not going to have an actual match. Sure. If it's going to pin him in 30 seconds or there's just going to be no match. And I was fine with that. Cause as you guys know, I also like to keep things brisk, especially when you're backloading the card, but then they had a, just, it was a dark match.
00:42:21
Speaker
It was just an AEW dark YouTube match. I'm actually longer than it needed to be. The card and see what the the runtime on that match was. I want to say like 11 minutes. It was too long. I mean, Dustin did kick him in that hog, though. And, you know, that buys you some time because the central nervous systems connected to that thing. I'm also just pulling up the Meltzer ratings overall here.
00:42:53
Speaker
It'd be interesting. It does seem like, you know, maybe we need, maybe we need some of the old wrestlers to come on and rank Swerve's hog in the context of great people have talked a lot about too cold Scorpio. Um, the nature boy, you know, so I'm curious, like what, you know, Andre, of course, sure. But we, I think we need people who've been in a lot of locker rooms to be, to do with that, to do that ranking. If I find out he's stuffing, Oh,
00:43:24
Speaker
You think maybe we can get the blue manion to see if he has any inside knowledge on hogs. I mean, he definitely shared a locker room with Scorpio. Right. He I'm sure he's actually I think he shared a locker with Swerve because he did some MLW shots at a time when Swerve was still an MLW. He definitely shared a locker room at some point with maybe not with Flair. They might have just missed each other.
00:43:51
Speaker
I'm sure he was somewhere at the same time as Flair, but I'm thinking by that point, Flair probably has his own locker room, right? I don't think Flair's changing with the boys. But actually, you know what? It's more like, yeah, he's keeping it out. Yeah, he's sharing. Well, I mean, he's certainly been to enough wrestling conventions. Right. He's eating Rick Flair's penis. Right. Yeah.
00:44:12
Speaker
He's, he's blue meanie has on at least one or two occasions taken a taxi cab in the Carolinas. So he's almost certainly see Ric Flair speed. Oh, fuck. You know, by the way, Meltzer's ratings again, just too high on fucking everything almost. He's innocent. He's in Tony Khan's pocket, man.
00:44:38
Speaker
I think the the eight man to open the main show, I thought that was really fun. And then I thought it was pure death. I thought Miro and El Idolo was garbage. I was actually excited for that, too. I thought like, oh, shit, these two on a pay per view, that could be good time. Well, I wasn't why that needed to go. How long did it go? Does anyone have the time's up? I don't know. Twelve. OK, that should have been six minutes.
00:45:07
Speaker
Yeah, you sure made Mira. I think I was the only one in the building that didn't know that was Andrade's last match. But yeah, especially once once you knew that, like, yeah, make it a squash, make Mira a monster. Even. I just I'm so mad at all these star ratings. Dave's a very giving man. I agree with Edge and Christian. He gave four and three quarters. I'm OK with that.
00:45:37
Speaker
I'd go a little lower, but I'm not angry. Yeah, I think that's a hair high, but I don't think that's like, everything else I think is like an entire star too high, except for that and maybe the eight man. And then he gave Joe an MJF three and a half. That seems like about right, but. Yeah. I actually could have gone a little higher in that. I could have gone just like four even maybe for that, but. Yeah, I might need to rewatch it, because again, being a native Long Islander, I was so deeply in shock and traumatized by the end of that match that,
State of New Japan Pro Wrestling
00:46:06
Speaker
You know, I, I, I don't remember, I don't remember it. All I remembered was the betrayal. MJF is their hero. You have to understand fact Garrett.
00:46:19
Speaker
Oh, I I gathered that from the the show. I had commentary letting me know. Speaking of. Oh, by the way, though, that that video they ran with the Long Island people talking about MJF right before the match was just brilliant. That was every every time they come to Long Island, I think
00:46:43
Speaker
Well, they can't just keep doing Long Island things, and they can't all keep being good. But god damn it, they keep truing me wrong. They did, last time when they did that musical number, that shit was bananas. And then they did this video with the girl talking about having sex with them, and it's just, it's fucking amazing.
00:47:00
Speaker
I don't know who on the staff is writing this. If MJF is producing himself, whoever, like, again, if MJF is part of creative for this, I will reiterate. We do not need to be worried about him going to WWE. We need to be worried about him winning Academy Awards. Chris, did you get to see Iron Claw yet? I have not. I have not seen it yet.
00:47:27
Speaker
And try some point next week or two because it's still in the theaters. So you got time. It's doing well. You know, I did see the Ric Flair impression. I think my Ric Flair impression, which was poor, did defeat the paid actors. Yeah. Oh, for sure. For sure.
00:47:48
Speaker
It has to suck to be that guy. I saw like Rolling Stone or somebody even wrote an entire article like, was this Ric Flair really that bad? And it was yes. Everybody's like, why didn't they just have that guy play him in ring and use actual footage of the man for the promos? Because no one can beat speaking the way he did.
00:48:11
Speaker
Or better yet, get an actual wrestler since every wrestler that's ever lived does a Ric Flair. I mean, think about I know why they don't do it. You don't want controversy, but Jay Lethal in that role. Oh, my God. Jay Lethal would have brought the house down. Yeah. Plus, look, this is this is the world is all about classic characters being reimagined.
00:48:37
Speaker
breaking down boundaries, Jay Lethal is Ric Flair. Just give him a wig, let him go. Put him in a suit. Here's the, here's, he would have been the other option. Just hire real Ric Flair. He's alive. People have done a lot of amazing things with makeup. Just age him down. You did it for the whole first 30 minutes of Indiana Jones.
00:49:01
Speaker
They did it for an entire fucking three hour movie with De Niro, right? And the Irishman. Yeah. Well, they don't want Jimmy Lloyd to get involved in that. Like. Speaking of that, either of you watch June Kasai and in a gauge. I have not yet. Yeah, I have not yet seen that.
00:49:25
Speaker
It was good, like it was the most Nick Gage Nick Gage has looked in a while. I thought he kind of looked back in Nick Gage shape. And I lose track at this point. Is that something I'm going to be able to find on fight or do I got to pay real money for it? Fight. It was the New Year's.
00:49:45
Speaker
No, yeah, it was New Year's Eve because during the match, the crowd counts down to New Year's. And that was super fun. June Kasai isn't saying there's razor boards, there's knife boards. At a certain point, Kasai pulls out a knife and is like cutting Nick Gage's arm like the hitchhiker in a Texas chainsaw massacre.
00:50:10
Speaker
Like it's, I mean, it's a pretty brutal little match. And it was, I think it was, I mean, it was definitely better than Kasai Janela.
00:50:23
Speaker
It honestly exceeded a lot of expectations for it. It kind of seemed like, I don't know how often Nick Gage is gonna do a singles death match like this, but I mean, if he was holding out to do it, like this was a good opponent to save it up for, and he said the reason he can't go to Japan is pussy-ass freedoms as afraid that he'll do something to get in trouble. And he said he's coming over and fighting Kasai again.
00:50:51
Speaker
He said he's going to Japan. We'll see if he gets there. But no, that was the most worthwhile GCW thing in a minute. I didn't watch all of the Nick Gage invitational. I didn't watch any of Circle Six, but God, I saw some reckless clips from that shit. Look up AJ Gray's Instagram and look at the photo from his back after King of the Deathmatch. It's upsetting.
00:51:21
Speaker
All right, Garret, and you're gonna put in some music here while we look this up, right? As podcast journalists, there's no way that we could just have this moment here in which we are, like, literally just look this up. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do,
00:51:53
Speaker
The match that him and Otis Kogar had, I believe it was called a Blunt Force Drama match, and it was so many just hard shots to the head. Blunt Force Drama, by the way, sounds like a straight to Blu-ray movie with Steven Seagal and Tommy Chong.
00:52:19
Speaker
Oh my God, you know what I found out from my wife who watches all of the Housewives shows? You know who produces all that straight to video action shit? The real life turtle from Entourage. What? Like the man who Turtle is based on does all those movies now. Like the guy who was Mark Wahlberg's driver. Now he's the guy who made the last 15 straight to video Bruce Willis movies.
00:52:50
Speaker
because his Mark Wahlberg gifted him stock in a tequila company. He used that. I will say, I gotta admit, I am tempted to find out how to purchase Bucoin just for shits and giggles. You guys have birthdays coming up. Don't go broke, but do what you gotta do.
00:53:27
Speaker
Max is silent. Yeah, again, we're like an hour in and nobody spoiled anything that's happened on Wrestle Kingdom for me yet. Garrett, did you see it? I was away, I basically, I did. I for sure saw the last three matches and pieces of everything before, but for sure the last three.
00:53:51
Speaker
I watched basically the whole show.
00:53:53
Speaker
And was the order that they put on the NJPW site what they did, so the title match was the last match? Was the last, yes. It was. That's the only one I'm kind of curious about which direction they went on that one. So, you know, what's the weather forecast from New Japan? Or actually, I asked Chris this question before we were on the air, and I'll just repeat it here. I could watch the show this weekend while I'm doing stuff for work,
00:54:21
Speaker
Is it something, should I watch it this weekend while I'm doing other stuff? Or should I wait to watch it where I can really pay full attention? Yeah. I watched it while I was working mostly. I would say you can watch it while you're working. Maybe try to pay a little more attention for the three-way and the Okada and Daniel.
00:54:42
Speaker
Agreed, agreed. The main event, I think was like, I mean, I wasn't excited for it, so it's hard to say that it was underwhelming, but it was definitely unremarkable. Like it does, I hadn't seen, I don't know if I just not paid that much attention, but it looks like Nido might be singing for Fozzie on the weekends now. Well, I mean, Fozzie might need a new lead singer soon.
00:55:16
Speaker
I remember hearing that shit when it happened and it just sort of disappeared. I'm pretty sure I remember way back when
00:55:29
Speaker
When what became this started during the pandemic, where it would be the four of us and we were doing co-podcasting between the best there ever was and predetermined, I could have sworn even then we were making jokes about it. About just generally stuff with his wife and a lot of the other stuff. And Jericho just fucking around and stuff like that. I thought this has all been pretty widely known. Specifically Kylie Rae, because we literally talked about it.
00:56:00
Speaker
Yeah. Um, so I, I don't know how it just now came back and like people care more now. Like, I mean, I felt kind of weird about it this whole time to be honest, but it, I mean, it didn't seem like he was going away. So.
00:56:15
Speaker
It's like who is that comedian that started bringing up the Bill Cosby stuff and then it actually. Hannibal Burris. So who's the Hannibal Burris of this one? Because I feel like I didn't hear at all about this. I heard a lot about it back in the day and then nothing and then all of a sudden it's a big story.
00:56:39
Speaker
Genuinely have no fucking idea why like how it resurfaced you would have something with Nick Houseman on Twitter. Yeah
00:56:50
Speaker
just like bringing up old stuff or like, cause did like, yeah, I don't, I don't know. Like someone come forward with something. Cause that's where like, we never knew really any specifics and it seems implied now that there are specifics, even if they're not publicly known that people, someone knows, I don't know.
00:57:15
Speaker
I mean, on the observer, Alvarez referred to him as somebody had referred to him as the Harvey Weinstein of wrestling. Jesus. So when that's the comparison, you know, like people compare other people to Hitler more often than Harvey Weinstein these days. Lord that.
00:57:41
Speaker
Well, either way, Nido versus. That I don't know it. I don't think that matches. Anyone listening is like Garrett's floundering right now. Yeah, it's just I mean, the whole thing that so it's it's I'm making weird analogies about this. I made the analogy about AEW being mid 2010s WWE. This felt a lot like a 15 years ago WrestleMania.
00:58:11
Speaker
in two ways. One, I didn't really care about a lot of it. Like I had a good time watching it, but I didn't really feel emotionally connected to pretty much anything. The other thing is that the most exciting parts are not going to be there a week from now, or at least not on the average tour, right? Like Okada and Danielson was great. Is Danielson going to go on the new beginning tour? Fuck no.
00:58:40
Speaker
Mox Omega, sorry, Mox Osprey Finley was a really good match. But the only one of them who's going to go on the next tour, it's possible Osprey is going to do one last tour, it seems like, it's hard to tell. But two months from now in the New Japan Cup, you know who's going to be there? David Finley, and that's it. And that's kind of the problem with New Japan right now is that they're really heavily dependent on the guys
00:59:05
Speaker
flying in. Even like at Wrestle Kingdom last year, right? Like the two things I was excited for and remember from that show really are Omega coming in against Osprey and FTR on that last one.
00:59:18
Speaker
So that's where they're kind of at right now, where there's just not a lot of juice in the ongoing story. Well, and I get it with AEW and WWE budgets and that they're not in a bidding war against each other, but they're both spending money. Right. So I get that there's a lot of a talent like Western talent that you're not going to have good access to. But how the fuck did they let Takeshita show up here? Right. Like, how is Takeshita not main eventing to wrestle kingdoms already?
Wrestling Streaming Apps
00:59:47
Speaker
That's, I don't get how they miss on some of these Japanese guys. Yeah. And, and why they've decided to sort of slow play. They've got all these new guys. They seem to be kind of excited about, but you know, shooter and Rennerita are in the mid card. You know, one of them is teaming with fucking evil. Um, and you know, the other, I mean, uh, Suji and Yumura are wrestling each other third from the bottom.
01:00:16
Speaker
You know, so it's like none of those guys. Well, you know, why are we pulling the trigger on David Finley when you could have had shooter beat Osprey? It. It's a hard time. Like, I mean, it's somebody who very rarely watches new Japan anymore. Like basically after the guys I liked left, um,
01:00:38
Speaker
There's not a lot that it appears to be on the horizon for me to like have any reason to tune in over the next few months. I mean. Well, and that's why I asked about the main event because like I was aware of what the main event I was aware of this whole card, but I didn't really see any of the build. So is it, is it like.
01:01:01
Speaker
Is Naito still just Naito? Other than the beer? Like he's just underdog, babyface, kind of generic. And like, cause like at least
01:01:14
Speaker
with Evil and Sonata, they're trying new things. Evil was a complete flop. Evil's horrible. Sonata, I'm kinda into it. I kinda like the new Sonata. Don't love him, but like, okay, I can take him as a top guy. But then, so it's like, okay, well, you have a new top guy. The whole problem has been, it's been just Naito and Ibushi who's not showing up anymore.
01:01:38
Speaker
and okada and you had some combination and j white who's not around either and it was just the same combination of those guys every match that mattered and now it's like okay well they've heated up sonata we've got another batch and sonata used to be you know carrying nikto's towel and they couldn't do something more interesting with that it
01:02:02
Speaker
Yeah, I know. It just really was just, and part of it is that Sonata's title reign had kind of petered out in part because his fall title defense was against fucking evil. Um, you know, who's going to be the challenger in the next round again for some God forsaken reason. Um, and so yeah, there's just this kind of sense of, I don't know, they, they can't seem to quite get
01:02:28
Speaker
a new gear and they're not bringing in new guys that feel
01:02:33
Speaker
Interesting enough to follow. And it just feels like such a botch. Cause you'd think that Sonata has so much more upside on the surface, especially in Japan, but actually like the J white title reigns were better and they did the better kids. It was like, Oh, I don't want to see J white as champion, but at least there's a bunch of fresh match-ups up top. Right. Whereas they literally went to the one guy.
01:02:59
Speaker
We never want to see Sonata fight ever again. And we never want to see the main event ever again. It's perplexing. It is. You could have easily been like, I mean, and the whole thing, right? And this is the weird thing, right? Is that Sonata's group in the G1 was all of the young guys, right? Just, it's no, none of the established people. It's all the young dudes. And so.
01:03:28
Speaker
Instead of being like, wow, shooter beat, beat Sonata gets title shot at power struggle. Sonata runs through all of those guys go seven and O in the block, which does nothing for Sonata because they're not signature wins because he's beating all of the young guys who haven't beaten anyone. And it does nothing for the guys who at the chance to fucking beat the champ and set up a big title match.
01:03:57
Speaker
Like all of these potential, you could have had Kia Mia who I like from Noah beat Sonata in that tournament and get the title shot. And that would have been a fucking thing, right? Like he's, you know, Sonata defending new Japan against Noah. That could have been a thing for a month, but no, again, evil, just evil. Like it's insane.
01:04:21
Speaker
facts I will say this this is my first go into the new Japan world app on Apple TV and it was fucking awesome like it's insane to me that they have built such a great app
01:04:38
Speaker
when this is the product they now have to offer me. When it was great, when it was so fucking good for a few years, they really made me work for it. But now they're like, well, we gotta give them a reason to come here. What if we have a really easy interface? And then somehow they've actually created the easiest to use professional wrestling application.
Beastman and New Japan Pro Wrestling Speculation
01:05:00
Speaker
Yeah, but is it easy to do a search and set a filter so you get no David Finley matches? Well, here's the thing. You can skip by match if the show is done. Every show has a drop down chapter for the match. Yeah, you can just hit a next match button.
01:05:19
Speaker
and just skip David Fidley matches or evil matches. Incredible. Incredible. And I mean, my biggest problem with the old Amazon app, because for whatever reason, Amazon was the only thing they even had an app for. It's the reason I have an Amazon Fire.
01:05:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. All of us. But if you remember, they used to do the thing that like if you were just midway through show and like you had to leave and then you came back, it didn't remember where you were. And you had to start at the fucking beginning and manually fast forward with no skipping. It knows. So like I can watch every other video thing that's ever existed. Yes. Even VHS tapes. Remember where you hit stop.
01:06:01
Speaker
The only issue with that is that when you go back to it, it will forget that you have selected English. So it takes me like a minute each time to be like, oh, I have to turn it from Japanese to English. I like some Japanese commentary here and there. It'll be a good way to make it. It's not bad. They brought back Rocky Romero for commentary for Wrestle Kingdom, which was nice. So it was the new guy, Walker, something who just kind of looks like Conrad.
01:06:30
Speaker
little man, Chris Charlton, and Rocky, which was a solid team. It's good, it puts Chris Charlton back in the... I just realized, guys, I just saved New Japan. You know what? After his rest, Beastman, New Japan, makes so much fucking sense. He'd get over, we know they love big, hairy gaijin. You don't get bigger and hairier than the Beastman. Two weeks it is in Bullet Club.
01:07:00
Speaker
Which I'm in new, I'm back on board with Bullet Club OG. If I've got, I've, I've got biker leather beast man as the head of that group. And you know, the tradition is you take out the previous leader, right? So that means he gets rid of David Finley, right? Is he the leader? I'm not even clear. I'll watch house of torture matches if beast man supplants evil.
01:07:28
Speaker
He's just out and the pictures we would get of him eating dessert with a Dick Togo, who loves dessert. If you've ever seen Dick Togo's Instagram, that man loves dessert.
01:07:39
Speaker
And it's just, every night, it's just plates of dessert with Dick Togo and Beastman going around. Actually, you know what? Now that being the elite has ended, that's the vlog we need, is Beastman and Dick Togo in Japan. I got a feeling Dick Togo knows a lot of the one-liners from the Ace Ventura movies. We know Beastman's a big fan. Seems like they'd get into some hijinks.
01:08:01
Speaker
I also think talking with his butt is really keeping me alive for 2024. Bring Mrs. Beastwoman. Bring her along. You can do a little bit of a Real Housewives of Tokyo situation. With her and Okada's wife, you know? Yeah. Here's the other thing. I bet he works way cheaper than Dolph Ziggler and Matt Riddle.
Wrestling Rumors and News
01:08:27
Speaker
Did Riddle show up on it? And I missed that. On New Year's Dash, there was a video from Matt Riddle challenging Tanahashi. So that's going to be a thing. That happens.
01:08:41
Speaker
When, but that's even like, Matt Riddle's a fine wrestler. I'd be more interested, but like why Ta-Nehisi? He's so broken. Like I need people to fight Okada. My reason to watch New Japan is to see Okada matches. And I'm happy to see the same Okada match a couple of times, but against good people. If you can't get me some of the tippy top talent, give me new people for Okada to fight.
01:09:10
Speaker
I will give you 999 yen until I die. I will make a trust that my wife will continue getting it after my death for as however long you can provide me with fresh Okada matchups. Is what are the odds that he ends up here? I think lower now that they put made Ta-Nehisi president, but I get probably still possible.
01:09:39
Speaker
I mean, he has to like that surf in life that that Nakamura is living. Like he has to think like that looks kind of cushy. Also, can you imagine if he could wear Nick Jackson's pants every week? They might have to bring being the elite back. It's not being the elite anymore. It's being Kaz. And it's just it's just Okada in Nick Jackson's pants talking for a minute each week.
01:10:07
Speaker
Guys, guys, we're going full circle here. Everything we talked about with Beastman, new leader of the Bullet Club, it all happens. He and Okada become fantastically good friends. They both come back to join AEW. Now we've got a reverse fish out of water situation with Mrs. Okada, Real Housewives of Tokyo. Now it's in Jacksonville or Tampa or something.
01:10:35
Speaker
Now we're talking about, we're talking reality TV ratings that exceed anything the wrestling show could ever do. They're going over to dinner at Juice and Tony's house.
01:10:48
Speaker
And by Juice and Tony's house, you mean The Denny's by Juice Robinson's house. I would love to see, unfortunately, Okada has almost assuredly been to a Denny's already, given the circles that wrestlers roll in. But I would love to see Okada's first time at a Denny's.
01:11:10
Speaker
I want to see Okada's first time at Hulk Hogan's restaurant and his first time meeting Brian knobs. I don't know. We you have Beastman and Joey Janela take Okada to Hogan's restaurant, but don't tell him it's Hogan's restaurant. But go on a night. You know, Hogan's there. Just see what happens. The translator is just like he says the asshole goes so deep.
01:11:41
Speaker
Well, I know facts you gotta head out here quick but um, tell you what brother you're talking about famous hogs
01:11:49
Speaker
The before we do need to mention while we've been away, we've been watching some FMW. And honestly, I think one of the best matches I've seen since we stopped recording for about a month was that women's barbed wire match. That's one of the best barbed wire match exploding barbed wire matches I've ever seen. It was incredible.
01:12:16
Speaker
I'm watching way more wrestling now that we're not recording on the regular. Is that weird? Well, again, it's how we're dealing with our feelings. Listeners, we're dealing with our feelings by watching 90s Japanese death matches. And it works. It is. It kind of is giving us life again, just like a lot cheaper than therapy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's on YouTube. Sure. Therapy is on YouTube as well. Search it.
01:12:48
Speaker
Also, we should mention that while, again, none of us regularly watch World Wrestling Entertainment, apparently The Rock is back. Yeah, I saw that. And he implied that maybe he would wrestle Roman Reigns. CM Punk's not getting that main event slot. Nor is Cody.
01:13:15
Speaker
All of that's hilarious. Wait, how hilarious would that be, though, if they just plug Cody into the Seth Rollins match? It's just totally bump. Punk, I would love that. It won't happen, but I'd love it. See him, punk. You don't get to be in the main event, but we've got a really big wrestler for you to fight. The fans love him. His name's Jizz.
01:13:42
Speaker
But in all reality, I didn't see it, but I don't think The Rock's actually wrestling Roman Reigns. That kind of seems to be what I'm hearing is that that is not an actual plan right now, but The Rock did bring it up. We shall see.
WrestleMania Weekend Plans
01:14:00
Speaker
I think I would stay for Sunday if The Rock was wrestling.
01:14:07
Speaker
Or you know what? If this Harvey Weinstein talk about Jericho is true, obviously Tony Khan is going to get rid of him. And Vinsel definitely has enough pull to sign him to a big WrestleMania match. Oh, that'd be amazing to a punk. No, if Jericho Jericho takes no Jericho versus Rollins, he takes punk spot. Oh, fuck. I mean, WrestleMania weekend is starting to shape up.
01:14:37
Speaker
The Blue Meany announced a bar event. I'm excited for that. We'll be there. We're going to be there, Meany. Don't worry. We'll bring some recording equipment. We'll just have a chat with you. We're going to stop at that nice market in Philly, and we're going to pick up lots of different sized cucumbers, and we're going to use that to facilitate the conversation we want to have on the mic.
01:15:04
Speaker
How many of these could get lost in knobs? Yeah, they announced all the collective stuff, or at least they announced the dates and stuff. Yeah, there was only one collective show, I believe, that was blurred out, that they're keeping as a secret. Let me pick that up right now.
01:15:31
Speaker
I do also like that they did announce the clusterfuck late night after WrestleMania on Saturday, which does sound like an interesting option to be like, yeah, we're just gonna go to WrestleMania, head straight to wherever the fuck GCW is running, watch the clusterfuck, and then pass out and leave the city. Or maybe not even pass out. We just head straight to the train station after the clusterfuck.
01:16:00
Speaker
Yeah, but I think there's two problems. One is, again, I want to leave WrestleMania probably halfway through. So it would be like, do I have to watch more WrestleMania just to get to the cluster fuck? And then you're also so tired. The other thing, too, is by that point, because when you're getting an actual WrestleMania, you've already been up for a few days watching wrestling. So at that point, you really need sleep.
01:16:26
Speaker
So I remember when I was in Dallas last time, there was at least one show we just totally skipped to sleep. I think it was like maybe Black Label Pro or or something like that. There was one show that was like a 2 a.m. Central Time show that we just were like, fuck, I need to sleep.
01:16:46
Speaker
Man, I'm looking at this lineup. That Friday looks like a pretty fun day. Joshi Pro Wrestling at 11, Progress at 3, Spring Break at 7, and then For the Culture at Midnight. It says the location is Penn's Landing Caterers.
01:17:07
Speaker
Is this at is this an American cheeseburger situation? Is this like a I don't think so. I think I think it's a big room on at Penn's Landing, which is like the like a waterfront area. It is. I looked it up. And when I was there for the big gaming convention, they used that space, too. So it's it's in a it's a large of it. It's not a weird place to do this. I'll just put it. OK. Yeah, it's it's a totally the actual catering company, I guess, just owns it.
01:17:36
Speaker
So hopefully they'll have a good taco lady going, but like, it's just when you, when you go there, it's just a totally normal event space. Uh, it looks like Thursday defy blood sport 10, which honestly, the last couple blood sports have all had something pretty worth watching. So I, uh, and then DDT and then JCW at midnight. And then yeah, the Saturday blood sports defy.
01:18:03
Speaker
Defy Wrestling at 11, Bloodsport at four. Oh, okay. I was like, did Josh Barnett jump ship? On the flip side, there is also at the ECW Arena a tribute to the extreme on Friday night, which involves the Dudley boys against Oneida and Question Mark. Shane Douglas against Al Snow in a rematch 25 years later from the worst ever ECW pay-per-view main event.
01:18:33
Speaker
I'll go to that show, I'm into that show, but I want you to blindfold me during the Shane Douglas match, because the next time I see him work, it's gonna be in a Buffalo Wild Wings parking lot. As it should be. Too cold Scorpio against Hooventud Guerreira, Tajiri against Super Crazy, they've got some interesting stuff.
01:18:56
Speaker
I mean, I've not gotten to see Onita alive. And getting to see Onita possibly do a meet and greet with him would be a lot of fun. I think we could just go to the meet and greet potentially. That's an option too. Just a meet and greet some Onita. I don't know that that match will be any good.
Wrestling Nostalgia and Future Events
01:19:17
Speaker
And they probably will not the way they usually do these right for the mania weekends and wrestle con and the collective. Like, even if there's like a specific thing before that show of like a meet and greet for whatever, like they're like a needle just be around all weekend. Right. So like, I'm sure we could just go to wrestle con and probably me don't need.
01:19:36
Speaker
But I want to go to that show just to be totally clear. I do want to go to that show. No, that in this WrestleCon doing their super show this year because that's also at the ECB arena and that's on Thursday night. It's going to be there's going to be a lot of it's going to be an interesting weekend because I think there's going to be a lot of different stuff and none of it is quite probably going to stick out. Plus, I think we've got to go see at least a couple of hardware heater matches if that happens.
01:20:03
Speaker
Yeah, I haven't heard him say anything yet, but I would almost guarantee, and then you have to assume Circle Six is running something there. You have to assume, I don't know if ICW normally does stuff, Mania Weekend. But they're in Jersey, so you would think, right? You would think. No, I'm definitely, the chance to meet Anita has me excited, and also like I never, I always have a good time at spring break. There's always something.
01:20:30
Speaker
that makes that a fun night. And the fact that it's at seven and not midnight is. But that's the trick, right? Is it, do we, do you go watch Oneida or do you go to spring break? Or do you go meet Oneida and then head to spring break? But that might also be the time for the ROH show. Let's see what that is. You know, it's going to be tricky. It's going to be tricky, guys.
01:20:52
Speaker
Yeah. You know what? We'll see. There's time. We're just going to have to watch wrestling. We're just going to have to watch wrestling in an air. Uh, we'll just watch it the whole weekend in the Airbnb, just so we can be together. All right, guys. So good seeing you. And you know what? I think we should probably keep watching some FMW and talk about that next week. We'll talk more about that. Yeah. Absolutely.
01:21:17
Speaker
Alright everybody, thanks for listening at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram, at Gartet, at Jimmy Facts, at Chris Miggs. Check out my new podcast, Erotic Thriller Club, and that is at Erotic Thriller Club on Instagram. Chris, do you want to plug your Counting Crows podcast? I do. If you enjoy the Band Counting Crows, Sullivan Street Podcast, last month we interviewed
01:21:39
Speaker
the band's original basis, Matt Malley, and had a great time. He was delightful and he told us lots of interesting stories and lots of stuff that I have not seen be discussed about the especially the early years of the band. So worth checking out if that's something that sounds exciting for you.
Sign Off and Personal Plugs
01:21:55
Speaker
And I got nothing to plug, but last time I was in Philly, I won a Warhammer kill team tournament. So for the three listeners, including the one in Spain, I know it's you that know what the fuck I'm talking about. It's a thing that happened.
01:22:10
Speaker
God damn, that's exciting. We'll discuss that more next week. Hit our goddamn music.