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Drinking From A Stretch Armstrong
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Chris and Garrett are chatting about a recent HOG show Chris attended, Kenny Omega, AEW, Chuck Taylor, AJ Styles Vs Cody and more!
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Quest for Sponsorships
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined at Pro Wrestling. Hang out, Chris Miggs, Garrett Callender, no Jimmy Fax, even though we're in the same town today. He's here on business, but can't be here with us. But we're gonna talk wrestling. Yeah, unfortunately this podcast is not a business. We are podcast journalists. It's true, but there's not a lot of cash in this for us currently.
00:01:02
Speaker
despite all of our attempts to be sponsored by Prime or Buffalo Wild Wings. The state of West Virginia, the city of Bhutan. Yeah, none of that's come through yet. So officially this podcast, not yet a business, more of an attempted business. And like the journalist thing is really questionable too. We don't have any sources. We have like a couple.
00:01:32
Speaker
I mean a couple yeah but the thing is like yeah like I feel like if we had any inside info onto death matches and shared it that everybody would be like heater told them and we're gonna be a heater in the locker room now oh yeah we can't we definitely can't I mean yeah we we don't scoops or anything
00:01:54
Speaker
If you're tuning in for the first time right now and you're like, they don't got scoops, why am I tuning in?
Inside Jokes and Hardcore Fans
00:02:00
Speaker
Chris, why would someone tune in this late in the game? At this point, I don't know if we're attracting new listeners. I feel like the inside jokes go so fucking deep that I don't even know where somebody could start on this podcast. Yeah, I feel like we're just servicing the hardcore. That's okay. I love our fans and, you know. Just on our knees doing what you love.
00:02:24
Speaker
Yeah, we're giving it. We're giving it to you. We're here. And because we entertain ourselves, and that's really what life is all about, right? It's entertaining ourselves. This is for me. This is for me and my desire to talk into this phallus. I did have that feeling this weekend. I took my daughter to the HOG show in Jamaica, and it was a Cinco de Mayo themed show.
00:02:56
Speaker
I don't know how excited she was to go. She was in a real bad mood. But as a parent, sometimes you get these stretches where you're like, you know, she's going to be in a bad mood wherever we are. So I may as well be in a place where I'm having fun. And so
00:03:17
Speaker
You know, at least one of us is enjoying ourselves. Because it's like, sometimes you get in those moods, the kid gets into a mood and you're like, I could take you to the ice cream factory. And like, it wouldn't matter to you right now, you would still find a way to shit on this. So like,
00:03:34
Speaker
I'm gonna give you the opportunity to like, you can have fun or not, but I'm going to enjoy Psycho Clown, which actually we did agree on, we both enjoyed Psycho Clown.
Wrestling Identities & Events
00:03:49
Speaker
Wait. OK. Yeah. And I forget. So psycho clown isn't the one that broke his ass. He's the one I saw him at GCW a few times. That's Pagano, Pagano, Pagano, Pagano. They do look similar, admittedly. But but one is in like the plastic mask with like a tongue hanging out. Yes. That's psycho clown. Yeah. Yeah. I think I actually saw. I don't remember who I saw him wrestle in L.A. I remember it was fun, though. Maybe people loved him. People were very excited.
00:04:20
Speaker
Yeah, it's like you can be mad at home, or you can come here, and you can watch the skeleton man do a flip. You know, take your pick. Actually, it's Papa's choice, and you're coming with me, so watch the skeleton man do a flip. Your mother's out, and so, yeah, you have to come with me. What venue is this in? Because I was watching the main event before you logged on.
00:04:48
Speaker
It was the, we went to the, it's the Amazura, which is a nightclub. You know, there are definitely other children in there, I do want to be clear, but it was pretty strange to bring my child into a club, what's definitely a club.
00:05:05
Speaker
It's a, it was a five PM on a Sunday show. Um, so there was, it was kind of kid friendly in that regard. It's one of the reasons I'd circled it was like, okay, five PM. Uh, it was a very, we got there a little bit late because, um, one thing I have learned as a parent is, um, sometimes you gotta feed them. And so I took her to McDonald's first so that she would be less ornery. Um, that did work. Um,
00:05:32
Speaker
What was the thing she was mad about before you got there? Existence, I don't know. There was nothing specific. Life is difficult and... In any age. Life is hard at any age. And I think she hadn't eaten as much as she should have that day. Sometimes she gets weird about that. And so you just shove a bunch of chicken nuggets in their mouth and finally they're like, oh, okay.
00:06:02
Speaker
they become human again. Once again, any age that really works. Like you feel a sadness about it later, but the chicken nuggies are like a happy pill for a moment. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, we headed over there, 20 bucks for general admission. And we found like a, the Amazon is like a, it may be hard to see if you're watching,
00:06:30
Speaker
on the uh on triller but the amazura like to the right if you're if you're like looking at at the the hard cam the way the hard cam is set up on to the right there's like a an elevated level which is where they do the meet and greets but there's also just a bunch of like couches and stuff and so i just like stuck her on a couch and was just like you sit here like knees on the cat like you can see she could see over and she could see it
00:06:55
Speaker
I will just sit on the arm of this couch for the next two
Wrestling Venues & Atmosphere
00:06:59
Speaker
hours. And that's how we enjoyed it. Is this a different place than I saw evolve when I was there? Yes, that was La Boom, which is also a club. I don't know why HOG only runs clubs in Queens. I have it playing right now as we talk. And as I'm looking, it looks very similar.
00:07:22
Speaker
to LaBoom, or at least from where I'm sitting, other than a shit ton more scaffolding and it looks like a taller building. It's a much taller, I was gonna say, that's the big difference is that the ceiling in LaBoom is terrifying for dives, whereas Amazura, very tall actually ceiling, it's like, like very tall. Yeah, there's a lot of, there's lighting rigs, like a very impressive lighting rig. It's nice. We also, my daughter and I did Hadon together
00:07:52
Speaker
the HOG announcer who is just exceptionally loud. She was like, why is this man so loud, daddy? And I was like, I do not know. She had earphones on because I knew because I was like, if she hears this announcer at full volume, she will sprint out of here. So she would be more of an MLJ fan than this fellow.
00:08:19
Speaker
Yeah, more casual, yeah, like a laxed, soft-spoken, bring stuff. I like his voice and his t-shirt collection, Daddy. Daddy, do you have that t-shirt? Yes, in fact, Dad has two of them, it's okay. That's in the not-canceled box. But yeah, Emile knows how to take it up.
00:08:48
Speaker
You know, where it's like, he goes from quiet to like, this is a big moment because I'm using like my voice that tells you it's a big moment. Whereas every word that comes out of HOG Announcers Dude's mouth is the same volume and tone
00:09:07
Speaker
Like, he could be announcing that there's a show coming up at La Boom in three weeks and that someone has died and it would be the exact same. He's just, he's not the best. He's Steve Carell yelling an anchorman. Yes. Yeah. So, I mean, looking at the main event, I know this is not what the planned main event was.
00:09:38
Speaker
I remember you bought a ticket originally. I believe you said because of the main event, you're like, well, at least this main event, it will be good. Yeah. Well, the main event, the intended main event was Penta against Ray Phoenix, which was like, Oh, Penta against Ray Phoenix is always good. The two of them together, obviously their brothers, they've had many easy $20 well spent. Yeah. Easy $20. Right. That's a, that's a gimme right there.
00:10:03
Speaker
Even if the rest of the show was dog shit, 20 bucks for that sold. Right before the intermission, which happened like less than an hour into the show. Also, why was there an intermission less than an hour through the show? But Penta comes out and I'm like, this is a very bad sign.
00:10:20
Speaker
Um, cause he's not here, like he's not like Jack to like cut a promo and he spoke, he spoke mostly in Spanish, which was fine. It was Cinco de Mayo. Um, so I picked up as much Spanish as I could. Um, my, my seventh and eighth grade Spanish and my occasional trips to Mexico taught me enough to know, um, he was saying his brother is not here and is not wrestling tonight.
00:10:48
Speaker
You're like, I heard her mono and then saw him motion. No. Yeah. Yeah, this is about Laredo kid and I was like, OK, there we go. I guess we're going to, which was fine. It's fine. Laredo kid in Penta was a perfectly fine main event as you're seeing it right now on the screen.
00:11:15
Speaker
And again, overall, the show was fine. Psycho Clown wrestled Mike Santana, which was very solid. Santana continuing to be... Santana's continuing, I think, to show that he absolutely could main event a TNA pay-per-view. I was going to say, I was getting ready to ask, does he have a future in TNA? And you answered my question there. Yeah, yeah.
00:11:44
Speaker
He is not as good as he thinks he is, but he's better than Tony Khan was giving him by the end. Probably, probably, let's face it, probably because he is not as good as he thinks he is and was telling Tony Khan frequently about how good he thinks he is. And eventually Tony was probably just like, screw you. And so, you know, he's somewhere in the middle. He's better than that than where he was at the end.
00:12:12
Speaker
but he's not, I don't think he's a main eventer on big shows. But again, as an indie mate, as an indie champion worked for me. I, well, so his options are main event, a TNA, or if he thinks he can pass a Samoan, he could have a really great midcard spot over at the other place.
00:12:39
Speaker
I don't know if you've seen Mike Santana's gear. He's really gonna struggle to pass as Samoan. They had Rusev with a Bulgarian flag tattoo being Russian. Fair, fair, fair, fair. They did at one point, he and Psycho Clown grabbed from the crowd after the match
00:13:05
Speaker
like a half Puerto Rican, half Mexican flag to bring the people together on Cinco de Mayo.
00:13:14
Speaker
That's nice, that's a nice moment. So, you said the main event was pretty good, did you know this?
Wrestlers' Careers & Injuries
00:13:24
Speaker
They said on commentary that Laredo Kidd was out for two years with, I believe they said, his intestines exploded in a match against, oh fuck, who's the flippy guy that wrestled every show for the last year and a half?
00:13:44
Speaker
No. Fuck, you had that really awesome one, Vikingo. It sounded like Vikingo probably did a flip, landed on him and blew up his insides. And it said he was in the hospital, like not looking good for nine days. And now he's back with us. So where was Ray Phoenix? So what else on the show? That sounds like that was a fun one. What else you got on the show?
00:14:13
Speaker
I mean, the undercard, there was a Charles Mason against Jay Lyon, but that ended very, very quickly and was mostly an angle. It looked, I couldn't tell if that was intentional or if Mason actually got hurt because the paramedics came out and he was limping in a way that did suggest he was not selling. So hopefully he's okay. We walked into a Casey Navarro against, admittedly,
00:14:43
Speaker
This was the first time I'd ever seen him. Actually, let's see if Cage Match can tell us what this man's name was. He seemed good. Raheem Royal. Raheem Royal. Here's one that I will say bothered me.
00:15:10
Speaker
So women's title match ultra violet against the new sexy star. And what bothered me, the work was fine, but what bothered me, the ref was sideburns ref, you know, the guy who looks like, like just a real stereotype of like, look, it's from, he's from Brooklyn.
00:15:31
Speaker
It's like John Travolta, like the fifth guy from the group in Greece, you know? I love him, yeah. The fifth guy. And Ultraviolet's second was interfering constantly, and it was like, come on, ref. Find a way to turn a blind eye here, or DQ, or at least yell at her. Like, she's just...
00:16:00
Speaker
She's literally just like walking and it's not a no DQ match. No one has said that. Um, just like, it's just like, it's like, come on, this is, this is bad refereeing. Um, and you know, the refereeing is bad, bad when like, I'm an adult male who did not care about this match. And I'm like, come on, ref.
00:16:21
Speaker
Like maybe some of it was demonstrative because there was a child next to me and I was like, oh yeah, yelling at the ref, that's part of wrestling. But I was really just like, what are you doing? What are you doing? You're making this hard for me to explain to my child. Did he ref more than that match? He did.
00:16:44
Speaker
Also, he might've also wrestled, ref the, uh, the HOG title match. No, or maybe the, the Apuestas match, which again, he was just like, it's like, see that's, and actually that that's the example, right? Because the other guy ran in to help Mason. That's a DQ. That's a no contest.
00:17:04
Speaker
Inconsistent. Inconsistent refereeing. Very frustrating. Do you think it was just Anthony? Do you think like he wasn't like it was a real like Dante. I wasn't supposed to be here today. And he has time for this nonsense because he doesn't give a shit. Maybe. Just incompetence. I don't know. Who knows? Potentially. Apparently I also missed again because we got the chicken nuggets. We did miss Daniel Garcia and Isaiah Cassidy.
00:17:33
Speaker
against Aerostar and the guy formerly known as Drago. Well, who's Drago? Does he have a different gimmick now? Like he's in a different mask? Dios del Inframundo.
00:17:49
Speaker
Well, so, okay, so Drago's different. Aerostar's still a spaceship, I presume. And I saw that Black Taurus is on, he was on AEW, not this week, but last. And he's got a new name too. The Beast Mortose. Yeah. Are those guys just leaving? Where were they at? Were they all AAA guys? I know for sure the Black Taurus thing was a AAA issue.
00:18:21
Speaker
I don't know for sure about the other guys. By the way, how old do you think Drago is, if you were guessing? I hope I'm not about to find out that he's really young, but I would guess 43. Oh, you were closer than I thought. Okay, he's 48.
00:18:42
Speaker
I got the, I don't know. There's something about him, even with the mask. He, uh, maybe, maybe he has wisdom in his eyes, but he looks like he's, he looks like he's lived. He has 26 years in the wrestling business. According to K I buy, I buy that. I buy that. And I saw him, he's a guy I saw wrestle live a lot. Like he would be at PWG quite a bit and then Lucha underground. So he was just, I don't know. I feel like in LA he was around often.
00:19:14
Speaker
I will say the show on the whole barely over two hours, but kinda in a good way, kinda like I didn't want this to run long and I didn't want this to be a weird extended scenario.
Wrestling as Comfort & Excitement
00:19:26
Speaker
So a solid thumbs in the middle. I can't tell you that listeners that you should go run out and watch this on Triller TV, but.
00:19:36
Speaker
You could, it wouldn't upset you. You could. Yeah, exactly. It's there. If you put it on, it wouldn't upset you. Um, but I mean, it might be a nice thing if you're, if you're just looking to put some wrestling on and just like slowly drift to sleep, you know, maybe you just watch a little bit of wrestling, but it's okay. If you fall asleep, you don't have to be too worried about it. You know,
00:19:59
Speaker
You gotta get to bed. But you wanna enjoy something, you're not quite there yet. And as much of the wrestling as you take in, you're good. That's part of how the joy of wrestling. Sometimes it's exciting and you gotta focus on it. Other times, you can just let it rock you to sleep. It's just there to comfort you. Wrestling's always there. Something happened over the weekend. You and I watched the same thing, or maybe a day or two ago,
00:20:30
Speaker
and I watched it with Ozzy and I realized I had never shown my son WWE. He's seen AEW, he's seen ICW, he's seen GCW, he's seen at least three big gay brunches in his less than two years of existence. He watched the main event of Backlash in France.
00:20:57
Speaker
And it seemed like he really loved it. And I don't know what to do with that right now. What do you think he liked about it though? Definitely the yelling and clapping from the crowd. So that's the thing. I feel like that, that was what I was expecting actually. And I feel like that's not a WWE thing. That's apparently just a French thing. Like it, maybe he should, maybe you should watch like French soccer with him and that he would just be enthralled by it.
00:21:28
Speaker
He's like, actually, I just, I'd prefer to go to France and his mother would be much happier about that than having to take him to a backlash. No, that match. Yeah. Oh, go ahead. Well, I was just saying, I think there was an, it was an interesting, it was certainly an interesting environment for wrestling. They were thrilled and
00:21:53
Speaker
I mean, WWE had to be very happy about that. Like, I mean, you want a crowd to be that hot. And it was like, I mean, it was almost hot to a fault. I don't want to sound like, uh, uh, AEW putt over here being like, that crowd was too good. Fuck them. Uh, no, they were fucking excited. I don't know what you could have shown them that they wouldn't have been excited about.
00:22:17
Speaker
Right. I really feel like because there was talk leading into this pay-per-view that they had, you know, made the interesting decision like, look, AJ Styles isn't the biggest name at this point, but he's going to give Cody a good match. And so they avoided like going for like the biggest sell and went with what was going to be a really good match and sort of establishing Cody.
00:22:41
Speaker
And in retrospect, very smart because I'm pretty sure they could have run Cody against Jizz and it would have worked. They just would have been chanting. They seemed excited for AJ Styles, but again, they just seemed so excited for everything that it really did kind of like take, like, I don't know. It didn't seem like they wanted one or the other of the two wrestlers to win.
00:23:07
Speaker
It didn't even quite seem like they were exactly excited about wrestling. They were just so excited to be at the wrestling and cheering that, again, a suplex was as good as someone going through a table, basically. Chris, you're not making that up. The crowd would chant, that was awesome.
00:23:28
Speaker
at like an instaguri and I'm not making that up that happened there was an instaguri and the crowd chanted that was awesome they did once again a suplex it was a lot of like very basic things and
00:23:42
Speaker
Do you think that there was some sort of gas leak in the building? It was like, it actually seemed like maybe the Joker and Batman put some sort of laughing gas to where the crowd was distracting and it was to distract from a jewel being stolen next door. Vince is back, he was infiltrating.
00:24:11
Speaker
And he accidentally, he thought he was gonna put gas in, but it was actually laughing gas. He was trying to infiltrate, and it turned out hottest crowd of all time. He was trying to knock him out, but. I knew they needed me. They were like, I mean, when you watch the clips of it, it is pretty incredible. Like that is the grandest entrance Jay Uso's ever gotten. Or Jimmy, is it Jay?
00:24:41
Speaker
Jay, I think it was Jay. Yeah, I mean, he, the crowd is hyped. Like, I mean, it looked like when I clicked on it on Peacock, it said it was like a three hour show, which seems like pretty light for a WWE show. That's nice. Five matches. I actually don't even know what else. I mean, did I see, I thought I saw Kevin Owens giving like Tom Otonga a brain buster from the top robot through some chairs or something.
00:25:09
Speaker
Kevin Owens and Randy Orton wrestled Tama Tonga and Sequoah. And then Tonga Loa was a surprise underneath the ring and the crowd was so excited. Again, like Tonga Loa's had surprise birthday parties where the response was more muted than this crowd was to see him.
00:25:40
Speaker
I mean, none of those guys are ever going to forget that show. But if you if you mute the show and and watch Cody versus AJ. It was a pretty good man. It was fun. It was a good like. Would you say it was a main main event, Matt? Like, yeah. Yeah, right. Like I'm still good. Yeah, I can actually.
00:26:04
Speaker
Again, this sounds so weird and contrary to say, so I do want to sort of recognize this in front of me saying it, but I'll try to defend this. I do think the crowd sort of like the fact they were as hot all the way through without really
00:26:23
Speaker
any peaks and valleys for the things, and I actually sort of, I felt undermined the match a little bit, because it just sort of, it didn't peak, it just sort of like kind of goes and ends. And it was a good match and those guys were great. But it did seem like, I don't know, it wasn't like they were excited for the win or the loss, they were just excited to keep yelling. And I don't know, it did seem like it lost something.
00:26:48
Speaker
in that translation but that's okay the alternative would have been like a quiet crowd or something for that like if that was the alternative this is much better so you know good for them and it's exciting but I don't think it was it was a good match it wasn't the classic the other thing I thought was super fascinating well two things about the crowd well one thing about the crowd and one thing about the commentary uh
00:27:11
Speaker
The crowd sang Cody's song in unison, but like just a half beat off. It was very strange. They couldn't quite get on Melody.
00:27:28
Speaker
I was just shocked. I couldn't tell you like right now, if I had to tell you any of the words besides the chorus of that song and whoa, I don't know if I could do it. They knew every verse they got through all of it. It was, I mean, yeah, maybe it was a half beat late, but they were there. That's true. They even knew the second verse.
00:27:51
Speaker
Cause the second verse, right? It's like, lights go down, ready now. And you call yourself an American. I mean, I don't keep doing them overseas. They're always going to be excited to get them. That's that seems like it's the plan. They've kind of done this. They've decided to do like,
00:28:18
Speaker
Look like these overseas tourism boards are paying them apparently. And they're just like, yeah, we're going to run paper views and they're running one in Scotland again in June. Obviously got Saudi Arabia. That's a thing. The same place in Scotland where like they were in that enormous smaller, smaller. They're running like an arena, but then in August they're running a stadium in like Germany. I think it's stadium.
00:28:49
Speaker
Anyway, they're running Germany, but basically they're just like, if you want to pay us European cities, we will happily bring the b-shows to you. We're here. We're here to do it.
00:29:04
Speaker
I'll be honest, as far as matches that WWE could have shown me, that is one I was actually interested enough in to check out. I mean, I don't know from there because I don't watch the show. I don't know that AJ Styles is not. I mean, I guess it makes sense. He's not as hot. Like, I don't see his name mentioned as much anymore. But as far from a match standpoint, that's what I'm looking for.
00:29:28
Speaker
That's like what's getting me into the door. And to be honest, that's a more exciting main event title bout then swerve versus Christian to me. Yeah. Oh, I mean, I feel like I'm probably. Again, I don't don't, I certainly not watching WWE weekly television. Don't even watch YouTube clips, but like if he's wrestling someone decent, I'm in for a Cody pay-per-view main event. I mean, that sounds good.
00:29:55
Speaker
Good to me. I don't know. I'm in for that works. Like you throw him against like Fen baller or I don't know any guys that I loved that used to be in a different company. Like once we get to like him and Kevin Owens, you know, I'm probably going to keep tuning in to those. But apparently the touring match right now is him against Nakamura, which I'm sure is also like if you're just at a house show and it's like Cody against Nakamura. First of all, if you'd tried to explain to us in twenty seventeen,
00:30:25
Speaker
that Cody versus Shinsuke Nakamura was main eventing WWE house shows. But that was the other thing, that history, right? At the beginning of the match, Michael Cole was like two former Bullet Club leaders battling it out for the WWE world title. And it's just like, wait, what? I can't really say these things now.
00:30:51
Speaker
It's kinda nice. I like the world where all wrestling exists within the same universe. I also, just as far as a thing that happened in that match, I have to mention the funniest thing. Cody does the cartwheel and Stardust hands and it cuts to AJ Styles face and he looks so mad and he just goes, motherfucker.
00:31:19
Speaker
The craziest reaction I've ever seen to a guy doing a cartwheel is to be really mad and say, motherfucker. Well, that's the other thing about AJ. They also mentioned on commentary that AJ's gear was meant to mimic the gear he wore when he beat Dusty Rhodes for the NWA world title when he was in TNA, which again, is not a thing I knew that happened. But again, they're like, hey, I guess it's
00:31:45
Speaker
stuff like that to me, I'm like, Oh, that's a cute little detail. But again, they're, they're mentioning, they didn't say TNA, but they mentioned the NWA world title.
WWE's Production Evolution
00:31:54
Speaker
Like it's such a strange world to be in where you're like, Oh, WWE production and commentary has reached a borderline level of watchability. That is truly stunning after the last decade or so 20 years, maybe even.
00:32:10
Speaker
I think that we were abused long enough that we didn't get a Stockholm Syndrome with it.
00:32:16
Speaker
where we kind of moved on and got away. But you're right, they got, at this point, we say we don't tune in to weekly TV, I don't really keep up with what's happening, but they did get us to check out the main event of a B-paper view. And that's a big step. They are slowly, that's baby steps. They kind of, they have our interest a little bit, enough.
00:32:43
Speaker
Well, again, I, I've said this before, and this is a low bar, but to me, the fact that you can watch like a whole, I didn't watch this whole show, but we watched, you know, like WrestleMania and the fact that it didn't make me nauseous between like the camera cuts and the yelling, I was like, this is actually, I'll watch a lot more WWE if I can just kind of like put it on and not be
00:33:05
Speaker
just like totally thrown by it and just disturbed by the production level. You know, like, um, nice things. They did like a really cool thing. When they introduced the two guys in the main event, they like cut to a camera that it kind of like got more of the darkness of the fans and kind of put the guys in relief and made them kind of look larger than life. And I was like, Oh, that's a cool. It's a cool camera shot that again, they lingered on during for like a solid 30 seconds as each guy was introduced. No.
00:33:35
Speaker
wild camera cuts. They took a second. We breathe. They had a nice shot and they let it hold, which again, incredibly low bar that we're setting here. To your point, we ran away from this. We did not get Stockholm syndrome, but it is nice to like come back and go like, oh, all right, this is wrestling. This is a professional wrestling show that can be put on television. So.
00:33:58
Speaker
I mean, it's to the point now where if they did a paper view, I mean, obviously I went to summer slam when they were here and that's a huge one, but if they, I don't know that I would go to a raw, but if they did a show at Bridgestone, I'd probably pop in to, you know, if they're going to give me a match of this caliber, I'll go check that out. I mean, I still, uh, I depends on the ticket price for sure. I feel like that's the thing right now is that the tickets are hot and again, good for them, but.
00:34:29
Speaker
I'm probably not paying what they're asking, so. You're right, like, because it is gonna be, I mean, I don't know what, what, like, probably a hundred for nosebleeds at a pay-per-view these days, or what? I don't know. I don't know. I think it, again, depends on the demand of the specific show, but yeah, I just don't really have a particular taste to spend a bunch of money on WWE. If someone gave me tickets or something, sure, but.
00:34:55
Speaker
Well, our show, AEW, last week, we're recording on Wednesday, so AEW just happened, but let's talk a little bit about last week, since we did take a week off.
Omega's Health & Future Matches
00:35:07
Speaker
We had the Kenny Omega angle with Okada. Tremendous. And he said something as he was describing his diverticulitis and the surgery that he was going to have to have, and how they were gonna have to fillet his body and spread him apart.
00:35:24
Speaker
And it made me realize, for years, I have been poking fun at Brock Lesnar's sword dick tattoo. That's covering up his scar, isn't it? Oh, probably. Yeah. You can't make fun of that anymore. That guy, he was sick. I mean, he's like, you know, you can now, but like, no, no, but you can, you also can. Because here's the thing. Yeah, you might want to cover your scar. There's a lot of other choices.
00:35:55
Speaker
But look at his physique. If you're going to look like that, no, you kind of want a sword like not many guys can have the sword. Kenny's not getting a sword. He's not. He's frankly, I mean, it's Kenny. He's probably getting Mega Man. I don't know. I'd get a zipper. Hmm.
00:36:14
Speaker
He was just right down. But yeah, as he was saying that, it's like, oh, that's why Brock has the tattoo. Yeah. I don't know. What do we think is going on there? Kenny's, Kenny's gone, right? Like he's, I think he's getting the surgery. It sounds like he's getting the surgery and you know, they will end up, it's going to be a few months. It does seem, look, they, they laid it out there, right? Whenever Kenny's ready.
00:36:41
Speaker
They're going to do Omega Okada five. And here's the thing, Garrett, I don't, I don't have an exact number in mind, but whatever I won't pay for WWE tickets, I will pay for like front row and or like perfect lower level vision for like Omega Okada. I'm in.
00:37:01
Speaker
It's got to happen. We've been watching this for too long. I've got to see the I mean just them just him being in the ring and hearing the coin drop and seeing the two of them face to face in America in an AEW ring. I mean I don't I don't know the last time I got goosebumps watching wrestling but it's just it was one of those moments where they just immediately shot up where it's like this
00:37:26
Speaker
is still awesome. This is still hot. I want this still like this is, that hasn't changed. In fact, this is probably the perfect time. Here's the thing. So while it'd be good if AEW was doing a little bit better, I don't know if they do Omega Okada during, in the next year or so, probably going to get, we can, we can get tickets. I mean, we both spend a few hundred bucks for like the first row, maybe even a little more if it's like right on cameras and then, but like we can get those tickets.
00:37:54
Speaker
Oh, yeah. They're not going to be like seventeen thousand dollars. Like they're going to be gettable. Oh, yeah. Even a worst case scenario, like a thousand dollars. Yeah. Yeah. I like the angle. I like that. I like that they're setting this up. You see, you were watching some of dynamite dynamite tonight. So you're aware that they are going to do an anarchy in the arena match. It's the elite.
00:38:23
Speaker
Bucks, Perry, Kokada, against FTR. And they announced two guys at the end of the show. Do you want to guess them, Garret? Would that be fun here? Yeah. So in one of our group chats, a name was said, is it a debuting group? No.
00:38:46
Speaker
Okay, somebody said potentially like Motor City machine guns or something like a way to debut them. Is it somebody who has a problem with the young bucks? Or has in the past? Yes, to both of them. And there are people who are currently on our television? Yes. Both of these people performed at Dynasty.
00:39:14
Speaker
So it's not Jon Moxley. I didn't figure it would be Moxley, but I thought that could be a fun thing if we somehow just shoehorned Mox into this match to have to fight Okada. I want that. Very much want that. Yes, I'm with you on that one. Wait, do we have, is it Danielson and Osprey? You got one of the two. So it's, Danielson is one of them. And the other one is Eddie Kingston.
00:39:44
Speaker
Okay, all right. It's an uneasy alliance, right? Guys all that like, maybe you've had a hit, certainly Danielson and Eddie have had history in the past. Look, here's my thing, because you said you're like, oh man, because for those who, we haven't talked about this on the show because it's not wrestling related. But Garrett and I are going out to Vegas in a few weeks, the week after Double or Nothing.
00:40:11
Speaker
For dead because we're dumb dumbs. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Here's my thing. But I'd be fair. I'm a bigger I'm a bigger dead head than you. It's true. If we'd been there for the weekend of double or nothing, I feel like I would have had a mode what would have seemed like to me a very hard choice between the third night of the dead and co run that weekend and double or nothing.
00:40:34
Speaker
I'm honestly kind of happy, and there's a certain part of me that's kind of happy I didn't give myself that choice, because it's like, I do feel like Double or Nothing is turning out to be a little bit of a B-show. And here's my biggest problem with the match they announced tonight, not from an overall perspective, but from like going to a show perspective.
Upcoming Wrestling Matches & Anticipation
00:40:54
Speaker
They took eight guys that I am very, very excited to see, love all those guys. I think that match is going to be great. I'm very excited to watch it on a television.
00:41:04
Speaker
Cause anarchy in the arena is a giant brawl. So depending on where your seats are, you could be watching something that's cool or you could see nothing at all and be watching a screen in an arena where you paid money. Um, and again, I get, I mean, it's not like complaining about it in the general sense. It is this thing, but like to me, if that's like the marquee match that I'm going for, that's actually kind of a downside to me. I actually don't like that.
00:41:31
Speaker
I'll pay for it on TV, but I'd rather watch it on TV. The Anarchy and the Arenas have all been very fun on television. And I'm trying to think if I've been in the room for a real one, I don't think I have. No, because they've all been in Vegas. The Anarchy and the Arenas. I thought they did. They not have one at all out when I thought you and Derek saw one. Am I wrong? No. Yeah, that wasn't. Yeah. We've all been in Vegas. Yeah.
00:41:59
Speaker
I've enjoyed them. I've always had fun with them. But you're right. Like part of I love that they keep the music going. Whose music gets to stay on? We don't have that. That's a good question. They don't have wild thing. I hope it's the FTR music. I could listen to that for hours. I'm in for that. Maybe is it is it is it Tarzan boy?
00:42:29
Speaker
It might be. Do we go back to Tarzan Boy for a night? Because it's a good song to listen to for a 20-minute match. Either way, I'm excited for the match. Honestly, if I had the opportunity to be there, I would still
00:42:43
Speaker
I would take it. But that being said, you're right. I think that one will be a little more fun on TV. They've all been just fun as hell. And I mean, you can find a moment that's really worthwhile in all of them. And I mean, just thinking back to like daddy magic, just absolutely gushing blood of walking through the middle of the crowd was such a glorious moment, whichever one that was at.
00:43:10
Speaker
There's a lot good. I'm still excited to watch the show, even though I don't know, does Swerve go on last or do you end with Anarchy in the Arena? That's a good question. Last year they ended with Anarchy in the Arena. I think I think it's a close call because I do feel like Swerve against Christian is not
00:43:39
Speaker
I mean, Spurs went in the match like it's just one of those. He's winning. I don't there's not a lot of drama here.
00:43:47
Speaker
It was kind of like when we saw Omega versus Christian at that, I think it was at all out, right? That was the one that everybody showed up. We weren't super excited for it. It ended up being a good match, but then everything happened after the fact. So who knows, maybe this is a time to bring in more, have some more tricks at the end. But, and I guess we don't really know what else is on the show, right?
00:44:13
Speaker
We know, well, here's the, I think what we do know, I think is again, kind of a little disappointing, right? What we know is Serena Deeb against Tony Storm. Should be good, but I don't think anything blow away. Willow against Mercedes Monet. Again, I think that's going to be good, but I'm not, I don't need to be in the room for that. Osprey against Roddy Strong, which no disrespect to Roddy Strong.
00:44:41
Speaker
a little bit of a waste of an Osprey pay-per-view match. Unless for some reason you think it's important that he holds the international title, you know. That seems like one he could have done on TV. Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be a good match. It'll be awesome. Yeah, but it's not, you know. He's gonna sell the shit out of a backbreaker. He's gonna take one of those backbreakers and it's gonna be like The Rock taking a stone-gold stunner. He's just gonna fly through the air, soar into the third row.
00:45:13
Speaker
Does Edge have a match? They haven't announced that yet. That's probably Malachi Black. Okay, because we're building up damn, getting the one on one. Which, okay. They are doing Edge and Kyle O'Reilly on collision, which should be interesting. Last time, last show, did we kind of talk about how fun this Edge run is? He's going pretty hard in some of these matches. I didn't get to catch him versus Brody tonight. Was it? Went hard again, yeah.
00:45:41
Speaker
Like this is kind of a nuts run for Adam Copeland. Like even, I don't know where it started, but I just think about that match of him versus Pentagon, where it was 95% Pentagon just hitting him with moves. And he won with like a spear and a roll up or something, but just took crazy shit.
00:46:02
Speaker
I don't know like I every time I'm like theoretically excited for his matches and I'm watching them and I'm like this is good but I I don't know it's not like getting me there I don't know I don't know quite know why it's not his fault he's trying I'm not on him um I just kind of he just feels a little maybe at a place for some
00:46:24
Speaker
See, I think that him being out of place is why I initially wasn't excited about him. But these matches and seeing how hard he's going for it really has won me over where I'm like kind of an edge fan now. And I mean, not that I, you know, I don't know. There's just some of the WWE guys where like when I only know them from WWE and that's what I expect for them to see them go hard against a Pentagon or whoever. It's just.
00:46:50
Speaker
I don't know, it's been a good time for me. I like what he's doing in the ring. I'm excited to just keep watching it. Cause it seems like he's just every Wednesday gonna hit me with a banger. Yeah. Cause I was a big edge guy back in the day. Um, a little bit early on, but maybe I haven't told the story on this show. I certainly told the story on the best I ever was at some point, but, um, I got back into wrestling in 2008 during the, uh, the Hollywood writer strike.
00:47:19
Speaker
Um, I had a, oh, what was that TV box at the time? Uh, the, uh, the TiVo. Oh yes. The TiVo. I was living in an apartment that didn't have cable. And so I had a TiVo that was like hooked up to this TV that weird like antenna thing. Um, it sometimes it would just record stuff that it thought I would like.
00:47:50
Speaker
Um, and it recorded an episode of smackdown. And because during this was during the writer's strike, I had nothing else to watch. And I was like, I guess I watched an episode of smackdown and kinda because remember this was smackdown was on free TV. It's weird to remember that like it was on, this was past UPN. It was on like my nine or something. It was called or my whatever my TV.
00:48:12
Speaker
I don't know. And he was the main guy on SmackDown at that point. This was the him with Vicky Guerrero and with the edge heads. And so I was like, he got me back into it because I really enjoyed his stuff. I thought his heel run at the top was really good. He was a great character, great promo, great matches. We did, if you go in the best server was archived, we did a whole episode on
00:48:41
Speaker
one of his matches and sort of Billy about the whole series with the undertaker, which is a super cool. Like on the scale, especially on the scale of like undertaker matches in the 2000s, like these are like 18 stars relative to some of the other dog shit. Before he, before he started wrestling like once a year and people were like, the undertaker is good. And it's like, no, he wrestles once a year and plots out an Epic.
00:49:08
Speaker
with Shawn Michaels. That's not the same as him actually having just a regular good wrestling match. But yes, I've always been a big edge guy. And so I've been excited to see him. It's nice to see him in AEW. But yeah, these matches, every time I'm just like, oh, this is cool. I don't know. But I keep expecting to be more excited. I don't know why.
00:49:31
Speaker
Do you think that they could, I don't know, just the character or do you think there could be an opponent or storyline that like grabs you? Is there somebody you hope to see Edge go against? You know, I do wonder if part of the issue here is that we're doing these like open challenge TNT title matches where I'm like, he's winning. He's winning. So if you, if we started to get to some of the more dream type matches, maybe that would work, right?
00:50:01
Speaker
What if we did edge against Danielson? What if we did edge against Osprey? Hey, maybe we can combine the international and the TNT titles in that process. I think I'd be, I think I'd be into those. Yeah. But again, I don't know if I'd be as into them as like,
00:50:25
Speaker
two of like those guys against each other. He's kind of an odd, like I feel like he's a little bit of an odd style fit. Like he was such a, he's such a good WWE main eventer. Yeah. That it's a little, he's not working straight WWE main event style, right? But he's, there's something that feels it can be a little incongruous feeling at times with his magic, like him against Penta,
00:50:54
Speaker
It wasn't quite a style class, but it also didn't pop in a way that I don't know is a weird. I'm struggling to describe this because I get that I'm like, does it? I don't know. I don't know if this is kind of the same thing, but it's like I feel like his Zack writers wrestling really changed much out of WWE that he's doing on the Indies. It's really just his character and that he's such a shitty heel still doing his WWE stuff on the Indies. And like and like once
00:51:24
Speaker
every like four months, he goes hard and does something like, you know what I mean? Like obviously the match with edge was actually, that was good. Good match. Those guys wrestle each other. We all remember so fondly, the match with him and gauge, right? But that's not every Mac Cardona match. In fact, that's the exception, not the rule. And so, yeah, I think that's part of the, um, yeah, same thing. I enjoy seeing Cardona, but
00:51:51
Speaker
I kept, I kept being excited when Cardona was on shows. And then I'd get to the, you get to the match and you're like, that wasn't that good. And it's like, Oh yeah. He's actually, he's not like a super worker. He's just a great character who occasionally can like turn it up.
00:52:08
Speaker
which I guess he's the GM on GCW now. I did watch, I do have something else I want to talk about with AEW, but I will say this, I watched GCW and yeah, he's, I wanted, I tuned into, I don't remember what the show was or where they were, but it was the Mansur versus Effie in the last Man Standing match.
00:52:32
Speaker
Very bloody from the start. Mancer's really into stabbing guys in the head with a screwdriver right now. They were doing some pretty sick moves. They had the four chairs set up to kind of be a table situation, but without anything spread across them. And there was a move where Mancer was going to, they were kind of teasing a superplex off the top rope to the floor through these chairs.
00:52:59
Speaker
and but then he reversed it and was just gonna throw Effie off the top rope. I think he was just too bloody and slipped so Mansur couldn't get the the toss.
00:53:11
Speaker
to help him go, he just went straight to the floor and flat-backed right onto the ground and his legs hit one of the chair. It looked brutal, but I would have been pissed if I had been in this crowd because the match had a non-finish. Effie could have won, but then he pulled Mancer up. He was almost to the 10 count.
00:53:33
Speaker
pulled Mansur up, beat him up some more, pulled the screwdriver out, stabbed him more, so he's bleeding everywhere, goes to get a can of gas, which if you remember from the, I think there was an I-Quit match a while back, and he poured, Mansur poured gas all over Effie and AliCatch, and the match got stopped. Same thing happened here. Effie poured gas on him, then they both just disappeared out into the back.
00:54:00
Speaker
and we find out later that there's an angle in the back where they set it up to where those two are fighting in the cage of survival. Actually, the weekend will be in Vegas. They're gonna be in Atlantic City, main event in cage of survival in the cage. If there's two gas angles in the last two matches and we get to the third, somebody has to be on fire, right? I was gonna say, are they going to like an inferno match or some kind of fire table
00:54:30
Speaker
Is the cage on fire? I don't know. There has to be fire. You can't skip the two matches have ended because somebody was going to set the other on fire. Somebody has to be set on fire. I'm with you. That sounds very reasonable to me.
00:54:51
Speaker
to be sitting in that room and just the match, just nothing happens and they leave. And then you wait 20 minutes for him to clean all the shit up so they can set up the main event. That's kind of annoying. That's some, that's a finished that I don't appreciate on the endies. And then Dan hasn't won the title and then lost it somehow. Yeah.
00:55:17
Speaker
They gotta end this Blake Christian thing soon. He's in the best of super juniors, though, so he's not gonna be around for a month. Then he has to drop it, right? Like, when's that coming up? Soon. I think it starts this weekend, so he's... So he's got it. There's just no belt for a while. I mean, it's only a few weeks, right? There's only so many GCW shows, so they'll survive.
00:55:44
Speaker
Actually, is that when GCW's in Japan for blood sport? I don't think so. Because I thought that was this summer. It's the summer. That's the thing. It's the summer. It's like in July, I think. Okay. Yeah. Well, back to AEW to talk about the most important thing that happened over the last couple of weeks.
Chuck Taylor's Future in Wrestling
00:56:06
Speaker
And that is the demise of the best friends and the potential end to Chuck Taylor's career.
00:56:14
Speaker
Yeah, apparently whatever injury he was dealing with. And I do wonder if that was, I mean, he's been out for a while and I wonder if he got like cleared enough and he's like, look, I got to do the surgery. Let's, I want to have one match to sort of go out on and do it against Trent. I did like the Trent for the Chuck for the match was wearing the Trenton Dustin shirt.
00:56:40
Speaker
That's one of my favorite shirts they've ever put out. I still have that one in a box somewhere in my garage. No, no explanation for who Dustin is. Nope. With Excalibur calling it, by the way, that's kind of a nice thing, right? Excalibur. Oh wait, what's Excalibur? Wait, was that on Rampage? Yeah, but it was a Rampage post collision. That's kind of a missed opportunity then.
00:57:08
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure Excalibur would have loved to have called those two, because he's called that match before. It was another fun one. We got to see some light tubes break on AEW TV. That's always a treat. But it will bum me out if like, because they've tried to make a point several times of saying, hey, he has to have a surgery and this could legitimately be the end of his career. It's pro wrestling, so I never know. But it makes me feel like it's my fault.
00:57:37
Speaker
A couple weeks ago, I was in a Target. I passed by the action figure. I took a look and I saw Chuck Taylor action figure sitting there. And I just thought back to when I first got back into wrestling, like Daniel Bryan got me back in with WWE, but PWG like got me hard and do it. And my two favorite wrestlers were Candice LeRae and Chuck Taylor. And I said out loud so many times,
00:58:03
Speaker
One day I'd like to live in a world where there's a Chuck Taylor action figure on the shelf. I live in that world. I saw it. I didn't buy it. I don't know. I think the action figures cost more than they did when I was, you know, 10. Yeah. That's upsetting. Like 20 bucks, maybe a little more like 20 to 25 at a target, I think.
00:58:31
Speaker
That's high. That's high for an action figure in my mind. I feel like 20 is fine. Over 20 we're starting to put, and I know obviously, but I do also feel like, yeah, I don't know Garrett. This is, this is Chuck T. This is, this is the role model you want your son to have. You want, you want to hand your son Chuck Taylor and say play with this. He is a gentleman. He's a gentleman from a border in state.
00:59:02
Speaker
Yeah, I fucked up. I don't know why I did. I mean, I don't buy action figures, but if I were to ever buy an action figure, Chuck Taylor is one I should have. Like honestly, I could go buy a Candice LeRae action figure right now too. Probably. Probably. I WWE certainly has made a figure for her. I feel like I never see her when I tune into a pay-per-view. So I don't know what Candice LeRae does over there, but I'll always appreciate the good times we had.
00:59:32
Speaker
Yeah, the only AEW action figures I own, they released a two pack of Cody and Dustin bloody, like to mimic the double or nothing match. And I was like, that's the only one I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get that one. That's the only one I'm gonna get. That's the line I can draw because that's one of the greatest things I've ever seen.
00:59:56
Speaker
I just want those two, I'm good. And I have not purchased an AEW large, some of the little micro brawler things that come with the crate and stuff like that, but I have not purchased like one of the large, like true action figures other than that.
01:00:13
Speaker
I just, I get, I don't know, I think you're kind of the same way I am with certain things. If you start buying something like that, it's going to cause a chain reaction. And like, I end up being a completist where it's like, well, if I have Chuck Taylor, then I'm going to have to have Trent and they're going to have to hold hands somewhere. It's like, well, and then I don't know, then it's going to just be another thing. I'm going to, I don't know.
01:00:35
Speaker
Yeah, but I think that's the thing. I think you can draw a nice border there, which is like if because I can't. Trent's not going to be expensive either. So if you just buy Trenton Chuck and have them hold hands and you're just like, I just want that. I think you can. That doesn't mean you need to go buy every other AW action figure. I don't need a Sammy Guevara and six variants. Right. You don't need a Sammy Guevara at all flat out.
01:01:06
Speaker
It's a collector's item now, who knows where he is. You could kind of do like PWG guys or something, like you could do, I don't know. But even that, again, you could also just do Chuck and Trent holding hands and just be like, I'm good now. Yeah. You didn't even, until you said it, I never even considered that it's an action figure. I could buy open up and hand to my son and be like, this is a man I like. He's little.
01:01:37
Speaker
I have, it's, it's interesting. Um, so I, there's some micro brawlers that Maddie is like played with. And there's also someone gave me at some point, some just like loose late nineties WWF action figures. It's like edge and hardcore Holly or something. Maybe there's one or two others. I'll snow. I think I'll, I think I got an L snow in there somewhere. And, uh,
01:02:03
Speaker
When her and her friends play, they will grab those for some reason. And it just it tickles me every time because I'm not telling them to do it. They're just like, yeah, those are interesting. What are those? I was I was hoping you were going to save this. So I this would have I don't know since we've been doing the podcast or at least since I started the podcast at some point.
01:02:23
Speaker
that one of Leah's friends, her husband, was like, hey, I know you're really into wrestling. Here is a bin of all of my old action figures. And it's like a huge bin of just tons of WCW WWF guys, like anyone you'd want in there. I mean, there's even a cornet with a tennis racket in there somewhere. And he's like, yeah, I,
01:02:47
Speaker
mowed a lot of lawns to buy these and just handed them over to me. And he's got twin, he's got boys now. So I feel like I should give those back. I mean, they're just sitting in my garage. I was hoping that that's just a thing that happens to all wrestling fans at some point, is that a guy you know is like, here is my childhood in a box for you. My wife said to get this out of the house.
01:03:12
Speaker
Yeah, I had a ton of like LJN figures, although they were very well used. And I have a friend of my dad's like is very into like collectibles and stuff like that. And at some point, I just like I just gave this bin to him and he came back with like several hundred dollars. And I think we just basically just split it and was like, OK, fair. Yeah, I never even at the height of wrestling, I just I don't think I was playing with action figures anymore. So I never bought
01:03:42
Speaker
any WCW guys. And also I guess that would have been like, I don't know what junior high that that was going on. See, that's the thing I had the action figures I had were the really like.
01:03:54
Speaker
The LJN ones for when I was like five, six years old. You know, like Jake, the snake with the arm that pulls back and. No, those are the Hasbro's. The ones that are like, I had like a couple of those, but not a lot. The LJNs were the big rubber ones. Oh, okay. Like Hogan, like just in one pose, like you can't really do much. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:04:16
Speaker
Yeah. And they were, those were super fun because they were durable. That was the thing about them relative to like the Hasbro's because that like they weren't hard plastic. So you could, you could not break them. You could chip them and you could ding them up and they look hilarious when they're all beat up like that. But you couldn't, you could not break them. I did, I did though have a couple of action figures that were like these like bendy things. Like you could pull them and at some point I definitely got interested in like poke them with something. And there was like weird powder inside.
01:04:47
Speaker
Wait, is that what Cardona recreates with his action figure company, the Major Bendys? No, the Bendys that he's doing are the smaller Bendys. There were some bigger ones as well. But I think I had some of the smaller Bendys as well. But what he calls big rubber guys are the LJNs. Okay.
01:05:09
Speaker
Now, like, as we talk about old toys and the contents of them, it's like, do you think there was ever a bet that ended with somebody having to drink all of the contents of a Stretch Armstrong? Yes, absolutely. You mix it with vodka, it goes down smooth. Rick Flair's certainly been in a hard place and had to drink a Stretch Armstrong.
01:05:37
Speaker
All right, you got me, buddy. I'll drink that stretch Armstrong as long as I can wash it down with a kamikaze. Just windmilling his dick like drinking out of the blonde man's head. He thought it was a dick Valentine. I have not watched the flare footage that came out, but apparently it's bad.
01:06:01
Speaker
Okay, so I just saw him yelling in a bar. Maybe I'd quit too early. Does he actually? It seemed like Ric Flair was having a Karen moment at a Chili's. I don't know. That's as far as I got. He also apparently admitted during his last match that he had an actual heart attack. No shit. No shit, yeah.
01:06:29
Speaker
We all knew that we're not doctors, but like we have eyes. Like we knew something was fucked up. Yeah. It's like, I couldn't, I wouldn't have diagnosed a specific condition. I knew that a major medical event was occurring. What's happening right there. I think that's lupus. I don't know what's happened. It could be a stroke. It could be a heart attack. It could be just a weird reaction to Cialis. I don't know. But it's bad.
01:06:57
Speaker
It was a cocktail of stretch Armstrong juice and boner pills. My son, my son-in-law had to revive me. Oh, fuck. Do you think, how, how late, how long do you think it was before like Andrade could sleep that night? He's just like, I'm pretty sure he died. I don't know. I think I.
01:07:24
Speaker
I saved him, I was positive he was dying. I'm never gonna forget that. And Charlotte's just like, this just happens. I've revived him several times as a child. And then just went to school. Yeah. Yeah, they have a lot of those defibrillator boxes around the house. You get used to it. You get used to it.
01:07:53
Speaker
They don't have a fire extinguisher but they got at least one of those in every room. Yeah. Who was it that sent me a thing that I saw that Effie asked Nick Gage the secret to something and he's like, oh, well drink a lot of water. I like that hydration is important for the king. It's important.
01:08:21
Speaker
He understands good guidance, you know, how to guide people. I would say I did watch, I feel like we're wrapping up, but I should mention, I did watch the, a little bit of the New Japan shows over the weekend. Mox had his first title defense against Rennerita.
01:08:39
Speaker
It was fine. The story seemed to be that House of Torture wanted to pull their bullshit and they like severely underestimated how savage Mox was. Good storyline. There's at one point where they're just like trying to do stuff on the apron and Rennerita's doing his like cartoon villain thing. And Mox just like picks him up and like, you're anogies him, but like not coming down with him, just like throws him down.
01:09:09
Speaker
and just explodes to Japanese tables. Like it just like, it just explodes on him. And Red Narita is just like, what the fuck? Like he just, uh. It's not used to that. Yeah. Those usually don't break. Yeah. This, this man's insane. How'd it feel going back to New Japan? Like, I mean, have you really not missed a ton of New Japan? It's been, I've, and I've, I've been, I've been checking in. I kind of like do it.
01:09:36
Speaker
in like a couple of different ways. Like I watched some of the, um, the U S show on the access TV show, just cause I don't think they put it up on world yet, but I was like, okay, I want to watch mocks against Naito. Um, I don't know. I definitely felt like, like I woke up on Saturday, Saturday morning was the main show. And I thought to myself, well, I could, I could watch a bunch of the show. And then I was like, I,
01:10:00
Speaker
really just want to watch the mocks match. And so I just skipped right there and was just like, let's, let's go with that. We live in a world where WWE and new Japan are kind of in the same box for you. There's just, there's a guy on each side and you're going to check them out. Yeah. And weirdly Dolph Ziggler is on, not on the side you'd expect. What's he doing? He's the global champ. He wrestled Tanahashi and then
01:10:31
Speaker
I think he wrestled again on Sunday. I have no idea if he won or. Actually like Tana Hashi versus Dolph Ziggler isn't something I don't want to see. Like it seems, I don't know. We, it always felt like Dolph had so much potential to put on like a really, really, really, really good match.
01:10:53
Speaker
Does it seem like he's trying to kick it up a gear now that he's there? Or is he kind of like in Zack Ryder territory where he's just doing the hits? He's trying, but I feel like, again, what I kind of feel like is I don't know what gear he has. Because he wrestled Ishii on the Chicago show, and that was on the Access show a couple weeks ago. And I don't know.
01:11:22
Speaker
It was fine, but I've seen better Ishii match. I don't know, it just didn't do much for me. I mean, is it kind of a place where he would do, I don't even know if he'd do better in TNA, because I feel like they've got some really good workers over there. I mean, he is in TNA as well. Okay. He's also in AAA. He's the mega champion. Here's the sentence. He and Alberto Del Rio,
01:11:52
Speaker
wrestled for that title on the triple mania show, apparently last weekend, which is just weird. Cause that definitely was like a world title match that opened the show for WWE in like 2011. Yeah. The world of every other wrestling promotion. It's so bizarre right now because it is truly like,
01:12:21
Speaker
The top guys are in, for the first time, like really, really in two companies. And everybody else just has the weirdest scraps. Yeah, it's the first time. Yeah, really, again, going back, look, obviously you got 20 years of, you know, WWE being dominant. TNA, like, TNA always really like signed for name, name power and not for
01:12:51
Speaker
for quality a lot of the time, right? So during that entire run, right? Anytime TNA was good, ROH had plenty of guys who were special and interesting. Even if you look at the WWF WCW era, ECW generally had at least a few people who were also like key stars in wrestling. And again, not that there's no one, but it is, yeah, I'm with you.
01:13:21
Speaker
the hodgepodge that these companies are putting together feels really strange right now. Cause like TNA has plenty of people I would not mind watching wrestling, but no one big enough or a matchup interesting enough to get me to spend what they want me to spend. Like it seems like they would, it might even benefit. I mean, did you read that thing with that last pay-per-view they did sold 500 buys?
01:13:52
Speaker
I think that got revised up a little bit, but yeah, it definitely did way worse than the first. Like the first one this year did stunningly well for a TNA pay-per-view. I mean, if a TNA pay-per-view costed 20 bucks, if I have nothing going on on a Saturday night whenever they air that, I'm pretty likely to do that.
01:14:13
Speaker
one to two match ups that make that seem worth it to me, but 50 to 60, whatever 40, I don't know what they charge. Well, he was, it was 40 the last I checked. The one thing I'll say though, is that I don't know, like at 20, am I going to even buy it at 20? I feel like they may just be better off getting the 40 from the people that are going to pay whatever cost. Yeah. Um,
01:14:39
Speaker
But even like new Japan, like when they do the US shows, even if they look interesting, I'm like, I already pay you for world. It's true. I struggle to give them the 20, you know? Yeah. I only gave them the money that one time. And I actually, no, I think I used fight credits when we still had those. And that was to, it was like an Okada match and the Sasha Banks match. And she has a lot of, uh,
01:15:06
Speaker
I don't know, she's got a lot of weight on her shoulders to put on a good match, because this has been a long build to see this woman wrestle. Yes, they're really dragging this out. And I want her to be good. I want her to be good so bad, because she's put on some of the all-time great women's classics of pro wrestling matches, and she's got it in her. Don't fuck it up, please.
01:15:33
Speaker
Sorry, I was looking up DNA. You're right. It is 39 99. And the main event appears that it was moose versus Dolph Ziegler. That's not worth $30. No, I was at the, um, the new Japan show this weekend. Again, if it wasn't 20 bucks on top of, I'd be very excited because it's mocks and shooter, which I think is going to be pretty fun.
01:15:57
Speaker
Um, that's one of those great, like that was felt like a throwaway angle with mocks on that new Japan tour. And that's five years of build now. Of just like continually doing that's actually one of the things I like, you know, when they, when they pull that off, right? Five years of little things of just keeping to get together the fact that those two, that that's a mentor student relationship. And, uh, and they're paying it off with a big main event match.
01:16:24
Speaker
Where is that? What city is that in? Ontario, California. Okay, okay, okay. So, Young Bucks Country. Indeed. Indeed. Jack Perry's on that show too, actually. As I'm scrolling through Fight, I just found out something that I don't know if you knew. Did you know this Bloodsport Japan show we have to pay for? Oh, because it's not technically CCW. It's not. It's just Josh Barnett's Bloodsport.
01:16:56
Speaker
Cause all the other ones have appeared as part of the collective. How much are they asking for? 20 bucks, which maybe. Yeah, I'd consider it very interesting lineup. Mox versus Barnett again. And the last one was really good. So yeah, the guy from American gladiators, like I'm, I don't know. It's going to be pretty weird and interesting.
01:17:20
Speaker
It isn't like Rampage Jackson. Yeah, that might actually be worth 20 bucks, just a little bit of spectacle, little bit of actual good stuff. And the last one was so good, I don't know. Maybe this is the, they're getting that money that it could have gone to TNA. It's Josh Barnett's Bloodsport. I wonder if I'd get my dad into Bloodsport. He likes boxing.
01:17:48
Speaker
I'm sure he likes the Jean-Claude Van Damme movies that the name comes from. For sure. Maybe I had to give this a try. Maybe I'd be like, dad, this is where our interests meet at this point in our lives. It's called Bloodsport. And I think you're going to like it. He's like, listen, son.
01:18:11
Speaker
No, but I'll tell you where we can meet up. Our interests almost meet up here. One of those Paul boys is fighting Mike Tyson. We are 100% watching that. Yes, that's definitely that's the thing that's going to happen. That's going to happen. That's 100. That's. Yes, in very deeply in for that. Is that July or is that next month? July on Netflix. I only have to pay for that, though.
01:18:39
Speaker
See, I'm about to cancel my Netflix. I'm just, I don't know. You don't want them. They're paying for WWE. You don't want to, you don't want to pay for that. Oh, that's true. Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't know. I use it for old Seinfeld's. All right, everybody. I think we're about wrapped up on this. Is there anything else that you can think of?
01:19:07
Speaker
Uh, no, no, I think we got it. I think we got it all out, Garrett. I think we like took what was in us for wrestling and we've splayed it out on the table. And, uh, it's here, it's been here for our listeners as we're always, we're here for you when it's convenient for us. Um, so it's like not every week, but as, as often as we feel okay doing this for you.
01:19:34
Speaker
You know, sometimes life happens. Yeah. Other times we got nothing going on and we're here. We've watched some wrestling and, uh, we talked about drinking a stretch Armstrong. So I feel good about the content we provided this week.
01:19:52
Speaker
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