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The Best There Ever Was: All In 2024
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Chris and Fax break down All In 2024.
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Introduction and London Wrestling Scene
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey folks, welcome to Pretty German, a pro wrestling hangout. it's You got facts. I'm here with Chris. Things are getting crazy. all All out, London, UK, wrestling. Woo. It's going to be hard to edit. You're blowing. Wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on.
00:00:59
Speaker
And can play this song whenever I want. Yeah.
00:01:10
Speaker
You're so loud, Max. Yeah, Garrett's not that loud. I don't know how to do the enthusiasm of Garrett at at the volume of Garrett. I can only do it at my volume. Yeah, you've got to sort of go like a ah because there's a little bit Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Predetermined to Pro Wrestling Hangout. Chris Miggs, Jimmy Fax, no Garrett calendar. The boys are back in town. The boys are back. I think that's the intro. we we this is where The episode's recording now. We're in. That's the intro. You just did it, Chris. We're not doing it again.
00:01:48
Speaker
Uh, yes, it's facts. I'm listed in our recording device as Garrett, which is weird. I see my own voice bar, but it says that I'm Garrett. So I think I'm going to have some weird dreams tonight.
Emotional Ties and Banter
00:02:05
Speaker
Probably. I also, it really is like, as I'm just like, just looking at just you and and no Garrett, I kind of want to do like the best there ever was intro and talk about how this is a podcast. We talk about wrestling.
00:02:16
Speaker
and the emotional connection that keeps us coming back, you know, and doing that stuff. Should I try to do one of our old podcast? Like, as you know, I used to write those like as well I was in high school writing an essay. Yeah. And then I and then I would read from a sheet, and you know, like except. So let me try to do we're talking about we're talking about we got two big two big beefy topics, right? We although actually I do need to address that. Well, I'm sorry. You and Garrett both whiffed with heater last week.
00:02:45
Speaker
He brought up what pro wrestler would would you like to make a steak and neither one of you brought up the fucking Beef King. That seems like an oversight. i am I agree it's an oversight. I am deeply ashamed. the only I have two excuses. One is that we were recording kind of late. And two, I'm pretty sure that Beetlejuice soda was poison.
00:03:08
Speaker
I don't I don't think we should anyone should legally be drinking that I ah was sad I could not be in Nashville and you know ah so I didn't I didn't join the episode because it would be weird for just me to be brought in via remote while the three of you are in a room but I am kind of glad I dodged the bullet on the Beetlejuice soda and I just hope Garrett doesn't acquire more when we're all in Chicago together in a couple of weeks I don't think either of us have any interest in spending money on experiencing that again.
Brian Danielson's Legacy
00:03:41
Speaker
Even like to make you guys experience like would be funny, but even at whatever it was like $9 or $8 for the case, it just, it's not worth it. It's, I wonder that would be crazy if they're like, this is the worst product placement that this like creators of the Beetlejuice 2 box office.
00:03:59
Speaker
Like, Deadpool 3, number one for the 15th week in a row, even though Beetlejuice just opened because of the Fanta. The word about the Fanta got out and no one wants to see the movie anymore. Yeah, if if any member of my family suggests that we purchase it anywhere before it's like streaming somewhere, I'm going to go, no. No, we've already spent money on the soda. Yeah. We just got to watch this thing.
00:04:26
Speaker
Um, all right. So we but we do, we do have a couple of big topics. We've got, uh, do you want to do a cold open? I feel like my cold open. So, so I feel like your cold open has to be about, uh, how Brian Danielson is the greatest of all time. Yeah. Okay. So, so let me set, let me set glory pride.
00:04:47
Speaker
Um, excellence. These are the things that Brian Daniel represents. Brian Danielson, sorry. It was Daniel Bryan when we were doing the original show. As like JR said too. Admittedly, JR called him Daniel Bryan. On the air.
00:05:03
Speaker
We live in an age of gods where epic, what was once breaking down the five-star barrier is a multiple times a week event on free television. However, there is one man who still stands as a giant amongst these titans of industry within wrestling, and that is the American dragon, Brian Danielson.
00:05:31
Speaker
He found possibly one of his greatest foils, even in the twilight of his career in Swerve Strickland. A man hugely on the rise, a man celebrated for his in-ring work, for his mic work, for his physique in more ways than one. Garrett knows what I'm talking about. His manager's ability to dance and bring a crowd to its feet.
00:05:58
Speaker
truly a mega setting for what could be his greatest match.
AEW's Future and European Tour Speculation
00:06:05
Speaker
But as it turns out, it would instead just be another chapter in the book of the man that we're talking about today, the American dragon, Ryan Danielson. I think it's beautiful facts. I feel like we could like, you know, for for those who listeners, a few of you who may not Recall facts and I used to have a ah podcast together. It's called the best server was, and it was basically like one match per episode. I feel like we could go an hour.
00:06:31
Speaker
about that match, like it was so good. Yeah, but ah yeah, we go a little wider. So I think we should talk more broadly about all in. We should probably talk a little bit about all out coming up. We should probably talk about all in Dallas, 2025, all in London, 2026. Chris, we have stadium shows scheduled for two years from now. That's the world we're living in in AEW right now. And then, of course, the G1 Climax, which we haven't talked about.
00:06:57
Speaker
So here's, here's my thing in this. I think I want to tie Danielson to that conversation about like AW stadium shows. Cause yeah, watch the show live yesterday. I was not able to. Yeah. You watched it. We were a little bit behind, but I liked the show most of the way through. I was enjoying myself. I was having a good time watching. There were a lot of fun surprises, but it felt like it it hadn't like hit another level. And I do think there's this question of like, what is an AEW stadium show? Like what is its unique style, right? In the way that WrestleMania is this WrestleMania type thing. The Tokyo Dome is the Tokyo Dome and is its own kind of weird thing.
00:07:38
Speaker
And what ended up happening, right? but The thing that climax the night and actually sort of made this a memorable show, I think. Because I think it was trending towards being, oh, I had a good time watching that. Yeah, just another AEW pay-per-view.
00:07:51
Speaker
But what ended up trending that upwards is that Brian Danielson has wrestled a WrestleMania main event, and he was like, okay, I know how to wrestle a WrestleMania main event in a stadium, and I'm gonna do it my way without Vince McMahon yelling at me. And like, that's- That we know of, that we know of. That we know of, we're aware of. But like, that's what that was, right? I mean, like Danielson just like milking these moments and like finding these different things.
00:08:21
Speaker
screaming, like have you seen, there's a video that someone shot over like his daughter's shoulder of the moment where Swerve is kicking him, and Danielson is screaming at his daughter, I love you, just like looking her direct in the eyes. Covered in blood. Covered in blood. yeah And then he just turns and slaps Swerve so fucking hard. like I'm scream i'm like screaming on my couch, it's so good. yeah um I'm like trying rapidly to explain to like my daughter why this is impressive and she's just sort of like, I don't know, dad's very focused. But no, like, Danielson was like, again, Swerve was amazing. Take nothing away from him. Danielson.
00:09:05
Speaker
fucking like Right. This is clearly all about Daniel. So I mean, the thing is, it's it's just too long, right? So it's a four hour main show. There was a two hour pre-show. Now, I didn't watch live. I didn't. I only I very liberally fast forward to the pre-show.
00:09:21
Speaker
um Did you see this the the return, though, at least there were a hater, right, Jamie? Yes. Yes. That was the one thing I was thinking. You've got to see that in the pre-show. Everything else was just a pretty. Yeah, I watched. um I watched like the matches, you know, but I kind of had them on the background while I was doing other things. And then like I just after the last match, I just kept it on because you said there was going to be something which I thought was going to be like Shano Mack or something crazy. But Jamie was a nice friend.
00:09:47
Speaker
And I was thinking of her. I was yeah excited. Yeah. Well, it was a good segment. Like Saraya two is kind of a great deal on that. But I do want to get to like there is this I think you're totally right that um if you take away that match, because I think I know that's a big. if Right. Like except for taking away the most memorable thing of the show. Right. It was all about Daniel Daniel Bryan or Bryan Danielson. Sorry.
00:10:09
Speaker
um It does have like last year's show with had a very WrestleMania one vibe where it was just we're doing the show. It's just so incredible that it's even happening and that it's as it's as immediately as big as it is. And like we're going to put on a good card, but it's more about just getting a bunch of guys out there and we're not necessarily building the biggest possible matches. Right. Right. And then this year was exciting.
00:10:36
Speaker
Yeah, and then this one, therefore, is kind of then like WrestleMania 2. And I think it had a lot of that sheer DNA. Like they tried to make it a bigger thing. They tried to make this the biggest show of all time in some ways, but not in others. They tried to get absolutely everybody and their father on the show. Right. And we'll talk about the gauntlet. I think that was really good.
00:10:57
Speaker
You know, and then they got a lot of people on, but then they had all these like 10 man tag matches on the pre-show yeah with no coherency of like, why are these people on this team? And those people are on that team. And it had just a lot of like, like WrestleMania two was very meh. A lot of the card, quite frankly.
00:11:14
Speaker
yeah And then so that all we can hope is with Dallas next year, is that rest the WrestleMania three, right? Which WrestleMania three was obviously the one that's cemented, right? WrestleMania as as the granddaddy of them all or, well, I guess that was a star key, but you know what I mean. I feel like you're talking me into considering going as long as it's not like the same weekend as Oasis in London.
00:11:33
Speaker
That would be quite a kick, kick to the pants. Well, the the date is already out there, right? Isn't it like it's August 24th or something like that? No, that's just for 2024. I think they're going to announce the date as we speak. I think they're announcing the dates tomorrow. Oh, I thought they had already announced the date. OK, well, so it's um it's in August. We know that. And apparently we know that going back, which is also kind of weird, right? that they Like all in isn't always going to be.
00:12:00
Speaker
In London. In London. But two years from now it will. But two years from now it will be again. Yeah. And so that's kind of weird. And it also makes me wonder. Do you think they can't because of Oasis? That would be. Whoops. Too many. Too many Wembley Stadiums. Well, but you'd think they could just shift it like a week, right? No, I doubt it's not. Because it's already not like Labor Day. So, and that doesn't mean anything in London anyway. Right. I actually liked, I think, I think doing Forbidden Door there is cool. Because I think that's going to be great. That makes a lot of sense.
00:12:29
Speaker
Space for like they love New Japan there. Well, I kind of wonder because the crowd was amazing, right? So that's the other thing I was great It was a big crowd and it was a loud guy like especially during the main event like again Those people many of those people had been sitting in those seats for at least six hours and they were ready o loud to go they were super loud and they were just great and um I do wonder. Danielson played the crowd. that's That's what I mean, like. But they were also great all night. Right. It was like they were they were exceptional. Yeah. a He he hyped them from the final the second the final countdown hits. They went to another level. But like they were really great all night. And it does make me wonder with the kind of struggles with ticket sales and interest in the U.S., why aren't they just doing a full European tour? Like the question.
00:13:17
Speaker
Because if you're selling out 10 to 15,000 seed arenas for every collision, and every dynamite for like a month, and just you know hit up Germany, hit up you know every major country, Spain, France, so on and so forth, there's no way that the cost exceeds the extra hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in revenue they're getting plus it just makes for a much better televised product right having a big loud rabid fan base there i mean it'd be interesting to see because i do think there's again there's still excitement they did pretty well in Cardiff right took them a while to sell those tickets but they did eventually yeah i i mean they've got and part of it's they've got a lot of guys where like it's easier to get osprey there
00:14:07
Speaker
You kind of focus on like some of those guys for a little bit. and well And just think about how many huge like cities there are in Europe, right? If you just do one show per country, do it in the biggest city there. They've never had an AWW show, right? Cardiff is technically, I guess, but like the UK has gotten a show before and Cardiff is not as big as like, you know, Berlin.
00:14:32
Speaker
sure Right. i thought ah Exactly. So I think that would be that would be interesting and just kind of be a because I do also wonder ticket sales that if they do, you know, a WrestleMania in London. ah Are people less excited about all in 2026 if they maybe have a WrestleMania to look forward to? I do think that is one of the question marks for them is that WWE is running a lot in Europe right now. Um, they keep getting paid to come. So I guess they're like, they're like, you want to play us to come to France and Germany and Scotland? Sure. We'll do it. And and that's why I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't, that Tony con can't figure a way to make this profitable. Yeah. But I do. On the other hand, I think like if you run Berlin and Berlin got to go to a w WWE stadium show recently,
00:15:26
Speaker
are they definitely gonna sell out for AW? I don't know. Well, I don't think it needs to be a stadium, right? I think you can downgrade. Oh no, but even for like an arena. A basketball arena, yeah. Even for a basketball arena, are they gonna sell 15,000 tickets when everyone just got to see Walter, like kick the crap out of Randy Orton, like in a stadium? I don't know. Again, I don't have an answer to that. One thing I will say though,
00:15:53
Speaker
The crowd was great. I do think, and the WrestleMania two vibe is interesting. Cause I think you're right. And part of the issue that WrestleMania two faced as well is that there's some good feuds. There's some good angles building into WrestleMania two. I think for the most part, some of the matches, I actually thought the build this year was better than last year, but the build to the show was really, really good on the whole.
00:16:17
Speaker
I think the problem was, they again, the greenness to the whole idea, I don't think they paid off some of these angles in the way they were kind of meant to. Because you know wrestling is at its best when it's kind of like bookends, right? the The ends of things and the beginnings of things. That's why, honestly, most big w WWE fans, their favorite night of the year isn't either night of WrestleMania. It's not the Royal Rumble. It's the Raw after WrestleMania.
00:16:46
Speaker
Right. Right. And because WrestleMania is great, if it's great, and then you get the the bookend. And this didn't feel like the beginning or the end of anything. Right. this I of felt raw after many in a lot of ways with all the comebacks and surprises and people popping out of nowhere. And you're like, oh, shit, Jamie Haters here. I'm excited for the matches she's going to have in the future, but not so tonight because she's not.
00:17:08
Speaker
um Yeah. Well, and it felt like the beginnings in that there was a lot of title changes, right? Like a certain amount to the point that like we're the third match in or the third title swap in. And I'm like, are we just going to have a clean sweep here? Is this like a reboot? Are we doing crisis of the Infinite Earths? AEW edition here. And it kind of almost what Jack Perry retained. Right. The Bucks retained. No, the Bucks lost.
00:17:35
Speaker
Wait, to and see, that that match, I was i was disappointed by it. I totally, my brain just... And now I'm blanking on who did with it. No, no, the Bucks did retain. You're right. You're right. The Bucks did retain. Let me look through the show here. So here's, I'll just give the the rundown. So Trio's tag title was a title swap. Storm where I am a title swap. Hook Jericho title swap. Tag title, yes. So that was a routine. Casino Gauntlet, will we'll come back to that. Not a title match.
00:18:05
Speaker
Oz versus MJF title change. Okay. Mercedes and, and, uh, the DMD, not a title change. Darby Perry, not a title change. And then of course, Brian swear of time change. Yeah. Heavy on the title changes, heavy on the title changes. And of course there's too many titles. There are. Um, but no, I think, but even more so, right? Like the, like Mariah May, Tony storm well-built.
00:18:31
Speaker
sort of was violent enough, sort of what like it was kind of halfway there. I thought i I liked it. I liked it a lot, but like it definitely did feel like
Wrestling's Storytelling and AEW Critique
00:18:44
Speaker
I get that they can't have a match before this because this has been building for so long and there were such a big turn, but it does. It it just definitely left me of that. This was like a solid B plus. And I think the rematch will be really, really good.
00:19:00
Speaker
Right. Well, and again, I think part of the issue is that that's a, I think that if you do that rematch in or an arena, right? It's not going to be swallowed by the bigness of it. I think like right the the the tactile violence of it is going to probably work better in a tighter, closer environment. Um, I think that's going to work the same. I actually felt the same way, similarly about like Osprey and MJF, where I think It's weird, because I think m one of MGF's best qualities was that he was willing to like sort of not work the work rate style. And then as champion, especially as he went babyface, he showed, Hey, actually I can do this. I can do some of the work ratey stuff. Had some fun matches. I felt that match, given like how hard they leaned in on that match, building to it was kind of to work ratey. Again, it was good. It wasn't not going to like right shit on it or anything. I'm not Jim Cornette. Um, but like.
00:20:01
Speaker
There was, I don't know, like not for most of the way, it didn't feel like there was the palpable hatred that the build was suggesting. They kind of went out and had a really cool match that had a lot of fun stuff. And I liked the finish. I thought, ah again, I thought a lot of it worked, but, right you know, but again, I think part of it came from being like, okay, it's Osprey in a stadium. So it's got to be sort of this big Osprey type thing.
00:20:26
Speaker
Whereas I think, again, to come back to Danielson where he was like, no, no, no, like slow, quiet, let these moments, let the crowd and kind of do the work. It didn't feel like MJF and Osprey let the crowd do the work the same way that Daniel. And I, you also think, so interestingly, like to talk about both of those matches, I actually think, and I, we'll talk about, I still have a problem that the TBS title is apparently the number one women's title. Cause it went out and it went on.
00:20:53
Speaker
later again, but I actually think that helped Storm and Mariah because again, the the bigness of the whole thing is it was the first really big match. So I was actually really amped watching it because it was the first match that I'm like, Oh, yeah, this is a real trios match was a good match. But it wasn't like, I really need to see this story finish, right? I didn't care about that story that much. No, it was for the latter match, which they And then I think by the time he got into the late the latter half of the show and you get to MJF and Osprey, the other thing too, and this is something that WrestleMania has done even in more recent times too much than I've run with, is there was too much London, too much UK. They're just jamming every possible reference and wrestler, all the comebacks for people from there. You had Nigel, who I loved him coming out. I thought that was terrific.
00:21:40
Speaker
But then you have Osprey and it's like, oh, it's another match with someone fighting for like the honor of Britain. Right. And it's just like to me, it's just like this. Is isn it more about the title? Like I just kind of care. I care about this match more because of these guys than because of the title or the fact that it's in London. Right. Even though I love the MJF coming out as Apollo Creed, you know, like just that was a weird one to explain to like ah to Maddie who was sitting there watching me. I'm like,
00:22:10
Speaker
She's like, MJF likes America? I'm like, yeah. She's like, but he changed the title. Why is Osprey on the different belts? Like, well, he wants to represent everyone. And she's like, okay. Sure. Yeah. And speaking of Britain, by the way, my boy Kip made the show. It was the pre-show, but my boy Kip wrestled in Wembley stadium in front of, you know, however many thousands of people. Yeah. 50,000. If you count who was there by the end,
00:22:39
Speaker
ah Probably less than that for when he went out but yeah well also by the way so another thing just about the pre-show because I don't have a lot of notes about that but like Again, this is a show in front of tens of thousands of people. It's the biggest show of the year by basically any measure and then they had all these just multi-man matches on the pre-show that just jamming people together the point that Did you notice that Brian Cage and Sammy Guevara wore matching tights and were on different teams? And Sammy Guevara is like a permanent member of his team. Yet he wore tights that match the Swolverine. It wasn't great. ah like nobody like I get Tony Khan is a lot going on, but nobody is like running a quick check on that.
00:23:27
Speaker
Well, there's a few things, actually another thing that I was thinking about watching the show is that like, look, I love AEW, I love a lot of the ideas. Sometimes they like the same idea and they'll use it a bunch in a row. For example, this is like the third giant ladder match on AEW paper views this year. So that one was a little bit better. There's pretty much one a show at this point. Right. Almost. But more so, the finish of the Tony Storm Mariah May match is Toni Storm, baby face, looks at a weapon, decides not to use it because she decides, even though she's angry, she's not gonna use it, gets kicked, finished. They've used that finish five times in the last three months. I think this one's a little different, to be fair, because I think in this storyline, it wasn't that she's not gonna use the weapon. I think it was very specifically, she's not gonna use the weapon against Mariah, because Mariah's her dear baby. Yes.
00:24:24
Speaker
but if If we hadn't seen Kyle Fletcher do the exact same thing two weeks ago against him, it just, it feels like they keep going to that. Well, in a way that like his, his cheap and again, well, Osprey right Osprey at MJF where he, he's obviously, they paid that one. Tiger driver doing it this time.
00:24:44
Speaker
um Although not the finish, right? No,
Wrestling Highlights and Critiques
00:24:47
Speaker
it wasn't finished. Yeah. Oh, that was the finish. OK. Yeah, I actually really that was actually one detail I really liked is that not only did was that the finish, but it took Bryce a few seconds to come in and then MJF laid there like they really put that move over. I have that he took the bullet shot like MJF if he's going to go if he's going to put someone over, he puts them over. Yeah. Oh, there was a little screwiness in that too.
00:25:09
Speaker
but A little bit, again, then with the a little bit of an out with Garcia, presumably, I guess we're getting MJF Daniel Garcia at all. I i mean, I think it also sets up a third one, right? Because now both the first two, neither one was what I would call entirely clean. um And hopefully the third one, they can wait a little while and and hopefully it's it's a little even higher up the card. You know, like a world title match very easily.
00:25:33
Speaker
Um, you know, yeah, that's what I feel. I figured they're going to kind of come back to you, right? They've gone one, one, and now you're like, okay, the third we can do at some point. Wait. So I do just one more thing on the pre-show. I just remember the one thing. So, so listeners, if you did not watch the zero hour, the pre-show, the matches, they're just the usual fun, like 10 man, multi-man. If you, if you like those, you'll like them, right? Yeah. Nothing special. Nothing you need to see. Nothing that will ever be addressed on any storyline in AEW television.
00:26:02
Speaker
Um, that again, the last segment is Sariah. Jamie Heater comes out. That's a really good segment. I think Sariah does a really, I actually thought Sariah was the MVP of that segment. Thal. I think she's just a terrific job healing it up in love. Sariah's mom do though. Just jumping in into the last second to be like, I'm getting my face on fucking TV. Yeah. Although she didn't slap her mom the way that Mariah slapped her mom, which was, she saved that. She was yelling. yeah Yeah. Um, but then the other thing you got to see is Brie Bella, Brie Danielson.
00:26:33
Speaker
is interviewed by Renee Paquette and they show that. Maybe that was on Dynamite and I fast forwarded through it. I don't think it was. I i i thought it was, it is just terrific. Not for building for the match, but because I think this was really two women that genuinely are friends talking about their husbands and the choices that they make in life.
00:26:55
Speaker
And you can tell Breeze, she's just like, she's basically telling fans, hey guys, it won't be so bad when Brian's not around. You won't miss him. There's so many other wrestlers he's mentored and stuff like that. And she's just trying to sound like like her comments, even though it's being broadcast on YouTube to potentially, you know, the entire world.
00:27:11
Speaker
It's for an audience of one, Brian himself, right? Where she's just like, Brian, you can quit. You can be satisfied. You've had a complete career. You've done all these things. It's just terrific. And you kind of just see Rene kind of just nodding along. I get it, sister. I get it. Meanwhile, meanwhile, Mox is watching Danielson make his daughter cry for his art and Mox is like furiously taking notes.
00:27:38
Speaker
Well, so he's actually what he's not even taking his never pad. He's just scribbling things on a wall. I've been seeing since Mox has been off TV for like six or seven or eight weeks or something like that. People now are saying, oh, he's going to go to WWE. That's what no way. So what happened, people inside Scoop, you're here here for some picture. He saw the new con versus Godzilla movie. And he was like, how do I get in on that?
00:28:00
Speaker
So he's he's actually dipping himself in radioactive fluids to try to turn into a hundred foot tall version of himself so he can fight Kong and Godzilla two summers from now. I believe it. I believe yeah that's all in London 2026. Do you think though, here's here's my thought. I think given that he hasn't been around,
00:28:25
Speaker
And the whole BCC celebrates with Danielson in the end, including and his pocket in the BCC, like, cause I don't know. Wasn't in the BCC. They win the titles. He's still not. And then he comes out to celebrate, which is like, and if the Lucha, which seems like a death knell that like anyone that was working, the Lucha brothers weren't gone. Like they're gone. So gone. Right. Like Pac doesn't join the BCC so back door at Lee. Right. If they're coming back, if there's any chance they're coming back.
00:28:51
Speaker
Right. But like noticeably absent there, right? Is, is mocks and like, right's and you know, Renee's there, you know, Renee's there is maybe the last Danielson match. Is it him and mocks one more time? Just fucking punting each other in the face for their own entertainment.
00:29:10
Speaker
Yeah, well, I feel like, so on one hand, I started writing that I didn't love that this was for Danielson's career because, well, in kayfabe, like he won a tournament to get the title shot. He didn't need to offer up anything.
00:29:25
Speaker
like It's his title shot and you and he's already said he he's going to be retiring from from every, but I feel like it does make sense because Brian is a crazy person and that's why we love him. And therefore as that both real life and kayfabe character, it kind of fits. So I assume.
00:29:44
Speaker
We go the Sean Michaels route here, right? Of just the, or the Ric Flair, right? anyway Of the next match I lose is my last match and every match from now on is. ah And of course he'll probably wrestle like, you know, Daniel Garcia on a collision and you know, why don't not will I think they basically kind of said like.
00:30:03
Speaker
he's again with the way his neck is like the matches they gotta be real choosy about how much he wrestles yeah so I don't know if he's just wrestling on a collision I think he's wrestling I guess he's wrestling Christian at all out that's my guess but um the well yeah I mean I guess um and then I guess he's wrestling Darby, you know, the guy that lost to Jungle Boy for the secondary title ah is who's challenging for in flushing at the next second biggest show by its attendance of the year. I kind of want to see that match. I'm pretty I want to see that match. But like, like this is the whole reason why you don't book Darby in the TNT title match, right? Or just put him against Jungle Boy and just a grud match that isn't for the like, it's just weird. He's in this title match for a lower level title and loses clean. Like it's it's.
00:30:52
Speaker
It's a bullshit match, right? Like it's a it's a it's a car wreck match. Right. But like nobody came out to help Jungle Boy. Jungle Boy in the terms of that match completely cleanly defeated Darby Allen.
00:31:05
Speaker
Yeah. Who is now the number one contender, except maybe Christian gets it. And why not just make that? Like, why? did I love the gauntlet. But why is it? Oh, he'll get a match whenever because Tony Khan can't decide if it's going to be in Chicago or not. Maybe they don't know if Brian can go in Chicago, depending on how the match. Maybe that's part of the conversation. Yeah, it is weird that there's a pay per view literally three weeks later.
00:31:30
Speaker
And that's not the title two weeks later. And there's no title. Like it's they don't just say this is for that title shot. Yeah. I mean, I guess you could be trying to say, like, look, I don't want to like give away. Like, like you you could say maybe I'm giving away the finish if I. But not with Christian, right? Like Christian, as if anything, Christian to me would signal Swerve winning.
00:31:54
Speaker
Right. Also, by the way, again, that finish with Luchasaurus coming out and and doing the thing on his behalf. Again. Again, which again, what they did for the TNT title thing at World's End, they ran that angle already, basically. They've they run that angle a few times.
00:32:13
Speaker
i I was mad twice because like, Luchasaurus kind of put his hands up at the end of the trio's match and like, what do I have learned? I was like, what does that mean? And then he comes out and is announced as Luchasaurus in the gauntlet. And I'm like, wait, that was it? Like that's, like they've been doing the million dollar man virtual thing for like two years or whatever. And that's it. It's just him waving his hands. And then he's literally back an hour later just in this match. And then, and then of course they do the double swerve thing.
00:32:44
Speaker
where he joins back, which is like, just don't tease it until you're ready to do it at this point. People will like is at this point when it actually does happen, which can't be that far away at this point, although fucking can't. No, we we would have said that about a Virgil, you know, like two years into probably. Although actually, that's one of those things of like a little kid mind, like it probably I wouldn't shock me if someone was like, actually, Luchasaurus has been with Christian longer than Virgil is the so like in my mind, Virgil is with a million dollar man for like 25 years before the term.
00:33:19
Speaker
ah But I'm trying to think, I think it's like three and a half, right? It's like late 87 DBA CD views and it's, it's with Virgil. It was the blow off, right? Right. And I think the turn is wrestle is WrestleMania. Yeah. Right. WrestleMania of seven, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we'll, we'll see, but I do think that, um,
00:33:40
Speaker
So it could be quite that long, but it's a while. When they do the little teases of like the little shitty things like that's fine. Right. That's million dollar man in Virgil. Like that. That's what makes it. But now. It's just going to feel like bullshit when they like literally like either. I um i don't know if I'm not going to care. We're just going to go on a bit. OK. And then Luchasaurus is going to swerve us again that he's going to sort of. It's Yeah.
00:34:07
Speaker
um What do we, by the way, think about. So here's the question. So all in Dallas, twenty twenty five announced booked all in Wimbly, London, twenty twenty six happening. Right. Do you think I had this thought near the end of the show, you and I, Garrett, Derek, many, many other friends of the show, we're all going to be in Chicago for all out.
00:34:33
Speaker
I'm wondering, is All Out 2024 in two weeks the last All Out? right Because if you're doing a big stadium show that's your biggest show of the year, All Out has become not only not your biggest show of the year, but arguably one of the smallest pay-per-views of the year. Yeah, but next year, it's July. The show is July, which means you have six weeks to build to All Out. But also, why have two back-to-back pay-per-views with such similar titles and branding? All In is the one with the actual history, although I guess All Out was the first ever ADW No, double or nothing was. yeah Yeah. So like why, what is all out? Right? Like already AEW always, what are any of these things? right But now that we do have an established, this is definitely the biggest one. Obviously you have the identity of forbidden door.
00:35:18
Speaker
It's not only does All Out not have an identity. like Again, I think there'll be a there could still be an annual Chicago pay-per-view, and there certainly could even be an ah a Labor Day adjacent you know annual Chicago show. i just i do I do think this might be the last one that goes by All Out by name, if not by Indeed.
00:35:40
Speaker
Do you think, cause I, the one question I have, you said, I thought you were pointing to this. So we know where all in three is. We know we're all in four is. Yeah. Where do you think all in five is? Um, well, I, I, I mean, it's possible to guess, right? Cause I like, I'm really curious of like, how are ticket sales going to go? Yeah. In all in Texas. Like.
00:36:05
Speaker
Because presumably tickets on sale are probably not that far away, right? They're going to sell tickets as far out as they can. So let's say ticket sales start before the end of the year, which yeah which I would probably say it's going to be somewhere near the end of the year is when you could buy a ticket. Maybe you're. early How many tickets move right away and then how many move after that? And then obviously the later part is depends on how hot the product is. Right now, the product is not super hot from a tickets and viewership standpoint.
00:36:34
Speaker
I wonder if the next one could be like at a Buffalo Wild Wings in West Virginia or giant stadium in New York. Like it could be anywhere in between. I was gonna say like, what is their equivalent of like Trump Plaza? Well, but their equivalent Trump Plaza is clearly Daley's place. Daley's place. Yeah. Cause my pitch, my pitch would be city field, but that's really, I mean, that's for me. I'd like to see, I'd like to see all in its city field.
00:37:03
Speaker
um I think the other obvious one would be to do one in Chicago, right? To be like, yeah, let's fucking do Wrigley or something and just kind of go in on that. So from a business perspective, what I think they should do is,
00:37:18
Speaker
I would leave outside of the Dallas thing. I would leave all in actually as a global show. Do it in in outside of the United States and or outside of North America or outside of US and Canada because I think it would be really cool in Mexico City. Do it outside of there. Do it in Europe for a few years and then do another show.
00:37:38
Speaker
in the U.S. because the hottest if you look at like there are these peaks and valleys with casual fans. Right. And you can't just deny that w WWE exists. People that watch wrestling all watch w WWE growing up. We've been trained by that. So as a result, the wrestling calendar, still someone needs to follow that, that people interest starts spiking again in January with the Royal Rumble and then kind of just builds like stays high to WrestleMania. So what here's my pitch would be do one in like early February in Jacksonville or in Florida, where people would love to travel to Florida in February, right? Do it like and MLK- Any month, if any month, I would love to travel to Florida in February.
00:38:22
Speaker
Right. Well, MLK weekends, January. What's the weekend we have often? There's a three day weekend. President's Day weekend. President's Day weekend. It's my wedding anniversary. ah um Yeah. Do President's Day weekend? What a lovely way to spend your wedding anniversary. I mean, Jacksonville, Florida. My wife loves, we've been to Jackson. My wife, my wife has seen a live dynamite in Daly's place. That's how much she loves me.
00:38:45
Speaker
um During COVID, where we had to be five seats apart and wearing masks. She's legitimately a saint. Yeah, there wasn't a lot else going on in the world. It's very boring. But anyway. Our wives did go with us to a GCW show in Atlantic City. So yeah, they were definitely bored. Yeah. Very bored for a couple of years. They were very drunk and they were gossiping, remember, with Effie.
00:39:10
Speaker
Yes, they were having fun talking to him. Yes. um But anyway, like, so that would be my pitch is build another brand, do it in that time because I think that that's where if you like, you know, just having good wrestling isn't enough. It's enough for me. It's enough for you. It's clearly not enough for America at large to draw big ratings.
00:39:31
Speaker
So I think that that's how you do it. Do a show in America in the southern part of America where it's very warm during these winter months where everybody just basically can't wait for,
Casual Fan Engagement and Naito's Status
00:39:44
Speaker
you know, at that point. Cody versus Roman again or whatever it's going to be the rock or whatever it's going to be, right? It's just that's the one time of year every casual wrestling fan. I know that's the time of year that they actually watch.
00:40:00
Speaker
Yeah. And so and think there are doing the Australia show in February of 2025. So I think that does point to your idea, which is that, yeah, like February is an interesting time to do a big thing.
00:40:13
Speaker
um so Yeah, it's it's also the sports dead zone. Right. Like um the NFL has ended. The Super Bowls happened. March Madness is a month away. Baseball's two months away. Like it is known that basically the Super Bowl is usually right around Groundhog Day. um And it's a little later basically.
00:40:34
Speaker
So it's so like a week later. Yeah, but you you basically have about a six, seven week period between the Super Bowl and and the beginning of March Madness. So there's just nothing significant going on in sports other than like mid regular season NBA and a show. And even they I feel like never have good match ups this month. It's like they know because very like NBA great Christmas match ups. You know, NHL has good divisional stuff down the stretch.
00:41:03
Speaker
Neither one has a hot February. No, they're they're like, you got nothing else. You're going to watch this random Red Hawks versus Anaheim game. Because that's all that's on TV. It's Red Hawks versus Anaheim. Right. The ducks, the mighty ducks of Anaheim.
00:41:20
Speaker
We're the Red Hawks. Oh, the Red Wings, sorry. The Red Wings. Or the Black Hawks. Or the Black Hawks, either. I thought you were just making it up. You're like, I don't know. They're playing Hock-a-Ball. I don't know. The Red Hawks. The Red Hawks somewhere. Yeah, they're playing Anaheim, watching the gigs. It's whatever. All right. I messed up, Chris. We got to start over. Wait. Hold it. Oh. Oh.
00:41:51
Speaker
and
00:41:54
Speaker
It does get you pumped up midway through it. I do love it. Listeners, now you know that Garrett has the power to play that at any point during an episode and he doesn't. He keeps it from you. So I need you to vote facts as primary hosts of the podcast moving forward. Yeah, we got to give you that was actually one of my favorite things when we did the best ever was that Kent gave me a soundboard. He wouldn't put too much on it. That is true.
00:42:18
Speaker
But I did have a soundboard to hit a couple things. I could hit i can ring a bell. Well, that was the best of both worlds because we got buttons and we didn't have to edit. So i need we need to somehow make it so that I still get the buttons. But Garrett will edit the episodes. This is what we need to do. And I'll get you some buttons. You help me because you'll be vice primary co-host and I will make sure. And then if anything befalls me, you're primary. But but neither one of us will do editing. No, we'll be like a real president and vice president, Joe.
00:42:48
Speaker
We don't do the the dirty work, right? We just kind of make the decisions at the top. And Garrett's the Secretary of State. Yeah, yeah exactly. ah He's our Condi. um So let's let's just kind of buzz through a couple. So I think Trio's tag match, just solid car wreck match.
00:43:08
Speaker
I think there's, again, good match. It's the same match you've seen. It's very entertaining, great way to open a show. I don't have any particular things to say about it. I will go props for Juice for just going all in on ah the Macho Man look. He'd been going detail by detail and finally he was just like, it's time for the bandana. I am who I am.
00:43:30
Speaker
I, yeah, I mean, and juice, we can't speak enough about the brilliance of juice Robinson. Like if you told me all in London, 2026 was like world title main event was swerve Strickland against juice Robinson. I'll buy the flight to London for two years from now. Right now. Like I'm in.
00:43:49
Speaker
Yeah. um All right. Storm versus May. You know, again, we really talked about it. I will say one thing is that they did also do that thing of like storm Tony Storm. So we remember this character was born out of her losing the title last time. Right. And then she went in this tailspin and as she was leaving, she did was playing this like I'm going loopy.
00:44:10
Speaker
for a character that's already loopy, and she's even going loopier. So that could be real fun, where Mariah May goes with this. It could be real fun. Could be a disaster, but it could be real real fun. I think, no, I think there's some optionality here, and I think, I think, I like where they're going. I just, yeah, I think there's, I think there's more to to do. Yeah, it's just, I mean, my biggest beef with this?
00:44:33
Speaker
Honestly, is the fact that you're treating the biggest star in the division as a much bigger deal. and She is clearly the big star and she is the secondary belt. It's very strange that Mariah May should be getting this big, like she reached the apex of women's wrestling. And she was second on the card. And another woman who has what is canonically an inferior title,
00:45:01
Speaker
um got to be the essentially the women's main event. It's just weird. It's just weird. They got you to unify these titles. I thought there was a chance Mercedes loses even if there's like some Tom fuckery.
00:45:15
Speaker
just so that they can get, like they gotta to get that belt off her to get her to the world title. Like I feel bad for saying that cause I'd love to see what Mariah May can do. But if if Mercedes or you just never give her any title and just give her the Undertaker treatment, right? Just let, she's clearly the biggest star they have. So just let her get the Undertaker treatment and just whatever match she's in is the real main event. That's fine, but don't give her a title and then make that title more important. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think it's a,
00:45:45
Speaker
It's a missed opportunity, I think, to not just let the titles be the titles and let Mercedes be Mercedes. Yeah. Well, we can talk more about that. So then we have Hook and Jericho. Anything you want to specifically? I mean, that match sucked. It was fine. I don't know. It was quick. Taz can no longer do a Taz mission, by the way. Like, he wasn't even remotely close. Do you put it on Big Bill? Yeah, yeah. I know the outlaw. The outlaw. Yeah.
00:46:13
Speaker
um I will say Fauzi actually sounded great. Normally the live bands playing at the these teams just sound like shit always. Fauzi sounded great. Kind of weird that the Learning Tree character is singing the song, but everything about that segment was weird. I just hope we can just end the FTW title now. I think we're good. like it just seems like They're like, oh, this is Hook's third rate. like no like Just end it.
00:46:38
Speaker
Just end it. Like, yeah I know Tony won't get rid of some of these other titles, but that one has really like, it is the Taz title. Taz's son now has it for the third time. You've told every story there is to tell about the the title of a man who's been retired from professional wrestling for 15 years plus. Like, yes, we're good. All right, so tag title three way. By the way, one weird note,
00:47:07
Speaker
Uh, I don't know if you notice this little detail. So the champions usually come out last, right? Sometimes they come out first. So they say sometimes the bucks keep out in the middle. Yeah. I thought that was weird too. The bucks came out in the middle. found there I do like the Beatles, Sergeant pepper out, but those were pretty, seemed a little bit like a baby face move, but whatever. Um, don't hate it. I let him was kind of a heel.
00:47:32
Speaker
Lennon was. a specific But not during the pressure pepper days, right? He was still pretty, pretty good there. They were still pretty capable. I have a note in my notes here says, Hey, remember when Max Caster's raps were a highlight of the show? That was cool. I just like literally it's fast forwardable at this point. um Yeah, this whole angle with the acclaimed has just not quite. It's just all weird. They're trying to find like a serious thing, but the serious thing doesn't really work for them. I actually thought this match, I, I was sitting there watching this match going like, are we like, are the bucks?
00:48:11
Speaker
Like I know like they were so good, like the the match with Sting and Darby was great. Because the Bucks are so great at like the smoke and mirrors build the match. But it's like, is that what they can do now too? Because it just did not feel. It was very, very meh. Yeah, and I don't know why right now. Obviously, FTR agreed. I don't know. I will say like, I don't think it's why they originally started wearing like kind of the outfit, to the in ring attire they've been wearing for the last few months. but they The Young Bucks are showing a little bit of dad dad bod.
00:48:40
Speaker
Looks like they've both put on some weight and stuff. They've obviously been wrestling last. I don't know, man. I don't know. yeah I'm going to still believe that they can do it. And just for whatever reason, this one just didn't click. But yeah also the cameras were really bad and in only this match. They missed a bunch of stuff with the cameras during this match, which was very strange. But it was, again, very man match. Very man. I did like the view of.
00:49:04
Speaker
of the Grizzly Young Vets. That's a fun match for FTR. i See, I didn't because again, to me, it was just more we're jamming London down your face because are is are them against the Bucks a fun match? Sure. But Why did they get a title shot? Right. Like, why did they try to grow up after you are? That was my important implication at the end. There was after they kind of confronted, they were going to go to your either or it just felt like a little bit, but whatever. It was also I was just kind of like this matches his man. Although I will say I did really like as a bit, not necessarily the execution, the bit of Max Caster helping guys do tag team finisher. It didn't look great, but I like the idea. I'm with you on that. It's it's a great ah idea that they probably should have done with like
00:49:49
Speaker
Uh, one of the FTR guys instead, but right? Cause I think they would have actually, cause like, that is a really cute spot idea and they should do it. Yeah, but let's let's keep going to I think we got to spend a little bit more time on the casino gauntlet because this is the second one they've done, right? This is the one that osprey they did the Osprey one. Yeah. And the Osprey one was fucking amazing. And this one, I'm not going to say it was as good as the Osprey one from a pure wrestling match standpoint, but this one was exactly the big budget PPV version of that. And I fucking I thought the finish was absolute dog shit.
00:50:26
Speaker
Which we already talked about with Christian and Luchasaurus, but like, yeah, I fucking loved it every minute until that last minute. Second best match of the night. I i thought they pulled it off. So much fun could happen. I think it was the big like, you just like.
00:50:42
Speaker
Okada coming out second, yeah and I'm just like, holy fuck, this is this match is gonna fuck. This match is gonna need a cigarette afterwards. Yeah. Also the crowd reaction for Okada in Wembley was. Yes. That's the moment when you're like, oh, they should definitely, they're smart. they It's smart they're doing Forbidden Door here. Well, so okay, so we knew Orange Cassidy's first, right? Right. Then you get Okada second.
00:51:04
Speaker
Third is the return in the ring of Nigel McGinnis, which I didn't see fucking coming. No, we've been talking about it, but obviously he couldn't. The idea was that the only match would be him against Danielson, and they couldn't do that, although. And it would be super smoke and mirrors, right or something. Could they do that in a couple of weeks? Oh, no, I see. I think 100 percent that's happening. I think there's no way no for all out. Can we can we do that for all out? I don't think that could be all out, right? Because I don't think you can do that for that. Oh, or maybe just make it non title.
00:51:34
Speaker
i Why not do it for the title? Who gives a shit? Because he lost the casino gauntlet match. Who cares? Christian yeah open wine wins, losses matter in this league, Chris, and i will owe about in his entire AEW career.
00:51:47
Speaker
I will carve out like the three and a half hours it would take to watch the other. The fourth entrant is ZSJ. And it's just like, I'm just like, fuck me. What is happening? This is like, it's it's seriously like, you know, my childhood memories of Battle Bowl and the Royal Rumble just fucked and their kids were so much hotter than I ever thought possible.
00:52:15
Speaker
Yeah, ZSJ who's, let's be clear, like basically on the run of a lifetime right now, as as you mentioned the top, we haven't talked about the G1. And frankly, that's because, look, I watched a lot of G1, but I watched like parts of a lot of matches. I was having fun sort of following along. I watched every ZSJ match. yeah Every match was fucking great. The match he had with Gabe Kidd was spectacular, but he kept finding incredible fucking ways to like trap people and put them, it was so good. And I was so worried they were gonna fuck them out of it somewhere down the line. And and then look, i Yoda Tsuji's great, they should put him over at some point. But fuck me, I enjoyed every second of that G1. What do you think about him taking the title shot before Wrestle Kingdom? Do you think that's to get the title on him sooner or what? So I do think this means one thing, which is that
00:53:11
Speaker
One of the participants in the title match atre at at Wrestle Kingdom is going to be like an AW guy or some other outsider, but I think probably an AW guy. Osprey. Could be Osprey. Could be mo like. Yeah, it seems like to me that is why do you why do you do the and we talked about that, right? Naito can't reinvent another Wrestle Kingdom. He can't. He just can't be there. I'm sorry. Well, and that's a hopeful thing. That's my kind of hopeful thing is that They're doing this match early because they're like, no, no, ZSJ is going to take the belt and ZSJ is going to defend, ah you know, New Japan against Okada. And it'll be his choice. Yes. Yeah. And it'll be him calling somebody else out. Yeah. Oh, Okada, that would be great. ZSJ Okada with with ZSJ is a babyface champion.
00:54:00
Speaker
Against Hilo Kata, who is he on like multiple levels, right? Like he's the guy that left Japan, left New Japan and is an actual character heel on AWTV for those Japanese fans that do ah ah do follow. So yeah, that'd be good. I'd be i mean that I really like. I will say so one of the things that I love about I a was a chat with a friend who was very dismissive of wrestling when I was down in Nashville.
00:54:29
Speaker
And he was like, ah, like the fuck, Chris, you're smart. Why do you like wrestling? And I was like, no, look, wrestling, you can tell stories in ways that you really just can't do. And you know, there's facts you don't need me to tell you, but but z the ZSJ thing to me is such a great example, right? Because that is basically a six, seven year story of this guy's journey that they are paying off now. I just feel like,
00:54:54
Speaker
I'm going to be very marquee for him against Taito. I'm going to be very sad if he was. I just really wanted to fucking win that match and main event against whoever. I just, I think it would be great when I'm with, I don't know. Again, again, I think my thoughts on this clear, whether it's any of the guys that we just mentioned, even a lot of other guys in New Japan doesn't need to be an AEW guy or an American, you know, a North American star.
00:55:17
Speaker
Any of those guys can ZSJ very strong chance. I'm ordering Wrestle Kingdom. I'm I'm resubscribing Naito against literally anyone. I guarantee you I am not ordering or ever watching Wrestle Kingdom. Well, I think that was the other. possibility That was the other story that she won. Naito is so cooked. I mean, he is so and to me, the fact that he lost, he lost four matches and, you know, dropped it, dropped it to fucking great Ocon.
00:55:46
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like they're agreeing with us. like yeah I feel like Ghetto was like, look, I had to put the belt back on him because I wanted him to have the title, but I, yeah, guys, it's over. Let's it's, it's over. I think we have to admit it's over.
00:55:59
Speaker
Yeah, i like in retrospect, even he is kind of like, there must have been some promise that he's going to win over Mox in in the US, right? Like that that had to have been made and then like Japanese honor, they can't go back on it because obviously they'd be in such a better spot right now if they had had someone else go over Mox and so that they wouldn't need to do this. Presume, as we're both presuming, hotshotting the title on Zach.
00:56:25
Speaker
um Which they've never done with the g1 before right? Yeah, you could have put exactly ah you I was gonna say like I think he had to get the belt off mox For the g1 and because mox is taking time off and whatever but yeah, you could have very easily been like yeah Let's just put this on Shingo, I don't know. I'm just picking a name here, right? Like like even just put it on like great O'Con and just like, I'm not saying that's the solution, but like you make him a bigger star. Don't do what you did with evil. Where now you're putting all your eggs. You don't need to put all your eggs in that basket. You're just making a super heel, right? For the short term. Vince McMahon was very good at doing that for a long time. And that made wrestling what it is in the world.
00:57:09
Speaker
Right. Yeah. So like, yeah. But I do want to go. We should go back to the casino gauntlet because I have a question for you, Chris. What the fuck was Kyle O'Reilly and to a lesser extent, Roddy Strong doing in this match? Continuing this story that is going on forever where they kind of love each other, but they don't. and But but I'm just saying star it just seems like the caliber of guy in this match. I guess they fit with Luchasaurus, but Luchasaurus was in there for a pretty storyline version.
00:57:37
Speaker
It just seems like you had Nigel coming back, everyone else was a bona fide star. And then you had those guys who admittedly were a Ring of Honor stars once upon a time. But that time has not since passed. I would assume that was just kind of also maybe just like both those guys were hurt last year. Maybe they were just like, you guys are good. We'll we'll get you on this match. And yeah, I mean, they're both good wrestlers. I'm glad they're both under contract, but it did. They did sit sit out for a bit. But I'll give you this right. We talked about how the finish was stupid.
00:58:08
Speaker
I don't particularly have any feelings about Christian winning just from a non how he won standpoint one way or the other. But I will say that Tower of London spot. Oh, my God, it was so good. If Nigel, if that match ends.
00:58:23
Speaker
with Nigel hitting the Tower of London. And yes, of course, that is going to telegraph Brian winning. I don't give a shit. If that match ends, even let's just say Nigel's Tower of London and then somebody hits him and then they steal the bin. It's it might even it might be one of my top multi man matches of of the year. Like it's way up there. I will say, you know, all the other person in the match, Mark Briscoe, I'm really a just general point, really enjoying Mark Briscoe over the last couple of months.
00:58:52
Speaker
It's been he's been like one of the best parts of AWTV on a consistent basis. He's one of the few people I don't fast forward at all. um but For the most part, maybe except maybe on a collision where there's like.
00:59:04
Speaker
It's gonna be 20 minutes long, but- He isn't a lot of like eight man matches but for whatever reason. right They love him in those matches. And I love him in those matches, so I get it. Well, and just that it the it is fun, like the combination of like him and Orange and like Ishii is just like, I love it, I love it. By the way, Ishii in a intergender match on the pre-show, I just wanna know how those conversations went. Who explains the Ishii?
00:59:33
Speaker
What this is, how on board is he? He seemed like he did sell for Chris Statlander. So like he got on board. And then, of course, he, ah you know, ends up I think he ends up getting pinned by Stokely. I think so. He pins Stokely. He pins. He pins Stokely. OK, so but he. Oh, no, he took Stokely actually did a pretty solid spine buster.
00:59:55
Speaker
Right. He took a move from Stokely. He did take it. So he sold offense for both Chris that like we were going to sell offense from a woman and this tiny little man that is her manager. And they somehow got him on board. I mean, she's great. It's fine. Do you know how many times he said to sell for ghetto? He was fine. Fair.
01:00:18
Speaker
um All right, Oz MJF. No, but let's, the other point here, cause other things in the gauntlet, right? ah First of all, again, just kind of loving Hangman right now. He's been great. Jeff Jarrett getting that pop. He, by the way, yeah, he, I think Hangman.
01:00:34
Speaker
takes possibly the best guitar shot I've seen in about 10 years. Mm hmm. He takes a magnificent guitar shot from Jeff Jarrett. Yeah. Looks like a work of art. The angle of it, too, came out of no. It was great. Yeah. Also, Ricochet. Oh, I like it. I like Ricochet. I like Ricochet. And I got I'm not going to lie when like I start hearing about, you know, Ricochet to you, I was a little bit of like, yeah, I mean, he's an awesome wrestler.
01:01:03
Speaker
we have 700 of those like I'm not against it but I'm not like super excited about it and then he came out and I was actually a little bit even down on it I'll admit because I'm like are they gonna like push him to the main event just because he's a WWE wwe guy but like I feel like he was working a way a crazy amazing like American main event style he never actually did in WWE And I buy like three minutes into the match, I was like on my feet hooting and hollering for him. So I actually forgot how amazing he is. As crazy as that is. I think it he's he's an interesting signing for that reason, right? Because he hasn't really been turned leash on him loose on American TV. And also at the same time, it feels like he's not a guy that
01:01:52
Speaker
they're going to need to protect too heavily. A little bit like ah a good comparison might be kind of swerve, right? Where swerve was signed. People knew like, this guy's good. This guy's go somewhere, but they didn't aggressively protect him, you know? Right. But that allowed him of his own path. Yeah.
01:02:09
Speaker
Yeah, I think you can just there's a lot of shit you can do with Ricochet and and just let it go. And if it works, it works. And if he's a mid Carter, he's a very like high end mid Carter. You know, I will throw this out and you I know you know, I'm a fan. We're going to bring up another reference to our podcast when when I made us do an episode on Lucia Underground.
01:02:28
Speaker
And he was Prince Puma on that so like that was all in ring main event storytelling like He was in the main event basically the entire run of that show. He was our initial champion. He's the champion the entire first season um and like he's great and like He's in a mask and he never speaks, right? It's Lucha Underground. But yeah he tells the story in the ring in a very like aggressively four TV, four Western audiences style. And obviously, we've seen all the spot festy stuff he's done. Physically, there's nothing he can't do. like Literally, there is nothing any wrestler can do that Ricochet cannot also do, except for maybe fuck up a knee strike as much as Max Caster did.
01:03:10
Speaker
but um Match pitch. ah Swerve versus Ricochet. Loser has to put their Lucha Underground mask back on. Ooh, that could be good. It's a shame Penta's gone.
01:03:25
Speaker
or no oh you do you do loser leaves town but one of them whoever loses comes back with the mask midnight rider style yellow dog or that would give it away because everyone knows well i guess it's kind of but i we that's always the angle right you always know who it's dusty right you always know it's dusty no no no i meant you know who's gonna lose because who would have to wear the mask because it's like Ricochet doesn't talk, right? That's his whole thing. Although then again, Swerve is good on the mic, but if he's wearing a mask and doesn't talk, that means even more na-na talking. So that's kind of a win too. As much as I love Swerve. Yeah, I'm just saying, I think there's some fun there. The winner gets to wear a mask. That's how it works. Oh.
01:04:09
Speaker
Um, but yeah, casino gauntlet. I am totally oh like, unlike blood and guts that I felt it was really weird that this was just the middle of something and it's become just like hell in the cell of like, we're just doing it because of what month it is on the calendar. And we pre-decided like casino gauntlet. You can kind of do one whenever and I'm fine with it. Like don't do them too often, but you do one like every four months. I'm in. I'm good. Let's do it. Also, I kind of liked, you know, look, there was a lot of stuff to just show shovel people on this show.
01:04:38
Speaker
this is a way to do a match with 14 people, I thought was great. That I think worked much better than, you know, 10 minutes. It doesn't have the downtime of a battle royal, right? Where battle royals can drag, right? Until you get down to the, it's like you want to see the people come in and then you want to cut to when it's like the last five, five right? And then this is just, it's just great the whole time. You get the big pops, like the Royal Rumble, when Z Sky comes out. I like, no notes, flawless. I never thought,
01:05:07
Speaker
this concept when it was first explained to me for the first one, I was like, it just sounds like a gauntlet match. Gauntlet matches always suck. I'm wrong. They've made it amazing. All right. Do we want to go to Oz and MJF? And my question is, was the Assassin's Creed stuff pure product placement or was it Will Osprey's request?
01:05:31
Speaker
I think it was product plate. I and think it was both. Both Will Ospreay. When Tony mentioned, he's like, hey, someone do a thing with Assassin's Creed. Ospreay just like threw his hand up, very excited. He legitimately based his very first wrestling character and his ring gear on Assassin's Creed. It is his favorite game. Almost every wrestling podcast I have ever heard Will Ospreay on, he has talked about Assassin's Creed. Like, ah so...
01:05:59
Speaker
I'm I'm guessing someone on team AEW side made the first phone call there. No, that's my guess. That's that would be my hot take because it's not like they do product placement all over the place. I haven't seen any product placement for any video game other than their own video games. Right. Until this. And this was very overt and very involved. And I'm not going to say it worked because it didn't. It sucks. I wish it wasn't there. But like it kind of worked as much as you could do product placement like Yeah. Also, it was kind of oddly racist. Like, I guess that's the actual video game character's voice, but it sounded like a weird, very stereotypy, like, like literally MJF two minutes later came out as Apollo Creed. And that was less racist than Bill Osprey's entrance. But whatever. Yeah.
01:06:54
Speaker
I don't know what to say. The match was good. It didn't. It wasn't as good as the Dynamite match. Yeah. I think the match on Dynamite was one of the best matches in the history of free television in my mind. Yeah. I think this match was very good. I do wonder, by the way, because this is kind of where we started entering.
01:07:15
Speaker
Um, I don't think this one, but everything after this one, I noticed it seemed like it went a little shorter than I was expecting. Went a little quicker. I'm wondering, did the gauntlet go along? Did something go long? Because I do think the last three Mercedes, DMD, especially Darby and Jack Barry, that match was very quick. And then, uh, you know, maybe the main event.
01:07:34
Speaker
It was a little quicker than I would have liked, but it wasn't a quick match. No. And what I think, what I kind of guess happened is if something early, maybe the gauntlet or something went just a smidge long, someone was smart enough to work backwards and go, okay, Danielson and Swerve need 25. Right. They're not cutting a ah minute. Right.
01:07:56
Speaker
Right. We're not cutting. We're not cutting them. So and I think, again, in particular, if anything may have gotten the cut a little bit, could have been Darby and Jack. That felt a little on the short. Although I think I do think part of that was intended to be short because of the nature of that match. I don't think they were intending to go much longer.
Women's Division Challenges
01:08:15
Speaker
I. Yeah, it just it was very short. And I do think Mercedes and Britt Baker was kind of short. So let let's talk about Mercedes, Britt Baker. Is there anything I feel like their chemistry felt a little off in this one?
01:08:27
Speaker
I so. I also feel like how good is Britt Baker? I don't know, but I also. I think Mercedes and you know that this was my honest opinion, I feel like. Late NXT into her first year, two years on the main roster, I think that version of Mercedes was the best women's wrestler I've ever seen in my life.
01:08:57
Speaker
That's my honest opinion. I don't think this is her. Or like, I think she's probably still the best wrestler on the roster, don't get me wrong. But it just seemed like some of her selling just seemed off. And maybe it's the chemistry, maybe it's something Brit did. It just, all of it just seemed a little off and just not great. Not very good even.
01:09:24
Speaker
Yeah, i'm I'd be curious to see Mercedes against someone who brings... I don't know. I mean, I think the match with Willow was pretty good. It was pretty good, but but they again, just like playing like devil's advocate towards my first point. like Look at all these matches we remember her being graded. She's with Bailey. She's with Charlotte. She's with Becky Lynch. right She's with the other greatest wrestlers of all time that have a vagina. And is it possible? and We know Mercedes doesn't seem super smart. I'm convinced she does not understand like 60 percent of the reasons why fans think she's a heel. I think she gets she's a heel now, but I think she doesn't fully understand all the reasons why she's a heel. I don't think she's super smart from what I've heard. Is it possible she's just this really physically gifted person?
01:10:23
Speaker
who other people have carried to just better matches. I think it's too early to say that, to be clear. I do think at one point for a very long time, and I still think this, her run for like whatever, like 2015 to 2019 or whatever, I think is the best run ever from like an in-ring match standpoint. not I think it's the best run ever by any female wrestler, one of the best runs by any wrestler of any gender ever.
01:10:50
Speaker
Um, so I don't want to discount this, but it's it's it's something that popped into my head because Britt Baker, I don't think Britt Baker is a great wrestler, but her PPV matches have usually been pretty decent or like watchable. And this one was I thought was like bad.
01:11:10
Speaker
I agreed. I do think, you know, Brits, Brits, both of them coming back minjories, right? So that may be a piece of, you know, athleticism goes in different places. I do find that when Brits, once Brit became a star and was doing, I think Brits kind of struggled to do big matches. She's kind of had this kind of thing where she's like, she wants to do like the epic showdown and It doesn't always feel like her work can back that up. I mean, the the big blow off with Thunder Rosa was pretty good. pretty like yeah Am I just remembering that with Ruby colored glasses? I think you're maybe i think the the the death match is amazing. That's spectacular. But the blow off later where Rosa comes back and like wins the title in a cage match. i must be
01:12:04
Speaker
Yeah, I might be. Yeah, because that was St. Pat. Yeah, yeah, I'm a hundred. The lights out is incredible. The lights out. I feel like she's been riding a little bit off that lights out match for a long time. For sure. With blood, you know. Well, and again, Britt Baker was the face of the division when the division was horrible, right? It was like like you could have been the face of that division if you shaved your beard, Chris. Like there just there wasn't a lot going on that was very good.
01:12:32
Speaker
Can I offer, can I offer an interesting analogy here? Is Britt Baker, Nikki Bella in that Nikki Bella was the, was the face of the women's division for WWE for a while. And she, people liked, people enjoyed Nikki Bella for sure. art It's because she was the best and hardest worker of a bunch. And look, I'm, let's be clear. I think Britt Baker is a better worker than Nikki Bella. I don't, not gonna,
01:13:01
Speaker
It's a different time. A different time. Right. But the normal like tide line is now is so much higher. Exactly. Obviously what happens to Nikki Bella is that like the horse women come in and it all like that exactly the tide level just changes completely. It's a whole different thing. And now like, yes, Britt was working with, you know, there were some really good women on the roster at that time. um I think people do underrate sometimes that period because there were just a little bit fewer of them.
01:13:32
Speaker
Um, but now it's like, Oh yeah. Like Mercedes is here. Um, Mariah, Tony storm, Willow and stat lander are both kind of coming into their own and they can stop fighting each other forever. Um, I don't know. It just feels like haters back and hate. Like I'm way more interested interested in seeing Jamie hater against Mercedes than I am. Yeah. i'm I'm pretty sure I said this on the air a couple of weeks ago, but I think both of these women matches from all in.
01:14:01
Speaker
when they were just on the card, either one by itself was the biggest women's match AEW has ever had by an order of magnitude. Right. But that just shows you how quickly just all of a sudden we are just Britt Baker like because where does she fit in? That's the other reason why I thought she might also win is just like that gives her a place because honestly, Britt Baker shouldn't be in the world title scene right now. ah Mercedes should be right.
01:14:26
Speaker
um I think Jamie Heater can be cut right in there. I think Sariah can probably come back in. Right. ah Whenever they need to heat her up, I don't think that'll be hard. But, you know, I think again with Mercedes, especially Mercedes, Mariah and Tony like. That's just some pretty big shoes.
01:14:49
Speaker
Yeah. And again, that some of the depth and behind it to work, like if you're looking for like a title defense for some of these people, you've got like Parazzo sitting around Serena Dee, Stunter Rosa, who I don't think has been amazing or anything, but like, you know, there's more depth to circle, to like swing people around. Like is, I don't know, is like Britt Baker going to be fighting Sylvia on collision? But that' that's what I'm saying is like,
01:15:19
Speaker
I think those like, I don't think she's in the top 15 best wrestlers in the division of like pure in-ring work. And even the level of like on the mic now with like the Mariah and Tony storm stuff.
01:15:31
Speaker
Like she's not bad either, right? Because that's what I'm saying is like, it's not that the matches were bad when it was felt like it was a six woman division. It's just that she was the only one that had like any discernible mic skills. Right. um And that's just not true anymore. Like Tony Storm is routinely the best thing on the show. Period. Right. But that's the other thing I feel like Brit's main event character It's just these shooty promos about like, I was here day one and like weird worked insiders. It's so cringy. um Weirdly she and MJF share that. Like sometimes they get weird cringy promos.
01:16:14
Speaker
um I actually thought just going back to that the Osprey MJF thing, that was that promo they had was really bad right up until they MJF spit out the thing about like,
01:16:28
Speaker
I thought they loved me and then they turned to you. But that was such a long, shooty, crappy part. Anyway, I don't know too much about that. by the way fans let us know on the social medias do you like us having these episodes last week with heater a little bit different but all wrestling now we're having a traditional podcast episode where we're going a full hour on a wrestling show this is unprecedented for us in the last year or so but give us your feedback do you like it or do you wish we didn't do it
01:16:59
Speaker
So we got two matches to go. So we've Darby and Jack Perry, the man who we both worshiped to at the last A.W. show. We had sends it together. Jungle Boy, scapegoat, Jack Perry.
01:17:13
Speaker
Um, I forgot this match was happening. I'm not going to lie. I got to the end of Mercedes and Brit and I started getting real excited for the main event. Cause I'm like, well, clearly Mercedes and Brit is the semi main, right? Like clearly. And then they, that little graphic in the corner about this and I'm like, Oh shit, I forgot this match. Are they still doing it?
Darby vs. Jack Perry Match
01:17:33
Speaker
Are yeah they sure they still want to do it? Can't we just go to, but, uh,
01:17:37
Speaker
I mean, it was a match. It was a spot. for Like they got right into it. So what you were saying is maybe that was the but like they just went straight. Like there was no time wasted. They just went straight into the bullshit. And I don't mean that derisively. This is a bullshit match. It's a car wreck match. And they just went straight into it. Yeah. Curious to see where they go next with Jack. It does feel like his momentum is stalled a little bit. But I also think that they put him over real strong. They put him over real strong. They're not giving up on him for sure.
01:18:07
Speaker
the The energy with Darby I think was a little... Jack's whole thing is the rebel energy. ah Putting him up against Darby I think has been kind of weird for that. So just curious to see where they go next with him. Good to see Sting. Yes. Always nice to see Sting. Although he had his face paint was looking a little weird, I was worried it was one of Sting's kids for a second.
01:18:32
Speaker
So the face paint looked weird, and also his hair was three different colors, and none of them looked natural. So I think one of the colors was the paint going into like the scalp, so it was underneath. But even beyond that, there was two other colors. neither I am confident neither one of them are his natural hair color. I assume, let's be honest, Thing clearly is using coloring product. But like what's what's happening here?
01:19:01
Speaker
Also, you know, we talked about like reusing the same things and I don't like that either. I also think ah this didn't super bother me and he got a great pop. And you know what? Like this thing's great. This thing can come out whenever he wants for the rest of his life in my mind. But it is a little weird that literally four minutes before you're about to have what could be a retirement match, you're going to have a guy come out and do wrestling moves that retired recently. Hmm.
01:19:31
Speaker
It's like, you're just reminding like retirements don't really mean anything in wrestling. And I think for what it sort of things was real. Stinks retirement was as real as any retirement will ever be. And yet he's still giving, you know, reverse DDTs that the young bucks.
01:19:46
Speaker
We've already been touching upon it, but there's there's one thing with Brian sort of right at the beginning I want to get to. Maybe there's a public service announcement. I don't know if there's a Britain thing. I don't know if people again had been in their seats for many hours at this point. There was a lot of people during Swerve's entrance not correctly doing the Na Na dance. And I'd say if Swerve is going to be in the main event.
01:20:07
Speaker
And you know yourself, and you know you're the type of person that in public, possibly on television, on screen, may do the na-na dance. You have to learn the na-na dance. It's not a hard dance, right? So you can't just decide in the moment to try to do it and do it incorrectly, because there were a lot of people in Britain, not they were doing parts of the na-na dance. All of the moves they were doing were very na-na-like, but they were not doing the na-na dance, and that's just not okay.
01:20:38
Speaker
the British and their rhythm. It is, but it is. um one One fun detail here at some point is me afterwards. ah Swerve was apparently wearing in his over his coat, like coming in.
01:20:50
Speaker
Jimmy Rave, who was Nana's, the guy Nana managed in ROH who passed away a couple of years ago. He was wearing his entrance jacket, which is like, it's a pretty cool like moment and throwback for like the Nana thing. And again, like the weird journey of pro wrestling over the last 20 years, where we go from like ROH being in like a rec center to like literally Brian Danielson doing the exact, essentially the exact same thing in front of 50,000 people.
Swerve's Title Reign and Modern Expectations
01:21:19
Speaker
Nice moment.
01:21:21
Speaker
And i then and then also like not to mention, um, and just from the race standpoint to like 20 something years ago is Booker T never gets his win against Triple H in a very racist gimmick. Now it just swerves the world champion. Everybody's co-signed on it and it's great. You know, um, I actually think after such a strong tweener and face run, it was just a little bit.
01:21:48
Speaker
weak to me to end Swerve's run um as he's like not the baby face in his in this match. But like it's it's not the end of his story, admittedly, like this character in this run, I think will still go strong. I don't think Swerve will be a one and done main event run guy. I do think he's shown he's got the goods and he hopefully should be a many time world champion.
01:22:12
Speaker
But, uh, that was just one thing, but I mean, it's kind of picky, right? It's just kind of like, you know, Hey, Hey wife, here's this one thing about the blow job you gave me that just wasn't quite perfect. One of my pet piece about modern wrestling is the idea that like every title reign needs to be an Epic and it's no good if it's not. It's where I've held the title for four months. He did a lot during that time.
01:22:37
Speaker
I think it worked. I think it like, I think he got enough out of that. And by the way, Maine invented a fucking stadium show in losing the title. So, you know, not like it like took it from on a dynamite or something.
01:22:51
Speaker
Yeah. And like, I don't know how, like we're still again in the grand scheme of like a wrestling promotions lifespan. We're so early on in AEW, like relatively, like it shocked me when Swerve had on his shirt, it was like the what, sixth world champion or like seventh world champion or something like that. And I'm like, really? There's only been that many. And then I like run through it, man. I'm like, Oh shit. Yeah. So it's like, I, there really is the barometer.
01:23:16
Speaker
Okay. Eight. There you go. So like there really is the barometer for like, has there actually been a bad world champion yet? Like an actual run that's been the kind of a flop. Like I think Joe's was a transitional reign as by design, right? Like, yeah. So I wouldn't call that a flop.
01:23:31
Speaker
And all the rest of them have had pretty good high points. So um I mean, if anything, maybe be hangman, ah I actually think Swerve has done better carrying the main event than hangman did. And I thought I personally thought hangman did fine. I think a lot of people can shit on it, but.
01:23:54
Speaker
One thing I don't think it's a fair criticism say a w you cannot put on good world title matches. Yes, um no, there was that other guy who disappeared. um Where'd he go? Whatever happened? Yeah, don't I don't know, anyway.
01:24:08
Speaker
So no, unknown, he's been redacted. um I will say, and I hope I'm not beating a dead horse with this, but JR was awful in this match. He hes just is burying Swerve, basically saying he's not worth a shit if he doesn't beat Brian Danielson. And Taz just goes in and is like, oh, I respectfully disagree since, you know,
01:24:30
Speaker
He's been the world champion for months. Like JR just kept weirdly burying Swerve for no reason. And like to the point of like, I don't even know if he knew what was going on. And of course, getting the name wrong as I've done several times on this episode. You know, that is admittedly a hard one. um the It's the same name. They just reversed it. It's the same name.
01:24:55
Speaker
This it's true. It's true. And you can just and that's why I usually just try to say Brian because it works either way. Right. Yeah. um I will say I think I'm a little lower on this match than you were. um I thought it was very good. I think they'll in time it's it's going to be a match. I think I'm going to like more because again, the story is so good and the story is the real killer thing. And I think that some others may not.
01:25:23
Speaker
Um, because I don't think this is either one of their best wrestling match in AWW, quite frankly. um But I think that it was a great main event and it was a fantastic story. And um it's the only part that did really to me overtly feel like it was the beginning slash end slash beginning of something. um And I'm really excited to see what comes next.
Danielson's Match Craft and Episode Conclusion
01:25:50
Speaker
Yeah, I know. I think a lot of what made the performance really, really good and what made it kind of a great stadium wrestling match. Again, they're, they're working in a stadium and that, so again, like as you compare it to something like say Daniel's in an Osprey, it's, it's good in a very different way. Um, and not to steal again, not to steal too much from Jim Cornette, but as I mentioned, I was, I was watching some, some of these watch alongs that Cornette did where he was talking about some old matches and that's,
01:26:19
Speaker
that's the way i like my jim cornet i don't like need to hear him talk about current modern wrestling but i'll gladly listen to jim cornet talk about old matches but there's a moment in like a midnight express road warriors match where he's talking dennis condrey's kind of taking a walk right and he's saying look a you know dennis don't work over your pop you know that people just responded to something dennis is like taking a second to you know, let the crowd kind of keep cheering and not do something while they're already, they're still cheering. And I noticed, Danielson did that over and over again right he's his pacing, which, from a certain perspective you're like oh this is kind of a little bit slow they're kind of taking their time.
01:26:57
Speaker
But like, he's always weighed, he's letting the crowd build. He's not like, I'm just going to sprint through this. He's letting the crowd respond and do the yes chant and let the moment build and he's take it. So if you go back and like watch it for that, it's a masterclass. He's incredible. Um, so yeah, I think, and I also, I do also think, by the way, I was curious how you felt about what you're going to feel about the match because you were spoiled. Yeah. I do think kind of not knowing he ends up winning does help the match.
01:27:27
Speaker
Um, yeah, no, I mean, I, I, I think that it was again, a great button, but so also full disclosure to everyone. And I know you do this. I watched up until the Mercedes, the end of the Mercedes match on Sunday. And then I watched the rest of it earlier on Monday. Um.
01:27:48
Speaker
And I was you know spoiled. Right. But also like I had that break, which kind of broke the show up because it was growing a ah little long. So I think both of those things impacted probably equally, but in different ways. My feelings. um I kind of feel like that they had strongly telegraphed. I when this match was booked, I did not think Brian was going to win as soon as they put his career on the line. I did. um I think that they telegraphed kind of a lot that it was.
01:28:16
Speaker
likely he was going to win. So I think that like having that direct knowledge that he wins, it's a spoiler, but it wasn't like a shocking. It wasn't like somebody told me who Kaiser Sozay is, you know, yeah before I saw the usual suspects. So I think um I think it was fine. um I don't think it detracted from it. Like I think it's the same way when you watch any great old match. Like, you know what happened? It doesn't change it now.
01:28:45
Speaker
i i was just i think it was I think it was just a great, I think it was a lot of fun. Um, and I do think that like you're right that like Danielson put so much thought into this, right? And he's just like, clearly he is an artist and he's taking this as like the perfection apex of his craft. Clearly he and Tony Khan and probably a few others know exactly when and where and against who will be his last match or at least his last match as a regular, you know, wrestler.
01:29:20
Speaker
um And I can't even imagine what's going to be going into that. And that's why like a guy like Moxley makes a lot of sense. Right. Because it's got to be someone he can control like think about him. He's crazy in different ways. But like think about a guy like Macho man, everything we know about him, we're like, everything needs to be like.
01:29:41
Speaker
fully beat out. right And that's who he liked doing things with. And if Macho Man could have overtly planned his actual last spectacular match, which sadly he didn't get to do, like right I think it could be like that. Not that Brian Danielson is necessarily Macho Man in other ways, but like it's got to be someone he has spent a lot of time with and probably worked with a lot that he he's confident can fully fulfill that vision for his great final masterpiece. Yeah. Daniel's and much better husband than much. It seems like a but better husband for sure. And again, the next Dan Brown book is going to be explaining all the references in Brian Daniels since last match.
01:30:25
Speaker
um All right, well, Chris, I think we seem to be having some technical issues. I'm not sure how much of this Garrett will be able to clean up and post, but let's call it. I think ah we should call it that predetermined podcast on the social medias on Instagram. I am Jimmy Fax, AKA Jimmy Lloyd's IMDB. You this is the MiGs. That's your X name. I don't know, Chris, what's your I.G. handle? Is it also the MiGs? Chris MiGs.
01:30:58
Speaker
Chris Mix. There we go. Anyway, this has been predetermined. Garrett will be back next time. We don't know when it'll be. It might be all of us together. Derek might join. We all gonna be in Chicago soon. Either way, hit our goddamn music.