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Chris and Fax are headed to Philly for the Mania Weekend festivities so naturally we're talking about Avenged Sevenfold! We're chatting their weekend plans plus GCW, AEW and more! Wrestling!
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Humorous Health Chat
00:00:36
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predeterminate Pro Wrestling Hangout. Chris Miggs, Garrett Callender, Jimmy Fax, set him out of order. Guess who's who? Welcome back. Hey, it's been a couple weeks. We've been gone. I don't have cancer. I'll just go ahead and say that at the top. I got, I don't. That's nice. Still have a big spleen. Nor do I. Nor do I.
00:00:57
Speaker
Hell yeah. Nor do I that I'm aware of. I haven't gotten tested for anything recently and I did have a physical at some point last summer. So I'm hoping, I'm the least positive of the three of us at this point. Yeah. I'm like very, very positive. Like they scan everything for me. Well, for me, she's like, I don't know, your spleen's still big.
00:01:24
Speaker
We need to figure that out, but it's not leukemia. And then- Is there a spleen diet you can go on to like just trim, get into beach spleen shape? Yeah, it's getting to be beach spleen season. I want to look good on the beach. You got to get a nice tan spleen. That's why it got cancer, honestly.
00:01:53
Speaker
Yeah, it was spray tan. I was drinking it. I figured it would probably get there somewhere down the path.
Concert Stories & Tribute Bands
00:02:01
Speaker
Yeah, I am sick currently. So I might sound a little off. In your own head, you don't know how you sound. So I sound off in my own head, but I'm also all congested. So I don't know. But it's not reasonably certain it's not cancer.
00:02:18
Speaker
So, Fax, last night you couldn't record with us because you went to see a band that ended a friendship for me. It almost ended a marriage for me, last night. Yeah, you know what? So, I don't know, did we talk about the Nu Metal tribute bands on air? I know we talked about it on air. I believe we did.
00:02:41
Speaker
So again, the TLDR there is it was surprisingly fun. I really enjoyed myself. My wife saw that. I really enjoyed myself. So she saw an opening. Right. And I think she took some of that equity right away. It is like avenge sevenfold. It's one of my favorite bands. I can ask my friends to go, but it's literally Easter Sunday walking distance from our house.
00:03:09
Speaker
I want to go with you." I said, you know what? I don't like that band particularly, but maybe it'll be a good time, right? It's an arena show. You know, there were thousands of people there. I figured it'd be a good time. It wasn't. I mean, my wife had a good time, I guess, but the music was up.
00:03:29
Speaker
See, I feel like there's a gap here, though, because the New Metal tribute show involves you hearing the best one or two songs from each new metal band. And like, I listened to New Metal back in the day, like, I'm not going to try to revisionist history that I didn't have a Papa Roach record.
00:03:48
Speaker
Sure, I love Edge's theme song as much as anyone. But I feel like the problem is maybe not the number one or number two Avenged Sevenfold song. It's like the 17th best Avenged Sevenfold song. Here's what I knew I was in trouble, is that I didn't listen to any of the stuff. And I feel like they're just generally on the mixes my wife plays in the car, which are generally tolerant. Not my favorite stuff, but they're fun.
00:04:15
Speaker
So I was just kind of in my mind. I was like, oh, it's probably some of the better song. And it was like lunchtime yesterday. I'm like, I went out to get us lunch. We went to get some take. My wife wanted some take out halal. Great. I love this stuff. I went to get it. I'm like, oh, I'm only driving about four minutes each way. Let me let me dial into, you know, YouTube music and just see what their most popular songs are.
00:04:42
Speaker
And I play the country. The first one was. The one that sounds like it could be about Triple H, like the man, the king, hail to the king. And I'm like, OK, I know that I know this song. It's like 15 video games. And I'm like, wait, but that's the best song. Oh, and then I like I listen to a couple more and I'm like, oh, no, if these are like their most popular, these are the ones that are going to be like the encores. This is this is going to be bad.
00:05:13
Speaker
and it was, but I was very, and they stopped selling booze really early. Again, I'm sick, so I wasn't really... No, they were selling booze. They just stopped early. I don't know. It just was...
00:05:29
Speaker
So how did it so I did keep that to myself for, you know, me and me, my wife, been through some cancer stuff and stuff like that. And this was definitely the closest I came to just call it calling it. But I I bit my lip, bit through it. It was a reasonably length show. Not too crazy long 15 song set list. That's not too bad.
00:05:58
Speaker
Yeah, it wasn't a Smashing Pumpkin show. Yeah. Well, and most of the time I was just looking up at like, you know, what is the Green Day set list? Should I see them at City Field? You know, where what's the I was just looking up the tour schedules of other bands. Better. Yes.
WrestleMania Controversies
00:06:15
Speaker
Well, I mean, any any I said bands, right? So interestingly, I have a fun fact, guys. Did you know that Hail to the King was the official theme song for WrestleMania 32?
00:06:27
Speaker
No, that sounds right. Pretty sure Triple H was involved in that one. Wait, that was that that would have been Dallas. Oh, I would have been there. And I don't remember that. Oh, that was two Dallas's ago. Yeah. This was the Dallas that. Yeah, this was the Dallas that was main evented by Triple H and Roman Reigns, a famously long and terrible pay per view.
00:06:56
Speaker
Can confirm. Wait, Triple H and was that the year that Triple H won the Royal Rumble? Yes. And the two of them just got booed out of that arena. Like it was constant booing for the whole like that was the because the year before Roman got booed coming in to fight Brock, but it was a fun match. So the crowd kind of came back on it. The Roman Reigns Triple H match
00:07:26
Speaker
was long and boring and the crowd booed everything. In my recollection though, wasn't that the year that it was like that November they did like a title tournament for Survivor Series that Roman won. And it was like the first time that heavyweight champion Roman Reigns was actually kind of liked and kind of over. And then they did the screw job with Triple H winning the Rumble and just killed all of his momentum death.
00:07:56
Speaker
Yes, I believe that's what happened. Yeah. Just really horrendous booking. But it sounds like Avenge Sevenfold was the perfect soundtrack to that experience. Triple H. Well, because it's like, if you told me, because I don't know anything about it. So if you told me later that, oh, this band was just all the members of Motorhead's kids.
00:08:23
Speaker
And they started it when they were like 15 and still play those songs. I believe it's the Kids Rock version of Motorhead. Also, apparently they did a song that was going to be used as an entrance theme for Mr. Kennedy in 2006, but it never happened. Sounds right. Sounds right.
00:08:42
Speaker
That's how I actually described it to another friend of mine when he asked, oh, I don't know their music once. Like I'm like, imagine like somebody did a song for Mr. Kennedy's theme music in like 2008. But it wasn't good enough. But it didn't quite make the bar. It's a whole 15 song set of scrapped Mr. Kennedy entrance music. But I want to hear about this. How did it end a friendship on your side? Yeah.
00:09:13
Speaker
So I, one of my longest childhood friends, he was my concert friend, you know, through, we started going to concerts in junior high and then through college. But at a certain point, I quit listening to the same music as him. But I realized at a certain point, I had seen Avenge Sevenfold with him 17 times. And this was between their first album when they were a hardcore band,
00:09:44
Speaker
through some of the butt rock generation of the Venge Sevenfold you currently live in. And I said to my friend, I don't think I can go to these shows with you anymore. And it turned out that's all we had. And we just now started speaking again in the last year. Does he know that they're currently on tour?
00:10:09
Speaker
So I promise you he does. I think I will say I've seen good shows by them. They actually were in Tennessee like two shows ago, I think it was because I know when I was looking on set list FM to see what I was going to be dealing with. I definitely saw a Tennessee show in one of the most recent. It's fun, though, that you got to see them as they're touring what a lot of people considered the worst album of 2023.
00:10:37
Speaker
Yeah, I will say my, even my wife was like, Oh my God, what is this? Like she, she even was like, Oh, the first couple of songs are going to be from the new one. And so like we did, we showed up like right when they were taking the stage and she was just like, it's fine. Let's get a beer. Let's use the bathroom. Like no rush. And yeah.
00:11:00
Speaker
Well, did you at least get to see some like fire and some lasers or something? Like, no, no, I was just, I was, that's cause like we're on the fourth or fifth song. I'm kind of like, give me something here. Right? Like, and yeah, no pyro.
00:11:15
Speaker
no like they had the big screen like everybody does it had shit on it but it was pretty much just different like some of the motifs were kind of cool but a lot of them were just like like zombies and then lyrics which the zombies looked really cool but i you know i couldn't do that for an hour and 45 minutes
00:11:35
Speaker
I will also say their guitarist is legitimately pretty solid so that's kind of when he gets into some of his little riffs that that's that's kind of okay but then like maybe three songs from the end they they have the drummer to a drum solo and like my jaw dropped where I was like they actually let him do that like they know
00:12:01
Speaker
They know the other drummers like this is an arena show where we're in a hockey arena. They know that most of the drummers that are here are like way better, right? Like not every
WrestleMania Weekend Planning
00:12:13
Speaker
band has a drum solo first of all. It's kind of like you need to be a drummer to a certain every every rock band is going to have some kind of guitar or so. Right. Sure. Right. But like you got to earn the drum solo, I feel like.
00:12:27
Speaker
And this was the first time in my life, like every time you see a drum solo, you're always kind of amazed. You're like, oh my God, their hands move so quick. And it's like, cause they don't even try it unless they're great. And this was the first time I just saw a drum solo and I was like, what? What the fuck was that? Why did they stop the show for that? Not cause I wanted the music to start. I just wanted the show to be closer to over.
00:12:52
Speaker
I would say I was gone to the bathroom, but you didn't have any beer flowing through you. So I know I tried. Well, I'm doing some Googling right now to see who their drummer is because the drummer that I saw 17 times died of an overdose. And I know they've gone through several drummers. So it looks like.
00:13:11
Speaker
The drummer that you had, the longest he was in any band was 14 years of bad religion, but it said he was a session or touring member with Blink-182, Suicidal Tendencies, Avril Lavigne, Korn, Tenacious D. I want to see his docupic, this guy. Sounds like he's led an enchanting life.
00:13:36
Speaker
And he had a really bad drum solo in New Jersey. He looked like a good hang. He had a really cool T-shirt. I like I remember the whole time, like when they were, you know, just the kind of go around on the big screen of like the different members of the band, because like we have pretty good seats, but like I couldn't read the text on everyone's T-shirts from where we were sitting. But I couldn't. And like he kept turning and it was like there was a lot of text. And I kept being like, OK, wait, do I have it? Do I have it? I think it said something to the effect of
00:14:04
Speaker
No matter how it ends, this still matters or something like that. It was very nihilist yet uplifting. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed his t-shirt. So I hang out with the guy. I hang out with the guy. I want to see what the difference between bad company and Avril Lavigne are. Yeah, I want those I want those Avril stories followed immediately by the corn stories. Like what like what were those flights like when you were going between Avril Lavigne and corn?
00:14:36
Speaker
Like when you had to like mentally go from doing complicated to freak on a leash. What was that like? Honestly, that could have had something to do with the drum solo. He couldn't remember who he was with last night. That could have been. It's just it was the average drum solo. You know, she's a savvy business lady. I don't think she would allow it.
00:15:03
Speaker
I think I'm actually gonna go see Avril while I'm in Vegas with Chris. We're a wrestling podcast. What the fuck is happening? Well, related to that, we made a terrible mistake, Garrett and I, because we're going to Vegas the week after Double or Nothing, which really, it should have been a pretty obvious call that Double or Nothing was gonna be in Vegas like the week before we fought tickets. We're so fucking dumb. That could have been a perfect weekend. Was that for Dead in Company? Yeah, we're going for Dead in Company.
00:15:33
Speaker
But they're doing multiple week, they're doing, it's a residency. They're doing every weekend for like two months. We literally could have picked any weekend. We know you can change things, right? Speaking of AEW paper views, we can do it on trailer now, Fax. I don't know if you knew this. I did not know this. It's fact, you know how much I hated bleaching.
00:15:53
Speaker
I guess they fucked up enough on the last pay-per-view that Triller is the official home of pay-per-views now. Meanwhile, it was like the first pay-per-view I've watched on BR with zero complaints. I couldn't have gone smoother. Could not have gone smoother. I didn't know there were any problems until, but I mean, I'm happy there were.
00:16:14
Speaker
Um, cause I love fight or triller. I would love that now when I buy a pay-per-view, it's just gonna exist on my TV and I can click back to it and not have to get a laptop out. It had gotten point to, I'm not exaggerating. I have twice been refunded the full purchase price for an AEW pay-per-view NPR. And it got to the point that if I wasn't going to watch night of live,
00:16:38
Speaker
And crucially, from the beginning live, because that was one thing that drove me fucking nuts, is if you come an hour in, you could only go live. You couldn't start at the beginning of the show, which makes sense. It would just be, I am going to just get a bit torrent to watch the show the next day, not because I don't want to give the company money. I very much do. I always go out of my way to buy some extra merch when I do that. I just, it's more reliable. Like, I just, there's a more reliable, better experience watching it on my little orange cone VLC player.
00:17:10
Speaker
Not PLC. By the way, speaking of travel, Chris, we were talking before the show. So Garrett, you know, it's WrestleMania weekend. I don't know if you knew that it's coming up. And, you know, we're locals in the area. So we were planning Chris was going to come to my house. We're going to just drive down there. But it turns out Mrs. Fax actually needs the car for some stuff. So we're like, should we?
00:17:32
Speaker
train or whatever, we're like, you know what, actually renting a car is like about the same price for both of us taking trains gives us more flexibility. So I just need to know I'm in the Avis app. Do we want intermediate or mystery car? I doubt it's coming through on my thing, but it literally says mystery car. It is the cheapest one. It is $24 cheaper than intermediate for mystery car.
00:18:02
Speaker
See, here's my thing. It says it's gonna be a four door. It's not a complete mystery. It promises four seats and four doors.
00:18:12
Speaker
I'm a sucker for a mystery. That's the thing. I'm the wrong person to ask because I'm just like mystery car. Fantastic. It's all a mystery. For me, it was like at the same price I'm taking mystery car. You tell me it's $24 cheaper. It's like, how do you not get the mystery car? And what could it be if it's cheaper than the cheapest car? Is it going to be like one of those hot dog cars?
00:18:39
Speaker
I mean, you get the wiener mobile and you're like, I can't park this anywhere. We pull up and Jimmy Lloyd just gets in. We just have to sell $24 worth of ice cream. Which is so easy at a wrestling show. It's, oh, yeah. We're going to make, we're going to make thousands of dollars for selling ice cream. You might consider just getting a cooler full of ice cream and scooping cones in the lot.
00:19:09
Speaker
That's not a bad idea. We are talking about going to the New Fear City like outdoor, like free show. I feel like you just roll up to that. It is going to be cold though. Um, this is one of the, the deterrence we have not decided. So a fun question for our listeners that are listening for, for, for next week, will Chris and facts at the site going to WrestleMania weekend, go to WrestleMania.
00:19:32
Speaker
It's going to be cold. It's the Northeast in April, which means sometimes it's still kind of winter. The tickets have been very expensive, although they are coming down. It's a mystery. It's a mystery. We've got a lot of other stuff planned. It's going to be great. WrestleMania is a mystery. I personally say there's too many strikes against it, and I've been burned too many times at WrestleMania.
00:19:56
Speaker
But I feel like every time I'm in the city where a WrestleMania is taking place and I say I'm not going, I end up eating those words every single time. So I don't know. And then the new information is my, my brother actually is going to be here in Philadelphia. Him and one of his sons are very avid WWE watchers. So it sounds like they are considering checking out day of tickets. So that's another one.
00:20:24
Speaker
Plus, if we get to give that experience to a child, you know what I mean? Right. You always monsters would be. Well, he was bummed out that apparently outside of like the title matches and of course, the tag that the big tag match with Iraq, nothing has actually been determined what's on the first date, what's on the second. Because that's the other thing is because his son is like 11 and is like a hardcore.
00:20:49
Speaker
you know Mark fan to like he wants to see his guys and his number one guy is Seth Rollins I don't know I don't know why so he's gonna get Seth both nights so he's definitely gets Seth but then like some of the other guys are like he'd love he'd love a little Logan Paul that as of now it's unclear whether Logan's wrestling Saturday or Sunday
00:21:10
Speaker
I thought I saw WWE post something today and it looked like everything I would have wanted to watch was on Saturday. I thought that that's how it usually is. So maybe they did today. This was at like Easter, like our Easter family dinner. As of then, nothing had been posted other than the big matches. Maybe they did today. But typically it's usually the biggest money matches Sunday and then like the next
00:21:33
Speaker
the best actual matches you want to see other than the title match main event are always on Saturday. Since they went to the two nights, Saturday has consistently been the better. Well, from what I saw today, I thought other than the rocks match, it looked like Logan Paul and Walter's matches were both on
00:21:53
Speaker
Uh, Saturday as well as what I saw, but maybe I'm, maybe I was mistaken. I don't know. And again, we were, we were checking this out like Saturday night on our pre-easter dinner. So it's possible they posted between now and then I was just like, maybe they'll announce it on person. Yeah, it does look like, so the voices of wrestling, there's a card now, it looks like for that. Yeah. So Saturday.
00:22:20
Speaker
is rock and rains against Cody Rhodes and Seth Rollins, Io Sky against Bailey, Rhea Ripley against Becky, this seems wrong. Is it right? That seems like there's way too much for
00:22:36
Speaker
So, okay, I'm on Wikipedia, you know, always known to be correct. And it's showing the rock Roman match. It's showing Latino world order, which how fucking Dragon Lee is wrestling at WrestleMania. That's insane.
00:22:53
Speaker
Bianca, Jade Cargill, and Naomi versus Damage Control. The Usos fighting each other, and then a six-pack tag team ladder match. Walter and Sami Zayn and Rhea and Becky is what it showed me. So it looks like Logan Paul's on night two. So by the way, I'm on wv.com. It's the week of WrestleMania, and there is no link to the WrestleMania card. There's no even acknowledging that it is the week that WrestleMania is this week.
00:23:20
Speaker
It just seems like poor website management. I did see something that said that the plans for Ilya Dragunov in WWE were like, they were trying to kind of going to give him the Walter treatment. And as soon as he, they said when he drops his title, he is going to have the career trajectory of Walter and just be like an unstoppable beast over there.
00:23:53
Speaker
I like that guy. And honestly, those two had some fucking awesome matches in progress. So if you get to run back Walter and Ilya in a, I mean, I'm not going to count on, honestly, I don't watch this show. I don't know what the fuck's going on over there other than people telling me that what The Rock is doing is very good. And you know what? Good. I'm happy everybody's
00:24:15
Speaker
Happy. That's the other thing. I mean, we, back to what I'm talking about this, we're like, despite how positive people have been about WWE over the last couple of months, neither of us have watched a second of it.
00:24:27
Speaker
Well, like I literally just was in WWE.com. Hey, when I was saying it, maybe all of a sudden I realized we literally do a wrestling podcast. Raw is literally on right now. And none of us even, like normally we've recorded during AW, but we always acknowledge, okay, should we wait till the end of the episode? Should we have it on the background?
00:24:45
Speaker
None of us even thought to say, does anyone even? I have Yankees on. I definitely, I'm confident that neither of you are gonna have Raw on. Two. I have a Coliseum video from 1985 on behind me. Two, Chris, do you know where Raw's coming live from tonight? It's the Barclays Center, right? Yeah. I had no idea. And I never thought about it. And now that I see it, I don't regret it at all. I'm not like, oh, man, I wish I knew it was in the Barclays Center. I'm like, no, the Islanders won a game in overtime. Now the Yankees are on.
00:25:14
Speaker
I wouldn't see. So that's another strike against the mania. I will say the other, the one, the one option that's been laid on the table that is interesting is that there is going to be some kind of watch party at the ECW Arena, which means we have a real chance of seeing the Sandman do cocaine in front of us. And it's only $5. Did you kill Kane with Sandman? No, it's $5 to get in. I think you could,
00:25:41
Speaker
You'd have to pay for the cocaine. I don't think you just get to like... Sandman's not... It depends how good your company is to him. If you're providing him with a good time, like he's enjoying your musings, maybe you get some free cocaine.
00:26:00
Speaker
It's an option. It is, I will say, despite the fact that there's no New Japan this weekend, no even TNA or MLW shows, it does feel like it's still gonna be, there's a lot of fun cards this weekend. It's still gonna be, well, I'm excited. I'm excited, even though I'm not excited about WWE at all, I'm excited about meaning a weekend.
00:26:24
Speaker
Yeah, Mania Weekend's always, like I've never enjoyed Mania in the top three most enjoyable shows of Mania Weekend, Mania Weekend. So you guys have tickets to several shows. I ended up having to back out of this one. Is there a specific match at one of the shows? Because I know you're going to a few things that there are good matches at. Do you have a couple that you're most excited about?
00:26:53
Speaker
So let's start backwards. The only thing we have planned for Saturday now, right now is that there's a, a block party thing thrown by a wrestling store called suplex vintage wrestling. And they're going to have a few matches in like basically in the street at this block party. And the main event is Jimmy Lloyd. Like it's Joey Janela. And if.
00:27:21
Speaker
If I'd ever been, if you ever asked me, what's a wrestling match one should see in a literal street, like outdoors in Philadelphia, that's the match. That's the match. I can't disagree with that. Bring Jimmy Lloyd and Ice Cream Co. It could happen nowhere else. I'll be guessed. We will definitely bring Jimmy Lloyd and Ice Cream Co., of course. We owe him so many. I feel like
00:27:44
Speaker
I mean, in fact, we have to buy Jimmy Lloyd a pack of menthols, maybe. I feel like we owe him something. We've gotten a lot of entertainment out of Jimmy Lloyd over the years. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would...
00:28:01
Speaker
He's basically that David Tell joke where he's like, do you ever make fun of somebody so much you feel like you have to thank him for all the good times you've had? I got the way that I was going to thank him otherwise. I was going to wait till next time in Bhutan. I was going to actually bring him to my gaming store. We do a lot of these miniature games. There's a lot of glue, right? So I figured,
00:28:30
Speaker
There's glue, there's paint, there's lots of huffable elements that Jimmy Lloyd should know. It's literally just a block around the corner from the Elks Lodge where they do shows. You guys have to get a picture with him. For sure. So that's Saturday, you said. What time is that one? Somewhere in the afternoon, it says
00:28:56
Speaker
Wrestling starts at one, so I assume it'll happen at, I don't know, two, 2.30. So you're gonna go hit up that 10 a.m. NXT show? No. No. Not a chance. All right, I can't force you into anything. That's your birthday, right? Like, I'm not gonna make you shoot you. Well, the next day is my birthday. The Sundays. We have a tentative brunch plan. Like, we gotta get some brunch, a proper big-ass brunch.
00:29:23
Speaker
I got some college friends. I went to school in Philly. And Philly is truly a great eating city. It really is like people focus on the cheese sticks, which are terrific. Like you got to get a cheese stick when you're there. There's so much more than that. One of my top five eating cities in the country. Where do you get a nice sheet cake?
00:29:44
Speaker
A sheet cake. I'm sure there's plenty of places we can. It's actually a chic cake. It's the original. There's razor blades in it. Fire shoots out of it. Happy birthday. Make you humble. It's a strawberry glaze on top. That's definitely not blood.
00:30:07
Speaker
Um, what other, okay. So you've got the parking lot show where you're going to meet some easy ECW legends and watch Jimmy Lloyd. What else? Well, the ring of honor show, like, I feel like they announced a bunch of matches like a month ago and then nothing since. Like I'm on the ring of honor website and there's five matches and that's it.
00:30:27
Speaker
Yeah, they've announced like, yeah, like a couple of things in the last like week or two, but yeah, there's still a lot of open slots on that show. Yeah. Kyle Fletcher Lee Johnson, which is fine. I was hoping Kyle would get somebody a little, a little better, but a stardom six woman tag, which I'm sure it'll be great. All those ladies I feel like the ones that I've seen before have all been really good. But you think like.
00:30:48
Speaker
They don't have these Ring of Honor shows very often, and there's like 50 different Ring of Honor titles, and all of their champions are on the poster, like the Gun Club, they who shown up, the two guys with the masks that work for the devil. Like. Never learned who they were. Never learned who they were, but they are the champions. They are the champions. Maybe they'll be in the car that we rent. Yeah, it's weird. It does feel like there's a lot of
00:31:18
Speaker
open slots here. I'm excited that Dalton Castle is a big match against Johnny TV. Yeah. Facts. I don't know if you've been following those two have actually had a good ring of honor storyline going. So they, that is probably the most compelling story going into this pay-per-view. Hmm. Yes. Johnny TV stole the boys. Oh shit.
00:31:45
Speaker
Um, and that'll be a fun joke. I do know because, uh, he's always one of the Dalton's designers. Our, our Paul Jeff Rafferty will be ever. Jeff Everett will be there. Rockets are red. Well, right. And since Eddie already lost one of the titles and they've already disbanded the triple crown for reasons that escaped me.
00:32:04
Speaker
Um, I feel like he could lose to Mark Briscoe, which because it's like, what is the Ring of Honor title for? Like, I don't have any idea where it sits into any pecking orders. I don't think it does anything for Eddie. I don't think Eddie does anything for it, quite frankly. It's just kind of this weird thing. You might as well get one feel good out of having a Briscoe, your Mark Briscoe win it. And then just fucking end the brand. Like, just just do it.
00:32:34
Speaker
Yeah. If there's anything, if there's anything where you should go out with ROH, it should be that Mark Briscoe wins the title, paid to black, right? Like you're never going to top that. Right. Right. The guy who had to valet for his brother in the first match of the first ever Ring of Honor show because he wasn't legal to work in Pennsylvania yet.
00:33:00
Speaker
is the champion at the, I mean, just, I mean, down the, up the, up the road. I mean, basically, you know, in the same city. Yeah. It's like, like clearly the money TK paid was hoping they could get the Sinclair TV time. That didn't happen. He's got the tape library and I'm sure that'll pay for itself at some point, right? Whenever that happens, it'll happen. But like, I don't understand what the purpose of keeping the brand alive.
00:33:27
Speaker
You know, or, or make it actually like a developmental or something. Like, but otherwise it's just like. Midcard, AEW guys getting extra matches, but like, it's not like J white and the gun club aren't on TV,
Indie Show Hype
00:33:44
Speaker
right? It's not like they're getting exposure. They're not getting. Elsewise, like I, so I don't understand. Well, it'll be a fun show. It will be a fun show and that'll be a fun match. Like that's definitely.
00:33:55
Speaker
to the match at that show, I'm gonna be most looking forward to pending something getting announced. Yeah, before that, we'll be at some mix of either the New Fear City show in a skate park, sounds like a good time, or something called a block party at the ECW Arena, where all the old ECW guys will be doing meet and greets and stuff. We'll probably try to do both, because we're gonna be at the battleground show at one o'clock,
00:34:24
Speaker
almost completely for Beastman. Yeah, there's no reason we would go to the show other than Beastman will be there. I should remember to bring my beast for I should back that right now because I will forget and I have no idea. Yes, and then we can take a picture of you with the Beastman. Like that's I mean that would make WrestleMania weekend worth it and like on its own.
00:34:49
Speaker
He'll just see the both of us, and he'll just stop for a second. He'll be like, okay, the third guy's not here. He's the one that gets a little creepy with me. I dialed the nine and the one, but I didn't hit one send, but I saw the third guy's not with me. So he's asking about my phone.
00:35:13
Speaker
There's a t-shirt pop-up too, which, you know, I have no good wrestling t-shirts, so it's important. Yeah, I see what's available. It was one of the hard things. It's gonna be cold, so I feel like I'm gonna have to wear a sweatshirt, which really kind of limits how much people actually get to see the t-shirts.
00:35:35
Speaker
I'm actually getting paid $10,000 by Chris's wife. And when we get to the t-shirt thing, she gave me a big tranquilizer dart to just jam it in his neck. She's like, honestly, if there's permanent damage, it's fine, it's worth it. There's just no more room. So you guys are doing blood sport though, right? We are. Yeah, that's the first thing we're going to, four o'clock on Thursday. Just perfect type of blood sport.
00:36:03
Speaker
It's a good card. There's a handful of like exciting med. This might be the show with the most actual like good match-ups that you're going to. I mean, we got Suzuki, right? Always fun.
00:36:18
Speaker
which our buddy John did, it's Suzuki versus Royce Isaacs. And John did the video package that Royce Isaacs recorded for the show. So they probably will actually air it on the blood sport show when you're watching it.
00:36:37
Speaker
We got Shayna Basler. Yeah, Shayna Basler in a blood sport match is just kind of nuts, right? Like that's how you know Vince is gone, right? That that's able to happen. And it's against Masha. Right. That's really fun. That's a that's actually like a legitimate.
00:36:54
Speaker
Like, I mean, I don't know if it's a dream match per se, but it's a, I don't think that would be, honestly, I don't think that would be overstating it to call that a dream, but it was like a dream match in the way dream matches used to be where you never got them. Right. Like it's, it's one of those old, like, like we, we never thought about that. Cause why would there's no way that match would have ever happened. Right. And yet here it is.
00:37:19
Speaker
We got speed ball against Dolph Ziggler. That's the thing that's going to happen. Which again, at a normal card I have, that's my bathroom break match, just cause you guys know how I feel about speed ball. But at blood sport, what the fuck is that? What is Dolph Ziggler versus speed ball Mike Bailey at blood sport with no ropes and lots of blood and violence. And the way it's written out, it looks like that's the main event.
00:37:46
Speaker
It could be. It could be one of the main events for sure. I think it's Shayna Masha is going to be the main event, but. But yeah, it's hard, like it feels weird that Barnett wouldn't book himself as the main because he hasn't booked himself Johnny. He hasn't booked himself at all. The bloodsport means has I don't think so at all. I don't think so. I think he didn't last year. Pretty sure the last one was him and Thatcher. Well, that wasn't the main event, right? Wasn't it Mox and somebody?
00:38:16
Speaker
Mocks and Alex Coughlin. Oh, no, they were the longest match was Barnett. Actually, the main event was Barnett. I'm like almost certain of it. OK, he didn't two years ago. The main event, I think, was Dickinson and Suzuki. OK. And then before that was Mocks and Biff and then Barnett and Jonah Rock.
00:38:41
Speaker
Okay, but honestly, I need to read the Mark Hitchcock Memorial Super Show card from top to top. Yeah. Okay. Do it. This is, this is as of today. This is literally from voices of wrestling to death. It's RVD versus Mike Bailey.
00:39:00
Speaker
Shit. Masada Tanaka versus Josh Alexander. I don't know. I have no idea. I think it's close if not. When we were looking at tickets, it definitely wasn't a ton available. Yeah. And this was many weeks ago when we bought tickets. Like yearly, this is one of the most fun shows maybe. This was like this was the thing where we're like.
00:39:22
Speaker
I believe that when we got tickets, not a single thing was announced. I think there was a couple of guys announced, but no matches. And it was just like, it's the one show we just got to buy. That and ROH were the two shows we'll just buy on faith because there's always something good. And honestly, tickets aren't that expensive. If you get it firsthand, that's like,
00:39:44
Speaker
If we just go to another GCW show again, like I'll do it, but like it's always worth going. OK, so we don't knock on Alexander to knock on Alexander. Then we got our boy Dolph Ziggler going against Janela. Jesus, which is weird because the weird Janela spring break match is on the WrestleCon Super Show. Yeah. Yes. Then although it's admittedly Nick Nameth,
00:40:12
Speaker
Or like six years from now, we'll be the actual spring patch. We'll just run that one back. By then, Joey will yield. Then there's a team CMLL versus Team Dragon Gate. Ten man tag. I'm not going to read all the individual guys, but. I recognize all of the CMLL guys like it is actually the top guys in CMLL. I don't recognize all the Dragon Gate guys, but I'm sure it's going to be incredible.
00:40:40
Speaker
I recognize a lot of those names. I, there, there's going to be a lot of flips. They're going to flip very hard. Yeah. Then next up, probably the weirdest match on the card, which is safe. So they, they Philadelphia street fight between Sammy Callahan and Paul Walter Hauser. What the fuck?
00:41:02
Speaker
The actor. Golden Globe winner. Mm hmm. Yeah. Paul Walter Houser from one of my favorite movies ever. I Tanya. Such a good movie. Star making performance. And that's what got him into his street fight with Stevie Callan. And then the last match I see listed again, I'm not saying it's the last match. It's the last match I didn't see a voice in wrestling is the bariquas versus the full blooded Italians. Including Tommy Rich.
00:41:32
Speaker
And they'll likely be more than that. Right. Like that's probably not. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's definitely going to be those are typically long. They're not usually actually that long, but they do tend to move at a pretty brisk pace until the last couple of matches. So I would guess there's more coming or again. So the brief was FBI, by the way, is an eight man tag, not a tag match. It is an eight man tag.
00:41:56
Speaker
So between the eight man and the 10 man, I mean, those could go pretty long, right? If they wanted to. The other thing I'd say is that the light thing I like about the super show is that, so because we're going to ROH, we're skipping the ECW legend show on Friday night. And there's a part of me that's like, man, I can't believe I'm not going to go to the ECW legend show. On the other hand,
00:42:24
Speaker
over the course of the weekend, we are going to get to see pretty much all of the ECW guys remaining that are capable of what could like actually be described as wrestling at this point.
00:42:39
Speaker
Like I've seen Shane Douglas, I've seen Shane Douglas wrestle in the last few years and it is, it is not great. And he's wrestling Al Snow and I watched Al Snow try to get ready to wrestle in a documentary and thought to myself, that man's going to die in the ring. So, and they had, it's funny cause this is a rematch of one of the worst pay-per-view main events of all time from 26 years ago. And it still might not clear that bar.
00:43:08
Speaker
Oh, it likely will not. It very likely will not. And also, I feel like at this show, we don't need to worry about just the presence of Bubba Ray Dudley. Like, I actually think as far as ECW originals or whatever you want to call them, he's actually probably one of the ones in in bring better shape, like more on the RVD end of the spectrum. But just his opinions, I don't want any part. He's just don't want him around. Yeah, he's just trying to be like the next cornet.
00:43:36
Speaker
Wait, so that's the one that it's the Dudley's versus? Oneida and a mystery partner. And we don't know the mystery partner yet. We don't, we don't. The other thing we're getting, that night, if we are- It might be our car. We have the energy.
00:44:05
Speaker
We've got, so that night, we have tickets to the midnight show for JCW and GCW versus the world. The one thing I'm really interested in this, Team Dragon Gate, again, three guys from Dragon Gate, against a team called Los Desperados, it's Ares Latigo and Gringoloko, AKA Fax, which should be pretty fun.
00:44:34
Speaker
which is all sorts of other weirdness to, it looks like it's gonna be a weird, fun show. Whatever we're able to stay up for, it's gonna be pretty late at that point, but. It sounds like this is just a good, you're turning this into a good indie wrestling weekend.
00:44:50
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's what, like I honestly would go to Mania Weekend every weekend just for this and not go to Mania. That's when I went to Dallas a few years ago, that was the intent. And then like literally the day before it was all over the dirt sheets that like, oh no, Stone Cold's actually wrestling a match. And then, and then it was like, my hands were tied, right? You tell me Stone Cold's working a match in Texas and I'm literally already there, you know?
00:45:24
Speaker
I feel like this WrestleMania is going to be pretty fun. It seems like people are really hot on WWE right now and I feel like Walter Sami Zayn has high potential to be just
00:45:38
Speaker
I mean, even if they have 10 minutes, that should be a fun WrestleMania match between those two. Logan Paul and Kevin Owens at WrestleMania just seems like there's potential for the craziest thing you've ever seen to happen, but also Randy Orton's in that, so who knows? I don't know. I'm excited to watch him. It's getting cold as shit though. That is really one of the downsides. It's gonna be cold as shit. It's gonna be like 45 degrees at bell time.
00:46:08
Speaker
And it's also like, I have plans the next day too. So it's just, let's just get home so late. Cause it's like the show is going to go to close to mid. It's going to be midnight by the time you pull your car out of the parking lot, like actually more than a mile from the stadium. So you're talking, I'm getting home at the earliest 2 AM. Chris is getting home at the earliest probably 3 30 AM. Right. Or, or we're paying for another night in Philly, which I can't do. Um,
00:46:38
Speaker
Not a lot of great options. No. No. But The Rock. But The Rock. Yeah, I just. I don't know. Again, for me, the fact that there's all these other shows that I'm actually far more excited for makes not going to mean you much easier because it's like I've got I got aged a couple of days off work. That's pretty fun. She's taking days off work to just watch wrestling in the middle of the day. That's pretty fun.
00:47:07
Speaker
Right. And like, I don't know. I feel like I don't need me. This is going to be a fun, fun weekend without it. Again, I'm not saying I can't be talked into it. Like, you know, if the price is right or whatever, but like I'm, me and Cruz have been talking about this a lot and it's just kind of like neither one of us want to call it, like neither one of us want to come right out and say, we're definitely not going because we both know ourselves too well to say that. But like we both, pretty much every conversation is like, there's like so many reasons that it's just kind of meh.
00:47:38
Speaker
And it's not that it's any balls off for like five hours is really one of the big ones to me, though. Yeah, I mean, if it was still the one night Mesalmanias, there's no chance because then it's like 70 hours, right? Yeah, like. It is more compelling with the two nights thing, but I just I think the calculus is.
00:48:03
Speaker
I think I said like, we talked offline that there is a certain price that if we were able to get pretty decent tickets, I don't want nose blades to like 300 level, like upper deck football stadium for wrestling is just not a good time for me. So like, if decent tickets come to a reasonable price, like day of, I'll do it. Otherwise, I just think like, there's just a lot of waiting around in the cold where you're really far from the ring.
00:48:30
Speaker
and could barely even hear the theme music sometimes. Like that's how far you are. Yeah. And again, it's right now. Right now, it's one hundred and sixty dollars is the cheapest ticket. And it's behind half of what we looked at the other day. You know, it's still over double what I'd paid off. Yeah, for sure.
00:48:50
Speaker
For that high up, yeah. I'm behind the stage. Yeah, there is no price I would go. Like literally, if you offered me free upper deck tickets to WrestleMania, so I think it's like I would need 100 to $150 for 100, I think what it would take. And that might happen. And then we're going to have to have a real conversation over Chris's pre-birthday pancakes.
00:49:19
Speaker
We love some pancakes. We love some pancakes. Maybe, maybe a little hash. Oh man, we got to find an excuse to get back to Appleville effects. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, uh, I'm pretty sure AWW will be doing a pay-per-view there around, around, uh, labor day. The last time I was in Chicago for an AWW pay-per-view, you weren't there and I, it didn't feel right to go alone.
00:49:44
Speaker
Facts, so Chris and I discussed this yesterday, not to get off the topic of Mania Weekend, but I see we're winding down a little bit here time-wise. Did you watch the OVW Netflix show? I still have not, no. So they're coming to Nashville, and they're playing a venue that's far too big for them.
00:50:09
Speaker
What do you think of front row seat costs? And this is in Nashville proper? Correct. It's at Marathon Music Works in Nashville. It's like basically next to the American Picker store. 40 bucks. Oh wait, this is after the Netflix show. 50 bucks.
00:50:32
Speaker
$170. So that's for the gold circle VIP seated, which includes premium general admission seating, which we assume is front row, a meet and greet, a photo op, a t-shirt, and a poster.
00:50:52
Speaker
Who could you possibly meet that isn't just going to be standing around anyway? Al Snow isn't even on this poster, facts. But you can get in the door for 21.50. Even that seems like a lot.
00:51:14
Speaker
Listen to this though, 21.50 for general admission, but you can get a box on the stage. So you have an elevated view of the ring and a dedicated server. It's $117 for 10 tickets. I feel like I didn't notice last time the dedicated server. And look, I don't know where we're at. Look, we're at a point in our lives, a different point in our lives than we used to be when we go to wrestling shows.
00:51:44
Speaker
But if there was a time, if you told me for $117 at a wrestling show, there's a person that would bring me and facts and Tom drinks. I'd have done that just for the three of us. Yeah. Sounds incredible. I will say, though, these days you get that at like lower bowl seats like any of these. So the enchantment is worn off. But that said, yeah, some of those like
00:52:11
Speaker
late aughts Ring of Honor shows. Those poor surfers would have really earned their.
00:52:20
Speaker
Well, with this, like, I don't know if I could find one person to go with me, let alone, you know, nine. So I think they're just gonna be like, fuck, who are these guys? Like, this is a crew of on-house dudes that I found over by Third Man Records, and we're gonna go in here, and we're going to drink vodka from the bottle, and you can't say no, because no one else is here. I think here's the answer. You round up, it's Nashville, Garret.
00:52:49
Speaker
You round up nine unemployed musicians and you say, guys, I'm buying drinks tonight, but by the end of the night, we need an album about wrestling.
00:53:08
Speaker
And I think with nine guys, I think you'll be ready to record the next day. And I think the songs, songs about OVW, I mean, those are going to be some sad songs. So.
00:53:21
Speaker
What's funny is that this show cost the same for me to go, like when I would go to the Beastman shows at the gym. That's basically, I think those shows were 20 bucks. This is 21.50 for me to get in the door. Except there's no one I'm looking forward to seeing.
00:53:41
Speaker
And I'd have to Uber twice because there's no parking at this venue. So it's $40 of Ubers to get there. There's no one you give a shit about wrestling. I'm sorry. Like I'm looking at the photo of the people. They're looking back at me and cash flows giving me a look like not even me. Like sorry, bud. Like I did find your story endearing.
00:54:04
Speaker
Like I like you as a person, but are you truly worth like $75 in a day for me to go see you wrestle a nine minute match or something? It's a great question. Great question.
00:54:25
Speaker
Like, are they going to pull local workers or is this just the guys I saw? I don't know. This is a, this is like a local indie wrestling show that is touring. That's bizarre. Why are they doing this? I guess cause of the Netflix show, right? I mean, like cause, but wasn't one of the themes I understand like these guys, like
00:54:50
Speaker
Like, AEW, WWE could bring these guys up, and they're not. There's a reason why they are in a Netflix series and still working in these. But, I mean, as crazy as it sounds, I'm sure there are people that like that show that don't watch wrestling, but maybe would go to a wrestling show with people from the Netflix show they like. But yeah, I gotta think there's just some random locals working the show too.
00:55:22
Speaker
I mean, I truly have no idea. It's...
00:55:26
Speaker
I don't know, like that just doesn't seem, cause I mean, the show is basically showing you that Al Snow is doing a bad job at running this company and he's pissing away this man's money to the point that he has a seizure in front of him. Like, spoilers facts, like Al Snow pisses away this guy's money so bad that as they're talking, he starts convulsing, shaking, refuses to get in an ambulance and tries to drive him home.
00:55:57
Speaker
And then they're like, do you want to pay $170 to be front row? Kinda. Kinda. Yeah, I think we got to go Garrett and let us you got to give us a full report. I know I owe you. I owe the show that much. You don't have to. You don't have to. You don't have to get the meet and greet, although
00:56:25
Speaker
Answering the question of what is involved in a meet and greet is something I really do want to know. Vax and I would have gotten the meet and greet at Control Your Narrative if they hadn't canceled that entire tour. Well, because they already had Garrett's comic book money. So they got the objective.
00:56:50
Speaker
That was such a little win for EC3. That to him, like when he stole my $7, he's like, I fucked his wife. Like that was- That's the kind of card he is, yeah. It's not about the money, it's a power move for him.
00:57:08
Speaker
Did you see where you can sign up or control your narrative wrestling training? And not only, not only can you, that is the only product that is still offered on their website. The website now is strictly about the wrestling school. I did check because again, Chris's birthday is coming up and I was seeing if I could, I was going to buy the shorts. I'm only revealing this because they are no longer available. I was 100%. We've got a call.
00:57:40
Speaker
We really do have to get in touch with EC3's significant other now to see if she'll sell us those at a discount from the box that's like clogging up their garage. Well, or given what we know about the comic book, were there ever shorts? That's the other option, right? There never were any shorts. All of this was a scam. Although there was the spices, those were real. Spices were real and delicious.
00:58:10
Speaker
I cooked a really delicious steak. That's the biggest problem, guys. I don't know if you can get those spices anymore. They didn't give you a chance to buy out their liquidation.
00:58:21
Speaker
That's actually a shame. I mean, mine are still fairly full and we use them pretty often, but I mean, just as recently as like a week ago, my wife made some chicken and I was like, God damn, this is really good. What did you use? And she said, I used to control your seasoning. It looks like you can still get control of your narrative merch, not the shorts, on pro wrestling tees. Can you get the spice on pro wrestling tees?
00:58:51
Speaker
Oh my God. I'm like working through the dudes gourmet reps website to see and I'm, I'm not really, I don't, I don't think it's here. This is distressing. That's just, that's one of those things that you think is never going to go away and you know,
00:59:10
Speaker
Oh man, I just Googled control your narrative spices, clicked a link that popped up for dudes gourmet. And it says sorry, there are no products in this collection. No, I feel like I got to send you the rest of them, Chris, so you can at least give them a give them a go. I think you know, I think the answer is we message dudes gourmet and we say have you converted the delicious beef King just a different
00:59:39
Speaker
You know, maybe they're selling it with something, with a different cover, you know? There's one of just Dolph Lundgren on the front now. No, it's going to be Al Snow, right? It's going to be Uncle Al's. OVW spicy goodness. Yeah. Like legitimately, I'm going to probably message them on Instagram and be like, yo, are any of these basically beef king?
01:00:08
Speaker
like I'll buy a case this doesn't happen to me again you can probably message Braun Strowman and he's like he's certainly got some extras he'll sign one for you he probably goes through beef seasoning far quicker than you do though let's be real protein shake
Wrestling Show Costs & Value
01:00:29
Speaker
You know, by the way, and I hate to say this, when you guys are now have finite amounts of this delicious seasoning left, but anytime you get a really good seasoning, you just take some more than you think, put it in some sour cream, you mix that up, throw in a pitain, ruffle, plain potato chip. Amazing dip, amazing dip, all of them.
01:00:54
Speaker
Damn, have we considered though that maybe my spleen isn't normal size from controlling my seasoning? It might be. It's become a beef king. I die. EC3 fucks my wife and eats my giant spleen. And then he sends, he gives her the comic book because that's in the comic book. He already wrote it. He's already printed it.
01:01:25
Speaker
He sits it. I see that Chris is holding up his phone. He has messaged the dude's gourmet. Yeah, he sure has. The last page of the comic book is EC3 sitting the comic book on my grave.
01:01:46
Speaker
after he's done fucking your wife, he just throws a pair of the shorts at her and just says, clean that up. Clean that up with this. I have a whole truck full of them. Never sold one. Don't really good businessman. I will say I'm going to think we're right now, but I just want to put this out there because Garrett and I said this last night and
01:02:14
Speaker
when we were talking, I feel like we should watch a bunch of XPW. I was going to some hard drives recently and apparently at some point I downloaded something that has basically all the XPW shows. So I'm just putting it out there publicly so that you listeners can shame us if we don't start talking about terrible XPW from the late 90s and early 2000s. We're gonna do this, I don't know when exactly, but. We owe it to ourselves.
01:02:42
Speaker
We owe it to comedy to see what comes out when we watch some of the worst wrestling of all time.
01:02:53
Speaker
Yeah. Cause in this came up facts while we were watching the most recent GCW show from Rochester, New York. And, um, it wasn't an American cheeseburger. The show was packed and it was fine. You know, it was, I don't want to say it was like part of me feels like there was a lifelessness to GCW now, or maybe that's just how I feel watching it. The joy that I once had.
01:03:21
Speaker
is not there. Well, again, we act in a room. Chris already said it. He said about one match, but I would say it's the the best GCW card of WrestleMania weekend is the Mark Hitchcock Memorial Show. You know, it just is. Yeah.
01:03:38
Speaker
It's the zest. The magic is gone. I don't know. It's they need they can find their fire again. Oh, yeah. But it's it's not in what they're currently doing, which is we discussed this a good indie wrestling show. One of the best indie wrestling shows you can go to, to be honest. But it lost, but made them special. Yeah. And it feels like when they try to go back there, they can't quite recapture it. I think it's those two weeks. Yeah.
01:04:08
Speaker
Yeah. Had we talked about what this on the show, Chris, like what you said about ECW last night? I was saying like, it reminds me a lot of 1999, 2000 ECW. If you go back and watch those shows, there's a full crowd of people who were very excited.
01:04:24
Speaker
but if you watch one of those paper views and then you watch like a second one and you try to remember what was on one and all you'll remember is just like there was wrestling, it was good, people tried hard and people liked it. But like anything that was distinguishable about any of those shows, it basically just, it's gone.
01:04:49
Speaker
So I think that's where it feels like that's where GCW is at is that none of these shows are bad. You could put the show on. You're like, this is okay. But I, you can't remember what was one show and what was another two weeks later. I mean, part of it might be that we're not adding a lot of new guys in like.
01:05:09
Speaker
I don't know like a lot of the big guys are gone or the shine is faded and like the guys that you're adding right is like so like you even look at like uh, Fairly like what I would call like still like end of peak GCW You had Cardona right and like Cardona if he just came in and was Cardona It wouldn't be interesting at all. But like he came in he did the macho king thing. He went heel He threw him right in the cage. It was really cool
01:05:38
Speaker
Now you look at Dolph Ziggler. Dolph Ziggler is just flat-out a better wrestler than Mike Cardone. That's not really an arguable thing. But it seems like he's just Dolph Ziggler.
01:05:51
Speaker
And I don't know how they're going to make that interesting, but they're not so far. Right. And that's, and I think that that's the other thing too, is using Alpha Ziegler as a great example of like this weird hybridization, vanillaization of just the entire like quadruple A and Ds, including New Japan strong.
01:06:09
Speaker
is there's literally just the same guys, right? So it's like, what is special about a GCW show when a lot of those guys you see elsewhere, once having like, quote unquote, good matches, and then you're not really getting, they're not top of the deathmatch pyramid anymore. So it's like, what is the thing? Like, they've just become kind of pretty good at everything. And that's a really fun show.
01:06:37
Speaker
But they're just not special, and they're not as good at everything as AEW is, or probably WWE.
01:06:49
Speaker
And one of the things, you know, obviously death match is what drew everybody to them at the beginning. And we had Nick Gage who we really watched him ride like the peak of his career. Like the great, like such a good- One of the great indie runs period, right? Like, yeah. And the problem is no one replaced him. Like there wasn't somebody who stepped up. I mean, there were guys like,
01:07:19
Speaker
that seemed promising, like Nolan Edward, who got cancelled, you know, like, I don't know. Well, I think it was no one who was like on the rise, maybe Atticus, but then he split. But I would even argue, like, again, like the late Gager, you had Cardona, you had Moxie, you had these like big name guys from elsewhere.
01:07:40
Speaker
And they came in and it was great. And I think that's what's changed, right? Is that Cardona mocks. They worked GCW shows the way they should. And then somehow I think they took the wrong thing away of like, Oh, we just bring in bigger names. People know.
01:07:57
Speaker
sell more tickets and which almost definitely was true but like I even think mocks probably would have wrestled worst matches if it wasn't the fact that he clearly had his own approval of what he worked and what he didn't while he was chanting
01:08:12
Speaker
But like, I think that that's where it's just become any other show is like, even a guy, and I'm not bashing Speedball Mike Bailey, right? But like Speedball Mike Bailey, he's just a good, like he should be working all these indie shows. He's a good worker. What is he doing in GCW? Right? He's just wrestling Speedball Mike Bailey matches. He's not wrestling GCW matches.
01:08:37
Speaker
like twice a weekend, every weekend for the last two years. Right. And it doesn't need to be Nick Gage title match death matches, but even like, I don't know. You see a guy and like weirdly in the boot and shows, we see JCW, like you'll be like, Oh, grim reefer. He's fun. I like him kind of in the same way that again, like that ECW era had a lot of those kinds of familiar opening acts, um, that feel kind of indie, but are like,
01:09:07
Speaker
They're comfort. Kid Cash. Balls Mahoney. Yeah. Well, do you think that it's spring break like we take the title off of Blake Christian and try and do a reset with Joey Janela being the champion or because then where the fuck does Blake Christian go? Like that guy seems like he should have been signed somewhere by now. And it just kind of never seems to be happening.
01:09:35
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know, man. I mean, I think since Masha won, it's been a little rudderless. I don't disagree with having Masha win the title. I think it was a great move. It was super surprising. But it did seem like they didn't like they immediately had like they set up Blake Christian immediately. Like that night, right? Like didn't Blake Christian like attack Masha after the match or something? Yeah. It was literally that night. And it was just like,
01:10:01
Speaker
Really? Like you're going to put this much behind like Christian, but you just had a historical title change from your Hulk Hogan, right? Deathmatch Hulk Hogan. And like, this is the guy I kind of felt like Jenna. I think they should have gone to Janela Wiley. Cause I do think that Janela is the only one that kind of can do that. And, and is a also a big enough name in the mainstream.
01:10:28
Speaker
that people know who he is, and he'll also be willing to work a GCW style, right? Like, he's not gonna just do, you know, AEW dark matches. Presumably. Presumably.
01:10:43
Speaker
And then you can kind of figure it out. And then I think it's things like let the, you know, I think GCW, it always felt like the fans had a lot of voice. So like, let the fans have the voice. Like, don't, don't set up the next guy. Just show each and all gonna be champion for years. It has to, like, I doubt it'll come to them, right? Just the fans will tell you who should be the next champion.
01:11:03
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like on the Indies, I'm sure there are up and coming guys that we just aren't aware of yet. But also think about how many guys could have probably been champion had a GCW title reign, but, but didn't. And like now it's kind of too like, like Effie, like, I think now it's probably, I think it's too late for those guys, but I think either, either one of them certainly could have been champion. I think you could still go back to Cardona.
01:11:29
Speaker
Um, yeah. But certainly Mansur and Eppie getting a big shot would have been a lot more interesting. Like I think the argument is one of those guys should have been the one to beat Mox. But that way, two years ago. Well, I think it's fine for, uh, so yeah, if it's two years ago and again, like, I think like Masha winning, why wasn't there more of a Masha plan?
01:11:53
Speaker
Right. It seems like she had like a little run. Right. Like, didn't she? But again, her little right. Her little run was always about Blake Christian. So, yeah, she had the time for what? Probably two months, maybe something like that. But like it was quick. It was very clear where it was going. They didn't actually. So that's what I don't understand is if Masha is going to be your transitional champion. Why have her be the one to be taken?
01:12:23
Speaker
Two, again, why do it in such a sensational way that they know is going to make headlines if she's just going to be a transitional champ and then just kind of back back to the mid third? It's just none of that makes sense to me. If you really wanted to make Bleak Christian, then fucking do it. Have him beat Gage. Right. But I agree with what I think. I think it was Chris. Like if Gage just literally just didn't have the gas in the tank anymore, you just had to get the title off.
01:12:50
Speaker
Yeah, put it on one of the guys that has a big following. Let them get the big win. Even if they're going to be transitional champion, just don't do it in such an obvious way. I mean, there was a good like bit where.
01:13:05
Speaker
uh, Blake was doing a heel thing. And I mean, need, none of us have followed GCW in a bit. And I think we hadn't even, this is insane. We're at the end of this podcast and we've not talked about AEW and how they're on this fire run of shows.
AEW & Future Wrestling Predictions
01:13:23
Speaker
It's since it's honestly, cause there's just, it's just every episode is just no notes. Like, like that's literally, it's like, what are we going to it's, it's like, Oh, Hey,
01:13:32
Speaker
Do you guys find it weird how Tony Khan is a machine that reads my dreams and gives it to me in real time? Do we think he's gonna use that to run the world? I don't care, I'm happy.
01:13:45
Speaker
the only note. I do have a note. I have a note and apparently melt her as the same note from what I understand. Okay. Which is fucking just let you gotta get Sasha out there wrestling. Like having her come out and talk and do commentary. This is making me less excited for when she wrestles. Just remind me why we liked her and don't keep showing me the things that she's weak with.
01:14:10
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I agree. Like it also would have been fine to just have her show up in Boston and then just she's just not there until the match. Like if you want the first match to be in a pay review or something, that's fine. That makes her seem like a bigger star, right? She's like, I don't like, I agree. Like just talking into a microphone.
01:14:31
Speaker
Which is not, let's be honest, not her strongest skill. Not that she's terrible, but definitely not the reason we like her. It's pretty bad, I think, personally. Yeah, it's worse than I remember, I'll say that. Maybe she didn't, Bailey was carrying the weight there. But yeah, I think just big time, just don't show up on Dynamite. Just announce the fucking match. We'll see you there. Well, at this rate though,
01:15:00
Speaker
I mean, is her first match going to be at double or nothing? I mean, I don't know. She's not going to be on Dynasty. The women's matches are set and it seems like it's going to be mostly title matches on that show. So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, she's not working. She's not working with the pre-show, right? So it's either that or she's well, when would that be?
01:15:25
Speaker
That like it's a month after dynasty. Yeah. Yeah. So I think 21st is dynasty. So, yeah. April to May. Yeah, I would guess so. Right. Because with only a month, you wouldn't think they do one of those quote unquote big, big dynamites. Right. Because it's got to be a paper view or one of those like marquee. We're in a giant arena and a big city shows. I don't know if they have any of those tweet April and May.
01:15:54
Speaker
Either way, we're talking about the one thing in AEW that I kind of have had an issue with. The show has been absolute goddamn fire and just once again must see TV and weekly wrestling, which is all I've wanted for a while and we got it back.
01:16:11
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's what I was saying, that we're letting Ring of Honor die. That's not a criticism. That's just we don't need it. Like we everything we love about Ring of Honor is there. You got it. You nailed it. No, no. I don't need a show called Ring of Honor. Again, if you want to do it for like tax evasion or a sneaky way to run a show WrestleMania weekend without saying you're running a show WrestleMania weekend, cool. But like, you know.
01:16:37
Speaker
Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, again, I barely need a show called New Japan anymore. I mean, so it's really, it's really just AEW's just got all the things at this point. They have everybody, like the Okada stuff's been great. Like, terrific. So it's been awesome. By the way, we're at a place that we've always wanted to be with a wrestling show. It's just, I'm happy. I do see that the week after Dynasty, they're doing
01:17:03
Speaker
All the shows, Dynamite, Collision, and Rampage are all going to be at Daily's Place. And they do have a big thing of Sasha Banks on the poster, and she's not on most of the other posters. I'm just, I'm happy with Tony Storm. Like I'm happy with, I'm just... The Bucks, the Bucks are on another great run. It's like every time you think they can't do something new, they just, you know, they just do. Swerve. Swerve and Takeshita. Oh, Swerve.
01:17:31
Speaker
just will fucking facts. You busted his balls and he has come out week to week and given amazing promos that have made him the most likable baby face in the company. But, but also makes my Will Osprey character dead on. Like I relistened that podcast and it's like you love him. It's the way like you have that guy that's kind of like an oaf, but he's your friend and everyone loves him. That's Will Osprey.
01:17:59
Speaker
By the way, and we're going back to like GCW, like they don't have a choice, like AEW, it's like, I'm so conflicted who the next world champion, there's like four guys I equally want to be the next world champion. I somehow want all of them to be world champion. There are many titles in AEW, they could all be champion if you want. I would, yeah, there's only one title that matters though, right? Or two, right? Agreed. The men's and the women's and the tag teams.
01:18:30
Speaker
Okada could hold this belt that he has forever, and it's just the Okada title. Like, I mean... Sure. Who knows? I mean, there's a good chance we're gonna get Buck's FTR again at that pay-per-view.
01:18:41
Speaker
I have tickets. I already have tickets. I have like my plans are set. I am going And I mean what so we're either getting Bucks or best friends and FTR top flight. So most likely bucks and FTR unless you're like best friends pull an upset or something No, I think we were worst case is probably bucks top flight because I think the bucks The angle is set up the bucks gotta be in the match. Right? Um, and so
01:19:11
Speaker
I think it's Bucks FTR, worst case it's Bucks and the biggest match in Top Light's career. Although apparently Top Light was supposed to lose in the tournament and that was an audible. And they're definitely getting hurt. It got hurt. Yeah. I frankly think the most likely answer is that the Trent and Orange get screwed over by the mysterious men and end up being the tag title match next Friday at ROH. That'd be cool.
01:19:39
Speaker
And even just for the singles heavyweight champ, it's like, we've known like the rumor and I don't even think it's a rumor. I think it's just like literally every fanboy in the world all sees where this is going. I don't think there's an actual rumor, but everyone's like, okay, September or end of August, whenever it is London, it's going to be Osprey and Swerve for the world title. And it's like, that is legitimately five months from now.
01:20:07
Speaker
And yet it's already at 100% agreement that that's where all it, like the 100% of the wrestling viewing audiences, I don't care who wins. Just if you're giving me that match in Wembley stadium for the world title as the main event, I will sign up for that right now. I just have faith in you, Tony Khan. Just, just get me there.
01:20:28
Speaker
Oh, it's just it's two baby faces, but like who gives a shit that the what they could do in that matter. I mean, you can turn to reveal. And here's here's another thing, right? All this baby face top of the card action. You know, MJF is coming back at some point. He doesn't have to come back as a baby face. Get some good old fashioned kind of heal MJF.
01:20:54
Speaker
Oh, it's just, goddamn, we're excited again. Like I am in front of my TV every Wednesday and this is something I haven't done in a year or two at this point. Like it's been like watch matches as they come, but.
01:21:09
Speaker
I've been doing I've been doing the same thing. Let's see. And normally sometimes I do it during the baseball season and like hockey playoffs because it's like I'm just flipping channels. But like even before baseball started and before like hockey is obviously kind of in the last month crunch for playoff friendly, even before then, I was watching I was watching on Wednesdays whenever I could. Like whereas for me, it's just kind of like, oh, it's something that's on the DVR whenever it's like any other TV show. And that's the way it's been for
01:21:37
Speaker
at least six months. And it's been the last two months or so. It's kind of been like, unless I am physically unable to watch on Wednesday night, I'm going to have
01:21:48
Speaker
Like, I mean, there's so many guys that are over right now. I mean, like even Takeshita. That guy doesn't deserve to get knocked down the card, but there's just, it's so stacked that at this point you could put him against so many guys as well. And that's just a fun, I don't know. Chris, like who are you? Like, I mean, obviously other than the guys we just mentioned, is there anyone we're leaving out that is?
01:22:13
Speaker
Bryan Danielson continues to be awesome and just wrestling all the people. Do you know what main evented collision this week, which I know you guys don't watch like a crazy man in collision. It was Daniel, first of all, the week before was Danielson against Shabbatah, which talk about dream matches, right? And that we didn't ever thought I can. Know what main evented this week? Danielson, Shabbatah and Claudio against Lance Archer,
01:22:39
Speaker
and the righteous. It was tremendous. What the hell? These are all just things. Tony Khan is just like, he can make all this stuff happen. It literally feels like he's running a video game. And then you had Mox and Claudio against FTR. And that match was just incredible. And everything is so deep. It's like Mox and Claudio beat FTR in that match. Then Arden in the tag tournament started the next week. I don't fully understand that. But again, that's another thing. There's so many people that like, Mox and Claudio as a tag team.
01:23:09
Speaker
aren't even in like the top five. And they're incredible. They would be better than the best tag team in most areas of WWE.
01:23:19
Speaker
It's funny that we spent so much time on this podcast just not talking about how good the wrestling we currently like is, but we packed it in at the end.
Future Podcast Plans
01:23:30
Speaker
Well, I'm excited. We have to record next week, right? Is there going to be a day we can chat and talk about your weekend? We should conference you in and do a mystery car cast on the way back to Philadelphia.
01:23:44
Speaker
Get you in literally could because you can do the app. You can pull up the app. That's true. Maybe we're one of Mike issues when we're just on the Bluetooth in a mystery car. In the ice cream truck. The mystery car is actually wired for podcasts. We're actually going to be in the ice cream truck just broadcasting out of the ice cream music speaker. We're just going to be talking about Claudio Castagnoli. Penis holes. Will Ospreay. Jimmy Lloyd.
01:24:12
Speaker
Get your ice cold penis cocaine here. Sandman's like, I don't even want to know, just put it in me. Fax has a straw leaned over Sandman blowing it in.
01:24:28
Speaker
He's a legend or else he wouldn't do it. Um, all right. All right, everybody. Thanks for listening. Uh, a lot of wrestling this weekend. I'm going to be watching it at home. These guys are going to be watching it there. They're going to be serving cones. If you see them in Philadelphia, stop by and get a scoop. Um, but yeah, app return podcast on Instagram at Jimmy Lloyd's IMDB page at, uh,
01:24:51
Speaker
at Chris Migs, at Gartet. This was fun. Happy to see you guys and excited to do it again next week and hear the craziness of Chris Migs birthday weekend. Yeah, get some vanilla soft serve with a little bit of cheesesteak on top. Hit our god damn music.