Podcast Introduction and Zencastr Mention
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a Pro Wrestling Hangout. Garrett, Chris, Fax, everybody's here. Last week you didn't get a show because Zencaster, baby. Can we actually talk wrestling this week? Or our internet? It's unclear.
Chris's OnlyFans and Grateful Dead
00:00:48
Speaker
Let's not. Our overlords at Zencaster may be listening. They're almost certainly not. But Chris, I wasn't going to be able to make the show that you guys were going to do last week, but I did that night check your OnlyFans and the stream was perfect. So it definitely wasn't on your side.
00:01:04
Speaker
That's unfortunate. The people who just love to watch me watch Grateful Dead shows got a lot that night. It's not the watching you watch, it's how much chocolate sauce you get on yourself during the show. Yes.
Energy Drinks, Mushrooms, and Medical Humor
00:01:26
Speaker
I got to tell you guys, I had a woo energy in the morning this week because I couldn't drink some tea.
00:01:33
Speaker
And I decided who energy it was going to be. And let me tell you, I had a long day that day. I felt great all the way through to the end. Those mushrooms just. So I do want to know the scenario of why you couldn't drink tea, but you could drink energy because I got to imagine anything medically related. Blue energy is one of the first thing doctors put shut down.
00:01:58
Speaker
He had kidney stones, you take a woo energy, and you can actually knock 10 cans down with those goddamn things. I didn't have, I had time to drink something, but not time to brew tea and let it cool. Got it. Been there, been there. Not with woo energy, but you know, that's my bad. Could you try heating up a woo? See like what, if it's also a warm beverage? Mine would have been a soup.
00:02:27
Speaker
Like the Japanese coffee machines that are just cans of cold coffee and then they heat it. So you just get a hot can. But also, wait, so where are we with this, Chris? Is this like you still just have some from the initial order and you're finishing them? Or do you kind of have a taste for them now? I still have some. So I bought six cans. I bought one of each of the flavors too.
00:02:53
Speaker
you know, world's end for us to drink together. Now I've got the other three cans and I've had one of them now. I think I have the other two, but it was a lemon for reference.
Ric Flair's Energy Product and Fred Durst
00:03:03
Speaker
Sure. And it was still not brown. Yeah. Not the color of Garrett's. No, no. That's fucked up. That's fucked up. You, you should be drinking Brown soup. Apparently yours wasn't brewed Garrett. It needs to be properly brewed and heated.
00:03:19
Speaker
to be served. Although I do have to say, Chris, I'm kind of, despite what you just said, I'm still anticipating somewhere in like the three to six month timeline, I'm anticipating a text to me from your wife that I need to get your friends together for a woo energy intervention. He hasn't slept in weeks.
00:03:44
Speaker
That's part of using any Ric Flair product as it eventually ends in an intervention. Right! Conrad Thompson will be attempting to murder me by the summer.
00:04:01
Speaker
I just call your wife back immediately when I see it. I'm like, what's the matter? Is he like missing work, you know, job performance down, like trouble with the family? He's like, no, no, no, no, no. His work performance has never been better. His boss actually called to say how much he's been killing it. The one thing is every day at five, when everyone's leaving, he helicopters his penis around. But he's been doing so good at work that we just kind of look the other way.
Wrestler Okada's Potential Moves
00:04:28
Speaker
But at some point,
00:04:32
Speaker
It's just weird. I'm not saying it's a fireable offense. It's just really strange and uncomfortable. Oh, fuck. When I think wrestling, you know where I think of?
00:04:48
Speaker
I think, well, I think of a lot of places. I think of Bhutan, I think of West Virginia, but I think of Jacksonville, Flo Rida. And you know who the proudest son of Jacksonville, Florida is. That's right. It is Fred Durst. Fred Durst. So let's let people peek behind the curtain here. Oh, and by the way, Okada might come to AEW, but let's look to behind the curtain here. We were talking about Fred Durst right as we went to air.
00:05:14
Speaker
I pulled up his Wikipedia page. These two fine gentlemen Garrett and Chris had to have not seen the Wikipedia page. So we all know how Wikipedia works, right? There's like that executive summary at the top before like the early life section. So I am now looking at the opening section of the Fred Durst, William Frederick Durst, 53 years old from Jacksonville, Florida, Wikipedia page.
00:05:39
Speaker
There is three points of information that are the most vital points of information about Fred Durst above the fold. The first one I will give you is about the Van Limp Biscuit. That is the headline. I want you guys to guess what number two and number three is. And I'm going to give a little bit of a hint. There is some relevancy to this podcast.
00:06:08
Speaker
And one of them kind of fits something that you might think, like a normal person on the street might think. The other one is fascinating. So I would get, so you're saying like the three, like these are the three things that he's known for. There's three paragraphs. I think each one's like one sentence, but there's like three factors. I will read the first one aloud.
00:06:33
Speaker
is he is the frontman and lyricist of the new metal band Limp Bizkit formed in 1994 with whom he has released six studio albums. That's the first one. I would guess that one of them is that he's also a film director because he's directed at least three movies and TV commercials.
00:06:52
Speaker
That is correct. That is the second one, which I thought some people would get. It doesn't actually credit him as a director, but it just says he's worked on
Drunken Wrestler Anecdote
00:06:59
Speaker
a number of independent films and then it lists what they are. That is the number two. Is his third one his appearance on ECW in 2000 or 1999? Sorry. WrestleMania. You though are not that far off. It's not WrestleMania either, but you guys are
00:07:21
Speaker
Is it just in the right name? Their song Roland was used as the undertaker's entrance. No, I will say this. It has nothing to do with the previous two. It is not about music or film. I'm going to say it. Oh, wait, one more guess each. One more guess each. Let's. But you're right. It definitely has to do with wrestling. Fuck, does he own NWA now?
00:07:51
Speaker
But he does own EC3. Did he, did he main event a TNA pay-per-view in 2006 that I don't know about?
00:08:04
Speaker
Like against Jeff Jarrett and Toby Keith. Not that I'm aware of, and that's not the item, but now I kind of do want to scan his Wikipedia page to see if that's on there. The third one is that he appears as a secret playable character in the video games, Fight Club, WWF Raw and WWF Smackdown. Just bring it. That is what the world thinks the third most important thing about Fred Durst is.
00:08:33
Speaker
not started a riot at Woodstock 99. Well, that's under limp biscuit. So. Do you think he'll be a playable character in fight forever so Garrett can have five Abaddon's beat Fred Durst? By the way, the by far the longest thing on his page is the section for feuds. So I guess it works for wrestling.
00:09:00
Speaker
I'm going to just, I'm going to shoot a read them down. Cause it's a fun list. This is in order on Wikipedia, his feuds slipknot, Britney Spears, taproot end system in a down that is listed as a single thing. Taproot and system of down, not to Creed, placebo, shaggy to dope. I'm going to see if there's anything wrestling related. I'm not seeing it. Although it does reference Steve O's wild ride podcast.
00:09:26
Speaker
Then another double bill of Trent Reznor and Marilyn Manson. Interesting grouping. Puddle of Mud is
Uncomfortable Tracy Smothers Promo
00:09:35
Speaker
our closer on that section. But if you printed it out, that would be about four pages. Wow. I mean, there's a lot of talent on that list. Some more than others, but. You know who never turned on him though? Aaron Lewis. Aaron Lewis always knew where his bread was buttered. He's never turned on Fred Durst.
00:09:56
Speaker
He's like Brutus Beefcake in Hulk Hogan. Or Brian Knobbs in Hulk Hogan. Those guys are, oh wait, they're never turned on the Hulkster. So I'm sorry, by the way, I scanned the Shaggy Too Dope section too quickly. I'm gonna just read this for you. On October 6th, 2018, Shaggy Do Too Dope from the hip hop duo Insane Clown Posse attempted to dropkick Durst during a performance of the song Faith in 2018.
00:10:26
Speaker
Um, yeah. There's footage on YouTube of that. Yeah. Yeah. I wish we had a theme song put in here for like our, you know, the game we just played. Well, it's going to be every week from now on. We're going to have fun. Fred Durst facts. It's a, it's a Wikipedia game and keep scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. How is it possible that Billy Corgan hasn't booked that match though?
00:10:53
Speaker
William Patrick Corgan, is that who you mean? Yes, of course. Because he doesn't have DNA money, baby. I was about to say, I don't think he can afford it. I don't think he can afford it, old William Frederick-ters. I mean, we'll see who they can afford as a guitar player, I know. I hope some of our guitar friends have put their, they say they got 10,000 applications, so I'm excited to hear what they find.
00:11:18
Speaker
I actually thought Wes Borland and Preston Vance were the same person for a long time till the mask came off. Man, that guy's handsome. He really is. It's weird that he was under there. He's just he's a handsome guy. I agree. Handsome, muscly boy. You know, you'd think he's exactly what you think a wrestler looks like, right?
00:11:42
Speaker
Speaking of handsome, muscly boys, you mentioned Okada. Okada's, he's coming to us somewhere. It seems. I mean, somewhere, right? So what do we know? We know for sure he's gone from New Japan, both New Japan and himself have confirmed that. Yep. So it's from what it sounds like he could show up somewhere in like two weeks. We don't know if there's any kind of thing. I personally assume he's going to want some time off.
00:12:10
Speaker
But he could show up somewhere WrestleMania weekend. I think he's booked on a New Japan show somewhere in February. So a little more time, but yeah, he could be. He could be show up anywhere.
Okada's Indie Scene Potential
00:12:25
Speaker
It doesn't seem like it's absolutely clear where he's going. The three names that come up in the Fightful report are AEW, WWE, and of course, TNA. He has a match there on Thursday's show.
00:12:40
Speaker
He does. He was there. Uh, uh, yeah, it was like last weekend or something. They would, they taped some stuff in Vegas. Okay. I guess that must be part of this tape in then that he was just at, but yeah, he's a motor city machine guns and him versus someone moose and a couple other guys. So Meltzer, nobody's reporting the possibility of him going to Poland to reunite with Marty Skirrell. It's an under the radar thing. I don't think Meltzer, you know, that gets past Meltzer. He's not really.
00:13:09
Speaker
Meltzer knows the Tokyo Dome, not so much Poland. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, in reality, obviously Okada in AEW is something that Chris, you and I have talked about before there was an AEW. It is without like, this isn't revisionist history. I'm far more excited for the possibility of Okada in AEW than I was for punk coming back or anything that's ever happened since the birth of it. However, I think it would be fucking amazing if he just did like a year on the Indies.
00:13:39
Speaker
I want to see Okada Jimmy Lloyd. I want to see Okada death matches. I want to see him maybe, I don't know, fight some penis druids. Why not? Those guys can't get a paycheck from the other guy anymore. Give him Okada. It was a good gimmick. Give Okada the penis druids. Okada against Nick Gage is definitely a thing that could happen now that would be terrible, but I want to see it. He can get a good match out of anybody, man.
00:14:09
Speaker
I don't know if I trust Jimmy Lloyd with our Okadas. No, like a package pile driver to Okada from Jimmy Lloyd. I don't know about that. But I don't know. Okada, Okada, an alley catch versus Maki Ito and Nick Gage in a deathmatch with a lot of wood, a lot of wood, maybe some glass, some barbed wire.
00:14:36
Speaker
I just, man, it's really true though. Like I remember going to all in and just being like, fuck, we're going to get to see Okada. Like that was like kind of the most exciting thing. And if you remember, like the only two new Japan guys at all in our Bushi, who is obvious sort of relationship there and Okada, like he goes way back with those guys. And I, I.
00:15:01
Speaker
This is the one, like of all the new Japan guys, even Osprey and those guys, that was the one guy I was like, it'd be pretty fucking cool to see Okada
Ric Flair and Okada Speculation
00:15:09
Speaker
AW. I mean, like pretty much everyone else on that show, except for Okada and Arrow, have like worked at AW Sense, right? Like pretty much. Did Matt Cross, and Matt Cross must have worked at Mantra too. Oh, that's true.
00:15:29
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I was going to say him or maybe, you know, the penis roads or they've been canceled. So everyone has either done a stint at AEW or been canceled. Probably a few people in the battle royal, but let's not putting that aside. And the arrow was flip canceled, though, or did he just.
00:15:49
Speaker
You can't get canceled for thinking the earth is flat. I think when you find out that someone thinks the earth is flat, you assume they also think other things that are wrong.
00:16:02
Speaker
Yeah, and again, I've met Flip. I've talked with Flip, usually been an incredible drunk. He's not a smart guy. So it's like you take that, you take my personal experiences with him. I'm pretty sure he's got some fairly ignorant beliefs, but I'm happy for him to prove me wrong at any time. Yeah. Backs at about 35% brain power in Flip.
00:16:25
Speaker
really met at the right level. Yeah. That's when Brian Cage was never been more disgusted by a human being than when he saw how drunk I was at the New York City WrestleMania weekend penis party at about two in the morning at a hotel in midtown Manhattan. But me and Flip were just simpatico. That's... What did Cage think of you? What happened?
00:16:52
Speaker
So like I was just kind of so so the way it was laid out, right. We had seats like the second row or something like that. Right. But it was like the second row was like on the stage. Yeah. Yeah. It was like the second on the stage. So so and then there were bars, but they were not like they were convenient if you were sitting in the normal seats. But to get to the stage, you had to like go all the way around. So we were all drinking extremely heavily as one does as a penis party.
00:17:21
Speaker
including your friends or no, no, no. So this is just me and my friends that were sitting in our seats. Right. And I think, Chris, you you you left and went to a show. Yeah. I had to do XSW. So I'd had just a couple of drinks and I.
00:17:35
Speaker
abandoned the penis party midway through, which I'm told was one of the great decisions of my life. Yeah, the worst show I've ever been to, even in that level of intoxication. So basically you had to kind of go around and then get drinks and then come all the way back. So as a result, we would kind of go between matches and then like the next match would start and like, I would just like, I really am self-conscious. I really hate making people stand in the middle of things at a concert I'll wait between songs.
00:18:03
Speaker
baseball game between innings, hockey, I'll wait for a whistle, right? So unfortunately wrestling, I'll wait for a whole match. So I load up on drinks as many as I can carry. I'm just sitting there like waiting to go onto the stage area and there's just Flip Gordon. And he's just sitting there watching. And I don't, he was not working that show. So I think it was like he did whatever he was doing that night. Cause the penis party, like it started at like 11 or something.
00:18:29
Speaker
Like it was it was the late show. Right. So I think a lot of wrestlers just start like that who finished their day, finished WrestleCon just came there. So first it's it's flip and flip and I are talking a little bit. Then Brian Cage comes over and he just starts talking to flip and pays me no attention. Right. And then I kind of like interject into their conversation being like, hey, I was talking to flip.
00:18:55
Speaker
talking to him about wrestling, because I have his shirt, I have his shirt or something like that. And then I remember Brian Gage was just eating a large Tupperware container of grilled chicken cut into little cubes that he was just eating with his hands. And he just stopped. He just stops and just looks at me with just complete disgust and revulsion.
00:19:22
Speaker
and then immediately just turns back to Flip and continues what he was doing as though I wasn't even there. And at which point the match ended, so I went back to my seat for like five minutes and then probably got up and get more drinks.
00:19:36
Speaker
Isn't it funny that wrestling shows are the only place where we're okay with like interjected and cutting off a man of that size? Like if it's a bar, you're not doing that. You're leaving that guy alone.
Circle Six King of the Deathmatch Review
00:19:50
Speaker
But because he's an acrobatic actor, you're like, no, I can cut this man off. Well, to be fair, I think two things. I think again, I was incredibly intoxicated. So I can't swear on either of these. And it was also what, like six years ago or something.
00:20:06
Speaker
So one, I think I was like, well, Flip's got my back. I'm interjecting because Flip's going to want to talk about what he and I were talking about. So I'm doing this for Flip. Or two, even in that level of intoxication, there's no way I think Brian Cage would do anything but delete me.
00:20:27
Speaker
So maybe I was like, maybe I could take flip. Like if this turns south, I'll just throw one at flip and then try to run before Brian, and like maybe Brian Cage will like tend to flip or like at least search him to see if he has any chicken. You could have, the other option would be you just knock over the thing of chicken and Brian Cage would be like, no. And he's like, you run away as you, as he's picking up the chicken. Yeah.
00:20:54
Speaker
Could've been up. Which would've been preferable to watching the rest of that show probably.
00:21:10
Speaker
Even the big Valbowski himself showing up for the finale couldn't because, you know, Chris, you and I have seen a lot of Royal Rumble knockoffs and usually they're very bad. They are. It's one of the things I hate most is when I'm going to a show and then they announce they're doing some kind of Royal Rumble knockoff. But this was, I assure you, the worst of all time by a great, great deal of magnitude.
00:21:39
Speaker
Yeah. Part of the thing about the penis party was that they involved a lot of people who you're like, Oh man, I get to see that person, but then somehow use them in the worst possible way. And it was so long. Ultimo dragon was there and it was terrible. And all sorts of people were on that show doing the absolute worst possible things they've ever done. There was also an incredibly long Tracy Smothers decided to get cheap heat for a match with Sue young.
00:22:08
Speaker
That lasted forever and Tracy's mothers would have had a lot of heat in not New York City and not 2019.
00:22:16
Speaker
But it was rough. It was a bad heat. It was like a solid 15 minutes of Tracy's mother's making really saying really awful things that just did not. And like if it wasn't getting the crowd against him enough or whatever reaction he was trying to solicit in the first 11 minutes, why did it go the next five with no changes to the script?
00:22:39
Speaker
You're describing I mean, the last time I saw Tracy Smothers was at a GCW show here in Nashville. He did the exact same thing. I believe there's a lot of slurs.
Pagano's Botch and Praise
00:22:51
Speaker
And it got to the point where everybody was just a little uncomfortable, which I guess that's the character. Yeah, but it's it's I think he's definitely taken like the stone cold advice of just turn yourself up to 11 on that one.
00:23:07
Speaker
It's a lot of incest talk, too, if I remember correctly. Mm-hmm, sounds right. Oh, Tim Thatcher against David Arquette, that was a thing that happened. Mm, yep. Oh, god. Well, let's, okay, penis party was not good. Chris. But if Okada did a penis party, it would be exceptional. Yes. Yeah.
00:23:29
Speaker
Absolutely. And honestly, wherever Okada ends up, I think we're all kind of excited. I mean, obviously, if he ends up in AEW, the amount of matches we could see him have that are fresh, fun match-ups are insane. I'm just curious, what's your Okada dream, other than obviously, let's run back Okada and Kenny? Oh. Oh. Wait, who'd you say? WrestleMania, Okada Logan Paul.
00:23:59
Speaker
Yeah, that's kind of interesting. See, I definitely want him most in AEW because he'll actually wrestle more often and have enough time for his matches. That would be my one fear if he goes to WWE. So I will say this. I've I go in and I've been going in and out of interest on AEW like I'm watching the show and stuff like that, but my interest definitely has been wanes up and down.
00:24:22
Speaker
That said, any show Okada has an advertised match in, I am 100% pumped for forever. And then Ditto, I have not been a subscriber to Peacock in a while. He goes to WWE, I'm popping my Peacock cherry again. They didn't get me for that NFL game that everyone hated that was on Peacock, but they'll get me for Okada. He shows up WrestleMania, I'm going to that night.
00:24:49
Speaker
It's him beating the shit out of Cody, and that's Cody's WrestleMania moment this year. They're pretty great. Yeah, still better than last year. Can I also ask this, speaking as a current New Japan subscriber, should I be? No.
00:25:11
Speaker
They just got me back for the first time in years. Like I'm giving them my money right now. And you're right. They took like the last thing I gave a shit about. So let me let me throw this out. I don't even think this is a hot take. I think the New Japan Strong US shows are better than the New Japan Japanese shows. Right. Yeah.
AJ Gray and New Japan Roster Gaps
00:25:36
Speaker
Like what are you excited about in the Japan show that's better than Tom Lawler?
00:25:41
Speaker
You know, like that's the bar. They don't pass the the Lawler Doza line. Yeah. And ZSJ showing up in the U.S. for those shows. And like literally legitimately at this point, I was looking at the cards for the next couple of weeks and it's basically like Zack Sabre Jr. And that's about it in terms of my interests. Yeah, basically a New Japan World subscription at this point is ZSJ's only fans. That's he just charges in yen.
00:26:12
Speaker
Are we mad at Jungle Boy? No, who cares? Wait, why should we be mad at Jungle Boy? I don't know, because the internet, the people who write on Facebook don't like him.
00:26:28
Speaker
He showed up at the New Japan show, right? Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. But what I'm saying is like, is that what they're mad about or are they mad about him as a person? Are they mad that he is he like, he quit it? Like, what exactly? I mean, because to me, it feels like I saw that coverage, but I didn't. I just thought playing out like a wrestling angle on the Internet, which is, I think, the intent.
00:26:53
Speaker
Do people just not like him because he's not super great on the mic? Or is it a punk thing, right? Is it just one of those things that, yeah, it's just that for whatever reason, if you like seeing punk, you have to dislike Jungle Boy, which means there's probably a whole lot of people you need to dislike. Oh, I mean, that's, well, that's the weird thing is like, I'm kind of curious like what things are like. And part of me feels like if you're, if the punk people are really dug in an AEW,
00:27:23
Speaker
or anyone's dug in, let them go. I don't know. Someone's upset because CM Punk left. Let them go. You guys get Okada. They can fill as much time as they need on any TV show with Kazuchiko Okada. I would love to just see him playing a game of chess against Claudio Castagnoli. I would want you could be the whole two hour show. I'll stay for picture and picture all of it. Yeah.
00:27:49
Speaker
Get mad at that little Caesars commercial because you can't see all of it. You just make them know they told him that it's on picture in picture and to hold. I'll watch every rampage if he shows up wearing Nick Jackson's gear. I mean, you put Okada is the collision guy and then get me to tune in on Saturday nights. See, that's a way to sell collision, right? You're like, look, every week.
00:28:14
Speaker
Okada wrestles for 35 minutes as the main event. And you're like, sold. Done deal. And then you say, but but if you don't watch Dynamite 2, we're going to move Jay White back to collision and we're going to we're going to give you that program again. I know you like Jay White now for some reason, but you're going to hate him when he's against Okada again. And that's how we're using Okada for three months in a row. The ghetto principle, the ghetto principle.
00:28:42
Speaker
Yeah, I'm, I don't know. I feel bad. I love New Japan so much, but yeah, there's nothing fucking happening. I might hold out for the New Japan Cup. That might be my last shot at this, but man, and even that, I don't know. Man, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I'm confident they'll get their shit together at some point,
Ric Flair's Woo Energy and Humor
00:29:03
Speaker
right? Sometimes you need things like this to happen, unfortunately, to like really give the wake up call.
00:29:10
Speaker
And hopefully they can also raise 10. She's not the solution. He's too fucking old. Right. Which I think they get. They're not really putting him in real main events anymore. But, you know, again, you go back to when they had a bunch of people leave, you know, what was that like 70 years ago? Probably give or take. And then that spurred one of their great runs. So again, you just got to hope. I would say I think it's going to be
00:29:38
Speaker
You're just donating to ghetto for a little while. But, but I do think, I do think that they'll, they'll figure something out and they're going to have to create some new intrigue. Tai Chi main event. That's all I say. Tai Chi world champion.
00:29:53
Speaker
I mean, or Despy in a deathmatch, give him the world title, make it a deathmatch thing, just go real different, right? That's one of the other things with New Japan, there's been these eras, right? That why not the deathmatch era? They've kind of did a little bit of dancing in that in the past, but let's go all in. Hey, so Garrett, so I know one of your favorite things in all of current wrestling is Sting.
00:30:23
Speaker
And we all we all enjoy Sting showing up late to things, missing tables. But did you notice not this week's, but last week's dynamite, the one in Jacksonville. Sting was in the main event. Ric Flair was featured very prominently. Yeah. I don't know if he took his energy. Did you notice how long it took for him to get out of the ring? I know the match.
00:30:50
Speaker
during the match that was still in progress on live television. He was basically centering that ring to where there was no way for like you couldn't avoid trying to cut to different places and they just couldn't not have just the back of Ric Flair's ass. Yeah, that was that was something that was I think he did. Did he not have stairs? Where did?
00:31:19
Speaker
What did he insist? Because it looked like he was just slow to get over the ropes, but then he kind of knew what he was doing. He grabbed the ropes, did the kneel down that every manager does and then just hung out there like you're just like, nope, this isn't going to work. How did this man wrestle a match less than a year ago? Well, he had a mini heart attack as he started climbing through those ropes and just had to had to wait it out. That's true. It's a third one that week.
00:31:45
Speaker
Although I do got to say if they're trying to build up Sting for the main event of the next pay-per-view, Sting has never looked more spry than after Rick Flair needed six and a half minutes and two commercial breaks to go five feet down. You know, here's the real Okada dream match we could get in AEW. Okada and the Nature Boy. Come on, guys.
00:32:11
Speaker
He can do this. Flair can definitely, because Okada likes to use that risk control. So he can pull Flair up when he needs to. Well, it would be phenomenal because you know Okada's got to be a perfectionist, right? He's just got to be. And he's got to really study it. So he's got to be like, okay, people say Ricky the Dragon's one of the greatest of all time. He had the greatest matches of all time with Ric Flair. Well, that was Ric Flair at like 37. Anybody could do that.
00:32:37
Speaker
I'm gonna have 73 year old Ric Flair and I'm gonna do matches just as good as Steamboat.
00:32:43
Speaker
He hits the rainmaker on him. He's going to cut through him like he's paper. Like it is going to be, it's going to be gross. It's going to be like when, when you take up, it's like November 13th and you're like, Oh God, the pumpkin still here. And you pick it up and it just slips out of your hand because it's so slimy and it just immediately explodes into pumpkin slime. There's no solid matter left. It looked like a solid pumpkin, but the second you touched it, it just melted.
00:33:13
Speaker
That'll be Ric Flair on a Rainmaker. Omega comes back from diverticulitis and he's like, fuck. Okada got six and a half stars. I'm getting seven out of flair. And he wrestles the goo puddle that's left. Conrad sponsors it. They start making blue goo from the blue chew people. Blue goo energy.
00:33:45
Speaker
Well, and yeah, once the goo can't sell anymore, uh, then you just, you, you just literally sell those little bits of Rick. Right. Just pill form them, you know, put them whatever's left, right? Yeah. Every last cent. Like what they do when they cut up, they cut up like the canvas at like WrestleMania and like put it in trading cards or whatever, whatever
Logan Paul's WWE Future
00:34:08
Speaker
they do with that. They just do that with the pieces of the dried Rick flair goo.
00:34:14
Speaker
It's gonna be like Ghostbusters 2 when you get angry and the goo starts to bubble and move and make shit. But what could you do if it senses that you're drinking around it? If you're windmilling your penis around, the goo starts to grow. Instead of getting more powerful with anger or whatever it was in Ghostbusters, it just gets more powerful with bad decisions.
00:34:43
Speaker
It's just like, you're just on eBay way late at night when your wife's asleep. It just starts shaking. There's a bad decision happening. It just overhears like, you know what, honey? I think a baby could save this marriage. It just starts hanging out at like car dealerships where it's just like, well,
00:35:11
Speaker
You say I can get it with almost no cash down? That sounds reasonable. I have no cash down. Go ahead and throw on that extra rust coating or whatever you said it was. Sure. Sir, so for the application for your BMW SUV, can you give me your place of employment again? Well, most recently it was the Waffle House, but we had a bit of a difference. Right now it's nowhere. Yeah, we had a difference.
00:35:41
Speaker
Why is this goo just trying to phone me in the ear? I'm trying to get into streaming. I think I'm gonna stream, be one of those YouTubers. They make good money, so I figure we'll be fine. The goo. To get away from the goo for a minute and go to a different kind of goo. Blood, my favorite goo. Chris and I last week- My second favorite, my second favorite.
00:36:08
Speaker
What's your first? Oh, Jizz, Jizz. Oh, Jizz, where does Rick fall? Well, I kind of associate him with Jizz if I'm being real. If I'm being one honey with you, I do kind of consider them the same thing. I do think the Rick-Clare-Goo is going to be mostly Jizz. Bare. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:28
Speaker
I guess I only pictured him blue because of the branding of his. Right. Right. Motor pill. But no, we watched and we were going to talk about this last week. We didn't the Circle Six King of the Deathmatch. And Chris and we both watched it beginning to end, right? Like we didn't. Yeah. You saw the whole show. I mean, to be clear, to be clear, we skipped a lot of much of the space between the matches is a five hour and 38 minute show, but it's really about a two hour and 45 minute show.
00:36:58
Speaker
unless you deeply enjoy Casanova Valentine and Kevin Gill killing time. They were basically like radio DJs just like, Oh, are we going to commercial? No, we got a song. No, we don't have a song. All right, guys. Let's, uh, let's talk about what we just saw. Let's, uh, we just riff. Let's talk about death matches and what's going on.
00:37:20
Speaker
You say it was five and a half hour show. I'm looking at the match time. The longest match was more than double the majority of the matches and it was a non-tournament match. It was the longest in 22 minutes and it was a Matt Justice versus Homicide.
00:37:40
Speaker
but everything else other than that, I don't know, where do we even start with this thing? By the way, I want to know why that was not in the death match. I have a feeling it was like Matt Justice's wife made him see a CTE specialist and she got him to agree to not do the death match tournament. And he's like, no, it's fine. I'm going, but don't worry. I'm just having a normal match. And he never mentions, oh, it's a death match against homicide.
00:38:07
Speaker
but it was only one match and not three. It was only one, so yeah. He didn't lie this time. Just speaking of CTE, the show did open with a match called a Blunt Force Trauma Deathmatch, which was disgusting. That's not an okay name for this. It was nine minutes and 58 seconds of just headshots. And this was not part of the tournament?
00:38:36
Speaker
No, this was. This was, okay. This was the opening match. And these are like old like 1998 ECW headshots? Yes. Oh, that's not okay. That's just not okay. No, no. The next death match is Otis Kogar against AJ Gray in a rematch, but now it's just about reading. They just have to read a book. Chris, did that make you feel icky that we paid money for that? Like was that?
00:39:04
Speaker
Well, I've seen Otis had done one of those at the last, the sickest of the six or whatever they called the one that was all out weekend. Um, so yeah, I know that Otis, this is his thing. Um, and, uh, I just accept it. You know, it's what he needs and what he wants in his life and, uh, no one's forcing him to do it. So, you know, people do worse things to themselves, I
XPW Events and Magga Butcher Story
00:39:30
Speaker
Sure, but everything you just said is also applicable to Chris Benoit's flying headbutt. That's the problem. I hope Otis isn't married. I hope no one related to Kevin Sullivan ever goes near them. Correct. Before we go through any of the others, I will say the production quality on this deathmatch show was crazy. It was great. And where was it? Where was it exactly?
00:40:01
Speaker
The Don Quixote Theater in Los Angeles. Not where I was thinking it was going to be at all.
00:40:09
Speaker
Yeah, it was a nice room. They had these great screens behind it. So everybody had really good entrances. I don't know, it looked like money was put into the show, like the quality of the cameras, commentary, which I thought this was kind of interesting. So they had, KG had commented on them not wanting him to curse. So him and Casanova Valentine kept a checklist of how many times they said the word fuck.
00:40:37
Speaker
And I think by the end of the five hours, it was like four times. Which is kind of incredible that like considering how much time they had to kill. I don't know, Chris, what were some of your highlights from this show? I liked what was the guy? Eric Priest. So Adam, Adam, Adam Priest. OK, sorry. Tapped out to avoid
00:41:06
Speaker
Like getting thrown into tubes, which is such a beautiful heel deathmatch move. And then the baby face, of course, is like, I got to toss this guy into the tubes after the match. And then priest turns it around and you're like, that's a perfect little deathmatch heel. He'll move. I quite enjoyed that. Um, that was one of my favorite bits of the first round. So I got a, just a real basic question. So why is Casanova Valentine on commentary? Like he's not that old. Is he hurt or something? Like.
00:41:35
Speaker
Is he not wrestling and I wasn't aware? He still does circle six. Honestly, it could have just been like, maybe he doesn't want to go three rounds anymore, you know, or do multiple rounds of this shit because honestly, this show was pretty fucking gnarly. Like this show is what GCW was when I started doing this podcast.
00:41:58
Speaker
Like it got, it got gross. Like, I don't remember if we showed this on the air to you at one point. Did you look up and we showed you what AJ Gray's back looked like after the end of this show. I mean, all of that happens in the final match. Like, I mean, it was- No, I think a lot of that happens for AJ in his semi-final too. Cause his semi-final was a Taipei death match with Dale Patrick's where they do a lot of glass stuff.
00:42:28
Speaker
like a lot of glass stuff. But I mean, it's hard to top how much glass they did in that main event. Basically, the main event ends up being AJ Gray versus Bobby Beverly versus Atticus. So over half the match is just two guys wailing on AJ Gray with glass. And the last spot that AJ Gray does, there's no way he got paid enough for it to be worth it.
00:42:58
Speaker
he took a double team superplex off the top of the ladder through an amount of tubes that was not nearly enough to break a fall. Onto concrete. Onto concrete. Yes. Not into the ring. At that point though, they pulled up the stuff on the ring. So the ring would have been just boards anyway. So, um, it was also interesting cause normally in a three way where there's like two guys on one team and one guy is the underdog babyface, the underdog babyface overcomes.
00:43:25
Speaker
Um, instead the two guys just beat the shit out of him and he lost. Well, so it sounds to me like AJ Gray would be happier in new Japan going against Despy and main events. That's what I mean. Cause then he's got to do one match a night. Honestly, there's some openings at the top of the card in new Japan. Yeah. AJ versus Ishi. Like there's some hard hitting shit that AJ Gray would love to do. There's a lot of like deathmatch guys that that would be a joke, but like AJ actually
00:43:54
Speaker
could work New Japan and just sprinkle, he could do Despy Duty, right? Just sprinkle in the occasional hardcore death match. And then I would be fine with the vanilla AJ grade doing a run in New Japan.
00:44:08
Speaker
He is hard hitting enough that his style would fit over there. Whether they would want him, who knows? When he has a pretty like versatile skill set too. Yeah. Right. So like he can kind of like, it's weird, like we obviously know him best currently for this stuff, but like he kind of can work with anyone. When I first started seeing him, it was at Southern Underground Pro and he was just doing
00:44:36
Speaker
normal wrestling matches. I mean, it wasn't really, I'm even trying to remember how, when he ended up in GCW. Cause it wasn't death matches at first. He was there doing regular wrestling. And even in GC, yeah, GCW, even in the modern few years, he's had plenty of fairly normal matches. Now, what was your favorite part of the night here?
00:45:01
Speaker
My favorite part of the night, no questions. As like her hands down with Atticus Kogar versus a Pagano, a Mexican clown. At first, I couldn't think of what his name was. And I was thinking it was Pagliacci. And I thought it was like your your opera cousin. Isn't Pagano one of the ones with like the numbers? He's like Pagano. It's not. I know that it's really, you know, but isn't Pagano also numbered?
00:45:31
Speaker
no more than junior he's pegato four or something no i don't think so well his jacket said 666 is that oh maybe maybe that's it but there is a spot in this facts like this was i mean i know this happened in 2023 but this is up there with how hard i laughed
00:45:54
Speaker
watching Sting uh get squished in that match or in the in either Sting spot so
00:46:03
Speaker
Adicus is on the outside of the ring. Pagano runs the ropes, does a front flip over the top rope. Adicus ain't there. Pagano goes ass first onto concrete. It's the language gap? Well, the problem was Adicus was three feet too far to the right.
00:46:27
Speaker
And he just, or he mistimed where he was supposed to be. I don't know whose fault it is, but he went ass first into concrete, doing a flip over the top rope. You have never seen this expression on a clown's face before, Fax. This guy, like he was distraught. His ass hurt. Like, but he wasn't selling it like a wrestling injury. Like he like looked more- It was more like a kid on the school ground that fell off the monkey bars.
00:46:58
Speaker
It's so concert. And Kevin Gill is just like, I don't think he got all of that. Poor bastard, they replayed it like nine times throughout the night. And the match was close over. Basically, the guy is having to wrestle the match with a broke ass.
00:47:25
Speaker
and he's painted like a clown wearing all this like demonic sex sex sex shit and you can just see in his face that his head is broken fuck
00:47:47
Speaker
Well, I've celebrated I don't I haven't seen a ton of Pagano matches, but I do know about his series with again, I don't know how it's pronounced. It's chess man. I don't know if it's actually chess man. I think it's chess man. Is it chess man? He's he's a serious. I think they did triple mania. Right. I think Pagano's Tripoli. I get him in psycho clown or so similar. It's like I feel like they both swap at the same time as who's in who's in AAA and who's in.
00:48:15
Speaker
the other one, CMLL. But I do remember some of those matches with Chess Men being good. I think one of them, no, I think it was Triple A, because I think it's one of the ones I saw in VR, along with the ladies big ass. Oh, and this is the same guy, this isn't like Psycho Clown, this is Pagano?
00:48:39
Speaker
Yeah, again, if he's not numbered, I think it's the same, because he doesn't wear a mask, right? Pagano's the one that doesn't wear a mask. He doesn't, he just paints his face. Yeah, so I mean, I know his face is painted, but I mean, I think he's gotta be the same guy. The only number is Pagano, and then how many different fractures does his tailbone have? Right. God, that guy broke his pants. Pagano's 17.
00:49:10
Speaker
He left that match shorter. It sucks, it sucks. And the only other time I've seen something like that, I mean the exact same spot where I laughed that hard was at Ebola and it was PCO versus Brody. And the exact same spot happened and PCO was just too far to the side. Brody hit the ground so goddamn hard on his ass that the whole, we felt the room shake.
00:49:40
Speaker
And I heard him later, like a week or two later on Colt Cabana's podcast, talking about breaking his ass at Bola and having to like sit on a donut on the flight home. Well, that's what I was thinking is like, now imagine poor Pagano. He's, he's laying in the back of the car on his belly, ass up with the donut on his ass cause he rolls over. And then they're driving down the 101.
00:50:04
Speaker
to get to the Mexican border and then like the border patrol agents, you know, they don't really check that closely when you're in from the U.S.
Mania Weekend Plans
00:50:11
Speaker
side back to Mexico, but you know, they stop that one. And they're like, so what were you getting into? Well, you hurt your ass, I see. Looks like you have a broken clown in the back. Yeah. Looks like you got one of them pretty boy, one of them pretty boy Mexican clowns. Whatever that boy's ass. Hmm.
00:50:37
Speaker
Oh, he just the look on that man's face. Like, it's not it's not a life threatening injury. So I feel like it's a little more OK to laugh at it. But it's just like. I mean, that face, you've never seen a clown look so concerned. So I did I did because I'm the only one that's allowed to use Wikipedia on this show. I did just check it. It does appear he has been the same Pagano. There is no number.
00:51:05
Speaker
It's been the same guy, and he's actually younger than I thought. He's not young. He's only 37. I would have guessed, with my admittedly very incomplete knowledge of Mexican wrestling, I would have thought he's been around way longer than that. But again, I confused him in Psycho Clan, who he apparently had his biggest feud ever with, according to Wikipedia. That makes sense. That does, that does. But yeah, overall,
00:51:37
Speaker
If there was one match, not just the stuff in between, if there was one match I should have skipped when I watched the show, what would that be? The one that you should not watch at all. Which is what? The CTE one?
00:51:54
Speaker
Um, I guess I would skip the, the Matt justice homicide just because it's not part of the tournament and it's not a death match. It's just kind of a 22 minute hardcore match in the middle of a death match show. Oh, that's even weird to make it a hardcore match. Cause then it's just like a little death match. It's a title match. Yeah, it's enjoyable, but it just doesn't, you're right. It's kind of long in the context of.
00:52:20
Speaker
of any of it. Is it like, like right after like the last semi before the main event, like someone needed a rest? Like? No, well, so what happens is it's actually after the first round. And then they do that, then they do the three semis. And then they take 45 minutes to try to attempt to build the structure for the final one. But then they fail and they just start the match.
00:52:44
Speaker
Like they showed you pictures of it's like an ultra violent, like house of torture or something, and they just didn't finish. And they were just like, we gotta go, we gotta do this match. Keep that forwarding and you're like, oh my God, it's another five minutes and Casanova and Kevin Gill are still talking. Which Casanova on commentary loved. Loved, get him and Veda Scott on a show. That's my new favorite commentary team.
00:53:11
Speaker
So this is what we're going to do. We're going to need to get those two on commentary. We're going to get Okada. We're going to do a show at American Cheeseburger and he's going to beat the shit out of Dilt Boy and it'll be the greatest match of all time. Oh man, Okada gets Dilt Boy is incredible. At American Cheeseburger in Buffalo, New York. That's, that's incredibly important to this. I don't know if there's enough room for a Rainmaker in American Cheeseburger.
00:53:37
Speaker
He'll find a way. Delphoy is very tiny. So even if Ocada takes up most of the room, Delphoy is petite. It'll be fine. Like, can you picture the translator trying to explain to Ocada why we don't like Delphoy and to really lay an end to him? I just also want to be like, and I'm not going to do the accent because I'm sure it'll be super offensive. I'm not going to try to speak gibberish Japanese, but just him speaking a long line of dialogue that just ends in dupe boy.
00:54:07
Speaker
Like that just would amuse me. What do you think that would give that? And why is it, why is it three and a half? It's definitely three and a half. I think it's three and a half because he'll say the whole burger cheeseburger gimmick never paid off. Right. It's the cheeseburger of Damocles, but it never fell.
00:54:30
Speaker
Um, but he would probably say, uh, Ocada's cardio wasn't as good, but he's excellent as always. He would probably also confuse DILF boy with some other indie worker from the Northeast that he's not familiar with. Do they still have, do we know if they run anything else out of American cheeseburger? We haven't really been following. What does that company called anyway? I forgot. Yeah. So I was going to say it's the new XPW.
00:54:58
Speaker
Yeah, we kind of fell off from them for a while, which I'm sure our listeners are happy about, but they don't have to hear what's going on at XPW anymore. Well, they're going to want to know when we're the first people to break the news of, Oh, Ocada has actually been there for weeks doing videos. Just nobody's noticed until we do. We break it. He's actually, he's working the counter at the porn store next door or whatever.
00:55:24
Speaker
He didn't know there was wrestling. He just actually retired from wrestling to work at a porn store in Buffalo, New York. So they have not done a show there since since last year and early last year. So it's been a while before the incident. I believe so.
00:55:44
Speaker
Yeah, MAGA Butcher against Dilfoy is the last main event. Although I do see they are coming back to Newark, New Jersey in late February. February 24th. Yeah. Yeah. Now, the problem is, though, every time we've looked, the tickets have been stupid expensive. I mean, just stupid. Let's see. They did a show called Merry Christmas. They did a show called Merry Christmas in California in December, which is just a great name. Oh, yes. Merry Christmas.
00:56:13
Speaker
$65 for a seat, 40 for GA. Just GA seating is $65. No, no, so there is no GA seating. You get an assigned seat, okay. It's an assigned seat for, oh no, there's GA balcony that's 50. So that's where you wanna be anyway. Yeah, but 50, and that's before fees.
00:56:40
Speaker
Although they say fees only $1.50 printed print at home in 2024 were printing things.
00:56:48
Speaker
Well, I mean, hey, you would assume that a price tag like that means that that Drake Younger gets some, you know, some some eating money afterwards. I don't know. They got they got a show in late January here in Houston and like they're advertising MAGA Butcher, Tessa Blanchard, Schlack. They don't have anybody advertised for this show. I don't know. That's that's a tough for me to get 50 bucks for me for no Schlack advertised.
00:57:16
Speaker
The last Newark show though, has a 25 minute mega butcher match against someone named Chuck Stein. That is 27 minutes too long. I guess we'll keep, we'll keep an eye out facts. Cause cause you live close enough, right? I mean, it's obviously not far. So if they announce something, that's very exciting. We can consider this.
00:57:39
Speaker
I don't remember if I told you guys this. A friend of the show, a rat, that he was the one that I sat with at the Rick Flair show. He was over in Japan for like the last couple weeks for, you know, Wrestle Kingdom and then just hanging out. And he went to, I believe it was a freedom show at Corikin, and fucking Magga Butcher wrestled at it. And he said that they were, he sent me pictures.
00:58:08
Speaker
He said that there was this Japanese father who had a little girl with him, who he had clearly given the little girl to get a t-shirt or something. And he turned around for a minute. And he said the second the dad turned around, that little girl went and bought a MAGA Butcher t-shirt. Somewhere there is a little girl in Tokyo with a MAGA Butcher t-shirt. Love it. That's beautiful.
00:58:37
Speaker
This world is so divided sometimes, but sometimes professional wrestling brings us together. I feel like this is the beginning of a great indie movie. It's this little girl. There's a Shake Shack right there by the Tokyo Dome. For the first time, her dad took her to Shake Shack before the wrestling show. It's the greatest cheeseburger she's ever had. Then she saw MAGA Butcher. Dad's a wrestling fan. She just had to go because there was no one to watch her.
00:59:06
Speaker
But then she saw Magga Butcher. Dad let her buy a shirt and she just remembers all. America Cheeseburgers. Magga Butcher. And then now she's like 17. It's like many years, like a decade later, and she's going to the United States for the first time before she starts her freshman year at college on a journey to- Basically the movie of past lives, but with- Her journey takes her to Buffalo, New York, to American Cheeseburger.
00:59:36
Speaker
to find Maga Butcher, who's working in a porn store. Fred Durst maybe will produce it for me. Of course he would. That sounds like a perfect movie for Fred Durst to direct. You know who knows the sensibilities of a seven-year-old Japanese girl? William Frederick Durst. Builders. I will say, guys, it's going to be... Look, there's going to be a lot of stuff happening the weekend of...
01:00:02
Speaker
of WrestleMania. But one thing that is happening that appears to be involving XPW is something called eat the turnbuckle, the final battle Royal bloodbath at an eating competition and it's Slack versus, uh, versus a fuck. I don't know, Jeff Cannonball and they're like actually eating the whole turnbuckle.
01:00:26
Speaker
It's like when that guy broke the Guinness Book World. If you're doing an eating contest in a wrestling arena in Philly, Tommy Dreamer's involved. You better believe it. Tommy Dreamer's eaten many, many different things that could be described as turnbuckles, and none of them were like George the Animal Steel literal ones. Where's this at, Chris? It's at Underground Arts in Philly. Who's there? Is there a talent announced? Mostly I think bands are announced.
01:00:55
Speaker
There's a reference to fang and anti-seem and ground. There is a blurry picture of Maga Butcher, so I assume he's gonna be there. Rob Black's just doing a live podcast. Slack will be at the Heart Ballroom, in fact. I'm checking, I was checking that now. Slack will be there. That's the Newark venue? Yeah, Asville Homeless Jimmy. Oh, perfect. We're two for two. Jimmy Lloyd and...
01:01:25
Speaker
No, there's another guy named Homeless Jimmy. Oh, it's just a clever name. It's good, because Jimmy Lloyd, that's a little too close to where I live. Jimmy Lloyd, I would be worried would follow me home, but Homeless Jimmy's probably harmless. Low Life Louie's gonna be there, who you almost saw get murdered by Nick Gage. I haven't seen him since that very day. Yeah. That was, I didn't know he returned to wrestling after that, quite frankly.
01:01:50
Speaker
He survived, he survived.
Richard Kind Tangent and Ending Banter
01:01:53
Speaker
I do remember looking up that he survived, but I have not heard his name mentioned in the context of professional wrestling since. So I was looking up anti-scene because that name was familiar to me and they used to be Gigi Allen's backing band at one time when he wasn't with the murder junkies. And as I'm scrolling through their Wikipedia page, keep scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, anti-scene,
01:02:20
Speaker
is a band that has written lyrics expressing their appreciation for professional wrestling by making musical tributes to various wrestlers including Cactus Jack, Sabu, Terry Funk, and Abdullah the Butcher.
01:02:39
Speaker
Um, I, I'm looking through to make sure that there, I mean, if you're associated with Gigi Allen, I just want to make sure there isn't any, uh, anything weird that I'm promoting before, before we put this podcast out. Yeah. I mean, there's generally two types of things on mania weekend, and I think we're going to be doing at least some of both. Right. You have certain things that are just crowded and you need to figure out
01:03:06
Speaker
Which thing is the best thing to do in this time slot? And it's about prioritization, right? I can't be in two places at once. And then there's certain things which this thing might fit into, which is just, that seems really weird and interesting. This is the only place on earth and the only weekend on earth. I might be able to see it. Let me just, it's probably not going to sell out, but let me just throw a ticket because it's probably cheap.
01:03:29
Speaker
And then it'll be a game time decision. But like that's it. I could tell you right now that's going to be my media weekend strategy is just there's going to be certain things like hardwired, you know, in red ink on my calendar. And then there's going to be a lot of we'll see where the wins take me. Here's my media weekend strategy. Woo energy. I'm excited to not try a brown one.
01:03:56
Speaker
Woo energy, both Chris's mania strategy and his wife's divorce lawyer strategy. I shouldn't joke about such things. As far as death matches go, I did want to throw one other match out there that I was...
01:04:17
Speaker
grossed out by. I did watch most of the Nick Gage Invitational that took place at the exact same time as the death match, the king of the death match. How far into was it? It was a couple matches in. So both, maybe it was a second round. Miedo Extremo and Violinto Jack. There was a point in that match where Miedo Extremo curb stomped Violinto Jack into a skewer board.
01:04:48
Speaker
And seeing a man go face first into a board of just hundreds of skewers. Yucky. Don't like it. Dangerous for the eyes. He even got a hand up. Maybe that's even worse. I don't know. Hated it. I mean, I don't think it's worse than in your eyes.
01:05:06
Speaker
Cause eyelids, I don't know how, I don't know how there's not more people walking around without eyes. You ever touch your eyelid? That's not, it's real thin. There's not a lot of protection there. And I wear contact lenses, so I touch my eye just a little bit, but again, my contacts, it's like, it hurts. I'm surprised many of us can see. This becomes facts doing like Jim Gaffigan or Brian Regan material. Who's like, do you ever wonder how there's not more people walking around without eyes?
01:05:36
Speaker
Oh my God, speaking, I don't know if either of you are gonna give a shit about this. I hope not, with an intro like that. Fuck, fuck, why can't, oh my God, I have to cut it, because I forgot the guy's name. Fuck, why can't I think of this guy's name? Is this like something related to comedy that Jeff Gaffigan kind of brought it up? It's a character actor in an eye patch.
01:06:02
Speaker
Like he actually is an eye patch in real life. Brian Danielson. No, it's a guy that's in a bunch of comedy movies that there's a podcast I listen to that they ref. I'm just going to cut all this out and just tell you they reference him all the time in the podcast. And I think it's funny because it's just a random person to bring up.
01:06:21
Speaker
The other day, my friends that live in Burbank took their baby for a walk and they were walking by their neighbor's house. And the neighbor like happened to be like halfway out the front door and was like, oh, hi. And like, hey. And then as they said, hey, that actor came out from behind their neighbor out of the house wearing an eye patch. This like guy that I reference all the time that for some reason, I just can't get his fucking the guy in the eye patch is fucking the neighbor.
01:06:51
Speaker
That's what I'm getting out of this. Probably. Yeah, I mean, that's why you're there in the morning. This was dynamite. This was gold. Well, but I can't think of the goddamn name. It's funny or went back. Well, you know, we already had to edit one thing. Yeah. Yes. I'm like, what can I even man? Oh, it's on the tip of my fucking tongue. Go back into a movie. I can picture his face, but I can't think of a goddamn show.
01:07:21
Speaker
or movie, anything. All right. Sorry about that, guys. Waste of time. So, yeah. So speaking of Mania Weekend, again, it's not that far away. It's like two months away, a little over two months away. Do we have any idea what's on the Mania card yet? Oh, that's Richard Kind. I know Richard Kind. Of course. Eyepatch now. Oh, OK.
01:07:50
Speaker
Sorry, continue. We have a friend, one of my friend's best friends from college, we always would make fun of him and say he looks like Richard Kind. And this is when we were in college. And now, you know, he's at his 40s, he kind of actually does look like Richard Kind. Anyway, yeah, mania.
01:08:10
Speaker
WrestleMania, WWE is WrestleMania. Do we have any idea what's on the card? I know there's a couple of things that seem like they're swirling around, but is there even a single match actually announced? No. Because we still have a elimination chamber in Royal Rumble. And Royal Rumble's in like a couple of weeks. People have started pointing at the, well, is it a Liberty Bell? It was a star? Like, what are they pointing at on the banner? I'm assuming Liberty Bell. I think Cody's pointed.
01:08:37
Speaker
Sure. Cody's probably pointed. He's got to finish his story. Got to finish the story. Not this you pal. Probably not. By getting super kicked by Okada.
01:08:46
Speaker
So it seems like where was, it's either an elimination chamber or I guess the rumble that we're getting Kevin Owens versus Logan Paul, which to me, like, ooh, run that again, make that a mania match. Let those guys do something fucking, like let them do a hell in a cell or something crazy. Those two I think would have fallen. No, I've already fantasy booked Logan Paul at mania. It's Logan Paul and CM Punk in an actual MMA fight.
01:09:16
Speaker
That's what I want to see. Because I love this is a pro Logan Paul podcast. We all love Logan Paul. We've got some issues with punk. If I can just see Logan Paul in real life just beat the shit out of him. I think I think I'm good. I'll bury the hatchet. I can go back to liking CM Punk again. I just feel like and then maybe he has to hold him down while Colt Cabana punches him once too. But then I'll be good with CM Punk again.
01:09:40
Speaker
That would be the best thing is if Logan Paul comes out and there's like, just like he comes out with a thing of prime, like someone in a costume, and then the prime takes the thing off and it's called Cabana. In all seriousness, how?
01:09:59
Speaker
How emasculating is that if you're in the WWE locker room around Logan Paul, you know he's richer than you. You know he's more famous than you. But you're just like, oh, he's just some celebrity they got. He's YouTube or whatever, but he's just a celebrity. But no, no, it turns out he's a better wrestler than you. Oh, wait. And he can actually kick your ass in real life too. You can't talk shit about him. You know?
01:10:22
Speaker
What, you can't take anything from him. He's an idiot, maybe. He seems like one to me, but like, he's just, life's big winner. He's the one. He's the one that solved it. This blonde hair, blue eyed, white guy really like hit the jackpot and just being rich, pretty talented. And yeah. Yeah.
01:10:49
Speaker
This isn't even just everything was given to him. He's by all accounts worked really hard to get really good at a lot of different things. He just puts it on YouTube, his process for getting good. I can also say, by the way, I've never seen a single one of his YouTube videos, but I love the guy.
01:11:10
Speaker
As a, as a pro wrestling fan and as a drink enthusiast, I may not talk about prime every week anymore, but just know there's always a case of it in my fridge. That's the way Chris is going to be with Ooh energy soon. Oh, that's so much worse. Mine's 20 calories and caffeine free years is packed with
01:11:31
Speaker
maybe edible mushrooms, if you're lucky. So what's the point of an energy drink that, oh no, it's a hydration drink, right? It's not an energy drink. It's a hydration, not yet. Yeah. Hey, Mark. I don't know. I mean, maybe you'd think differently if you had some blue energy that the Joker didn't put some of his Joker poison into. One in 10 cases has botulism and jokes on you.
01:12:03
Speaker
What do you mean one in 10? Woo energy. It's a it's a quality 50 50. They just the people that make it right. It's like just the licensing thing flares like, OK, here you can use my image. You can be blah, blah, blah. Here's my other condition. I get whatever percentage of the sales. And also once a month, you're going to put me in a room with some cans. You're going to turn the cameras off. And when I'm done, you're not going to ask any questions.
01:12:32
Speaker
And it just goes. He just calls it hiding a golden ticket. Yeah. No one knows what it is. They're like, Oh, do you want us to like post something on the website? Nope. Nope. Just nature being nature. Just nature being nature. Doing his thing. How long are we into this? First one was 41 minutes and we're 36 now. We're like somewhere between an hour, 10 and an hour 20.
01:13:01
Speaker
But I think including some like the beginning shit before we get started both times. So we're probably. That's true. A little over an hour, which probably got all the Richard kind stuff, because I couldn't think of his name for the story. It'll even be better when there's just a random non sequitur about Richard kind later. It'll become it'll just become my catchphrase. They won't know what you were doing that you were holding it up. You know, facts just yells Richard kind sometimes.
01:13:31
Speaker
Usually when I come, admittedly, but I'd get a divorce pretty quickly if I did that. All right, everybody. Do we have anything else? Do we have anything else? Where are we going? I'm going to have to listen to this episode just to see how it ends. This is a cliffhanger and I'm recording with you.
01:13:53
Speaker
I'm gonna I'm gonna be up late tonight and I'm gonna have to record three separate parts of me talking in different voices to like make a just a clear edit point but but you do like you do like our Vince McMahon as Chris like this is what a New York Italian sounds like
01:14:17
Speaker
Aw, Grateful Dead! Mama Mia! Grateful Dead Pizza!
01:14:31
Speaker
I feel like there's probably something to this last bullshit that's worth keeping. I got sent, because I now have Lowell and Matt's phone numbers. And Lowell sent me knobs as asshole again today.
01:14:49
Speaker
And there's, he sent me a thing where he's like, you just, you look at it too long when you look at it. And he's right. Because I did, you can't stop staring for just a little bit because it's like, it's so wide and deep. And like, I was trying to figure out like, why? And like, how many hands could I fit in there? And like, I'm uncomfortable. I mean, he's a nasty boy. Right there in the game.
01:15:19
Speaker
It's like I legitimately think I could get a good amount of my head up there. Like more than I'm comfortable with. Like it would look like I'm wearing knobs as like a yarmulke. Right. Right. It's the world's worst hair net knobs his asshole. Oh.
01:15:46
Speaker
Well, I don't think we're going to stop this one guys. Like I think we're just going to, we're going 24 hours on this one. This is going to be like the, uh, the COVID GCW charity thing. Was that even for charity or maybe it was fundraising for wrestlers? Yeah, it was for wrestlers. Fundamentally a charity.
01:16:08
Speaker
So my buddy Adam, Justin Gises makes the show, I'll give it the full intro, Adam Conover from Adam knows, Adam ruins everything on TruTV and the G word on Netflix. I just saw one of his IG reels and it's him. Fuck, I forgot what I was talking about midway through. Richard Kind. Richard Kind. Mm-hmm.
01:16:36
Speaker
You know what, fuck it, I'm not editing this episode. Yeah, leave it all. Leave it in, baby. Lull did ask this, though. He asked if this- And by the way, if anybody watched Adam Ruins Everything, tweeted Adam Conover that his friend Jimmy Fax was talking about him in the context of Richard Kind and Brian Knops's asshole. I'm sure he'll be thrilled and I'll get a warm, bright text from him tomorrow. Do you actually know him?
01:17:04
Speaker
Yeah, no, he's like we were legitimately one of my best friends growing up. Are you fucking kidding me? This has never come up in conversation. Not once. That's really funny. A guy I went to college with directed that show. I mean, yeah, no, like, I mean, I still talk to him pretty like not every day, but that's hilarious. I I'm sure if you gave me the name of the director or something like I probably wouldn't know it, but I'd be like, oh, and you'd be like, yeah, I know that guy.
01:17:33
Speaker
Yeah, I'm sure he would. Yeah. I mean, that's uh, no, that's crazy. I watch, uh, I'm a fan. So that's, uh, that's fun. It's good. Small world, small world. Small world. He's going to be here soon at the, the Nashville city winery. My sister has seen him last time he was in Nashville. Um, yeah. You can talk about, you know, Brian knobs ass with him. Not a wrestling fan though, unless he started recently.
01:18:00
Speaker
Guys, I have terrible news. Seth Rollins tours meniscus and. I mean, we also what Cody looked like and he still fought him last year. Seth Rollins are kind of pussy that this is even a story. According to Fightful, it is. I don't know. We'll
Meniscus Confusion and Richard Kind
01:18:16
Speaker
see. Oh, this is real. This is real. And I'm not making this up. So a meniscus is in your shoulder, right? Is that right? That's your knee. It's your knee. Oh, he needs that.
01:18:31
Speaker
That seems pretty important. Yeah. So he could go down an eye. We've covered that. Brian Daniels, he doesn't need both eyes. If Richard kind don't need them both, then neither. Or they just book Richard kind for this one, right? He's a, you know, he shows up in all kinds of things. I'm told they want mainstream stars for mania, right? If they can't get rock, maybe they can get Richard kind. I'm told, I'm told Seth can wrestle if he puts a dental dam around it.
01:19:05
Speaker
Oh my god. There's no way to edit this now. There's literally no way to edit this.
Unedited Content and WCW Thunder
01:19:10
Speaker
We're releasing it as is, boys. We release it as is and just hope that I'm not that anti-Semitic sounding on it. Now that we're this deep into this, I think it's time that we've put on an episode of WCW Thunder.
01:19:31
Speaker
Oh, fuck. I don't have peacock anymore, but I could put on an episode of like Thunder and Paradise. Oh, hell yeah. There's got to be some episode of Thunder on YouTube, and it doesn't really matter which one we watch. I'm sure. So before we do actually get out of here, Lowell has brought up- Wait, wait, wait, wait. I just realized- Damn it. Go ahead. We forgot to even mention that apparently there's going to be a Beastman War Games 2.
01:19:59
Speaker
Or maybe there already was one currently unclear. Or maybe there already was one because it was on his Instagram four days ago, maybe five days ago. Check his fucking cage match. I don't trust cage match. He's going to have Virginia Championship Wrestling within four days of an event happening. I want to keep this into all the silence. Wait, was this on, he just won a four on one handicap. Was it Virginia Championship Wrestling? No, this was in Virginia for sure.
Beastman War Games Skepticism
01:20:31
Speaker
unless he just like accidentally like re-tweeted or re-messaged something old. No, I don't think this happened yet then. It's not on. Unless his cage matches and updated. You guys have, this is gonna be so annoying to edit. Now we're just fucking with you.
01:20:55
Speaker
I really am just going to release this. It's going to be nearly two hours by the time we're done. Two hours and the stuff about Okada and Dilfblade American Cheeseburger is the most on topic. Chris, are you still proud to be part of this show? I am. I am.
01:21:21
Speaker
We're going to figure out. We got to do something. WrestleMania weekend. We got to do something fucking stupid. I don't know what we're going to do, but. Oh, like something we're going to tell the listeners that we're doing. Yeah. Like premeditated stupid because I'm like, we're definitely going to do some stupid shit. Yes. Yes. Maybe we just maybe we just have to bring our equipment to interview the blue meanie.
01:21:43
Speaker
and just be like blue mini, just like ambush interview the blue mini for three hours. I got an idea, we're gonna do a contest. We're each gonna throw, I don't know, 50 bucks in, whatever, the amount of money doesn't matter. Winner take all, it's a contest. How many people can we each get to look at the picture of Brian Knobbs'
Brian Knobbs Photo Contest
01:22:05
Speaker
asshole? Now here's a caveat.
01:22:07
Speaker
you have to tell the person it is going to be a picture of Brian Knob's asshole. You cannot trick them into looking at a picture of Brian Knob's asshole in an unsolicited manner. That's violence. You have to be upfront. Just focus on someone who's worked with his company's legal department quite a bit over his career. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
01:22:32
Speaker
But no, seriously, that's the contest. How many people can you get to willingly look at a picture of Brian Knobbs' asshole? And then, of course, a side rule that once one of us gets someone, neither of the other two can. But I think it's okay if somebody's seen it before, as long as they haven't seen it in a while.
01:22:50
Speaker
I am gonna run around, I'm gonna take it to WrestleCon, run around, every person I see, this is just the sentence. I'm gonna show you a picture of Brian Knob's asshole, consent, and then turn based on that, and then click one. There's a microphone. You should put a microphone in their face. I need to record your consent. And then there's a moment where you realize you have done this to Brian Knobbs. Oh, for sure. Sure, of course.
01:23:19
Speaker
How did you take that selfie? I asked Brian Knob. Cause there's actually, fuck yeah, there's a third party. Who the fuck took that picture? He's using both hands to spread that thing.
01:23:36
Speaker
Yeah, it's definitely sags and it was a medical photo. It wasn't actually uh Just just sags sags was trying to explain to knobs what the inside of his asshole looked like And he just couldn't come up with the language. He's like He's gonna brian brian. I just gotta take a picture. I'm just gonna show you the picture See what i'm talking about. It's long enough ago. He took he took that on an old school polaroid camera. It's actually
01:24:05
Speaker
They scanned that, that's what you see now, is a scan. I'm just thinking of the sentence, does my asshole look too wide and deep to you? And then you know Sags was also showing him his asshole, so that then they could both take pictures and compare them? Like, see, yours is pretty wide too wide at Brian. It's not as wide, like, let's be real, I don't know what's been going on in your life, but let's, that's a wide asshole for an adult man.
01:24:33
Speaker
Hogan walks into what's going on in here brother somewhere. There's a third Polaroid Oh You guys take it asshole pics But also widest deepest
01:24:47
Speaker
You're at WrestleCon, and when you're at Mania Weekend, there's so much going on, and again, you're up late, you're up early, you just get really tired. So you're just at WrestleCon, you just kind of crash, you just sit in the chair, get a bottle of water. All of a sudden, you just hear knobs behind you go, so I hear you're showing people pictures of my asshole, how many you get up to.
Hulk Hogan Heroics
01:25:09
Speaker
And you're just like, I'm at 67, he's like, it's okay.
01:25:16
Speaker
Record right now is 612. Did that in Dallas. Child's play. Yeah. 67. You have entered the realm of the dark arts. And you're not going to like what you find in there.
01:25:38
Speaker
You stare at that long enough you start to see other things. This podcast has been like the running joke that's super funny and then you just get done too much so you just kill it but then you just keep your power through that till it's funny again. That's where we got. This podcast was got weird and quiet and now it's my favorite podcast we've ever done. Guys I have a question. Yeah go ahead.
01:26:05
Speaker
Hulk Hogan saved someone from a car wreck this week. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep. Do we have to... Do we gotta give it to him for that? Tip of the hat. Tip of the bandana. He's wearing the bandana in an NWO shirt. You're flipped over in a car, worried that you might die, and then he's just your... Come here, brother. Like...
01:26:31
Speaker
I love that too. Hogan's wearing the NWO shirt obviously didn't think or know he was going to get photographed because it's like he's the most, one of the most successful wrestlers of all time, a legit minor movie star for time. Certainly he had reality show. He's certainly worth millions, right? Certainly.
01:26:53
Speaker
with Beyond Question. Very delicious restaurant. Very delicious, too, in his time. Postomania, now he's got the place that Knob steals from the trash bins. And yet, he's just gonna wear whatever free shirts Vince sends him. You think that makes him an everyman? Yeah.
01:27:12
Speaker
I don't know man he's taking asshole pics with knobs saving people from cars wearing nw shirts just trying to do some karaoke with Joey Janela sounds like an only man in every man to me and only fans to me oh shit guys there's been an update here on Fightful actually Brian knobs asshole has just entered the cluster fuck oh
01:27:35
Speaker
That's probably my second least favorite Royal Rumble spin-off. It was super fun and cute once. I don't know why they keep doing it. But if they got Brian Hobbs' asshole, I'm in. I think you have it. Peter's out again for a little bit. And what's going to bring us back up? We just got to power through until someone falls asleep on the air.
01:27:55
Speaker
You guys didn't get a show for like three weeks. So you're getting, you're getting too much. You're like, why didn't they cut all the fucking Richard kind stuff? Well, because we brought it up on accident 10 to 15 minutes later after that. So there's just no editing point. I'm sorry guys. It's just the thing we do now.
01:28:20
Speaker
No one has made it this far. No, no, no one. I'm not making it this far. I'm going to be on the edge of my seat for how it ends because it's now so late. I'm not going to remember and I'm not going to stick with it. I'm on the edge of my seat now for how it is. I don't know when it's coming. Well, it's one of us falls asleep or I don't know. I was going to say takes a shit, but, you know, we you can bring a laptop on the toilet with you. Oh, for sure. There's plenty of space for that. Yeah, I can probably carry my microphone.
01:28:48
Speaker
I'm two of these Rhode Island beers that Quint drinks and Jaws in. If we got to bring back in Richard Dreyfus end of the podcast somehow. I've got four more upstairs. I can party. What do we need to talk about? That would be, by the way, a great matchup for Sting's last match. Sting and Darby versus Dreyfus and Jimmy Lloyd. Yeah, the Young Bucks, I mean, that's going to be good, but Dreyfus and Lloyd.
01:29:19
Speaker
Love the Young Bucks mustaches. They're beautiful. Every time they reinvent their look, it just gets better and better. They're beautiful. And they're going to come back. Okada is going to grow that mustache and he's going to join them. Oh, that would be brilliant. I don't know about you guys. I've been making a lot of jokes with friends about what could happen to Okada.
01:29:43
Speaker
And like at least half of them, I make them as jokes and then quietly realize afterwards, it would actually be awesome. Guy can do anything. Anything. W.A., baby. New champ. Who is Colville, Tennessee? It's E3. Yeah. VCW's EC3.
01:30:08
Speaker
Chris, get us out of here. Chris, get get us out. Get us out of here. Chris, get us out of here. Yeah, it's on you, Chris. Guys, listeners, friends. It's been a beautiful time. And I really thank you for going on this beautiful and strange and frankly confusing journey with us. Richard Kine.
01:30:39
Speaker
I'm leaving it in. This episode is going out as is. Fuck it. It's been a long month, six weeks, two months. I don't know how long for all of us. Did you know, guys, we just hit the one year anniversary of Jay Briscoe dying? That's really sad. It still hits me. I can't believe it's only been a year. Why are you bringing him into this? We got to go another 15 minutes now. We got to talk about this. No, go back and listen to the facts and then talk about that if you need to.
01:31:08
Speaker
We still miss you, Jay. And I, you know, I think Garrett, we have to just hit the goddamn music. And if we don't, we know that Richard kind of Fox. Yeah. This is bonus content for an episode that's already far too long. I had a dream last night.
01:31:33
Speaker
And it was like sort of wrestling themed, you know, and like, it's, it's like kinda, but it's like, it's like definitely still wrestling. And like Swerve was in the dream. He's in this dream. Sexy. Sexy, of course. And I realized he's wrestling.
Podcast Hosting and Sign-off
01:31:50
Speaker
I don't remember who he's wrestling, but then I realized like in this dream, I'm, I think I'm pretty sure I'm Swerve's manager, which means I dreamed I was Prince Nana.
01:32:05
Speaker
And I did the dance really well. Wait, like, were you you or you were like in Prince Nana's body? It was very confusing. It was a dream state. So unclear. Whatever would make you laugh harder. That's what that's what it was. Just assume that. Can you do the dance right now? That's cultural appropriation first.
01:32:33
Speaker
But I appreciate you sharing that with us. And I also appreciate that you asked consent for us to start recording again. Even when we clearly established tonight, there are no fucking rules for podcasting anymore.
01:32:47
Speaker
Yeah. Hey, yeah, we're on Zencaster now. So if you were looking to download these from Libson, for some reason, if you're going to the main feed, it's not there anymore. We are on Zencaster now. We're Zencaster boys. So you're telling the people on the feed that definitionally can't get this episode on this episode to get like, is this like a Marty McFly almost banging his own mom thing?
01:33:18
Speaker
I mean, I guess technically I still could upload this because we have it until February. But I'm going to kill. I think I feel I really dislike Apple podcasts. I just think it's a really garbage product. And I haven't really loved a lot of the other things. So for a long time, I was using Google podcasts. Google podcast is going away. I just today export and said because they're like, put it in YouTube music. And I'm like, that's going to suck.
01:33:46
Speaker
But I just it was one button press and I can get continuity. So I'm like, fuck it, I'll just do it. And so I can proudly confirm whether it's intentional or not. We are on YouTube Music's podcast. No shit. That's fun. I didn't I didn't know that. I found that out as I was just assuming they use the same one from Google, right? YouTube and Google is the same thing.
01:34:09
Speaker
Hmm. See, I never uploaded anything to Google because this was as I was uploading the new podcast, I had to go to Google and it said, no, thank you. We're about to die in a month. Go to YouTube instead. So the whole podcast is on YouTube. I've never searched, though. Are we on like actual YouTube then? No. So YouTube music is different. But yeah, I mean, it's it's they have the most recent episode on there.
01:34:38
Speaker
So, uh, it's there. They have the episode from January 7th. So, um, so I think it does mean that you can probably find it on YouTube, but like YouTube. Music is like a separate app and like, it'll play through your car mode and all that. But like, if there is a video, it'll play it. But for things without a video, it just plays like any other podcast thing where it just kind of plays in the background.
01:35:03
Speaker
And there's just a little thin strip at the bottom with like where you are in the episode. But I think most podcasts that are on YouTube proper, like they intentionally upload it as a video, because that's what we used to do occasionally. Yeah, just a few. A couple of them people have watched. Yeah. More would if we put Brian Unmanabs' asshole on it. With consent.
01:35:33
Speaker
with consent. That would definitely violate the terms of your service for YouTube. All right, well, now I do actually have to take a shit.
01:35:47
Speaker
So we'll see you back here in five. We're going till, what time is it now? Yeah, we're going till at least midnight, midnight West, you know, Pacific time. Right. This is my work computer. So I have it in West coast time. So yeah, I knew exactly. We got three and a half hours.
01:36:03
Speaker
All right. Perfect. Well, all right, everybody, thanks for listening. I'm at pre-determined podcast on Instagram at Gartet at Jimmy Lloyd's IMDB page at Gartet. Listen to my new podcast, Erotic Thriller Club. Listen to Chris's podcast. Sullivan Street. Sullivan Street. And then just listen to me yell angrily in the New Jersey's wilderness. That's the thing I do now.
01:36:32
Speaker
Well, thanks for listening everybody. This has been an extra long one. We love you and Richard kind Richard kind each other.