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All Out 2024
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Immediately following All Out 2024 Chris, Fax, Derrick and Garrett met up at a hotel to discuss the violence they had just witnessed!
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Introduction and Anniversary Celebration
00:00:35
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined at Pro Wrestling. Hangout coming to you live from a comfort in sweet and in Hoffman Estates. We got Jimmy Fax. Hello. We got Chris Miggs. We got our designated hitter, Derek Halpin. DH word. I'm here. Happy six year friend diversity, guys. That's true.
00:01:02
Speaker
What do, what do, uh, four boys normally do for their six year friend diversity? Like what's that? They, they watch some men try to murder each other. Yeah. Like actually not just have a violent wrestling match, but actual attempted murder. Yeah. Six year friend diversaries are two attempted murders.
Reminiscing and Podcast Ambitions
00:01:20
Speaker
And then 12 year friend diversaries are actual, like you get one murder. We we were having this conversation yesterday, and I and i think you'll- Two days ago now. Was it? It's after midnight, yeah. ah Fair enough. Fuck, I fed my Mogwai. There were there were a lot of things I was hoping when we went to the original star cast for all in that I was Hoping we would walk away with I was not expecting to walk away with with great friends So I'm glad to be with you guys again. Yeah Lifelong friends that's to be seen the real podcast row was the friends we made along the way
00:01:58
Speaker
I wonder where those guys that were next to us were that were ah they were also wearing suits but different than you like you guys had like a cork to you the guys that were sitting next to us had like a I don't know about them like there's a lot of that honestly I think everybody there had a little touch I don't know about them except i i took you guys We were we were just watching the media scrum right before we record and we said hey You know we should try to get credentials to those podcast journalists But we could probably even go a step further and be like listen Conrad's not doing these star kids star cast Sorry for for all of these things, but like just let us set up a booth in like the arena Lobby do a podcast do some podcasting
00:02:40
Speaker
We could do it right now from the lobby of this comfort
Event Reflections and Violence in Wrestling
00:02:43
Speaker
inn. We could do it next to where the continental breakfast goes. Right? There's 200-something episodes. You look at that feed, it looks pretty legit. They don't look at the episode titles. And certainly they don't listen to any of them. I hope they look at the episode titles. Anything about being this cooking. Like, sir, we have a listener from Spain. Check it out.
00:03:05
Speaker
I did actually look to see if I could get a room at the Hyatt Regency in Schaumburg where the star cast was and it was pretty booked up because I feel like otherwise the the correct answer was for us just go to that lobby and just ah set up a table and just start recording in the middle of the night.
00:03:23
Speaker
I did stay there last year. I went there for my birthday last year, I think. Swam in the pool. It was a nice hotel. Did you cry a little? Did you look at that corner where we sat next to Lanny Pomo? I did, fondly. Fondly.
00:03:37
Speaker
and Megarand. Megarand was our table buddy. Yeah. He eventually- They were our table buddies, even if they were several tables away. He was so drunk, I'm sure Earl Hebner is still wandering around the hotel somewhere ah six years later. How the fuck do you get out of here? Eventually you like think you're talking to the bartender from The Shining, but it's just Earl Hebner stuck behind the bar.
00:04:00
Speaker
But he he is the bartender from The Shining now. He's the ghost that just is always there. I always liked you, Earl. Best goddamn referee. Bring the fucking bell, Earl. I didn't know nothing about Montreal.
00:04:18
Speaker
ah ah You've always been in this hotel, Derek. You've always been here. It's a good hotel. But yeah, we just got out of all out. Like, I mean, we're about an hour removed from the main event ending at this point. And I don't think any of us would have predicted the amount of violence in the final hour, hour 15. The degree, correct. It got amped up from like, I would say, ah what's wrestling violence on a scale of one to 10, normally a six, a seven?
00:04:52
Speaker
I think like maybe even like let like like like let's say like let's say like a normal like w WWE or AWW match is like a five. Right. And then like a Nick Gage match is like an eight. Right. And then like top violence GCW is a 10. Then this was like the 17.
Match Quality and Storytelling
00:05:16
Speaker
Right. Oh, you think it was.
00:05:19
Speaker
I do think that's a little high, but I do think like when you bring up GCW, it's gonna be hard to not say like that was a GCW show at the end. We can name like six GCW spots in the final, I wouldn't say standard GCW spots, but I'd say big GCW spots. Let's take a moment to appreciate that when this company started, Tony Khan did go out of his way to say that I don't think that we're gonna be doing death matches in this company.
00:05:46
Speaker
just really digest how far they've come. I mean that said literally Moxley and Kenny had a lights out match at their second pay-per-view. ah He also said that means we're like two pay-per-views away from a Sasha Banks John Moxley match. Yeah good.
00:06:09
Speaker
Or he goes the other way and takes some other inspiration from 90s wrestling and there's just some like softcore porn mixed in. So let's let's harness some things right out of the gate. like what were your What were your favorite things about the show tonight?
00:06:25
Speaker
Well, um also, yeah one of the big, I think, surprises for me is that no so, A, I think the best thing overall, and i Chris and I were talking about this in the car back, I think it was a great paste show. I love an eight match card. There was really no downtime. I was satisfied when it was over. I never got bored. And I think that kind of going along with that, I feel like AEW what made it special, like that first year, first year and a half.
00:06:49
Speaker
was that there was really never a bad match on pay-per-view like there would be matches that were better than others but there was never a bad match and it does seem like increasingly there's always a bad match on most of these cards and I think tonight there wasn't a bad match like I think like we were all kind of like I was talking with my brother kind of being like you know, each match was pretty good, the first three. And then it's like, OK, here's the Christa Lander and Willow, like, OK, I guess this is the one that's going to suck. And then they just go out there and just kill it. Yeah. destroy And like immediately, like within 45 seconds of that match starting, you're like, oh, this is something special. And, you know, I don't think this one necessarily had the heights of like the best shows ever, but it did feel like coming home again in that every match was at least above average.
00:07:37
Speaker
Yeah, there was no Chris Jericho six-man. Right. Exactly. it It was really one that on paper, if you just show me that card, other than sort of hangman, nothing really stood out as something that you was going to blow you away. Yeah, that was kind pretty obvious. and they They went out and did the the thing that we all expected them to do, and it was pretty great. just Everything over-delivered. Well, and even that, like, I think also a lot of matches, there was good storytelling in that they came out and very quickly in the match said this is what this match is going to be like taking Osprey and Pac. Well, yes, it's what we wanted. Like those guys are capable of having all different kinds of matches. But like, again, 30 seconds of the match. Osprey is outside. Pac goes up top and does the crazy move where it's like, oh, yeah, we're going to be doing some of our aerial spots in this one, too. And then.
00:08:28
Speaker
Yeah, Osprey goes up and matches the move, does the same move. Which was great, because everyone was like, what's he going to do? And it's like, oh, the exact same move. Well, how good was it to at the beginning of that match, like the crowd was hot? Right. Like, it was a great crowd. Like, looking around, like that crowd was electric. Because they understood what they were about to get.
00:08:46
Speaker
But yeah and it was about to happen but pocketed the super heel thing of rolling out. Yeah. and Very smart. I thought how good of a job he did of like perhaps foreshadowing the crowd. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was like look Jim Cornette would appreciate that. He would not have appreciated like does any of the rest of the match. But I do wonder if it was secretly ingenious that the zero hour matches were just complete nothing burgers. I mean, I love Juice Robinson, but like they were not even rampage matches that like the crowd like I remember my brother, who's not been to like a big AEW show before. There's only second ever AEW show. And he was just like, is the crowd normally like you can hear a pin drop during zero hour? and um like I you mean, they're not really giving much here.
00:09:30
Speaker
But then, like, that wasn't an exceptionally proud
Wrestler Elevation and Tag Team Analysis
00:09:33
Speaker
hero. hour The crowd was dead silent. You could hear conversations a couple of sections over. it But as soon as the real show started, they started giving the matches like that crowd came alive. Danny Garcia, man. God damn did that over deliver. ah Great. Danny Garcia and MJF. Yeah. Yeah. yeah That's the big, I think that's one of the loudest crowd reactions Daniel Garcia has ever gotten in his career to this point. Him standing up in the crowd at the end of that win and just like raising his arms like he normally does for the the little hip throw thrust dance. I mean he was helped by some goo, right? The the pop was partially for the goo.
00:10:09
Speaker
I popped for goo. Who popped for the goo? Oh, geez, goo blood. So we are we sure it was just? like do you Do you guys remember that game from the 90s? It was a board game called Gooey Louie? We had to pull go yeah goo out of a guy's nose, and if you pulled too much goo, his brain shot out. Oh, this does sound familiar, actually. Gooey Louie. I don't even remember the names.
00:10:34
Speaker
It was green slime. You know the the sticky hands that you used to be able to get out of the capsule machines that you could smack? It was that material stuffed in a nose. Do I know them? I can't masturbate without them. Wow. Wow. I roll it. I call myself Geppetto. Yeah. I got nose creams. Yeah, no, that was ah that was a great opening match.
00:11:03
Speaker
um Hopefully that continues to elevate Danny Garcia. He hasn't been my cup of tea in AEW to this point. Even, but I think though that there's a lot of guys that have been like that in AEW. Like if a guy can naturally get over.
00:11:21
Speaker
we're like with the elevation of that like I mean at the beginning like I wasn't a swerve guy and here we are we're like he's my favorite guy in the whole company like you used to not be a hangman guy yeah like it can happen with it yeah well I i think Danny Garcia if you think about it like I was actually during this match I was thinking about him like but This is the his biggest match ever right in AEW and then I'm like He hasn't really had a shot at a real pay-per-view match like he's had a couple of dynamite main events but even those were like second like pure title matches like come on and Yeah, it's like let's see it and I also loved the way that match ended even though I normally don't like kind of screwy finishes But it's like MJF wins cuz kind of he asked me. Let's be real.
00:12:02
Speaker
but like Danny still gets himself over afterwards and has this thing where it it does feel like that was the match that like you're not gonna have MJ lose two pay-per-view matches in a row but like Danny Garcia is definitely is getting over despite technically having lost that
00:12:19
Speaker
ah What came on second after that? Was that the... The Bucks. Young Bucks, yeah. That's right. I would say just a pretty standard good Young Bucks match. Normal. Yeah. Yeah. I do think we are getting to the question of like our... First of all, we were in the house the Bucks built. Very few arenas in which the guys on the show have a plaque with their faces out there. Which is pretty... Still kind of insane when you think about it.
00:12:45
Speaker
um Yeah, um again, the I think the the question with the Bucks, maybe and part of it though is, is it the Bucks or are there just not really teams outside of maybe FTR?
Will Osprey's Rise and Future Speculations
00:12:56
Speaker
Even FTR feels like they're slowing down a little bit. It feels like we're in a weird moment for tag teams in the EU. I think it would have been weird if there was a title change here, right? Where it's just like, they just won the six man title. It's not like, like obviously those guys have teamed a bit, but it's like, it's just so random. like Yeah, it does feel like the whole division Is missing something and I don't think grizzled young veterans is the missing link No, no, they're I mean, they're just I think they're like their depth. They're good. I mean they're Another good team to have around to have some good matches, but doesn't seem like they're changed I think we need to have someone kneecap one of the gun boys so that juice and the other gun boy can make a run for the time That could be a good team Colton
00:13:40
Speaker
Do you want the taller gun boy and juice or the shorter gun boy and juice? the The taller gun boy. The taller gun boy. The prettier gun boy. I think two two of three of the House of Black would be a good team to actually push. actually And frankly, you pick the two. I don't i don't really yeah care. You're right. It doesn't matter. Well, I guess one of them should be Brody, is my feeling. Brody and one of the other two would be a good answer.
00:14:07
Speaker
It seems like Alistair's around less. Yeah. Or Malachi. Yeah. Is he a Brody and brod and Buddy? That's like it's a good team. i'm I'm here for it. Those tag titles are going to wind up with Jericho sometime soon. Jericho and Big Cass? Yeah, it could be. Jericho's doing a tour of the titles right now. That's my prediction. Oh, dear. He's doing a title sampling. He's at that point where that's what they're going to use him for.
00:14:38
Speaker
I'm not thrilled about it. Why'd you have to make it so sad, Derek? I'm sorry. I was trying to keep it positive. um I mean, if it means less Jericho singles matches, it actually could be sure not a bad thing. Jericho wasn't on the pay-per-view at all tonight, was he? He was not. He wasn't even a video. That's very interesting.
00:14:58
Speaker
Now, I didn't watch all of collision last night. Now, did he appear for the Outlaws match or anything? Was he in the state of Illinois? Do we have any idea? He was in backstage segments, but we never saw him. They might have been pre-taped, right? Because that was the same I noticed in the Milwaukee Dynamite. He was only in a segment that could have been pre-taped for all we know. It's election season. Yeah. Tony's not letting him on a live mic until the end of November.
00:15:31
Speaker
ah ah Third match, Osprey and Pac was just fucking awesome. I was actually kind of surprised at how... hot the crowd was at the beginning for that. Like I was like, I'm excited for this match. Everyone's like, let's go. i Like, well, I do wonder, maybe, Derek, you have like as a the local Chicago resident Chicago person here, like how like because I like those are the things that I can sometimes lose track of like I've been very fortunate to have seen Will Osprey many times at this point. But like, has the normal like Chicago smart fan
00:16:04
Speaker
Like was this maybe their first big osprey match that they might have been able to see in person? Oh, that's tough. I'm sure he had been. He had to have been like AAW. or You know, I mean, as far as like big probably, but like he had to have been through on a couple of Indies at least. Right. Well, no, and he'd done. I mean, we saw him. I mean, I've been door a couple of years ago against Orange, but like that was that was kind of a mid card match. Good. An excellent match. But because there's what maybe, though, this is the first of this iteration of like main event, American main top tier, top guy like Will Ospreay. I don't want to get into a whole discussion about this because I want to keep focusing on the pay per view. I do know that I said, to I can't remember who I said it to, but after the match was over I turned to somebody and I said good luck keeping him away from the world tighter title the as over as he is right now because
00:16:52
Speaker
you that's the kind of thing where you you strike while the iron's hot a lot of times and he like ever like I said everybody knew what they were about to get in that match everybody knew who he was everybody knew and they know what they do that was that was one of those matches where it was like we know like what we're about to see for the next But that said, I think they're doing a good job keeping us satisfied with him out of the world title picture that like, as long as you keep giving us top notch matches with him in big spots, like they did, it's not even a tease, right?
Bryan Danielson's Influence and Women's Wrestling
00:17:23
Speaker
They very overtly pushed like him and Ricochet is coming up very soon. um Chris, you had a good line about that. You should repeat when he's like, Hey, Ricochet, why don't you get a couple of wins so you can get to my level?
00:17:33
Speaker
yeah i was like uh well let's see uh there's what two more weeks before grand slam so that's what uh four ricochet wins if they want it to be i i would accept two or three work double duty you can win someone rampage too yeah to get up to that osprey But again, that's not a world title match. But is anyone going to be like, he's going against Ricochet. No, I want to make it clear. I don't think they're mishandling him with what I'm saying. I think they're keeping him interesting. I just think that the crowd seems ready to crown him as their top baby face. I'll go as far. I think he's right there with Danielson right now.
00:18:16
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think um my guess would be circumstances. Yeah, like, yeah, my guess would be he's he's the person who beats whoever beats Daniel. so Right. That whoever beats Danielson is going to be assuming it's a heel, assuming it's a heel. Although ending Brian Danielson's career, presumably strong heel move. Yeah. Um, and so yeah, I think that's the, become whoever that person is. And I think we have a good guess after tonight, but, um, once you do that, then I think, yeah, you get to ah Osprey against that person and it's potentially a huge match. Oh, and actually.
00:18:52
Speaker
I mean, do we want to discuss that now or should we save this when we get to the Danielson stuff? I think maybe we'll wait until we get to the Danielson stuff. Okay. Okay. Because I think, because I kind of, yeah, I think there's a strong logic to this as I'm thinking about it.
00:19:06
Speaker
But I think typically what you think after a match like that with with osprey and pock is like good luck to whoever follows That match and fucking willow and stat lander. I felt so bad for them People tore off for the doors because I think everyone needed like a moment, but then people came back I didn't think it was gonna be a third to write like when the second match ended. I'm like, okay I gotta go pee and And then the graphic came up, an osprey pocket, I sat right back down. I'm like, okay, I'm not missing one second of this. So as soon as that match ended, I'm like, whatever's up next, I gotta go. But some gringy spots in that, we didn't really go over any specific spots, but that apron shit between Pac and Osprey was- No, shoot, yeah, that was- It's hard to not mention that. That was a couple wild spots. Two landing on his neck, back to back.
00:20:04
Speaker
I thought was like, there's got to be a neck surgeon out there who just watched that and was like, you know, I'm going to be able to buy that boat. I do. I do. That is like the one thing when I watch these matches, I do worry about like, are we going to just so fondly remember this when we basically never get this osprey again? Like ah whenever he has the inevitable big injury or series of injuries, because it's like the human body can't do this at the level he does it. Or we just don't understand it as well as we think we do.
00:20:32
Speaker
I mean, I feel like I know a little bit about like when someone gets in a car crash or something, you know, it fucks their body up. It's like been on podcasts and stuff where he's like, oh, yeah, like I actually got knocked out. Like, oh, yeah, I actually tweaked that and I delighted doctors. Like he's the same. He's the same as every other wrestler. And, you know, but maybe but maybe he's better at protecting himself than other people would be. He's just dumber.
00:20:56
Speaker
Yeah, that I kind of made i feel like you the the clear analog would be Omega and Omega was fine. He was fine. He was fine right up until he was very much not fine. And he's been great whenever he's come back. Right. But clearly, like his body is.
00:21:11
Speaker
and I think a lot of good comparisons between Osprey and like 2018 Kenny Omega. Exactly. yeah that I think they're both in the argument for like this year of Osprey, like that year of Kenny of like the greatest single years a wrestler's ever had. Right.
00:21:27
Speaker
And like and like in the same way, too, that that Kenny is like Osprey now can do every single style. He's shown he can do the like the Japanese strong style main event. He can do the American style main event. He can do flippy shit still, as he showed tonight in some of these. He can do literally anything the like the way Kenny could. And. Yeah, he's awesome. But again, like Kenny eventually paid the price for that 2018 and 2019. Right. You know.
00:21:59
Speaker
And we're missing dearly. Come back, Kenny. Come back. Caught us here. But yeah, but going on to to Willow and Stadtlander. Come back, Kenny. What? Long Island girls having a Chicago street fight. Kenny just got us here to wrestle. Please come back. Thumb tax on the taint. How do you feel about it? We just need you once, Kenny. Or was it the leap? Yeah.
00:22:24
Speaker
Right. Unclear. I think it was. I wish they didn't go to the camera. See, they should have. They should have had her on the media scrum so they could ask that. That's that's what the the yeah through media wanted. Where did those land? If it was in Australia, somebody's like, how's your diner?
00:22:41
Speaker
ah But yeah that match though, I like Willow's new look. I love the crowd turning on the production crew and telling them to get that on the video board. We were all talking about it in the suite and then I felt bad for them because the and honestly fans at home maybe didn't know but like literally when they're brawling outside the ring this like the Jumbotron that's normally showing like the TV feed just went out.
00:23:07
Speaker
And like we couldn't follow that match. And that's why there was booing. And then you heard random cheering would be when it went back on. Yeah. And booing again when it went down. But that match was a was a banger. Like they had like like a 1998 ECW match. Yeah, you know for sure. but Complete with ah a chair that had like a new Jack tribute on it. Yeah.
00:23:30
Speaker
Got a light tube, got the giner spot. The light tubes was actually the big thing where I was like, oh shoot, I was not expecting. I didn't even know that she had it. They didn't go towards, because she did was holding. She seemed like she was going to do this, actually stabbing the forehead with it. Yeah, and she did they didn't go there, but you know. yeah but it was like uh like you said felt terrible for him and then as it started going it's like no this is the perfect follow-up to what i just sat through i do feel like they do that to the women a lot where like whatever the the most anticipated like pure wrestling matches in the car that you know is gonna fuck they book a woman's match right after it as a cooldown and i'm not
00:24:09
Speaker
um um I was so happy to see that's not what that was tonight. yeah It wasn't a cool down as much as it was like a transition like it was. cool and I do think that that's a good move when you have that like in great like pure wrestling match, especially when it's like somewhat early in the card. Go to the the the dumpster fire match, right? And I don't mean that as an insult, right? Just the.
00:24:27
Speaker
It's why she's like clean. Just be a bullshit. Just violent. A lot of like, you know, street fight. Right. and And it's just kind of perfect because it's just a total shifting of years. You're not comparing it at all to what right before. No. And it's just it's just popcorn enjoyment. Yeah. It's like watching Godzilla versus Kong.
00:24:52
Speaker
Honestly, the match that followed it is probably the one I have the least to say about the four way. Well, so Okada very over. yeah Still very over. yeah Still very over. He's another one that does feel like not. He's certainly not like Osprey that like is the underground champion, but like it does feel like because he hasn't lost yet. Right. Nope. And it's like, how are they? It seemed like a four was a good way to get that title off him to kind of make him an actual title contender. It
Match Controversies and Audience Reactions
00:25:24
Speaker
does seem like the fans are kind of OK with I'm not saying like immediately, but like just does seem like you got to do something more with Okada.
00:25:31
Speaker
And like, what like he's elevated that title enough, right? He doesn't need to do that. Like, what's he doing with that title? You really felt like a spot for Takeshita to maybe like take the belt without hitting Okada or something. yeah Yeah. And then go to maybe because the stare when they did the stare down of Okada and Takeshita crowd. Yeah. and It was like, yeah, let's do that. Let's do that. I'm in.
00:25:51
Speaker
Yeah, that was, I mean, it was a fun match. Like you said, there wasn't a bad match on the card. I just like, I was probably the one where there was just, I don't know. I went into it feeling like there's no way Okada's losing the title in this match. I didn't think there was a chance they were shifting that off of him. Was there any big spots or anything that I'm like not?
00:26:11
Speaker
Remembering like any like i mean there's some great mark the mark briscoe orange Cassidy stuff was pretty fun. Yeah um They did the whole spot in the middle of match where everyone was just giving each other vertical suplexes for That was strange for minutes. Yeah, I was like a long like it was kind of cute then it just kept going and you're like Why well the whole well the whole thing was that everybody could give everybody a vertical suplex except for orange Cassidy Mm-hmm. Okay until they finally he was able to get Was it to catch them?
00:26:41
Speaker
Anything got to catch it it with the, uh, the cutter. Yeah. the stocks on there sorry Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that match definitely didn't over deliver the way that I think a lot of the other matches did. Yeah. It just delivered a kind of a normal level. Although I still, I still just really loved that Mark Briscoe was having the run. He's had, he's been so entertaining on AW television consistently. We couldn't find a way to get Jeff Jared into that match.
00:27:06
Speaker
This is true. That's unfortunate. I feel like we do have to mention that the day before yesterday after collision, we did see Mark Briscoe at an IHOP.
00:27:18
Speaker
And I thought this was a very classy move. There weren't a ton of people in that IHOP. But you could tell who the wrestling fans were. And Mark Briscoe went around and talked to everybody before he sat down. You know why? Because now no one's going to bother him while he eats. I mean, he's a smart man. And a kind man. a Anywhere you can tell who the wrestling is.
00:27:40
Speaker
i have's just more of them um But even, you know, Chris and I were there for what was sadly J. Briscoe's last match. And my last memory, which was like shortly before they went on, is I think I had to go outside for some reason. I don't remember why.
00:28:01
Speaker
and maybe as they get something from my car or something and then they had like like uh uber each driver came with some pizza and mark and jay went down to grab the pizza they had two pies and we were sitting listen mark i think it's more than two i think mark several pies and like they're just going like to get food like they hadn't gone on their match hadn't happened yet And then they started just people were like jokingly like, hey, give me a slice. And he just opens the box and starts handing out slices to all the wrestling fans just hanging out outside. La boom. La boom. Yes. Was it an HOG? Yes. Yes. That's a that that's a great memory to go out on. Yeah.
00:28:46
Speaker
so Yeah, so that's again, it's like it's nice to see that like he is thriving. um and and And again, entertaining us, right? This is not like a, just a, it's nice to see him do it. It's like he's doing great, like he's killing it. So it's cool to see.
00:29:02
Speaker
uh sasha or mercedes mercedes okay mercedes she's mercedes monet money again how i supposed i wouldn't say like over delivered but i will say that especially after that brickbaker match my expectations of a mercedes match are very low right now and so i guess it crushed those expectations because i think this was a solid solid match it It was all her getting her ass beat, though, and that's not what we've seen since she's been there. It's like a full match of defense. Like, yeah. It does, though, maybe point to if she's gonna play heal and be more of the cowardly heal, that might work in terms of match structure better.
00:29:47
Speaker
But she's another one that's like the like they got to get that title off her somehow. Yeah. And we were discussing this in the car. I was thinking like and we were thinking maybe she does got a chance here because it does feel like I mean, a why did they go back to her right after she she lost to Mercedes on dynamite like three weeks ago, two weeks ago? um Well, so that Camille couldn't be there to make it even cleaner. Right.
00:30:12
Speaker
Yeah, but it just felt like it's like if you take that belt off Mercedes, you can move that belt to kind of service the sort of very large women's mid-card they have now. Or give it to Athena, the woman that hasn't lost in two and a half years. Where's she at? Witness protection. Who's she hiding from? ah Fans.
00:30:37
Speaker
People that watch wrestling. That's another trap scenario where they haven't caught her. We should discuss that. Yeah. The ah the amount of police officers in the arena tonight.
00:30:49
Speaker
Little anxious, made me a little anxious. i Specifically the amount of police officers right next to our suite. Like a row of them. Yeah, so we've we've mentioned you know we had a suite for this one. At one point there was a knock on the door and like the the server guy came in and behind him was five police officers and I shit you not, I thought he was like, you guys are in trouble and I'm like, for what?
00:31:15
Speaker
What have we done you were just like which of my hard drives did you find? What kind of which of which kind of lawyer do I need to call? it Chris does make you want to like well tell you is not a tax attorney my um my attorneys here I'm like, I don't know man. Is this an issue with section 160? You gave the eternal revenue code because otherwise and then you didn you just pound a white claw and crush it on your head and when you ask that I'm like god, I hope so the best case scenario it is right now. yeah um But yeah, it really felt like the movie trap. Like who was the serial killer in the, turned out, John Moxley. well And the police did not catch him. They did not. They did not. They didn't even really try. We were talking about this in the car ride on the way over here. um Marissa Monet
00:32:10
Speaker
has has been a had very weird start in AEW. Do you feel like that she, and well I believe the expression used was, do you feel like she has regressed as a performer?
00:32:26
Speaker
regressed Regressed is suggestive of something. I think she hasn't been as good I think and i and I mean I I say I hedge that to say that I think she was she was hurt and Like very badly her very badly her. Yeah. Yeah and Like the match with Brit like there was clearly like immediately chemistry issues that it makes you wonder like Not necessarily that just obviously all these amazing women wrestlers in you know her era of of wwe WWE and NXT, but like she also just knew all of them and had like great chemistry of like, does she just need more time? A, is she still hurt? B, does she need more time? And C, I think she's also still figuring out this character, right? like I used to joke and probably even on podcasts where it's like, I don't think she she knows that. She's a heel, but I don't think she knows why. And I think she's still kind of figuring this character out.
00:33:17
Speaker
And again, just working as the cowardly heel might be some good safety wheels to kind of get her back on track. I think, there's I mean, you you were part of this discussion, Garrett. It's a frustrating spot to be in because I feel like I want to defend her on some level because I've seen her have great matches in the past. It does beg the question of this is a different environment than WWE where you don't get to rehearse as much.
00:33:49
Speaker
as far as I know. um You're calling it in the ring. It's a little bit more hard hitting, I guess is the expectation for the matches here. um Like, I guess my my my I guess what I'll push back on and say is how many more women does she have to have that kind of match with before we start like really seeing red flags?
00:34:14
Speaker
You can see red flags already if you want. I mean, I guess the question is like, how alarmed you want to be by those red flags? like Well, I mean, like, and and like so so she's obviously already a heel. Sure. Will there be an extra layer to this? Almost the way that fans have started reacting to Jericho. Like a, like a, you don't belong here kind of heat. It's not that bad.
00:34:41
Speaker
i not No, I don't know. I was say i don't think I know what I'm saying. Like is it like I mean i think i think we're a long ways from that though, right? cause i But I also don't pull your punches the way they brought her in. um we as As on a certain level as to what they acquired, I don't think you can backtrack now and be like. Because I think that the Jericho thing is it's also like opportunity cost, right? That you're like, well, what segment could I have gotten instead? And sometimes it's even what segment could I have gotten instead with all of the same people but no Jericho. Right. Whereas when you do that and you go like just, you know, this is the reality, right? Like there's going to be two women's matches on this paper view.
00:35:20
Speaker
If you take Mercedes out, what's the, what, what did you, like whose spot did she take that you're concerned about? Right. And that's, I think that the, the ah the honest truth is like, what else are they putting out there in that slot? And I think that people, I personally have just, you know, until I need to see a lot more before I'm willing to say, Oh, she can't perform at the level.
00:35:42
Speaker
Well, I'm not there yet, but right um ah you answered your own question a few minutes ago. You said they need to get the TBS title off of her to highlight one of the many other mid-card women that they have a plethora of. Well, no. and ah To be clear, that that was ah you didn't have the actual context for conversation. Mine was because they need to get her in the main event for the world title, women's world title or because she's far in a way the biggest star in the division. It's not close. Right. Yeah. So why not strike while that iron is hot?
00:36:12
Speaker
Or if it's not for the title, you should absolutely be doing Mercedes and Toni Storm. But you shouldn't be doing that for the TBS title. If you get that belt off her... Like if Robert Baker even felt weird that that was for the TBS title. Right. So you could easily go to that thing, have Mariah May defending against, let's say... Jamie Hader, and then Thunder Rosa is wrestling Parazzo for the TBS title. Just to pick two names in the middle. Yeah, I haven't been a fan of them using her for the TBS title. It's one of those situations where you're being too methodical in a situation where you've already brought her in, and she's at that level. It's also just the problem of too many titles. It kind of makes sense that when she comes in, her first big feud and pay-per-view matches with Willow, right? Because they have obvious history that a lot of the fans know about.
00:37:02
Speaker
And yet Willow happens to be the TBS champion. I don't know why you don't just get the TBS title off Willow right before that. Well, no, they set it up, right? Because because she announced she was going to wrestle whoever was the TBS champion. Like she Willow took the title from Julia Hart and Julia Hart was hurt. Whatever. Like, right. OK, so you could have just done. Yeah, exactly. You could have just not done it for the title. Yeah, that's just weird. Weird booking.
00:37:25
Speaker
um And it's also, which is also kind of shrank Mariah May, right? and And the women's title that like, it's been the second match on the card. It wasn't on the pay-per-view tonight, but that's okay. Right. Cause she, she just won the title a couple of weeks ago, but like the last two pay-per-views before this, the, the actual women's title match has been like second on the card. And then the Sasha match has been like second or third from the top.
00:37:49
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and Mariah was in an angle that's clearly just setting up like a at best a collision match like. Yeah. Maybe a rampage match. It's just not. I mean, that did not seem like that on an angle. Yeah. I don't know. I think it just seemed like an excuse to make dick jokes. Yeah. With the local Chicago gal.
00:38:11
Speaker
see Alright. Can we get to the attempted murder guys? Yeah, let's get there. Let's get to the attempted murder. This match was so good, guys. Like once, Jungle Boy, I guess, Jack Perry, we're not supposed to say Jungle Boy now. He's a jungle man, okay. He's a jungle man. Well, Beast Man's a man. Like, Jack Perry's still... But he's a Beast Man. This is just a jungle man. Yeah. He's in the jungle. They look like they lived near, but...
00:38:41
Speaker
slow start, but in a good way. Like it was, one time yeah they had time. And once it picked up, it was one where I was like on my feet, I was yelling, I was hyped, and it was just one of those matches that, I think like during the eight man, we talked about this at collision, just how good Daniel Bryan is, or Bryan Daniels, and like how good he is at commanding the crowd and getting you to just like be present and pull you into it and,
00:39:10
Speaker
fuck like i'm gonna miss that guy well i think it's thing i think if you take that match and you run it if you ran the same moves with someone where you don't have it a guy is over is danielson yeah that's not nearly as good a match no but a lot a lot of it's danielson working the crowd's love for him I mean, part of it's just, again, the guy coming out to Final Countdown now. And everyone kind of knowing we're approaching the end and feeling this moment of like, oh fuck, we're in the room with him. Like, I don't know how many more shots we're gonna get at this. That was probably my last. At least, like, you know. As a full-time active wrestler. As a full-time active wrestler. They are qualifying it. They're qualifying it so much. That means that I feel like I fly to Houston next year for All In. I'm probably seeing him in a stadium. Well, because he'll still be world champion.
00:40:00
Speaker
yeah
00:40:03
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, it's just, and again, he's just another one, right? I think every time I see him now, it just like, and seeing him do this stuff, you go like, fuck, like this was a guy who was wrestling in high school gyms. And we, we, we have that part of it's because of the era of, of the, like the footage and stuff, right? It's like, we can go watch the tapes very easily of him watching and wrestling in a high school gym. And now you're like, Oh fuck now he's You're headlining in front of 75,000 people. welcome. Um,
00:40:32
Speaker
Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, the crowd get crazy in that and Brian taking them on and all the yes chance and stuff like that. And he's fully embracing it. I do have to say, and Chris and I were talking about this again in the car where it is like if this is only like two or three ish matches left.
00:40:48
Speaker
as a full-time wrestler caveat bla blahh I still do feel like it's a little bit wasted that jungle boy was one of the people like it didn't it was a good match but there was no drama right like even when like literally remember we're sitting there and like oh there's the ref hit here comes the Bucks now Right, and then, oh, here comes Claudio and Yuta now. And it just was very paint-by-numbers in that way. It was a masterly crafted paint-by-numbers, but it was paint-by-numbers. I think there were still some great little moments, though, like where there were two moments where ah Jack Perry does his taunt.
00:41:27
Speaker
and the second time he did it, he goes to do the taunt, but Brian stands up and just kind of flinches, and Jack Perry just like, yeah pusses out so hard. Like, seeing him just go from so cocky to like, fuck, this guy's gonna kick my head. Well, that ultimately ended up becoming the story at the end of the match too, right? Because the match was basically like, when Brian finally was like, okay, I'm just gonna go full Brian Danielson on you, it was like,
00:41:54
Speaker
You were never going to win this match. No. Like I'm just I'm just like a legit like I can go 10 rounds main eventer and you're good. You're a man. Right. But that's yeah. yeah I also just like a heel for Chicago. A nice little Chicago or that specifically a Chicago heel. I was going to say um something that I thought was You were going about it was paint by the numbers in in. In every sense that you did describe it, I will say when you're sitting there throughout the show trying to fill in the gaps of where does Moxley fit in and all of this, who's costing who? When is Christian going to use his contract, like which again, we obviously couldn't hear the the commentary, but it very much seems like it it it is a money money. and the Yeah. Yeah. That was how I teased it. Sure about it.
00:42:46
Speaker
That was how they teased it. yeah um I don't have a problem with that. As long as they don't overdo it. I think the post match stuff with like Christian and all that that, that I'm not even including. I'm just saying, again, if we don't like. ah You know, like even dar the Derby match, which is coming up.
00:43:04
Speaker
Do I want to see Bryan Danielson and Darby very much so? I don't know though why it has to be one of his like three last matches, right? No, I agree with you in that sense. if it's If he's literally down to his last five matches, I would have scrubbed Jack from the list and and gone to somebody else. Right.
00:43:23
Speaker
But Danielson is the type that if he is winding down, he may have picked a few guys. He was like, on my way out the door, I want to work to elevate this guy on the way out. living shit out of but But also, it's the spot, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm. The one thing I'm i'm you look you can elevate, low certainly Perry looks good. He he had a very good, almost main event, pay per view match.
00:43:51
Speaker
Is this character fully working? Like it really hit me tonight watching it with the, with the posing and stuff. Like this is kind of just bootleg Raven, essentially down, down to like the bucks are doing a lot of the heavy lifting, quite frankly, on like getting him heat.
00:44:08
Speaker
Yeah. Like even down to the, like, and obviously the pose. if If you take out this, if you, if you like zoom out on the Raven character, it's like spoiled rich kid. That's essentially what this is. Like even down to the thing at the end where he was like, all right, I guess hit me. It's like, that's, that was an old Raven thing that he would do. I don't know. It's kind of like, just feels like we're, you there was so much promise, but like.
00:44:32
Speaker
The beginning of the character was smirky and he's kind of lost that because he's trying to be... It's not evolving into a thing that's... I think I got it. I think the original plan for this was it was actually going to be like Danielson and Takeshita.
00:44:50
Speaker
But then he saw backstage, they were like like pitching some stuff like, what are we going to do? You know, Jack Perry's pretty hot. What are we going to do? And he just Brian Daniels and just saw Jericho walking over in Jungle Boys direction. He just grabs the guy and goes, book me a jungle boy. Let's do it. But Tony, write it down now before Chris gets there. Sign your name under it. Make it official. Yeah.
00:45:20
Speaker
i've I've been of the opinion since he, from the moment he debuted the gimmick, I thought, this is gonna work, but it definitely has a shelf life. And maybe one that's burning quicker than they expected. and But I also think that's why he got this spot.
00:45:36
Speaker
because they needed because they were in Chicago. And this is really like like when Luchasaurus first came out and then like obviously we knew when we saw Luchasaurus Christian was it did get you thinking though, but it did get you thinking wolf like oh wait this version of jungle man with Christian who that could be that I feel like I'm more interested in that than I am in this current character. And honestly, I think the Bucks can find another young boy to to get over.
00:46:06
Speaker
Yeah. To go back to a line I said to Derek after Christian came out, I'm your dad now, birdie. Well, you kill a man, you inherit his child apparently.
00:46:20
Speaker
Well, no, that make that would make him make her Moxley. ah so every So everything after them like so the match, for I did love the finish. I loved Jack accepting, like, fuck, I can't beat you. Just fucking... Just take my head off. Just kill me. Well, I also love like when he kicked out of the running knee the second to last time.
00:46:44
Speaker
and then danielson just had this look like the fuck like really that but that that's what i mean like that that's a brian danielson i'm gonna elevate you he fucked up yeah by doing that yeah and then that's what led to him just like kick me in the fucking head yeah yeah let's get it over with And then, yeah, after that, this is where Brett Lauderdale booked the rest of the pay-per-view. Yeah, John Moxley ah tried to, or perhaps successfully murdered. But let's set the whole scene on that, because I thought that that was such a fun, that was maybe my favorite stretch. One complaint, because I remember, I hear my brother talking to his son, right? And so, yeah you know, Christian's music hits, the rest of the Christian family, Luchasaur, Zori, and the Ring, cart coming down, right, while Christian's music is playing.
00:47:30
Speaker
And then there is ah Moxley, like goes in and kind of intercepts him at the bottom of the ramp. Now here's the problem I had. Moxley is wearing the exact same outfit Claudio Castagnoli was just wearing. So I literally hear my nephew going, wait, who's that at dead to the end of the ramp? And my brother goes, oh, that's Claudio Castagnoli. And I'm like, no, that's actually John Moxley.
00:47:54
Speaker
like just seems like a very bizarre. I think you're interpreting it the wrong way. I thought that was a brilliant piece of foreshadowing. Yeah, it's a little that was because you didn't know at this point what was about to happen within two minutes. I mean, I i had a pretty good idea.
00:48:12
Speaker
Like you so right as soon as they came out. You thought when they lined up that they were all there to turn on Danielson? I did. And I was actually kind of surprised that apparently they didn't tell Yuta, which I think was a great little thought. That's one of the many things I wanted to yeah to get to. First of all,
00:48:28
Speaker
I think you're glossing over the Luchasaurus thing because when you're watching this stuff play out live, you're like, oh, there's a connection between those two. and lu Jack used to be under Christian and they were all baby faces. Right. He could technically go home to that group and they could all be heels.
00:48:46
Speaker
Like there were just a lot of things. And he does have some unresolved issues with his dad. For sure. Very well documented. So it's just like there's a lot of things as it's playing out in front of you. You go, well, fuck. Why is Lucci here? And then the music hits, and then everyone starts to realize, oh, it is like a money in the bank.
00:49:03
Speaker
Oh, fuck. And then you get to process. Oh, wait, I guess that BCC is still like Moxley is still there with with Danielson. Right. Shoulder to shoulder. That felt obviously like. It felt like Mox is going to do something in my mind went too well, but the numbers don't make sense. He's alone in here with these other four guys. And then you go, oh, yeah, well, because they're. he's not alone but but also danielson laughing like he was prepared for this right he's in the middle of the ring with christian trying to cash in and his boys come out to back him up and he's like hahaha yeah i like i anticipated some shit like this and they all go in the ring and then there's just that like ooh
00:49:50
Speaker
but There were multiple things that happened within like the span of like five seconds where it was just like you could sit like oh This isn't them actually here to congratulate him and Wheeler being left out of the loop as to what was about to happen the and this wasn't an issue until they let Pac in the group and right Although Wheeler, so so obviously they they do the turn, Mox gets out the bag, because Terry Funk is dead. Claudio is the first hit, right? Right. Claudio is the one that makes first contact. Uppercut, yeah. Then Pac, and then Mox. Which is ironic too, because Claudio was Danielson's replacement and during his debut two years ago. Right. yeah And Eddie tolt said you couldn't trust him.
00:50:37
Speaker
Couldn't trust him. Eddie Kingston, never wrong. um And one of the last times you saw Eddie Kingston was him thanking Brian Danielson for the match that he had with him. Yeah. Yeah. But also telling him, you gotta, you gotta buck up, right? You gotta, you gotta be the real Brian Danielson. Um, and is the real Brian Danielson part of a group or is he a, a lone wolf?
00:51:02
Speaker
Hello wolf, but he likes being a teacher. He likes being a teacher, which is why wheeler was the most hurt Well, he was the only one mean oneer Even at the end of it right they all finally let him go and they all leave and you know we get to see if brian is still alive or not and he seemed like he was and Yuta then gets on his knees and like tries to help him so that's even kind of interesting because like By all accounts, it seems like Yuta is still dedicated dedicated to to Brian. he's He obviously has the six-man title. Right? it But also the typical thing to do, like if this was like an NWO angle, they would just turn on Yuta too and kill him. Right. But they're like, no, Morn, you're still coming with us. Right. As someone who just watched the Lion King with his son, it very much looked like ah Simba going to cuddle up next to Mufasa after he died. And then Scar's like, this is all your fault, Yuta. This is all your fault. He's got to go find his Timon and Pumbaa, grow up a little, come back and kick everyone's ass. Those are the Outrunners, right? Those are the Outrunners. They were actually the one of the inspirations for Jurassic Express.
00:52:13
Speaker
you you get fair yeah yeah I just thought everything about that. I didn't like the bag. I didn't like that spot. Look Derek, Terry Funk is dead and Ric Flair may as well be. So it's you can steal that angle now. It's okay and Mox is like, it's time. We're bringing it back. Schlack is very much alive and that is his spot now.
00:52:40
Speaker
I don't think Schlack gets to claim the bag spot. Schlack can give Schlack one fucking thing, please. Was that the first time you saw the spot, Garrett? Is that why it's and for you, like the bag spot? I mean, in the last decade, I feel like the bag spot has belonged to...
00:53:00
Speaker
I mean, other people have used it, I mean, Mason uses it all the time. You know? Okay. Well, it's like Moxley's thing now, and if you don't like it, he's going to bag you. Yeah. He was so mean when he did it too. he did It was uncomfortable. He did it for a really long time. Long time. I'm like, no, a human being can't actually have a bag over there. I became your child, Chris. I was like, Chris, can Brian breathe? I'm like, he's got, he can poke a little hole. They've clearly, they've they've worked this bag. They're fine.
00:53:27
Speaker
or and Daniel's and you're like, maybe he hasn't worked the bag. Maybe he's just like, I'm tough. I can do this. I don't know if you guys heard the guys in the suite next to us were very intoxicated by that point. We're talking about being in an auto erotic asphyxiation angle.
00:53:42
Speaker
ah don't steal our gim yeah like like legit though it was like it went on a long time and you're like this is and even like referees run out for two people pushing each other no referees here tempted murder christopher daniels back there just watching going like but bag i going out there The whole crowd appropriately chanting this is murder this is as We all sit there and just allow it to happen like we could have jumped in like i could have been enough enough Yeah,
00:54:17
Speaker
syndrome yeah yeah yeah, we all just yeah, we all figured someone else would do it I just think there's ways to do that spot that aren't so blatantly murder, like you can choke a guy with a cable or you can, well yeah it like it doesn't have to be that. yeah i And I honestly, I don't necessarily have a specific issue with the bag, but like the kind of the spirit of what you're saying, I do kind of agree with.
00:54:41
Speaker
And I also feel like storyline, like I thought it was going to be mocks was also burning Christmas of like, oh, no, I'm going to be the one that's going to end Daniel Bryan. Yeah. But like, how does that become I'm going to try to murder him?
00:54:57
Speaker
like. because um Yeah. I mean that that doesn't hate him. Although maybe on. this is goingnna come out din I just wanted to scare you. I wanted to make you think I would. I want the real Daniel Bryan and your dick can't get hard without a bag over it. I also love that. Like so. So.
00:55:17
Speaker
Mox is there attempting to murder Danielson. Wheeler just just crying and Puck not beating him up, just kind of holding him gently. And Wheeler not struggling honestly that hard. Well, just again, like and as as a kid who saw too much violence young, you know, when mommy and daddy fight, you just you want to be there, but you you kind of just got to let it happen and you got to go through the motions. Maybe that's.
00:55:45
Speaker
It's an interesting direction for Wheeler. I i think the the weirdest thing is I'm concerned for Mox's child because I do think that part of this turn is going to be I saw happy children in the ring. And I can't have that in my pro wrestling. I was kind of worried Papa's drinking again.
00:56:02
Speaker
a now was on the mean so um see him he rene's just not lend him of ice instead Yeah, he's got that rage um Here's here's my pitch here that so two things about this that you and I were talking a little bit afterwards right of like Does this mean that Danielson doesn't have that many matches? Because you got to think that the Mocs match is probably Wrestle Dream and if you're doing the Mocs match, it feels like there's a good chance Mocs wins. And you're doing the Mocs match in as close as you can get to b Brian's hometown.
00:56:37
Speaker
right ah You know cuz like that was pretty much everyone when he announced it I remember people on the internet were immediately like oh Yeah, this pay-per-views right around when he said he's gonna retire and it's in his hometown like clearly that's gonna be his last but also if you're a Halfway decent Booker you just ignore that and just let people Speculate that because that only works in your you just built in drama, right?
00:57:00
Speaker
His career doesn't have to end at Tacoma. It can go another eight months. But but I think that if it's this match, I think and that's the big thing, right? is Who does Danielson want to retire him?
00:57:12
Speaker
I mean, mock seems like a reasonable option for that. I was saying, yeah, in real life for the character too. Like that's because I think both it's probably mocks, right? I'm really, I am very interested to see the next item, right? Cause I, I could even see like Brian kind of like mocks basically being like, you've gotten too soft boy. You don't belong in. And then good. Daniel's just like agreeing with him and being like, yeah, we should fight.
00:57:35
Speaker
Yeah, and Murder Mox's champion is a pretty fun direction. And to the point I was trying to make, I was, I see it from earlier. And it's just like a legit scary, because like, again, Osprey against most people for the world title, it's like, yeah, Osprey's gonna win. Right. Him against, well, if Suzuki's murdered grandpa, he's just Murder Pa. Murder Pa. Murder Pa Moxley. Well, and Osprey overcoming that seems like a good way to crown Osprey. Plus,
00:58:06
Speaker
that's a match, right, that feels likely based on what we know, and obviously, you know, Osprey signed and he'd already signed before Wrestle Kingdom, but like, they've been setting up that match for forever, and then they fucked it with a three-way when they had the the chance to do it, in part because maybe Khan was like, yeah, we're gonna get there. Because that to me, that's a match.
00:58:34
Speaker
um ahp Osprey and Mox is a match that, that feels like a very interesting direction. If you give Mox six months to cook and just sort of be, like, just run over everyone, and like, Murderpaw, and Osprey is the one that has to stop him. You know? It is nice that like, his reintroduction to the company is like him being back in a big, bad way. Mm-hmm.
00:59:00
Speaker
People, there were the weird Facebook people where they're like, is Moxley gonna go to WWE? It's like, if there's anyone who's never fucking going to WWE again, it's Jon Moxley. He's like, this is the best. I get to do anything I fucking want and get to be myself. I get paid very well. Except for eat fucking ice cream in bed, Renee. God dammit. God dammit. Fuck you, RJ City, saying none of your boyfriends eat ice cream in bed. Make it or change my mind. I'll leave the Halo Top rappers wherever the hell I want.
00:59:30
Speaker
um Yeah, we got what a month I did yeah i Man like little over a month. They really did just like in that one segment make Wednesday must see TV. Mm-hmm for sure and Honestly, if they were getting this story going for a little bit This could be one of those hot runs of a few weeks about CTV. Mm-hmm but But not collision. right just just oh i'm not It's somebody who just sat through a whole episode. I had a great time with you, Derek. We got great seats. Once again, don't get your tickets to an AEW show until... Where'd you guys sit? Fourth row, hard cam. Oh, damn, nice. Like, aisle, great seats. Danielson ran by us.
01:00:15
Speaker
ah wonderful time, I would say, like right? I mean, it's much fun as you can have at a collision. It's worth every penny to be that close to like professional wrestling yeah at that level. We waited till midnight the day before the show and got those tickets were like $1.50 or something. We got them for $60 after fees. Damn, that's nice. That's the thing. Collision is like at this point where like it's like the old RO8 shows where you're like, look, if you show up to a collision, they're going to put on a fun wrestling show.
01:00:47
Speaker
Is it must-see television? Not really, most of the time, but like, from the perspective of like, this is a fun night out to watch wrestling, is consistently a fun night out to watch wrestling. Like, that eight-man we got was worth the price of admission, and it was long as hell. Like, it went like a half hour of... into It went into... Yeah, it was a half hour of collision, and then 10 minutes into rampage, and it's just like, we watched Okada and Danielson wrestle in an empty arena, so...
01:01:16
Speaker
um So that, I just thought from like a story perspective, the end of that, the official main event set so much up that they need to like, I'm, you have to tune in Wednesday to figure out where they're going with this yeah quickly right because there's the mocks, Danielson element, but there's still this looming. What do you mean? This isn't your company anymore. That was very deliberate that there's still that looming. Yeah. And he's calling out Darby. Darby is obviously the guy with the next shot.
01:01:47
Speaker
in Queens. But is he calling him out? Or is he trying to recruit him? Right. Because he just wants to talk to you Darby. He just wants to talk to him. Just got talk. Or but but at this point, it's an interesting ad, right? Because it's like, I'd like to talk. But if you don't want to talk, I'm also open to murdering you. Yeah, that is an option. I mean, he was sweet talking. Jungleman Jack the other night. He's a sweet kid. Yeah.
01:02:15
Speaker
Sweet boy. because But again, also, right he's sweet talking to him because, again, he wants ah yeah something, right? Obviously, he's going to explain more, presumably, on Wednesday. But this is what good TV is, is it's got you thinking, like fuck, like something's coming together and I just can't figure out where it's coming from. e Even with everything they gave us tonight, I'm still like asking, but why?
01:02:39
Speaker
Well, and and I think like theres it's one thing that certain periods of AEW have trouble with is that you get these like pay-per-view title matches that are just kind of mid. like The matches always are good, but it's just like, this guy's not beating Kenny, this guy's not beating Moxley. And like we actually and this is like even kind of transitioning to what the main event tonight was. I think we're also at a point where there are a lot of very credible like world title challenges right now that they've built up.
01:03:08
Speaker
And it's like a good problem to have of like, well, Brian's probably not wrestling all of them. Like, which ones is he getting in which order? And then how are these guys going to fight it out after Brian takes, you know, his presumably his first batch of time off will be fairly lengthy. I don't think he'll he'll do his first part time match like the next pay per view. You had said in the parking lot and I'm going to connect these two things. Two weeks ago, people were saying, I think Danielson is going to drop the title back to Swerve. And tonight I'm just like, I don't think that's happening. Yeah, I don't think that I think that's off the table entirely. unless the Indians holding this title for a long time I don't I don't think so yeah well even then you'd think hangman would get the next title shot logically yeah it was a lights out match it doesn't doesn't count
01:03:57
Speaker
I mean, that was Adam Cole's gripe about Orange Cassidy when they when he beat him. Right. Well, that was his that was his his thing. is It's unofficial. So I don't. Yeah, I'm still undefeated. Right.
01:04:10
Speaker
um Let's get to the let's get to the unofficial main event. The second attempt at murder. It's really fun that after like 10 minutes of the main event. I out loud said this is kind of slow.
01:04:26
Speaker
I felt I had to I had to piss so hard. And there was a moment where they did the barbed wire in the cage spot. And then he just started pressing on his face against the cage with the camera. when I was like, this is a typical, like, slow the thing down cage. but i can I can go piss. And when I came back, everything went up from there. ah So what the fuck are you guys talking about? Like, they were stapling things to each other within like 60 seconds of this matter.
01:04:54
Speaker
yeah No, there was also a lot of walking around with staples bleeding out of their skin. There was definitely a lull in the second quarter of that of that match. i i do i mean Maybe it's because we were coming off of such a high moment that even a hardcore cage match was like hard to follow. i mean It did get there. It did like it very much got there like with a couple really really gross spots Like I mean, it's not like we haven't seen cinder block spots before But we haven't seen those lock we haven't seen those And they and they tease like I was really worried somebody was gonna go face first into one of those like they teased like a couple of dead eyes a couple other things where it's just like and then it was like I had that relief of like, okay, I swerves not taking a face first dead eye into a cinder block and then you see what does happen you're like okay that's that's just the if not worse like that fucking bruise that immediately appeared on hangman's back was that a bruise that was like there was a vagina gash like it was like uh it was an open it was an open wound you had for and vagina gash i could put my cute up vagina was right there and
01:06:12
Speaker
Yeah, no, I, they did a good job and maybe you have to have that spot and some match some new Japan matches do that. You but have to have the cinder block spot. Not the cinder block, but you have to have that like, okay, so they're going to slow down and then they have to start ramping things back up. I thought that's what they did. They just did it with weapons.
01:06:31
Speaker
Well, part of it I think was that is the nature of the cage match, right? A a lot of matches that are or doing sort of the the bigger thing. You kind of use just like brawling and moving to try to kind of fill some of the beginning as you're trying to let things breathe. And they didn't have that even before the stables were anything. The very first attempt of several attempted murders in that match.
01:06:55
Speaker
was them both trying to impale the other from the falling cage itself. That was great. That was great. I'm typically not a fan of cage matches. I don't know if I'm the only one that feels that way and maybe it's because w WWE has butchered so many of them over the years.
01:07:13
Speaker
i yeah i think there's a I think cage matches work in a feud where there's a heroic baby face and a chicken shit heel that runs, but those two have consistently in their feud
01:07:28
Speaker
Willingly run at each other to kill each other like there's no there hasn't been as much like like I'm trying to escape you Yeah, but I think that's is more like the hell in the cell of like this is the final match No, I get what they were doing But like and and I think that it and I think that that's actually the problem with WWE is like how and so just became a month on the calendar and then with one thing of the bang weeks before it they would just go and OK, who's on the pay-per-view? Which of these matches are we putting in the cell? Right. And like, you know, and I were honestly blood and guts a little bit this year. A little bit felt like that, too. I thought that, um you know, war games like the NXT brought back war games version was great. Then it's just it's just a thing they do. Yeah. So but this felt like and you don't have to call it helesville just a fucking cage match.
01:08:15
Speaker
And that's why I think this felt appropriate. And this is obviously one of the longer running feuds they've ever done in the company, right? Like this is their third one on one pay-per-view match. And four, if you count the one with Joe as the third participant. Yeah. And it's like, ah to me, that signals this is the last one. Maybe not the last match ever, but like the last one for a good long while.
01:08:36
Speaker
I don't know that that's necessarily true. I think they've there's another they're going to have another match relatively soon. You don't think Swerve's getting something back after his family's house was burned down and he got nearly murdered. I mean, to be fair of the house Swerve did beat Paige. I mean, twice on pay-per-view that directly led to him being the hottest thing in wrestling in the world champion. So I kind of feel like this could be hangman paid it forward. Now Swerve was getting him back.
01:09:04
Speaker
I just think, I think we're going back to this. It's not maybe next month, but I think within within six months, we're coming back to this. It's gonna be on the calendar again. like Also, explain to me with the cage, what element did the cage play tonight? Kept Nana out.
01:09:26
Speaker
Kept it on and out. That's right. Well, they tried to impale each other with it. But but again, it's you're focused on the actual cage, whereas it's more about what the cage represents and most of the hell in the cells before they started becoming. If you remove the one spot where somebody goes off the top, which became a stupid trope after Mick Foley, the cage itself. No, I understand. It's it's a blow off man or the signal of this is going to be a very violent, bloody match.
01:09:51
Speaker
But hangman in the good look, there's a little bit of a switch in the logic here because swerve has changed over the course of the feud. But hangman specifically said, I want you in a cage because the reason I've lost to you is Nana and Nana and Brian Cage, who obviously wouldn't be a factor in this match. I think that was part of it. Yeah, exactly. But that we you know, this is to keep other people out. Yeah, this is just me and you.
01:10:17
Speaker
um And again, I think with this view, I'm with you that like this field is the logic for the caves that clear. Like I would have picked a different stipulation and banned Nana from ringside. Then there's no dancing. Yeah, you love the dancing dance them to the ring and then this. Well, you can dance back out.
01:10:39
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know if there was any, and part of it was, part of it was I don't even know if this needed a stipulation. Like it was almost could've just been like, look, just like the lights out aspect of just like, hey, we're gonna do this one more time, lights out, there's no fucking rules, we're gonna settle this. Yeah, but cages look like I guess what I'm saying is it's kind of like you're saying why would someone put sprinkles on their ice cream? Like sprinkles are good. I think it's not a question that needs answering. I think that their Texas death match that they had was one of the best.
01:11:16
Speaker
violent matches i've ever seen from a like just from and i don't know what i and um trying I'm struggling to figure out what I'm trying to say by that, but just like for a match that contained a lot of like.
01:11:29
Speaker
Junk wrestling as some would people like it was the one that was like had me on the edge of my seat For a long period of time and I sort of whenever a cage gets involved not a hell in a cell But a cage like one of the first things I had turned to you and said was like well, he can't do buckshot Lariat And there's also I can't I can't do that way in like there was the part where like he's trying and he's like Oh fuck i don't have the room like yeah There's actually i hit a cute spot where he's like, Oh, what matches have they done in their feud so far?
01:12:00
Speaker
There was a Texas death match. Yeah, because the first one was just a match that turned into a death match. And then and then the three-way with Samoa Joe, which was just a straight three-way. And then a 30-minute draw, which was the wrestling line. And again, maybe this is because they aren't done. I would have done like an I quit or something. I would have done something with some more finality of the other person officially ending it rather than... It was it was just not the stipulation that... Do you watch the same match? Because it seemed pretty like he murdered Swerve.
01:12:28
Speaker
Yeah, and I actually think I quit with me. I would actually say, again, to your point about I and i again think we don't think this is over. I think this absolutely set up an I quit match, right? Because Swerve didn't lose. we'll start Again, Swerve was either pinned nor did he submit. He was knocked unconscious. Right. And so the idea that that could be the last match, I absolutely think you've you've got that.
01:12:57
Speaker
in the back as a pop just a knife fight because that's ba on the i I don't know how that looked on TV so listeners might have a different but like it certainly even on the jumbotron in person it looked like a a Prison ship so Cory pointed our friend Cory was with us. He pointed this out He said oh, is that a burnt piece of swerve's house that they're fighting with? Oh because it looked like a charred piece of wood. Oh, that would make sense. I'm wondering if on commentary they mentioned like, oh, that's a piece of swerve's burnt house. Jeez. I do like that. I mean, that is kind of how you make a shiv, right? From something else, you know? But I like after he said that, because at first I was like, what am I looking at? Did hang men smuggle it in through his ass? Like somebody would a ah prison ship.
01:13:49
Speaker
Yeah. And then the syringe, also the syringe spot. There was a syringe spot in the main event of an AWW pay-per-view. And people wonder why GCW feels like it's lost its mojo. At the vitamins arena. Maybe that was now vitamins he was injecting. It was a sponsor spot. Formerly the Sears Center. That was the equivalent of what they did with the Assassin's Creed. Little B12 right in the... I still call it the Sears Center, guys. It'll always...
01:14:23
Speaker
Yeah, there was murders. There was this the stabbing felt much like it. You're right. No. like now How do you guys, Chris, how do you to feel about the actual like cheer shot that ended the match?
01:14:38
Speaker
It's funny that that's the thing that it's like, that's the murder too far because I don't have a problem with the chair shot. I have a problem with the syringe. I had no issue with the syringe. I had no issue with the syringe. What was your issue with the syringe? Yeah. Yucky. I just I didn't like but I didn't like the the shank either.
01:14:57
Speaker
OK, I didn't love the shank. I'm not going to lie. I just feel there's certain things with and again, I don't want to make it seem like I'm like the of the Jim Cornette. You can't follow a shooting with a stabbing type. I'm not that I don't like the the Pandora's box of all if if you're just going to stab a guy.
01:15:16
Speaker
Why did you have the staple gun in there? Well, I think like this could somebody much come with like a Morningstar next time. that's what i'm like I just don't like you need to wear them down for the staffing. You know, you can't stab someone right away.
01:15:28
Speaker
Well, I think the, our friend Matt said, like, with the syringe, you know, it's like, it's not a stabbing, it's just a yucky circus trick that, like, is, when you see it on TV, it's gonna make everybody cringe. Like, I don't think it's, like, a real death shot or anything, you know, it's just, like, when you see it, assuming that the needle went all the way through, I couldn't tell from the jumbo. Yeah, we good it was hard to tell, yeah. That's my other thing with a cage, though. That's, like, one of i think the big downsides to a cage match is that, like, you, it's hard to see shit and you, and,
01:15:58
Speaker
I hate being at a live show and feeling a little bit dependent on the jumbotron, but yeah, I don't know what it is, but yeah, I mean, we were saying with like the chair shot, like on the one hand, it's good that that has come out of wrestling so much that that moment can be a kill shot. yeah Right. that You don't see it frequently. It's not like an ECW show where that was like in the second match as like a transition spot.
01:16:29
Speaker
On the other hand, I i don't like head trauma. Yeah, like on the other hand, Chris Benoit did murder his family. Right. So but what you but why why the shots ever? Why is it going back to Osprey? You can get concussions a lot of different ways beyond just chair shots. Sure. You mean like a German suplex from the top rope?
01:16:54
Speaker
So like i look I actually did not have a problem so much with the chair spot. It's been built up enough to where you can finish a match with that now. And it's a big deal. it's right um but it's And it's extra dangerous when a guy's got a needle sticking out of his fucking mouth. yeah And it feels like you're jamming that deeper into his fucking soul. It's a railroad spike. So so I get it.
01:17:17
Speaker
i I thought it would have been just as effective to have him finally get that shiv in his skull and really like grind it in there, immediately pop up and then fucking crush his skull with the chair shot without the like ah like the visceral response to the, ooh, they're doing a needle spot in AEW. My first thought when I saw the needle though was like, the internet's gonna fucking hate this.
01:17:47
Speaker
I don't know, man, who cares what the internet thinks? Says the guys on the podcast. Tony Khan. Tony Khan's always like, I thought it was a great show. I really enjoyed it. There's a lot of different ways you can entertain a wrestling fan. One of them is an evil in the mouth. Some people really like it. I saw it in this. ah We have the best fans in the world. This little ah my little guy Brett Lauderdale wrote this spot. It's just a little preview of when the current Saudi crown prince. He dies and then we get his son as the next crown prince. And he grew. He's the the one that grew up watching not ECW and WWF, but but GCW.
01:18:29
Speaker
bring it over i want to see hulk hogan do the needles but i want to see yoko zuna do the needle spot um so they just have to bring some sumo wrestler over you do needles yeah so back to this special i i don't know what the right finish was or i just am like i just don't i think there's a really good reason why we don't do that and I just don't like I honestly think we shouldn't use chairs at all because it is weird it's like the okay I'm gonna kick you and then you bend over I'm gonna hit you in the back cuz it's like it's just so stupid um it was a weird way to end the show it was a weird and very weird everyone's kind of like I guess we file out now slowly yeah Tony Khan didn't even come out to say thank you and
01:19:14
Speaker
Well, that would have been an awkward thing if he's like, all right, thanks, everyone. Swerve still, and he's like, so we had a good time, right? Up until that last hour when things got a little out of hand. There were two attempted murders tonight, and so things, it was a little bit out of control, but come back, enjoy Dynamite. and where There were plenty of police here if it got two out of hand.
01:19:34
Speaker
I'm here to give medical updates that the two attempted murders were not successful. It was definitely a weird end to the show. um And again, I don't wanna make it seem like I didn't have fun at the show or or if I didn't. It's a great time. I enjoyed the matches that those things happened in. I just, I don't know if I would have approved of the needle spot or the bag. It really seems like me four years ago booked this show. Yes.
01:20:03
Speaker
Can we get some needles? This is a show that Garrett booked four years ago just to piss Derek off and look at him as the spots were happening. He's like, why? Why'd you do this? You're just like eating potato chips. We're trying to get a company off the ground over here. You're like, we've only been a company for a year and a half. We can't go to needles just yet. Five and a half years, guys. The problem is we're doing needle spots in bingo halls instead of arenas.
01:20:29
Speaker
You know, and that's why they had to get rid of CM Punk. He would have never allowed this on the show. Yeah, he doesn't want you to use real needles. Pussy. Real cinderballs. Go back to Silver Lake in there the hallowed halls of the Sears Center. We're talking about this before. It is so wild to me that we have this like deep emotional relationship with this like eat here or the the at best, ah fifth the most relevant arena in the Chicagoland area, um in an area that is mostly just hotels surrounded by strip malls. hey There's a Dave and Buster's type of place next door. It is at least probably four to five, you're not wrong. It would be United Center, the Rosemont Horizon. Still considered Chicagoland. Yeah, it's Chicagoland. I mean, there's parts of Indiana that are Chicagoland, so. Okay, that's weird.
01:21:23
Speaker
yeah you're right though like I don't know if this is the last all-out that happens there I'm happy we got to go there yes that venue will all when we showed up to it for collisions hadn't been there since 21
01:21:40
Speaker
I don't know, just like, I got a little emotional, like, it that just seeing that building. We had such good times there. We met there. Are you glad that we we got bad instructions on how to find the suites and did a full lap around the building? I got to see a full 360. We got to see Jack Perry doing something.
AEW's Impact on Wrestling and Cultural Shifts
01:21:57
Speaker
To go back to what you said earlier about it being like like the fifth most relevant arena, and i but look at it from our perspective back in, what was that, 2019?
01:22:05
Speaker
2018 2018 six years. So it was like when a 16 year old gets their first car and it's like an older You're just fucking you're just fucking thrilled and like we got an arena Like it's a real arena with facilities and corn and everything right the first time you get a hand job Probably not a great hand job Was it a little dry? still But it's still a hand job. It still came at the end. You can't believe it's happening while it's happening. It's actually happening. And then after it happens, all you want to do is talk about it. Yeah. And here's what we did. Here we are. With everyone, including drunk Earl Hebner. And six years later, we're still talking about that hand job. Yeah, exactly. Even though several of the people that were involved in that hand job are not necessarily welcome in professional wrestling anymore.
01:22:55
Speaker
I think that that was the other thing is in part because of hand jobs. The police might have also been there because we made too many jokes about Marty Skirrell showing up at the show tonight. I actually thought when I opened that they're like, hey, we have a warrant out for your arrest. Beast man is sad. So i don't I don't get to do this with you guys very often. I do want to touch on what you and I talked about and what you and I kind of touched on during the show, which was um while we're on the subject of how
01:23:28
Speaker
This might be the last time that they do something. We don't know that. They could very well be right back here next year. um But if it is, I do want to say like it does feel like when Cody left, it was the end of an era. And the end indie wrestling is not where it was five years ago. no It's a completely different ballgame now. um And just to talk about that for a minute and kind of how the landscape, like they're a legitimate number two wrestling promotion. And the cost of that was basically the Indies got sucked dry. And and honestly, like as as even though like w WWE is way bigger than that, like they're by far, but like a W is closer to w WWE than anyone else is close to a W.
01:24:17
Speaker
Right. Like like they have like an extra zero in front of like the next the viewership of the next most popular. I feel like people online would probably throw some numbers at you that show that's not true. But I don't know that I'm not going to make that argument. I mean, the impact numbers are generally in the like one hundred thousand people watch him impact. And at this point, New Japan is gets lower ratings and an eighth of their audience, essentially. Yeah. Well, seven, third depending on what you're you know, yeah, it's And in in terms of buys and stuff like that, w WWE doesn't draw eight times as much as they do. Yeah, like TNA is amazed if they get like 20,000 buys and AEW has like basically never done anything under 100,000. There's like maybe one show that did that.
01:25:01
Speaker
um They did, they just did like a hundred and I think the estimate was like 160,000 for all ends and like that. It's a lot of buys, you know, at $50. And I would even wager if you look at like historic ticket box office, because we also forget like the peak of WCW that they were selling like 10,000 seat arenas.
01:25:20
Speaker
It was like two years. It's before that, it was like four or five thousand seats. And after that, it was less than that. So like they are probably substantially the second most successful wrestling company of all time. And I have no idea who number three is. It's it's it's probably either impact through longevity or WCW because of the you know the peak from like ninety seven, ninety eight. Bischoff would be viscerally upset at that suggestion that they were the second most successful. I think by any metric though they are right like by money by by any conceivable metric, AEW is far more successful than WCW. What is your I'm not gonna I don't want to take his position. They haven't made that much money. I mean, they've drawn money in but they haven't
01:26:11
Speaker
They've neither did WCW though for the most years of its existence fair. I guess I don't know I mean WCW is a weird. It's part of like kind of like what do you count from it because like You know Crockett promotions in like the 80s, especially it was like pretty hot for a while. That was pretty successful um That's ah it's such a whole different context. That's hard to Compare that. um But I mean, you look at WCW, it existed for 13 years. In terms of actual like real money drawing, it's got about two, three maybe? And like, whereas AEW has been, but again, like it's not even, at this point where it's not at a strong place, they did 50,000 seats in Wembley with a fair number of buys, and they came back and did like eight plus thousand in Chicago, like,
01:27:03
Speaker
It's pretty good. and there It seems like they're about to get a contract that puts them very safe. that I mean, that's the thing too. Like WCW, right? The whole thing about WCW.
01:27:15
Speaker
They didn't die, they were just, they were murdered. Right, and and shout out to our other podcast row ah compatriot Guy Evans, right? Because his book is great and it's basically like, like you when you read that book- It featured heavily le on the Vice show who killed WCW. Right. um Like the whole context of WCW is sort of insane, right? Like it's a it makes no sense. And if they were actually getting paid to produce television, they might've had a real shot at that. But when you,
01:27:44
Speaker
is what it is, right? Even WCW in its dying days was drawing ratings that would make both WWE and AEW shit their pants. But you but you again, it was a different world, right? So I think you have to compare it sure to the market of what they're in. And like, AEW is, I think it's the second highest rated show on cable after Raw.
01:28:06
Speaker
Right. Monday Night Football is obviously going to fall out of water. A lot of weeks. Vanderpump Rules. I mean, again, if you're entertainment shows, right, it's raw. But I'm saying it's in that same breath. Yes. Right. Of it is one of the highest rated shows on cable. It is the highest rated show on Turner. Right. And, you know. But take that in the context too. Does that mean as much as it used to?
01:28:30
Speaker
I think it means exactly as much as it used to. Does it? i think Is that primarily how people consume their media? I mean they're about to get a lot of money that would suggest that not people consume their media that way. But they're they're about to get a lot of money and um presumably because they're also about to slap attach that to a streaming service where their entire library is going to be part of it. If you look at actual things like media publishing that a lot of that is so split. So like even though Netflix is like the biggest of the streaming.
01:29:02
Speaker
It as an independent service and the independent show, none of those draw anywhere near as much as shows on network or cable, many of which are also on streaming. So it's it is just a kind of a different world, but like.
01:29:18
Speaker
Yes, I'm not trying to detract from AEW. We're really one of the steers. I didn't want to talk about WCA. I wanted to go back to what I kind of told you earlier, which was hand jobs. When but when Cody left, it was kind of the way the day the music died is the way I describe it to you earlier is like that was kind of like the oh, very much like the big bopper going down in that play
Podcast Dynamics and AEW's Future
01:29:38
Speaker
kind of. Yes. Blimp Levy.
01:29:44
Speaker
Um.
01:29:47
Speaker
It is weird to come back here and we think that was only five years ago. Why are you apologizing? It's your goddamn podcast. You should never apologize to anyone. You're a podcast. I interrupted Derek. We haven't seen him on here. He's just a guest now. It's your goddamn music.
01:30:04
Speaker
It does feel like I'm on trial. It's all three of you. The layout that we ended up in, I think fairly randomly. Yeah. Or maybe not. Or we're not. You did be like, we've got four seats and pushed one over to this fucking side and then so sat in the last remaining spot over there.
01:30:21
Speaker
Well, this was where the couch was. The chair was there. He pulled it a little bit. This is very exciting podcasting because no one can see the picture of where we're at, but you just kind of pull that chair over naturally. He was on the coffee table that's in the middle of the room. Picture the Last Supper, but we're all on the side that Jesus is on. And Derek is facing Jesus.
01:30:46
Speaker
yeah We're on the cisgender Jesus side. Well and actually it's really four because I am wearing the the Hardway Heater Japan t-shirt which does have a ah picture of Heater's face so it's like collectively all of the other co-hosters. I mean I'm wearing my nasty boy's shirt so that is kind of another character on the show. Right, right. An opposite asshole. Of course yes and and again we've we've had to see it so many times. ah It's really a really good thing we were in this week, because it would be really damaging to others if they had to see that. I feel like there's viewers yelling at their phones right now. Like, Derek's been trying to make a point for 20 minutes. and you guys You guys are 90 minutes into this pod. The music died, OK? 90 minutes. No, but I'm with 85 of those minutes you've been spending on this. I was trying to set up ah ah but like to do like a retrospective of yeah like if this is the end of ah of them making this a Chicago home base for this event.
01:31:39
Speaker
didn't they Isn't the Australia show called All Out Australia? No, it's called Grand Slam, but apparently they did say there will be a ah New York one too. so There can be lots of Grand Slams. There's something unpredictable, but in the end it's right. I hope you have the time of your life. Now we kill Derek with a piece of his house.
01:32:01
Speaker
it No, it's like, I don't know. Moxley's gonna come in through the, cause Derek's also the only one with his backs at the door. So Moxley could just come in and throw a bag over his head. I'll tell you, after this. I heard you didn't like the spot. yeah There's been years where if Jon Moxley walked through that door, like my eyes would become very puppy dog and I'd be excited if he came to that door right now. Shit myself. People have just been getting it the last hour and a half. He's become a slasher villain.
01:32:29
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I love it. I love it. smart No, but yeah, we'll take it back to Derek's. white we trying It's been is it's so I get I don't think this is I think they're going to keep doing this. It does keep work. I don't know. I think that it'll just change, right? I think that.
01:32:45
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I think that I think actually it already ended. Right. Like as soon as they announced the first London all in like last year's wasn't afterthought. Right. This year's was a little better, but it was still very much a B show. And I think that and Tony Khan does have that strong connection and obviously like all of us now because of the the original star cast and all in stuff. I think that like if they continue doing an annual show here, it deserves a little more Um, and I hope that it something changes, right? So maybe they go back to calling it all out. Maybe if they're going to be doing all in earlier, maybe it goes back to being Labor Day. Otherwise you just got to space them out more. And especially do with like grants, like I think Chris and I are going to grand slam in two weeks. We know one of the matches is grand slam in two weeks and wrestle dreams and like four weeks. Yeah. Yeah.
01:33:41
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By the way, um so sorry listeners have to travel to things sometimes. There's another EW pay-per-view in the tri-state area in November. We don't even have tickets to that yet, do we? They're on on sale yet. They're back here in November for Thanksgiving. are they and then where are Is it the now or or is it? It's Windrust. Windrust, okay.
01:34:00
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But i like I don't like doing this thing like, ooh, it's a whole different audience. Like, people- Oh, it's not a different audience. Although it is a different vibe, right? I would assume- Yeah, it's totally different. A vibe that we've been to the United Center. Like, I think because in part there is something about- Well, the user also just a different crowd, right? Because sure any pay-per-view you're gonna get more out of towners, right? Whereas yeah there's obviously some out of towners at any given like dynamite or whatever, but substantially less. Yeah, no, but there's a something There is something weird in the air in that room, which is so funny because it's such a
01:34:35
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It's such just a random place. But like, it's almost like they've got to keep coming back because it's legitimately a good building for wrestling. It's a good building for wrestling new acoustics, good sight lines. Um, still a smoking area for Jimmy Lloyd in 2020 smoking area. Your brother was really, it's like they have a smoking area. Is that you're like, I think, yeah, yeah, he quit smoking almost 20 years ago and I think he he thought he reconsidered it tonight when he's like, oh, there's a smoking section and Jimmy Lloyd might be in it at the
Final Reflections and Podcast Wrap-Up
01:35:04
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Sears center.
01:35:04
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Well, this is the the whole argument they used to have about like the world titles. The really good ones elevate the world title. They don't need the title to elevate them. And I think that's the same for the Sears Center. I think we put it on a pedestal because of the memory. I don't know if, it's a fine place to watch a show. um It's got its scars too. But like the again, the first few all outs Like there wasn't a very clear pecking order of the AEW shows and the paper views of like what the order is, but it seemed like all out was the one they really wanted to be the biggest show. Yes. And I think that's changed. That is definitely changed. Right. But I do think that that gave it even more cachet of beyond just these memories of the first show. Right. Because like, I mean, again, technically the first AEW show was in Vegas and we don't have any particular. It's not like when I go to Vegas, I'm like, Oh, the MGM Grand. The old MGM Grand. Where Avril Lavigne played while we were at the sphere. Oh can we do AW at the sphere? sorry We need to do it. Well when Danielson, we were talking earlier and it's like people have done one of like the new music plays right is like this is the final tour but that means it's time for residencies and like if this is Danielson's final tour can we get a Brian Danielson residency where he's just like
01:36:24
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All right, ah every weekend, three times, three times a weekend, I wrestle for an hour at the sphere. And also, how is Ric Flair not already done that, but in like ah Branson? yeah You know, and I would 100% go see Ric Flair in Branson. Ric Flair in Branson. He's at the Yakov Shmirnov Theater. A 72-year-old Greg Valentine.
01:36:47
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Wrestling to 60 minute broadways, but they only actually do like three wrestling moves in 60 minutes as much as I'm ready to do another full hour on Branson It is almost two in the morning and Derek and I have an hour drive back
01:37:02
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Don't let me in with you. all I got to just watch football tomorrow. You got to drive tomorrow. I have an eight hour drive. we're We're really we're really ah letting real life intrude on this. I'm sorry. We're at an hour 40. I do have to shit. That's that's actually how most of our podcasts. is Yeah, I typically sometimes it's when when we're still recording or it's immediately after the recording. There's something about your dulcet tones that really I take a real smooth one afterwards. It's actually exactly what happens to me when I step into an oldie. But because I'm enjoying it, yeah it's like Tantra. It's stewing.
01:37:40
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Oh man, I mean, I guess at least I hope tomorrow you guys record a bonus zone about the time you guys kissed.
01:37:48
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Does that require a whole bonus zone? I think it does. because Well, I was thinking about it all night because I feel like there were so many through so many moments now where people go with like the biting and it's just like it looks like two people about to kiss. And so i anyway, that's I'll leave that to you guys to do that or not and just tease the listeners.
01:38:06
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um No, no. We said earlier today, never again. I'm standing by that. I didn't say that. You did. you We agreed to it. Hey, what happens in Hoffman Estates? It doesn't have to happen in Hoffman. Just picture that I'm swerved off. I'm going to give my child a kiss in the next 24 to 36 hours. i would I would like to... Guys, this is Chris's room. Neither of your names are on the registry. Nobody ever needs to know.
01:38:35
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No, I can't. I can't do it. I hate that he backed away. I kind of liked that the last one was us figuring out that it was a mistake. But we haven't tried in years. I hope the audio picked that up. It definitely did. Yeah. All right, everybody. It was a beautiful moment, guys. It was. It was nice. I'm happy that that's what... It was all right. You've had better from him.
01:39:01
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12 seconds. 12.
01:39:07
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ah ah 12. 12, Mississippi would have been uncomfortable for you guys. You're like, you tell your wives when you get home, like 12 seconds. Like, I don't know the last time I kissed my wife for 12 full seconds. It's going to be funny tomorrow when you guys are going to think, yeah, this Garrett just randomly is asphyxiated last night middle from a plastic bag. I don't know.
01:39:28
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where anyone got the idea. I don't know where why he was sleeping with that on his head. Yeah, that seemed really dumb. but He had his earbud in, though. Big Bopper was playing as he faded.
01:39:43
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That's a good place to end. All right, everybody, thanks for listening. Derek, facts, Chris, love being in the same room as you guys. Yeah. This is a treat. I wish it happened more often, but I'm happy it happened tonight. Mm-hmm.
01:39:58
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in this special special place Also States, Illinois. ah I don't know when we'll release it next week. Maybe a couple days after this episode Derek facts Lowell and Matt we did a bonus zone Canadian takeover and there's some ah fun shit in that definitely stick around to the second half of that it goes off the rails And even though they're not here, I do want to give Lowell and Matt a shout out because they've been a blast to hang out with the last couple days. Yeah, this has been this has been a a real fun hang. I'm I'm happy we got to do this. I hope we can do it more in the future. But like I said, if this was our last go at the Sears Center at the old Ichi, the half, the half.
01:40:41
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Take your vitamins. You never, you never know, ah you never know when it's gonna be the end. Oh god, is that John Moxley's good for bags?
01:40:53
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Maybe one of these days soll Brett Lauder will stop dick teasing us about another GCW show at Hammerstein and they'll actually do it and that could be a good excuse to get the band back together. I would have loved one at the Covid Dome. We're literally like we could go look at the Covid Dome right now. All right. Let's go. All right. Put your shoes on. See you guys. All right. Later. Hit our goddamn music.