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Episode 17 - Guest Maddy From 'Mad About Money' On How She turned Her ADHD Into a Financial Benefit
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Paul and Martin (co-Mayors of ADHDville) spend some time with the unstoppable Neuro-Inclusive Money/TikTok/Biz Coach - Maddy Alexander-Grout. She tells an amazing story of her life and how she used her ADHD to turn her life around and build a community to help those who struggle. Along the way we she points us all in the right direction.
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Transcript
Introduction & Guest Appearance
00:00:01
Speaker
So before we get into the podcast, we've got Maddie on as a guest and we get into her story and it's amazing. I'm going to stop there. Take.
00:00:14
Speaker
So before we get into the podcast, we've got Maddie from Mad About Money on as a guest. She was excellent. She had a great story to tell. And then towards the back, we have a load of advice. And if you want any of our links, they'll be in the show notes. So come on, let's get into the podcast.
Humorous Google Maps Anecdote
00:00:36
Speaker
Turns out they hadn't updated their Google Maps and the shops didn't exist anymore. And it started raining like hard and I didn't have an umbrella.
00:00:50
Speaker
That's the last thing you need, isn't it? ADHD, I'm going to start calling them real ADHD days because I think we have them. We have them a lot. And then it's like, what do you do after you've had one of those really horrible days? I mean, you come on a podcast to talk to two lovely gentlemen about something that's really close to your heart. You guys are here for me.
00:01:13
Speaker
Here we go. You're very welcome. You're very welcome. Right. Okay. And on that note, we should start really. Yeah. We should just start. Let's start. We've got some intro music. I'm just going to start with some intro music and then we can just relax for a second. All right. So welcome to ADHDville.
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Yeah, we usually come to like do a little pop in our chairs. I like it. We used to sing along to it. Are there words? No. No, I've tried to like shoehold some words in there, but it hasn't worked so far.
00:02:07
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So welcome to ADHDville.
Paul's ADHD Diagnosis & Radiohead Connection
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I'm Paul Thompson, and I was formally invited four months ago into the ample community, that is the neurodivergent community, the sprightly age of 56, with an ever-decreasing resistance to gravitational forces. That sounds like a reference to Radiohead. Oh, that's it.
00:02:37
Speaker
The gravitational forces. I'm thinking of radio. I'm thinking of like gravity always wins. Okay. I was actually mistaken for Tom. What's his name? Tom York. Tom York. I was mistaken for him once. That's not a bad thing. Well, I don't know. He's a good looking chap. Maybe a bit whiny. It's cool. It's cool.
00:03:03
Speaker
It's cool. I felt worse. One woman said she reminded her of Woody Allen.
00:03:09
Speaker
Oh, that's not good. That's not good. Yeah, but it's true to the other. So anyway, how about you? Yeah, I got I got like into somebody on my TikTok the other day said to me that I looked like somebody from Benadorm. And so I went and looked them up. Okay. Now I never watched Benadorm. And so yeah, I went and looked up the lady. She and this is like this 60 year old fat woman. Oh,
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Speaker
Thanks. But still, still, it's not Woody Allen though, is it? I don't know. I don't know. This lady, this lady was like, I mean, I could, to be fair, facially, I could see that actually I did look a bit like her, but just 20 years younger and like maybe slightly skinnier, maybe.
Maddie's ADHD Diagnosis Impact
00:03:53
Speaker
I once had to give an autograph for Julian Lennon. I was at the Glastonbury Festival and two people came up to me and said, Julian, give us your autograph. Julian, come on, we know you're Julian Lennon, give us your autograph. So I'm not Julian. In the end, I had to give them an autograph. They insisted. Nice. But what ever happened to autographs? I mean, I've got Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, all of those ones. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I feel like they'd be worth loads of money right now.
00:04:23
Speaker
Yeah, especially because they died years ago, right? They did. I mean, I'm pretty sure that they were people in costumes. But at the time, I felt very, very privileged.
00:04:33
Speaker
All right. I'm going to introduce me. This is like herding cats. If you've got three people with ADHD on a podcast, it's like... Never a dull moment. It's fantastic. Never a dull moment. Anyway, and I'm Marty West. I was diagnosed with ADHD 11 years ago. And my dad was mistaken for Richard Attenborough. Wow.
00:05:03
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in a restaurant. Who famously called everyone darling because he could never remember anyone's name. So he just called everyone darling. That's what I do. Right. You're a good company. All right. So how about you Maddie, you were diagnosed I think the same month as I was.
00:05:25
Speaker
Yeah. I've had two ADHD diagnosis because I'm really greedy like that. My first one was two years ago, and there was a story behind this. I first got diagnosed when I basically got told by my, at the time, five-year-old's teacher that he had ADHD. I was like, but he's not a naughty boy. She said, no, he's not a naughty boy, but we think he's got ADHD. I started to look into it a bit more.
00:05:54
Speaker
And then I fell down the rabbit hole that is TikTok. And I've always liked TikTok, but I used it very much to help me with my kind of diagnosis. Every last thing I was like, oh yeah, that's me. That's me.
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Speaker
Oh, yeah, that's me as well. So I kept looking and I thought, right, I need to know once and
Financial Struggles & Transformation
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for all. So I paid for a private diagnosis. And then about six months after my private diagnosis, I saw a news article about people giving ADHD diagnosis as Willy Nilly and the company that I used had actually gone under. And that made me completely doubt myself. So I thought, oh, God, I'm going to have to get on the NHS waiting. That's crap, isn't it? That's crap.
00:06:39
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Panorama. Exactly. Oh, good. I haven't even watched that documentary because I know it would make me raging. So I stepped back from that. But I thought, right, I'll go to the NHS. And I'd seen a TikTok to say, go and ask to be referred through Psychiatry UK, right to choose. So I did that.
00:06:57
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didn't hear anything for months and months and months. So I phoned up my doctors and I said, did you refer me? And they was like, oh, no, we forgot. Great. Thank you. Just add another four months onto my waiting list. Thank you. And then I finally, probably about nine months after I'd been referred, I finally got an email
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and a letter saying, we've tried to contract you via post. And if you don't return our correspondence within the next five days, we're going to take you off the list. So I phoned them up and I said, I'm really sorry, I don't open post very often. It's like a deeply ingrained thing where like having been in debt for so many years, like if it doesn't look important, it doesn't get open. So I must have missed it somehow. And then I had my
00:07:47
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my meeting before Christmas. I got all of my forms filled in. I got all of my people that have known me for a long time to fill in my forms. I got my husband to do it. And he was just like, how they don't realize that you've got ADHD. This is beyond me. So then I had my meeting and they said to me, they said, we've never seen anybody present themselves as ADHD-ly as you do. And I was like, ADHD, is that even a word? Or like, I'm going to go with it.
00:08:14
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And I had all 19 of the checklist and they basically then started trying to throw medication at me. And I was like, I don't know if I want to take medication. So I am currently doing the titration thing.
00:08:30
Speaker
I do struggle. It's similar to me. It's very similar. I kind of got rushed through and I think I ticked every single box and they threw medication at me. And yeah, my situation is a bit of a mess at the moment, but yeah, with the medication.
00:08:46
Speaker
Yeah i'm i'm still i'm on the fence i think like in some ways i think some ways i think i do want to take it because i would love to be able to sleep at night because i mean i'm also perimenopausal that doesn't help i also have a i have pmdd which is like a hormonal crappy thing that goes up and down
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So so I'm like, oh, I mean, medication could help me to regulate that. But then I'm also incredibly entrepreneurial. I like my personality. I actually I'm quite happy in my own skin. I like the fact that I'm quirky and outspoken and talk over people all the time. I don't like that so much. You know, there are bits of me that I think my hyper focus is my business and I don't think I'd have grown my business to where it is now if I
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if I was on medication. So I don't know
Entrepreneurship Journey
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is the honest answer. Yeah. All right. So now or rather about 10 minutes ago would have been a great time to
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introduce our guest. I have just been waiting for a small gap. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. In the 1970s or the 80s on the playgrounds, you used to get two people, usually girls, with a skipping rope and you waited for yourself to jump in. That's me. That was me.
00:10:16
Speaker
Bobbing along. Right, so we're going to be talking about managing money as part of your self-care journey with neuro-inclusive entrepreneur, money and business coach slash trainer, Maddie Alexander-Grout. Great intro. I feel like I should bow, hello.
00:10:42
Speaker
All right, so what we're going to do is we're I don't know whether you've seen this recent podcast before, but we are in the mayor's office and we are now going to jump in our car and we're going to go over to the coffee place. Yes. Stroke cafe.
00:11:04
Speaker
And then we'll kind of like, I think we can kind of really kind of start digging into this idea about ADHD people. You know, they're quite often not great with money. And how can you help them? So let's jump in the car. Let's just bring it around the front. There it is squeezing. There it is squeezing the back. And then we'll head over to the coffee place.
00:11:36
Speaker
I mean, this car is so old, it's still one of those cars that's got ashtray in the back. It's jump-starting. Yeah. Perfect. All right. Well, I'm going to get the drinks in. What does everyone want? I've been quite...
00:11:58
Speaker
I'll have a cup of tea. Apparently there's a tea shortage, so I'll have it while I can. That's true. Like PG tips, builders. Yeah, builders, very builders. Oh God, that sounds good. Stronger the better with the sugar, one sugar. It only tastes right when it's made with British water.
00:12:22
Speaker
It's just now the same. It's ridiculous. What's ridiculous? My definition? No, the idea that the fishy tea only tastes good with British water. I kind of get that, though, because when you're on holiday, water doesn't taste very nice, does it? I mean, maybe it's not got as much chloride and chalk and crap in it that we've got here. My mum makes a funky flavour.
00:12:51
Speaker
My mum, bless her, she always used to bring cheap Spanish brandy home from Spain, obviously. And it always tasted rubbish in England. It's the air, change of air or something. She used to drink it like it was going out in fashion in Spain. It was quite embarrassing as a kid. But when she got it home, she couldn't drink it. It was undrinkable for her. It's like crisps. Crisps always taste nicer abroad. Oh, right. Yeah, crisps.
00:13:21
Speaker
All right. So... It's a whole podcast in itself, isn't it, really? Yeah, it's exactly. You know what? I've found that if you go to Google and you go ADHD and and then you insert random word after it, there will always be something that comes back at you. It's quite weird. Anyway, I'm going to try that now. I'm going to try ADHD and Twiglets.
00:13:52
Speaker
Yeah, no, I'm sure I'm sure it's there. Yeah. So let's talk about money. I mean, because I know personally, you know, like that story that you were saying earlier on about not opening up
00:14:06
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wanting to open up envelopes are like, oh yeah, yeah, now I've been there because you're just scared of what's going to be inside it. It's always funny when your daughter comes up the stairs with the post and she's like, mommy, mommy, don't worry, it's all white envelopes. There's no brown ones.
00:14:26
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My son, because I have to manage two houses apartments, one where I live and the other where my son is living in Turin. And when I go and visit him, like I did this weekend, he has to be the post with trepidation because he knows I get triggered and I get a bit kind of touchy and anxious. She's like, Dad, Dad, there's some posts for
Radical Lifestyle Change & Financial Success
00:14:50
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you. And there's always unpaid bills.
00:14:54
Speaker
you know, and like, oh, God. But what I like about your story, Maddie, is that you seem to me, it's like someone who turned, you flipped an ADHD weakness into an ADHD strength.
00:15:07
Speaker
I did and actually I don't talk about that enough and I really should. For years and years and years and years, money was my absolute nemesis. And then I basically switched this thing on and then I was just like, right, I'm going to learn everything I can about this thing
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And so I can conquer it. And now it's my superpower. Now I run a business talking about money. And I don't think there's that many people that turn something that they really hate into something they really love. And now it's just, yeah, it's been an absolute game changer.
00:15:44
Speaker
it's almost as if you found like a way of flipping it so that actually it's quite the reverse you actually get a dopamine hit from the very thing that okay yeah so it was the thing that stole all my dopamine and made me feel the worst now makes me feel the best
00:16:02
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And it's like I now talk about how to help people with money. I have a money app. I do my TikTok and every time a TikTok goes viral, I'm like, get in. There's huge dopamine around everything. But I know that I'm helping people and the messages that I get from people saying that I'm changing their life. I'm like, that's mental, but I love it. It's really nice. It's not always...
00:16:28
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not always the money, but it's the stuff that comes with it. Yeah, because there seems to be like two parts of it. One is like a practical day to day money thing, like, okay, you can save money, you know, doing X, Y and Z. And then there's a kind of like an
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an attitude change to it, you know, which is your kind of origin story on this, right? Is that there was
00:16:59
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something about it. Was it like, I mean, for me, it would be... Shall I tell you the story? Go for it. No, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Okay. So my money story started off, I think probably when I was in my teens, I was always told, spend within your means. Oh, I'm rhyming there.
00:17:23
Speaker
And basically my my parents were they taught me about kind of basic money stuff But they didn't teach me about credit because they'd always said to me don't get credit I think maybe if they had said go and get a credit card. Here's how you manage it That would have been possibly a bit better but they did what they could and you know, I I started my
00:17:44
Speaker
spending addiction and my dopamine hunting when I was in my teens. And I used to go into town just for fun to go and meet my friends to go shopping. That's just what you did in the 90s. It'd be like, what are you doing at the weekend? No, I'm going to town. So I'd go to town with my friends, specifically with the view of spending money, because that's what you did. You went to buy stuff.
00:18:09
Speaker
And I never went prepared. I'd always go to McDonald's and buy a McDonald's, or I'd go to Woolworth's and I'd buy a little can of Coke or wherever. And I would go and I'd spend all my money on makeup, body shop stuff, clothes. I also, at one point, had a bit of a shoplifting phase, which wasn't great. I know totally, totally bad. But again, very dopamine-y.
00:18:32
Speaker
like totally there are not great habits sometimes that come with ADHD and like all of my friends were doing it so i was like oh i'll do it and then one of them got caught and i was like i probably shouldn't do that anymore um but that's kind of where it all started um but i but i was dealing with small amounts of money i had like 40 pounds a month allowance which didn't last very long
00:18:53
Speaker
And I was always going to my parents going to have some more money. And they didn't have very much, so they didn't give me very much. You know, I was, you know, we weren't a family that, you know, we weren't like really in poverty. You know, I would say we were probably quite a middle class family. We had two cars. We had a dog, two dogs, actually. And we went on holiday every year. Now, the only reason we went on holiday every year was because my grandparents owned a villa. So
00:19:19
Speaker
We basically used to go to Spain every year. I think if we'd have had to have paid for ourselves, we probably wouldn't have done that. So we were kind of on the lower end of the middle class. But I had a really nice childhood. It was all great. My parents got divorced just before I went to university, which I took really tough. It was a hard time for me. I broke up with my boyfriend, who I'd been with for three years.
00:19:46
Speaker
And I just had like major rejection sensitivity dysphoria, but obviously I didn't know what that was at the time, so I just thought that I was heartbroken, just heartbroken that my parents had got divorced, heartbroken that I'd lost my boyfriend, he cheated on me with someone, so that was really horrible.
00:20:03
Speaker
And I went to university and discovered alcohol in a big way. I was just like, yeah, just gonna go out boozing. The problem was I started on literally day one of university, went out, got really drunk, felt crap, woke up in the morning and someone was like, oh, it's fresher's fair, let's go and get some freebies. So I walked to fresher's fair and I got there and I was met with like a shiny room. It was like glittery and all the things.
00:20:31
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And I was like I'm gonna sign up for all of the free stuff and they had like bank accounts and overdrafts and like Store cards and like literally everything had something free with it. So initially I signed up for everything So I was like, oh I want to get all the free stuff
00:20:46
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And then I realised that my student loan basically covered my rent and that was it. And I wanted to go out drinking and I got myself into this cycle where I would go drinking. I'd wake up feeling really crap. I'd go shopping to make myself feel better. Then I'd come home and I'd feel really rubbish about the stuff that I'd bought because I didn't really need it. So I'd go out to make myself feel better. And that just carried on for like four years.
00:21:06
Speaker
And I bought so much stuff that I didn't need I spent so
Pandemic Business Challenges
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much money on booze And I was just trying to fit in in any way that I could I fell out really early with my with my housemates And so I moved out of halls into like a shared house for the doctor who was really weird And I think he might have been cooking up chemicals, but I genuinely I don't know what he was up to but he was weird and like it was just
00:21:34
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It was just the fact that like then I was in this house on my own so I had to go out to socialize because otherwise I just felt like I was really lonely all the time. And obviously not knowing that I had ADHD, I had no idea what was going on in my brain. I didn't like my course because I'd signed up to it specifically because I wanted to be a radio presenter. I still want to be a radio presenter.
00:21:57
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It's one of my life goals, but basically I joined the student radio station, loved it, didn't really go to my course. I think I went to like three seminars or something.
00:22:09
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And then hyper-focused on that. So I did radio for like four years until they then one day said to me, oh, there's this job at the Students' Union, like head of media. Do you want it? And I said, yeah, wicked. That'd be amazing. So I applied. And then they came back to me and they said, Maddie, we're really sorry, but you can't have that job. And I said, why? And they said, well, you haven't been a student here for four years. You probably need to leave. Oh, wow. OK.
00:22:36
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So at that point, I went off into the big wide world with nearly 40,000 pounds worth of debt. By this point, I was getting all of the debt collectors letters. I was super stressed. I was like, right, I need to get a job. So I started working for a recruitment agency. That was my first kind of taste of sales. And I worked there for three months. And then one day I went into work and there was a guy in a gray suit and he said, I've come to close down your branch. And we were like,
00:23:07
Speaker
So then I found myself with no money again and living completely hand to mouth. And at that point, the debt collectors letters were so bad, but I couldn't afford to pay the minimum repayment. So I did what every normal person does. And I moved house to get away from it. Like I just moved, I just packed up my stuff and I moved to a completely different city and I thought they'll never find me.
00:23:30
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A couple of months later, they found me. We were living at my boyfriend at the Times house with his parents and his parents were like, get out. We don't want your bad credit crap in our house. We were then homeless and that was that was hard. So we sofa surfed a bit. And then I broke up with that boyfriend because I.
00:23:50
Speaker
just wasn't that keen. He was lovely, really nice guy, but he was not helping my debt situation at all. Then I started working as a training manager for a call center, got very much back into the boozy boozy every night because they were all young, they were all party animals, and it was all a bit fun. And I did that again for another two years, getting myself more and more and more into debt. And one day, I had a bailiff show up at my door.
00:24:20
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And luckily I had one of those little chains that went across the door, so I didn't let him in. But he was like, I'll be back, I'll be back and I'll bring a chainsaw. I was like, he's going to kill me. I think he just meant to knock the door down. But I panicked and I phoned my mum and my mum said, what's the problem? And I told her, I said, you're going to hate me, but I'm in £40,000 worth of debt. And she said, come home now.
00:24:44
Speaker
So I moved from Warrington up north down to Southampton, told my mom everything, which I've been keeping from her. And she was, of course, very, very, very disappointed. But she did the best thing that she could ever do for me. She helped me to write a budget plan and she helped me to work out what to prioritize, how to do it. And I worked out that it was going to take me about 60 years to do it the way that Citizen's Advice told me to do it.
00:25:12
Speaker
right so i came up with all my own stuff and i just became the most savvy saver in the world i went to supermarkets seven times a week did yellow sticker shopping to survive i only bought charity shop stuff i sold all my bits and
00:25:29
Speaker
I just worked really bloody hard to get as much money in the door as I possibly could so I could pay that debt off faster. Yeah. It kind of reminds me a bit of myself because whenever I've ever got into like really bad scrapes, I've always found deep within myself and it's like inner determination and I've always got myself out of it. It's like a psychologist I had, she said, Paul, you've survived this, you survived that, this, that, the other.
00:25:58
Speaker
You shouldn't fear anything by now. And she was totally right. Yeah. And actually, there was a real gift she gave me, actually, till I realized, actually, you're right. Because where I really need to be, I'm so determined. It's the determination. Sometimes I wonder whether I've self-sabotaged in the past to give me that dopamine hit.
00:26:24
Speaker
I do that all the time. I'm a proper self-sabotage. But my story kind of, I worked really hard for four years to pay my debts off. And then basically by cutting everything that I was doing, I reduced going out. I basically invited people over to my house to save money. I would live on 15 pounds a week for food. I mean, now that's probably not possible. It might get you like-
00:26:51
Speaker
Exactly. But this was like mid-2000s. So it was a lot cheaper to do things at that point. And I was hyper-focused. It was literally, that was all it was. My life became about my debts. And I used to really annoy people. They would be so cross with me because all I would say was, no, can't afford to do that. I'm not doing it. I'm prioritizing this. And I changed the way that I looked at money.
00:27:20
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And that lost me some friends because I had to say no to a lot of things. And I changed, just changed the way that I looked at things. But really, it kind of all came to a head when it was 2011. I had about 16,000 pounds worth of debt left out of the 20, out of the 40. So, you know, I was doing pretty well at paying stuff off. I knew that there was light at the end of the tunnel.
00:27:47
Speaker
And my house burned down. I mean technically my house didn't burn down. It was a student flat above me. And they left a barbecue on the roof terrace. Now this is how ADHD I am. I didn't even know there was a roof terrace in my flats. It was only afterwards that it burned down. I was like what roof terrace?
00:28:07
Speaker
And people I lived with were like, Maddie, if you know, I was like, no, I've never been up to my floor. I've never had a reason to go up there. Wow. It's the secret roof terrace that we don't tell Maddie about. Don't tell Maddie about, exactly.
00:28:22
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with the barbecue. Exactly. So I never went up there. I didn't even know it existed. And then all of a sudden it was the thing that like, like, so, you know, my, my, all of my debt was, was gained as a student and then students helped me to pay the last bit off. So thanks students. But the lucky thing was that I had contents insurance and, you know, I lost everything that I owned, like literally everything.
00:28:45
Speaker
My phone, my laptop, my sofa, my bed. I mean, when I went into like, I think it was about four or five days before they let us in to go and have a look at our stuff. And there was a pool of water like this in the middle of my bed from where the fire hoses had gone in. Everything smelled moldy and gross. You know when things are damp and they're not very nice?
00:29:09
Speaker
So I lost everything. And that was the turning point in my story where I realized that actually all of those things, those shoes, those bags, the clothes, the stuff that I bought to make myself feel better, it was all material. And the only thing that I was really, really, really upset about losing was
00:29:31
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the box of stuff that had my photos, my gig tickets, my letters from my grandparents, like all of those things that you can't replace. So like now I'm in the press a lot talking about my story. And they're always like, oh, can you give us some pictures of you when you're at union? I'm like, no, I've got nothing.
00:29:54
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Reminds me of a story, this is a bit of a, well, I think it's relevant. There's a type of Canadian pine tree that has a cone, okay, that only actually, and these pine cones, they can sometimes survive for like 30 years.
00:30:11
Speaker
And they drop their cones. And the only time that these cones actually sprout anything and actually grow is when a forest fire comes along. It's actually dependent. So they get this whole tree that's dependent on a fire coming along. So they get the opportunity to come up and actually grow anew.
00:30:31
Speaker
from that catastrophe. And that's the thing. It was such a pinnacle moment in my story that made me go, wow, I need to start living my life differently. So I managed to pay off the last of the debts with the insurance money that came through. And that was a decision that I made. It was like, do I go and replace all of the stuff and buy nice things?
00:30:55
Speaker
which would feed my ADHD and my then self-diagnosed spending addiction. Or do I do the adult sensible thing and use that money to get rid of my debt, which I think was the good decision. And then I had a base where I could save because I was so used to scrimping and saving, but I thought, do you know what? It's become a way of life.
00:31:20
Speaker
And so I carried on with my scrimping and saving and scrimping and saving everything. And I managed to buy a house within three years.
00:31:28
Speaker
It was a shared ownership house and it was terribly shit and I still live here now. If I could show you the cracks and stuff in it, it's horrible. It seems to me that what you're talking about is you suddenly started dealing with it. You came from a different direction. It's like you changed your inner dialogue and you suddenly came from a caring place.
00:31:51
Speaker
Yeah, it's like Maddie, why don't you start looking after yourself? You know, yeah, you know, because it's the same for me, you know, in lots of different areas, not just finance, because it's because it's like, it's, you know, it feels to me like there are two points. There's the kind of point where you're kind of like almost kind of homeless and you're and you've almost got nothing. So that's like a
00:32:17
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and then you've got the next thing where your house kind of burns down and you kind of lose everything. I was homeless again then as well because about three weeks after my house went, I lost my job and my boyfriend at the same time. I think because I was going through such a stressful situation, clearly my ADHD got more prominent and he was like,
00:32:40
Speaker
I don't need this. So he walked, so he stepped away. And then I was, then I was homeless again. So I did, again, I did the safest thing. Cause it's like, there's a line in the sand that you draw and you kind of go, no.
00:32:58
Speaker
Like I will draw it here. I will never be on that side of the line again. I'm only going to move it this way because I've come so close to the, well, I'm almost losing everything. I mean, you've got a support system with your family there, which is kind of helpful.
00:33:18
Speaker
Yeah, it sounds like sometimes you get to the point because of the way we are at ADHD, you'll play with where that line is too, right? Yeah, I think so. And I've realised...
Coaching & Money App Development
00:33:29
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You know, it's like, oh, why don't we go have a play at the edge of that line for a while? Do I just go there and have a peek again?
00:33:36
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And I think we do that a lot. And I think that's down to the self-sabotage thing. I have had moments where my businesses have been really successful and then all of a sudden they've just failed because I've maybe pushed myself to the line or I've made a decision or I've not read the small print of something.
00:33:55
Speaker
done something else. But what I have learned as well is that I always thought that I was really popular, like without being big headed, I always thought I've got loads of friends and everybody likes me. And it's only been the last two years where I thought, actually, I've only got about 10 friends, but those friends are epic and they even do anything for me.
00:34:16
Speaker
Everybody else is just noise. Yeah. I mean, I got twice as many as I've got. I mean, coming on here bragging about all your 10 friends. I know. I mean, they are all good. I mean, one of them is my husband and I'm still I'm still not sure whether or not my husband actually is with me because I've bullied him to the point where he feels too scared to leave or whether or not he's actually here because he thinks it's because you chained him to. Yeah, he's like.
00:34:43
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like I kidnapped him and then he couldn't leave. He's been actually so amazing. He's been with me every step of the way through my diagnosis, through learning. He learns and I know that I annoy him so much. He's got to the point now where he knows when I'm not listening to him because I go,
00:35:07
Speaker
And he's like, I need to repeat that, don't I? And I'm like, yes, because I was processing it and I didn't hear what you said because I was processing. Amazing. Yeah, he's so good with everything. Sounds like we should have him as well next. Do you know what he actually said to me? He said he would come on my podcast, which I think will be interesting.
00:35:30
Speaker
Yeah, I think having him on my podcast too, I mean, I think I might learn some things and maybe come out the other side not having a husband anymore, but I think it would be, it would be a very interesting, oh yeah, yeah, I mean I could trade him in for upgrade.
00:35:47
Speaker
No, there is no James upgrade. He is one of the most fabulously kind, caring people. And also, he is the complete polar opposite of me. So, I mean, I'm not saying that he likes doing the things that I don't like, but he cooks every day, he cleans every day.
00:36:06
Speaker
I sit on my ass every day and he doesn't really like, I mean, I don't I mean, I do lots of stuff with the kids. I do lots of stuff with work and like all of that kind of stuff. But when it comes to housekeeping, I was definitely not built to be a housewife. And I think if he'd have married me for that reason, I don't think we'd have lasted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Amazing. All right. So at some point you've decided, right, well, I can now I'm I'm in a place where I can help other people.
00:36:36
Speaker
Yeah, so my journey started, my entrepreneurship journey started when I was told about eight years ago that I was getting make redundant from my corporate job. And I said to my husband, I said, I don't want to go back to work. I've spent that job I've been in for four years. But before that, I had job hopped for so many times. I just couldn't find anybody supportive enough to deal with me, basically.
00:37:04
Speaker
And I just thought, nope, I'm not an office person. I'm an over-sharer. I only do the work that I like. Like corporate world is just not for me. Well, I read somewhere or heard it somewhere. You said that you couldn't find anyone that could handle you. Yeah. Which I mean, to me, that's a compliment.
00:37:25
Speaker
It's like with partners as well. It's like somebody who can handle you. It's not like speaking badly of yourself. When I heard you say that, I felt that as well. It's like, yeah, it wasn't just about me being a problem. It was about other people just couldn't handle someone who was a bit, I don't know, thought differently, maybe.
00:37:52
Speaker
Yeah. And that's the thing. And I think I always thought like two steps ahead of people in the corporate world. And I don't think that my managers like the fact that I was like, let's do it this way. And I was trying to because I'm very much an out of the box thinker. And I think that was threatening to some of the people that I worked with in the past. So there was always a
00:38:14
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there was always a bit of a kind of, I don't want to be in the corporate world. It's not really where I need to be. So I said to my husband, I said, right, I'm going to start a business. So the first business I started actually was before that. That was a recruitment agency because I've been in recruitment for ages. I thought I'll start a recruitment agency, but that failed because I hated recruitment. So never start a business as an ADHD that you don't actually like because you won't do it. You need to be able to actually commit to something.
00:38:44
Speaker
My second business was a crafting business. As ADHDers, we always have all the hobbies and I found this thing and I was like, yes, I really love making greetings cards and nice little frames and doing paintings and doing all these nice happy dopamine color type things. Realized very, very quickly that unless I was going to do 7,500 craft fairs every week, that there was not really any money in that. That flopped quite early.
00:39:10
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And then I thought, right, I need to do something with this money, Malaki. I'm good at money and I like money. By this point, I'd had a baby. And that makes you even more ADHD than ever before, because when you get the chance to be out of the corporate world and you get the chance to think and actually put your mind to something, it's when you get creative.
00:39:36
Speaker
That's because you have to, don't you? You do, yeah, exactly. So I'd gone back to work after maternity leave. They put me in a really random job because that was just what you did back then. But actually, for the first time, somebody recognised me in the workplace and said, Maddie could be better if she got a bit of support.
00:39:55
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And I got this work coach who was incredible and he helped me to see my potential because I just always thought I was very crap in the workplace and he was like, no, you are actually amazing. You just need to do the things that you are good at.
00:40:10
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And so I started doing things I was good at, which was e-learning, training, social media, all sorts of creative things. And then I won an award and it was amazing. And then like six weeks later, I got made redundant. But by that point, I had had the idea that I was going to set up a discount card for people to help them to shop local.
00:40:32
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because I loved small businesses and I loved supporting independence. So I thought, right, let's do this. So I started to make money from something that I loved doing and the passion was there and the drive was there and it was amazing. And I ran that business for nearly five years.
00:40:51
Speaker
The first three years were growth, growth, growth. So far, I started off in my county, then I moved to the county up next to me. Then I dominated the whole of the UK and I went UK-wide. I won 15 business awards. It was... Wow.
00:41:08
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dopamine central the whole way. I even had my own award ceremony, which was epic. And then I decided to franchise because it was doing so well. I thought, do you know what? I could have local discount cards for every area of the country.
00:41:24
Speaker
And everybody was like, that is an amazing idea. That would be really great. And then three weeks after I signed all the contracts, we went into lockdown where you can't shop local at all because we had to stay in our houses for like two years on off on off.
00:41:40
Speaker
During that time, I'd committed to having an app built, which was a money pit. We weren't earning enough money to pay it back, and I just ended up getting in so much. The business was really struggling. So we crowdfunded to try and get ourselves out of the position that we were in. It wasn't crowdfunding because we were in debt. We weren't in debt by that point. It was just that we were struggling a bit.
00:42:05
Speaker
We needed to get some money to pay for the app. And I didn't choose the right people to build the app with me and they weren't. They were sharky. They were super sharky. So again, my ADHD kind of played a part there because I trusted people and it didn't really work. So that was kind of the start of the downfall. And then.
00:42:25
Speaker
I felt a sense of loyalty to all of the people who had invested in crowdfunding because they'd put their money in to support me. So I carried on going, even though it was dire. I did everything I possibly could to save that business, including taking out loans, credit cards and lovely ADHD as it is. I didn't read the small print on anything. So when I finally made the decision to close that business, personal guarantees all over the show.
00:42:54
Speaker
So I ended up in 35 grand worth of debt again, which was not fun. But I wasn't as scared of it because I knew that I'd done it before and I could do it again. But it was a very, very big lesson in making sure that the attention to detail is done when you're starting a business. It's me, Maddie, that you do all of this and a lot of times because you know you can get out of it.
00:43:24
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Because you've done it. Well, I mean, I didn't do that on purpose. No, no, totally. But yeah, I think I think there is there is a part of me that thinks, you know, even when you're at your lowest, you can pull yourself back out again. Yeah. And and the thing that I'm not suggesting that's why you did it. You had you had you gave yourself room to fail because, you know, you can get yourself out.
00:43:54
Speaker
And I say this to all of my clients now. So my main business now, I run an ADHD. Well, it's not just ADHD. It's neurodivergent money app called Mad About Money. But my main business is I coach ADHD in either business or money.
00:44:12
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And the thing that made me realize that I had to change something was my mother-in-law passing away. She passed away really suddenly and it just suddenly made me think I'm grieving for a business that I did everything I could.
00:44:28
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And i did everything to save it and i had loads of haters i had loads of haters afterwards because loads of people lost their money but sadly investing is a risk like whatever wherever you are if you decide to invest in something it is there is a risk that it's going to fail.
00:44:47
Speaker
It was hard. That was the biggest rejection sensitivity dysphoria. Knowing that I had let that many people down was horrific. But it was kind of a situation where I was like, I can't dwell on that. Because if I dwell on that, I'm not going to be around anymore. I had a nervous breakdown. I ended up in hospital. I didn't want to be around at all. So
00:45:10
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you know, without going into too much detail on that lowest point of my life, feeling like I'd let that many people down, all for something that I genuinely really believed in. I needed to kick myself up the bum and go out and do something else. And that's when I started my TikTok as a bit of a distraction. So I just started coming and talking about my money tips and everything's just kind of come from there, really. Amazing. Amazing. Do you ever stop and say, Maddie, you're amazing.
00:45:40
Speaker
I don't stop ever, like literally don't stop. You never have that moment though. It's like sometimes, for instance, I could be walking along the road and I could be in a happy place and I stop myself and dwell on that. It's like, Paul, why don't you just dwell on that? You're in a happy place. I don't, I'm sure.
00:46:03
Speaker
I probably should. In the last year, I've had loads of amazing things happen. The launch of Mad About Money app has been amazing. We've done it on a shoestring. I sold another business. During the whole crash of the other business, I'd set up an app called Parenthood, which was a parenting app because I ran a parenting community and I thought, I've got kids. I don't like them that much, but I've got kids.
00:46:31
Speaker
So I thought I'll just do this other business, but it was really successful, but I didn't enjoy it. My passion wasn't parenting. So I ended up selling that app to pay for this one. Amazing. That was the start of that. Then I'm in the press a lot, I'm on BBC Radio a lot, I've had my own documentary.
00:46:59
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just about to launch a children's book talking about money, which is, I think, something that's really needed. Right. You haven't got time to congratulate yourself. No, I don't. I mean, I literally don't. But I only have two kind of mentality. I've got like Duracell Bunny mode, or I've got flat battery mode. Same as me. Yeah.
00:47:20
Speaker
And I think that's very much similar for a lot of people who have ADHD. And I've just done my neurodiversity in the workplace training as well. So I'm now CPD accredited for neurodiversity, which is like, it means I can help more people, not just with ADHD, but with all neurodivergent conditions as well. To help other people, you come from an amazing place because you've done it all.
00:47:44
Speaker
This is the thing. There are so many coaches out there and there are lots of people that I really respect in the coaching world who go out and talk about how much money they make. I never talk about how much money I make because so many of my followers are on the bread line and they don't make very much money at all.
00:48:03
Speaker
So I don't want to give my followers who are mainly ADHD as projection sensitivity dysphoria because they're seeing me making loads of money and they're not making it. Instead, I talk to them about how they can make it as well. So my money tips are not just ADHD money. It's also about how people can increase their income, how they can find the side hustle, how they can
00:48:26
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because for some people making it is a much lower bar and you know sometimes it's a low bar it doesn't have to be you know a billionaire a millionaire or having this that and the other sometimes it's a customer a very humble low bar of of making it
00:48:44
Speaker
For me, I've now been self-employed for eight years and my husband said to me, if it ever doesn't work, you need to go back to work and I'm still here. In my mind, I'm successful. I don't earn millions. I don't talk about the exact amounts that I earn because I think it's a bit
00:49:06
Speaker
bit icky at times. You see people and they're like, I'm not materialistic at all. You won't see me, even if I did make a million pounds, you won't see me flying off somewhere on a private jet or you won't see me covered in Gucci. It's just not my bag. Plus I love Sainsbury's clothes.
00:49:24
Speaker
Yeah. Despite my rant earlier about saying twice. I'm going to jump in the skipping rope here. Yeah. So I just want to kind of like, so the app. Yes. Your app.
Neuro-Inclusive Financial Platform
00:49:40
Speaker
So what type of people are going to
00:49:53
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So it isn't, we're a neuro inclusive app. So what that means is that we allow neurotypicals in, you know, we're not going to say to them, just because you've got a neurotypical brain doesn't mean you can't come in. But we talk more about supporting neurodivergence with their money than anything else. So it is, we started off being neurodivergent friendly. And then I took a step back and I went, no, because that kind of means like the neurodivergent people, you know, you're kind of welcome, you can come in.
00:50:18
Speaker
And I thought, no, we need to flip it around. So neuro-inclusive, which basically means anybody, but we do focus a lot on neurodivergence, about how it affects your money. And basically what the app is, it's a social media platform. So it's like Facebook, but for money. So we talk about money saving tips, we talk about money making tips, we talk about investments and pensions and savings and all the sorts of things that people struggle with. We've got a community that can help people.
00:50:48
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We also do discounted vouchers so people can save on their supermarket shopping. At the moment, that is only UK, but we are going to be growing it across the world. I love that. I've had recent TikToks, just like a list of all the places where kids can go and eat for free.
00:51:07
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For some people, that's a kind of limit of what they could call her. And every day, a daily success would be, I can go and eat somewhere. And from a place of care, actually, eat for free, not feel bad that you can't go to this restaurant or that restaurant. And it's actually the resources, actually, if people are you, point them out.
00:51:36
Speaker
Yeah. So Mad About Money is free. So it's free to download. We have loads of resources. We have loads of templates. So we've got stuff like budget trackers, spending trackers, meal planners, all sorts of stuff. And you can either download it as a PDF and edit it online, or you can print it off in paper form so that people can do what they need to do there.
00:51:57
Speaker
We have regular seminars, we've got free access to work support. There's so much that you can get free. We are going to be launching a subscription, which is basically handholding if you're trying to pay off debts or if you're trying to save, where we're going to do weekly calls so that we can help people and delve a bit deeper into people's situations.
00:52:19
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Which sounds a lot more than just an app. A hell of a lot. It sounds like... It's a community. Right, okay. Because it's kind of app, it doesn't even cover it, you know. I mean, it's an app called an app. It's a bridge. It's a bridge to a community.
00:52:38
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Yeah. And it's somewhere like one of the things when I was paying off all of my debts that was really, really difficult was doing it on my own. So we celebrate people's wins. Like every single Friday we do wins of the week. Like they don't have to be money related. They can just be like life related. We get people talking about their successes. We, you know, we have rant days where people can just come on and rant about the thing that they need support with. We do get the odd people, you know, and we also do a lot of giveaways as well. So we do like
00:53:05
Speaker
voucher giveaways to help people with food and all of that sort of stuff. And we've got seven and a half thousand users, which is all been organic. And I built that from my TikTok. So that sounds like, you know, if anyone's after a kind of like a starting place to kind of get control of their money.
00:53:29
Speaker
That sounds like a great place to check out. It's not just for people who are in debt or saving, it's for people who want to make more money. It's like wherever you are in your money journey, from right at the bottom to right at the end. We've even got a space for people who want to invest in small businesses or invest in projects. It really is the full spectrum of money in a community where people support each other.
00:53:57
Speaker
And it's we've taken away all of the social pressures like likes and follows. And so it's like a social media platform, but it's just all about support and education. So there's no like, oh, I can't post this because it's not going to get any likes. I can't do this because it's not about growing a following. It's about it's a movement, essentially. All right. And that's amazing, Maddie. That's amazing. Really. And then I'm guessing if you want more like one on one time
00:54:27
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with you, you're there. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so I do power hours. They start from 150 depending on what you need support with. I do bigger packages for lots of people. But to be honest, if you're in the debt zone or like the savings zone, there's so much free content that will help you. You don't really need me one-to-one.
00:54:50
Speaker
So my one to ones tend to be more like business focused or like helping to support people to go their TikToks or start a side hustle, kind of like the more business side. So and I do work with people through access to work as well. So if you want me as a coach, like the government pay for it. Fantastic. Wow. OK, I think is it just before we start on the whole wrapping up part, is there anything else
00:55:18
Speaker
That you would like to say that you that you that you haven't yeah, so I think like my big tips for because I think one of the biggest things that people with ADHD struggle with is spending and Emotional spending the dopamine like spending to get that satisfaction and that gratification and so my biggest tips for that would be
00:55:44
Speaker
be more conscious and be more mindful with your spending decisions. Start tracking your finances, start writing down what you're spending, analyze patterns. Are you spending because you're bored? Are you spending because you're sad or because your period's due on or because you're happy? One of my spending triggers is being happy. I like to spend money when I'm happy or when I'm stressed.
00:56:06
Speaker
So by identifying those spending triggers, you can start to understand your journey with money a bit more. And you can start putting things in place to limit your spending. So I don't have any of my cards attached to apps or Amazon or supermarkets, like Apple Pay, anything like that. Make it more difficult.
00:56:27
Speaker
I make it more difficult. I put blocks in place for my spending. I unsubscribe from marketing emails. Every single month, I check my subscriptions to make sure that I'm not wasting money on something that I shouldn't be. At one point, I realized I had all of the TV stuff, and I was like, I don't watch all of the TV stuff, so that saved me a fortune. Regularly review your gas and electric, regularly review your TV package,
00:56:51
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your broadband all of those things make sure you're on the best price and follow my tick-tock mad about money official because I talk about all of these things and Very openly without having to pay any money, you know, I just show up and give people support. So yeah No, I mean, you know, it's kind of Reminded me of something and perhaps you can help with this so Paul and I are at two different places about
00:57:21
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You know, so for example, I put quite a lot of my spending stuff on automatic payment out of my bank account, right? Like my utility bills and all that, like there's a lot of that stuff which is automatic and will go out, right? And I know that Paul, as well as the opposite, quite a few people that I know
00:57:46
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in the same place who, yes, as Paul says, very much the opposite and feel like they want to control who they pay and when.
00:57:59
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Risky for an ADHD brain, I think. So the way that I have it set up is that all of my bills and all of my direct debits are all set up from one account. But what I do is I take out in cash every single month my spending money and I cash stuff for my fund fund, which I call my rainbow fund,
00:58:24
Speaker
which has basically like my, you know, my eyelashes. So like, I can't show up on TikTok without any eyelashes, like mine are broke to me. So I use it for like paying for stuff for the kids. I've got a fun for everything. I've even got an ice cream pot because I know that when I'm out and about the kids might want ice cream. So I budget for that. So it's about becoming more conscious with your spending, but actually allocating money for fun as well because you want to enjoy your life.
00:58:51
Speaker
And you don't want to be restricted. And budgets, I think that's a really common misconception is that budgets are boring and they're restrictive. A budget can be whatever hell you want it to be. Sorry, I almost said a naughty word then. But you know, it's, oh, that's all right then. Yeah. Budgets can be whatever the fuck you want them to be. Like they are like literally the, like you create your own budget. So, you know, if somebody says like, what should be in a budget?
00:59:18
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I mean, yes, you should have your everyday living expenses, your bills, your outgoings, make sure you've got protection for things. So like mortgage protection, income protection, pensions, think about those, think about saving for the future. But as far as your spending money comes, you allocate that to what you want to allocate it to. It shouldn't be restrictive.
00:59:42
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I guess I just want to go back to what I was saying before. This could sound as if we're giving practical advice, but I think it's way much more than that. I think what I was mentioning at the beginning was like, it's coming from a place of care.
00:59:58
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Yes, absolutely. Because you know what you're avoiding, it actually gives yourself a chance to maybe breathe a little bit more at the end of the month, or whatever it needs to be. And that's the thing. I preach about this all the time, but set up little pots. You can do this with most banks nowadays, like Starling Monzo, Revolut. They've all got little pots that you can set up.
01:00:26
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Christmas fund. So start saving for Christmas now. If you start saving for Christmas now, you're not going to get to December and think, oh God, I've got no money. And then January is going to be a stretch because you've spent all your Christmas money and then you've been paid early and all sorts of things. Have a birthday fund. So like, you know, you've got money set aside for people's birthdays. I mean, my family, I think I've pretty much got a birthday every single month.
Financial Tips & ADHDville Theme Park
01:00:51
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So I have a birthday fund.
01:00:53
Speaker
Think about the things that you need to spend money on and then work out how to organize your life and how to set your budget. Because then you're being conscious with your spending. It doesn't matter what you're spending it on. I never judge anybody. People can spend it on if you want to do bad things and you want to have a bad things fund, whatever. But it's all about individual choice.
01:01:18
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Yeah, I know. I'm going to end this podcast and do it now. Yeah, there you go. So whatever you want to do, as long as you are allocating money to that so that you know where you're at and you're checking your bank account, you're checking your statements, you're knowing where that money's going. Because otherwise, you're just firing into mid-air and not knowing where you're going to land.
01:01:42
Speaker
But for me, for me, you know, my diagnosis is last, well, it was October last year, so it's all quite box fresh. And I feel like I've got a handle on most, a lot of it or a handle, enough of a handle on most of it feels to me like my finances, personal finance is my biggest block.
01:02:03
Speaker
That's going to be my biggest thing. Have you downloaded the app yet? No, I'll go to. I'll go to, definitely. I know, I know. But I've really resisted to it. That's the point. I'm so resistant to it. You'll find it fun. It's a really nice, supportive community. And that's the thing, we don't make money boring. We make it supportive, inclusive. Talking about money is not a taboo subject in our app at all. Yeah. Well, when you were describing it, I was thinking, Paul, you need to do this.
01:02:30
Speaker
Yeah, you do, you do. And we also talk a lot about neurodivergence, you know, people will come in and they'll talk about their problems. And, you know, it's a community where like minded people help each other with the shit that they're going through, essentially. Nice, which is great to finish up. I guess that part is amazing. Fantastic. So we just have one last question. So what we do is right at the end is
01:02:59
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is as you're now in, you're now a citizen of ADHDville. So that means you can set up a place or residence or business here. I know, so our last guest, Michael from, or artistically me, he set up a secondhand bookstore
01:03:25
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called the Broken Spines. Yeah. And someone else opened up a tequila and tapas bar. Right. So what would you like to set up in ADHDville?
01:03:49
Speaker
It could be only from like just a nice home or it could be like a business. No, that's boring. That's really boring. Honestly, have you got... Yeah, have you got a theme park yet? No, not yet. But I feel that we're gonna get one.
01:04:05
Speaker
You are. So my theme park is going to be free. So everybody can have fun for free. Not just for kids, not just for adults. Everybody is free. Dogs are welcome as well. And the slush puppies are on tap. You can't just have as many of them as you want.
01:04:24
Speaker
It's a really, really nice environment. Even the cherry ones, even cherry slush puppies. All of them, all of the slush puppies are free and it just helps all of those parents who are really struggling because they want to take their kids out somewhere nice that they can't afford to. So the food is free. There is also, there's loads of neurodivergent friendly pods that if you get overwhelmed with the noise of a theme park, you can go and like to chill out.
01:04:49
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Yeah. We're so inclusive. I like that. I like that. I'll be there all the time. Beautiful. It's going to be great. And I'm going to call it rainbow land. Rainbow land. Rainbow land. Yeah. Fabulous. Fabulous.
01:05:05
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I'm excited. I want to go to Rainbow Land now. Who doesn't? Yeah. Especially for the three cherry slush puppies. I haven't had one of those for about 30 years. I think that's why it's called Rainbow Land because there's rainbow slush puppies. You can get any flavour. You can mix and match them as well if you want to. No one's going to shout at you. I think the last slush puppy I had was about 30 years ago. Oh, missing out. Yeah, I really have.
01:05:35
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They're really good. What's that sugar for an ADHD brain? Brilliant. Yeah, it's all good. Yeah. I remember as a kid, me and my brother and my friend, I think were outside the shop and we dared my brother to go in and ask for a slash puppy. And we decided to call it the bollock bustling
01:05:59
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blackcurrant, I think it was. He went in and went, can I have a bollock blasting blackcurrant? And he got kicked out empty handed. Oh, how rude. I'd have given him a bollock blasting blackcurrant. That's a mouthful, that. Jesus. Amazing. All right. Well, let's jump in. I very much enjoyed this podcast. Thank you so much for having me.
01:06:25
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It's been absolute pleasure, total pleasure. I think we'll have you on again, because I think at some point we'd like to talk about entrepreneurialism as well. Yes, yes, I love that idea. Cool. All right. I think we can kind of skip most of the ending, I feel like. Yeah, because we go way over time. I know. Yeah, we have, I'm sorry. There's one more one, and that's like a good angel number, so.
01:06:55
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There we go. All right. So I'm going to hit our outro and I'm going to say that ADHD, so thank you to Maddie, first of all, for coming on. Thank you. That was great. Loved it. Hopefully there's a lot of great advice in there and certainly a place to go.
01:07:14
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01:07:33
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YouTubes. All right, revisit us on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, blah, blah, blah, blah. But in the meantime, be fucking kind to yourself. I don't beseech you, fellow ADHDers. Know thyself, sons of the hounds. Come hither and get the flesh. All right. See you guys. Yeah, I don't know what that's about either. But hey, this is what this podcast is all about. All right.
01:08:03
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There, says the mayor. That's that.