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Speaker: Welcome everybody to another night of cold-blooded conversations. It's your host Wally. I'm my co-host Johnny. How's everybody doing tonight? ah Hey, what's up, Megan? Megan, good to see you.
Speaker: Hopefully everybody's doing okay and everything else. Tonight we're just going to kind of talk about random things. First things first, Johnny, akke you remember last Thursday we were talking about that one town had those walls that township was passing?
Speaker: Well, they went ahead and passed them without having their public meeting like they were legally supposed to. So now all the animals are banned in that, in that County. me I just found out out yesterday.
Speaker: So. whatness Yep. They're, they went ahead and they're like, they were supposed to, and they pushed their agenda through. and from what I was reading from the U S art page, um,
Speaker: Nobody's getting grandfathered in with whatever animals that they have that are blacklisted. um If they do, they're going to pay thousands and thousands of dollars just to have the permits to keep them.
Speaker: so You think there'll be any backlash over this issue? There should be. I mean, damn. They're even considering leopard geckos as a blacklist animal.
Speaker: Yeah. Yep.
Speaker: yes Yeah, have the list the list that they gave for what is not allowed, a leopard gecko, a bearded dragon, um just all kinds of random common, your common beginner pets, reptiles. Yeah, they they outlawed them even.
Speaker: That's kind of stupid. yeah I can't even figure out why.
Speaker: then Back to that fear thing again. Well, I mean, that's like where...
Speaker: like Australia, you're only allowed to keep the animals that actually live in that country, but where Megan's at in Australia. What? Yeah, you can't import nothing or anything. oh Import in or out of any animals.
Speaker: Yeah, you have to keep whatever... The bearded dragons, the blue-tongued skinks, your venomous snakes, everything. That's the only thing you're allowed to keep in Australia.
Speaker: I mean, I kind of get why they did that, it' fun to say yeah i
Speaker: but at the same time, it's like there's more people out there that would you know like to expand their horizon, but I get it.
Speaker: yeah Yeah, you're right. And the sad part is there's a couple of snakes out there. i Once they bite you, within 10 steps, you're dead. Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, I could see that. They don't really want all of those to be mass produced out to a bunch of people. Well, like she said, it's the they don't so they don't end up with the damn situation like in Florida, the protection of the native species.
Speaker: And i um i I totally agree with But, I mean, they do have some cool-ass animals, though. I mean, all some of the reptile channels I follow, they've gone over there and seen them in the wild and stuff.
Speaker: I actually follow two guys that actually live in Australia, and they go out herping to see the you know all all the nature that Australia has to offer.
Speaker: But, yeah, it was just stupid. they Yeah, they outlawed leopard geckos.
Speaker: I don't get that. Out of all the dangerous stuff there is. Yeah. Leopard geckos, bearded dragons, um anything anything gecko-wise, crested geckos is on this blacklist.
Speaker: it wass It's insane to see that they went that far with the stuff.
Speaker: And that's what's happening everywhere.
Speaker: just trying to wrap my mind around that. I don't i don't understand that.
Speaker: Yeah, it's just... It's that thing thing again. ah Yeah, Komodo dragons are one of my favorites. I'd love to go to Komodo Island and actually see them. ah They are a they arere a fun animal indeed. Very few and...
Speaker: very few and far people has been able to actually go to Komodo Island and actually explore that island for special permission just because they're protected. yes I can understand that if we're talking about conservation.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. Well, they they are because their saliva is so bad. They actually have venom in their saliva because of what's in there. yeah and Doesn't just sound like a place I want to go walking around at.
Speaker: Yeah, Megan, the red-bellied black snake and the tight and the inland taipan, those are the two deadliest snakes you guys got that are on the top ten. I mean, there's others.
Speaker: There's like the western taipan and all that stuff, but the main one is the coastal taipan. They're... I can't even know, go yeah. Red-bellies ain't even... And the bad part with the red-bellied black snake... stupid asthal It looks like a normal black snake until you pick it up with a hook and it's all red underneath.
Speaker: Yeah, you're right. Taipans as a species. Yeah, that whole that whole genus is is a nightmare. um But yeah it's ah yeah, they've got some interesting animals over there.
Speaker: Yeah. Huh? Yep.
Speaker: I think that's that's part of the whole um evolutionary thing, if we we want to say it that way, is these animals look harmless until something's dried up close to them enough to where it's too late, and then they have a free meal.
Speaker: Well, not only that, like we've talked a couple times before, a lot of your non-venomous or anything like that, they're mimicking the venomous snakes and stuff to try to protect themselves.
Speaker: Yeah. Oh, yeah. But, yeah, they... But over there, yeah they've got so many non-venomous species. They mimic the colors of the red belly, of the taipans.
Speaker: um I mean, there's there's been all kinds. of you That's why they say when you go herping in Australia, you better know what you're exactly looking for. o The famous ones are the coral and the king snake, yeah?
Speaker: That's your mistakes. Oh, yeah, they always do. And bad part is, is the majority of the Taipans and shit you got to go find. They're out in the middle of the fucking, like a desert area. There's like no life out there.
Speaker: But yeah there's so many neat animals. That and the, oh, what's the one, the monitor that they got out there? It's like a major protective area.
Speaker: they call their They call their monitors iguanas out there and over in Australia. But they have one that's very protected. So it's ah it's pretty neat. There's one actually in captivity known in the States that was actually donated.
Speaker: It's in Florida at one of the zoos down in Florida, the guy does. i have to send you pictures, Johnny. It's pretty neat. One of the monitors? Yeah. Yeah. nice Yeah, it's almost like white with black all the way around it and everything else. The blue tongue skinks, those things are so popular over here in the States in the pet trade. Megan, it's not phony.
Speaker: every They're like ball pythons everywhere you turn turn in and everything else that they... You get them. They're just as popular, too.
Speaker: oh yeah. know we're gonna try we're so far we are trying but yeah they um they've got so They've got quite the neat animals over there. It'd be cool to go over and actually see them out in the wild.
Speaker: Yeah. Oh, hell yeah
Speaker: yeah. Oh, the lizard. Oh, yeah, that is one too. yeah I forgot about that. There is a blue-tongued lizard. see The Perenti. I used to love catching the anoles.
Speaker: It's called a Perenti monitor. It is one of the
Speaker: No, only with you, Lazy.
Speaker: But no, it's it's called, a it's ah they're called Perenties. They're the top of the food chain right behind Komodo's and size and stuff.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: oh yeah
Speaker: Ghost, that's always Lazy's first ah thought. that's His mind's in the gutter all the time
Speaker: time. But yeah, I mean, it would be cool. It'd be cool as hell to go explore. I know it's expensive. elliot That'd be awesome. yeah
Speaker: I bet it does.
Speaker: Oh. But yeah. they but yeah that Back to that ordeal. yeah With that county and stuff. ge know That opens the... The bad part is that opens the door to so many other places to push shit through without even having to go through the process though.
Speaker: Since they went ahead and did that shit. Oh yeah. It leaves things ah less restricted than they were before. yeah. Well, I mean, that at least some places, if they do put laws, at least they're giving people the chance to ah work with it and everything else.
Speaker: But at the same time, this just proves, well, they're using their power, governmental power, to push things through without the public's knowledge. See, and let's just say those that have spent their life and their their passion to...
Speaker: study and become experts, if you will, in these field of cares, um all of sudden have that revoked. And that's what a lot of these, that is what's going on with this. It's once again, the reputable people, the good keepers and everything else are being punished because of the irresponsibility and plus the lack of education.
Speaker: That's the thing. It's just, there's no, Nobody wants to take the time to understand why these people do this. It's no different no different than you doing tattoos, no different than, but besides me, the motorsport stuff.
Speaker: Yeah, they come after us for the motorsport stuff because of all the mods, things like that. But they're willing to listen on that side. When it comes to this side of stuff, they don't listen.
Speaker: No, because then you have very heavy odds that are in hands and They're trying to take the safest route, I guess. They think they are, but really what they're doing is the if you think about it, these places that are putting these laws in, these guys have got businesses and they, yeah why you're paying their taxes, but yet they're wanting to take away that money. They're so worried about, you know what I mean?
Speaker: just yeah Just that kind of shit. Yep. takes their money away from them, and but yet you they don't care because they don't know what, once again, it's that uneducated, they don't they fear what they don't understand.
Speaker: it And well, how do I say? To a certain extent, it ass sure, it goes from ignorance, but it's a very fine line between ignorance and actual, you know, life, value, skill type of ordeal. Right. Because then then you misunderstand something that could either be harmless or extremely deadly. oh and That's what I get. i mean, they need to, to an extent, like, yeah, that's exactly it. they's done
Speaker: And they don't want to understand it. And that's the that is the that's the biggest dilemma biggestas dilemma with a lot of this stuff is they don't want to understand it. And so they're punishing everybody because of it.
Speaker: Yes. There's deeper pages in the book of what they're trying to look at, and they don't care to look at the rest. Right. But, I mean, that's the thing. It's just... It's getting more and more out of hand. i mean Yeah.
Speaker: Well, yeah. At some point, you gotta ask yourself, and the system of things, is this really reasonable anymore? Yeah.
Speaker: Agreed.
Speaker: That's just like now one of the places I follow too out of that ordeal. Big corporate chains are stepping in now into the reptile community and stuff um and stepping on people's toes, basically chasing out your small-time businesses, your mom's policy shops.
Speaker: See? Yeah. And the that part is the bad part is all these years, these companies didn't want nothing to do with it. And now all of a sudden they're seeing what's being done on the corporate side. so they're So now they're jumping in to push out the little people.
Speaker: oh See, here's what I've noticed from Wally Brothers is that the reptile community shows two things to me. It shows passion and it shows education, right?
Speaker: so And it showed both of those in the same hand. Well, when you have something come up that is starting to go corporate like this, and just by doing that, it's destroying both the passion and the education of things because it wants to corporalize it all. And you can't genuinely keep something when you're under that type of image, you know?
Speaker: Right. It's all um it's our monopoly now. That's like one of my favorite YouTubers. I've stopped watching him because he has Chewy as his main sponsor now.
Speaker: Chewy.com is now his main is one of his main primary sponsors. so For a reptile? Yeah, I quit watching them because they sell ah they sell reptile supplies and everything else, but yet he He was always support your local, and now he's got them as a main representation.
Speaker: And now he does talkings for them and everything else. I'm done watching them. I unsubscribed to them because of it. That's the thing. Once you go corporate, you go, I hate to use the term brainwash, but you have to act by every act that they tell you to do.
Speaker: i know, and that's the and that's the bad part. He was never like that until he got them as a sponsor. He just got paid. They paid an all-expense trip for him if TPR is listening and you're the only Canadian I like.
Speaker: specific particular Because this keeper is actually out of Canada that was, like me, like most of the other people, you know, small business. I get he's trying to do what he is.
Speaker: But, no, this week past weekend they had a show out in California. Chewy paid his all-expense trip from Canada, spent the whole weekend from Thursday Sunday night, flew everything to be at their booth at this reptile show that they used to never have a part in.
Speaker: Yeah. So, I mean, I get trying to make self of something of yourself, but the same time, like I consider that a sell-out.
Speaker: It is. It
Speaker: And the guy's a great dude. He's a great dude. I get it. But at the same time, all you're doing is hurting people. oh Well, once again, it's all the smaller fine print, you know? Once you sign under something like that, then you have a bunch of these things that don't do this, do this this certain way. do You know what I mean?
Speaker: Well, that's like you go into Petco. You go into these corporate chains. The way you were taught the proper way to take care animals, I get there there just to flip.
Speaker: But the care is not proper. But yet you're going to be supported, support these people by letting them be your sponsor? No. Wally, that goes into... Basically... Go ahead.
Speaker: go ahead All I was going to say is that a little a little example of that is, let's say, people who who have dumpster dived at at some of these pet chains. Dude, it you find fucking live animals out in the fucking back of the dumpster, dude.
Speaker: Look how many fish are found. There's people that ah they've made YouTube videos of the fish that's just been thrown out. It's sickening, man. It's sickening. But the thing, the only thing I like, ah i will give Chewy credit for it is they're not into selling animals, but they're herding. They're in the herding of the supply and demand of our cages, supplies, shit like that, that we could buy directly from say, Zoom Ed, Universal Rock, Dubai.
Speaker: i get it. They're selling their products. And you can get a little bit cheaper, but that's also hurting, you know, the main stable of those businesses. yeah right How do I say business in the, in the um underbelly of it gets extreme about that shit. They do. impact through corality enough They fucking do shit about it. but but Right. and it's and And it's just, that's like my small pet store here.
Speaker: They have a hell of a time getting supplies because they're not a big corporate chain. Like on the reptile side, even though they've got stuff set up and everything, they still have a hard time getting fluker bulbs, getting zoo men, you know, the name brand stuff that's, you know, they're for us keepers.
Speaker: They have even a hard time because they're not Petco. They're not this and that, you know. Right. ah You just said Zoo Med. When I was doing the whole leopard gecko thing, that was one of the primary ah primary brands I used. And you're right. It's the only place I could find it.
Speaker: Yeah. And I have my beardies and shit are in Zoo Meds and everything. That's what they're in. And Exo Terra. They're in those. But now you can go on Chewy, buy the exact same things.
Speaker: My problem is it's back to people don't want to get out. The thing of it is when you have this shit shipped because they're glass, I've seen so many complaints because of the what they use, the companies they use to ship them, they don't take care of the shit and end up with broken, broken products.
Speaker: Yeah. Instead of, instead of getting off their ass and driving 10, 20 minutes, half hour go get what you need. yeah Here's my thing. As as a company,
Speaker: As a company, you should feel some sort of way about that. Your your um your inventory is being damaged. Yeah. ah yet You'd think, especially with Chewy being your supplier, being like your middleman to get to the consumer, because they use UPS, FedEx, whatever, and the way it's packaged and stuff coming from Chewy.
Speaker: Yes. It's not done properly and it's mishandled wrong. And you when you go to put it together, you've got broken glass. You've got broken broken support systems. I mean, I've seen it. I've seen online the reviews of the shipments.
Speaker: But that's the way everything is now. If you can get it offline and have it shipped to your house without going out, people are doing still it. I'm okay with certain things, but when it comes to...
Speaker: Fragile shit like that, I'm gonna willing, if I need to buy, I'm gonna go buy it and bring it home that way. Then I know it's gonna come home in one piece. Well, yeah.
Speaker: I mean, how do I say? ah From one end and perspective, of course, with the geckos and raising them, but from another point perspective, I used to help my uncle emulate full ecosystems inside of huge, huge terrariums.
Speaker: Yeah, you gotta... That's the thing. gotta... any anymore now people aren't actually going to greenhouses oh look they got an online store we're going order them and have them shipped now who's saying you're actually going to get what you picked off the store i like personally going and looking you know myself and picking what i'm paying for so i know i'm getting getting something good that is the one thing that we prided ourself on whenever we do this is that we fully researched every single thing that went in that tank
Speaker: and nature that we bought from sustainable reputable um stable um sources well that's like with the whole morph market man the buy off of that and everything else it gives you the opportunity to buy off good breeders that take pride in their animals
Speaker: that's another reason why i talked about you know the things that go into the tank because i've seen From, of course, let's say my leopard geckos once again. When they aren't happy and they aren't thriving, you can tell.
Speaker: You can very much tell. You can tell with them all. I mean, in a way you can with your snakes, but lizards and shit like that, your turtles and stuff, you can see the way they act.
Speaker: I mean, sometimes you can, because you got a smaller animal, you put it in a smaller area, it thrives better until it's bigger. You put one of those in a bigger area because, oh it's going to get big.
Speaker: It doesn't thrive as well. It wants to hide all the time. It won't eat. Then it ends up sick because it's not eating. But, yeah, it's just getting ah it's getting to the point that big corporate is going to be running running everything like it already does with a lot of shit.
Speaker: Yeah. being for something that is literally nature itself. That's, that's, that's me, man. Yeah. I mean, like I said, Chewy's your supply and middleman kind of deal. Yeah. You can kind of save money with it and everything else, but still don't say you're, it just pisses me off when you say you're there for the people because you started out as them. Why would you go and get that person as a sponsor? You know what I mean? And then, then start doing shit for them.
Speaker: it' It says a lot about it. It does. It says that you stand behind the corporeality about it instead of the genuineness of of the field of self. Right. and I mean, I get it. i mean, you need to make money, too, to supply what you're doing because you're not going to sit and keep making millions, you know, bunch of money off your YouTube channel.
Speaker: But still, it's just the principle of the matter. You contradict yourself. Yeah.
Speaker: yeah I mean, if he would have explained, hey, this is going to help me progress my channel, everything else, doing this, I get it. But at the same time, who's to say in that fine line when they're going to say, well, you can't do this now because we're sponsoring you. So it's going biting them in the ass if he's not careful.
Speaker: very yeah Very much so. Well, this is the guy I was telling you about had that Fiji Iguana that we can't have here in the States.
Speaker: um It's Adam Wickens. Wickens Wicked Reptiles out of Canada when I was telling TPR about it.
Speaker: But yeah, he's sponsored by Chewy and Elso.
Speaker: But he's he wants to he says he wants to use have they're the help him where he can go, you know travel to different countries, understand things. But like I said, how long are they going to allow that sponsorship money to go that far?
Speaker: And then you're going to be considered just corporate sellout. You know what i mean? Yeah. Oh, yeah. ah I'm sorry, but once again, when it comes to the whole working with your passion, working with the passion of Mother Nature, that's the last thing you want to be.
Speaker: Right. It doesn't look good. I get it. Get sponsored like by Zoom and ExoTerra. Venom Life, which is your right on the rate with your snake hooks and shit like that if you work with Venomous.
Speaker: There's a bunch of them out there you know that do the sponsorship stuff. I get it because you're showing off their product with what they're meant to be used for.
Speaker: Chewy is just a big middle person corporation like Amazon is that they're making their big bucks off of it. Oh, we're going to throw a big name in here.
Speaker: Oh, since he's using it, we're going to draw more people than this instead of staying small businesses. The Ma and Paul stuff. Right. Yeah, here. I got, let me see if I can find that article I just read today.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Have we mentioned, Wally Brother, have we mentioned tonight yet the Zoo Med products? We've talked to, like like I said, I got a couple of the Terrarians that are Zoo Med, but you can talk about them. Go ahead while looking this up, bud.
Speaker: Honestly, I had a decent experience with them. I used their their tank there. I forgot what size it was, but i had the doors that opened up from the from the front. Yep, I've got a couple of those.
Speaker: I like them, man. I like them. They're a lot you more easier to handle and a lot more easier to organize the tank than the overhead ones where you have to train yourself just to access the thing.
Speaker: Yeah, Dubai.com, which is also Morph Market's owner, everything else, and he sells his own custom cages. It's a nice little long read, but I'm going read to it.
Speaker: Our hobby is at risk. Big corporations don't enter hobbies to support them. They enter to control them. We've watched what happens when companies like Amazon, Chewy, PetSmart, and Petco move into niche communities.
Speaker: Small businesses are getting squeezed out. Big companies often look cheaper at first. Whoops.
Speaker: Because they can sell at or below the cost of what it actually, the you know, you're getting your supplies from. I get it. But then the thing is, is they're closing your Maul and Paul local shops.
Speaker: Prices, that once they get get what they want, prices will go through the roof. Quality goes down of everything. um The hobby exists. This is the ending of it.
Speaker: The hobby exists because of breeders, independent reptile businesses, passionate hobbyists actually care about the animals and the community. And Dubai sits here, and I agree 100% with him. We will always stand with him.
Speaker: Says support reptile breeders, independent reptile businesses, support the hobby before it's by companies that was never built by, which is the truth. The reptile hobby was not built on a corporation.
Speaker: No. I mean, hell, it goes right back to what it basically it literally is. It's nature. How do we get nature with starting corporate? It's our way of where we can't have nature in the wild.
Speaker: I mean, I get it. It's kind of two-sided thing. But at the same time, we get to keep something that we don't would never get a chance to spend the money to go, like we were talking earlier, go to Australia and see the bearded dragons.
Speaker: Or the frilled dragons in Australia because it costs so much to go over to do that shit. When we can do it right here in our own home. And then then educate people about what you know about them or do more research to teach.
Speaker: um there was actually something that uh going back to when i was helping my uncle with uh those terrariums there was a goal with that in mind so there is a breed of tree frog here in new york that is and it's it's endangered you know you really don't see it much yeah what's that brother i was saying what kind were they so that's what i'm seeing now is the the name here um
Speaker: I think they were the Peepers.
Speaker: The thing is, though, you don't you don't see them anymore. You don't see them at all. Now, back even a little less than 10 years ago, yeah, right around 10 years ago,
Speaker: um I saw them all over the place. Sure, they weren't You know, even you can see if their numbers were dundling down, but you still saw them.
Speaker: So, yeah. But,
Speaker: yeah, I mean, and and that's the thing. Uh-oh. Johnny's got something to share. But, yeah, it's like he's talking with the endangered. Some of them you ain't even ever going to be, and a lot of these breeders out here are breeding these animals, and they're getting, for conservation, are actually getting returned.
Speaker: back to the wild. So, I mean, it's cool what a bunch bunch of them are doing and then there's others that aren't doing that. mean But the ones I follow and everything, a lot of them are doing, trying to help conserve what's not there or they're limited to in the wild and they're reproducing.
Speaker: I mean, it's just one of those deals.
Speaker: Yeah, it it's just sad. but the way It's like any any community, though. I mean, back to the where we were at and everything else. that It's the uneducated people that get irritated with the stuff and everything else. i mean And it sucks.
Speaker: Because people like me get punished.
Speaker: and yeah You're good. But yeah, that what I was saying is A lot of people, the breeders, I was telling everybody, like the breeders, some of them do it for conservation because they're so minimal in the wild and stuff that they do them and they return them to the wild, which is cool as hell.
Speaker: So that is exactly what I was going to talk about before I walked away. um this this species of tree frog here uh here in new york i didn't even know new york had tree frogs first up we got one species of them that is it's endangered like you but you barely ever see it so it up and and so it's up in the northern part by the border and where the woods and up by the wooded areas of northern new york then yes and it gets so specific that it goes by county as well
Speaker: Really? Yes. Yes. um Well, they were the Spring Peepers. Oh, okay. I've heard of those.
Speaker: Yeah. So you guys were you guys were raising those up and releasing them? Yes, because when we... Around that time, and still kind of so they were on the... um I believe it was the endangered list.
Speaker: Not the threatened part, but the endangered part of it. So basically almost to extinction. Yes. Damn. When my uncle started teaching me about building like actual active ecosystem ecosystems inside terrariums, the things that we find out in the wild, and made sure they're sterile and all that stuff that you know nothing got sick.
Speaker: um That was one of the goals that we commonly had in mind was to at least around the era that we lived, bring this species back a little bit.
Speaker: That's cool. Yeah. and And you see that in a lot of the communities, if you look it up, there's a lot of them out there that do that stuff in certain States and everything. Um, I've seen it through some of them. Um, Kevin McCurley there in New Hampshire, and he's also been helping do stuff.
Speaker: Um, Barczyk did a bunch of that stuff there for a while before his timely passing, which sad part was was yesterday was his two-year anniversary of his passing, unfortunately.
Speaker: my God. It's already been two years, so.
Speaker: Whoa. and and And Dingo was doing that stuff out out in South Africa with what he was doing before he passed away. He was big conservative and stuff on that.
Speaker: so a It's one of the things that I really feel a passion about if I could ever get back into reptiles again. Reptiles in the Caribbean.
Speaker: It's just, I mean, it it's there. You got the drive for it, man. It's just when you're when the time's right, like you said, for yourself to do that.
Speaker: So you Right now in the space where I'm at, sadly, i don't have the space nor the care resources to do so right now. Right. But I can't wait till I do again.
Speaker: used to have a hell of a passion for it.
Speaker: And I still do. I love it. Yes, sir.
Speaker: But yeah, other go than that, man, I really don't, unfortunately, I don't have anything else really to talk about tonight on that. this side of this. I need to start doing some more homework between now and next week and bring, share some information and stuff.
Speaker: Yeah. Start looking things up. um But yeah, I just wanted to share what, what knowledge I have now going on and I found out and appreciate you sharing what you, you know, your side of things. forwards Happy to.
Speaker: So, With that, everybody, thank you for tuning in to the Chatterbox tonight and stuff. um I know we didn't have very much stuff to talk about animal-wise, but mostly talking about the laws and what's been going on. It needs to be spread out there. um They're taking not only our rights, the animals' rights away. i mean, it's just the office it's the same thing as us losing our rights for certain things.
Speaker: yeah Everybody, ARC, They are United Reptile Keepers. They fight for our rights to keep our animals. maybe the being They've been fighting for the rights to keep your cats, dogs, and mammals now too, just besides reptiles because it's getting this bad. so yeah they've kind of They've kind of expanded their horizon. but yeah Johnny, once again, thank you once again for co-hosting tonight. Everybody, thank you for tuning in. Sunday night,
Speaker: sunday night I'm actually Sunday and Monday this coming week. I got back-to-back Speedway stories. I have a guest that previously was on the show.
Speaker: um We Broke Garage, my buddy Corey Butcher and his son Hunter will be on Sunday night at 6 o'clock for a special Speedway stories. um Hunter's going to talk about his S10 build and Corey's going to talk about their plans and stuff for their Dragon Drive events.
Speaker: Sunday night. So everybody tune in then for a special Speedway stories. And then we're back to the regular 8 o'clock show on Monday night. I have Tyler Mead with me and Johnny on the show talking about the rough truck racing and his racing career, what got him started.
Speaker: armsed And if anybody knows any other guests that wants to come up and talk about their animals or or any motorsports stuff with us, Hit me or Johnny up in Messenger or whatever if you got us.
Speaker: I'm a more than glad to have you guys. um I can work around schedules if we have to. We can switch things around if we need to. to If a Monday or something doesn't work or a Thursday, just let me know or let Johnny know.
Speaker: I'd to have you guys there. Whatever details get, I can stay you right over Facebook. Yep, let me know. um Once again, like i said, thank you all for tuning in for Cold Blind Conversation tonight. Me and Johnny will see you guys Sunday night at 6 o'clock for a special Speedway Stories.
Speaker: You guys all have a good night. We'll talk to you later. Bye.
